Princess Principal

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>Dorothy episode next
It's time for you memers who say she's only good for her rack to eat your words.

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>>160868032

>>160868032
>princess in charge of making a new thread

It's pretty obvious that Princess is nice and caring with the entire team, winning their hearts. We don't see it because it happens off-screen, during their day-to-day interactions (Chise's commentary about Princess' bad jokes), with the on-screen time focusing on the definitive moments (Princess protecting Beatrice from bullies or jumping into the ship).

Why so many of you can't read between lines? Is it an american thing?

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>>160868032
Threadly reminder that Chise killed her father for stupid reasons.

>>160868032
Beato is so short!

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Reminder that Beato is for cuddling and protecting.

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Chise looks like a shiba inu

>>160868098
>episode airs
>it confirms Dorothy is only good for her rack

>>160868132
>We don't see it because it happens off-screen
It shouldn't happen off-screen unless it's irrelevant. That's just shit writing.

>>160868132
You can't really appreciate things that you don't see. Off-screen things are even worse than exposition dumps.

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Who's got the biggest forehead? At first glance you would think Chise but Dorothy's is surprisingly big.

>>160867515

Too bad the Smartphone game never be outside of japan

>>160868322
Not hard to play smartphone games from Japan at all if you know what you are doing.

>>160868234
The pacing of the show so far has been good. I'd rather not they sit down and force-feed us scenes to let us know the Princess is someone they find agreeable.
What we've gotten so far has been sufficient and there will be more to come once these first few character arcs are done.

>>160868183
It wasn't a stupid reason.
Her father betrayed their clan and started carrying political assassinations to the clan's heir was bound by duty to stop him.
Yes, it was cruel given how they were father and daughter but that's how law works. It would be the same if, for example, in modern times a counter-terrorism officer had to take down a terrorism cell leaded by his biological father; he has to fullfill his duty consanguinity or not.

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which girls have uncut dicks and whose have mutilated dicks?

>>160868219
It happens in literally every episode.

>>160868404
They are all uncut.

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>>160868404
None of them have any dicks, stop it

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VOTE VOTE VOTE !!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/13650982/r

>>160868098
Dorothy is great; it's just that Ange and Chise are bordeline broken.
Basically the same "Saiyans + Krillin" situation

>>160861384

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>>160868446
Sure, whatever you say.

>>160868234
One of the points for skipping cases is so they can write stuff off via off-screen due to the time constraints

>>160868446
Beato could mod herself a dick though.
It's the (pseudo-)Victorian era, vibrators were popular as ways to treat "hysteria."

>>160868322
That's relatively normal anon.

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Get in losers, we're going spying

>>160868360
>I'd rather not they sit down and force-feed us scenes to let us know the Princess is someone they find agreeable.
It depends on what they're going for. If the girls are supposed to care about Princess and feel some loyalty toward her, then I think they definitely should have shown that stuff and properly build their bonds.

>>160868512
If it's irrelevant, sure. Otherwise it's just shit writing.

>>160868395
Stop arguing with that autistic fuck. He is trying to bait people into the same argument he spent hours going round in circles again earlier.

>>160868552
Needs to be higher resolution and have a >Cockona tongue.

>>160868032

Thought I was just remembering wrong but... did anyone notice that the "Princess Principal" title card in the OP has that cavorite green glow all over it now? Does it mean anything?

>>160868559
>why does Homura like Madoka so much?

>>160868517
she need one in the ass then

>>160868594
They just gave the logo new fancy animation. That's all.

>>160868587
I don't think so. If it is some important significant event that is only going to happens once, sure it is best that is depicted but things like if someone likes someone or not you can easily depict through implications in their regular interactions and references to things they have done off screen without necessarily being "shit writing". What isn't great would be if something like that was pulled out as a last minute motivation rather than already being made clear through implications and references to off screen events only to have a character suddenly reference them at a convenient time as if we were supposed to know all along.

>>160868614
That was left for episode 11 because Homu's backstory couldn't be revealed earlier. Princess bonding with the team could happen all the time. I'm actually pretty surprised all we got in that respect were a few little moments in episode 4.

>>160868234
>>160868255
You are ignoring the rest of his sentence. I guess some people really need to see everything to understand what is happening.

Will Princess Principal eventually be remembered as one of the all time great episodic anime, at which point /a/ will turn on it because it's too popular? Because it deserves it.

>>160868810
It will be remembered as the Flip Flappers of our generation.

>>160868810
It'll be forgotten by next season. You'll see CHISE.WEBM for years to come though.

>>160868810
Probably not but this episode seems to have done wonders for its popularity in Japan at least.

>>160868832
Flip Flappers is the Flip Flappers of our generation.

>>160868810
91 days of the season.

>>160868786
It's not enough if they just tell you this character cares about that character. They have to make you feel it. That's why it's important to build their bonds, on-screen.

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>>160868849
>It'll be forgotten by next season.
People love saying this about everything but it's wrong quite often.

>>160868810
Not really, it's a solid 8/10, nothing more.

>>160868810
It will have the occasional thread that will never come close to the bump limit.

>>160868872
I don't think thats true at all for example if characters are introduced as friends or family you aren't going to be suprised or think it has come out of nowhere or is un-earned if they care about each other. You would be more surprised if they didn't. Same is the case with this show, given the interactions we have seen depicted it would be more surprising if none of the girls cared about each other at all than cared about each other.

>>160868869
>91 Days
I miss it so much

>>160868872
>Princess protecting Beatrice from bullies or jumping into the ship
You just want the full scene and explained for you.

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Also, it's not like the entire team is already pledging their lives to Princess and waiting for the chance to take a bullet for her.
Ange and Beatrice are the only ones who act like that and that's due to having a story with her coming from years back.
Dorothy is just naive and wants to believe that they have a reliable team member. Chise is ambivalent; she's intrigued at Princess' kindness but that's it.

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>>160868916
I bet you don't even know what this show is.

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I hope Princess Principal gets something like this.

>>160868995
We're talking about caring enough to feel loyalty and potentially betray your own faction. Other than Ange and Beato, I don't feel like Chise and Dorothy care about her that extent at all. Chise feeling conflicted in episode 4 was already kind of jarring and was only somewhat justified by the idea that she's really soft and pure at heart.

I just want a doujin where the entire team got captured and interrogated with gangbang desu

>>160868916
Not really, you'll see reaction images or gifs/webms but you'll be soon met with "What anime is this"
"Whos this"

And very rare discussion threads that will barely reach 100 posts

t. some retard that has been here for 11 years

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>>160869059
Surely no one could forget this little angel

>>160869059
Matoi, what do I win?

>Flip Flappers
>Princess Principal
what's next?

>>160869197
Dumb and Dumber

>>160869044
>>explained for you
I don't want explanations, at all. I actually kinda hated they had Chise explaing that she likes Princess in episode 4 instead of actually showing it.

>>160869197
PriPri is better than FliFla. They should continue to do darker series with cute girls as the main cast.

>>160869197
Count Caramel

>>160868869
91 days had a solid overarching plot but mediocre action. This has good action but a nonexistent overarching plot. They're similar in that they're good western-setting original anime though.

If this starts having exciting plot developments then it could be AOTS, but right now it's borderline episodic.

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>>160869197
Why do anons think this show is somehow related to Flip Flappers just because it has 3hz working on it? You know that was an Ishiyama thing, right? You know Okouchi is directing PriPri, right? There is nothing to compare the two shows.

>>160869233
>PriPri is better than FliFla.
There are people who unironically believe this. Thank God the Eclipse is coming for us all.

>>160869197
I don't know but it will probably involve the best girl (childhood friend) getting replaced by some yuppie upstart who secretly is even more of a childhood friend.

>>160869143
>feel loyalty and potentially betray your own faction
>Chise feeling conflicted
I think you think they are trying to portray a level of relationship they haven't. The show never implies that she would betray the Japanese I don't think. It just shows that Chise thinks the Princess is kind and interesting in episode 4. In Case 13 it even has Chise imply she would definitely betray the girls if need be during the scene with Dorothy.

>>160869306
It's the same logic to relating all kyoani shows.

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I feel like next episode is going to be full of Doro angst; there is no way her father isn't a colossal asshole.

>>160869305
91 Days felt like it was mafia story told by Japanese guys. I can only imagine Japanese people get a similar feeling watching schlock like The Last Samurai. It was embarrassing to watch really.

>>160869335
>I think you think they are trying to portray a level of relationship they haven't
No, I just meant if something like that is gonna happen at some point, they should start doing the heavylifting now.

>>160869305
>nonexistent overarching plot
>borderline episodic
Unable to follow a plot because it is out order, check. Uses episodic as if it were a derogatory term, check. Brainlet detected.

>>160869379
Her father teaches her how to seduce men

>>160869306
>There are people who unironically believe this.
Indeed, in 5 episodes PriPri has managed to establish a more interesting setting, characters, and plot than FliFla ever did. I'm sorry I find this more interesting than hearing Papika repeat Cocona's name over and over again. And I'm not the one who started the comparisons.

>>160869197
Yuru Yuri

>>160869197
Shit Sales, might as well call it what will happen

>>160869409
>Unable to follow a plot because it is out order
To be fair, the plot hasn't really started rolling yet. There are some hints here in there, suggesting a possible directory the show could take, but that's all.

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>>160869316
ANGERY

>>160869420
If her father turned out to be a trap this'll be a 15/10 episode

>>160869433
PriPri is good solid entertainment. Flip Flappers was art with ambitions far above what it managed to achieve.

>>160869435
love live?

>>160869471
*direction

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>>160869484
>Flip Flappers was art

>>160869306
>There are people who unironically believe this.
They're right, you know. Maybe if Flip Floppers didn't kill itself at the end, it wouldn't be the case, but it did, so it is.

>>160869471
The plot has gone from there being no team to there being a fully established team with multiple trained recruits that has gained experience in spying and brought a princess from the opposite side into the fold who may or may not be suspected by her evil uncle who wants to shift her out of the picture for political power. It definitely has been rolling.

>>160869409
Out of order doesn't matter, the relationship between the characters is completely unchanged from their introduction to any other part of the story. If anything, it being out of order makes it even worse because it technically spoiled that the group will get dick for development for many more episodes. If there's a plot how exactly has Dorothy grown as a character over the last 5 episodes?

>Uses episodic as if it were a derogatory term
When's the last time a single-cour episodic anime was good?

>>160869197
Come on, loli skateboard club

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>>160869374
>It's the same logic to relating all kyoani shows.
Two wrongs a right don't make, anon.

>>160869433
Shit, is this thread already in bait overload? Flip Flappers was great episodic anime. It was a flawed little show that had the potential for true greatness. PriPri is entertaining and especially notable for the fact that Okouchi hasn't lost the plot yet, but that is about it. If you think this has the charm or the personality of FLFL then you need to seek counselling, anon, i really can't do much for you here.

>>160869552
That's setup, not actual plot.

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The throne or you die a virgin, Charlotte. It's up to you.

>>160869306
>Directing
Try thoughts.

>>160869379
>>160869420
She was in an orphanage with Ange, so maybe at around 10 years old she was separated from him and believes he died.

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>>160869140
Let me fix the perspective of those images for you.

Not this shit again

>>160869562
Hina Logi is pretty good.

>>160869591
>things happening in the show are not the actual plot
Are you retarded?

>>160869494
Why is Beato normal height there?

>>160869635
I'm wondering the same thing about you.

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>>160869592
>or you die a virgin, Charlotte.
About that.

>>160869637
She's hovering on her rocket feet

>>160869652
Describe to me the difference between "setup" and "plot" without sounding retarded because as far as I can see currently your only definition is "setup is plot that happens before the plot happens and the plot happens when the setup finishes".

>>160869666
Dumb crackposter.

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>>160869587
>someone doesn't like 13 episodes of a dog screaming Cocona
>BAIT OVERLOAD MUCH?

Will there be episode as good as episode 2 again

>>160869587
>Anything I don't agree with is bait
Whatever you say. I just don't think FLFL's "charm" and "personality" worked out for it in the end. Maybe if they cut down on all the flashy shit and focused on writing a decent story it could have been as good as you say.

Any good porn yet?

>>160869751
DON"T lewd PriPris.

>>160869722
Well Episode 5 was quite easily the best in the show so far blows everything else out of the water.

>>160869704
As of now, the episodes have an episodic plot and on the side they're setting up the overarching plot. They're setting it up. It won't start rolling until it's brought to the forefront.

>>160869751
No but there's a really cute Beato lewd.

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>>160869705
You know you like it.

>>160869719
Explain how you like more 5 episodes of a dog screaming Princess.

>>160869803
Firstly, Chise didn't scream Princess once so far.

>>160869306
They're from sales threads and bring over the shitposting from the KyoAni and Dogakobo they watch every season.

>>160869800
No, too much crack is cancer.

>>160869781
I honestly don't care about the magic action shit desu , just full episode about espionage and keikakus

>>160869822
What is Beato?

>>160869793
post plz

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>>160869666
Beato's just a head, she's a full body cydork. Enjoy your dildo.

>>160869786
Yeah the only explanation I can come up with here is you are just getting confused by the fact they are out of order the "overarching" plot has been in every single episode so far and moved forward by each one. I don't know why you think putting the team together, getting the Princess on Control's side and so on is "setup" and not part of an actual story?

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>>160869719
Nice "argument", anon. Yes, no bait there at all.

>>160869522
>>160869733
>this meme again
Yeah, FLFL lost the plot at the end, I completely agree. But it still managed to be visually exciting and had a fresh direction. It dared give you something different yet anons still overplay how terrible the last episodes were just to shitpost about it and bait (You)s from people who've seen enough anime to understand why FLFL was special. They conveniently ignore that it was a directorial debut from a rookie and disregard all the aspects that made it special just to desingenously focus on a couple of bad episodes (that still had snippets of greatness, mind you).

You imbeciles makes me root for PriPri to fail especially because Okouchi is directing this. FLFL had no reason to be as innovative as it was being an untested idea and all yet when it worked it was a spectacle.

>>160869634
Is it necessary to watch Luck & Logic before watching Hina Logi?

>>160869666
This meme pairing needs to die already

>>160869909
>is "setup" and not part of an actual story?
It is part of the story. But don't confuse story with plot. They're not the same thing. You could actually have a story without plot.

>>160869943
No.

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>>160869863
A yuri kuma.

>>160869943
Not at all. Actually L&L sucks so you shouldn't watch it either way.

>>160869930
People are just annoyed at you for shitting over Princess Principal using Flip Flappers as a weapon out of a misguided attempt to make said people watch / praise Flip Flappers.

This is the kind of shit you usually see on /v/.

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When does she show up?

>>160869883

>>160868708

>>160869969
Explain the difference clearly and then explain why those things aren't part of the plot but are part of the story.

>>160870060
Read a book, anon.

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>>160870010
A cute one. A best one. Congrats.

>>160870044
Beauty Beato, thanks

>>160870032
Are you capable of following a thread, anon, or do you need help? People come to these threads to compare Princess Principal to Flip Flappers like complete and utter newfags and when someone points that out, they're shitting on PriPri? What the actual fuck?

I very much like this show, but the newfaggotry in these threads is showing.

>>160869930
Can you stop saying he is directing? I agree with you on Flip Flappers being special but it's kind of cringe inducing.

>>160869930
Whenever people use FLFL my brain wants to read it as FLCL

>>160870145
both are shit

>>160870090
I'll take that as your admission that there is no difference then. Unless you are actually going to explain your reasoning this is the end of the conversation.

>>160870042
Princess already filled the lolicon quota.

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>>160869980
Princess keeps reminding me of pic related.

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>>160869930
>special
So special that nobody gives a shit about it anymore because of how hard it crash landed.

>>160870160
>I'll take that as your admission that there is no difference then
If that helps you sleep at night, be my guest. You're wrong though.

>>160869140
That looks very nice, I had never seen it before.
I wish there had been more quality Yayaka artwork.

So long lost friend/glasses is going to betray Dorothy right?

Dorothy isn't in on her plan right?

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>>160870197
You should really get the dictionary updated to your correct definition then.

>>160870251
>Dorothy isn't in on her plan right?
She can be the bridesmaid.

>>160869930
Flip Flappers was an experience.
Watching it week by week was the best way to go.
At its best it was absolutely fantastic, a story that excited the imagination and promised something greater than anything we could expect. It felt magical and confusing and interesting and exciting.
It was the wonder of never knowing what the next episode would deliver or how it would deliver it.
Peak Flip Flappers came down to the individual episodes at the time they aired.
But the last part of the series didn't live up to the same senses of adventure and mystery the show had set up for itself.
I'd say up to episode 8 if you were watching it back then it would have looked like a 100/100 once in a decade experience.

The rest of the show is still great. It ties the plot, it follows up with many of its symbolisms and themes, it gives itself a proper conclusion, it still has some really cool and over the top unexpected twists.
But it just doesn't have the same sense of wonder that it had in its prime.
The ending needed to be a little bit more Mawaru no Penguindrum and less realistic.

>>160870304
I went to film school and work as editor, anon. You don't even know how to interpret what you're reading there.

Anyway, believe what you want. Or accept that you're an uneducated brainlet and at least read a book on the subject. You may learn a few things.

>>160870197
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/07/martin-scorsese-difference-between-story-plot

"He illustrated the difference famously: "The king died and then the queen died is a story. ... Perhaps, in film, a plot could be said to be the sequence of (causally related) events that make up the narrative. The plot it what happens. The story in a movie, on the other hand, is why it happens, and how."

Plot is a sequence of events tied together which may or may not be presented in order. Story is what explains/guides the happenings.

>>160870475
It is so obvious to you that you are unable to explain why the very important events we have seen take place so far are not part of the plot right? Maybe you should have taken a proper degree.

>>160870527
Is Princess Principal kino?

>>160870304
Dictionaries tend to not have the fine details and easily make the mistake of lumping everything together. And at the root of English is actually just a war of usage and accepted terminology. So it is actually entirely possible to have two different definitions or for people to not even consider your usage proper or for a word to be valid.

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>>160870193
Nice gas-lighting, anon. Not everyone is afflicted with your particular brand of shit taste. If you think that something has to have threads going on 24/7 to be "good", then please go back to your embarrassing Fate circlejerks.

>>160870402
Yeah, I completely agree. And the threads were amazing too. The ending needed that extra little flap to cement the show as a timeless classic.

>>160870551
>wants me to spoon feed him
Are you new here or something?

Cock_ ona

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Ange-shama, maito!

>>160870628
Pathetic. The only reason people resort to this kind of shit like you are now is when they can't make a decent argument to come back with and are stuck in that mentality where they think getting the last reply somehow makes them right.

>>160870527
>Plot is a sequence of events tied together
This is kinda true. But there's a very specific kind of relationship between the events of a plot. That's why it's possible to have story without a plot. Just having events on screen doesn't mean there's a plot.

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I'd rather not pay for pixiv premium just to look at some art. Can anyone provide?

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>>160870626
>If you think that something has to have threads going on 24/7 to be "good"
Stop pulling things out of your ass. It's unpleasant.

>the show is bad because the entire last third was a trainwreck in every level, from plot all the way to the animation
>S-S-SHIT TASTE
Yeah okay. Please go back to your embarrassing FF circlejerk.

>>160870583
Maybe. Hard to tell midway through. I do like what I seen so far as it mixes enough animation quality action with story, characters, non-linear but plenty of world building an plot lines make sense. Also by the end you can also watch it in chronological order which is currently impossible.

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>>160870701
>Update

Well, I wanted to talk about PriPri but it seems like it will not be possible.
Later. Will join when the thread is a PriPri thread, not a Flip Flappers one.

>>160870678
You're the one trying to argue about something you don't even know. That's why you're po support your point. You're pathetic.

>>160870789
opps
*posting whatever you find that might support your point

>>160868810
Sorry, I remember it for moralfag shitposter now.

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>>160870770
Many thanks, buddy boy

>>160870701
just browse the pages you lazy fuck, it only has 5 so far

in the time it took you to make that screencap and make that post you could have browsed those pages

>>160870551
Under many film maker's definitions the events we are are most certainly part of the plot. Just because it is presented in a non-linear fashion doesn't mean there isn't logical causality (plot) if you pay attention to the time frame.

>>160870699
Having events which cannot be tied together no matter what means you really have no plot. It is generally a bad idea and to make a good story with no plot is extremely difficult. Princess principle clearly has all the events so far tied together so it most certainly has plot.

>>160870789
But anon with your vastly superior knowledge it should be easy for you to prove me wrong with one post and demonstrate why the important events we have seen so far are not part of the shows plot.

But no you'd much rather argue about why you shouldn't prove yourself right and win the actual argument we were having than win it? Bullshit friend.

You could have ended this and won with much less effort about ten posts back if you were capable.

>>160870848
Oh woops, did not know it worked that way, Beato IQ. Thanks for the tip

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>>160870703
You assert that "nobody cares cares about Flip Flappers", so when someone points out that it is not about popularity it's about being appreciative of the things that constitute good anime, you then proceed to move the goalposts.

So yeah, anon. You're either a troll, a creature that /a/ has little sympathy for, or absolutely new to anime and have shit taste. Pick your poison.

Enjoy your last (You), it'll be the last bit of dopamine rush you'll get from me.

>>160870857
>Having events which cannot be tied together no matter what means you really have no plot.
No, even if there are tied together, it still doesn't mean there's a plot. There are at least two basic requisites for a plot, actually. And it's not hard to have a story without a plot. Lots of so called slice of life shows are pretty much that. They have a story with a bunch of events and such. But the story doesn't fulfill the two requisites I mentioned so they don't really have a plot.

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>>160869494

and then Beato woke up

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>>160870703
>>160870926
Just fuck already.

>>160871038
> Lots of so called slice of life shows are pretty much that
That is false though, almost every episodic show has a plot within that episode.

>>160871142
Actually, in most cases is only story without an actual plot.

>>160871175
Explain why they don't have a plot. Define plot.

>>160870193
Princess almost looks like she has horns and fangs with her hair styled that way.

>>160871141
WHY IS ANGE SO GOD DAMN HANDSOME JESUS I'M TURNING GAY

>>160868810
It's mostly going to depend on the ending.

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Take her hand.

>>160871227
But anon, you can't be gay if you like girls.

>>160871299
ok

>>160871141
BEATRICE IS CUTE

CUTE!

>>160871306
>it's not gay if they are both girls
Anon.

>>160871038
Slice of life shows which use reset buttons at the end of every episode can be stated to have no plot between episodes. But if there is even a slight link between each and an overarching story that uses multiple episodes over time then you have a plot. It is very hard to have absolutely no plot. To do that within an episode you would have to have no causal continuity even before the reset. People would just randomly show up and disappear and every cut would be something random with no coherence for the entire episode. That would be a true plotless show with absolutely no causality. It is generally a bad idea. Even reset button shows still have plot within an episode or between resets should one occur within an episode. Not to mention sometimes causality can be maintained through resets under a writer's desertion which would for the plot (small details, deaths, changes, ...) persist through resets.

It is very hard to write a story with absolutely no plot. Many slice of life shows do have some overall plot line it is just hyper extended and ignored to pad out their often indeterminate runs. Each individual episode has a plot in itself and if you can tie multiple episodes together then it too has a overarching plot. It is basically the decision to go for pure episodic where there is a plot for each episode but no overall plot, mini-arcs which are isolated in plot but maintain consistency through a few episodes, or overarching plots which can use episodic/mini-arc/long arc/non-linear episodes to tell an overall plot. You only lack plot when your sequence of events be it between or within an episode lack causality. Again for a slice of life show with reset buttons to have no plot they would have to reset the events every moment so nothing ever links up even on each cut. This is extremely difficult to make into a good story as you must not ever link events together in any logical manner. Princess principal clearly is linking their non-linearly plot.

>>160871299
No. I don't want to die.

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Ange-san, don't look!

>>160871299
Will she shake my penis instead?

That's the custom in my land

>>160871142
But on this case you know that there's one main plot different from the episodic plots right?

>>160871438
I love Beato's panic flustered suffering faces almost as much as I love her comfy warm happy faces.

>>160871467
We were talking about SoL shows not Princess Principal. Of course Princess Principal has a plot. It has been carried through every episode and every episode has moved the overall plot along as well as having its own self contained plots.

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>>160871438
I've been ordered to look.

>>160871479
Beato is literally never happy, she is a robot who doesn't feel emotions. Pieces of equipment like her don't have human rights and can't be loved.

>>160871370
>To do that within an episode you would have to have no causal continuity even before the reset
You need more than a causal relationship to have an actual plot. That's just half of the trick.

Can beato beat chise?

>>160871527
>Pieces of equipment like her don't have human rights and can't be loved.
Don't you talk to me or my fleshlight ever again.

>>160871581
Yes, Beato is literally invincible, she'd tire Chise out eventually and shoot her little skull.

>>160871528
So what else do you need?

>>160869722
The time has past, the show turned out to be a spy-themed action show. The most you can hope for is a bunch of plots and betrayals at the very end.

>>160868552
>nobody remembers tsuritama

>>160871528
Wrong. Plot doesn't imply you have any story to tell it is just the sequence of causally linked events. (It also doesn't need to be presented in order to have a plot). Princess principal clearly is out of order chronologically but does not use resets between time frames and changes stick.

I'm using martin scorsese's interpretation of the difference between plot/story.
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/07/martin-scorsese-difference-between-story-plot

Plot is just a orderable sequence of events (non-linear presentation doesn't preclude plot). Having no plot requires you have no way to order what is happening. For purely episodic shows this means there is absolutely no connection between episodes so they can be ordered in any way you want so no inter-episode plot. Princess Principal clearly has a timeline that is just presented out of order.

Fuck Jubei for making Chise cry.

>>160871775
>Wrong
No, but believe what you want.

>>160871822
Chise made Chise cry.

>>160871826
I already stated in English it is just a fight of how many people think something means a certain way so most certainly there is room for people to disagree. It is how new words, phrases get accepted or definitions shift over time. So most certainly I'll believe what I want just as you are.

>>160871775
Generally when /a/ talks about plot it means more than just whatever's going on but something like an interesting plot that stands out as one of the focuses of the show.

>>160871822
Jubei did nothing wrong

>>160871822
She brought it on herself, anon. You need to be a special kind of owiefag not to see it.

>>160871941
Anon he has been to film school and works as an editor. He definitely knows better than Martin Scorsese.

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>>160869379
This
>>160869420
Probably for his own benefit but abandons her at some point. Predicting some real big tragic back story to rival her voluptuous chest.

>>160871944
I dunno I'd take a recognised film maker's opinion over "/a/" (your) opinion on definitions.

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Post yfw Princess was actually a triple agent for the kingdom, commonwealth and for her own group whose also pretty good with the revolver and torture techniques

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>>160872273
She's a quadruple agent. She is officially a student in the Kingdom, but a spy for the Commonwealth, but is loyal to the Princess who is against both and is also a agent of the Black Lizard Planet

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>>160869637
just4u

>>160872402
And by she I obviously mean Ange

>>160872473
Perfect. Now I can fap to this

>>160872473
>Dorothy and Chise hear the same voice moaning down the hall 3 times

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>>160872273
>all according to the Dead Sea Scrolls
I'm actually expecting hime to octuple cross everyone.

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So how you rank the last episode? The fighting were pretty good and the flow animation made them feel really immersive rivaling the action scenes from episode 1 and Beako episode. The storytelling also had a steady pace and didn't feel rushed. Overall a solid 9/10 and probably my second favourite episode.
Also Chose best girl.

>>160872273
(You)'re pretty good

>>160872619
7/10 boring action shit

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I finally got someone else around me to watch PriPri but forgot to save those episode summaries in the older threads. Can someone upload them?

>>160871994
Funny. But you know, when a seasoned filmmaker talks about this stuff, they assume whoever they talk to knows this shit as well, so you're not gonna get a clear answer from legends like Scorsese.

As for the other thing that makes a plot besides a causal relationship, it's a conflict. It doesn't matter if it's external or internal, if it's totally in your face or so subtle you barely can see it, but it has to be there and your chain of causally related events have to build around it. And as a side note, a conflict is not the same thing as a conflicting situation. The latter is something trivial like chasing down your dog or struggling to cook something. The kind of stuff you see in a SOL anime, which is why most of those don't have a plot. An actual conflict is something more fundamental, like struggling to overcome a character flow, or the conflict between different world views. That kind of stuff.

As for PriPri, right now the obvious conflict is the conflict between Commonwealth and the Monarchy, which represent two different world views. That said, I don't think that's the show's main conflict. I think it's something related to the way both the Commonwealth and the Kingdom go about doing things and how the Princess is different to them. I'm not sure though, as the main plot hasn't started rolling yet. It's sort of on hold until the show is done with all the introductory stuff.

>>160872695
Use the archive and never ask again

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>>160872619
>Overall a solid 9/10
Saint McCain of Tumorous Brains... This is why we never use out of 10s, this is just retarded.

>>160872619
Episode 1 and 5 are theater quality. I am quite impressed with this show so far.

>>160872619
10/10
Literally nothing could have been done better in practical terms. Hypothetically yes but it'd just end being as enjoyable as it already was.

>>160872723
Uh he gives an interview about this very question so you get an answer. It is pretty clear if you can read. Your just lumping everything together plot/conflict/story which is a bad idea.

What your mixing up is what makes a up a film. Story, conflict, plot, characters are all typical ingredients. Omitting them is generally a bad or impossible task. A pool of water video could easily lack story, conflict, characters, but still has a plot (causality, flow of time). But the work would be utterly boring and terrible.

The current episodes are clearly going to maintain causality with future episodes (after sorting by case number) so it all forms part of the over arching plot. It is also possible to have subplots which is what your getting stuck up on here and the non-linear presentation is throwing you off it seems.

Charlotte should be beaten up for being a disgusting slut not worthy of being called a princess.

>>160872989
Anon, I gave you the answer you wanted. Take it as you will. I don't really care what you think anyway.

>>160872619
I'd give it a great out of 10.

>>160872273
Nah, Princess will be Liquid Lizard.
>SIIIISTERRR!

>>160872679
This but unsarcastically.

>>160873026
First I'm not the same anon as that anon. Second saying you don't care about what I think doesn't mean your the only one reading this thread so you are really saying a meaningless statement.

I guess to spoon feed you, it doesn't matter if you care or not.

>>160873096
>First I'm not the same anon as that anon
Yeah, sure.

Why is Beato so abuseable?
I just want to whisper something very mean in her ear and watch her cry.

>>160872619
One of the weakest episodes so far. Great action, great animation but I didn't care for what was happening at all thanks to the poor writing. Chise can go suck a bag of dicks.

>>160873093
How can a 7/10 be "boring action shit"? It's a literal meme score. You might as well use a scale that is actually meaningful like out of 4 scores.

>>160872679
Well usually I prefer a good storytelling compared to action but this series does it so well and doesn't abuse it. It also has a unique charm and fresh feel to it.
>>160872987
Well yes considering the allocated time this arc was written very well and the characters were very faithful to their personality (though the series overall has a good consistency). A few parts of the episode did felt a bit rough like the introduction to the mission but it was still a great episode.

>>160873333
Leave it to 3hz to make even rotoscoping look decent.

>>160873168
Indeed. No one except through careful network analysis can find out who exactly is posting what. The point still stands that saying you don't care what others think is meaningless because it doesn't matter if you care or not.

>>160873390
If it didn't matter you wouldn't be so butthurt over it though.

>>160872987
>Literally nothing could have been done better in practical terms.
How about giving Chise an actual motivation instead of hinting at one? Because you literally had to assume that she was fighting for the good guys. Bad writing 101.

>>160873383
It's not rotoscoping, Ryouma Ebata just makes it look like that

>>160873341
The introduction was a bit rough but it was very short and once it moved past it and the action started going it didn't matter. It just kept its momentum until the end.

>>160873487
How about just watching it and seeing what happened and paying attention.
That works for me.


The one thing that did feel weird was that scene with the cards, even though /a/ has explained it and at least they pulled it off in such a way that it felt like a weird but hypnotic thing, it was weird but didn't feel wrong or out of place. It felt similar to watching some stuff by Shaft sometimes.

>>160873487
They could have used episode 4 to establish Hirokawa as a good guy, but instead they make him shady as he's basically playing for both sides until he finds out which one is more convenient for him.

Chise is pure evil

>>160873487
>Because you literally had to assume that she was fighting for the good guys.
The previous episode mentioned that there isn't black and white, only black and grey. No one ever said Chise's faction were the good guys or Jubei's were the bad. Chise simply chose loyalty to her faction rather than rebelling alongside her father, and that led to them becoming enemies. Don't confuse your own short-sightedness for the show having bad writing.

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>>160869587
Too bad potential doesn't mean shit in the end you baka.
Unambitious yet entertaining and well made show > Show that failed to get anywhere close to it's "potential"

>>160873487
They're spies and assassins. Why would you assume that they're good people?

>>160873639
Well objectively speaking, all revolutions bring forth a lot of conflict which does translate at least in the short term to suffering of people.
On the long term it depends on what the new regime ends doing.
But without knowing if the shogun would have been better than the current government they had going, we can at least infer that the shift would have been bad.

>>160873639
If Chise doesn't have the moral high ground to justify killing her father, then anon can call Chise a patricidial psycho all he wants, I guess.

>>160873487
>why doesn't the show spoonfeed me with exposition instead ofmexpecting me to use my fucking brain

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>>160868278
Look at it, it's huge.

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>>160873726
Did someone say exposition?

>>160873587
>How about just watching it and seeing what happened and paying attention.
Anon, I won't argue with you. Instead, do the following: rewatch the episode keeping in mind the only motivations for both Chise and her father are that they are on opposite sides of a fight. There is nothing there that makes you believe that her side was intrinsically good or that her father's side was fundamentally bad and there was also no in-between. Once you do this you will understand that you were only cheering on the loli and absolutely nothing more. No information was given to you other than there are opposing factions.

>>160873690
>They're spies and assassins. Why would you assume that they're good people?
I don't? But that doesn't mean the writers should should suspend her motives in plot limbo, anon. It is bad writing making you assume that they have motivations to fight one and other.

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>>160873734

>>160873726
She killed her father for stupid reasons. And maybe she had very good reasons to do so but the show didn't tell you about them. Just they they were on opposite sides of a war. Blindly accepting this bullshit is, ironically, you not using your brain.

>>160873825
The fuck are you even talking about

>>160869710
It doesn't work

>>160873851
Are we watching the same show or you're just a brainlet that accepts things because hack writers just expect you to roll with it? Better yourself, anon.

Episode 5 is a 10/10 just for the patricide.

>>160873895
>no argument
OK, kid

>>160873929
But I gave you my arguments. You offered none to counter them.

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>>160873734

>>160873825
Would it make you feel better if there was a 10 second flashback of him cutting up some innocent villagers or something? He came there with the intention of killing her lord and slaughtered a dozen of his allies. That's a good enough reason to fight him.

>>160873765
I wasn't cheering for anyone, there is no good or bad, there were different characters and different factions and different motivations colliding and all of it made sense within its context, I understood all of it, and it was enjoyable to watch for the action, for its political meaning and for the emotional factor.
Are you the same anon that was fixated on the patricide and spouting a lot of feels and emotional nonsense before? If so take a fucking clue, everyone's tired of it, go sort yourself out.

>>160873929
not that anon but "the fuck are you even talking about" isn't an argument either.

>>160873953
Your only "argument" is that Chise killed her father for stupid reasons and that the ep had bad writting because the writers didn't explicitly spell her motives to you

>>160873970
You got your Chise introduction episode. You can now stop with this.

>>160874007
No, it's a question because I genuinely have no idea what the fuck is he even about

I'm gonna kiss Beato's neck.

>>160874042
>it's a question
Then don't ask for an argument when you didn't offer yours to begin with.

>>160874017
He's just changing it.
He's got no argument, he's just crying to us and complaining he didn't like what happened while making up reasons to disguise that as some sort of attempt to discuss the show but it's impossible to reason with him. He's arguing with people in his head and ignoring what anyone says to him, then he wants people to call him a retard so he can complain about being called a retard. Chase the last thread, he was there pulling off the exact same shit.

I'm gonna snap Beato's neck

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I want Todo Chise

>>160874117
Good fucking luck.

>>160874117
CLANG

>>160874121
>"It Ain't Me"

>>160874074
Same goes to you, m8.

I legitimately asked for your argument because your reasoning is that "her motives are supid because I say so"

/a/ you can choose everyone's fate.

One girl will die.
One girl will be evil.
One girl will be suffering.
One girl will be spared.

How will you choose?

>>160873986
>Would it make you feel better if there was a 10 second flashback of him cutting up some innocent villagers or something?
Why do you presume that they were innocent? Also, he was pretty okay with the idea of chopping Beato's head. I don't need the show to explain to me that this is a bad hombre, that scene alone was sufficient.

The point is that Chise remembers her father fondly, this is well established. She then proceeds to explain her motive for killing Jumbo, that he "killed her father". Okay, so something changed, but the only thing that the show ever tells you is that he rebelled against the top dog for whatever reason. So suddenly this monstrously sociopathic broad is inspired to go on a 2 year crusade for her father's head... because top dog in Chinaland said so. This is the only information that we have and this is, for lack of a better term, her "motivation". So you really have to assume that she has a compelling reason to want to kill her father.

Kill her father.

>>160874195
Ange KILLS Princess and her siblings and switches with her to take the throne and make a new empire.

>>160874185
>Same goes to you
I already said I'm not that anon. I just thought it was really stupid to talk about not giving an argument when you posted something retarded like "the fuck are you even talking about". Post an actual question is you want a proper reply.

>>160874260
What's stupid is giving this patricide anon any more serious replies.

>>160873439
It actually doesn't matter if I'm butt hurt or not. Your really not understanding what I'm saying. I never said it didn't matter to me (note how I use the words it doesn't matter if (you) care or not I care) either so your clearly getting confused. Your statements are roving between you don't care what others think to conflating that I don't care what I think which is absurd.

You clearly don't understand English very well.

>>160874260
>doesn't state his argument
>gets asked for his argument
>replies that asking for an argument is not an argument
Is this nigga for real?

>>160874288
>It actually doesn't matter if I'm butt hurt or not
That's true. It's just funny that your so butthurt over it.

Question, Why are some episodes seemingly out of fucking order chronologically? I can understand the first episode as an introduction to say, hey, here's our main cast.

>>160869150
I FUCKING LOVE GANGBANG DOUJINS

>>160874293
I've already posted my argument more than once in this thread. I really don't know what you expect from me, this is kind of frustrating. Learn to follow a thread.

>>160874316
It's the Haruhi order. The first episode was actually the thirteenth chronologically.

>>160874288
You're so fucking "butt hurt" my butthurt friend.
And yes it matters because it's causing you (or perhaps the cause) of your irrational crusade.
You need to take a rest, you can't even think clearly in this state.

>>160874315
Wow your level of English understanding is extremely poor. Note the or not as in the statement is either way. Your just living in your own fictional mindspace at this point.

>>160874316
The episodes are out of chronological order the case number is how you would sort them with 1 being the first in the chronological order and higher number occurring later.

>>160874316
To get us used to the characters first before delivering their most dramatic moments.
First we meet Chise, get used to her a little, then they showed her highly emotional and exciting episode.
We wouldn't care so much about her if it was the first time she showed up for instance.

>>160874195
Dorothy.
Princess.
Ange.
Beato.

Chise will live to spread the tale.

>tfw too smart to follow this show now

>>160874371
I think you still don't understand that just because you say things doesn't make it automatically true. Arguably if we break down your posts your not even arguing anything at this point.

>>160874428
But there are only retards in this thread and most seem to follow it just fine.

>>160874214
>Also, he was pretty okay with the idea of chopping Beato's head. I don't need the show to explain to me that this is a bad hombre, that scene alone was sufficient.
She willingly put herself in danger and tried to kill/incapacitate him. Did you expect him to just sit there and take it because she's a cute loli?
>So suddenly this monstrously sociopathic broad is inspired to go on a 2 year crusade for her father's head... because top dog in Chinaland said so.
If she was merely doing it because the guy told her to, wouldn't he have brought her along in the first place? She believes her father to be a traitor and that the responsibility of eliminating him rests on her. Honestly it just seems like your problem is the fact that it's her father that she's fighting.

>>160874316
Out of chronological order doujins when?

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>>160874121
Take the drug to the other side of the wall and just then you can have snacks, Dora .

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>>160874195
Princess and her people are the source of all evil.

>>160874445
One can always "argue" anything, and everything is "arguable".
But is it reasonable? Does it make practical sense?
Dealing with you isn't and doesn't.
You can claim this is unreasonable to you but that just speaks of your inability to notice it, and it'd be further proof of it.
Consider it a mix of pattern recognition, common sense and practical reward assessment.

>>160874316
To make your almonds think

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>>160874377
>The episodes are out of chronological order the case number is how you would sort them with 1 being the first in the chronological order and higher number occurring later.
Ah, I see. I, was wondering what case 13 meant when I watched the first episode Just finished catching up. How many episodes or cases does that mean then?

also,
>>160869150
GANGBANG DOUJIN DRAWN BY TRY

>>160874571
No to argue something means you have some attempt at counterpoint which is what you are writing now. Stating that someone is butt hurt isn't an argument it is called a statement. Not to mention your arguing about internal states of mind which are extremely difficult to prove.

"You're so fucking "butt hurt" my butthurt friend." Is called a statement not an argument. Not to mention it has nothing to do with is story and plot separable which was the issue being discussed previously. It is by definition just shitposting meaningless garbage.

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>>160874544
Reminder that the black lizard planet is the moon.
>The insectoid lunar natives (referred to as "Selenites", after Selene, the moon goddess) are part of a complex and technologically sophisticated society that lives underground, but this is revealed only in radio communications received from Cavor after Bedford's return to earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Men_in_the_Moon

>>160874460
>She willingly put herself in danger and tried to kill/incapacitate him. Did you expect him to just sit there and take it because she's a cute loli?
I apologise, I was being a bit too facetious there. Of course that is not a reasonable expectation, the same way it is not reasonable to assume that Chise is in the right simply because she is a loli. Jumbo was a killer and had no qualms in even killing children he perceived to be hostile, so survival or not this was a man with very little regard for such things. Same with Chibe, really, she was hacking and chopping up a storm so she really is her father's daughter.
>If she was merely doing it because the guy told her to, wouldn't he have brought her along in the first place?
Well, that's the point, we don't know what was going on. Initially, the foreign escorts thought of her as hostile and called her the traitor's daughter but the minister seemed okay with her being there. So we don't know, all we can do is speculate broadly about it and it is quite frustrating.
>She believes her father to be a traitor and that the responsibility of eliminating him rests on her.
Yes, anon, but we as an audience are never given a "why" other than he's a traitor, the writers think so little of you that they assume this is sufficient explanation for kin-slaying. So all that we can assume is that this is solely political, it's like you killing your father for having voted for Hilary Clinton (God forbid).
>Honestly it just seems like your problem is the fact that it's her father that she's fighting.
Well, yes. What she did was monstrous and should shock anyone with either a family or a beating human heart. You need to be especially badly socialised to not be able to see this. She killed her own father, the father that she remembered fondly in her introduction. And she killed her father because of petty politics.

>>160874703
Do you have actual mental problems?

>>160874195

One girl will die.
The woman at control
One girl will be evil.
The Doctors sister
One girl will be suffering.
Chise
One girl will be spared.
The Queen

Princess and Charlotte were actually twins created from the queens genes. While they respect each other one must fall. Dorothy will go her own way and defect to a different country opting to leave the underworld behind and Beato is captured, tortured and disposed of after becoming mere husk

The true hero was actually The brown girl under the duke working for a different superpower looking to shift the balance of power

>>160874739
Will all the memes about brainlets and this show being hard to understand finally die once this show goes to the moon or turns Ange into actual lizard?

>>160874679
Not sure how many cases there will be as presumably they could easily leave gaps in the case numbers and it is just a way to sort the episodes in time. In terms of episodes there is supposed to be 12 I think but I'm not entirely sure.

>>160874571
Also, not everything is arguable, scientifically verified and repeatable observations are facts which are not arguable why they happened is but the very thing that happened is not arguable. If something is certain or factual it cannot be argued. Try arguing away elements on the periodic table like hydrogen it isn't going to happen.

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>>160874776
A lesbian version of Oldboy would be cool.

>>160872619
She looks nothing like her father. Her mother was nothing short of Yamato Nadeshiko.

>>160872619
Chose's smile is a miracle.

>>160874771
Everyone has mental problems. You would be insane to think that your perfectly normal.

Again your back to not arguing anything. You just don't want to be shown to be incorrect it seems.

>>160869140
Are there full versions of those 3 drawings?

I wish there was a cover of the OP in an English that isn't broken.

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>>160874993
We can do it ourselves.

>>160875012
I'd prefer it was a cute girl singing

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>>160875049
>he isn't a cute girl

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I think we can all agree that Princess was cuter than usual this episode.

>>160875071
Princess isn't really cute at all to begin with.

>>160875071
Stop being a dork Ange, you're going to regret it.

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>>160868032
Nice episode.

>>160872619
Best episode of the show by far. Great animation and much better writing that focused on the things that are actually interesting about this show.

>>160875071
Yes, the princess was cuter. She really takes the time to wax her legs.

>>160874842
>Again your back to not arguing anything
It's just fun to see you so butthurt.

Final episode will be about Ange trying to stop the commonwealth from firing a superweapon at the kingdom via sneaking into their base. In the base shell confront the princess which was the mastermind all along

>>160875131
Only if you think Chise and some meaningless ninja action are the most interesting things in the show.

>>160875229
The only interesting things so far are Chise, cyborg beato and Doro being a slut

Shut the fuck up, retards. Chise is literally the least interesting part of the show.

Beato is for tender loving.

>>160875335
Nah, that's Doro. At least until next week.

>>160875186
You are free to live in your own fictional mind space.

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>>160875335
She's good, but she's not an Ange.

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>>160875295
And Cavorite hijinks.

>>160875357
Thanks but no thanks. I don't wanna bump into you there.

>>160875397
Cavorite shenanigans are by far the best thing about this show. I really want to see them do more with that stuff before they go full lizard.