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>hear English dub for the first time Why are English voice

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>hear English dub for the first time

Why are English voice actors so bad at conveying emotion, or just generally reacting to stuff, in a realistic way?
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>>160836966
English people just doesn't express their emotions in the over the top ways japanese in anime does.
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>>160837010
English people always close their throats and tense up like they're trying to sound tense on purpose and I can't stand it.

Makes me physically cringe.
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Because the english VAs for anime are usually shitty 2nd rate ones.
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>>160836966
Are you fucking 12?

This board is so fucked.
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>>160837082
To be fair, this board has been fucked for a long time
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English dub actors are 99% of the time failed actors. They are the lowest of the low.

Japanese voice actors are trained professionals.
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>>160837121
The "training" doesn't mean much (especially when it comes to older generations of seiyuu), it's the ridiculously hard competition across all media that creates the consistent top level.
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>>160836966

What dubs do you watch?
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If you could pick one English VA to start doing anime dubs who would it be?

James Urbaniak
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>>160836966

Shit directing.
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The reverse is pretty much the same, Japanese dubs of western shows are generally terrible.
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>>160836966
>be watching anime
>want realism
stop being a nerd dub supremacy
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I think it's because of the more eccentric and different way that characters behave in anime.
Stuff like audible gasps whenever someone says someting just doesn't really happen as much in English so it comes across as jarring when they have to adapt that noise or any other quirk because it just doesn't fit very well. That being said, dubs will almost always have poorer direction than the original version regardless of the talent from the voice actors.
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>>160838048
>>160836966
Also to add to what I just said, a lot of anime hardly has realistic performances so I'm not sure why you brought that up. Which is exactly why it's so jarring when eccentric Japanese performances have to be adapted into English.
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>>160836966
good voice actors with successful careers aren't working on dubs for niche foreign cartoons
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>>160837082
I wouldn't mind if the servers went down for the summer at this point.
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>>160837344
yes thats why a senior citizen voices goku. because of competition. fuck off faggot
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>>160836966
Because they don't take pride in the work and think it's just for children
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>>160838505
Senior citizen voices goku because she has been doing since the very beginning you braindead failed abortion
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>>160837428
Either Harry Shearer or Hank Azaria
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>>160837698
Kek, RWBY is actually better dubbed in Jap. Not that that's an achievement though.
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Maybe it's the script and characters? Abriged series most of the time have a much better VA work than the dubbed normal version (Hellsing/SAO for example). Character in abriged actually sound like people talking and not "charachters" trying to sound authentic.
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Localization crews only get scraps compared to the original cast anyway.
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>>160836966
>Usually not high quality VAs to begin with
>Poor direction due to a generally low budget affair
They're not taking a lot of takes to begin with and their B-listers at the very best.
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>>160836966
Language differences on top of working with a translated script/window of time meant for Japanese delivery.
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>>160837121
>>160839000

These. NA VAs are simply just not as good. But I imagine they get paid a hell of a lot less.
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>>160836966
ACTUAL English actors such as Hollywood actors are much better than the best Jap talent, but they only do dubs for top tier shit like miyazaki films.
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>>160837698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
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Because most of these people are there just for the paychecks. Only a handful of VAs dubbing anime are actually trying in any way.
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>english dub
There's your problem
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>>160836966
I'm french and after hearing the english dub I learned to love the french dub
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It's because you can't understand it. Your mind "fills in the gaps" so to speak. But also, english VAs are third rate poseurs most of the time.
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>>160836966
Because they get bargain basement failed actors for anime dubs usually. Imagine Kevin Conroy playing Joseph, he could even change up his voice a touch and do an equally decent job as Jotaro. Or Mark Hamill as DIO(obviously not doing the Joker voice, the man has range).
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>>160838981
>Abriged series most of the time have a much better VA work

This is why I laugh at people who think dub VAs aren't horrible most of the time. Amateur youtubers consistently show them up easily.
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https://youtu.be/8TFAGAyLzcg?t=132
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>>160838981
Hellsing ultimate dub is good though
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>mfw listening to that nasally drawling American female VA's often do in anime
please don't tell me that's how actual women talk in America.
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>>160837010
Now you know how German voice actors must feel about English people talking.
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>>160837082
>whaa why doesn't anyone like my shitty english dubs
Fuck off kid
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs
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>>160837428
Laura Bailey.

plz come back
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here, for those interested in seeing for themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEKeINRSx8c
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This topic is bait.
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>>160838981
>Hellsing Abridged is better than Hellsing
Never breed.
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Because you don't speak Japanese and don't know that most Japanese VA's are just as bad as English ones. You just don't know it because of the language barrier..
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>>160837428
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=60177
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>>160841308
this

>oh the actor is putting SO much energy into it! they must clearly be doing better than anyone english possibly ever could!
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>>160841369

English dubs are still cancer though
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>>160841308
I refute that on the basis that English is not my first language, and that English still sounds inferior to my ears. Emotion is a universal language but so is authenticity, both of which are lacking in English dubs.

>>160841369
To be honest, I find overstated Japanese acting to be equally as bad as underwhelming English acting. It's difficult to capture but high quality acting must not feel forced, a trait which many anime dubs, English or otherwise, suffer from.
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>>160841369
Are you literally autistic? Most people can detect intonation and emotions in voice without understanding the words themselves.
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There are some good English Dubs out there, I think Death Note had a great english dub and so did Berserk
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>>160841308
>Because you don't speak Japanese
Stop projecting.
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>>160840890
What happened to her?
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>>160838225
I don't think it would change anything. Underages still browse 4chan even if they're in school.
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>>160841950
I think for the most part TTGL had an excellent dub, and Your Name's dub was fantastic (though that was a feature length movie, so it might not be comparable).
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>>160838771
>Hank Azaria voices the entire cast of an anime
I need this in my life
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>>160837698
>>160839544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep98a0mDiIc
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>>160836966
>realistic
Op please stop.
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>>160839544
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What do you expect? They're literally trash tier voice actors that are too shit to work on something with a higher profile. Production values and directing are also fucking shit.
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>>160836966
>Joseph
>realistic in his reactions

Nigga did you even watch the anime?
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God are you people fucking 12? Why do you retards autistically screech over dubs??? If you don't like it, don't watch it.
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>>160841507
no youre just a weeb you wont understand
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>>160838816
>Kek
>RWBY is actually better dubbed in Jap
>Not that that's an achievement though
>Literally ends "with n-n-n-not like I watch cartoons"

I can smell the hot pocket radiating off this post.
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>>160842963
She realised that working for big companies on mainstream American movies and games, which gets her decent pay and lets her be in a union, was more worthwhile than dubbing anime for minimum wage. Same with most actually talented dub VAs. If you're able to start working in actually credible companies, you don't stay in anime dubbing for long.
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>>160836966
I have no fucking clue, I'm italian and I think that italian dub is almost always decent, often very good, and sometimes even better than the original, so I'm not one of those faggy weebs that think that only le true nippon experience counts.
But make me hear some english dub and holy fucking shit if it's bad.
Maybe you don't have good dubbing schools?
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>>160843745
Because this is a discussion board, and we're discussing things. The argument of "if you don't like x just don't watch it" is a big load of shit, but an even bigger one when idiots like you smugly spout it on a fucking discussion board.
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>>160841308
>love Japanese voice acting even though I don't understand it
>read this excuse all the time
>learn Japanese
>5 years later I can understand everything the characters say
I actually like Japanese voice acting now more than I ever did before because I can understand it. Aside from the rare bad egg, they're just really fucking good, anon.
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>>160845557
>they're just really fucking good
Yeah, yelling in kabuki style becomes original when you hear it for the millionth time.
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Voice acting jobs are usually done with instruction.
>She sounds like this.
>She acts like this in this situation.
This is the same for jap and Western anime/cartoons

But when you throw together a team of randos and give them a script with no instructions you get trash.
This is the same for both western and Jap anime/cartoons.

I wish you all would stop pretending that that this shit is an English only thing
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>>160838505
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>>160845752
It is, all English dubs are fucking trash.
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>>160846079
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>>160836966
Why do so many people like the manga better? Because that's what they experienced first and nothing will ever be the same as the first time you experience something.

The English dub and the anime stand alone well enough and that's all we can ask for.

tl;dr get over this stupid meme
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>>160846079
>No it's bad because I say it's bad
I never said it was good I'm saying both sides have shitty voice acting.
Great argument tho.
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>>160836966
English (Read; American) voice actors at the absolute best of time are comprised entirely of D list hollywood washouts hanging out in an incestuous clique which discourages new talent. And the ones doing the anime dub are the bottom of the bottom of that . Its truly awful.
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>>160836966
>>160841204
I thought Epcar did a good job, what's the issue?
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>>160836966
They give a Saturday morning cartoon vibe
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>>160842963
Naughty Dog gave her the big bucks to voice in their new game.
Same thing that happened to Troy Baker.
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>>160846079
bebop, black lagoon, yuyu hakusho have objectively superior english dubs
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>>160841308
>>160841369
>"Lol, the only reason you like this foreign song is because you don't understand the language, they actually all sound fucking horrible you just can't tell because of language"
This is the absolute worst argument that has ever been put forth in dub vs subs argument.
Anyone with an IQ above 100 can tell apart bad acting from good acting because you understand the basics of conveying emotions through speech which is not language blocked.
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Casual reminder watching Baccano subbed makes you a retard.
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>>160836966

As opposed to Japanese dubbing where they're so melodramatic like in soap operas?

If you think Japanese voice acting is any way realistic then you're an idiot.
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>>160846481
this. Go watch clione no akari if you are not convinced.
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>>160846492
Glad you could provide the one exception where the dub is better
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>>160846624
here faggot

>>160846408
>>160846492
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>>160846481
>le IQ

>"Lol, the only reason you like this foreign song is because you don't understand the language, they actually all sound fucking horrible you just can't tell because of language"
This is true though, a foreign song would be worse if you understood the dumb shit they were saying.

Even if the acting is better, I doubt the script coming directly out of a fucking comic book sounds natural in any language when spoken out loud.
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>>160846675
Once again, these are exceptions not the rule. Dubs as a whole are generally shit
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>>160846722
casual reminder 4Kids had the best dubs.
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>>160846722
So are Japanese dubs
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>>160836966
Only a few Eng Dubs are better than the original voices.Cowboy Bebop is much better in english, ghost in the shell too even neon genesis evangelion in some points
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The dub's voice director has their own idea of how to inflect and intone the voices which differ from the JPN's direction. This can be good or bad. Is often bad. Western animation has superior VA work to English dubs of anime. It has to come down to the voice directors of English adaptations being shit.
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>>160836966
Japanese VAs are better at emoting in an over-the-top way relative to English but they certainly aren't reacting "realistically"
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>>160846761
Well I checked MLP and RWBY in japanese and they'we very okay actually. And both show were plain unwatchable in english, go figure.
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>>160836966
There was a bell curve in English dubs. They were improving for a while until all the good actors realized they could get better money from video games and western animation.
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>>160846936
>. And both show were plain unwatchable in english
>both show
It's probably because you don't understand english well enough, mate.
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>>160837698
I dunno man, this shit is pretty tight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpslRxy8T0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGtzkkb8ck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY1FVtLUio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjYfoyKDWr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNuRnARkN5M
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>>160846854
It's a mix of that and the budget for dubs being so small the only actors willing to work for such shit pay is the kind of incompetent fucks that literally can't get any other kind of acting jobs.
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>>160847016
The voice acting was disgusting and cringy sempai. And anyway, what's there to understand? Kids can watch these.
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>>160840490
God no
Those nasally voices would get a strange look anywhere in the US outside of conventions.
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>>160846936
That just means you're a weeb

And unless you understand what they're saying in Japanese you can't tell if they're doing a good job reading the lines. You can only read the subs and imagine that they read the lines the way you wanted them to.
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>>160847070
Like kabuki theatre screaming cringy?
Anyway the discussion is useless 'cause there is always the based Greek dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VouVqAuTyZ8
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>>160847112
>That just means you're a weeb
>a
shocking
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>nu-/a/ defending dubs
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>>160847016
How can someone not understand the english of a fucking show for children, you inbred retard?
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>>160847201
Probably the same man that forgets the s at the end of a word. No need to get so flustered though, autismo. I am sure there are special classes for people like you.
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>>160846854
You can barely speak english so i'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.
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>>160847274
>speak
>on an imageboard
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>>160837121
Why dont they actually get good VA for dubbing
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>>160844397
RWBY is just that fucking bad. Animation, writing, plot, and the god awful voice actors. They literally have black models in place of extras in the background, how lazy can you get?
Id rather watch all of the fujobait this season rather than sit through one season of RWBY
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>>160837698
Of course. That is why i always choose original language
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>>160847410
Because good VAs refuse to work for the kind of pay anime dub budgets allows.
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>>160847153
Faggot gets his English rules mixed up, more on that at 11.
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>>160847455
My favorite RWBY memory is when I dropped it after 6 episodes and told my friends I dropped it. then one degenerate said
>"It's almost like you didn't give the show a chance! It gets so good at Season 2"
>you have to endure an entire shit first season to get to the "good" stuff
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>>160841308
>Because you don't speak Japanese
Expect that i do. Of course there is bad ones too and top-tier jap VA have some bad performances
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>>160847557
Are you me?
Same friend said the same thing. I sat though an episode of a later season, and it was still pure ass.

THE MODEL EXTRAS WERE RENDERED AT 10 FPS, HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP AFTER 3 OR 4 SEASONS?
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>>160847557
>telling people you watch RWBY
why would you do that?
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>>160847625
Because they were begging me to watch it at this point.
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>>160845591
So are you saying all jap VA are bad?
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>>160847697
Not him but all nips sound the same to me. I will say that dubs have dropped in quality since around the same time anime dropped in quality.
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>>160847695
I'm talking about your friends, who the fuck talks about RWBY IRL
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>>160847410
Many TV stations and such don't care enough, anime is third rate filler to them.

Even so how they manage to hire VA that are worse than what I'd expect to find on JUST posting a holiday audition at an university or even by pooling some city's homeless shelters for all the years that they've been doing their translation is, uh, astonishing.
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>>160847805
>all nips sound the same to me
Not tome but maybe it is because i actually learned japanese
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>>160847854
Because half the people that would attend a university audition like that would walk out once they heard how little they'd get paid. They literally have to scour fucking anime cons for new "talent" nowadays because that's the only place they can find anyone willing to work for next to nothing.
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>>160847805
Holy shit, kill yourself.
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>>160847828
Autists.
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>>160836966
its almost as if dubs on average has no real money behind it hire good english actors. English actors can be seriously amazing, but you have to pay outrageous prices to get them. Japan gets away with it's talent since outside of select powerhouses, most voice actors work for chicken feed. Chicken Feed in America is gonna get you C-listers at best.
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>>160847043
This. Was at a store that invited some second string VAs from Funimation to come down for their grand opening. The didnt glorify the fact literally just read their lines off the script and then move on to the next character they voice.
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>>160847966
I hate voicefags in all languages but nips are held up far too high.
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>>160847805
> all nips sound the same to me
Wow, how bad is your hearing?

I barely understand a few words in Japanese but many voice actors definitely sound very different, even if they play some of the same stereotypes.
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>>160847557
>Hunter x Hunter gets good after 40 episodes
>Gintama gets good after 80 episodes
/a/ really has no right to speaker
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>>160846691
>He thinks the quality of a song is only judged on the actual lyrics
You are the biggest plebeian. The importance of a song is that it SOUNDS good, the lyrics are not a make or break part of it.
I can enjoy the sound of the Japanese language or the Spanish language or the French language and thus enjoy a song.
I can tell when the singer puts effort into the song because I don't have legitimate autism that prevents me from reading these cues.

I never said the script was better. Just that it is stupid to say; "You don't understand the language so you cannot possibly know if it is good".
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The only thing you should watch for anything is the original language. Doesn't matter which country it's from, only the original one has any validity and it's objectively the best because that's the version that the original creators made.

That's why I didn't watch the HS release of Castlevania, because it only had the JP dub and not the original English voices.
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>>160836966

Because unions, they hire someone for a extra and they get a little bit more work and bam, you gotta start sticking them into roles and you can only pool from these people.
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Ironic that the Japs enjoy RWBY as much as weebs enjoy shitty Jap cartoons.
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>>160848116
>arr nips sound same
>talking about anime dropping in quality like it's an actual thing that happened
You're retarded. Your parents are probably siblings or you were dropped in your head as a kid way too many times
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>>160848000
I understand why they don't get people who look nice, can act with their body AND voice to the best of hollywood's standards.

OTOH there are small, not famous podcast audio dramas who got better VAs all the time. Shit, some one man shows and children's audiobooks have better voices.

It's almost amazing how extremely underwhelming many English dubs are.
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>>160848176
Also this. You listen to the medium in its intended original language, regardless of where that origin is.
When I was a little shit I remember watching Disney movies with the dub of my original language.
Then when I grew up and heard my little brother listening to these dubs I wanted to throw up because the dub was fucking awful.

The original is 99.9% of the time superior and even those fringe cases should be ignored because it is not the mediums intended language.
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>>160848219
>Your parents are probably siblings
If only, that would be hot.
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>>160837010
>English people just doesn't express their emotions in the over the top ways japanese in anime does.
But they do (or rather Americans do). See >>160840495
Watching American news is hysterical as a non American because of how forced the reporters talk.
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>>160841308
>Because you don't speak Japanese
Fuck off with this bullshit. Who the fuck do you think you are?
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>>160848176
The anime isn't the version the original creators made when it's an adaptation.
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>>160848244
>I understand why they don't get people who look nice, can act with their body AND voice to the best of hollywood's standards.

Man I'm not even going that far. Just a good actor with like a wide range of voices is probably going to run you 100 times what you'd pay your average c-lister hire. AND that's not even assuming it's a singer/actor. Those are even more expensive.
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>>160848400
It still applies if it is a VN or videogame adaptation. Those sources have audio
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>>160848486
>Just a good actor with like a wide range of voices is probably going to run you 100 times what you'd pay your average c-lister hire
I'm not aware that theater performers from some art school cost that much.

Or people who are just doing small audio drama podcasts for a few thousand listeners.

Or just sampling a few dozen to a few hundred job seekers.

Hell, just pool your extended family up to cousins, I'm sure there are better VA's there.
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>>160848244
Disney goes out of their way to obtain those VAs, but they have the money to. Christian Bale did the dub for Howl's Moving Castle.
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american anime voice actors are so fucking bad it's embarrassing

didn't really know until xenoblade dub made me realize how cheap british actors were better
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>>160847557
6 episodes is like 40mins dude
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>>160836966
>Why are English voice actors so bad at conveying emotion, or just generally reacting to stuff, in a realistic way?
What better way is there to voice act shitty, melodramatic anime than to be completely histrionic?
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>>160836966
Because the ones that can actually do it well get scooped up for real roles in Hollywood.
In the west, people see voice acting as a means to get their foot in the door. What you get left with are shitters who couldn't make the cut.
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>>160848691
>I'LL TEK YOOO TO ELESSYIUM
yeah i dont know what that shit was the dub for the xenosaga games was more bearable than that shit
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>>160848118
Most sound the same. I would say that it is very rare for me to recognize a nip VA from one another.
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>>160848690
Not at all famous podcasts with a budget of $0-$500 a month still do a much better job if you ask me.

Anime dubs are just silly bad.
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>>160839544
fuck the sound mixing. Why is Bane so loud
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>>160847037
Part of it is hearing japanese coming out of the mouth of a white guy. Those weren't too bad though.
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>>160838225
>implying people who go on 4chan would be too busy with school in the first place
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>>160836966
>Why are English voice actors so bad at conveying emotion, or just generally reacting to stuff, in a realistic way?
Its hard for a normal person to be emotional over a cartoon thats trying to take itself seriously. Japanese people are weird thats why they can pull it off
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>>160846624

I've got a list of anime that has better English dubs than the Japanese dub:

1. Carried by the Wind Tsukikage Ran

2. Please Teacher

3. Please Twins
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Unpopular opinion: Ghost in the shell was better dubbed than subbed.

Save with the Sonic OVAs and DBZ.
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>>160851095
>>>/r/anime
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>dub VAs are just people who couldn't make it in Hollywood
>they don't care about the craft and are just in it for the paycheck
>there's a concerted effort to prevent new talent from entering the industry

Every fucking time this thread pops up we get the same "arguments" from people who have no source except shitposters from the last time we had this thread. The truth is that most of /a/ doesn't have the first clue when it comes to the dub industry and will gladly parrot whatever "facts" they hear as long as it lets them feel superior over others for watching Chinese children's cartoons the right way In the past few weeks alone I've people say all of the following

>Funimation is a Californian instead of a Texan company
>the lead in one of Funi's broadcast dubs was voiced by Spike Spencer even though he's in the wrong state and has never worked for Funi outside of role reprisals
>Monica Rial can only do one voice
>ADR directors write the scripts
>the scriptwriters for the Prison School and Dragon Maid dubs were the same person
>most English VAs are from Canada

It would be better for everyone if people just stopped talking about things they know nothing about.
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>>160851203
>watching dubs
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>>160851264
>watching anime
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>>160851497
>watching media
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>>160836966
I dunno, some dubs I really enjoyed, like FMA, Hellsing, Mob psycho or inuyasha. I think it just depends really
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>>160851773
Congrats, you're less autistic than 90% of /a/
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>>160836966
This is what keeps me from enjoying most dubs, they don't put in the effort to make it sound natural. And this isn't always a matter of voice actors, it largely has to do with direction. Persona 5 had a lot of talented people working on it but they were given terrible direction so you still end up in a situation where characters put the accent on the wrong syllable and totally butcher names for no fucking reason.
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>watching dubs
>ever
>in any media
Original language, all the time subs only, the only exception possible is AAA hollywood kids animated movies, because usually the producing team cares and gives a budget so it sounds nice in whatever language.
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>>160852639
>Original language
>subs only

Pick one. Subtitles are no better than dubs. If you don't watch raw you have no right to complain about dub watchers.
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>>160852764
Go back there.
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>All dubs are bad
Not when they're told to do whatever the fuck they want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs
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>>160851203
I can understand why dubs are shunned because of normalfags but it seems like even subs don't keep them away anymore.
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>>160837010
yeah this
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>>160853991
There are a few other series like this but people only ever bring up Ghost Stories because of its surface meme status.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501743117817.webm
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Are there any animes that /a/ generally agrees have a good dub?
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>>160856267
Never mind I missed some posts pls ignore ;~;
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>>160856267
Case closed

Fight me
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>>160856267
>>160856302
>>160856327
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>>160848139
nobody says this
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>>160856267
Dbz, Mha, bobo, yu yu hakusho and Hellsing.
Although Gamers is pretty decent so far.
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>>160847697
No, but most of them force the style resulting in over the top performances.
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>>160856493
I SAID PLEASE IGNORE YOU WATERMELON SELLER
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>>160856503
Yeah, people say Gintama gets good after a mere 25 episodes.
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>>160856267
No. /a/ generally agrees all dubs are bad.
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>>160856558
I would add Black Lagoon, Bebop and Megas XLR
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>>160841204
Sounds great besides Avdol and Matt Mercer's caveman yelling.
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Why don't nips hire English VA to speak English. Because holy shit are they bad.
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>>160857323
This "complaint" will always be retarded.
You think it's that easy or cheap to find decent english VAs to use in nipland?
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>>160841308

bullshit. that may be true to an extent, but anime is much more popular in japan, it's going to have a higher budget. It's not like in america where they get shoe string budgets to pull people off the street to voice act, and you wouldn't even want to invest in good actors because a large part of the western fanbase would criticize dubs anyways
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>>160857416
They could record the voices in the US, and email it over.
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>>160836966
English va's do react realistically. The problem is you're used to Japanese acting which isn't realistic. It's over the top, wild, cheesy. For basically any anime with a serious or dark glum setting. English vas are always better than jap vas because the Japanese just can't measure their acting.
That's why for animes like death note, dbz and such the dubs are just flat out better. But for animes like JoJo which aren't serious but cheesy and dumb are better in Japanese because the japs are better at acting like total retards
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>>160856768
A lot of dubs are better than the native though. Va quality has gone up
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>>160857591
You think any US VAs are willing to work for nip pay? Also, there's the issue of timezones and difficulties in the nips communicating how they want the character to sound
It sounds like too much of a pain just to satisfy some gaijins complaining on the internet
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>>160848718
>"just let him stab you a few more minutes! I swear, it gets like, so cool"
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>>160857591
Why go through the effort when their targeted audience literally couldn't care less?
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>>160836966
Most anime dubs are done on a shit budget.
They hire D-list VA to do hours of acting on shitty direction just to get it done because there isnt the money to do it properly
OR
you get the other problem. Some feature film studio has shitloads of money (Disney dubbing a Ghibli film) and they hire real professionals, but spend way too much getting big name live-action actors to do the VO work on the main characters. And the live-action actors know fuck all about VO work and half of them just consider this "easy money" so they put no effort into it.
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>>160857323
If you care about hearing proper English then watch the dub.
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>>160858063
See >>160851203

Do you have any sources for any of these claims?
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>>160858566
You're free to go back to Facebook if you don't fit in here.
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>>160858615
WHAT A BURN! Oh man, that joke was totally original, and hilarious at that! Bravo sir, I will return to facebook. You burned me so bad!
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>>160857734
Sure money is money. Put on Skype or discord and have a translator and boom.
>>160857784
Because their audience will likely find the different accents enjoyable.
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Fate/Zero dub is superior to the sub
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>>160857323

I dropped Muv Luv Alternative right at the start because of the nips doing English voices. If that part is that shit, the rest of it is shit.

Probably has worst girl winning, too. Shit VN.
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>>160836966
English VAs are held up to a lower standard, you have failed actors or people who just wanted to do a job in their favourite industry rather than people who grow up with dreams of voicing characters in Japan and practice through their youth for it.

In addition to that, there's a dissonance between English language acting conventions and the type of expressions made in anime. VAs here are trying to sound natural in anime, going against what sounds natural in English.

If you watch cartoons over here the same voice actors give out better performances than they do in anime because the script matches the cues we use in our language.
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>>160836966
American audiences don't really care about the emotional aspect of it. They care more about what's cool and what looks good. Just look at all the big movies every year. They're all big budgeted CG cluster fucks. And people who watch the moviess that aren't that don't watch anime, or they watch subbed.
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>>160846079
"Blocks your path"
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>>160847037
that's actually pretty cool
does anybody know where I can get star wars with jap audio? nyaa only has the force awakens
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>>160859192
nvm it's on nyaa
552199
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>>160858825
They are re-recording English lines with native speakers for the Steam release.
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>>160847037
I watched A New Hope with jap audio (every language is in the despecialized) and I swear Luke's VA was Kamille. They're the same guy but damn, Tomino may have been thinking of it when he was casting for Zeta
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>it's a "americans doing mental gymnastics to defend their dubs" episode
Every time
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>>160860180
>it's a "people who haven't watched a dub in 10 years have very strong opinions on them" rerun
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I like dubs most of the time.
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>>160860180
>It's a "pretend that Japan is perfect and has no faults while shitting on burgerland" episode.
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>>160860553
Jap VAs are better than dub ones 99.9% of the time.
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>>160860602
Except literally every jap woman who tries sounding like an underage girl and winds up damaging eardrums.
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>>160860553
>it's a "false equivalence spouting retard" episode
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>>160838599
>actually defending goku's japanese voice in super
I switched to the sub because I wanted to keep watching and I can tolerate every other character fine. But Goku has the most annoying voice.
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>>160860661
Better than burgerlanders who try voicing little girls and end up sounding like 30 year old smokers
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>>160860661
This is a textbook casual normalfag opinion. It's time to fuck off.
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>>160860740
>This is a textbook casual normalfag opinion. It's time to fuck off.
So you're saying people who have relatively little experience with anime with a japanese language will have strong opinions against the voice actresses trying to be little girls.

Have you ever stopped and thought that you're berating "normalfags" for doing the exact same thing you're doing? Ignorantly dismissing everything because you don't like the initial impression?
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>>160860833
Except my initial impression of Japanese voice acting was positive because I'm not a pleb. Defending dubs is retarded.
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>>160860736
This goes both ways. Rina Satou in Raildex sounds like she's 30 when her character is a middle schooler but people treat that role like god's gift to voice acting. Not to mention meme voices like Satomi Arai.
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>>160836966
I always thought it was about animation rather than voice acting idk.
For example in Persona 4 the animation despite having the same English voice actors the delivery of the lines sounds worse.
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The worst thing about dubs is that they rarely translate what's wrote down. Especially when it's a plot point or otherwise relevant.
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>>160861942
No, the problem with american dubs is that they don't act, they don't give a shit about what is happening, they just read the script and don't bother conveying emotion
That's why animated hollywood movies aren't as terrible as dubs, because they actually act
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>>160858732
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This thread is pure cancer.
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>>160837428
Wayne June, the guy who did audibooks for the Cthulu Mythos and the game Darkest Dungeon.
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>>160862102
Wrong.
https://youtu.be/5ApwVGT7LKA
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I always watch dubs unless it's extremely shitty, like in Prisma Illya.
Just fucking admit it you're elitists. If you don't know Japanese the language is just a random set of vocals to you
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>>160836966

>Actors

1. They are Hollywood rejects. People that failed to become real actors so they have give voice to cartion chickens, bulls whit utters and some time chinese cartoons.

2. They have no reason to improved because it doesn't matter how hard they try all the big important roles are given to actual celebrities.
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>>160862102
The only way you could believe this is if you're a retard who thinks not emoting as hard as the Japanese VAs is the same thing as not emoting at all.
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>>160863696
>phoneposter is retarded

What are the odds?
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>>160837428
I think Billy West would make a good Goku.
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>>160837010
We are talking about Brits, right? Because that doesn't apply to Americans at all.
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>>160836966
Because their directors and/or scriptwriters are generally incompetent fucks who can't fully utilize the voice actors' talents. The voice actors themselves aren't bad, but they are frequently cast into the wrong role, or given shit lines to say. The same voice actor can sound decent in one show and shit in another.
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>>160836966
>so bad at conveying emotion
The sound guys are retards that do not allow yelling in the studio, the actors should be allowed to yell while the engineers level out the volume. So usually the VAs have to "FAKE" intonation.
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>>160866158
I've seen footage from A DBZ recording session that says otherwise.
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>>160856267
Black Lagoon, also half the cast has voiced characters on a certain show about colored miniature horses.
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>>160837428
Bring back Tony Jay from the dead and have him voice every Takaya Hashi and Jouji Nakata character.
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>>160858732

You might want to lurk more
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Like Japanese dubs doesn't make you look any cooler, just saying.
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>>160841204
Jotaro's VA sucks balls. Joseph, though, isn't that bad.
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Career voice acting in the west is much less common than in Japan. As a result you have a small pool of people who aren't making that much money and are just not that good.

In Japan there are popular celebrities who are exclusively voice actors, and are very rich. There's a wealth of talent because of that.
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>>160851203
The first point is especially laughable because dub VA's are usually people starting out voice acting, experienced VA's who do voicework outside of anime anyway, or people who just like doing anime. Go to any anime VA's social media account, interviews, see them in cons, etc. and you can tell they have a lot of love for the material.
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>>160840890
>>160845003
>>160846399
Laura Bailey (along with her husband, Travis Willingham) still at least do role reprisals, schedule commiting. Troy Baker is usually to busy with mocap work and union projects to come back to dubbing even if he wanted to. Though allegedly he's able to be more selective of his roles nowadays.
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>>160862444
>a dub thread on /a/

What else were you expecting, anon?
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>>160846624
Pretty much every dub of an anime created by/adapted from/appealing to westaboos
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Fortunately in Italy there is God Tier VA
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>>160843317
The screaming's fucking killing me
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Why is that subs generally aren't as funny as the dubs?
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>>160871554
Because Japanese "humor" is abysmal.
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>>160836966
The only decent Dubs I've heard are the ones for Fullmetal Alchemist and Black Lagoon.
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>>160837010
English people are cold as fuck, dudes can't even kiss their parents on the lips without going full Freud, at best a handshake on their moms birthday with card bought on the gas station.
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>>160843512
I giggled
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>>160847037
>mfw I realize Yoda speaks in reversed syntax to english, so I wonder if he's speaking japanese with english syntax, or keeping it reversed, thus the same
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>>160837010
>Americans
>Emotionally muted
You literally have it backwards. Americans emote too much. People meeting Americans for the first time tend to get scared of them because they seem angry all the time.
No, the real problem is that American VAs are a small uncompetitive group that have never really learned how to act.
Also they do terrible loli voices.
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>>160872219
He talks pretty standard Japanese with no reversed syntax.
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>>160859735

>>I watched A New Hope with jap audio (every language is in the despecialized) and I swear Luke's VA was Kamille.

You're thinking of Nobuo Tobita. IIRC, it was Bin Shimada who voiced Luke in Japan.
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>>160872263
Also a lot of it is the material. The more western it is, the better job they do with it. Give an American something by Watanabe or off the wall like Panty and Stocking and you'll get a dub that almost as good, if not better than the original.
>>
I don't know what the fuck type of shit you guys are watching but there's plenty of dubs I like.
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>>160872361
they are watching shit from years ago
>>
way better in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87BuPWfUgQI
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>>160872643
Go back.
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>>160872739
you first
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>>160836966

Dub Young Joseph is just as good if not better than original Young Joseph. No really, he's perfectly balanced the whole "empathetic trickster" deal. Richard Epcar sounds a bit phony when shouting, but he does sound a lot like Ben Diskin aged up, as far as general inflections.
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>>160846492

Those Brooklyn accents are pretty phony, though.
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>>160872564

>>>/co/
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>>160873045
no thanks you go
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>>160837028
yeah they sound edgy and i can't take them seriously
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>>160837428

I give the role of Black Sperm to Jeffrey Tambor.
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>>160872340

>They need wester like material or they can't do a good job

This is why they never became real actors.
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>>160851560
>watching real people interacting with eachother
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>>160872293
So do they even know that he's supposed to talk backwards?
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>>160873161
This is why you don't watch dubs.
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>>160856267
Ghost Stories
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>>160868505

Yea look at Ichiro Mizuki, the guy is a legend. He as fame, respect and money and one of the key factors of his success (besides his talent) is his work in anime.
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>>160836966
>>160841204
THAT SON OF A BITCH TOOK OVER HIS BODAAAAYYYYY
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>>160873424
Aniki is a miracle of the universe.
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>>160860553
Nah japan isnt perfect in anyway but american dubs do suck
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>>160863057
What if i do japanese?
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>>160868095
But it does if you actually learned japanese and dont need subs
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Why do OPs who write this and similar texts always get so many replies?
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>>160846936
Yeah because the Japanese are just better at dubbing animation than America, live action I'm not too sure about.
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>>160874107
People love to complain about things they hate but know nothing about, and other people love to call out people who talk about things they know nothing about.
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>>160873996
Then it's actually productive and good to listen to japanese. Do I really have to tell you that?
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>>160839198
There's a massive, massive salary gap between the "top" NA VAs and the regular tier. Top tier are the ones on Simpsons or similar, earning 400k+ per episode easily. Dubbing anime pays fucking peanuts by comparison, so most of them are pulling 12 hour workdays or have secondary work producing/etc. as a result.
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>>160856267
Black Lagoon, depending on who you ask.

DBZ, maybe Pokemon as well, again depending.

I personally was fine with the dub for Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, but that's just me, I can't speak for anybody else.
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>>160870226
More experienced VAs will normally move over to video games rather than anime. From memory, a lot of them like to aim, or at least liked to a couple of years back, for video games and particularly Bioware games, because Bioware was paying out the nose for a good performance.

Dubbing anime forever is a fool's choice UNLESS you can get a long-running dub series (e.g. One Piece, DBZ/Super, Pokemon), which allows you a steady paycheck while also not being "so much so fast" that you can't go off and do other more lucrative things at the same time. For example, Ian Sinclair is reasonably good in One Piece, but he does shit that actually makes better money as well.
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>>160836966
American anime voice actors are the absolute rejects of their industry. It's not like Japan where it's an established and profitable industry.

If you want to hear some amazing American voice acting in anime, go watch The Hobbit. Many members of the cast were radio actors in the 40s and 50s, such as Paul Frees. These guys were the top of their trade.
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>>160836966
Weebs gonna weeb.

>>160857490
>muh budget

Anime uses slave laborers. So by this logic everything should be shit.
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>>160836966
I maintain my belief that the only anime with a good English dub is Death Note.
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>>160836966
>English voice acting is significantly less skilled than Japanese voice acting due to it being a much less glamorous position. It's also insular as fuck and lacks real competition.
>You can actually understand them, so you notice when something seems wrong much easier. You can't detect someone's voice sounding odd as easily when it's all the same high pitched whiny shit to your foreign ears.
>They have to translate from a really fucking incompatible language, and edit THAT to match the lip-sync and run time. This means they can be forced to act somewhat stilted just to hit the sounds at the right time.
>You've been trained to associate the anime visual style with Japanese voices, so it registers as bizarre to you when you hear the wrong language.
>You're unable to even try and enjoy it because memelord's on /a/ have you convinced liking a dub makes you an automatic normie casual.
Those are the main bullet points, and you'll notice that only one is a direct factor of the English voice actor's skill. That being said, while they are on average worse than Japanese voice actors, they aren't MUCH worse than Japanese voice actors; voice acting simply is not a hard or difficult job. The reason Japanese voice actors get paid so much is because Japanese people are much more autistic than even people on /a/ and they throw bitch-fits because they consider the voice actresses to be their waifu. And because Otaku pandering is where all the money is, they have to give them what they want, which puts the voice actresses in a position where they can put a high price on their their talents because their mere presence brings a hoard of """fans""" to buy merch and other assorted garbage.
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>>160880068
You're an idiot.
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>>160880103
>I don't like what you said but I'm too retarded to explain myself
Good job, pal.
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>>160879553
Not to mention video games are easier to dub as well.
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>>160836966
I think one of the best English voice actors I've ever heard is the announcer from the original Pokémon Stadium. That level of enthusiasm only comes once a hundred million people and then some.
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>>160879681
>Weebs gonna weeb
I am finnish. Why should i listen some shitty american dub? Mind you there is good and even great american voice actors they just arent in dubbing anime scene.
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>>160836966
This is why Italian dubbers will always be the best
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>>160880068
>and edit THAT to match the lip-sync

Why the fuck do they even bother with this?
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>>160881413
Because when they didn't people bitched and said subs were better.
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>>160880134
>they aren't MUCH worse than Japanese voice actors

Seriously back this up. Dub VAs are simply awful 99% of the time. There's no other way around it. They really are that much worse.
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