Kiritsugu and maybe halves of fate character would collectively

>>160750742
Learn English or fuck the hell off.

>>160750742
Fuck Apocrypha, Sieg, the author, and you faggot for typing like a retard.

>>160750742
>Also I really really hate how this show make a single life of homunculus so important which disregard anything fate series had established.
Stopped reading there.

>>160751789
He's right though. It's not just the character designs, entire focus of the franchise shifted from the heroic spirits to worthless pandering. Large chunk of Astolfo's screentime is this girly grinning and various mannerisms, and a scattering of time actually goes into the ideologies and internal struggles. The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets. Even the hidden identity wasn't just a strategical prudence, but a way for the viewer of discovering the character (pun unintended) before the reveal of which historical/fictional figure they represent.

Instead we get this fetish fuel nonsense and any actual characterization is tacked on in two or three lines, like it's an extra to the flashy things. They don't even bother to hide their origns, just "Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!".

Fate franchise didn't become popular because it had naked Saber. There are tons of "hotter" eroges that never made the cut. The real reason was the intensive struggle where every character gave their all for the goal, all placed inside a fascinating take on classic fantasy. But now we've moved so far away from that it's little surprise people are complaining. There's nothing to get invested in other than setting, and after the inital infodumps even that is being pushed into the background.

>>160751918
>stopped reading at the end of the post
man you must be some sort of genius or something

also OP is a retard for forgetting Ilya and Iri

>>160752024
>The real reason was the intensive struggle where every character gave their all for the goal, all placed inside a fascinating take on classic fantasy
No I'm pretty sure it was naked Saber/waifus. It's not like F/SN has a good plot or anything.

>>160752024
Fate never really were about the heroic spirits. It was an eroge about idealism vs reality, the setting of the holy grail war was nothing but a means of showing how Shirous conflict would last against a future version of himself while making the setting more intresting. If you think about it, without those themes the setting is dumb as fuck. Fate Zero was that times equivalent of a fucking fanfiction.

>>160752240
My point being, Fate never was anything else but an intresting fan-pandering VN. Zero is the show you should be critizising for being non "fate-esque".

>>160750742

Carnival Phantasm was the only good thing to come out of fate senpai.

>>160752024
>Even the hidden identity wasn't just a strategical prudence, but a way for the viewer of discovering the character (pun unintended) before the reveal of which historical/fictional figure they represent.
>They don't even bother to hide their origns, just "Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!".
Siegfried did, at least. It's also a thing in Extra, and FGO finally brought it back in the latest chapters

>>160752024
Spotted the secondary.

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>>160750742
This is why anytime I write a fanfiction I explicitly change names and introduce other universal rules so that shit doesn't get retarded (more than it usually would be for fanfic'ing)

>>160752395
>It's also a thing in Extra
What? No, it's not. Have you even played Extra? This only really happens with one or two outliers, like Gawain. They're the exception, not the example. Most servants, including your own servant, keep their identity hidden.

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>>160750742
Strong and thick dragon dick

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>>160752024
dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap and beats bad guys with it. It's that serious of a story and basically disney tier with sex scenes

>>160752647
But that's exactly what I was saying
That Extra and the latest FGO chapters have you trying to figure out the Servants identities

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>>160750742
We see no problem with this

Reminder Astolfo and Sieg ruined the series. Should have been about Ruler walking around doing Ruler things or Mordred and her new dad.

>>160750742
The worst part is, the shit characters in this shit are considered "canon". An amateur forever ruined heroes like Siegfried and villains like Mordred by giving them a shit design and shit personality, and that amateur's mistakes are considered canon now. There will never be a better version of a cool hero like Seigfried.

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>>160750742

Wow, but that Isn't FSN.
No name kid randomly gets involved in a magic war, randomly meets a super mage killer who helped him, randomly got a super magic item from super mage killer, randomly got revived by super magic item given by super mage killer, randomly change origin because of super magic item given by super mage killer. All that's left was the turning into a heroic spirit and shit, but you've got magical arm transplanting in the other routes, so it's not that different. Also, literally dies by turning into swords too.
Fate was also filled with stupidly convenient events as well.

F/SN fags are the cancer of /a/.

>>160752868
You put that in the same category as Siegfried. You do know he just announces his name before fighting Karna in anime, right? Karna does the same. He just announces his name. Astolfo was about to announce his name before fighting Berserker of Red. This is not the same as how it in Extra, so you putting them together confused me.

>>160752024
>The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets.
I thought the whole point of them being summoned was because a bunch of humans wanted to kill them in a sacrificial ritual.

>>160753108
>You do know he just announces his name before fighting Karna in anime, right?
Yeah, I forgot about that. He doesn't do it in the LN, which is why I said that. Siegfried keeping his identity hidden was a pretty important plot point

>>160753079
>No name kid randomly gets involved in a magic war, randomly meets a super mage killer who helped him, randomly got a super magic item from super mage killer, randomly got revived by super magic item given by super mage killer, randomly change origin because of super magic item given by super mage killer.
THE only random part of that is the kid's identity though. There's no randomness involved in the rest of it.

He didn't randomly meet a super mage killer. That super mage killer was desperately looking for someone to save. It was that desperation, not randomness. He didn't randomly get Avalon. That was given to him by that mage killer to save him, because that's what the mage killer does. There's no randomness involved in this. He didn't randomly revive. He revived with Avalon's effects, which had been made clear in Arthurian Legends centuries ago. Again, nothing random. The only random part was that the identity of the kid Kiritsugu saves. It could've been anyone, but it was Shirou. And that randomness doesn't really matter. The boys identity doesn't matter.

>>160753079
You forgot "getting the perfect counter to the greatest Heroic Spirit through a series of coincidences".

>>160752747
> dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap

Shirou had magic from the beginning lol

> and basically disney tier with sex scenes

just read the Realta Nua version then, you fucking secondary

>>160753697
> one reality where he manages to actually face off against him
> countless where he just dies miserably

k

>>160752138
>+80h long novel
>retards only focus on the less than 2 hours of naked wiafus

>>160750742
Did you forget Irisviel is an homunculus as well?

>>160753957
collecting cgs is the best part
stories are for sjws anyway

>>160750742
Fate was always pretty weak 2bh.
Zero just upped the popularity with its over the top animations. Now it's being milked for all it's worth

>>160754160
As far as I remembered noone object to irisviel get turn to grail, not saber not her family not her husband.

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>>160753697
>Greatest Heroic Spirit
>It's been 13 years since release
>Gilfags are STILL butthurt
This can't be true

>>160756184
>My noble phantasm's ability is that it NEVER misses
>Misses
Every time

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>>160756350
> one has the ability to manipulate causality
> the other can outright defy fate
> she still gets hit and seriously injured, just doesn't get killed

fuck off
inb4 "Archer vs Lancer"

the thrown version is just a glorified homing missile

>>160753836
>> dumb teenager gets magic dropped onto his lap
>Shirou had magic from the beginning lol

...you're proving his point.

>>160757123
I thought his point was "hurr asspull powerups"

>>160753203
>five year old can't distinguish plot from theme

>>160757123
No he isn't Shirou literally had to almost die for weeks before the story before he could use magic. The exact opposite of what that anon was saying.

Basically, they were completely wrong.

>>160752024
This.

>>160756941
>> the other can outright defy fate
Fancy way of describing a plot device.

>>160757123
>>160759463
Will you faggots learn how to greentext properly? It's bad enough that half the thread uses it for maymay arrows instead of actually quoting, but having two arrows in a quote is just fucking retarded.

>>160759463
> plot device

honestly
you have no idea what that word means, you just wanted to sound smart, didn't you?M

>>160760106
>>2052 - 7*5
>>not using double arrows
>>actually quoting what was said
>I hope you don't seriously do this.

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>>160750742
so when does her slutty sister show up?

>>160752928
Dont bully Diarmuid

>>160761381
Thanks for demonstrating why you don't use double arrows.

>>160761889
>>>/youcan'ttellmewhattodo/

>>160750742
Sieg sure isn't as compelling as Iri and Ilya, and that they made him basically the Shirou of Apocrypha doesn't help either.
His romance with Jeanne also ends basically the same way as Saber's.

>>160763941
The fact that protagonist of Apo is EVERYTHING that secondaries mischaracterize Shirou as, but without the complexity and depth Shirou actually had, does not help. Also trying to make trying to make Jeanne into Discount-Saber.

>>160764048
Why even make Jeanne the Saber wannabe when they had Mordred?
You'd think the child of the original Saber would make for a more interesting main female.

>>160764219
Because Mordred is an edgy actual faggot who murdered her own father and destroyed his kingdom because she was a selfish and retarded little bitch. Not really heroin material. More fitting for the villain.

>>160764469
That's the thing though, Artoria was also not exactly a good person in life and that shit treatment was what caused all the suffering in the first place and in the end Mordred and Artoria killed each other.
I'd think it would make for a compelling arc to have her grow out of Artoria's shadow and that whole past, so same like Artoria.

Grand/Order has an event where Artoria and Mordred had a Father(female)/Son(female) moment.

>>160764048
MALfag Detected
hello FAI

>>160764219
Don't encourage the shitposter, its just a copypasta from MAL shitposts

>>160764671
>Artoria was also not exactly a good person in life
Where did you even get that from? She was the King of Knights, the most chivalrous thing in existence. She was as "good" as they get. She wasn't hated, she was respected by her people and fellow Knights of the Round Table. Everyone looked up to her.

As for Mordred's bitchitude being a "compelling arc" material, MAYBE as a villain. Again, not heroin material, someone who a good guy protagonist is supposed care about. Virtually anything and everything can be "compelling" if handled correctly, but everything can't be made to fit in any role.

why the hell do people keep falling for Fai copypastas?

>>160764829
Yet her status as king, as well as her pride, made her reject Mordred as her child and when the affair between Lancelot and Gwynevere came out her personal feelings on the matter were that she was happy for them but her duty as king had her condemn them.

>>160765237
And? Are you saying she did something "wrong"? Mordred was kind of not her child. She was conceived using her seed, but with magic and deceit. She didn't even know she had a child. When one of your subjects suddenly show up claiming they're your heir, yet you don't remember ever having one, you likely aren't going to hand over your kingdom. That's being retarded. And it's bad for the kingdom as well, giving rule to someone like Mordred.

As for the Lancelot, she did what she had to as a king. That was not her choice. It was her duty. No one objected when she married Guinevere, but later, Lancelot came out and claimed he wanted to fuck her. That's not Arturia's fault. The one in wrong here is Lancelot and Guinevere. Either don't get married with the king of your kingdom, and if you do, don't fuck someone else. But Arturia, being the nice girl she was, let them. They got caught and suffered consequences. That's not her fault. She fulfilled her duty as both the king and a friend.

By your logic, Arturia would've been a better person and a better king had she handed over her kingdom to a random person claiming to her kid, and if she had forgiven the queen, the lady with the highest position in the kingdom, fuck another man after she was married to Arturia. Basically, she would be "good" if she handed her kingdom to random, unqualified people and if she forgave a crime committed by the queen, the one who must set example for all the women in their kingdom.

>>160764829
Saber in her life was pretty much a female version of Kiritsugu, having sacrificed entire villages and cities for greater good of winning her wars.

>>160752024
I agree with you anon but the truth is: sex sells

the series was favorable for it's story, but we can't deny that a LARGE part of the reason it sold is because japanese otaku all have a blonde girl fetish

so now that they know what the fans want they'll keep pandering to me with sex

>>160765718
Mordred was a member of the Round Table. So hardly some rando.

And in the end Mordred's shit boils down to wanting to be noticed by daddy.

>>160766459
There is nothing "sex" about Takeuchi's old art though. The original release didn't even have voice acting either. Nor did it have the "Last Episode" pandering ending, Saber just dies under a tree and that's it. Yet it still sold extremely well.

>>160766844
And so was a literal assassin sent to kill Arthur. Getting on the Round Table was practically a joke. It was based more on skill and less on loyalty and wisdom, or pretty much anything a king would need. 1/3 of the members there wanted Arthur dead.

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>>160750742
>Also this piece of shit is so full of plot hole even more than fucking Carnival Phantasm.
>Carnival Phantasm
>Plot holes

>>160752024
Dang man I didn't actually know idiots took this tripe seriously

>The whole point of these entities summoned to the world lies in enacting their system of beliefs, the perspective of omnipotent wish bringing out their own flaws and regrets.

It has never been about this and this post only outs you as the dipshit Zerofag you are. Nasu's Fate has always, ALWAYS been about the bland shonen protagonist fighting against or alongside legendary heroes. It's possibly the single biggest waste of a setting in all of fiction.

I mean why the fuck do you think Nasu made an extremely contrived reason for King Arthur to be a teenage girl? Because it really ties well into the themes of the plot?

>>160750742

>single life of homunculus so important
Because that homunculus is the Grail, the other are mass-produced clones. You skip the first episode?

>>160767342
Nice shitpost. Saber, at her core, was a pretty deep character. There are parallels drawn between Saber and Shirou with their obsession with matching an unrealistic standard (being a superhero/being the king England deserves) and Saber's backstory shows that trying to become that person ultimately destroyed her. She's remembered as one of the greatest legends of all time but she was never truly happy her entire life, and millennia after her death her only wish is still that someone else would've pulled the sword from the stone because she wasn't good enough. And it plays into one of the central themes of the Arthurian mythos, which is of Arthur as an ideal.

best girl

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>>160766043
doing that during wartime, doesn't make her Kiritsugu

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>>160750742
Astolfo>>>>>>>>>>>slut of Orleans

>>160768226
"Chivalry" or "Honor" are not the defining traits of Saber. Saber is an interesting character because behind that exterior she built for herself, there IS a person. Fate route explores it, while Zero uses it as an excuse to have a "chivalrous" character for Urobuchi to rant on so Memeskandar can look better.

>>160767863
But the legend of Camelot is the legend of losers.

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>>160766043
Mordred is Retarded.

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>>160750742
>>160750742
That should be remove Jeanne

Astolfo and Sieg had a good thing going on, and now Jeanne is showing up out of nowhere and trying to break the two apart. That’s called homewrecking.

>>160752024
I feel like this is a shitpost, but you are right. Fate got popular because it was an in depth and oftentimes I trospective study on the ideals of heroism and how they conflict with happiness. The servants and power levels were largely just a backdrop to enable Shirou's story to be told.

The shift to focus on servant pandering with waifus like EXTELLA and F/A is truly a low point of the franchise.

>>160752305
Zero at least stuck to the central theme of heroism and how pursuing it to the extreme is inhumane. Apocrypha is pure pander.

>>160768910
a dumb chuuni womanchild

>>160768703
Only after other writers got hold of it. The original British 'Historia Regum Britanniae' was just 12 volumes of Britain taking names. Mordred wasn't even Arthur's son, he was his Nephew. It was the fucking French whp got hold of the Legend and introduced shit like Arthur getting cucked by Lancelot and Mordred now being Arthur's son.

The myth went from BRITAIN FUCK YEAR to Britain's greatest King cant stop other people fucking his Queen. Bunch of jellymad frogs.

>>160768946
It's as if the author realized how intimate he made Sieg and Astolfo originally and is replacing it with Jeanne since the relationship was pretty underdeveloped for the end game. Jeanne spent an inordinate amount of time being jealous of their closeness.

>>160768946
Friendly reminder that the meme
>SABER WAS A SHIT KING AND A BAD RULER AND EVERYONE HATED HER
is perpetuated by retards and EOPs with no understanding of the story. Every single knight you see throughout the series constantly say they look up to Saber and would die for her at a moments notice. Lancelot, arguably the knight which caused her the most grief in the stories, gets Btfo by the other knights in FGO and admits deep down he still loves her. Mordred also realizes she was just being a little bitch.

>>160769070
>The shift to focus on servant pandering with waifus like EXTELLA and F/A is truly a low point of the franchise

It's weird someone would wait until Apoc and Extella to throw the pandering term out there. Hollow Ataraxia and Prisma Ilya did more damage than Extella and Apoc ever could. One was a slice of life VN sequel that was nothing but pandering. And the other just used the series name to have cute little girls kissing each other.

Pandering in Fate is old hate at this point.

>>160767113
So I'm a cute grill? Cool.

>>160769337
The focus of FHA is not on servant pandering no matter how hard you try to retroactively meme it into existence. And I chose EXTELLA because the Extra verse literally has the player character a selfinsert so by default the emphasis is purely on the servants. EXTELLA just happened to be when the entire thing fell apart with bad writing that it comes across as a fanfiction.

But yes I agree Prisma is also trash, at least until Shirou gets screen time again.

>>160768910
Mordred is cute.

>>160769337
>HA
>did damage

Shit taste

>>160768910
Cats a best

>>160753052
What are you talking about? Jack the Ripper alone proves that wrong. There's the loli assassin in Apocrypha and the literal collective entity of murder Berserker from Strange Fake

>>160769625
Because they're not the same servant. Since Jack's identity was never revealed, the Strange Fake Jack has no identity. It's an idea summoned as a servant, not a character, while loli Jack is the real Jack. What Jack really was. The Berserker Jack is what people thought he was.

>>160769471
>Extra verse literally has the player character a selfinsert


Only GO has a blank selfinsert.

Extra's MC has a defined personality what with the ridiculous amounts of internal monologues .

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>>160769324
Lancelot, arguably the knight which caused her the most grief in the stories, gets Btfo by the other knights in FGO and admits deep down he still loves her.

didn't we alredy know that from F/0, where Lancelot's source of madness was that he held himself responsible for the Battle of Camlann and wished to be punished by Saber.

>>160769471
>The focus of FHA is not on servant pandering

Shoto Gil's football hijinks?
Fishing time with Lancer?
Cute little house wife Caster?
Almost every moment with the servants was spent in fan service. Well, may not Archer, who spent the entire game shooting at you from a sky scraper.

Medusa was the only the servant in Ataraxia who wasn't waifu'd and was given some actual meaningful development with all those flashbacks of her sisters.

Everyone else just had slice of life comedy moments. It wasn't a bad thing, it was entertaining. But it was mostly made up of pool scenes, cooking scenes and little romantic "what ifs" between the human girls.

>>160769821
Even the individual genders of Hakuno/Hakunon have distinct personalities with FemHakuno being way more cocky and aloof than MaleHakuno.

>>160753052
>Mordred

Takeuchi made her a long time before this so she was fucked from the start.

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>>160769337
> HA
it fleshes out, otherwise shit characters from the original VN like Medusa and Caster.
plus the new characters are pretty neat too.

> Prisma

at least it doesn't take itself too seriously. it's a magical girls show in the T-M setting, with some very cool fights.
true it has some loli fanservice, but only the anime goes obscenely overboard with it.

>>160769337
>Hollow Ataraxia
Spotted the brainlet. It's a better executed story than FSN.

>>160770039
>at least it doesn't take itself too seriously.

Well it DIDN'T, not until 3rei. 3rei went full OW THE EDGE even before the year of the ShiroBoat. The only good thing from 3rei was Erika.

>>160770147
Flashback arc of 3rei is a better version of HF so no.

>>160769324
It's just a result of people misunderstand the Banquet of Kings and Berserker's role in Zero. It was stated quite clearly that she did a good job leading people. When Rider and Gil shit on Saber, it's not because she did a bad job leading, it's because her attitude and lifestyle didn't sit well with them. Berserker didn't hate her because she was a shit king, in fact, he hated himself because of what he did.

People somehow manage to misunderstand something stated quite clearly and end up thinking Saber was a shit king.

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>>160768558
I agree with the notion that Butcher fucked up Saber's character in Zero.

but letting people die, because you have a war to fight, isn't really comparable to the autistic shit Kiritsugu pulls.

like killing a cripple because there's a 0.01% chance that he's going to get a new set of Command Spells and continue a fight, even though he's completely broken mentally and physically as well.

>>160769324
If she wasnt a whit king why the fuck did everyone die then huh? Shes a shit dad/mom and also a shit king/queen on par with the god emperor in the horus heresy, and the catch is she doesnt even need to change anything britain turns out fucking fine. It goes on to create a glohal empire and bring about the birth of america like really.

>>160769836
THose scenes are part of the overarching thematic point and important to the main story. Ending would not have half the impact it does if not for them.

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>>160770180
>Flashback arc of 3rei is a better version of HF so no.

>>160770241
Dumb phone poster.

>>160770405
The flashback arc in prillya basically takes what works in HF and removes all the awful contrived nonsense and cooking scenes. It portrays Shirou who went through similar things to HF Shirou but still remains interesting and understandable. It portrays Sakura and Shirou actually having a bond beyond sex and Sakura having actual inner conflict. And the reason why Shirou sheds away his ideals is far less rushed and far more grounded than what happens in HF because the narrative actually focuses on that bond - you see his conflict grow, you see him warm up to having a sister, you see his conflict with what Kiritsugu represents, you see him slowly lose everything he has till only one thing remains, etc. AND there's no magical fix-it-all at the end of an arc.

>>160753957
Just waifus in general, not specifically on porn

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>>160770597
So hot

>>160770886
She's mine besides she prefers old men more

>>160770918
What about blonde girls?

>>160767011
>1/3 of the members there wanted Arthur dead.
Initially. Then, they literally all get converted to seibafags. See: Aggravain

>>160771134She only finds out she doesn't mind in the fate route!

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>>160770587
> and cooking scenes

meme

> It portrays Sakura and Shirou actually having a bond beyond sex

it's not as if Sakura's been an important person to Shirou for years before even the HGW

> And the reason why Shirou sheds away his ideals is far less rushed and far more grounded than what happens in HF

it takes like 2/3 of the route, til Shirou abandons his ideal for good (killing Sakura himself towards the end)

this fate is fucking garbage

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>>160771212
Another reason why Fate is best

Could Stay Night Cu beat Stay Night Gil if he hadn't been nerfed by his Command Seal?

>>160771623
No

>>160771623
Nope. While he could theoretically deflect projectiles from GoB with Protection From Arrows, it doesn't defend against AoE's or super-long range attacks. He's also very susceptible to Enkidu, since he has high Divinity.

>>160769836
>Forgetting Lancer's backstory
>Forgetting that Medea wasn't Shirou's waifu but Kuzuki's
>Forgetting Gil's scenes were mostly plot relevant.

>>160767177
Episode 6 did have some egregiously out of character moments, at the very least.

>>160770587
>No manly fist fight with Kirei
Not as good as HF/10

>>160771786
Shinji trolling people on the Internet is perfectly in character

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Will she ever be relevant again?

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>>160772075
Fate route rewrite, if it ever happens ;_;

>>160770587
>Sakura having actual inner conflict
She's literally the character with the most internal conflict other than Shirou. It's obvious that you're just meming without even having read HF.

>>160771906
Sakura punching people kind of isn't, though.

>>160772203
>Servants
>People

This is the future you chose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJMYZ142ps

>>160773066
You say that like the Wacky Races episode of Carnival Phantasm isn't the greatest work of Type-Moon's entirety.

>>160773066
Is this a Podracing reference?

>>160752024
Welcome to Fate. You think all of it is as great as Zero, but it isn't. Anything past Zero is just bottom of the barrel waifu pandering trash, apart from Strange Fake, so go read that.

>>160773066
Why the fuck does Nero have such gigantic tits? Actually, what's wrong with her proportions in general? She seems much taller/older than she should.

>>160773660
> Strange Fake and Zero being better than the original VN because "muh waifu pandering"

get the fuck out secondary trash

>>160752024
The only thing that actually mattered in F/SN was Shirou's internal struggle.

Of all the characters only 3 had any real depth or relevance and they were Shirou, Archer, and Kirei. It was the struggle between these three characters and the ideas of Realism, Idealism, and Escapism that drove the entire story's message.

If you didn't get this when reading HF, which was fucking ham fisted about it, you're a retard.

>>160774046
Sound more like a fujo to me

>>160774746
Exactly this anon gets it. HF is a deconstruction of UBW

>>160774895
>>160774746
To go even farther there is literally an hour long section where Kirei explains the concept of the Anti-hero. If a character literally explaining to you the message of the story, for over an hour, isn't enough I don't fucking know what is.

>>160773066
We chose well

>>160773807
This is one of the few times she's not being drawn by Wada.

>>160773381
The opening shot is basically identical to the Boonta Eve stands from Episode 1

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>>160752024
>Hey there, I'm this guy please check the wiki to see any of my potential weaknesses, nice to meet you!
Funny but true

>>160752024
Nailed it.

The best part was always the mystery and intrigue around each character. Now it's pandering garbage for whales.

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>>160773066
Now if only we had that event in the NA server.

>>160776325

Please keep your asinine shitposting in the /vg/ general where it belongs.

>>160753915
Don't forget
>One reality where he actually faces off against him and it ends in a tie because he runs out of mana

>>160755566
Kerry objected to it multiple times, but "Muh wish for world peace" trumped his love for Irisviel, and she supported that. Saber seemed to act like she didn't know Irisviel was the grail host

>>160763941
Depends, Saber wasn't possessing a random French girl. There's still the potential for sloppy seconds love story with her

>>160764829
It states in the VN that Artoria often chose to conduct scorched earth tactics on one village to remove resources from enemy armies to save a dozen more. This made her look like a bad guy to her fellow knights who wanted to save ALL villages

>>160767113
What I wouldnt give to be as cute as Gudako

>>160750742
I feel like F/A tried too hard to be fate/zero, with the focus spread among many characters and new outlook on the grail war. Obviously they completely missed the ideology clashing that made F/Z good in the first place. It's literally just 30 characters who no one cares about trying to kill eachother

>>160777853
I feel like even if it fell flat, it'd be better if it DID focus more on the characters no one cares about trying to kill each other, rather than the bland homunculus

>>160773066
>F/GO meets Redline

Yes fucking please.

Caster Nito is fucking cute

>>160753038
Fuck you, Astolfo is good.

>That one time Chuchu Train gets summoned and is actually good enough to take out not one, but two servants, one by himself
>Ironically doesnt have his Gay Bulge for that summons
>Complains the whole time about being weaker without it.

Why is Chuchu Train retarded?

>>160750742
> Carnival Phantasm
> plot holes
Do you not know what fun is? Also who in their right mind ever took Fate seriously and wasn't autistic?

>>160752747
medusa was always supposed to be hot as fuck

dummy not knowing greek mythos

>>160780043
Pre-Cursed Medusa was supposed to be hot as fuck. Gorgon Medusa not so much

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>>160780125
>implying you wouldn't fuck this

>>160780145
I'm not a Scalie, so no

>>160780011
That's the joke anon. That something like CP makes more sense despite being a fun silly hijinks comedy thingy than a dreck like Apocrypha.

>>160752747
>It's a Zero secondary whining about MUH MATURE FATE
Every single time

>>160769836
This. It was a fandisk with a plot in the background, like Kagetsu Tohya before it.

He's not wrong. This was the moment Type-Moon realized instead of trying they could just churn out lazy Fate shit and it would print money. Now Nasu doesn't do anything despite F/GO being the most profitable game IP and developer in Japan. Their musou was even cheaper and shittier than your average no-effort musou but it sold better than them thanks to UMU UMU UMU

>>160768558
>>160770238
You guys do realize that Zero was co-written by Nasu and Urobuchi right? Nasu didn't give Urobuchi the reigns of the story. He co-wrote it, so Saber's role and characterization in Zero falls in line with how Nasu intended it to.

The only thing Nasu shot down from Urobuchi was Kariya's original death scene, which Nasu thought was so over the top and cruel that he forced Butcher to change it. It's unknown how Butcher originally wrote the scene, but it was enough to piss off Nasu and make him ask "WHAT COLOR IS YOUR BLOOD?!"

>>160780426
>Kariya's original death scene
Now I really wanna know about that.

Maybe he fuck aoi or even sakura before drop dead?

>>160770039
>at least it doesn't take itself too seriously

It didn't. Now it does, except Hiroyama can't write original content for shit so he's just doing his DonutSteel version of HF, minus the whole "suspense" part because he just gives everyone magic beam superpowers that completely kill any "how will they get out of this" interest.

By shooting beams and giving trite meaningless friendship speeches, that's how. It's funny/sad that what started as a Nanoha parody became exactly the thing it was riffing on.

>>160780426
>Too over the top and cruel

Shoulda kept it in then. Wouldve been better than, "Saber kills Lancelot, this causes Kariya to stroke out from the sudden cutting off from his Servant by the mana worms in his body"

>>160780426
That doesn't preclude Saber's character getting fucked up

>>160770587
>It portrays Shirou who went through similar things to HF Shirou but still remains interesting and understandable

It portrays a copypaste of Shirou with amped up superpowers for fanservice and fast-tracks the excruciating moral dilemma part, thus robbing it of all punch. It's the Michael Bay version of his character.

>AND there's no magical fix-it-all at the end of an arc.

Holy shit, you're delusional. That's because the arc hasn't ended. This is going to end just like every other arc has ended: either with Illya shooting a beam REALLY HARD with her awesome innate magic powers that trivialize everything and have none of the grit of Shirou staggering to a victory while bleeding out his ass, or with a cliffhanger so Hiroyama can postpone actually delivering on something like he's been doing for years.

>>160780707
>it's going to end like this because I say so!
Not him but you are pathetic. And even the typical Prisma ending would be less of an asspull than HF True.

>>160750742
>Inability to make a proper sentence
>Inability to make a valid point
>made a thread just to get validated for his poorly-informed opinion.

You take anime too seriously, unlike your studies. get off the internet and study up for the coming school year, kid. Once you've graduated high school, you'll be of legal age to use the site, and might have actually learned how English works.

Go, now. Go before you make your parents cry again.

Just remember, according to Archimedes, none of this matters. Its all pointless drivel in the grand scheme of the seemingly countless parallel timelines that eventually die off anyways because theyve diverged too far from the original.

All hail Velber

>>160780426
>He co-wrote it

He was part of the planning, not the entire script. Stop trying to whitenight Urobuchi's fuckups.

FSN starts with Saber casually vivisecting Archer for no other reason than because he was a servant and within range, and then proceeding to try and kill Rin because she was a Master. She has lines that she won't cross like attacking civilians, and she feels she has to return Kojirou's gesture of revealing his name, but a huge part of her characterization is that she knew damn well how to be utilitarian.

The Banquet of Kings is probably the biggest pile of nonsense because it's all turned into a stage for someone who has nothing to do with the other two, and basically ends the discussion by shouting really hard.

>>160753052
I like Siegfried and Mordred in Apocrypha. However, I do not yet understand the charm of Sieg.

>>160780779
It's going to end like that because that's how everything Hiroyama has written has ended. I'm not sure what makes you believe he can write literally anything of worth when trying to be serious, he has never done so. Go ask /fgog/ what happened when he tried to do something besides rehashing something Nasu had already done.

Whoever is in charge of explosion sounds should be fired.

>>160752487
This whole fucking thread is secondaries and prudes who are terrified of sex. Fate/Zero really was a fucking mistake.

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>>160780779
> Third Magic is materialization of the soul
> that's the actual "prize" of the HGW
> Zouken needs Illya to perform the ceremony
> Illya has the strongest bond with Shirou in this route
> "hurr muh asspull"

could the UBWfags leave pls?

>>160750742
>Re:ddit spacing
>Blog posting
>Dissing Carnival Phantasm with nonsense
>That English
Why is this allowed?

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>>160781449
Quality post

>>160779382
Because, he really is fucking weaker without it. It's just that some of that protagonist Luck rubbed off on him. Taking it objectively, he's a better Lancer than a Caster, but in F/SN, he was just dealt dogshit after dogshit. First, his good master was killed and replaced by a worse one, second, he got a Command Seal that made him hold back immensely, and third, almost every single fucking Servant had some kind of method of not getting killed by Gae Bolg.

Saber had immense luck
Archer had his BS
Rider is shit 90% of the time and doesn't matter
Caster is holed up in the fucking temple, protected by
Assassin, who's more autistic than Shirou at using swords, and in a place where he can't fucking activate Gae Bolg
Berserker is obvious.
And Gilgamesh, see above

What point did Apocrypha split from the original timeline, cause unless stealing the grail changed the rules or they all be dead, shouldn't there be one person representing one of the three mage families that are always selected in the grail wars.

>>160781740
>three mage families

lol this is not even fuyuki anymore nothing make sense here.

>>160752024
I mean, I do agree in part.
It bugged the FUCK out of me that fucking ACHILLES, one of the heroes in mythology with one of the most well-known weaknesses would just go and say "HEY I'M ACHILLES"

>>160781657
Caster Chuchu Train beat Archer by himself in First Order. Granted, Archer didnt use UBW, but still

>>160781740
Not even that, wouldn't the Grail still be corrupted by Angry Manjew?

>>160781800
wait so the three mage family thing is only relevant if the grail is summon in one specific location?

>>160781740
Did you skip the infodump from episode 1? The Greater Grail was stolen from Fuyuki by Yggdmillennia. The three families are shit out of luck in this timeline.

And the main split of the timeline is Einzberns summoned Ruler Amakusa Shirou instead of Avenger Angra Mainyu during the 3rd War.

>>160781826
So? He beat Archer in UBW as well.

Can Prisma fags just admit that you're kids who just go crazy for flashy bullshit? Time and again when asked to explain what is supposedly so great about Prisma, it boils down to "This one can project DIVINE CONSTRCUTS ZOMG" or other some parameter-based nonsense.

Hiroyama basically just amped everyone's power so they can "show off" more (at the expense of the whole "Underdog having to bleed for every accomplishment" appeal) and called it a day before doing a search-and-replace of HF with the names switched out and everything rushed. That is literally all he did, and the only recurring argument for why this is good is the "It's flashier."

And this is all skipping the fact that he has literally never concluded an Arc since Zwei started. Never. It's always a cliffhanger leading into something else so he never has to deliver. He just keeps stalling by bringing out ANOTHER DIMENSION, SAKURA LANCELOT, A MOONCELL-LOOKING CUBE and so on. He has never actually concluded a story, so any faith that he can do it even remotely well comes from thin air. I mean, he did co-write one story that had a conclusion, but you really don't want to bring that one up to defend it.

>>160781842
Angry Manjew was never summoned in this timeline.

>>160781801
>>160752024
To be fair, they only do that in the anime. In the manga, Achilles and Siegfired make it an extreme point to hide their identity. Chiron knows its Achilles because he was his fucking teacher in life

>>160781903
Oh okay.

>>160781865
Not really. Archer basically gives him the sympathy win so he can chase after Shriou in the church

>>160770587
Actually, the way I see, that's how the Illya route for FSN was going to be like if Nasu had the time.

>>160781864
admit might of glossed over the first episode a little, probably should re watch it.
Although the act of being chosen as a monster seems a tad bit confusing since times it seems like it is completely random, others it seems like you can plan out who will participate in advance

>>160781964
Dude, Archer was on the defensive the entire time, and he got out of it with a mangled arm, while Cu was fresh as a daisy. There's no way you can just say that Archer gave him a sympathy win. It's not that he didn't use UBW, it's that he couldn't use it, being under the immense pressure that Lancer was throwing at him.

I'm an Archerfag as well, but what you're saying is just kinda stupid.

>>160781964
>>160782088
>a mangled arm
And no mana left, forgot to mention that.

>>160750742
>Also I really really hate how this show make a single life of homunculus so important which disregard anything fate series had established.
Yeah, just like how they make a single life of a human so important in F/SN. Oh wait.

>>160750742
I dont get it, why /a/ is hating this show? is it a new meme?

>>160782212
Not really new. From what I can tell, some people who like Zero thought that a lack of Shirou would mean that the show would focus on being a battle royale with Servants, but it pretty much ended up being like F/SN without the depth and like twice the cast.

>>160769722
Loli Jack isn't the real Jack, she's one of the 'possible' Jacks - someone whose MO fit the original killer, but might not be the one responsible for the famous killings. There's a different 'possible' Jack for every Class.

>>160782278
>historical characters and their masters fighting for some prize

I dont see anything deep on that. Isnt it just a battle royale? only watched the first 2 episodes and sent to backlog

>>160782394
Maybe you shouldn't try to talk about stuff you haven't actually watched, retard

>>160782394
>only watched the first 2 episodes
Then you know nothing yet my dude.

The annoying bunch come after that.

>>160782394
Basically, the whole setting you described is the backdrop for Shirou's development, and it particularly focuses on the idea of being a hero, and the consequences of that, with each route of the VN taking a different stance on it. The whole war is secondary to that, from a narrative perspective.

>>160782059
The particularities of who is selected to be a Master has always been pretty vague. It always seems to come down to the Grail first picking anyone who knowingly wants to be a Master, and then, if numbers aren't filled out, it'll randomly pick anyone who would have a reason to participate.

>>160780553
>this post
Did you even F/Z?

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>>160750742
Vive la France!

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>>160769836
>Well, may not Archer, who spent the entire game shooting at you from a sky scraper.

>>160782394
Shirou Kotoni controls 6 Servants and transformed 6 masters into zombies.

>>160782617
Yes. And they werent cruel enough to Kariya. He required more bullying.

>>160782883
Lancelot didn't lose causing Kariya to die; Kariya ran out of mana which led to Lancelot losing

>>160781869
I'm not going to lie, i like Prisma because it gave me some Bazett spotlight

>>160773066
We picked the right path.

>>160770241
Shit parent =/= shit king.

She told Mordred to fuck off because she was too perfect of a King - she didn't allow herself to show any weakness.

>>160769836
Cu and Medea also had flashbacks of their lives

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>>160769836

everything with lancer was gold

>>160783402
She's a shit parent and king because of that civil war.

>>160752024
This is basically correct

However I think it's simpler, Fate got popular because the grail war concept was chuuni as fuck but still cool.

But the more meme servants we get that aren't anything like history or legend, we lose that unique chuuni cool factor and instead it's just generic anime chuuni trappings

>>160782976
He still stroked out because of the sudden loss of mana from the crest worms, which wasnt nearly that cruel of a death as he couldve gotten. If anything, his afterdeath was more cruel

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>>160783466
What you have to love about Coocoocachoo is how he never gives a fuck about literally anything.

>>160782212
To be honest, its just a small group of dedicated webshit shitposters from MAL and reddit which are progressively destroying and shitting on each Apocrypha thread with the same memes, shitposts and copypastas from MAL and reddit posts, and old threads every day.
Just ignore them and move on.

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>>160783799
Waiting for the voice patch is torture.

Around Episode 8 this is gonna turn into The Adventures of Sieg the Dragon Sue.

If you continue watching after this you are automatically part of ISIS.

>>160783841
But Apro is really bad so far, and for the people who finished the LN. You can't just ignores those arguments.

>>160784108
>Siegdrones can't ignore the truth
That's literally the hallmark of a Siegdrone. That and being underage.

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i can´t wait for this anime turn trash
i fucking keked with the off charisma with sieg
jeanne pussy idiot and the trap stupid
KEK

>>160768226
How is anything kiritsugu does not "during wartime"? he's a damn assassin

>>160773066
>Roman died for this

>>160784686
Dying in FGO don't mean nothing.

His servant form limited 5* is imminent.

>>160784108
>and for the people who finished the LN.
What? What?
I would like to remind you that only volumes 1, 2 and more recently 4 were done, but 3 has been unfinished for years and no one has touched 5.

You can't just ignores those arguments.

>>160784154
>Siegdrone
>anyone who disagree with me is siegfag
Nobody’s talking about Sieg

I have warned them that they always use such predictable trajectories and tend to post the same shit.

I've been curious for a while, but if everyone in Apocrypha teamed up against everyone in Strange Fake, which side would win and why?

>>160785889
Strange Fake, easily.

>>160785889
>Saber
Mordred and Siegfried > Richard
>Archer
Gil and Avenger Herc >>>> Atalanta and Chiron
>Lancer
Enkidu and Watcher >? Karna and Vlad
>Rider
Pale Rider and Hippolyta ? Achilles and Astolfo
>Assassin
Zealot and Hassan >? Semi and Jack
>Caster
Dumas and Prelati > Shakespeare and Avicebron
>Berserker
Jack and Edison > Spartacus and Fran
>Other
Ishtar ? Amakusa and Jeanne

>>160784989
Yeah after what Nasu did with cuckiara , I know that fucker has zero integrity

Flat is better shota with better Jack the Ripper.

Gudako animated when?

>>160786642
If FGO ever gets a full adaptation there will be Riyo shorts on the bluray.

>>160786540
Flat's not a shota, he looks like a bishounen to me and his age is around 20 or something.

>>160786642
why would that non-canon appear?

>>160786330
Jeanne and Shirou can pretty much force the Strange Fake Servants to commit suicide with a command seal that's how the Einzbeth won the 3rd war in Apocrypha's timeline

>>160787612
Their command seals are specific to the Servants summoned in their war. It would have no effect on the ones in another war. At best, it could be used to strengthen their side.

And Shirou doesn't have Ruler command seals anymore.

>>160787566
Shirou your coat fucking sucks

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>>160786642
>Gudako animated when?

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>>160787566
>Seibah dresses like a pious Christian girl
>Mordred is whore

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Why is she such a qt?

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>>160787612
Please anon, Einzbeth is a genius, Jeanne is extremely weak and stupid, and Shirou is autistic lunatic with an obsessive stupid desire for control and conversion like McGillis Fareed from IBO.

>>160786642
>>160787429
>>160788054
>>>/u/
nobody wants another generic and repetive Yurishit show. Yuri don't sell.

>>160788193
Too bad she has such a shit Master.

>>160788381
dumb salestard

>>160788131
Saber dresses like a grandma

>>160750742
You forgot to add "XD" at the end of your rant. It loses all credibility without it.

>>160788746
>girls are much better when they're slutting themselves in jean-bikinis with fat folds spilling out
Americans...

>>160788917
Exactly, you get me.

>>160788131
>Jeanne is supposed to be a fucking saint
>slutting herself for dragon-coq 15 minutes after meeting Sieg
This entire plot was pretty obviously written by someone who's never interacted with females outside school/work and couldn't think of them in any way besides sex toys.

I feel like I'm watching Princess Robot Bubblegum.

>>160780607
What are you talking about? Saber's character in Zero is fine.

>>160789092
Read the thread

>>160753052
I understand your pain, I'm still sad to what they did to Attila

>>160780426
>Kariya's original death scene

So him dying while Sakura is metaphorically pissing on his dead body wasn't enough? Ah, Butcher.

>>160780955
>sieg
has none
that being said i do like mordred but they havent put her in an episode in a while

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>>160787566
>>160788052
>>160788131

>>160761446
She's already appeared in her mobage game where you can fuck her in the ass and she will like it.

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>>160789507

>>160780955
>Mordred
shes just a dumb chuuni womanchild for fanservice and fap material

>knights were a bunch of manbabies who didn't realize she was cold because she loved em, and her kingdom
>nephew keeps feeding you vegetarian meals made up of only vinegar, potatoes and other veggies
>best knight just had to kill your secretary and heir
>son is a rebellious autist
>sister is an evil incestuous whore
Saber lived a hard life

>>160789003
>This entire plot was pretty obviously written by someone who's never interacted with females outside school/work and couldn't think of them in any way besides sex toys

This this this this THIS so much this.

Fucking no life hikkineet should just go write his own shitty fantasy harem LN instead.

>inb4 fate is already that

Hell no. Call fate/stay night bad all you want but it's at least not Sword art Online level bad.

Fate/Zero was a mistake because it was actually good, and now secondaries expect that the whole franchise to be as good as zero, but the thing is that Fate is just a franchise based in a bad writted eroge about a teenager getting the genderbender of a historical heroe of the past and he get the chance to fuck her and protect her with his magic swords folded 1000 times in his mind like a japanese katana.

Zero was a one hit wonder, before zero TM was dying and focusing in the movies of KnK and everyone started to forget about fate after the DEEN anime and the fiasco of ataraxia, nasus is a bad writer just like ryukishi07, he got lucky that his franchise didn't end up dying, after all urobochi was the savior of fate an.

>>160789696
This was actually kinda nice.

Needed more Archer.

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Shirou's harem

>>160789003
Wasn't the whole point of Jeanne was that she is also a farm girl who picked up a flag? At least that's what i get from GO france chapter.

Also what's with all the hate?

>>160789834
>inb4 triggered fatefags

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>>160789834

>>160789834
The sad thing is that Fate/Zero is actually good but discussing it on /a/ is impossible now because of how retarded zerofags generally are. The LN is good but the average zerofag misses half of what makes it good and all they do is shitpost "muh mature story" and try to bait other fatefags.

>>160789846
What a guy

>>160789846
*Archer's

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>>160789851
Jeanne's design is the same as for all other Kawaii moe school girls

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>>160789846
That is not new, F/SN is a genric battle harem

>>160790311
How do i read that?

>>160789834
>Fate/Zero
>it was actually good

Zero was spouting the same cynical Butcher bullshit that is passed as deconstruction over and over..

Characters who didn't personally subscribe to Butcher's brand of cynicism where shat on and being punished in really gruesome ways for trying to save others, whether it was for self-sacrificial or selfish reasons. It was same old recycled darker and edgier Butcher shit.

>>160790483
It is still leagues better than F/SN and ataraxia or anything that TM have ever produced. I still find incredible that there's people that actually readed/played tsukihime

>>160781657
Actually Archer's shield wouldn't help him against the melee version

>Fate/complete material II: Character Material - Characters: Lancer, p.070-073

Takeuchi: So, would Archer get hit?

Nasu: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.

Takeuchi: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?

Nasu: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.

Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

Nasu: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.

Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.

Nasu: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right
↑ 5.0 5.1

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>>160790311
no it's not you secondary gtfo

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FGO manga.

>>160789791
>you can fuck her in the ass and she will like it
Isn't F/GO all public?

>>160790311
Every single aspect of this post is /v/

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>>160790651
I enjoyed F/Z but comparing it to F/SN is like comparing apples and oranges.

The original was written more than ten years ago and has come a long way to become the huge monster of a franchise that it is today.

>>160790673
>people keep wanking Archer up as being able to beat everyone with prep time, when Cu manhandles the cunt like an actual hero

>>160768558
>a knight who was raised as a knight and wanted to be a knight isn't chivalrous and honorable
Fuck off.
Just because she's brainwashed to worship Shitrou's cock and suicidal doesn't mean she wouldn't act this way if she had self-estee.

>>160790901
Dengeki Hime 02/2006, Type-Moon Double Maniax - [Fate] Dream Battle - Archer vs Rider

Archer vs Rider
Editorial department (Prediction)
At long range his fire won't work against Bellerophon.
At medium range the bow is really handy, and Rider who's inferior in skill only has her Mystic Eyes.
But if Archer's bow starts to get petrified, he can activate Unlimited Blade Works.
In which case Rider will just use Bellerophon and destroy him instantly.
He can't shoot them down but Rho Aias can buy him time enough to pull out Harpe and maybe have a chance at victory.

Nasu-san CHECK!
You would think Archer would have the advantage, but Rider actually has the edge at long range? Just like that question, their compatibility is not very good. Since both aren't fixated on the methods of winning, they'd definitely both choose a low-risk and high-return type of warfare.
Even if Archer takes out a Saber-class holy sword, he doesn't have enough magical energy to draw on to maximize it, so it'd be hard to for him to attack Bellerophon. What determines victory or defeat is whether Aias on its own would be enough to block Bellerophon perhaps...?

>>160780915
Saber in FSN was a craven broken shell of herself. Did you forget she cowardly stabbed Lancelot for the Grail when he couldn't move She was broken by Zero experiences and became Grail obsessed.

>The Banquet of Kings is probably the biggest pile of nonsense
Which was asked and planned by Nasu, he told Butcher to make Saber's character about "getting bullied" by Gilgamesh and Alexander. Butcher just wanted to write Kariya suffering and Waver.

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>>160790311
This is always funny when it gets posted.

>>160791002
Saber basically wasn't fighting back against Lancelot when his identity was revealed. She only started to actually fight back when she figured she gotta change her whole past

>>160789003
>"I'm retarded. Please, fuck my face" - anon

>>160790808
She's the party bicycle. Anyone can ride her.

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>>160790694
>>160790834
>>160791019
F/SN fags are the biggest cancer on /a/ right now.

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>>160791149

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Why is Nero such a slut

>>160789829
Dude calm down your reddit is showing.

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Who /lionheart/ here?

>>160790673
>Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

Didn't this ended up being Cuzilla's NP? (Although he's technically Medb's fanfic version of Cu so it might not be part of his skillset normally)

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>>160791985
Richie is cool.

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>>160791985
How do I know if I am lionheart

>>160792165
>when we get our NP skip feature

>>160792165
Janu!

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>>160792165

>>160791798
No, anon. The radio said. You are the reddit.
And then anon was reddit.

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Superior Mordred.

Do Fatefags naturally shitpost about media they haven't consumed?

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So let me get this straight - TM decided to make a war with twice as many servants as usual. They fill it with all the big-wig servants people have been dying to see since 2006. Then they reduce the already-scarce amount of screentime EVEN FURTHER by shoehorning in a self-insert Gary Stu for all the badly-characterized girls to lust after. I think the big question here is WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WERE THEY SMOKING?

>>160750742
Kerry-fag can't type. News at 11.

>>160792658
Your pubes, anon.

>>160792658
>This is the perfect moment for me to write my own self-insert - Higashide

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So I don't get it
what is Rin doing to the Redman?

Who is worse, Higashide or Sakurai?

>>160792978
>Apocrypha
Vs
>Septem and Extella

As much as I hate Nerowank, Sieg is much much more offensive in many more levels. Nero at least was an enjoyable character once in the past in Extra in CCC and only recently has been ruined by Nerowank. Extella also had some enjoyable moments here and there too. There is barely anything redeemable in Apocrypha, and it ruins many many many more characters than Septem and Extella combined.

>>160789092
They think the King of Knights being chivalrous is out of character. They think the first wish Saber would've had after dying is was to undo literally everything, instead of trying to save her kingdom. Basically, SNfags can't accept Saber being more normal.

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>>160752024
Capped for truth.

>>160764829

Depends on which Arthur and Mordred story they use. Since Arthur isn't female, they can make up whatever shit they want, but in several tales, including le Morte d'Arthur, Mordred was a better and more liked ruler than Arthur because Mordred kept years of peace and stability while Arthur fought many wars. War was the reason he wasn't there to prevent Mordred usurping the throne.

TM obviously doesn't give one solitary fuck about their western fanbase, but someone PLEASE tell me that the nips are complaining about this garbage as much as we are.

>>160793179
In the original version of Arthurian Legends, Mordred didn't even fucking exist and the story is all about Britain dicksucking. So we can't very well use that. As far as I know, the first time Mordred appears is when a French faggot wrote it, and that Mordred was a dick. So I'm going with that. And so is Nasu, apparently.

>>160793241
>So is Nasu
Nasuverse Mordred is autistic, though

>>160793228
The nips fanbase that love SAO and other garbage high school fantasy harem would actually love this though.

>>160764829
Lancelot get off the fucking internet.

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>>160767113
>Is a cute young psychotic lesbian

My dreams have been achieved!

>>160793265
And so was the original Mordred. Incest is only wincest when there's love. There wasn't any love between Morgan and Arthur. The result was a retarded kid.

>>160793228
>PLEASE
Why would the Japs hate a reskinned F/SN?

>>160750742
you realize the piece of shit of apo was done before zero existed right? you fucking ufo secondary
>even more than fucking Carnival Phantasm
>complaining about plotholes on a joke carnival
man you're retarded

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>>160793228
The only worthwhile character according to 2chan

>>160793228
Contrary to popular belief, nips are people. Like me. Their reaction to something is usually pretty much the same as the western retards'.

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>>160752024
>>160793137
Hello, Neizaru. Now go back to MAL.

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>>160793328
Truly the El-Melon of our generation.