How do we improve the isekai genre?

>>160500115
You answered it right there, make aqua the main love interest instead of Emilia in Rezero and make Emilia the goddess instead of Aqua in Konosuba.

>>160500236
well aqua does cuter without her stupid meme hair

>>160500395
She also looks cuter when her medium sized tits are not sagging to the floor.

>>160500115
konosuba already did it

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>>160500446
Don't bully Aqua's aquas please

>>160500115
1- You can't

JUST KILL ALL WAIFUS AND HUSBANDOS

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just get more creative with the isekai concept

What if the MC gets reincarnated in another world as an animal like a hawk or mule and has to serve as the intelligent but tragically misunderstood character of the party
What if there were actually more than two interconnected worlds
What if getting summoned to another world doesn't mean you'll become the eiyuu, but a simple cook or conman instead
What if the isekai isn't always Dragon Quest-world but something alien or sci-fi instead, like in the game Another World (literally isekai)
What if we had horror isekai

It's hard to think outside the box, isn't it?

Isekai thread?

As promised. Chapter 5.

>>160501802
Fuck forgot paste.
https://pastebin.com/DZtJnGaK

isekai isn't a genre, it's just a plot device so commonly overused that retards think it is

>>160501773
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-reincarnated-into-a-vending-machine/

>>160501773
Pretty sure all of those exist and Isekai Shokudou is even airing right now

Wait til shieldbro anime airs, it's gonna save the genre

>>160501891
Oh wow, that looks retarded and fun at the same time.

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>>160500236
>There are now two people who sound like Megumin in their party

>>160501961
>muh suffering
trash

>>160502192
Go watch smartphone then.

>>160502238
even that shit is more enjoyable than shieldshit

>>160500115
Did someone try to translate the ReZero and Konosuba special novel?

>>160502344
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://lemonwater123.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/give-blessings-to-the-beautiful-maid/%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1501436208786000%26amp;usg%3DAFQjCNFTjtTGWm8_6jz03C_GbzunnZeF2Q&sa=D&ust=1501436208873000&usg=AFQjCNFiA26y-SxNmzNeDCVrHVVwT-zTjQ

It's trash and I didn't bother reading it

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>>160501961
>>160502192
This trash

>>160500236
Keep your shitty bland characters out of my konosuba.

>>160502492
Thrash translation or the novel itself?

>>160502666
Novel itself, it's written by the konosuba author if I remember correctly

>>160502666
It reads like a bad crossover fanfic.

>>160500115
you can't
Isekai is just a sub genre of fantasy that's way bigger than it should be.
it's not that the shows or concepts are bad, it's just that there are way too many of them.

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>>160502874
Ok thanks, if you say so I won't probably read it immediately

>>160502966
Well, it's not too long and I'm not sure how in-character the Konosuba characters are. Just, I sometimes read nip fanfics, and it's at that level.

>>160502966
And only one chapter is translated and it's the one with Rem in it, the Rem IF LN has 4 chapters translated so far and it's pretty good so you are better off reading that instead.

It doesn't need to be improved. It is tons of fun as is, and more WNs/LNs are on their way to being adapted.

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Why not just make a straight fantasy anime instead of doing isekai?

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Give Mushoku Tensei an anime adaption

>>160503935
It really depends on what you're trying to do. With an isekai, you're typically trying to work from an outsider's perspective and have the reader learn about the world alongside the protagonist.

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More isekai'd into different creatures and battles.

>>160501891
>reincarnated to a vending machine
fucking genius

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>>160502957
Okamoto already came with improving. In form of new sub-sub genre called "ISEXY".

>>160502572
Konosuba characters are literally archetypes and can't possibly get more bland. Just like Re:Zero in fact.

>>160505182
They're parodies of archetypes.
That's a key distinction to make.

Re:zero is bland because they're actually trying to be serious. Konosuba is actively saying "look at all of these retarded characters" constantly.

>>160503935
Isekai gives an excuse for world building. The protagonist is as much an outsider to this world as you are, so it helps to allow for world building and exposition that would feel forced if it were stuff the characters should already know.
You know the stuff I'm talking about. The MC will say, "The hundred year war?" and the tsundere noble will say, "You didn't know? The war that such-and-such waged a hundred years ago to yadda yadda yadda".
That comes off as a lot more contrived if our MC is actually from this world.
Which isn't to say that it doesn't feel forced in isekai when they do it. But it allows for more "surprises" and revelations from the protagonist's perspective, and, in theory, allows for the audience to better relate to the hero.
I prefer straight fantasy, myself.

put actual writers on them and not fanfic-tier webnovelists

also ignore the "deconstruction" fixes (Re:zero proved that deconstructed shit is still shit).

>>160503935
>>160504476
likewise the other world expertise could work as a strength for the MC.

though no Isekai was able to do it would making said expertise OP.

>>160501773
There is also an isekai butler - for the maou.

>>160501773
>What if the MC gets reincarnated in another world as an animal like a hawk or mule and has to serve as the intelligent but tragically misunderstood character of the party
so far there's a spider, dragon, cicada, Goblin, Slime, spirit that takes over pets, sword and vending machine
They don't work because they are all OP

>What if getting summoned to another world doesn't mean you'll become the eiyuu, but a simple cook or conman instead
Lot of novels has "reincarnated into an NPC" premise

The others I want to see more of.

>>160503997
That anime would be shit

-balance the damn powers don't make the MC OP that can smash anything
-no harem
-no adventure guilds either
-give the MC an actual goal
-you can have RPG elements but don't give him all the levels, items, and skills make him work for that shit from level 1
-flesh out the damn side characters, don't just make them a cheerleader squad give them goals, personalities, strengths and weaknesses that can conflict with the MC
-make a good and memorable villain
-make the setting more than just Dragon Quest

>>160505299
Yes exactly, doesn't change the fact how the characters are bland archetypes. Also doesn't help how the comedy is literally an underage magnet.

>>160506006
just make the MC an asshat. It always works.

>>160506080
>Also doesn't help how the comedy is literally an underage magnet
What a sad life you must live if you think comedy has an age limit.

>>160506119
didn't work with Re:monster

>>160504724
Manga update when?

>>160506119
because he was a boring mary sue.
I want more jerk mcs, because they are fun. Even if its a female.

>>160506119
>>160506364
I say fuck asshat MCs and just make them female MCs.

>>160500115
We don't. Let that meme genre end.

we need better isekai series like isekai smartphone, log horizon, and endride

>>160506643
Are you seriously saying that?

>>160507147
what do you mean anon?

The biggest issue with Isekai is that they will have a unique and interesting hook and start, then devolve into the same bullshit without fail. I've lost track of the number is Isekai that actually start pretty great for a few dozen chapters before devolving into the same tired, clichéd bullshit of all the others. Other fixes off the top of my head:

>if he's a loner antisocial asshole, don't make him suddenly gain a bunch of friends and/or a harem
>don't have him gain a harem/love interests for no reason unless he's canonically Chad
>if he's OP as fuck, make it interesting or funny to see him curbs top enemies to make up for the complete lack of tension
>find a middle ground between a pacifist coward faggot and a psychopathic serial killer
>if MC is going to ignore all sexual advances from women, have a good reason beyond him being a low functioning autist
>have a clear goal for the story from the outset rather than making it up as they go along, leading to a meandering and boring nothingness
>have some better writing. So many have the writing of a middle schooler who barely passes their classes

I could go on and on. Out of all the Isekai I've tried, there's really only four that aren't shit or don't turn to shit, and one of them is Korean.

>>160507671
Which ones?
>one of them is korean
DD?

>>160507868
Main Character Hides His Strength. He stays consistently a cunt and asocial aside from one companion he keeps around because she's useful and he can't get rid of her. He's OP as fuck but has shortcomings that he's trying to get around by powerleveling.

>>160508168
Sooo, Sword Art Online?

>>160506364
I think jerk MCs have to walk a fine line. My experience with a lot of chinese web novels have taught me that there actually is such a thing as too big an asshole of an MC. That Tales of God and Demons being a good example. It's easy to go from an amusing amount of jackassery to an obnoxious and unlikable ammount, and it's even worse if I'm starting to actively hate the MC even as the story tries to make me root for him.

>>160507671
>if he's a loner antisocial asshole, don't make him suddenly gain a bunch of friends and/or a harem
Or do the Arifuta thing where he's supposedly a loner but has a hot girl constantly worrying about him. That's not a fucking loner.

>>160508593
Not in the slightest. At least read the synopsis before sounding like a dipshit.

>>160508866
What you wrote right there sounds identical to Sword Art Online. I can't blame that anon for assuming. Actually to be fair it sounds like literally every isekai with power levels and a non-happy MC ever.

>>160508804
the perfect example of a good asshole MC is Kazuma, and probably Momoka from sabagebu but thats not isekai.

>>160508901
I gave a bad description then. It's dark fantasy and not in a game, and has Children of Man elements since all kids died from a world ending curse.

>Enemy of the world, cursed by all, Kim Sungchul goes on a quest to prevent the ‘prophecy of the end’ from coming to pass.
>But no matter how much he raised his strength, there were still some things he could not achieve with physical strength alone.
>Resolving to obtain the power of magic, he goes into hiding to learn magic from his most hated of enemies, The Mages.

We make it have none loser mcs, like in code geass

>>160508866
At least don't paraphrase the synopsis to sound exactly like SAO, dumbass.

>>160509079
It sounds kind of edgy. What are it's edge levels like? Are we talking magical spell to the face from a childhood bully that causes him to lose faith in humanity levels of edge here, for instance?

>>160505748
How the fuck is a vending machine OP?

>>160509109
That half asset description describes a lot more than SAO.

>>160509185
It's dark fantasy, so I would call it grimdark rather than edgy. I mean, it's about this world facing multiple extinction events so obviously it's going to be dark. Most of the humor tends to be dark humor and the beginning part is really fucking violent so that might turn you off if you're squeamish. The MC's background hasn't been fully revealed yet, but it's been implied his kid died and he has devoted his life to trying to stop the extinction of all life so that kids can live again, by any means necessary.

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Who hype for shieldbro anime?

>>160510704
No matter how good the adaptation is, the source material is garbage so I'm not that excited. I'll probably watch anyways though.

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>>160510859
ok.
I'm nt sure what to expect actually. The PV looks great and everything, but considering LN adaptations the pacing can either make or break the anime. That said, it'll probably pay for itself in LN and manga sales regardless.

How about a fucking reverse isekai for once ????????????????

>>160511591
re:creators, maou-sama, etc.

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>>160500115
Make it capeshit

>>160511591
So like GATE when all of the girls are taken to Japan, or The Devil is a Part-Timer?

>>160511622
Is maou-sama really isekai? They didn't really go willingly but it's kind of not the same. On Re:C I can agree

>>160511684
But they go there willingly and can return whenever

>>160511792
But the Devil can't return whenever? The heroes overtook the central island with all of the demons, and he just went to some random universe when he used the portal to GTFO so he didn't exactly go there willingly.

>>160511746
the demon lord reincarnates in modern-era japan and works at mcdonalds man. if that isn't reverse-isekai i don't know what is.

>>160500115
Third season of Kunosuba and second season of Re:Zero, please. Milk what you can before moving on to the next thing.

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>>160512219

>>160500115
You can't.

>>160510704
Meh, when the fuck is the spider and slime anime coming out already.

>>160500115

Instead of sending people into videogame like worlds, make actually interesting world with interesting plot and have a genuine fantasy story. Also, either make a Dragon quest anime or come up with a new world with its magic systems, politics, history and fauna.

>>160514666
>Magic systems, politics, history and fauna
Bookworm

>>160514666
Whatever you day satan.

>>160514264
Noy sure, they're sure popular, slime even more so but they're probably waiting for later.

kidnap more translators and force them to update the novels more often.

>>160514804

Well thank you. Many of these series flirt with the western fantasy anyway so why not go the whole lenght and explore what makes those types of stories interesting. The idea of parallel/diffrent world isn't really used for much storywise, usually it's just game world and story is about escapism but if it is not used for much else, like how does this parallel world effect our world or viceversa then it would be better to just scrapt the idea of leaping between worlds. It is many times more of a distraction why there is suddenly new world and how to get back. It would also be nice if the medieval fantasy world was not just a backdrop but also felt like a living place. Studying high fantasy novels would help to make more stronger series than just adapting these videogame fan fictions we are seeing.

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I want more sci-fi style isekai kind of like Suisei no Gargantia.

>>160516912
40k isekai when?
>salaryman reincarnated as rouge trader

>>160516074
You are expecting too much from character-driven escapist fantasy you fa/tg/uy.

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>>160500115
Isekai already peaked 20 years ago

>>160509392
He makes money selling whatever the fuck he wants. Some OP magic items and condoms for whores.

>mc is op but dies instantly
>comes back as a powerless ghost
>anime about mc's ghost helping a party to resurrect him to defeat the villain

>>160500115
add smartphones

I've never even watched an isekai anime but I'm already tired of isekai

>>160500236
Konosuba without Aqua? That would be amazing.

>>160519873
kinda like a reverse overlord? Videogame, not anime/manga/ln

>>160501041

Jesus christ, thosr ARE saggy as fuck. How did that happen? Is it a plot point?

Get more actual novelists to write them instead of bad fanfiction-tier hacks.

Natsume Akatsuki did a great job at this.

>>160520636
Art style i'd guess

>>160520668
He didn't. He's a terrible writer.

>>160520614
yeah kinda

Upskirt

>>160520690

But Lala's lalas don't sag like that, even though they're much bigger and drawn by the same artist.

It's like Aqua has never worn a bra in her life and gravity ruined her.

Make Isekai topics more wide instead of focusing on fantasy and video games. Even that new Mech Isekai series includes fantasy and otaku culture.

>>160520756
You got any evidence to back that up?

>>160500115
A boy form a magical world dies and is reincarnated into the real world where magic doesn't exist and he must now get straight A's get into a good university and live out his life as an office drone?

>>160517593
God I need to rewatch this. It's been like 18 years and I don't remember shit about it.

Entire magical world dies and is reincarnated as one normal Japanese boy. All of it.

>>160500115
Make a group of /a/nons as the main characters

>>160521038
isekai depression

sounds great

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>>160514666
>Dragon quest anime

Not anime but Yuusha Yoshihiko series is great.

>>160517221
>>Cute primarchs doing grim dark things

>>160505408
But that just makes isekai sound like an excuse for writers to take the easy and boring route to world building.

Although it wouldn't be that much of a problem if the MC wasn't a talentless hikiNEET with no ambitions. I want to see a genuine sense of wonder and excitement (or fear) of being transported to another world, not a bunch of one off genre savvy moments (i.e. not just "wow, just like my games/anime/movies!").

>>160506006
>-no harem
>-no adventure guilds either
>-give the MC an actual goal
>-you can have RPG elements but don't give him all the levels, items, and skills make him work for that shit from level 1
>-flesh out the damn side characters, don't just make them a cheerleader squad give them goals, personalities, strengths and weaknesses that can conflict with the MC
>-make a good and memorable villain
>-make the setting more than just Dragon Quest
So... Re:Zero?

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>>160521660
So... shield hero.

>>160521660
>>-flesh out the damn side characters, don't just make them a cheerleader squad give them goals, personalities, strengths and weaknesses that can conflict with the MC
>implying most of the side characters in re:zero that follow subaru arent a cheerleading squad
I bet you think Rem is a good written character too don't you?

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>>160521781
>-flesh out the damn side characters, don't just make them a cheerleader squad give them goals, personalities, strengths and weaknesses that can conflict with the MC
>implying most of the side characters in re:zero that follow subaru arent a cheerleading squad
They aren't. Many characters have their own side stories which give them much more depth.

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>>160521781
>implying most of the side characters in re:zero that follow subaru arent a cheerleading squad
The number of times Subaru has been betrayed and hated by the people he trusts is too many to count. Also Rem is a well written character, she has the same tier of monolouges and depth like Subaru has.

>>160500236

Konasuba wouldn't be right if it lacked the biggest shitter in the shitter brigade. Rezero would definately be improved with Aqua though.

>>160507671
>Chad
Fuck off, fag.

>>160503935
Cause they can go godmode easier and have epic battles.

>>160523131
>ignoring a long post because of one word

>>160500115
Isekai should die. Viva traditional fantasy.

>>160505040
Everytime I see this character I think it's Aurica from Ar Tonelico

>>160523782
You should die. Viva me!!!

>>160506006
What's wrong with adventure guilds? The adventure guild makes for a decent vehicle for a "case of the week" format that allows for lots of variety in what the MC gets up to, kind of like a detective agency or an odd jobs agency.

>>160500115
Stop making every mc from another world/reborn just to validate him being smarter than others.
That's just terrible writing.

>>160524192
Or they can actually find adventures themselves instead of having a convenient plot device give it to them. LN writers are known for putting effort into things I suppose.

>>160501364
But that would defeat the whole purpose of the genre!

>>160500115
It's currently impossible. When somethings popular the quality doesn't matter its all about pushing as much of it on to the market as possible. Let the fad run its course then die. A few years later people will start making isekai again and you'll start seeing higher quality works last while stuff like the garbage we're getting now will get cancelled after a volume or two.

>>160506006
So Samurai Jack, then?

>>160508593
Berserk?

>>160506006
That's just Konosuba.

>>160521660
So... Kumo.

>>160502166

god willing, one day we will have a show where all the characters are voiced by babby rie

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>>160500115
Stop catering to a male audience and start catering to a female audience.

>>160524773
>konosuba
>no harem
sure thing

>>160524831
We're not trying to make it worse.

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>beta japanese fag is teleported into a medieval city
>tries to communicate with people
>they actually can't communicate because they're in completely different cultural groups
>goes looking around for elfs and magic and other gay shit
>he's actually in the holy roman empire during the 1300s so everything is exceptionally normal
>gets stabbed over his clothes
>his arm is infected from the cut and has to be cut off
>manages to learn a bit of german and get a shitty job
>harem of german girls begins to assemble
>the black plague comes and they all die gruesomely
>he is burned at the stake for being a foreigner (jew)

rate my isekai

>>160524849

aqua couldn't possibly give a shit about him

eris does but she's in heaven doing god shit and will never win the kazumabowl

megumin will win

darkness will settle for side bitch

>>160524987
>It's not a harem if they don't all love him
Every single harem series has people defending them like this.

>>160525039
that's because they have to like him at least a little for it to be a fucking harem you dipshit

>>160525039
because they're too ashamed to admit they like a harem so they try to make excuses for why it totally isn't one

>>160525135
there is literally nothing wrong with liking a harem

More Dog Days

>>160525039
>defending
It's the opposite, it's a criticism. A true harem = all female cast agree to share the MC, harem element = all female cast flirt with the MC throughout the story but one "wins" in the end. Also, /a/ always liked harem, ecchi and fanservice. Only normalfag casuals use harem in a negative sense.

>>160519873
so Punchline?

>>160520911
>It's like Aqua has never worn a bra in her life and gravity ruined her.

She doesn't wear underwear.

>>160524791
Depends, ironic "le funny parody of isekai troopes" actually killed Kumo for me, it really threw everything that made the LN fun to the trash.

>>160507671
I don't know whether it's good that the random story I've been writing passes all these or not.

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>In a certain world, there was someone who excelled in magic combat, people called him 『Sage』. Seeking the strongest combat art, he devoted himself to research every magic and combat arts in existence. And the conclusion he arrived at was very cruel, 『My body is not fit for magic combat』. Yet he didn’t give up. He sealed his own soul with a magic art, and was reborn in a far-off future. And the magic theory in the completely changed world he saw there was of unbelievably low level.


How much of this paragraph can you make it through?

>>160525785
That looks more like a time travel deiverative than isekai.

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>>160525785
That kinda reminds me of a manga I'm reading that is literally reversed.
>It details the life of a mid-rank soldier who died at the very end of the war against the Demon Race. Fortunately for him, he wakes up to find that he’s a baby again, in the embrace of his real mother, years in the past. Determined to avoid the chain of tragedies that took his beloved ones away from him, he takes advantage of the advancements in swordsmanship and magic that developed during the war (as we all know, wars are when many scientific breakthroughs tend to happen), and tries his best to prepare for the demon invasion as well as strengthen himself with maximum efficiency.

>>160525937
Both are proof that taking the isekai angle out of isekai doesn't actually improve isekai.

>>160525785
I misread it as he found himself low-level in the future andI got really excited because I thought it was a twist on the popular MC is OP compared to the new world.

>>160525819
Don't get too technical. At this point, isekai is a genre so any different sekai works no matter what the vehicle is (time travel, soul reincarnation, consciousness transport, becoming a game avatar in a game world,...). If it walks like isekai and talks like isekai.

>>160525981
Removing a bad part of a work only improves the work if there existed any good parts to begin with.

>>160525981
Meh, I like the idea and so far I'm enjoying the manga. Haven't read the LN so I have no idea how the story will go.

>>160525785
>『
Dropped.

I am kinda interested, any anon know if there's an isekai series where the start isn't when the MC first comes to the new world per say, but several years after the fact.

>>160526035
We have to get technical. Else how are we going to differientiate shit like SAO(non-alicization) and only sense online to things like slime, kumo and others?

>>160505408
Yeah but Isekai don't have very interesting worlds.

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>No first-person narration
>Diverse cast of characters

Biggest step towards fixing isekai. Levels and RPG systems can work fine without masturbatory powerleveling, even just for gags. Gestalt (not isekai) had them and that was all the way back in 95'. Gookshit, but 4-Cut Hero uses them too and is pretty good.

>>160526178
>several years after the fact
Explain further

>>160526196
But that's my point, SAO is practically isekai so there's no point in being all "he was in a VRMMO in the same world, he didn't change worlds so it's not isekai". It's like when artists draw a loli but she's actually 999999 years old, it's still a loli. Also, SAO popularized things that are common in isekai today like game stats.

>>160526324
Levels are only good when they're not taken seriously and not assigned some lengthy importance within the world mechanics. Use them mostly just as a gags and for bios. Also no menus unless it's a gag.

>>160526420
>SAO popularized things that are common in isekai today like game stats.
No it did not

>>160526420
Settings and the nature of the existence of a being are two completely different things

>>160501773

Make it so instead of a guy traveling to a different world, all the different worlds start coming into our world. In short, a reverse Isekai.

>>160526523
LITERALLY
AIRING
RIGHT
NOW

>>160526420
SAO's menu and UI is pretty uniquely different from the systems used in isekai. MMO menu vs. classic RPG menu. They're completely different things.
Nobody looks at a sports car and goes "wow that's totally derivative of that 18-wheeler we just saw".

Anyone here have any idea why does so many isekai settings are of the European fantasy type, with some gimmicks? Why have not anyone try the Future Punk or the Feudal Japan type?

>>160500115
Aqua really looks cute with Emilia's costume.

>young salaryman gets summoned
>turns out the queen of some country in another world needs to get married soon, so she literally summons her fiancee
>the terms are completely reasonable
I never thought I'd see some Nip write a marriage of convenience where both parties consent, at least not in some random isekai LN. Usually this shit is some arranged marriage made by the parents.

>>160526466
Isekai in its current form is a fusion between multiple genre, most notably the "stuck in a game" genre and high fantasy so it relies on JRPG stats even when it's not appropriate. The mainstream success of "stuck in a game" LNs like Accel World and SAO emphasized the game aspect.

Anyone else feel it's too late for Shield Bro to be animated? The industry is already over saturated with isekai animation, and people are to the point where they roll their eyes at a new one.

>>160526770
On the plus side the fanbase won't become a huge pile of shit.

>>160526574
The fact that there is a menu in a fantasy story in the first place is thanks to the success of the genre that SAO is the modern flagship of. Like when battle harems got popular, other unrelated genres started to add mulitple female love interests who can fight to their. LNs always take cues from their best-sellers like that.

>>160526852
Why would you care? You're way ahead of them so you can just ignore them completely.

>>160526586
A European fantasy setting is easier to write because a lot more people are familiar with it.

>Feudal Japan
I remember seeing a show where some high school kid gets transported back in time (?) and uses knowledge from the game he plays to win battles. Also the feudal lords were turned into girls. Can't remember the name, but probably doing a quick search using well known feudal lord names might give you the result. I don't recommend watching it though, it's dumb as fuck.

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Take inspiration from tabletop instead of videogames. It's that fucking simple.

>>160527007
fuck you oda nobunas good

>>160526770
We should be asking ourselves why now instead. It seems to me they're going to push it and a few other series like chio-chan to the US audience.

>>160526852
I sure do hope so.

>>160526933
Well, i am a bit concerned that people are going to shitpost it everytime it comes up. And we all know for a fact there will be people that will do exactly just that. And there's the other side of the autism spectrum that will defend it and denying all it's faults. And then there's the people in the middle trying to pick up the pieces of whatever is left of those threads.
It sure will be a wild ride. And i both dread and anticipate the day the first episode airs.

>>160526382
it would follow something like this
>prologue sets up the usual Isekai premise.
>chapter 1 we skip forward see our MC 10 to 20 years older in a tight situation and we get to here him curse under his breath something about saving this world and this is what he gets.
From there it can go which ever way imaginable, MC trying to find a way back home, some new people try to convince him to go back to being a hero, etc.

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>>160524927
>one-armed infectee being able to land a job in the 1300's
>Modern Japanese speaker able to pick up the fuckery that is ye old Germanian
Yeah fucking right, he'd die as soon as he got there, maybe a week living like a wretch at best

Source: an Unintentional Medieval and Renaissance Minor

>>160527132
>It seems to me they're going to push it and a few other series like chio-chan to the US audience.
Why? Is it really that well known to the US audience?

>>160527234
That was also shown at AX too, it also had a small speaking part wholly in english.

>>160527058
Yeah I remember Chaos Dragon and it sucked.

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>nopan emilia

>>160500115
Delete it.
Cease and desist.
Remove it.

>>160526906
>Like when battle harems got popular, other unrelated genres started to add mulitple female love interests who can fight

History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi was made in 2002.

>>160526906
Harems were a staple long before the battle harem academy phase.

>>160527439
Yeah I know.
But I think he meant Lodoss not chaos failure.

Samurai Jack isn't even anime or manga and it's the best isekai ever.

>>160527509
Which story started a trend is a thing people argue about all the time, what started the isekai fad arguments are fucking annoying. For battle harem, some go as far as saying Ranma started it, others say Toaru Majutsu no Index is what got the shounen audience interested. I myself think that Rosario to Vampire (especially the anime) is what really started the obligatory ecchi battle school harem every season craze that came after.

>>160527619
Yeah, battle harem is a derivative. It's someone who saw battle shounen selling well and harems selling well and thought "what if we made the harem a bunch of shounen characters while still being girls?" and thus thousands of hours were lost from the lives of poor NEETs everywhere.

>>160528331
I'm hesitant to blame it all on Index, there was a shitload of urban fantasy at the time (Shana, Fate/stay night, even Bleach)

>>160526586
>Future Punk
The most futuristic you're getting is Muv-Luv Alternative

>Feudal Japan
The best you'll get is G.I. Samurai or Oda Nobuna no Yabou.

>>160526420
>>160526574
SAO also doesn't have lol endless skills and skill taker and outright cheats. Dual Wield is nice, but it's not an instant "I win" trait like fucking Arifureta MC.

>>160501773
>get creative with this incredibly restrictive, formulaic subgenre where every story is only able to differentiate itself by adding some minor gimmick to it's main character like "Isekai but he has a smartphone" or "Isekai but he's an ugly fat guy"
If you wanted to actually get creative, you would get far enough away from the basic concept that it wasn't an Isekai story anymore

>>160528389
But they aren't harems.

>>160526324
4 cut hero is surprisingly enjoyable, and that's coming from someone who went in expecting to hate it. The weird paneling takes some getting used to, but it's pretty good. Too bad chapters beyond 65 or so are behind a paywall.

>>160500115
Add gender bender of main character into female.

>>160528610
Creativity involves having the isekai aspect be an integral part of the story. Most "isekai" works either use the isekai aspect as a gimmick, or ditch isekai entirely after the initial summoning/reincarnation/etc.

>>160505408
This works as a basic storytelling mechanism for a fish out of water story, but the problem is that it's never used to any great effect
In Star Wars, Luke being a farm boy from the middle of nowhere works because it allows the viewer to share in Luke's wonder and excitement about going to these weird planets with all these strange looking aliens and robots, and so the outsider perspective works, although it's worth mentioning that even a simplistic story like Star Wars has enough craft behind it to avoid obvious plot devices like asking about something and having someone explain at length to him and, by extension, the audience. Every Isekai story seemingly takes place in a similar fantasy world which makes it so that there's no sense of intrigue on the part of the audience, and they don't get anything out of hearing someone ramble on about how there's a demon king that needs to be slain by a great hero and here's how our guild system works and here's a slightly inspired but ultimately dull 5 minute treastise on the territorial marking habits of this monster and bla bla bla

People like Isekai because it's a weeb version of The Purge; Raw, unabashed wish fulfillment that works better as something to daydream about than as an actual product that people can see

>>160526678
SAO doesn't show the lv and skill system enough to be influential, if anything it's remonster who did that first.

>>160528669
The obnoxious memes were the only things I thought needed getting used to. You can find up to chapter 100 on madokami. Don't know where to find Season 2.

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>>160505408
Remember when they used amnesia for that?

>>160505408
> The protagonist is as much an outsider to this world as you are, so it helps to allow for world building and exposition that would feel forced if it were stuff the characters should already know.

Memes aside, would something like TES Skyrim be a good way to handle fantasy (protagonist wise)?
The protagonist isn't a native of Skyrim and it still gave off an isekai feel while not being a japanese high schooler.

>>160528884
The real problem is that most protagonists are fucking losers with no ambition. They're either run of the mill school kids, or hikiNEETs. Is it so hard to write MCs that have that sense of wonder and excitement in an isekai?

>>160504476
You can do both easily if your writing skills aren't complete shit and you have a bit of creativity. The only real benefit of isekai outside of sales is having a protagonist who clashes with the world, but generally speaking this aspect ends up going away regardless

>>160500115
what about an isekai that revolves around say a cell phone that can call another universe.

>>160504476
Hmm... Why not have an isekai where the MC isn't the outsider, but another party member is? Sorts the same issue out, but also allows the MC to not be a doofus.

>>160529289
wait a minute, i've seen this before...

>>160528915
Whoever ripped season 1 said it was to commemorate season 2 starting, so expecting season 2 uploads in the future doesn't bode well.

>>160529289
k-keit ai?

>Serial killer finally dies of old age
>Gets transported to a new world as he dies, body of when he was most prolific
>World is suffering from overpopulation due to top tier medicine, absolute law and order
>Not sure where I'm going with this
>There's other serial killers from throughout history transported too, past present and future
>Competition for most kills ensues

>>160529256
I don't understand why isekai protagonists don't just buy a house and retire, make some kids, etc by the third chapter. They're usually rich and honorary nobility with land grants by then.

>>160529289
I would say it's already a thing, but it seems to also be a thing as Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni

>>160529559
>Drifters without the good guys
It's already basically been done.

Fuck I'm trying to find the isekai I started reading the other day about a guy that gets truck-kun'd and he transforms into an onsen, and he gets better services from levelling up

>>160529811
http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/isekai-onsen-ni-tensei-shita-ore-no-kounou-ga-tondemosugiru-r21864

I did laugh at this premise, played out genre or not

>>160529811
>I'm trying to find
You'd have to be a special kind of retard to try to find something as easily Googleable as this. Literally Google isekai+onsen.

I used to read the Philip Jose Farmer novels which pretty much already dealt with all interesting topics of Isekai, minus the cringy as fuck video game bullshit.
So I think its just done as a genre.

>>160506006
So basically every fucking isekai ever created before the mary sue/gary stu world sucks the mc s dick/clit series?

Fuck that.
If people wanted that they'd watch or read an old story like alice in wonderland or conneticut yankee in king arthurs court.

>>160522336
>same depth and monologue length as Subashit
Really not helping yourself.

>>160529583
Because the living standards of a typical isekai world are far below what a loser hikiNEET is used to. What good is being rich and owning land if you have to work just to maintain your land, not to mention there's no air conditioning or internet connection.

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>>160530748
I can literally write and entire essay on Subaru's character and motives which you can't do to character that has not been fleshed and well written. Also Rem's hero is based as fuck.

>>160521660
But Re:Zero already exists, and there need to be more. Besides, the first cour of Re:Zero was shit. The second cour was the only good was part, and that didn't last at all.

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>>160530748
Says you

>>160500115
sex

>>160529583
Naofumi does this by volume 10-11 but he doesn't retire, he had raphtalia's hometown and general area rebuilt as a reward for her and to house the slaves he's going to turn into a loyal wave-fighting force.

>>160506261
They just released another chapter the other day.

>>160531414
This. Lhtranslations is doing it now. They are obsessed with the genre.

>>160528740
I'm sorry that's simply incorrect. A vast majority of isekai stories completely rely on the isekai narrative to power their plot engine. The only two I can think of right now that actually DO completely disregard the "summoning" or "other-world travel" portion and it's various effects on character relations and actions are Re:Zero and Konosuba. Konosuba might get a pass because they at least make an effort to mention the demon king and "hey I need to beat that guy!" every once in a while, as well as Aqua being a constant reminder.

>>160501802
>>160501857
It's good to see that someone actually follows through on their promise.

>>160531484
Zero's only holdover of the greater isekai narrative is the fact that Super Rude doesn't know shit about anything but even this could be easily explained by the fact that he's a complete fucking retard.

>>160525463
His description is actually Punchline, huh?

>>160531042
>which you can't do to character that has not been fleshed and well written
Yes you can. Go back to school kid. I remember writing essays about the nigger that huck finn played around with.

>>160531533
Not him but its actually is due to the fact that there are many forces at play. From political strife, contract and Satella. The greater narrative is also focused on Satella and her relation to Fugel as well as the immortality experiment and the events that happened 400 years ago. As other people such as Al and etc have also been isekai'd by Satella.

>>160529289
A BOY

>>160529583
That's what MTs MC did basically.

>>160528619
Technically Shirou had a harem, but that's just being really fucking technical.

>>160531240
Sorry, that may seem super deep and innovative but it's incredibly flat because the first panel is simply not true. He doesn't have to do shit. There is absolutely no compelling reason why he should be doing any of that shit let alone in such an idiotic, self-destructive way. He's just a moron.

If you're going to say somebody is a well written character at least compare them to a well written character from a well written source.

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>>160531240
>respawns a handful of times
>then does everything flawless until the end of the arc
Fucking garbage. Even the basic boilerplate shounen with a respawn power is written better.
>dies thousands of times
>each time changes slight details
>until finally accomplishing his goal
>mindbreaks throughout the process
That's how you write that power.

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>>160531825
Sounds like our goddess Homura.

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>>160531825
>kills himself 42 times so his childhood friend's haircut turns out okay

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>>160531825
Sure if you don't plant or gather info and interrogate fully milking the efficiency of the loop. You bash your head against the wall in Re:Zero you will meet Echidna's contract like Subaru once did. Also abusing a power you know nothing of, let alone something that doesn't belong to you with unknown repercussions is what literal retards do. I may be biased as I'm going off the WN but this is what Subaru does efficiently.
>>160531747
>He doesn't have to do shit. There is absolutely no compelling reason why he should be doing any of that shit let alone in such an idiotic, self-destructive way. He's just a moron.
Good to know you don't even watch the mediocrely adapted anime if you don't know where his motives stem from around that page.

>>160529199
>>160528917

Isekai is far better since the target audience have a connection and shared cultural values to the MC.
Hence all the katana superior to every western blades ever made trope.

Knowing that and still being pissed about it because the writer isn't pandering to your western tropes is retarded.
Just like reading chick lits as a male and get mad about all the cuckery that is going on.

>>160531949
>Also abusing a power you know nothing of, let alone something that doesn't belong to you with unknown repercussions is what literal retards do

I never said shit about the characters, I said the writing is garbage. Dying a handful of times, then a few off-screen and in rapid succession, and then performing flawlessly for the entire rest of the arc makes it so that the respawn power is largely unnecessary and could be supplemented with a more clever protagonist and some beefier plot armor (he already has too much for a character that can resurrect; he should've died about 18 times in that forest).

>>160531949
Re:zerofags are worse than MTfags. I enjoy shit but I don't pretend like shit is high literature.

>>160530358
>implying stories need to be original
>implying OP MC isn't more over done than normal Isekai ever was

>>160532061
You sounds like a weeb and should leave.

>>160532179
Go to tumblr if you can't stand japanese culture, burger.
Mix with lunatics there.

>>160521090
Nabuca dies
Boo dies
Hamdo dies
Abelia dies
Sara gets raped
Lala-ru is a demon
Lala-ru disappears
Spoilers

>>160500115
>How do we improve the isekai genre?
Is there a hentai isekai yet?

>>160531949
You're a fag. If you haven't read the manga just say it. The MC does do stuff efficiently but he just can't predict all the stuff that's going to happen. That's why he have to experiment to get stuff right and he can win.

>>160529199
It's the same thing. Having them be a high schooler is merely a way for the audience to place themselves in his shoes. They can do that for a Japanese high school student, but not so much for Drakthor the Man from the East.

>>160532240
Too many, anon.
Too many.

Man travelling to places full of sexy women where there is few competition is literally the soul of the isekai genre.

>>160524719
To be fair it was an epic show.

>>160532394
Though it aint isekai. FOR MY EVIL IS LAW

This would be spread out into 5 seasons/or long running shounen.

5 friends get transported to different isekai's with different themes.

MC is a girl who becomes a Steampunk fencer
Main Husbando become a generic isekai Wizard
MC's best friend becomes a Kunoichi
Comedic relief friend becomes a MAHOU SHOUNEN.

them going on the isekai's is actually a ploy by their Homeroom Teacher who is a God incarnate

>>160532363
I'm enjoying the one where he gets transported to generic rpg land and has peasant stats and he cooks.

>>160532179
You're bitching about an entire fucking sub type of a ancient as fuck genre that is currently in vogue while pretending that it's some new fucking scourge.

Goddamn. Go read fucking gullivers travels you cuck.

>>160532145
>I enjoy shit but I don't pretend like shit is high literature.

That's the MTfags, zerofags focus on the character's deepness or something.

>>160531904
So edgy.

>>160532564
I have no idea why people argue with narou isekai superiority I feel like I'm the only one who just reads and enjoys them like fast food: Overlord, Re:Zero, MT, Shieldbro, Kumo, Paladin, Black Maria and a few more being my favorites.

I mean these things are written literally by amateurs. I doubt people seriously think they're literature or something. I enjoy them just like how I enjoy my chinese cartoons which are just that: chinese cartoons.

Its especially nice since I can read WNs at work and they're easily digestible. Truly the best timeline, isekai banzai!

>>160532564
>or something
You have a hard time convincing anyone by saying that.

>>160532954
Just curious, what books do you consider as high literature?

Have more old men reincarnate into little girls or little boys or little girls(male)

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>>160532954
Not that anon, but i agree with ya, different povs for different people. Some people enjoy it what it is, and some people find value in them beyond what other people think.
>shieldbro
>like fast food
it hurts but even i can admit it feels like so. I just really like the story and the characters

>>160529559
Sounds lame and edgy desu

>>160531042
I wrote an essay on a cheap bollywood superman sketch about the nature of masculinity and the societal effects of victim psychology. Insight comes from within, not without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Pjo0WjBcs

>>160532954
>I have no idea why people argue with narou isekai superiority
Is it really that hard to understand? Some people like some of what you listed, they like it a lot, so instead of just saying I like shit, they try and point out the good parts, the things that made them like it in the first place.

>>160532954
I like reading isekai precisely because it's written exclusively by amateurs, especially foreign amateurs. It's interesting to me to try and figure out the psychology behind the creation and focus of these stories. I get to see into this guy's head, what he thinks is important, what isn't. Most of the time it just ends up with them following the rest because they lose steam but sometimes they pop back to their own style.

>>160500115
We (the anime industry) have it covered. (You) a sweaty no-life neckbeard cannot because you are worthless and think about worthless things you have no control over.

>>160525355
That is just not true. Typical japanese harem are those where the mc does not pick a heroine, there is no development to their relationship besides flirting. There is no winner among the female cast, and they dont all agree to share him.
Good exemples of this are kissxsis and mon musu.

>>160520911
>not wearing a bra makes them sag
>not knowing that wearing too much support makes the muscles that supports them weak

that is why your man tits flop around, because you're fat, disgusting and wear a bra.

go do push-ups, fat man bitch.

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I believe my time has returned gentlemen.

>>160533523
Whats that one about

>>160533442
>not knowing that wearing too much support makes the muscles that supports them weak
Haha holy shit, are you fucking kidding me? Tits don't have any muscle whatsoever, they're sacks of fat attached to the pectoral muscles held up literally by the skin covering them. You can't work out your tits you fucking virgin holy shit.

>>160531949
I got to where he's now fucking up the political situation for no reason before I dropped it. There is NO GOOD REASON for him to be involved in ANYTHING that is going on in this series. Compelling means something relatable, understandable. If any reasonable person went through the various hijinks of the first episode they would have just fucking left that shit alone and done something completely different. That would have made sense. Instead he goes on this path of complete self destruction because... someone was kind of nice to him once? He could stop at any point he is not responsible for these people or this world. He isn't God.

>>160532954
I don't know if this is bait or playing retarded, however people like different aspects of the titles you listed and they're definitely not the same. Narou became popular precisely because of the variety it offers and managed to attract different types of readers despite there being thousands of copycats.

>>160533557
Well it's actually somewhat deeper than that. He's being influenced by SOMETHING to keep being involved with her, but whatever he does beyond that like the politic stunt he pulled is hisnown fault.

>>160531949
I'll give you this much. At the exact time I was screaming at him to just stop and try to figure out the fucking rules you dumb asshole he actually did sit down in a library and ask for help doing exactly that.
Sure it only took me 15 minutes to get tired of him bumbling around like some inbred fucknugget but it took him about 20 deaths and who knows how many perceived days. Ludicrous.

>>160524192
Adventure guilds don't make a lick of sense. Period.

Everything about them is retarded when they're taken out of the video game context they were born in.

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>>160533545
3 teens get transported to a different in time and place in the universe.

>A scheming girl
>Her arrogant brother
>And her friend that's a total pussy

As well as the homeroom teacher.

They all get seperated, but the tranportation all gives them powers based on their personality.

The homeroom teacher is an alcoholic chain smoker, that when he's completely sober is superman.

The arrogant brother, has the ability to talk to the Bugrom soldiers (pictured) becomes there general, and pretty much wins at being a bad guy.

Long story they wake up a living weapon demon girl with the help of some elemental priestess, and some hot arabian styled princesses- as well as the hand maiden/ slave lesbian loli obsessed with fucking anything that moves.

OVA is the original and great, the series is silly but good if you're a fan of the whole story.

Pictured is said demon weapon.

Whole thing has a dreamy - other worldly vibe to it.

>>160532430
>Young Japanese NEET is tasked with slaying the demon king and is thrown into another world with vastly different culture and technology.
>Manages to succeed beyond all expectations because NIPPON STRONG.

Hmm.

>>160533827
>Jack
>Young
>Neet
I give you the sword though. I know you're baiting but please, you're killing the last bit of faith in this board i didn't think i had.

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>Smartphone Isekai
Oh boy he's going to use access to the internet to learn and teach all kinds of cool things-
>He's a superhuman body and access to all the magic types

FUCK

>>160533740

El Hazard: The Magnificent World
>(Only watch this one through if you want the best version)

El Hazard 2

El Hazard: The Alternative World

The Wanderers of El Hazard: The Series
>(Only watch if super into the show, it's awful)

>>160533979
He's in his 20's and the only degree he's likely to have is a doctorate in Android Disassembly.

>>160508847
>Arifuta
>hot girl constantly worrying about him
So what has this anything to do with him? Since he purposely doesn't interact with her and causes only harm to him?

>>160534074
The WN translations were there LONG LONG AGO IN A DISTANT SITE so you could know what to expexcr.

>>160534074
>Oh boy he's going to use access to the internet to learn and teach all kinds of cool things
Isn't that what the Kingdom Building dude does with his idol keikaku and shit? Its like a gag novel though,

>>160534117
Thanks man. Ill check it out

>>160534128
Well i dont disagree with you, but remember he has been training his whole life to destroy aku. Changing between places and aquiring the skills necessary to slay a shape-shifitng foe.

>>160500115
Include the actual adventure.

>>160501891
Strange Journey isekai?

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>>160500115
Make sure Infinite Dendrogram gets the popularity and treatment it deserves.
Sure, it's a VRMMO thing(without any "trapped" or "die IRL" bullshit, too), but the game world is so large, real and alive that it might as well be isekai.
And if it is, then it's damn good isekai.

>>160524151
Cannot unsee

>>160534217
Reminder that idol keikaku cultural imperialism was literally the plot of Macross, which people seem to be fine with.

>>160534454
Because Macross went balls to the wall with the concept from the start and doesn't take itself seriously.

Meanwhile, Realist Hero tries to pretend to be "realistic" before dropping a retarded concept like that on you anyways.

>>160533427
>Typical japanese harem are those where the mc does not pick a heroine
Actually typical japanese harems have him choose a heroine.

>>160500115
Let's try to write an Isekai.

The protagonist isekai and become a Game Master of the new world. His task is to create "events" that keep the upper Gods, Cthulhu beasts level, entertained.
To do so he must wander around the world and create himself wars, heroes, master of evils, or apocalyptic events with his intrigues, plans or ideas. Sometimes he plays a mentor to train a hero a for a specific quest, sometimes interprets himself the villain that must be defeated. If the upper Gods are bored, the protagonist will be killed and the world destroyed. Sometimes, to prepare his quests, he's forced to commit actions of enormous evil.

His purpose, of course, is to find a way to kill the upper gods and get out of this loop.

>>160511916
He doesn't reincarnate in Japan, he goes there by portal to escape the hero and her party

>>160535742
It doesn't have to be reincarnation to be isekai.
He goes from a fantasy world to modern Japan. How the fuck isn't that isekai.

>>160526586
Why not the Bronze Age?

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Sorry but Isekai was already perfected by the west.

>>160500115
Don't make it an escapist fantasy. Or if you do, make it only the surface of the world and everything beneath is fucked up. So much so that the MC actually is desperate to go back.
There, that's it.

>>160526586
>Anyone here have any idea why does so many isekai settings are of the European fantasy type, with some gimmicks?
Because Japan associates the fantasy genre with European settings, and isekai with fantasy, and everyone just keeps following the leader in these regards.
>Why have not anyone try the Future Punk
See above. Also, part of the appeal of isekai is the idea of being superior to everyone else in the world simply by virtue of hailing from a more advanced society with more enlightened values and technological advancement, which is lost when you are the one that is the savage from an ancient barbaric society being teleported into a more advanced world.
>or the Feudal Japan type
Because Touhou already ran this into the ground.

>>160500115
NO
FUCKING
RPG/MMO
MECHANICS

I'm OK with skills/magic but please no fucking levels, stat points, party mechanics, magic inventories all that garbage. Just stop, that shit is a crutch for actual world development. If you can't convey a difference in strength without going "Oh no, he's level 70 and I'm only level 25!!!!" then stop fucking writing. The only time this should exist is if the isekai IS a videogame.

>>160536350
>s the idea of being superior to everyone else in the world simply by virtue of hailing from a more advanced society

Eventually the point is always the same. Everyone always wants to have an edge on the others. This is true for everything

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>>160536123

Guess who never went to college.

>>160535742

Isekai literally means a different world, it's isekai.

>>160500236
That would improve Re;Zero but would completely ruin Konosuba.

>>160536739
Emilia is pretty much Eris with insecurities.
You know it to be true.

>>160511629
Doesn't she get her shit kicked in?

>>160536739
Konosuba without Aqua would actually be pure bliss.

>>160536266
>if you do
>So much so that the MC actually is desperate to go back
That's not escapist and doesn't fulfill wishes which is the purpose of most isekai WNs anon try again.

>>160526676
>>turns out the queen of some country in another world needs to get married soon, so she literally summons her fiancee
But why summoning?

>>160537073
Because she's the last of the line after a big war killed all her relatives, all the other candidates are power hungry and want the throne for themselves, and MC is actually the descendant of someone from the royal family who reverse-isekai'd to Japan a long time ago and bloodline is important since magical powers are genetic.

>>160536850
Actually no. Aqua and Kazuma , their interactions is what keep the show going.

>>160537252
Oh, that's nice.
Is that a manga or LN? Would check out.

>>160500115
More flawed heroes.
Less unbeatable heroes.
Less Japanese Jesus.

>>160537006
The purpose of a story is not escapism it's to teach you things. Escapism is a disease.

>>160500115

not being greedy about powers would a good start

pick one special power ONLY
it seems that most protags just want to be good at everything
take that cellphone isekai for instance.
Your super power is cellphones. Ok cool
Also I've made you super athletic. Whut...

>>160538916
More like
>Give everyone special powers instead of just the MC

Is there an isekai where the protag kills OTHER isekai main characters

>>160538916
>Also i've given you access to all magic, where normal people only get one type of magic
Forgot this one.

>>160537851
>Risou no Himo Seikatsu
It's pretty dope, if you don't get triggered by the stuff MC brings to make his life more comfortable. For some reason this rustles people's jimmies, even though it's more in line with a real person's thought process instead of some naive teen's wish fulfillment. The fact that MC doesn't think only with his dick is a nice plus.

You know a lot of the older mecha anime were isekai

maybe isekai need to go back to its mecha anime roots?

I want an isekai where the MC becomes a sentient AI in an advanced mecha prototype and is trying to survive a Not!Gundam universe. And the war is actually fought over the colony's sentient AI experiments.

>>160539890
True, Dunbine was an Isekai.

>>160531362
Not like the world would let him retire.

>>160500115
i think a big problem with the isekai genre is that to much of it has the protagonist being a reincarnator as not important to the plot and if the protagonist was just a normal resident of the world the story could still be done the same way

the genre mostly serves as wish fulfillment for people who want to live in a fantasy world/gather a harem

>>160539424
Thanks man!

>>160525785
>magic theory in the completely changed world he saw there was of unbelievably low level.
This has potential, I love the idea of exploring lost and more advanced civilizations.

>>160524192
im my opinion adventurer guilds are too multifaceted don't seem like a realistic organization, it sounds like something that organizes group expeditions to foreign places for members, but it's basically a temp agency/private military company

if the protagonist wants to be paid to go places to kill stuff for a living they should join a band of mercenaries

>>160539127
Try Death Mage doesn't want a fourth time.

It's not at that point yet, but the MC was pretty pissed at the other people who came with him and swore to kill them all.

>>160500115
>How do we improve the isekai genre?
By killing people off. The asspull of being brought to another world needs to be payed for with the deaths of many characters to make them bearable.

>>160500115
Fuck copyright and use established settings. I want a story about being isekai'd to Sigil with a harem of cute planeswalking waifus.

>>160500115
You can start by sending random fags to worlds that are not generic Western worlds.

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>>160536075
there's this one, but i don't like how the author didn't bother to even read the wikipedia page on bronze age civilizations, also the protagonist immediately teaches them how to into iron

>>160541544
Then read literally any story set in Sigil. That's the point of Sigil.

>>160540697
The problem is making his reincarnation important is an easy way to make him as bullshit as most protagonists. We brought you here, sir hero, for your mighty plumbing talents.

>>160541648
You say that but what is the alternative? Ancient eastern lands are pretty much checked off as well. You can't just make an original setting with no real tropes because that's not easy for actual, professional writers let alone people who make web novels.

Stop it with the "dungeon exploration" meme.

A "dungeon" is an underground cell in a castle where you lock up prisoners and torture them.

>>160541954
isn't that a problem of authors perverting the hero summoning from summoning a heroic being to summoning a NEET whose primary power is gathering a harem through the power of concentrated autism

>>160539890

Rayearth
Dual Parallel Adventure
Escaflowne