Haibane Renmei

>>160292489
It was boring and flopped. Also pretentious.

>>160292489
stupid and boring. didn't we have a haibane thread clutter up /a/ yesterday?? i'm feeling tired...

>>160292489
the plot was boring and made no sense. the animation was terrible, and the colors were bland and could put you to sleep. nothing else to be said really, moving on

>>160292489
People say it was too short, but it really should have just been a 4 or 5 episode OVA or maybe a small movie. There really wasn't much going on, so I don't get the point.

>>160292489
Why do some people have good taste while others have bad taste?

>>160292489
Because it was ABe's own little thing

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>>160292733
I hate nu-/a/ so much

If you're new to /a/ and lurking this thread, don't be like the dumbfucks you can observe above.

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>>160292867
listen, take your nostalgia goggles off and rewatch it. it won't be nearly as impactful or enjoyable the second time around when you realize all its flaws and shortcomings. truth be told, it's really on the low-end of the quality spectrum...

.hack//sign & Haibane are two of my favorite anime & both of them don't look that great visually.

But both of them IMO have fantastic stories that draw you into the world, but if you don't like that kind of slow-paced story telling, you won't like either of them.

It's also the same reason why I love Shinsekai Yori, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita & other similar anime.

>>160292826
atleast they havn't reached texnholyze and lain yet

but give them another months and they'll shit all over it

>>160292901
You say it like if it was a Toonami anime that people saw as a tween so it gets too much praise. Haibane Renmei is like any other anime one that you seek out and I don't see how nostalgia plays a part in it.

>>160292935
I always see people trash .hack but I liked Haibane and Shinsekai Yori
Should I watch it?

I love spot the newfag threads

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>>160292983
Nostalgia doesn't play a part really, he's just being a snide contrarian. He's also sucking shit at that, though.

>>160293024
whatever bro, threads about dead anime die quickly, so this thread won't last long, i guarantee it, you just watch...

>>160292993

It has one of the best soundtracks ever & the story is more of a super natural version of getting stuck in a video game.

The lore of the series is also really deep because there were several PS games, so even if you don't want to emulate them, you can learn a lot more about the universe through wikis.

There are a few other anime/manga in the .hack series, but //sign definitely has a different feel from the later ones.

>>160292670
>made no sense
You must be 18+ to post here.

>>160292489
It was a product of a specific time. It was written and designed almost entirely by Yoshitoshi ABe, and his friend Yasuyuki Ueda produced it. They worked together on Lain. I am not sure how they got funding for it, but the budget was fairly low. I don't think it sold particularly well at first, however it is regarded pretty highly over there as it got a blu-ray release years later, and ABe was able to sell lots of doujin's about it every year at Comiket for about a decade.

I think it really resonates with a particular personality type, or at least with people who have gone through similar things. If you can't relate to the characters at all (whether due to lack of life experience or just not like them) then I could see it being boring, as the first half is very slow.

>>160293305
>I think it really resonates with a particular personality type
yeah, shut-in beta autists who never went outside, i mean rakka literally acts and talks like an autist in the anime, maybe that's why so many on /a/ relate to her...

>>160292489
check out the thread from yesterday here: >>160158237

continuing from that I liked the last question someone posted:
"What did you guys think about that "circle of sin" stuff that the masked guy told Rakka about? If you recognize your own sin, then you have no sin or something. Was it easier for Rakka to get out of because of how the crows lured her to the dead one? Or was Rakka more courageous for even going down there in the first place?"

>>160293387
It is a very Buddhist and Christian idea.

>>160292901
>...
I watched it for the first time as well as twice more last year and it was even more impactful each time because I kept finding more details and meanings that I didn't pick up on with each viewing. Something's not "low on the quality spectrum" because a child like you didn't get it.

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>>160293387
So it says if you recognize your sin, you have no sin, but later on, the guy says you cannon forgive your own sin even if you recognize it. What did that mean?

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these ones didnt apparently

>>160292901
really? I thought it was better the second time around since you knew how to interpret all of the double meanings in the conversations and could see all the hints about what was coming.

The animation quality isn't great but the aesthetic is spot on and aged better than a lot of moe shows did.

>>160293465
cannot*

>>160292489
>Why do some people feel a deep, personal connection with the plot while others find it to be terrible and boring?
Because there was barely any narrative. It was mostly symbolic and symbolism is as subjective as you can get when it comes to writing devices.
As someone who doesn't care for symbolism, it did feel pretty underwhelming.

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>>160292489
Simple. It was shit.

>>160293510
Fuck off.

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>>160293598
Did I hurt your feelings, anon?

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>Naruto threads on /a/ used to get you banned
>Boruto thread up on /a/ completely unharmed, nobody bashing it at all

>Haibane threads used to be regular with enhanced discussions about its themes and storyline direction
>today, Haibane is treated worse than Naruto

>>160293465
It's a paradox you can feel trapped in. If you think you have no sin, you are prideful and therefore are sinning. If you recognize you are sinning then you can be forgiven, but you can't forgive yourself. The answer is that you can't save yourself, you need others. Rakka had the person represented by the bird (probably her mother or father) while Reki had Rakka reach out to her.

It was more along the lines of forgiveness and forgiving yourself. If you feel guilty over something, you will beat yourself up over it and feel like you dont deserve to be saved.

>>160293653
there was a thread for the past two days that hit 400 replies and there were barely any shitposts. It's luck of the draw.

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>>160293653

Hawawa~

>>160293498
>moe show
Moe=/=cute. Unless you're going out of your way to use such terms in a misguided attempt to get weeb cred, stop if you don't even fucking understand them and just describe them normally.

>>160293700
I literally cannot unsee that now

>>160293653
Boruto isn't popular as Naruto was back then

>>160293663
>The answer is that you can't save yourself, you need others.
Who saved Kuu?

>>160293760
In general, yes, but Boruto is far more popular than Naruto ever was on /a/ thanks to the nonstop 24/7 Generals.

>>160293788
Kuu wasn't ever trapped by the circle of sin, she was just a typical Haibane with her own flaws. Kuu realized she could be her own person without trying to be everyone else or something she was not. At that point she was ready to move on.

>>160293715
I meant moe style of the early 2000's. please don't make me go get the renmei to yell at you.

>>160293624
You said something so fucking stupid that that response was all I can give. You must have a very narrow idea of what makes for a tangible, "objective" narrative because the show is certainly not lacking in one. What the hell are your standards for narrative?

>>160293663
It's a kind of sick moral to be telling those as in real life there are countless people who need someone who never get someone even when they cry out for help.

>>160293897
Moe also isn't a style, you ape. It's a feeling similar to endearment. You could say that it was meant to illicit the feeling of moe but a cute style isn't inherently going for that. The use of blue in film is often used in dour or sad scenes but you wouldn't go calling all movies with a heavy use of blue a sad movie.

>>160293900
>What the hell are your standards for narrative?
A story? Haibane is pretty fucking vanilla when it comes to bare basic story. Compared to something like Lain where you need to understand a lot of shit to get a handle on the story, you don't really have to think at all to get the gist of its story, which is only in about 4 of its episodes spread out along the show.

>>160293962
It doesn't mean you can't be saved if someone doesn't come for you. Reki who was struggling reached out to others and became someone who could be saved.

In general if you try to connect with other people despite the possibility of being hurt by them you will feel so much better. Instead of turning inwards and bottling up your problems, its better to turn to others and share in your struggles

>>160294035
why are you so angry? you have a bird out there too, you know that right?

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>see Haibane OP, expecting comfy thread, 50 posts not bad
>come into thread
>people whining about the show and bickering back and forth

/a/ is kil

>>160294269
go read this one >>160158237 it was super comfy

>>160294290
Yeah, but slow as hell. It took 3 days to reach that many posts, and it didn't even hit the bump limit. This one's at 50 posts in the span of an hour, making this thread 6x faster, but it's filled with garbage. Why can't we have both a fast-moving and comfy Haibane thread?

>>160293851
>Kuu realized she could be her own person without trying to be everyone else or something she was not

Is that the plateau that Haibane are attempting to reach though? To become a complete person? I don't disagree with you, I'm just trying to figure out what triggers a Haibane to move on, and I think from there we can go back and figure out why they're in Glie in the first place.

I wonder if their presence is Glie is something so grand as becomming a complete person. I kind of think maybe the Haibane are drawn there in order to fix a certain character flaw. From the start, Kuu was a pretty childish and immature girl, tending to act like a child out in public and was often attempting to emulate the older Haibane she was friends with. Maybe Rakka's arrival finally instilled a feeling of being an adult there in old home, which allowed her to fix her own flaw of being childish (I don't know if you'd call that a flaw per se, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from). Kuu confided in Rakka she wanted to be like an older sister to her, and Rakka said she'd like that. Not long after, Kuu departs. We don't see much of them interacting, but it's not hard to believe that Kuu perhaps took on a more mature personality to help Rakka get accustomed to life there in Glie.

Similarly, Reki's flaw was her inability to rely on others. She began to learn how to rely on Kuramori, but she left before Reki was done. Reki then regressed to a point where she hid her flaw and learned to turn it around. Once Rakka came along though and showed her true kindness, she finally accepted that she could rely on others.

The flaws of the other characters are something we could guess at, but they're not spelled out quite as much.

>>160294167
I'm annoyed at you misusing that term, at the general misuse of the term in general, and on a larger scale, people feeling the need to use words like moe and shit all the time when they could just use English words instead. It leads to a bunch of idiots going around and using it incorrectly. The fact that moe carries such a negative connotation nowadays is proof of this. It's like how people misuse words like "animation" (when referring to the character designs, shot composition, or other elements that don't techically have to do with it), "epic", and "literally".

>>160294412
because it's Haibane. Not Lain, not any other good oldie. Haibane appeals to little people
threads were full and more fast moving, without garbage and trolls, at least 3 years ago; but people either leaves /a/, move on or die.

>>160294523

for me Haibane is about people dying without accomplishing anything, nor having any dream or a reason to live.
then you have people like Reki and Rakka who most likely committed suicide
so yeah, Kuu moved on because she realized that she can have a goal, that she had to become something, that she can't be childish and helpless all her life. Rakka helped to that, sure.
Reki on the other hand is more complex. She finally had a goal, but she could never forgive herself.

>>160294645
>literally
I literally think you're literally retarded for literally hating the usage of the word "literally."

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Does a Haibane's wings twitch when he/she has an orgasm?

>>160294756
Y-yamero, that tickles!!

>>160294756
Finally, somebody remembers.

>>160294756
Yes, and their halo spins faster
>tfw can't fuck a haibane because I am not secondhand goods

>>160294721
Underage posting is against the rules.

>>160294859
Wouldn't that be a problem for Rakka since her halo spinning faster would cause her hair to go out of control?

>>160294669
>most likely
I'd say definitely.

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>>160292489
Why is tomboy best girl?

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>>160294669
That's what I'm leaning towards too. I think they all had "flaws" and died unfulfilled. Glie seems to be a place where they can safely resolve those issues before moving on. I agree with you on Kuu and Reki. Rakka had similar issues as Reki did, but had the bird to "save" her and realize that people really did care about her and wanted to help her. Nemu probably resolved her issues by becoming friends with Reki and caring for her, and would have moved on if she wasn't waiting to help Reki. I don't know about Hikari and Kana. I could guess Hikari is kind of scatterbrained and doesn't think things through before talking, so being an older haibane "in charge" might help her. Kana is kind of lazy but I think she needs to accomplish something (like fixing the bell tower and being a responsible person) to move on.


>>160294412
>>160294669
I think we are only seeing more Haibane threads because crunchyroll just added it so people are finally seeing it again.

>>160292489
I thought nu-/a/ liked this sort of stuff to be "hehe pseud thoughts fight for social equality". Its comfy.

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Could a reboot of Haibane Renmei work today?

Say, it picks up where the old anime leaves off with the twin Haibane being born.

>>160294756
To be honest I don't think the haibane are all that sexual either. They are all teenagers/early 20's and nothing seems to really go on between them. Reki and Hyouko are the closest to a "thing" but even that wasn't for romance. Plus relationships would get in the way of why they are haibane and what they need to do to move on.

That and lewding the haibane feels kinda gross

>>160295229
there is no point though. It tells a complete story and adding anything else would just take away from its message and feeling of "realness"

The fact that you want more just goes to show how good it is, and nothing could live up to what you imagine happens after.

>>160295231
Lewding the Haibane feels weird. I can lewd almost anything but there's just something unlewdable about them.

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Sora no Woto is Haibane Renmei done right.

>>160295017
Rakka is kinda hard. Maybe she didn't want to commit suicide at the very end, but she coudn't help it or something happened, she slipped or something. She's a klutz.
>>160295118
Hikari has just to move on out her little world in her brain, and Kana is currently fulfilling what she must do, and she really likes it, so she doesn't wanna go soon at least until she fulfills it. But yes, I agree with your point.

>>160295229
No. Too much generic cute, bland scenarios, shitty cgi, and generic designs. Sure, Haibane had crap animation, but the scenario, design and even soundtrack was spot on.
Also Haibane is a really closed world, up to you to interpret it. Or read that murakami book.

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>try to find lewd pics of Rakka
>0 results found

Thank you, Internet.

At least some things in this world are still sacred.

>>160294669
>for me Haibane is about people dying without accomplishing anything, nor having any dream or a reason to live.
I agree, and this is why I believe that every Haibane in Glie killed themselves in some way and that's why they're there. I feel like dying without having accomplished much is pretty common, and most people on their death beads probably feel some form of that. The loss of the will to live however is something many depressed people feel, and is something you may end your life over. I think that ending up as a Haibane requires a specific set of circumstances to be met.

I think that the Haibane died in a specific set of circumstances, where both their full potential on earth was never realized, and that they were the ones who ended everything early. Whatever higher being controls that universe decided to give them one more chance, it deemed them worthy of trying again before finally moving onward. More importantly this god gave them a brand new start with a social support network they could rely on, in a town full of nice people, all so that they could try again. He took away the feelings that led them to the choices they made, and starts them back at square one.

At the same time, their lives in Glie aren't perfectly blissful. They have to live on the outskirts, can't hold any kob they want, and everything they own is second hand. To me, this feels a bit like a punishment. If they simply died young, why would god handicap them in this way in their second chance at life? That's why I also like the idea that Glie is a sort of purgatory for the Haibane. It's a second chance, but not an easy one. And if the Haibane fail to prove themselves, they are forever trapped in Glie, unable to move on.

>>160295503
Don't
please.

>>160295479
Suicide isn't something that you can by split-decision change your mind on and then suddenly slip. At least, not if you've been contemplating it enough to be sent to the strange limbo-afterlife.

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>>160294669
>Haibane appeals to little people
this is also the reason why this thread started out terribly, so you really cant blame them.

>>160295470
i just rewatched this yesterday, it cured my depression then gave it to me double once it was over

>>160295523
I'm with you on most of it, but I still don't think they were all suicides. I do think they probably died unhappily though. Rakka is very ambiguous whether she killed herself or just died in unfortunate circumstances. I interpreted it as her running away from home in the rain after arguing with her parents and feeling alone and then slipping and falling (maybe into a well?) and dying.

Glie is supposed to be safe and comforting but not comfortable. They have to have some motivation to keep moving forward and not get complacent. Hence the second hand goods and second class status. The townspeople do treat them well though despite that.

>>160295264
>It tells a complete story and adding anything else would just take away from its message and feeling of "realness"
I wouldn't mind an OVA or two, but only if they don't touch the main story. Have them set far in the past or future, don't mention any characters of the show. Really, if they focused on a Haibane in the abandoned factory that would be neat. We really don't have much info as to how they go about their lives.

>>160295708
Pretty much this. If you're depressed and you watch it, you start to feel nice until it's over and it REALLY hits you that not only will you never get to be a Haibane, people on this planet really can't be trusted as long as money exists, and no one can help you that can't help themselves.

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>>160295832
It depends on what you take from it. You might realize that you have a "bird" too and reach out to them. The world looks comfortable but being a Haibane isn't the best place for a person. It's better if you learn from it and try to make things better now. Otherwise what can you get from it? And there are good people out there, but they are people too and have flaws of their own. That's what Rakka notices in the 2nd or 3rd episode, they all have issues and are holding each other up.

I will admit old home looks super comfy though.

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>>160295527
You search this up for any other anime, you get tons of lewd and sexualized images, but for Haibane Renmei?

Nothing.

It's beautiful.

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This was a great scene but I don't have too much else to say about it. I enjoyed it but the plot didn't go in the sort of heartwrenching Angel Beats-esque plot I was hoping it would.

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>>160296165
It was more subtle though. Angel Beats was like the notebook, sad for sadness sake but it didn't have much depth to it.

I've got two IMCO lighters on my ebay watchlist, hopefully i can pick up one or the other. I'm taking some advice from the last thread, an authentic used one seems much more true to the spirit of the show than a new chinese copy. It's not easy to find them though.

It doesn't sell, sex sells, as said thousands of times. You don't have to keep making threads like this Anon, if you want a Haibane Renmei thread, just say so.

>>160296223
This, sex and violence are what sells, and this show barely has any of that. At least with Lain, you got to see her with her white shirt barely hanging on to her body and multiple nude shots. With Haibane, you just feel dirty imaginging them nude.

>>160296062
They're all over the Boorus.

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>>160296391
NO THEY'RE NOT SHUT UP

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>tfw you will never, EVER share a smoke with Reki on the balcony of the guest room as you sit in silence looking over the countryside and town during a freezing cold winter's night

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>>160296216
Yeah I was expecting something that just tried to make you cry and leave an emotional hit. What I got was something literary, not pulp entertainment like what you'd expect from the medium. So I understand why a lot of people don't like it, not only do they feel deceived by their expectations but they're left with something that requires awareness of things like imagery and metaphor to even understand. And I still don't totally understand what its all supposed to mean, which is how I also feel about a lot of classic literature.

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>>160296391
>go to the boorus
>find this

Um

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>>160296850

Daily reminder that there are legitimately no lewds for Texhnolyze.

>>160296850
Oh.

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>>160297042
Not surprising

>>160297042
>doesn't search the boorus

>>160297042
Well, shit, there may be no lewds, but that is one series that has fucked me sideways.

>>160296649
In one of the earlier episodes, Rakka says that she doesn't feel like she deserves to feel the happiness she is experiencing. That's kinda how the show made me feel. There are times when the show is light-hearted and happy, but there are also times when the cruelty of life in Glie is made apparent. For the Haibane to be able to move on, you realize they have to work through both the good times and the bad times. Once you realize this, I think you need to temper your own feelings and understand that it's okay for the characters to struggle and fail. It's all part of the journey, and you get a front row seat to their lives.

>>160297230
I did. If you'd link some Texhnolyze lewds, that'd be appreciated.

>>160295229
Let sleeping dogs lie, anon.

>>160296676
>Just leisurely take this in and I will be happy

Man, ABe is such a kind soul

>>160297293
I'm not sure I'd call Glie cruel though. It's a pretty warm and safe place, its just not babying them. Everyone there looks after you and the whole place is basically made so that you can become the best person you can be. But yes, its a melancholy feeling and its very honest.

>>160293653
>>160293696
OP wanted to make a general thread and got shitposted.

Lain was better.
Lain > Texhnolyze > Haibane

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Did any of you anons go into the show expecting something different than what you got?


>>160296554
There was an anon is the last thread who said smoking would always be cool, and I definitely agree.

>>160296475
Thanks for doing it for me.

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>>160298551
Doing what for you Anon?

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>>160298585
Posting lewd (mature) haibanes, you cretin, you.

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>>160298739
What's so lewd about casual?

>>160298045
You forgot Niea_7 and Despera.

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>>160298780
Hmmmm

Risque, maybe? Racy?

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>>160298938
If you say so, but I still think it's all in your head.

>>160298799
NieA is the worst, Despera transcends reality.

yoshii did nothing wrong

>>160298780
I think shes just doing yoga. Thats nice.

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>>160300286
(right to left)

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>>160300311
while I'm posting these, do you think the haibane look like they did before they died? Or is it just that no one would recognize them because of memories/their special case of being a haibane?

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>>160300344

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>>160300372

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>>160300414

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>>160300487
"The Haibanes of Old Home

Afterword

Continuing from the last episode, this is the 2nd chapter of Haibane. Although a fair
amount of time was allotted for this book, I almost didn't make it because some work
suddenly came up just before the deadline, but I did it somehow. Panels of late are
drawn larger as not to cram the dialogue into the speech bubbles. Because of this, the
the plot progression relative to the number of pages is slow, and I apologize for that.

Departing a little bit from gag manga, this change exposed the lack of technique in my
manga, and it is duely reflected in the work. Although it improves as I go along drawing
the manga, I'm still not used to drawing people and objects that aren't in small panels.
But on the flip side, it's also good that I can see the flaws of my drawings.

Regarding my principle on balance within a frame, I believe that in manga, on should
clearly connect to another, and can be seen from the arrangement of the lines. On the
other hand, any wavering should be a conscious choice.
The way to draw illustrations for A3 if you want to fill the paper up all the way, is to
draw the details of the picture as a whole first, but if you miscalculate something it
will throw the whole picture of the manga off.
The line count will be low for now, until I find a way so that the flaws don't show as
much, and I can eliminate all the bad parts that can be seen.
I'm doing my best, so please bear with me.

2001-12-19

Yoshitoshi ABe"

>>160298045

I like ABe better as a writer than Konaka.

Maybe it's just my tastes. But ultimately, with the first two, it's not that they have more style than substance, but their style gets in the way of their substance. It obscures and dilutes it.

>>160299954
Explain him and his motives to an idiot like me.

>>160296353

I sincerely hope you don't legit believe that THAT is why Lain is popular.

>>160298045
I feel the opposite. Haibane Renmei's themes and drama felt the most relatable and I ended up caring about said elements as well as its characters the most out of the three. Meanwhile, I've seen Lain a few times and hardly give a damn about its themes and messages, with the only elements that mattered to me being its overall aesthetic, sound design, opening, and soundtrack.

>>160293455
I don't agree with anon's overall opinion of the show, it's a favorite of mine, but the production values of Haibane Renmei were really really shit.

>>160301033
I do sort of agree with that. The more dramatic scenes look fine, the backgrounds are great, and the character designs are so good that I'm willing to forgive its general shittiness.

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>>160298045

>>160296223
Haibane sold more than Lain.10k.

>>160301199
Good.

>>160292935
HR looks great, except the CG windmills which are a bit jarring.

>>160301199
Source? Not saying I don't believe you, but I'd like to know the source.

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>>160301199
arguing over lain vs haibane doesn't really make sense. They are two totally separate shows about different things. Lain is more cerebral while haibane is more emotional. It's like all those people arguing over kimi no na wa vs koe no katachi. They are both great so why try to rank them?

>>160292901
I've seen it 5 times, it is always great.
I rewatched E7 for the third time earlier this year, a show that is just nostalgia for a lot of people, and enjoyed it more.

Good series don't have 'flaws and shortcomings' that flair out. Stop trolling.

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So, hear me out.

People had said for years now that Touhou could never work as an anime.

What if the Touhou anime's premise was similar to that of Haibane Renmei? Renko living in the normal world only for her to die somehow. When she wakes up, she has somehow be reincarnated in Gensokyo in the Human Village. The first episodes start out with her learning what's going on, and it builds up from there, introducing Touhou characters along the way.

Or is it literally a "I'll hate it no matter what because it's against my headcannon" type of scenario with all Touhou fans?

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>>160301727
would watch

>>160293653
Some dude hit the image limit in a guro doujin dump thread and continued in a Boruto thread the other day, the legend.

>>160294111
t. didn't watch the anime

>>160295231
They're adolescents, Anon.

>>160298045
Lain is an absolute mess. Texhnolyze is actually terrible.

>>160293387
>>160293465
>>160293663
I don't think it's really all as complicated as paradoxes or anything that logical, I think it's just a roundabout way of saying that Reki needs help without just blatantly spelling that out for either Rakka or the viewer.

The point is simply that she needs help, but she won't ask for it, which makes it impossible for her to get better. She's got to realize that she can't go it alone, she needs friendship and support to get better, but instead she traps herself in isolation - she's trapped in a circle of her own insecurities and problems.

This is why the simple act of saying 'help me' in the end is the climax of the whole show. This breaks her out of the circle and completes her character arc.

What's happening behind the wall?

>>160302108
It is that complicated. The concept is used because there is no systematic answer to it.

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>>160302213
But I thought Haibane Renmei was a simple show nowhere near Lain's impressive complexity!

>>160302257
Lain is honestly very simple, and just looks impressive because it's an absolute mess.

Some people will never get HR. I'm just happy there are people who do.

>>160302180
It's literally unknowable, like death. The disconnect between the two sides, or even the existence of another side, is absolute.

>>160302213
I mean, if you're this guy >>160293663 then we are essentially arriving at the same conclusion, which is that Reki needs to realize that she needs others.

I just see the phrase itself as a simple plot conceit though rather than something that really needs to be formalized into a discrete philosophical concept. Not that it's a big deal, there's nothing invalid about reading it that way, I just don't think it's necessary to get the meaning of it.

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I hope the afterlife can be whatever you want it to be, I wouldn't mind something resembling the town in HR. Peaceful roads with windmills. Beats living on clouds anyway.

>>160302507
No, I don't think that's the point.

>>160302551
Okay.

>>160298045
Get taste, son.
Haibane > Lain > Niea_7 > Texhnolyze

>>160302507
not them but i am >>160293663 and I largely agree with you. It works on multiple levels, you can read it as needing others, but you can also read into it more (what is forgiveness? what does it mean to be forgiven/for you to forgive yourself? etc)

>>160302180
who knows. Its both a plot point and a metaphor for real life. We don't know where the haibane go after their day of flight and thats largely the same as what happens when people pass on here.

Haibane Renmei was failed from the start.

- Main character isn't a kawaii moeblob or typical male shounen protagonist
- Story is slow
- Story is meaningful and actually requires some thinking
- Religious themes
- Relaxed colors
- No sex appeal
- No violence
- Nothing interesting to make a game out of
- Released at a time where HD torrents were getting popular, so no need to buy DVDs
- Not much to make into merchandise

>>160300824
this is why i cant choose a favorite. the deciding factor comes down to which you like the themes and messages of best.

>>160302685
Honestly, it's been years since I've seen it so a lot of it is pretty hazy, but recalling in particular how Reki treats Rakka towards the end, yeah I can definitely see forgiveness playing a role in the culmination of their relationship as well.

This thread is reddit tier.

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>>160302934
>implying Reddit would ever discuss this anime

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>>160302934
have a pissed off Hyouko

>>160302744
Rakka is easily described as moe by many people, including me. Moe isn't a bad thing.

>>160303634
She's definitely on the low-end spectrum of moe. She's more dainty than moe.

I saw that there's a Russian fandub. How is it? Also, where is the alternate ending theme used? It never played on any version I've seen and I wish I had a version that did use it.

Meanwhile
Despera never

>>160304293
>on top of that, Dream Machine never

I wish this and Sora no Woto weren't the center of a stupie meme about comparing them. They're wildly different shows.

>>160292489
>Why has no one ever attempted an anime like this again?
What is Sora no Woto? Unless you're talking about the afterlife setting, in which case try Angel Beats.

>>160292489
>Why has no one ever attempted an anime like this again?
Because it requires taking risks. And it's not good financially speaking.

>Did it bomb in Japan?
No, it sold decently.

>Why do some people feel a deep, personal connection with the plot while others find it to be terrible and boring?
Because the show relies 90% on its abstract symbolism, has a simple story that gets elevated by its imagery and people who didn't find any worth in those on a personal level will be pissed of at its very narrow focus instead of having a political intrigue or something of the sort and would've preferred an in-depth literal exploration of something that's clearly meant to be allegorical and used as such on multiple levels.

Overall it's a very good show, the abstract symbolism it relies so much on is perfectly woven into the narrative, its understatedness, slowness and quietness is effective at immersing you and making you more intimate with the characters and their struggle. It also offers a very in-depth exploration of altruism (and its true worth), a meaningful clash between stoicism, stained optimism and nihilism. Takes depression and suicide seriously without going full juvenile edgefest, the juxtaposition of light and dark is great which results in its particularly drab presentation, even in the most cheerful moments, many people will find to be "boring". The drama is compelling and poignant and it's surprisingly intricate once you figure it out despite its narrow focus. I also felt very strong anti-escapism vibes, which is always good.

On a technical level, it's decent. The animation quality isn't that bad (only 3 episodes have really shit animation, 6 are meh and 4 are good). The directing is mediocre, with many continuity errors but is good when it needs to be good. The art is great and aesthetically spot on, the OST is wonderful and very diverse. The voice acting is good, mature without sounding dull.

I'd give it an 8, I enjoyed it very much.

I have a feeling that the sudden influx of people shitting on this show might have something to do with it recently being added to Crunchyroll.

>>160292489
From what I recall, it's more popular in the West than in Japan and today is rather forgotten over there, though it didn't actually flop and actually sold decently. Actually, as far as I know, Abe's stuff is better regarded outside of Japan, as people there don't really seem to care much about his work.

>Why has no one ever attempted an anime like this again?
Shows of its kind don't really sell well over there.

>>160305883
Only 6 people "shat" on it by calling it boring, so it's not worth a lot. There was a 400 posts thread 2 days ago with nothing but praise.

And despite starting poorly, the thread became decent. Pretty tame as far as shitting on something goes.

Which Haibane with you like to hold hands with the most, /a/?

>>160307284
Rakka, easily. She's so pleasant and wonderful.

>>160307284
Hikari

>>160300344
>while I'm posting these, do you think the haibane look like they did before they died?
I think so. There's nothing really to suggest they don't. Often they see parts of themselves in their dream, which they don't mention is any different than they look now. I think they're born as Haibane at the physical age they died at, then they get a few years to mature and developed before leaving again.

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This episode fucked with me pretty badly. Also, this is unrelated but I'm halfway through Texhnolyze and I need some motivation to continue it. I've generally liked it so far but I'm a little annoyed how vague several elements like Ichise's reason to do a lot of things or Yoshii's motives are and I lack an emotional connection. Ichise's and Yoshii's motives are probably much simpler than I think they are but the thought that I could be misinterpreting them still lingers.

Definitely the best anime of all time.

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>>160308950
Been a few years but if you are halfway then Yoshii's involvement in the story will be ending soon enough and then everything start spiralling into chaos so there's a lot more going on then.

It's a difficult show to watch, Lain as well and personally not sure I would have stuck with either had threads on both not kept coming up

>>160308950
You find out Yoshii's reasons for everything and where he comes from later. If you're already half way it's definitely worth continuing.

I watched 3 episodes of it I think. It never caught my attention, I was kinda bored throughout it. Maybe it's because I already knew the twist as I was spoilered here, but I don't know. Just didn't feel like any character was interesting by that point.
I actually felt the same with Sora no Woto, I finished this one, but I was much more interested in the setting than the characters, I didn't like their dynamics that much.

>>160301033
>One of the best OSTs
>Nice looking backgrounds
>Memorable character designs
>Good voice acting
>Aesthetically spot on
>Fitting and versatile artstyle

>Inconsistent animation quality (ranges from shit to good), serviceable overall
>Uninspired cinematography (ironically goes well with the show's unassuming nature), amateurish directing for the most part but is good when it needs to be good

>The CG windmills look bad in the first part of the show but somehow look good in the second one

Overall Haibane's production values were fine, enough with the "shit production values" meme already.

>>160311521
I forgot to add

>Average sound design

Not like it matters that much anyway.

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>>160294756
Why you have say that

What happens if a human commits a crime against a Haibane in Glie? Rape, murder, robbery, etc. Are they punished more severely or less severely than if they committed the same crime against another human?

What if a Haibane kills/rapes/Rob's a human? What happens to them?

>>160292489
>Why has no one ever attempted an anime like this again?
it's literally just cute girls doing cute things

if you mean in terms of atmosphere there's mushishi

My first and third favorite anime are slow paced and have really shitty visuals so aesthetic and fast-paced action shit don't matter to me, but I found Haibane to be a colossal bore and generally shit. I didn't develop any feelings towards any of the characters, and the world was semi-interesting but not "immersive". Also, part of the biggest reasons people shit on Haibane's visuals is because their so boring and bland. The entire world is either brown, grey, or very dull green.
>inb4 it's metaphorical and symbolizes shit about this and that and its super deep
Lain, Nekojiru-Sou, Evangelion, and thousands on thousands of other anime have deep meanings portrayed through symbolism and meraphors, and all of them manage to be interesting. "Deep, philosophical, and metaphorical" isn't an excuse for being a boring story with boring characters

>>160308950
>Ichise's reason to do a lot of things

There isn't much, it's impulse. That's the point. He has no purpose.

>>160313320
Fair enough, it's not for everyone. What are your first and third favorites?

>>160313320
Quality shitpost.

>>160292489
>Why has no one ever attempted an anime like this again?

Nips fear original and unique works more then they fear physical intimacy

>Did it bomb in Japan?

I don't think it did well, since nips have horrid tastes.

>Why do some people feel a deep, personal connection with the plot while others find it to be terrible and boring?

Because some people are stupid faggots that can't get invested in anything with a modicum of complexity in it.

>>160313320
>"Deep, philosophical, and metaphorical" isn't an excuse for being a boring story with boring characters
>Lain, an absolute mess of a show with a main character that could've been replaced by a stool and nobody would've noticed the difference. Ends up choking on its own next to impenetrable crypticness making reading blog posts about it more entertaining than watching the damn thing.
>Evangelion, vapid angstfest with characters only defined by their psychological issues towards which it is impossible to feel empathy, the few themes it manages to convey are heavy-handed and shoehorned to a subpar story. The drama is laughably bad also.

>brown, grey, or very dull green
Melancholy, ever heard of it?

Haibane Renmei isn't even especially deep, it asks relatively basic questions about human existence, knows that those same questions are unanswerable (for now at least) so it offers an introspective experience with its abstract symbolism.

It's not the best thing ever, but what it does, it does it well at the very least.

>>160305276
ahahaha how have I not seen this one before this is great.


>>160305857
yea pretty much that

>>160306020
ABe is still pretty well known over there though, hes got a pretty big following at things like Comiket and it makes news when he starts something new.

>>160311521
The production was mostly fine but there are a few scenes with really dodgy (or no) animation, and a few times where Rakka is drawn a bit derpy. For the most part though its done well though, especially when it matters. I love the aesthetic and how everything is sepia toned instead of bright colors like every other show.

>>160314223
I really liked the muted colors though

Assuming, under christian mythology, that Glie = Purgatory/Limbo, it follows that beyond the walls = Hell

>>160317117
It might just be nothingness or something spiritual. I don't think its hell, since the goal for the haibane is to "fly over the wall"

I think its more likely to be the way to the next world, or the reality that Glie is shielding them from until they are strong enough.

>>160311140
What do you believe the "twist" is?

>>160312708
Confirmed for never watching it.

Today's lesson, OP: never try another thread.

>>160313463
That's what I thought. The show's reputation made me think that I might not be getting him but I guess I more or less do.

>>160313757
Nothing's unique or original and Haibane Renmei is certainly not if such a thing was real. It's heavily inspired by a book and borrows a lot from it.

>>160317117
I think it's a mistake to analyze the story with a Christian point of view. There's nothing really to indicate that the story is based on the Christian afterlife or morals.

Secondly, purgatory and limbo are two different things, I think. I'm no biblical scholar but i think they refer to different places. From what I remember growing up in a Catholic household and school, getting into purgatory meant you were going to heaven, just not yet. Limbo on the other hand was like hell-lite. It was in hell, but it wasn't quite as bad. If you got sent to limbo though, there was no salvation and getting into heaven. In purgatory you would eventually make it to heaven, in time.

I don't think Christians believe that humans become angels in heaven either. Angels are like their own thing, when people go to heaven they're just there, they don't get wings.

>>160317615
God, the idea it's just eternal "nothingness" is more depressing than anything else. The idea that they just cease to exist is sadder than imagining how they got to Glie in the first place.

>>160318403
Sorry I didn't mean to imply that they just cease to exist, I meant more that Glie is existing in its own metaphysical space. What "exists" beyond the wall might not matter. Taking a "day of flight" doesn't mean they physically fly over the wall, it means they move on to whatever is next. Whether thats some form of the afterlife or reincarnation back on Earth is up to you. The renmei implies that they will see their friends again, and there are hints of Kuu still "watching over Rakka" when she is in the wall, so I don't think its nonexistence.

>>160318309
While the setting was largely lifted from Hardboiled wonderland, the scope of it and the characterization/plot are completely different. Plus wonderland is set entirely in the characters mind, while haibane is more of some kind of inbetween-purgatory place. Glie also feels more like a kind place that is meant to help and guide you, while "the town" is more ambivalent and nihilistic.

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>>160302108
This looks to me like the straightforward and "correct" interpretation of the phrase. An alternate way of looking at it occurred to me recently, though: essentially that there are two equally self-consistent/stable/reasonable approaches to take to relating to other people. There's what I internally refer to as the "evangelion" approach where you view being close to someone else as a case of mutually assured destruction; both knowing all the hidden vulerabilities of each other, and threatening to use them to hurt as much as possible if provoked. And the inverse, where you know that won't happen, and the reason it won't is in some sense *because* of the knowledge that it won't. Hard to express in words, but "to know your sin is to have no sin" is damn close.

I'm not saying either is better for everyone - both have benefits and drawbacks - but if NGE is an expression of the emotional state of the former, HR is an expression of the emotional state of the latter.

>>160318122
i watched it recently dumbass

>>160318719
My point is that anything that borrows from anything is inherently unoriginal and not unique so absolutely nothing is. Saying something is is admitting that you don't know if it has any influences or borrows from anything.

>>160318982
It's not a cute-girls-doing-cute-things show. It's a supernatural slice-of-life for the first five episodes and a supernatural drama show for the rest of the episodes with some slice-of-life elements. Its atmosphere is also not similar to Mushishi's at all.

I went ahead and bought one of those lighters. I'm watching another auction for one, might scoop that one up too. Maybe my secret Santa this year will be a Haibane Renmei fan.

>>160319153
>It's a supernatural slice-of-life for the first five episodes and a supernatural drama show for the rest of the episodes with some slice-of-life elements.
slice-of-life with cute girls is cute girls doing cute things
>Its atmosphere is also not similar to Mushishi's at all.
when cute girls aren't doing cute things it's the same kind of wolf's rain/ kino's journey mellow atmosphere

>>160320001
Disregarding that the characters likely weren't intended to be necessarily be cute, most of the show is a drama show so calling that is stupid. There's also the fact that all of those shows have different tones. Just throwing a blanket over them because they're all generally mellow is reductionistic because for example, in Haibane, a lot of its atmosphere is also very depressing, horrific, and even claustrophobic.

>>160301367
Haibane Renmei 2002 Fall 5,183 5,261 10,444 ¥124.9 Radix doujinshi(from someanithing blog)

>>160320753
thats pretty decent actually

>>160292959
Haibane is overrated, but I still enjoyed it and thought it was good.
Lain was just pretentious. What's the point of so many convoluted episodes for such a shitty payoff? The symbolism was blatant, the story was uninteresting, and the characters weren't engaging. The whole theme it was trying to push was really very simple and is covered in many other pieces with actually entertaining stories.

>>160321643
What is Lain pretending to be in your eyes?

>>160321643
I'd be curious to see what you think the theme Lain was trying to convey is.

>>160324579
80% of the budget went into animating that, but that's one hell of a glorious self-pitying twirl if I ever saw one.

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>>160324579
>Rakka saves Reki from train
>"Does this mean I'm now forgiven?"

Reki will be Reki until the very end. :^)

>>160324579
The whole last two episodes were mesmerizing. For not a lot happening the tension was incredible. Until the end I wasn't sure Reki would actually make it.

I read in an interview that ABe originally was considering having it have an ambiguous/open ending. But I prefer the one they chose.

>>160292489
meme arrows that expression when Ka Anor and Shuma Gorath in the same room with Void Martianman

>>160325215
It was still open ended in a way, I think. With Reki gone, Nemu is the oldest one there by several years. If she leaves soon after Reki, maybe next winter or later that summer, the oldest one will be Kana or Hikari (I don't know which of them hatched first). Physically both of them are at least 2-3 (probably more) years younger than Nemu and Reki, which leaves a big maturity gap in place. Can the adult Haibane left take charge either seperately or together and run Old Home the way Reki and Nemu did? Does Nemu realize this issue, will it delay her day of flight at all? When Kuramori left, we don't really know if there were older Haibane than Nemu and Reki, but if not then they managed okay. Does Nemu believe Kana or Hikari can take over like she and Reki did?

>>160293131
ahem

>>160326269
They already implied that Nemu and Reki were there for a really long time Haibane-wise. I bet Nemu left within a few days or weeks of Reki.

They have the house mother to help them with the young ones, and Hikari already showed some signs of maturing by the end of it. And I bet Kana can be mature when she has to, plus Rakka has matured a lot. Plus they have a better relationship with the Haibane at the abandoned factory now, so I'm sure things will be different but ok.

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>>160300065
Exercise is healthy

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>>160292507
>>160292573
>>160292670
>>160292733
>>160292759

smells like summer.

>>160326507
I dunno if Nemu will leave that soon, I have a feeling it'll be a little while. She has been there for a long time, longer the Reki at this point, but I think she has a ways to go still. I think ensuring that things will run smoothly in her absence is a big part of it. Her coworker just had a baby, and I'm sure she's worried that leaving work will cause problems. Besides that, now that Reki is gone I bet the house mother is going to be bugging her about a replacement assistant. Maybe Rakka will ask to change jobs and help with the young feathers? I feel like her job inside the wall was intentional on the part of the Renmei to help her help Reki.

Kana is an interesting Haibane, it seems like she's the first one in a long time to really be interested in fixing stuff around Old Home. She found that diary up in the clock tower, but none of the Haibane at the time knew who was working up there. I think she's good for old home in that she can fix some of the stuff as it ends up breaking, hopefully so that it lasts for long after she leaves. Hikari shows a lot of promise in her ability to take over some of the day to day tasks like cooking an organizing, but I feel like she lacks a bit of confidence.

As for the Haibane at the abandonded factory, both Nemu and I think Hikari said that they enjoy being segregated so I think that the abandonded factory will be where the boys and some girls end up staying. I feel kinda bad for the guys hatched at Old Home. Do they get to sit in bed for a day and then shipped off to the factory? Or do they just decide to go there to be with other guys? Not really sure how it works.

>>160326988
I think the renmei communicator already said Nemu would have left already if it weren't for Reki. Reki was there 7 years and she was "pushed out" while Nemu has been there 9. I think her struggle or main issue as a Haibane was dealing with supporting Reki, which happened maybe 7 or 8 years prior.

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>>160296062
you used the wrong worrd

>>160302624
>>160301987
Why?
I felt like Haibane is more directionless than both of them.
I guess I just don't get SoL shows, or what "comfy" means.

>>160327564
>actually searching this

You deserve to be banned.

>>160311140
well it hooked me after 8 episodes and the last episode was fucking great . i'd say to give it another chance

>>160327666
What do you mean by "directionless"? The show goes somewhere as far as I remember.

It's a Slice of Life/Iyashikei, so of course there's gonna be some aimlessness here and there, but nothing too annoying.

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was angel beat better than HR ?

>>160327337
>I think the renmei communicator already said Nemu would have left already if it weren't for Reki
He gave Rakka a general idea of some of the issues surrounding Reki's troubles. I don't think he implied that Nemu is only there because Reki hasn't left, but that Reki's inability to remember her dream does weigh heavily on Nemu. There's no real "set time" that a Haibane remains in Glie for. Kuu wasn't there for long at all.

In Reki's case, the communicator guy said that if Reki didn't leave by the end of the winter she'd be stuck there forever. I didn't take this to mean that each Haibane has to leave by a certain number of years, but instead it hinted that Reki was getting close to giving up, and simply accepting that she'd be there forever. If that happened, then it would be impossible to help her leave. Maybe every Haibane has to keep the hope of one day leaving alive in their minds in order to still have the possibility of leaving. Reki was on the verge of completely giving up the idea that she would ever leave, and if she did that, maybe it's what would doom her to remain.

>>160327855
they are totally different things. Angel beats is a tearjerker and is more about specific characters. Haibane Renmei is my symbolic and about grief and forgiveness in general. And they have totally different aesthetics.

>>160327851
Half the episodes are about world building (and the world is still left largely open to interpretation) and stuff.
I know there's not really an "overarching plot" to the anime (I guess Reki's redemption is the closest thing to it, but it only becomes important on the last third), but that's what I don't like, I prefer shows with clear-cut overarching narrative and plot.
Lain and Tex are not exempt of having episodes that could be considered "filler" (I don't think that just because they're building the world or characters instead of advancing the plot they're filler but just bear with me), but I felt that as a whole they were far more cohesive.
In Lain what's happening during the show is the wired and the real world merging together, and all episodes are a manifestation of this idea in some sort, Tex is more similar to HR in the regard that until the Yoichi stuff starts there seems to be a distinct lack of plot, but once it begins it's pretty regular, first with the Yoichi arc, then with one or two episodes of more worldbuilding and then with the arc of the blue-haired man.

Just my opinion I guess, I liked HR for the mystery surrounding the angels and the character drama, that's why I felt annoyance at the comfy SoL episodes.

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>>160327564
>Arabic Google

I'm not surprised in the least.

>>160327999
but Reki wanted to stay forever as a haibane, she didnt want to move on OR give up on being a haibane. She didn't have a choice though. You saw her halo flickering, that was essentially the world saying youve got to resolve this or you are done. I dont think there is a specific time limit, but Haibane generally leave after becoming a more fulfilled person, or if they fail they no longer become a haibane and live at the temple.

>>160328069
Eh, not really. The comfy part sets up characters, symbolism, atmosphere and is full of foreshadowing. It is then used and turned around in the 2nd part.

Pretty much asking whether good deeds can equel eternal bliss, if altruism and kindness coming from blissful ignorance is actually worth something or not.

>>160328090
>but Reki wanted to stay forever as a haibane, she didnt want to move on OR give up on being a haibane.
Are you sure you're not falling for how she justifies giving up? Reki knows as well as anyone that you don't get to be a Haibane forever. I think she adopted a "sour grapes" outlook as the winter progressed, pretending that she was fine with remaining in Glie and didn't care if she moved on. In reality she was scared shitless about what was going to happen to her. She snapped at Rakka in the scene in that painted room because she was desperately trying to convince herself that she wanted to stay. If it had been anyone besides Rakka she might very well have scared them off and ended up staying in Glie forever.

I think she realized time was short, and yet she still felt like she wouldn't be able to ask for the help she needed. She kept that painted room a secret until Rakka happened to stumble inside. I think by the end she knew all she had to do was ask for help, and up until the last second she felt like she couldn't do it.

>>160329044
She was only like that after she found out how little time she had left. Particularly when she argued with the communicator about staying at old home and he said that she didn't have a choice and that wasn't an option.

Also I'm pretty sure by the time she was in her studio she wasn't going to stay in glie, she was going to end her existence by train. I think thats unusual as far as haibane go but it looks like what was going to happen.

>>160327564
Fuck you.

>>160294721
check out this cunt

>>160327564
That is not halal.
Not at all.

>>160329044
I agree with most of this though. I was more thinking about the beginning of winter when she goes to talk to the renmei after Rakka falls sick.

>>160330037
>She was only like that after she found out how little time she had left.
Hearing that lit a fire under her butt for sure, and as the gravity of the situation set in she felt like she had to make a decision and at the same time she felt it was impossible to ask for help. She was taking the easy way out, in a way, because she decided on the option that didn't rely on anyone else. She thought she could handle it, but in the end she relented and broke down. Obviously both choices were very tough, but Reki is a tough girl and a bit stubborn when it comes to certain things.

>>160330148
I feel like the train scene was more of a metaphor for the choice she was going to make. I don't think she was literally going to get flattened by a dream-ghost train, I think that it represented her refusing to ask for help.

I don't know if you buy into the suicide theory, but if we assume that she did kill herself by getting hit by a train, then her dream is the last memory she had in her previous life. If we extrapolate further, we could assume that the reason she felt driven to suicide in her past life was due to her inability to rely on others, then again allowing herself to be struck by the train (though, not literally this time) is an admission of failure on her part to change. If she can't change, then she has learned nothing from her time as a Haibane and will be doomed to remain in Glie forever.

But those are just my assumptions, and we all know what happens when you assume things.

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>>160327667

>Full female cast anime
>Searching "Haibane Renmei hentai"
>The most you get are cute kisses and nipples, you don't even see anything
>People are legitimately pissed if you post it

No idea whether I should be amazed or creeped out.

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>>160327564
Reki is not happy whit you anon

>>160293131
well time to kys my man

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>>160296554
Life is suffer

>>160292489
overrated

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>>160331695
Looks pretty happy to me

>>160332544
I swear people who negatively ""criticize"" Haibane can only offer blanket statements and throw random buzzwords around.

It actually works to the show's advantage, so thanks.

>>160332680
w-where did you get this scandalous image?! Reki would never pose for something so lewd and demeaning!!

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>>160293131
I've come back to laugh at you

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>>160333497
There is nothing demeaning about feeling happy and good with someone you love.

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>>160333679
i wonder how a haibane's bra works...

>>160328069
Haibane Renmei has an overarching plot, though. The beginning chunk of the show was to set up an environment and group of people that Rakka loved and appreciated and then the situation with Kuu leaving happened, which caused her to feel distant from everyone else. These fueled her feelings of inadequacy and caused her to get trapped by her lack of self worth. I don't remember exactly how but this and other stuff ended up leading to her helping out Reki.

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Pretty much one of the best anime created desu~

>>160330693
I definitely think Reki was a suicide, or at least didn't try to get out of the way of the train/was too scared/gave up in her original life. The train is clearly a reference and callback to that, but I still think she would have ended her existence there in the studio.

>>160334493
Indeed. It has my second favorite fictional setting of all time behind Aqua from Aria.

>>160335286
I thought it was a pretty central point that the pseudo-afterlife was so that they could resolve the issues that caused them to kill themselves.

>>160335673
I don't think all of them were suicides though. The only blatant one was Reki, and possibly Rakka, though she may have just accidentally died while running away from home. I think most of them just died unfulfilled while young, and Glie is a chance for them to fix their flaws before moving on.

>>160333840
the same as a normal one? unless the wings are really far out to the outside of your body they arent in the way unless you wear a sports bra or something.

>>160321702
I used pretentious incorrectly for effect. I suppose it would be more correct just to say it does what it does poorly
>>160321802
The central themes I drew from Lain would be Perception vs Reality, sense of self/identity, and what it means to be a conscious being. The main one out of those would definitely be about self-identity.

>>160336266
You can see the wings erupt here
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>>160300344
And in the first episode. It seems to be on the upper back, right about where a bra strap would rest. I don't think it would be a huge deal once the area has healed, but you definitely won't be wearing a bra for that first month or so. Male Haibane must have it kind of easy, they can go topless the whole time as they heal.

>>160335286
You know the mystery is kind of a lot of the fun in Haibane Renmei. Reki might not even have known what would happen to her if that "train" hit her there in her studio. Would her wings be torn off? Would she simply dissapear? Would nothing happen? Was it a symbolic scene, did the dream even come to life right in front of her and Rakka? Or was it simply a metaphor for Reki standing on the edge of fate?

I don't think we can answer any of those questions for absolute certain, we can only bring our own thoughts into the discussion and voice them. There are so many interpretations of the story that it creates a wide array of discussion topics, and I don't think anyone is necessarily wrong in how they viewed certain scenes.

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>>160336649
I think youre right, and that's why it has so much staying power and why its affected so many people. Everyone can read into it based on their own interpretations and life experiences and relate to it that way.

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progress pics on the famous one from the album cover

>>160292489
I always wished they would make a sort of sequel that focused on the outside world and the lands that the merchant journeys through.

>>160337168
There is no outside world anon. Beyond the walls is nothingness. The renmei put on the event of the "toga" arriving regularly as a ruse to keep the haibane thinking there is a world out there. If no one ever came into the town or left, eventually the haibane would realize that the "day of flight" is a spiritual ascension to another plane, and that the friends and family they lose over the years will never come back. The haibane would learn to fear the day of flight and refuse to undertake it. It would be something to fear instead of something to celebrate and look forward to. As it is now, the haibane all believe there is a great wide world out there just waiting for them to be ready.

>>160337617
I think the Haibane know its a spiritual ascension and not a literal "fly over the wall and go exploring" sort of thing. And I think once they are ready for their day of flight, something clicks in them (Kuu's droplets in the cup) and they know its time and where to go. Plus if they were just going to fly over the wall, why would there be a big beam of light?

from an interview with ABe in 2003:

"ABe: Murakami Haruki's Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World is my favorite book, and I've already read it more than 10 times. When I was small, I had imagined "a town surrounded by a wall" in my head, which matched the hero of the novel, and thus I think I was influenced by it a lot. The town surrounded by the wall where Haibane-Renmei occurs is based on my own childhood imagination, but without Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World, it might have been a little different. In this context, you can say I was influenced by the novel. I was thinking of the novel when I made things like having each episode's title made up of three phrases, as well as the birds, the well, the wall, the inviolable forest, and the library, but it was only so at the superficial level of the words. The actual content of the anime was not influenced. "

"On May 2nd 2002, to be exact the morning of May 3rd, I finished writing the initial plot of the story titled "Haibane-Renmei." I clearly remember now the feeling of exaltation of that time, as well as the sensation of my fingertips hitting the keyboard. As if drawing a straight line with a ruler, certainly I was able to descend into my own unconsciousness, [into] the bottom of memories which I did not want to uncover. The things I discovered there, were things that had no meaning to people except me, but they became a guiding light that illuminated the ending that the story must have.

All of the elements of the story "Haibane-Renmei" connect with my memories in this manner. I think that the nature of that construction made this story (at least to myself) a special thing."

"ABe: Each of the Haibane characters was created by reflecting a little of my own problems or memories, from when I was very young until my late teens. It was only when I arched my mid-20s that I could revisit them calmly enough. Before then, it would have been impossible for me to re-examine my own experiences in the shape of a story. On the other hand, if I became much older, although I might be able to tell the story more skillfully, I don't think I would be able to sympathize with the characters in their ideas and actions."

"the name "Kuramori" was something which popped up in my head with a slight modification from kurumori-kou (Chrome-Molybdenum Steel), which somehow caught my attention when I read a bicycle catalogue, and lingered in my memory. The origin of her name, "Kuramori," in the anime has nothing to do with the metals. If kanji were to be used, I was planning to use the kanji for either "storehouse keeper" or "dark forest." Haibane-Renmei was especially constructed from things that popped up in my head, from spontaneously incoherent memories that were linked in a strange way, just as in dreams."

"ABe: As for names, because I was making the story ad lib, "Kuu," "Kana," "Hikari," and "Nemu" just popped up in my head when I was drawing the panel where they were introducing themselves in the dojinshi. I didn't have very clear idea of their meaning at that time. When Reki's name came to my mind, I realized it was about her death scene for her case and, in conjunction with that, the meanings of the names of the other characters became clear. As for what the names signify, I leave that for the viewers to decide as it wasn't descried in the anime."

"ABe: In the west of the town there is an area for the craftsmen, and it also has a haibane nest. ... Haibane in the craftsmen area are a little exclusive and not keen to mix with haibane from other areas."

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>tfw if you just pulled the trigger all those years ago you could be in Glie having fun with your fellow Haibane instead of disaster you find yourself in now

"ABe: The Wall is what separates the world, and it is something absolute. The Wall has a power, which is neither good nor evil. So it may protect you or harm you, depending on how you see it. The Wall protects the haibane from what they shouldn't know."

"ABe: The way they look and the way they behave are those of a religious order, but they do not worship any particular deity. If I must put it into words, it is an organization to act for the sake of haibane, but they do not worship them. They are just taking care of them so that their "Day of Flight" will happen properly. There is a line that suggests that Washi was a haibane who "couldn't leave the nest" (or refuses to do so by his own will). Other members of the Renmei might be the same.

There is a background story for the Toga, but again, I'll keep it a secret. This is the same for other secrets; please imagine for yourself and think why you felt that way. That might make you realize things in your mind. This story is made to be viewed in such a way."

"ABe: Whenever I talk to American people, I feel that they, compared with Japanese people, cannot leave things ambiguous (I'm not saying it's a bad thing, of course). For example, many questions in this interview ask for clear answers to ambiguous parts of the anime. Haibane-Renmei is, as the title suggests [hai means "ash gray" in terms of color], a story with various things in gray, that is, a story with many ambiguous factors. It is not a story to find answers, but one to wonder about the answers. In regard to things whose answer is not clearly shown in the story, think for yourself and apply your own answers to it. That will surely make the story very special for you."

>>160338280
>amerilards are too stupid to think for themselves

"As for Kuramori, I thought at the outset that I would use 暗い ["kurai"/"dark"] and 森 ["mori"/"forest"], but I am perplexed as to whether I should use 蔵守 ["kura-mori"/"Storehouse-Guardian"] as in 蔵を守る ["kura o mamoru"/"to guard the storehouse"]. Now, if somehow a scene should come up in the story in which I must make a decision, it would probably be "to guard the storehouse." Only, there are many candidates...... Well, what should I say; there is something like a "sound-novel" in my head before solving it. There are many choices, but I haven't decided yet."

"Ueda: Yes, I think so too. I guess you had to write scenarios in too much volume…… Oomori-san and Tokoro-san understood it very well and told me, “Pauses give life to this [animation].” Thus, actually they had created pauses during the cutting in the harsh production process, but…… After adding voices and art to create “atmosphere” for the animation, I came to realize, “Somehow it needed more pauses.”

ABe: I agree.

Ueda: Probably, needless to say that if it had had so many pauses that we, the staff, became scared, it would be a perfect finished product. But if we had worked in this way, the story would never have ended, just as if [we were] out of control. Initially, the story was planned to have an open ending, but somehow we changed it, but still you are saying that…… Well, eventually [the animation] turned out to be successful, so what we did must have been right. Don’t you agree?"

>>160337617
>Beyond the walls is nothingness.
The guy comes from outside the walls though

""A: Exactly. Were everything to function very well without any waste, just as if all of the gears were meshing together perfectly, it would seem very artificial, I think. Especially because [the town of Guri] is a minimal world surrounded by a Wall, if all of the contents were to perfectly mesh with each other, it would be crystal clear; but on the other hand, it would also seem very artificial. Therefore, as if we were intentionally to shift gears, well, it would be better if the story has some waste... something like that.""

"ABe: That's right. In the [initial] scenario, a gatekeeper and a watchdog appeared many times, and [the gatekeeper] had many lines...... In fact, a lizard was supposed to have appeared, but those scenes with the lizard were not used.

U: It disappeared. The goats and other livestock did not appear [in the final story], either.

A: Indeed, I wanted to have cattle grazing on the Hill of Winds. Once [we] started to say that, within the town of Guri, [we] skipped the West Area -- a village of craftsmen, and another nest of Haibane located there......"

"A: At the early state of establishment of the concept of the town of Guri, we decided that people in the town will forget about the Haibane who left the town; do you remember?

U: Yes, yes.

A: Thinking about it, if photographs of the Haibane [were allowed] in the concept, it would be inconsistent.

U: Oh, I see, that's why you did not do it.

A: For the moment, I did not add it, that's all."

>>160296428
Thanks for posting this anon, I really appreciate it

" Even though they lived in a troubled world, like Hikari, [Kana] was an untroubled character (laugh). For that reason, when the drama entered the second half and became serious, [Kana] did not appear so much; but in one aspect, [Kana] seems the most Haibane-like Haibane. As for Miyajima-san, I think that she expressed Kana very well in the sense that Kana looks manlike and has a rough character -- but it's not a simple boyish character. Or maybe, after adding the voice, Kana's character became more substantial."

>>160292489
It was one of a kind.

But why didn't we get new shows after 2006 that are on a similar level?

>>160331211
Memes. But seriously, using arabic google to search for hentai?

>>160300675
yoshii wants to incite chaos and destruction as a way of asserting that he's alive

he also doesn't want the people in lux to fall into the same trap of passivity as the people on the surface, he would rather there be constant conflict and war as long as people have passion and the desire to live

>>160318259
texhnolyze is honestly a pretty simple show

most of the perceived difficulty comes from how slow it is rather than anything being overly high-brow or complex

This site has a translation from the DVD books of an article by ABe describing why he wrote HR and the meaning behind some of the terms. It also implies the dark spots on Rakka's wings and being sinbound is more a reflection of her state of mind than a real cursed state:

http://cff.ssw.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=458

>>160340230
I thought that that was the case but I kept having the feeling that there was more to it than that. Thank you.
>>160340296
Strangely enough, I don't find it that slow at all.

>>160337617
What about the normal Humans then? Are they just some soulless automatons in a Potemkin village?

>>160292489
Not sure what it is that makes haibane seem so unique, I've always seen it as part of a group of shows that were either influenced by or at least enabled by evangelion. For a few years after the initial popularity of evangelion there were a number of shows that tried to deal with similar coming of age themes, since eva's popularity paved the way for that type of thing for a while. Considering the target demographic for anime, coming of age stories shouldn't be that big of a surprise anyways though you'd think.

At any rate, there have been a few others here and there like Tatami Galaxy, but I don't think the influence of eva is nearly as strong now as it was then. I guess some people say that madoka attempted genre deconstruction the way eva did, but it obviously hasn't been nearly as influential. I think anime is still awaiting it's next big shake-up, and when and if that happens you'll start to see more shows like this again.

>>160341523
I think they are just normal people who happen to live in Glie. To them all of it just seems normal though since that's all they know.

>>160340296
I actually read one of the most interesting interpretations of texhnolyze on /a years ago and now I can't remember it at all. Wish I had saved it. At any rate, I think how simple or complex it is depends on how much you want to read into it, I think both face-value and multilayered interpretations are possible with the show.

So ABe is doing character designs for an upcoming show where the main character's name is actually Derrida? Sounds interesting.