Fate/Apocrypha

>>160222733
Bad writing.

>>160222733
Type-Moon isn't SUPPOSED to be consistent.

>>160222840
Tsukihime, F/SN, F/Z, HA, and even Extra didn't conflict this much with each other.

>>160222733
I'm more salty about Sieg having an ability to transform into Siegfried. The author fucking killed Siegfried so Sieg can take his place.

>>160222733

Derivative fiction, son

>>160222733
cause hes a homunc with crazy circuits

Why is Apocrypha so bad? Why was this being hyped up?

>>160222733
>How come Shirou gets an arm transplant from an incredibly compatible servant but is at constant risk of dying
Well one of the reasons why archer arm was killing him is because he wasnt sticking to his original ideals anymore so he was getting invaded by archers.
Sieg is a blank slate right now so it would make sense

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shirou is a human with barely developed magic circuits
dragon dick is an homunculus with integrated magic circuits.
also he is the MC.

>>160223254
Was Shirou not the MC?

This means Illya can receive body parts from Servants. Berserker's massive arms transplanted onto Illya when?

>>160223219
>Why was this being hyped up?
Except it's not, Apoc's hype died years ago.

>>160223275
Illya isn't a regular homunculus.
It might be possible for Sella or Leysritt.

>>160223275
>Berserker's massive arms transplanted onto Illya when?
>Berserker's massive arms
>not his massive heart

I don't get it, does siegfried stops being a hero now does he lost his dragon heart and keep being a hero, and his the dragon heart he gave is only temporary since it's just mana?

>>160222733
Because yada yada homunculi are pure and blank so they can accept any external body and make it their own.

In the novel was funnier, Siegfried literally makes Sieg to eat his heart raw.

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>fragile faggot with a 3 year lifespan gets a heart from a completely unrelated servant and survives

Silly Anon, heart surgery is super effective on homunculi.

>>160223380
Jeanne appears in Grand Order despite breaking out of the Throne which is outside of time and space, so who knows at this point.

>>160222733
different writers
it's hilarious how much oc donut steel shit everyone who wrote for fate stuff is guilty of
mage who has direct access to the root (which was extremely rare and the point of Ryougi hax) and so know every magic ever, anyone?

>>160223264
Sieg however is a specialized homonculi and the part not mentioned due to anime shit is that the heart of siegfried is supposed to count as a psuedo noble phantasm or be the equivalent of a dragon's heart. By giving him a dragon's heart it gave a nerfed version of sieg's own benefits. A few other things but yeah being an empty vessel, the heart painted it in sieg's colors.

>>160223424
What was the best point to end the Fate franchise at if Nasu wanted to keep his universe consistent instead of milking it dry?

>>160222733
Siegfried has immortality trait

So does Spartacus get his leg back?

>>160223219
>Why was this being hyped up?

Only dumbass casuals who bandwagon Fate hyped this up. Apocrypha is well known amongst TMfans as being garbage for its eyeroll twists, MC that gets too much handed to him and the ruination of Jeanne D'arcs character.

>>160223460
Fate/Zero probably
everything else stinks of really bad fanfiction

>>160222733
Sumanai was a pretty cool guy after all. For someone who lived all his life like a bitch, his final moments made him a hero.

>>160223486

In the LN, the effect of Astolfo's lance is only temporary. Don't know what will happen in the anime.

>>160223456
>homunculus that was conveniently made to be perfectly fit to receive a transplant
>servant that conveniently has a boner for giving his life to save people
>he conveniently has a magic heart that's perfect for saving homunculus guy
>it also has the ability to gave the recipient MC powers
>homunculus guy conveniently gets hurt by servant's own master
>servant is at the right place at the right time to save him
>they also meet a conveniently masterless servant who also has a boner for helping people
>boy meets girl and girl meets boy

>>160222733
His body glows

>>160223620
Yeah, pretty much. At least his dead man counters are a limited number deal. Apoc's more to sell you on the characters, story isn't the best. But it's still enjoyable. It's not isekai cancer.

No Mordred in this episode. Why is this allowed?

>>160223831
She's not the Saber of this story, Anon.

>>160222733
More importantly, why hadn't Shiro aged from Archar's arm?

So, what, the fight scene in episode one didn't really happen?

>>160223902
You're pretty fucking dumb, anon.

>>160223902

Recall what Mordred said to not-Siegfried during the fight.

>>160223939
>>160223947
To be honest that part was pretty forgettable.

Is it safe to assume that the manga will be the superior finished product? Somehow, simple things have been ruined already.

>>160223620
Unfortunately, Apocrypha's par the course in regards to this sort of shit. If you can't stand plot convenience, you're in the wrong franchise.

Only gripe I had was the way they handled the initial 'death' of Sieg. In the novel Gordes literally beats him to death while Astolfo is held down by Siegfried (who was ordered to do so with a 3rd command seal) and has to watch. He then under tears convinces Siegfried to intervene.

>>160224036
In the end it's still the same story, there's only so much the manga can improve.

Man, it just felt so weak. Maybe if Seigfried got a little more development I could give a shit but I don't even care.

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UTW, I am tired of your half-assed scriptwriting. F/A is set decades before "cavalry" aquired the meaning you used. Ultimate translation, my ass.

Why is Astolfo so shit?

>>160222733
Like Chiron said an homunculus is technically born pure and perfect because their soul is a blank state compared to shirou who had his soul changed and "evolved" by living normally so it was harder for his soul to accept something new, and Sieg can accept siegfried heart because is soul is literally new he is like a void glass where you can pour either water or coke

>>160223460
Carnival phantasm
>>160223493
>the ruination of Jeanne D'arcs character.
She has a character?

>>160224107
>>160224398
It's a legitimate question that people have already given legitimate answers to. What's your problem?

>>160224423
alter*

Siegfags are cancer.

>>160224371
Heavy cavalry was the very core of Frankish military power you retard.

>>160224371
Apocrypha takes place around the year 2000, not the year 1900 you dumb asshole.

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why didnt she tell astolfo to bring him back?

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I figured out the kingly quality that Mordred was missing.

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>Quickie in the alley, mate?

>>160224347
There's just too many characters and not enough focus.
>>160224382
Because he's mainly just a waifubait.

>>160224588

Darnic doesn't like it when they waste command spells.

>>160224684
she could have at least asked hey wtf you doing

Will Astolfo fight Achilles? Rider vs. Rider needs to happen.

>>160224588
>ywn be Celenike's shota boytoy

>>160224634
Who am I to refuse such a generous offer from a gracious king?

>>160224634
>quickie

lol I'm gonna need at least an hour baby

I want to be chased through the woods by Fran-chan.

>>160225170
I want evil cat to bridal carry me while making our way through the woods.

>>160224732

Celenike: What do you think you're doing?
Astolfo: Ano ... we're just taking a stroll! Yeah that's it! Tell Darnic we'll be back in a few hours. Ja ne!

That's why she didn't ask him. Or maybe she did but it was done off-screen.

>>160223851
DROPPED

Why did Siegfried took his heart out of where stomach should be and whiy did Sieg's clothes change size with him?

>>160224750
Achilles will be injured by Chiron and die in a fight against [SPOILER]Atalanta[/SPOILER].

>>160222733
He's blank slate and turns into Siegfried lily.
Also it has the unfortunate side-effect of turning him into a fucking Dragon

>>160223264
Did Shirou die from it before the story ended?

>>160223417
DELET

>>160225378
Isn't his heel the only vulnerable part of body? How did Nasu find a way around that?

>>160225432
Chiron shoots Achilles heel which doesn't kill him, but basically weakens him to a great extend. Meanwhile Atalanta has gone full corrupted and needs to be stopped by Achilles. They kill each other in battle. Achilles could've saved himself with his shield (one of his 4 NPs), but gave it to Astolfo beforehand.

>>160225398
>Siegfried's heart turns people into dragons
What's next, Perseus's kidneys turning people into medusas?

>>160225472
hey. It was either Sigurd or Siegfried that ate Fafnir's heart.
So there's atleast some basic for this.
And yes I know Sigurd and Siegfried are different people in Nasuverse but mixing them up is way too easy

>>160222733
Wait, this is all supposed to be canon? Why's it called Apocrypha then?

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>>160225398
>>160225472
>>160225494

>>160225494
They are also different persons in real legend. Germanic mythology is split into a Norse and a German version. Siegfried is German, Sigurd is Norse.

Did Siegfried leave Balmung behind when he faded away? There was a sword laying on the ground but I think it was Astolfo's.

>>160225472

Illya and Kuro's heads will be transplanted onto a servant body. Much hilarity will ensue.

>>160225519
The legend is obviously based on the same "person" or story and even set in the same region

>>160225599
Yes, but they are different versions of the same story much like UBW is an alternative to HF.

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I just found out this was a guy. Why is Japan trying to make me gay with this and Knight's and Magic.

>>160225632
That's a shitty analogy. UBW and HF aren't evolved legends based on the same story. They're 2 different scenarios written by the same author

>>160222733
Shirou is a human, Sieg is a homunculus.
Really makes you think.

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>>160225659

>>160224389
Exept he is not in blank state at that moment - he has emotions and desires already. He was in blank state before he escaped from water tank.

>>160225809
He has a days worth of emotions and desires, the only he's actually managed to acquire was "I want to live", not 16 years worth.

>>160225809
Biologically speaking, he's a vessel.
That's the whole point of homunculi.
The fact he developed an ego is unrelated.

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really now?

>>160225664
There is no original story - Norse and German versions are the original story. Siegfried is no historical figure.

>>160223620
How is this convenient?
Siegfried only remembered he wanted to help someone because astolpho was swearing to help someone against her masters wishes. Astolpho only had someone to help because the castle was making homunculi and one wanted to escape. Sieg was the one to escape only because he had the powerful magic circuits to break his tube. Jeanne was only there because she sensed two servants of the same faction fighting, otherwise she wouldnt have found them.

Literally every part of that chain of events is dependant on each other and not convenient or lucky in any way. The only part you can call lucky is that astolpho wasn't on a mission when sieg broke out, but that scenario is less likely than her being there since the war hadn't started yet.

If the master hadnt killed sieg, then siegfried would have, and the same chain of events would have happened. Sieg wasn't coming back alive. And Siegfried wasn't leaving without helping so long as Astolpho was there to commit to and announce her goal (which she had to be, or they wouldnt have escaped in the first place).

I suppose you could claim that if saber had been someone other than siegfriend, or rider had been someone other than astolpho, or ruler had been someone other than jeanne, it could have turned out differently. But thats just an entirely different fucking war isnt it?

Stop trying to find holes where there aren't any, you shill.

>>160225922
Googling argalia directs you to TM wiki. What did Nasu mean by this?

>>160226037
https://books.google.de/books?id=T25VAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=astolfo+argalia&source=bl&ots=pH8JyaSY9t&sig=bXwzMcGCwglIpbFdsewL6KL25M8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6lYrY06HVAhXG1BoKHWXVADsQ6AEITjAJ#v=onepage&q=astolfo%20argalia&f=false

>>160225494
>Sigurd and Siegfried are different people in Nasuverse

Sigurd and Siegfried are different people in the real world too.

Siegfried is one of the main characters of the Niebelungenlied which is HEAVILY inspired by Sigurds saga. They have the same origin but are not the same.

>>160222733
Well, as >>160222877 said, you have more or less TYPE MOON original work (though I wouldn't put Extra in this list) on one side :
Tsukihime F/SN F/Z F/HA and some previous work. Maybe Mahou Tsukai but I didn't read it.

And on the other side, you have a lot of bad official "fan fictions" made to milk the idea from the original concept. They suck hard and they contradict with the original work but no one cares because it has the flavour of F/SN.

F/SN is a great idea but nowadays, it s just an excuse to cast some really shitty characters as a servant, even if they actually should not meet the standard set in the original fiction.

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>>160223219
>Why was this being hyped up?
Most of Apocrypha might be bad, but the final scene of volume 2 is probably one of the best Type-Moon scenes to date. Too bad it's going to be screwed up by A-1 though.

>>160226265
Atm, I'm really worried about them rushing fight scenes as it happened in the last 2 episodes. I want my 6 on 1 battle with Vlad.

>>160222733
Chocolate Shirou is better

>>160222733
Easy. Shirou is a human bean and Sieg is a magic doll.

I think that heart surgery scene in anuime was way better than in LN. It's not so random, you can understand Siegfried's thouths. Also they explained why Jeanne is stuck with baby homu better than in original. Overall they fixed something that was bad, but fucked up something that was completely fine.

Why did they make Red so much better than Black?

>>160222733
Homunculus body works differently?

>>160225659
>this
>a guy

What the fuck?!

>>160225889
Still this doesn't make sense - he should explode, because heroic spirit is too powerful to be placed in homunculi body. It's still partly human and made by magecraft - no way it could be as might as true magic. This is was the main reason why Shiro was almost lost his mind - the power of archer arm was too great, even though this was the same person.
If it would be that easy, than Einzbern wouldn't have lost any grail war - they would have just replicate heroic spirit by using homunculi.

>>160226870
I keep hearing about this guy. Why should I care about him?

>>160225659
>Knight's and Magic
>'
More importantly, Ernie is just a child and even adult males can have delicate features, that's fine.
Teacher- I mean, Author's Pet in Apocrypha styles themselves like a girl and is really designed as a girl and is just official a guy.
This abomination of a Paladin just gets coddled through the story. At least Sieg suffered, not that he deserved it.

Chiron shooting down Atalanta's arrow wasn't animated properly. To somebody not familiar with the story it's not immediately obvious that Chiron intercepted her arrow. They should have shown Chiron releasing his arrow (like ufotable did in UBW) immediately after Atalanta fired at Fran. At first glance I thought maybe Fran knocked down Atalanta's arrow with her mace but I knew better since I've read the LN.

>>160224613
A penis?

>>160225659
the penis makes it better.

>>160227114
In case of Sieg - he was born several days ago, the heart will start to reshape him into Siegfried.
And it's not even a broken ability or something like that. There is like tons of different demi-/pseudo-or whatever else servants already. For some reason posession of the human body means litterally nothing at all, there is no bad consequence from this. At all. Even goddes posseesd the body of Einsbern's homunculi. And demi-servant from FGO only have a short lifespain as any other homunculus.
If there was no 60 years circle of HGW Einberns probably were able to create horrible monsters.

>>160226147
>though I wouldn't put Extra in this list
It is written by Nasu

Why is the anime trying to make us feel sympathy towards Gordes? In the LN he was pretty bad but in the anime he's mostly well meaning but still stupid and bumbling.

>>160227543
Gordes did nothing wrong.

>>160226016
Wait do you think they developed those incredibly similar stories completely independent?

>>160227268
I'm not familiar with the story and it seemed pretty damn clear to me.

>>160227543
In LN he become better in the end, he started to care about his homunculi. So maybe he'll be even better in anime.

>this guy just used 2 command spells to get his servant to NP this bitch
>what a wasteful action, I'll intercept this to make sure they're wasted to achieve nothing

>>160227543
>Why is the anime trying to make us feel sympathy towards Gordes?
What?

>>160222733
He's a homunculus, he has no soul to invade. The spiritual body infects him and tries to overwrite him, and instead of destroying what is already there, finds nothing and just overwrites the nothing swiftly and safely.
For Shirou, what was already there was mostly compatible with the overwriting process, but still caused damages to occur.
For anyone else, the overwriting process is highly lethal.

>>160222733
Because homunculi are much more pliable material for transplantion. It was directly explained in novel. It's not without consequences, of course. You will see.

>>160227706
This!

>>160227657

Ufotable did it better in ubw with Archer. By not showing Chiron drawing and releasing from the side they missed an opportunity to show how /fit and thick he is. Also you didn't get the sense of a duel between Archers the way they did it.

>>160223885
Because Shirou's body along with Archer's arm is destroyed. He gets a new one from Touko.

>>160227684
In the LN he uses the 1st seal to order the NP, then notices how Achilles smirks and immediatly uses his 2nd seal to cancel his NP order so that Siegfried's identity doesn't get revealed. He is only scolded for this afterwards.

>>160227685

The anime omitted the LN scene that had Gordes sadistically beating the homonculus almost to death. Instead, the anime only had Gordes hit Sieg once and that was mainly a defensive reaction to Sieg attacking him with magic. This paints Gordes in a much more sympathetic light than the LN does.

>>160227500
yeah I know, but it doesn't really matter. It's on par with the other product surfing on the success build by F/SN, though it s certainly better than things like F/Apocrypha.

After all, they are all official products too and still opening shitting on the original work.

>>160222733
Who's a better doctor?

Gil or Sumanai?

How did Gordes use two command spells on Saber? I only saw him use one. It makes no sense to waste a second command spell cancelling the first one since Red team already knows Black Saber's identity so revealing it by using his NP means nothing (which is different from the LN).

>>160227666

Well I hope Gordes gets better in the anime because I like him a lot better than I did in the LN.

>>160227812
His only bad side is his pride so far. He lost his CS because of this, and if he just heal the homu as Siegfried requested then everything would be fine.

>>160227872
He's retarded.

>>160227797
No he doesn't.
He gets ordered to cancel the order because Chiron knows it's retarded

>>160227852
Gil's transplantation was unnecessery and ineffective. Siegfried's patient looks totally fine.

>>160227836
Extra is absolute garbage and the anime will be even worse because of Nero

>>160227872
The anime is retarded, since it had Siegfried tell his name to Karna. Fucking idiots.

>>160227919

It made no sense for Gordes not to have healed Sieg. Darnic would be extremely displeased if they brought back a dead homonculus contrary to his orders. Now they have no Saber and no homonculus to use in Avicebron's creation.

>>160227957

I've now accepted the anime is retarded. I'm only watching it because some of the fight scenes are pretty well done even though they cut a few corners here and there.

>>160227478
There's difference between being summoned with using human body as vessel (like Ishtar) and sticking your heart into homunculi so he would be able to use your abilities and your look. This is basically prillya's install, for crist's sake.
And speaking about demi-human - shielder was created by chaldea's experiment, which was conduct by big organization of magus and scientists. And Mashu still remain herself, she's only got access to Galahad abilities as servant and NP. This is much better writing than "he's pulled his heart, sticked into homunculi body, died and then homunculi became heroic spirit".
And I want to mention, that none of demi-servant had changed their look - even the one that had been used as vessel still remain their look.

>>160222733
Two reasons.

1. Shirou was deviating from his ideals which caused Archer's arm to nearly be incompatible with him
2. Shirou has poor magic circuits and the addition of something made of pure prana like a heroic spirit's arm was near enough to burn him out completely. Seig is a homonculus who was atrificially made to be essentially a living magic circuit. Homunculus are already shown in the series to be able to deal with INSANE magical burden that would kill an average human when the Einzburns had Ilya summon fucking Heracles as a Berserker months before the holy grail war without any assistance from the Holy Grail to support Herc's existance.

>>160227954
I already know. Nero being a heroic spirit is absurd in my opinion, for exemple. It contradicts the basis of how the throne of heroes is supposed to work.

>>160225317
He went in under his ribcage, anon.

>>160228137
not more absurd than frankestein or jack the ripper

>>160227972
He created him and treat them like shit in general. If Darnic wants a homuncukus than he create another one, from his perspecrive there is no problem. And even after this in LN they planned to use Gordo as a core for a golem instead a homunculus because of his failures.

Can you even pierce through your flesh like that??

>>160228364
Heroic Spirits, yo.

>>160227954
Extra is just Emiya fanservice for me. I don't give a shit about the other two garbage servants.

>>160228255
Indeed.

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Could he take them both?

>>160228550
He can if Chiron isn't around

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>>160228566
Frank cant put up a fight at all
So its more like 1v1 in the end

>>160228061
What a difference? Human body can't sustain heroic spirit, but why if they posses a human body it's totally fine? They have amost all power of original servant without any pay for this, just think about it how this even possible for a normal human to use strength of a servant using only his own body. That's just bullshit. It's not even the same as prisma, it's essentially a more lighter show even after 3rei with soft rules.

>>160228137
Even Shakespear can be one. The more absurd is that she is a sabreclone with overwanked power.

Holy shit sumanai's death was the most boring, underwhelming and mind numbing servant's death I've ever seen.
And people say it's getting worse.

>>160224588
she's gonna rape the fuck out of him for this right?

>>160222733
Bad writing.

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Anybody got any screens or webms of Atalanta?

>>160228609
Man, Frankenstein's Monster sucks. Why is she even here?

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>>160228714

>>160228728
Because she's a qt.

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Achilles is cool

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>>160228831

>>160228714
I WANT TO DROP 3 APPLES AND MARRY HER BY FOOTRACE!

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>>160228855

>>160227151
Ernie is a trap.

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>>160228857
http://imgur.com/a/g5lIM

That's what she wants you to do

>lancer is rinding a horse
>rider is fighting with a lance
why is this allowed

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>>160228855
would you Atalanta?

>>160228926
>lancelot
>class isn't lancer

Nasu's a fucking hack

You said that this wasn't worth watching only for Astolfo, but so far it seems to be.

>>160228932
Not into 3D

>>160228926
Rider's has a load of NP's, and the lance is the best suited for immobilizing Servants.
Lancer's riding a horse because he's the lord of the castle.

>>160228935
>Berserker
>is an intelligent gentle soul who reads Shakespeare

>>160228935
>lancelot
>doesn't lance at all, let alone a lot

Fucking shit.

thicc

>>160222733
Because Apocrypha is a piece of shit and Sieg is a disgusting self-insert gary stu that makes your average haremshit or isekai MC blush at how much the world revolves around him and how much everyone wants his dick.

>>160228969
>>160228932

>>160228137
The grail is retroactively corrupt in the first place. That goes as far back as FSN. You really shouldn't be complaining about that.

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*teleports behind you*

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>>160228831
>>160228855
>>160228874
The cutest. Will bake lots of apple pies for.

>>160227589
He is foolish, and it is more foolish to be an original. However, improvements will be made.

>>160228992
Only the Fuyuki Grail is corrupted thanks to Angry Manjew. Mooncell is not corrupted for example.

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I want to solve complex mathematic equations with Jannu!

>>160223417
>Heart is on the left meme

Stop this.

>>160228641
While Mashu was designed for being a heroic servant vessel from the beggining (even before her birth), Sieg is average homunculi.
Speaking about pseudo-servant like Ishtar or Zhuge Liang - they haven't use a living person, but chose a fitting human that cannot become a heroic spirit (like El-Melloi II or Tohsaka).

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What relation does Atalanta and Achilles have? Why does he call her his sister?

>>160223851
But she is??!?

>>160229166
Yeah. I figured that mooncell just has very low/different standards.
eg Dracula alone would blur the line between hero and villain
Medusa is just a victim.
Hero originally did not mean a good person so much as a strong individual after the original guy actually named Hero was gone.

>>160229263
Atalanta is a hero from a generation before Achilles. She's pretty famous as a hero when Achilles was training to be one.

>>160229263
They both deserved to be in a better show.

Achilles wants to fuck the lion-girl until his cock breaks.

They're both greek

>Black thinks that their servants can bring victory to them
>jobbed harder in the end and begging for Magus Association mercy to not exterminate them

Man why does Black being such incompetent fools even with Vlad and Chiron with their side?

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>>160222733
Because Dragon Dildos

I like Extra and Nero and am honestly unironically looking foward to Last Encore.
Sorry for my shit taste. How should I kill myself to atone?

>>160229444
Go wrestle with a lion. Naked.

>>160229444
Financially by buying me quarts.

>>160228935
>Bedivere
>Saber but doesn't use a sword
what the fuck

>>160229299
they'll both be dead once OLYMPUS REEEEEE walks in

>>160229299
Achilles is a man of taste and I'd be proud to call him my brother.

>>160229444
Yes.
I bet you like Septem and Extella too, faggot.

>>160229299
Achilles is full homogay though.

>>160229299
Achilles is a male semen demon.

I'm pretty sure he wants to assfuck Atalanta while Chiron assfucks him.

>>160229444
sell your organs to buy me some catalysts for summoning Tamamo

sorry for being a retard but what if Siegfried is dead how did he fight Mordred in the beginning of episode one? did Sieg actually turn into Siegfried?

>>160229622
What would be a good catalyst for summoning Tamamo?

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>>160225659
Why does he wear knee socks with suspenders.

>>160229587
Haven't read anything of GO besides random spoilers, but I actually like Extella (even if when I think about, it's the worst Fate thing and Nasu story I've consumed)
Sumanai

>>160229658
Yes.

>>160229660
A shard of her floating mirror

>>160229660
Semen

>>160229658
>Did sieg actually turn into Siegfried?
Yes

>>160229660
Go buy $200 worth of Saint Quartz

>>160229712
>>160229692
Weird

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>>160229660
Going to Japan and trying to summon her near this stone.

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>>160229730
>$200

>>160229760
It's not weird. It's standard LN self insert gary stu OP bullshit.

>>160229444
Buy me a vita so I can see what the sin is about as well.

>>160229833
Where's the self-insert gary stu in Zero and S/F then? Don't blame the medium, blame the shit writer.

>>160229833
No I mean when Im thinking of a bullshit power up I wouldnt expect him turning into another guy

>>160229702
Assuming that it exists.

>>160229297
Hero means nothing these days since people attribute it to anyone that excite them.
Heck, your mom probably call all the men who pound her at night her heroes.

>>160229873
>Blame the shit writer
Can't do that when I liked Tokyo Babel and the one route of Ayakashibito I read before I got distracted and forgot to keep reading

>>160229166
Isn't BB basically a discount Angra Mainyu?

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>>160229675
High fashion

>>160227872
>>160227957
How did they fuck up this bad when the LN writer is the one oing series composition?

>>160230031
Director decide which scenes remains in the final output after cutting.

>>160228137
Does nero hate his adoptive father in the fate universe?

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>>160229602
He's a bislut.

And between Atalanta and Penthesilea, I can't fault his taste in women

>memu is dead
For what purpose? Where is PC version? Why TM is so dumb?

>>160223831
Mordred is the only redeeming thing about this shitfest. No Mordred, No life!

>>160229675
They're cute.

>>160228137
1) The existence of anti-hero spirits already exists

2) The mooncell works with completely different mechanics, and allows for all sorts of shit, from divinity, to more expansive 'projection' options.

>>160230223
I'd buy a steam version for like $5 if they took the time to develop one.

>>160230223
Why would they make PC version? Nips only use iPhones today, they don't even have PC

>>160230259
You didn't get the memo? They released a US version a few weeks ago.

>>160230295
And US takes shit form nips, they don't develop anything

>>160230295
Go is stil for nips first. No reason to go out of their way to develop a PC version for westerners when their main audience and source of income is nips

>>160225432
Achilles' protection wasn't even a fucking thing until much much later, which was made up by some idiot.

For most of ancient greek myth lore, Achilles didn't have some magical bullshit to guard him, he was just one of the top tier warriors.

>>160229299
>Achilles wants to fuck the girl
>he is greek
Doesn't compute.

>>160230259
>Why would they make PC version?
Because F/GO suck Granblue Cocks. They were first who made PC version and US version. They were first who added bonuses for BD. TM are literally retarded

Anyone have a gif or webm of Astolfo waving as he walks away?

>>160225432
Servants with Divinity C or higher can hurt him

>>160230252
Steam is perfect for gachatrash

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How would she react if you yank on her tail?

>>160229254
If all that they need is an average homunculi they'll just use first that they can get, not that special one who escaped from them when Caster choice him him to be the core of the golem.

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>>160229791
Confirming that this works

>>160230434
Achilles wants to fuck everything

>>160230529
Except Astolfo funnily enough.

>>160230547
I can't blame him, he's annoying as fuck.

>>160222966
to be fair, any screentime on Siegfried was wasted anyway

>>160229997
There is also a giant alien there, maybe even some sort of spaceship, I cant remember. Mooncell is very fucked up place.

>>160230593
Is it a cute giant alien?

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>>160230617
Yeah

>>160230617
If you have a fetish for giants she'll be enough for you.

How good is karna?

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>>160230617
does this looks cute?

>>160230691
Morally speaking his only flaw is a willingness to forgive evil in those he's loyal to.
Power wise he's top of top tiers. There's very little that can realistically take him in a straight up fight.

>>160230691
Him and Achilles are the strongest servants in the war.

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>>160229236
Are you retarded?

>>160230691
good enough to make MC look competent

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What would sex with Fiore be like?

>>160230662
>>160230676
That's super cute.

>>160230711
Is that crystallize lore? I'm going to rape the shit out of her.

>>160230843
The beginning of the shit fest with some cool scene in between.

>>160230736
>Can't leglock you

Shit.

>>160230864
I think overall there's more good than bad but the execution is at its worst at the most important of moments, so it all leaves a bad taste in the end anyway.

>>160230736
hips doesn't move on it's own

>>160230893
>>160230905
>They don't want magical mecha leg lock

>>160230843
Does he have a braid fetish? Both Astolfo and Jannu have long tuggable braids with cute bows on the end.

>>160230718
I heard Achilles NP is capable of blocking a full powered Vasavi Shakti, is that true? And did the
Shield literally break after taking damage?

This show is really shit, what the hell

>>160230941
Achilles' Shield can tank the Shakti, but breaks afterwards.

Meaning Achilles loses his shield and Karna his armor, but Achilles is still invulnerable.

>>160225514
It's weird. It is a seperate universe from Zero or /SN, but with the way the Nasuverse works, if a servant exists as summonable in one universe, they're summonable in all Universes. That's how the Throne of Heroes works- it's the same in every single universe. I'm not sure if Extra's weird shlock about the amount of universes allowed to exist is true in all of Nasuverse, but if it is, the idea is that there's not quite infinite universes, since the universe cuts down on the divergences allowed.

Basically, this is an alternate universe but any character development a servant gets would remain true in any future summoning of them.

>>160230945
You were warned the LNs were shit. Why did you think the adaptation of shit LNs would be good?

>>160230941
There's a conceptual conflict that occurs when the two interact.
It's one of those things where the shield will be unbroken, but the person holding it is probably still going to end up fucked.

>>160230974
Karna has a high rank in Divinity due to being the direct son of a God.

>>160225514
Because of Shirou Kotomine, who is actually an incarnated (like Gil was in SN) Ruler class Servant named Shirou Tokisada, a nip apocryphal saint.

>>160231010
I saw Fate and thought it be decent

>>160231039
Why is Rama's just A when Tamamo's divinity is A++?

>>160230919
>Wanting cold hard steel instead of soft warm flesh.

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I just found the SF volume 4 stat sheets

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>>160231062
Not only the LNs are pretty shit but A-1 is doing an awful job adapting them. This will be the trainwreck of the season.

>>160231062
That's like saying
>I saw Gundam in the name and thought it would be decent.
At this point, Fate is like Gundam. The name doesn't assure you quality.

>>160230711
Imagine getting a handjob from those

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>>160231114

>>160231089
Because she is the sun.

>>160229660
Okami the Game.

Now whichever Tamamo you get will be the one closest to your personality and Amaterasu.

>>160230571
Not really, he could have fucked Jeanne instead of the useless homonculus doing it.

>>160231089
Rama is a deity in some sense, but he was born to humans and became an Avatar of a God rather than just inherently being one.
Tamano is just flatly a God, even if her incarnation is significantly weakened by being a servant that doesn't change.

>>160229236
You know that Aztecs extracted hearts via the belly right? For a demigod it doesn't matter where he pulls it from.

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H-how lewd!

>>160231089
Tamamo's divinity is A though

>>160230736
She is an upstanding person.

>>160229263
She was his dads sparring partner

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>>160231109
Fiore is the softest and the warmest.

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>>160229791
You know by doing that you'll end up summoning Avenger.

>>160231207
JANNU BUTT!

>>160231261
When will she go full doctor octopus?

>>160222733
was sieg an hero?

>>160229997
No

>>160231310
An hero'd.

>>160231310
He was an hero.

>>160231269
Sounds nice!

>>160230974
>Achilles' Shield can tank the Shakti, but breaks afterwards.
Is that also the reason to why shakti is able to damage Astolfo, almost killing him?

>>160230728
Another medfag?

>>160231380
Yeah

>>160231269
Would she still want to become a good wife?

>>160231039
Oh yeah, I meant in general, losing the armor is a bigger deal for Karna than losing the shield is for Achilles.

Karna could still kill Achilles in a fight though. Achilles is absurdly broken, Karna just even more so.

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>>160231375
>Killing Stone Avenger (Tamamo)
>Threatens to fuck up anyone who came near her stone and killed them.
>Priest had to beg her to think about salvation and to fuck off.
I'd rather deal with Snek Avenger.

Is there any suffering in this?
Compare it to F/Zero level of suffering, but don't spoil me.

>>160231418
I can't wait to see Shakti being animated

>>160231488
No.

>Compare it to F/Zero level of suffering
It's like the book store waking up the next day to find out Iskander tore a hole through his store.

>>160225659
Looks and behaves like a girl, just fap to him anyway.

>>160231109
Don't worry. They're powered by dead puppies

>>160231582
>No
>what is Vlad

>>160228846
He's like Lancer except he's not a lancer, just suffers like one.

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>>160231109
>cold hard steel
>not superior to disgusting fleshbags

>>160231114
Those two look cute together.

>>160231582
>Achilles
>Atalanta
>Vlad
>shota master
>not suffering

>>160231814
well they are the same person

>>160231750
>He was designed by Gen Urobuchi
oh dear.

Reminder that Apocrypha has the best animation of any Fate adaption ever because looking like shit and literally animating badly aren't real criticisms

>>160231133
Very true, well said.
Weird how both series died around the same time huh.

>>160232004
I don't remember Fate dying in the 90s

>>160223417
>ywn be this deep inside Illya
Gilgamesh is a lucky man

>>160232029
Gundam 00 was the last good Gundam.

>>160232409
Are you just ignoring the Wing - 00 stretch of shit?

Why is Astolfo so fucking cute?

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Why is Jannu so beautiful?

>>160232591
SEED is an anime classic, but sure let's pretend like it was flaming garbage haha /a/ culture amirite!

>>160230031
Maybe he decided to retcon. Writer's do that a lot. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it won't happen.

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>>160225472
nope, but we have
>magic crest sharing via fancervice
>Avalon implant which guarantees him an extremely potent regenerative ability
>magical resurrection jewel

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>>160232677
I want to cum so hard down Jannu's throat that her breath smells like my semen for the rest of the day.

>>160231309
Should be in a few episodes. She uses it to fight against Sisigo while Mordred fights Chiron.

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>>160232792
>high school students
>school setting
>Romcom and SoL
>Hero of justice
>tsundere

Literally a generic school battle harem with a beta Harem MC with Multiple love interests

>>160225472
Well Archer's arm turned Shirou into fucking swords

>>160232792
Avalon also turn a japanese ginger into a sword.

>>160230511
Yes, he is best among average homunculi, nothing more. Black team don't give a damn about quality of thier homunculi - they should be strong enough to defend castle or good enough to be used as energy battery. Quanity over quality.

>>160230170
>Penthesilea
She's splendid. All the love she's been getting is great and I'm a bit glad it's not too extreme to the point where seeing her is a common sight.

>>160230510
She'll curl up beside you when you're about to sleep and just flick it over your face again and again.

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>>160233282
>Literally a generic school battle harem with a beta Harem MC with Multiple love interests
this

>>160230662
>>160230676
>>160230711
May can't come soon enough, though, it'd be a miracle if they made something of Velber form.

How would Shirou fare if he was participating in Zero/Stay Night's wars? Either as Master or Servant

>>160233994
He'd ask you to stop with the fanfiction

>>160233994
Badly since Shirou is actually a pretty shitty servant. He's only a threat in Apo because he has CS and the grail is powering him up.

>>160222733
That kind of thing is supposed to be nearly impossible, it took Shirou and Redman being the same person, and an incredibly talented spiritual surgeon for the transplant to work. The risk of dying seems to be more to Unlimited Blade Works invading his body from the arm, rather than the transplant itself.

>>160222733
Exactly for that reason. He isn't even human, just like Illya, he's nothing more than a magic circuit with human form.

>>160223453
Manaka from Prototype. She was born with a single circuit connected to the root, but unlike Void she isn't the root and completely inhumane, so we got a sociopathic loli who want to release the Beast of Revelation for shits and giggle.

>>160234226
The "excuse" this time is that homunculus are such blank slates than Siegfried's heart turned him into basically a mini Siegfried.

>>160234217
Well there has to be a reason why Gilgamesh summoned him to defend Babylon. Too bad he went and got himself killed before it started.

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So how does Mordred exist if Arthur's a chick?
Was Guinevere a dude? Is Saber a futa?

>>160222733
Attaching the billions of nerves on the arm is much more complex than attaching handful of the veins to the heart.

>>160233590
Evangelion didn't deserve being put in this chart.

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More importantly, when does sieg plow Assassin, Mordred and Blonde?

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>>160233994
He would win it.

>>160234368
Merlin gave Saber a dick to fuck Guinivere. Morgan stole some of her sperm and impregnated herself with Mordred.

>>160233555
>Atalanta will never repeatedly slap your face with her tail to show that she's angry with you

>>160234368
In Fate route Saber tell Shirou that she knows how to please men, right before grabbing his dick.

>>160234492
>You will never soothe the ever so slightly worked up muscles that come as a result of her getting too worked up/carried away with bothering you.

>>160234471
Who is this? It looks like Shirou's head on Kotomine's body.

>>160234461
Sieg just died didn't he?

>dude's called Gordes
>his main characteristic is being fat
What did they mean by this?