>male shoujo authors Is this actually real or just an urban

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Patalliro's author is a man.

>>160199214
Oh yeah, I forgot that shoujo as a genre was pretty much started by men. I should've said "modern shoujo".

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>>160198975
Wada Shinji existed.

>filename
Alright, I'm using your thread since I said I'd repost this this weekend anyway. Here's the current draft of a chart we were working on last week. AMDD, Itazura na Kiss, and Oremonogatari are coming off unless there are objections, Red River and Banana Fish might too, and pending additions include KareKano, Toshokan Sensou, Akuma to Dolce, Karakuri Odette, Hana no Namae, and Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare, among some other stuff I'm probably forgetting. Give opinions.

>>160199214
Apparently he's married and has kids, too. Didn't expect that.

>>160199331
The dominated-by-men era was well before Patalliro, though.

>>160198975
>Is this actually real or just an urban legend?
Nigga what magazine do you think Oresama Teacher ran in?

There are probably more than you'd think, a lot of mangaka use a penname.

>>160199463
You shouldn't have removed Comic Hoshi Shinichi. Also, you should add Miyori no Mori.

>>160200317
Ok, ignore the first half of this.

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>>160199463
>oooku
Shit that was funny manga. I know it was supposed to be a gender-role reversal sort of thing, but they went so extreme that it was just hilarious.
>impotent guy
>3 different girls fall for him
>they're like "it's all right, I'll just have another man impregnate me" all nonchalant like
and
>Female dominance
>Men still compose the standing army
Yeah, the matriarchy would crumble in a heartbeat.

Anyhow, your list needs some stuff by Ogawa Yayoi (stay away from their iceskating stuff), Matsumoto Tomo (especially), Robiko, Okazaki Mari (especially), Emura, George Asakura, Hiwatari Saki, and Hidaki Banri.
Some examples:
>Ogawa Yayoi - Baby Pop
>Matsumoto Tomo - Beauty is the beast, Kiss
>George Asakura - Teke Teke Rendezvous, Heart o Uchinomese!, Shounen Shoujo Romance (need to read it knowing that it's a self-parody or you'll rage)
>Emura - W Juliet, Grand Sun
>Hidaki Banri - Sekai de Ichiban Daikirai, V.B. Rose
>Okazaki Mari - & (-and-), any of their oneshot collections, Gin ni Naru
>Hiwatari Saki - Please Save My Earth (and all the sequels)

Please Save My Earth and Beauty is the Beast would be my top 2. Also read pic related (Koroshi Ai).

>>160200415
>>Female dominance
>>Men still compose the standing army
Forgot to add
>Men compose the army because they're just physiologically stronger
>Yet the women still seem perplexed by the absence of female sailors on the Dutch ships
>"Are your women so weak that they can't handle ship work?"
Like nigga, you're the ones that use men for the fucking army because ya'll too week. Get the fuck out.

>>160200317
> Also, you should add Miyori no Mori
I did not even realize that was shoujo. Good shit, although dead as fuck scans. I'll probably add it. Not shoujo, but I assume you've read Coo no Sekai? I loved that.

>>160200415
PSME is there already. Haven't read Beauty is the Beast, but I'll add it, assuming there are no objections. Which Okazaki would you recommend the most?

>Also read pic related (Koroshi Ai).
Already following it. It's nice so far, but I don't think I'm going to add it here.

I really like Oooku, the characters and the way it plays with history are fun.

>>160198975
Do you guys think that the mangaka of oresama teacher/gsnk is a man? The males in there Manga are written with personality and there's not a lot of focus on romance

>>160200697
Wasn't the one asking that the like 14-year-old sheltered shogun who had no clue about anything?

>>160200940
No way.

Izumi Tsubaki (椿 いづみ Tsubaki Izumi, born December 11 in Saitama, Japan) is a Japanese manga artist known for creating Oresama Teacher and Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun. Tsubaki began drawing manga in her first year of high school. She was soon selected to be in the top 10 of Hana to Yume Mangaka Course, and subsequently won the Big Challenge contest.[citation needed]

In an interview with Manga News in France, Tsubaki said that she was inspired from Yoshihiro Togashi and her sister who is also a manga artist. Togashi's manga Yu Yu Hakusho was the first manga she bought on her own. She became a manga artist after placing third in a contest and was approached by an editor.[1]

>>160200794
>Which Okazaki would you recommend the most
& is my favorite but it's 4 volumes behind and translations are extremely slow, so I don't know what the next 4 will be like (I know the end is unsatisfying but all of Okazaki Mari's are, if they even have a proper ending in the first place). Gin ni Naru (only 1 volume) is second but it doesn't have an ending at all.
I'd suggest reading their oneshot collections Yawarakai Kara and Tomodachi Ijou to get a feel for their writing.
Some Nishi Keiko manga isn't bad (like with Koi to Gunkan) but I don't think a single one of their manga is completely scanlated.

>>160200415
>Koroshi ai
Too bad the translations are dead

>>160200940
It's not like many seinen/shounen artists can draw men with personality though. I think you're looking at it inversely. I'd say likeliness to be male would be shown by how robust the female characters are (rivals in particular).
You can always tell female shounen/seinen authors by how attractive and deep they make male side characters.

>>160201137
>I'd suggest reading their oneshot collections Yawarakai Kara and Tomodachi Ijou to get a feel for their writing.
Alright, I'll do that and then look into & a bit, I guess.

>Nishi Keiko
She had a oneshot in that Four Shoujo Stories English-language collection, which also included They Were Eleven, so now that I think of it I could just replace TWE with that. Also gives us some Sato Shio.

It is a well known fact that there are plenty of male manga-ka who use female pseudonyms because of the stigma of male shojo manga-ka and its effect on sales numbers.

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>>160199463
Cipher is good. Pretty gay at the start, but it's just bait kinda like Shimizu Reiko does. Then it becomes decent America/acting manga with a male lead and a romantic subplot with a tomboy.
The spinoff Alexandrite about some NY half-nigger is good too.

Oh and Shiomi Chika's manga.
>B-Eyes
>action mango about assassins
>Yukarism
>reincarnated oiran gender bender
>Yurara no Tsuki and it's sequel Rasetsu no Hana
>some rough spots involving a little love triangle bullshit, but by the time you're finished with both it's all worth it.

>>160201653
But which are they?

Any shoujo about ESP is automatically good.

>>160201964
> Cipher
Can I trust that the anime is not representative of its quality?

>>160202420
Never watched the anime, but it seems like an anime wouldn't be able to capture the series for what it it.

>>160202534
> Never watched the anime
This is not an edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3B7FdU2z0

>>160202195
anon if that was public knowledge there would be no point in the pseudonym, think about it

>>160202630
Yeah but I'm sure there's speculation. Maybe some info obtained by voyeurs or stalkers?

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What did she mean by this?

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This is written by a man and it's technically shoujo. One has to wonder why though because currently the only character that might be a love interest for the female MC is a 12 year old boy.

>>160203668
Does poncho fuck monocle?

>>160203668
Romance manga =/= shoujo manga

>>160203668
There's nothing between that little girl and that oyaji behind her?

>>160200794
>I did not even realize that was shoujo. Good shit, although dead as fuck scans.
It's easy to overlook or forget. Do you not like anything by Konno Kita?

>>160203758
They can't exist at the same time. The girl is the fusion transformation of the guy and the MC.

>>160203981
Not him but too much yuri.

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>>160203978
Why? Little girls x oyaji are god tier.

>>160203885
I get that, but it's a common mistake to make since a lot of shoujo demographic works surround themselves in the romance genre. Shounen has its romcoms too and it's fairly prominent, but it's drowned out by the surplus amount of battle manga.

>>160203885
Something doesn't have to be a romance manga to include romance.

>>160206007
The reply is to a post saying that it's weird that Nirvana is shoujo because it doesn't have romance.

>>160200940
>a 9 volume romance about a fetish for men's backs
>written by a man
Nah

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>>160204932
I completely agree, that's why I was asking.

>>160204962
How does something appeal to the shoujo demographic without cute boys or romance?

>>160199463
I re-read Hana no Namae and I definitely want to re-iterate my recommendations.

>>160201964
>Shiomi Chika
Yes. Of her manga Rasetsu no Hana is favourite.

>>160206483
I guess shoujo manga has more of a focus on characters and their relationships rather than being driven by plot.

>>160206483
With cute mascot character and comedy instead?

>>160206483
Mahou shoujo, historical adventure, warrior woman, comedy.
But cute boys doesn't have much to do with romance either. Even shounen has hijinks sol stuff with all female casts.

>>160199331
>shoujo as a genre
Shoujo is not a genre, it's a demographic.

>>160206896
>adjusts nerd glasses held together with masking tape

>>160206896
It's both.

>>160207234
How is shoujo a genre?

>>160201653
Why?

>>160207234
It's not.

>>160207699
>>160208225
gen·re
ˈZHänrə/Submit
noun
a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.

Are you implying that shoujo doesn't describe a form and style that appeals to female readers? Target audience is form. Otherwise it would mean it's impossible for some 8th grade nip girl to draw shoujo manga in her notebook.

>>160208472
> shoujo doesn't describe a form and style that appeals to female readers
Not definitionally, it doesn't. The form and style of a work do not affect whether or not it is josei.

> Target audience is form.
No, it's not, not in this case. It's a marketing label. A series is shoujo if and only if it runs in a shoujo publication, and a publication is shoujo is and only if the publisher labels it as such.


> Otherwise it would mean it's impossible for some 8th grade nip girl to draw shoujo manga in her notebook.
That is impossible, unless she then submits it and gets it put it a magazine.

>>160208607
>whether or not it is josei
Whoops, meant shoujo. Not that it makes a difference, my point still applies.

>>160208607
Shoujo means girl dude. Shoujo manga means girl manga. Manga that's made to appeal to girls. Manga that's drawn in a way that is appealing to girls. Manga that has themes that are appealing to girls.
It's girl manga. You're making this way too complicated for yourself.

>>160208805
Nah, you're just too overgeneralized things for something that has clear cut meaning.

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>made it 50+ posts into a shoujo thread without /pol/
Good job guys.
Anyone else keeping an eye on this?
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=142521
The oneshot was pretty good.

>>160208947
Whatever gaijin. It's basically like saying girl clothing can only be girl clothing if sold by a manufacture that produces girl clothing, and individuals themselves can not make girl clothing unless they're sold by a distribute. But sure, have it your way.

>>160209112
Are you implying you yourself are not a gaijin?

>>160206508
>>160199463
Also I'd include Mademoiselle Butterfly (Akane Ogura) and Private Actress (Michiyo Akaishi).

>>160209000
Thanks, I didn't know that existed.

The guy looks pretty hot.

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Why do shounen manga get badass female characters that are relevant to the plot but shojo male characters are just penises waiting to penetrate?

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Is Fruits Basket Another still ongoing? What the fuck happened to Liselotte to Majo no? Does anyone have Yen Press scans?

>>160209362
Women crave dick, it's all they ever think about.

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>>160209362
Because you're sexually attracted to the girls in shounen and it causes you to overlook that they're just walking rape fodder and damsels most of the time.
>Twin Star Exorcist
>female deutertagonist
>stronger than MC in the beginning
>"m-muh badass shounen female is just a p-penis receptacle after all"

>>160209362
Guys only get harder if the girls are being all coy because they get to ravish them, girls hate a guy who isn't ready to go at any time even/especially when they tell him no.

>>160209526
So pretty much guys want to ravish girls, and girls want to be ravished by guys?

Then why is it so hard to find good maledom in manga?

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>>160209344
>Akane Ogura
Great mangaka. I wish they'd finish up with their stupid gender bender series and do something historical again.

>>160209112
>It's basically like saying girl clothing can only be girl clothing if sold by a manufacture that produces girl clothing
Wrong, it's only girl clothing because it's made/sold/promoted with girl as its target consumer in mind. Just like how publisher and author have their target audience in mind.

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>>160209570
>Then why is it so hard to find good maledom in manga?
It's all found in shoujo manga since nip males are herbivores.
Look for stuff where the protagonist is forced to room with a crossdressing guy or forced to crossdress themselves. Those usually have good maledom. But otherwise the smutty shoujo stuff is usually 100% maledom. They have whole fucking magazines devoted to the theme (無敵恋愛S girl)

>>160209660
>it's only girl clothing because it's made/sold/promoted with girl as its target consumer in mind
So amateur tailors only design unisex clothing? Thanks anon.

>>160198975
I can write a shoujo story just fine if I want to.

>>160209909
How would your shoujo story go?

>>160209968
>Halfway through
>Male lead realizes that the heroine is unnaturally popular with large sums of attractive, wealthy, and talented men
>Uses her to catfish and rob millions from people

>>160209968
I'll write it like Anne of Green Gables

>>160209660
so what happens with a brand of girly clothing intended to be worn by crossdressers but it's actually made to appeal to guys so they will buy them for their girlfriend (male)
you know like those trap cosplay sets

>>160210112
>Anne of Green Gables
I've been interested in that but the MU tags for the sequel makes it seem like she's a slut who lay with many men. Is this true?

>>160209908
Where do you read any manufacture in my post?
Also can you show me any original doujin where they stated that it's a shounen/seinen/shoujo/jousei doujin?

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>blush toward not her love interest
>leading men around by the tip
Is this how Akatsuki no Yona is?

>>160208805
No, you dumb nigger, that's not how it works. You think Kuroko no Basuke is shoujo?

>>160210223
Well see, when the doujin targets a female audience they don't call it shoujo/josei, they call it joseimuke or fujomuke or whatever

>>160210194
She got proposed by a bunch of people for comedic purposes. Best one was by some random farmboy who just asked her out of nowhere casually.

Except Roy who's your generic humorless bishie to teach Anne the difference between her ideal storybook concept of love and the actual love she has been feeling but she ignores.

>>160209864
I think magazines like that usually run oneshots? What I like are series long enough to fully depict the psychological interplay in a maledom/femsub romance rather than just the smut. I usually have to turn to Japanese fiction for that.

Unfortunately, gender bender/transvestite themes leave me cold. I like my men to be manly.

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>>160210223

>>160210285
Women that make this kind of manga self insert as the MC, this way they can dominate men and have a harem, in their fantasies at least.

>>160210308
Shueisha should just drop the pretense, move all the legit shounen series to their other magazines and rebrand it Weekly Shoujo Jump

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>>160210308
Why would I? It's not made for female readers, it's subject doesn't appeal to female readers, and it's art style is not targeted towards female readers.

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>>160210513
Her previous manga bordered on female:harem though.

>>160210171
Under what target demographic a niche publication that catered to certain fetish like Yurihime magazine fall are?

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>>160210591
>it's subject doesn't appeal to female readers
And yet the readership is majority female.

>>160210500
I said original smartass, not derivative work.

>>160210856
Yuri, see also yaoi.
>in b4 "it's not yaoi it's BL"
BL (and GL) are fucking content warnings at this point, not genres.

>>160210897
Megaton Punch

>>160210971
That's genre not demographic.

>>160210971
I don't think you understand what the word "genre" means at this point.
It's not the same as "theme" or "setting". It's a grouping of things with similar characteristics. If a manga has dyke or fag romances then those are all similar manga that constitute a genre.

>>160206483
Shoujo horror is a thing. Much of Junji Ito's stuff is shoujo or josei.

>>160209968
An ordinary high school girl gets hit by a tru-

>>160210354
Does she physically fuck anybody?

>>160210591
> it's subject doesn't appeal to female readers, and it's art style is not targeted towards female readers.
You are delusional and don't understand what females like.

>>160211696
There might be overlap on reader base, but it still clearly written with young boy as its main reader.

>>160211148
You're right, but they're used as labels in the same way demographics are. Magazines can be BL/yuri instead of shounen/seinen/shoujo/josei.

>>160210971
Yaoi is hentai. And GL is a mythical term invented by retarded westerners.

>>160211803
>And GL is a mythical term invented by retarded westerners
No, I have seen Japanese doujinka use the term GL too.

>>160211907
It is a well known fact that there are plenty of western manga-ka who use jap pseudonyms because of the stigma of western manga-ka and its effect on sales numbers.

>>160211963
I have only seen the term GL used in Japanese a handful of times, but these were doujinka who are definitely Japanese who don't even speak English.

>>160211963
>>160212152
For example, try these. https://twitter.com/search?l=ja&q=GL%20BL&src=typd

>>160210085
That's a minor subplot if anything, unless the male lead is androgynous or a trap.

>>160211803
GL is a real term, it's "shoujo-ai" that's not.

>>160209570
Then shoujo has shit taste. It must be boring to do nothing but sit back and let your lover do the work.

>>160209377
Last update was either this month or last month. It just has a weird update schedule.

>>160212401
That's how men and women normally make love in Japan, with the man doing most of the work. But it isn't boring at all, because it's a huge turn-on for the woman to be so desired by the man that he takes control of her in bed.

>>160199463

>Wada Shinji

Came into this thread to say this, glad it was already posted. RIP. Scanlations never.

>>160212447
But that does sound boring. The only thing she has to do is get used to the 48 positions and maybe suck a dick when asked to. Femdom doesn't nearly scratch that itch either.

Speaking of, maledom and femdom are way too different. Femdom seems like actual BDSM while maledom jist feels like he's saying mean things to her and is more teasing than usual.

>>160212555
Well, YMMV. I really enjoy it when the male lead craves a girl so much that he treats her like a fuckdoll against her will. He should get rough with her and make her pass out. I don't count it as maledom if he doesn't inflict some pain on her.

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>>160212555
>Femdom seems like actual BDSM while maledom jist feels like he's saying mean things to her and is more teasing than usual.
That's exactly why I say there isn't enough actual maledom in manga. Even male leads like the physically abusive ones that were popular in the 90s/early 00s seem harder to find these days. Also the redikomi magazines with violent rape that were ubiquitous during that era seem to have died out.

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>>160201964
>Yurara no Tsuki
Literally the only shoujo mmf love triangle I've ever read that I didn't feel like anyone was getting cucked. Even the love triangle loser ends up with the better romance story (and saves himself for a better, non-cliche shoujo heroine in the sequel).
Nigga got so close to achieving a ghost threesome.

>>160212709
I think it has to do with that biological desire to protect and be protected, and beating them is historically looked down upon.

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>>160212971
Her fucking boyfriend was outside the door too.

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>>160212555
>there will never be a josei where a guy footfucks the heroine while two bitchboys watch with erections

>>160213047
I'm pretty sure men beating their women was acceptable in most cultures historically, as long as they didn't give them life-threatening injuries.
I usually have to search for historical or fantasy settings to still find this kind of relationship, like the one I read recently about a demon general who takes a princess hostage and forces her to become his bride.
If a do-S guy protects a do-M woman, then it's only right for him to make her bleed for him in bed.

>>160212944
Iyagateru Kimi ga Suki has some maledom I think, but it's more because it's a fucked relationship in general.

>>160213423
I read that one, but I wouldn't count it as romance because there's no love there. That guy just has a fetish for harassing girls and making them hate him.

>>160213374
>I'm pretty sure men beating their women was acceptable in most cultures historically
I always thought it was acceptable but still considered lowbrow. Like "I don't want to punch my wife, but what am I to do when she doesn't wash my tankard?". Kinda like how corporal punishment was viewed until recently.

>>160210876
Character writing and decently attractive boys kept the series afloat as long as it did. If thencards are aligned Robot Golf will probably follow that path as well.

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I can't belive Hana to yume let loli romance into there magazine. But at least kaka is a cute

>>160213478
The funniesy thing in my opinion was the comic showing his worst nightmare where the heroine takes his shit in stride because she likes him. It's just funnier to me that this is the line he doesn't want crossed.

>>160213591
Loli looks cute. Decent manga?

>>160213591
I just know that that bitch Kaka is gonna fall for the demon bodysnatcher and be like bye bitch to her nice kind onii-san.

>>160213599
I would really enjoy that series if he's a yandere who had actually fallen in love with her and he's doing all those things to express his twisted love, but his fetish precludes that. It's too bad, because I really like those 70s-inspired character designs.

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>>160213591
It's pretty good. It's based on journey to the west. Only one chapter has been scanlated so far but the rest are up on otakumole

>>160212484
At least Pygmalio's finished at last.

>>160213591
You had me thinking there might be a second chapter translated.

>>160213799
Meant to reply to >>160213646

>>160213529
From what I've read, beating women was something everyone enjoyed back then, at least in medieval times (and in some cultures today):
>While rape, stealing heiresses, and secret mariages were outlawed by 1797 (A.G.L. Shaw, Convicts and the Colonies, Faber and Faber, London: 1966), medieval customs encouraged men to beat their wives regularly. The thirteenth century code in France, Customs of Beavais, advised that "...men may be excused for the injuries they inflict on their wives, nor should the law intervene. Provided that he neither kills nor maims her, it is legal for a man to beat his wife..." (Frances and Joseph Gies, Women in the Middle Ages, Harper Perennial, 1978). A contemporary Spanish law allowed men to kill their fiancees or wives if he suspected her of adultery. The man's honor and integrity had been tarnished, and he was also able to murder the unfortunate lover without facing criminal charges. An English law established a century later allowed a man to "correct" his wife in whatever manner was suitable.
>A document written by Andreas Capellanus (excerpted above)in 1184 states "If you should, by some chance, fall in love with a peasant woman, be careful to puff her up with lots of praise and then, when you find a convenient place, do not hesitate to take what you seek and embrace her by force." Contrary to this quote, peasants were not the only women being raped during the early middle ages. Noble women and ladies of the castle were often taken advantage of in the crowded passages of the castle. It was also not uncommon for a woman to be raped in her own bed while her husband was out attending to family business (Bogin 25).
>A game for knights in training was to seduce and abduct the woman of the castle. This was only a game to test the young knight's valor, but its setting was real life and sometimes ended in the forceful taking of the lady, followed by her rape (Duby 82)

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>>160213591
Loli romance is great.

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>>160213922
>It was also not uncommon for a woman to be raped in her own bed while her husband was out attending to family business
So Toko-ya's Saint Foire Festival series was some pretty historically accurate doujinshi, huh?
>A game for knights in training was to seduce and abduct the woman of the castle. This was only a game to test the young knight's valor, but its setting was real life and sometimes ended in the forceful taking of the lady, followed by her rape (Duby 82)
Pretty sure that's the same as football.

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>>160213928
青年少女 or 人外少女 are the best kinds of pairings in my book.

Does this count as shoujo or shounen, it has male authors?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Comic_Gene

>>160214351
It has a female demographic. What do you think?

>>160214351
>It is marketed as a shōnen manga magazine for female readers.[1]
And that other nigger said shoujo wasn't a genre.

>>160214351
>女性向けの少年漫画雑誌
It's one of those cross-over magazines, like how Comic High was "girlish comics for boys and girls". But the demographic for Comic Gene is still for female readers (女性向け)

>>160214447
>this much denial

>>160214351
That Wikipedia page clearly has no idea, since it's listed as both shounen and shoujo while citing the same ANN article as a source. Its website doesn't seem to suggest it's either.

>>160214489
It's not. This is not a shoujo magazine.

>>160214489
How the fuck does marketing something as being for females make shoujo a genre? Marketing can't change your genre.

>>160214518
The fuck are you saying? This is the magazine with the gay BDSM vampire manga.

>>160214550
>It's not. This is not a shoujo magazine.
If the audience is female, and it's not a shoujo magazine, that means that shoujo is not solely a demographic.
>shoujo = girl
>demographic = female readers
>females = girls
>girls = shoujo

>>160214608
>If the audience is female, and it's not a shoujo magazine, that means that shoujo is not solely a demographic.
I already told you that earlier. It's a marketing label. Still not a genre.

>>160214578
Exactly. That's the fucking point. If it's aimed towards female readers but not shoujo, it means shoujo can't be a demographic. Otherwise it would be shoujo.

>genre
>a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content

Can you idiots learn the definition of genre. Demographics are a form.

>>160214654
See >>160214505
>女性向けの少年漫画雑誌
It's just a concept, the end product is basically shoujo/jousei.

>>160214709
>Demographics are a form.
No, they aren't. Form refers to the content. Demographic refers to an external judgment/intent about who's going to read it.

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>>160208805
Same can be said to "Shonen"
Can you really say that Yugioh and Nisekoi share any similarity other than their main demographic? It's not a genre.
It's different in nature to Mystery, Action, and Romance, which are genres.

Welp, not gonna scroll down and give you more (you)s

>>160214768
Shounen is a genre of manga, Romance/Mystery/Action are all subgenres.

>>160214883
Now you just went full retard.

>>160214749
So when you hear "shounen romance" and "shoujo romance" you don't think there's any difference between the two other than who is intended to read them?

>>160214883
So Aki-Sora and Yotsuba are both the same genre?

>>160214966
>muh ad hominem

>>160215001
No because Aki-Sora is seinen and Yotsuba is shounen.

>>160215068
Champion Red is a shounen mag, anon.

>>160199463
Candy Candy is in there twice

>>160206631
Fairly tail was shojo...

>>160213374
>>160213529
>>160213922
Wife beaters were considered scum and where shunned and mocked by their neighbours. But then so were cuckolds, so if you picked a bad wife you're fucked.

>>160215198
It switched to ichigo

>>160213757
Yeah the premise does kind of mess with it. I liked the beta idea a little better from the mangaka's pixiv logs.

>>160214999
Not definitionally, there isn't.

Target audience is far more important than publishing magazine. Haikyuu for example is written specially for female readers yet it is in shounen jump.

>>160209593
Finish up? I thought it was long over.

>>160217189
>Not definitionally
Not what I asked. Genre itself is 100% subjective because it's comparisons of art.

>>160217437
Lots of girls buy shounen jump though. You'll never see something aimed at males in a shoujo magazine.

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>>160217987
Don't be so sure.

>>160213757
>had actually fallen in love with her and he's doing all those things to express his twisted love
I fucking hate that trope. Like when you have a really good character with a conflicting personality and then as soon as the girl falls in love with him he's like "lol I was just a tsundere".

>>160217595
They have a second one where the protagonist is a guy with a crush on a girl and then gets turned into girl.
For some reason they decided to go the het route with a friend of the protagonist (exactly the same as their other manga), instead of the yuri route with the girl he has a crush on who is an actual lesbian.

>>160203668
MC is too badass for this to be considered shoujo.

Shoujo MCs are all like, "all these hot guys are interested in me. doushio!"

>>160215570
Is a cuckolded wife-beater a double negative and thus worthy of admiration?

>>160211687
The next book after she gets married with Gilbert.

>>160217654
What? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. While in practice there may be (and are) differences in the average shounen romance and the average shoujo romance, those things are incidental to whether the series meets the definition of shounen or shoujo. The exact same thing could be shounen, shoujo, seinen, josei, or none if you put it in different places.

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>Bronze no Tenshi
>Russia, 1828. Natalia's family is fallen nobility, left poor by her father's chronic illness and mother's poor management. Her family's only chance at revival is her marriage to a wealthy noble. With her family's hopes riding on her future husband, what chance does a poor poet have at winning her heart...?
>And the "poor poet" is no other than the famous Russian poet Aleksander Pushkin.

Have any of you ever read the manga about Aleksander Pushkin being cuckolded by some british dandy and his wife fucking around while he raises their children and makes money for the two of them?

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>>160219553
>>Russia, 1828. Natalia's family is fallen nobility, left poor by her father's chronic illness and mother's poor management. Her family's only chance at revival is her marriage to a wealthy noble. With her family's hopes riding on her future husband, what chance does a poor poet have at winning her heart...?
>This sounds pretty nondescri-
>>And the "poor poet" is no other than the famous Russian poet Aleksander Pushkin.
What.

>>160219467
We're back to the beginning, sigh. It's both. If you can say "shoujo" and people can picture certain thematic similarities, then it is not solely what the gender of the target audience is. It's a demographic and a genre.
If you threw HYD into Jump it would be a shoujo manga serialized in a shounen magazine.

>>160218697
I meant if he had fallen in love with her from the beginning and his violent acts are part of that love. That would be something interesting than being a tsundere.
As it is, he's just a crazy person with nothing about him to empathize with. That's fine if you enjoy that sort of thing, but to me he's just an object and not one with any depth either.

>>160219140
Would you cheer if a guy beats his wife after she cheats on him?

>>160219765
I sure would.

>>160219553
>Bronze no Tenshi starts off nicely enough when we are first introduced to a seemingly indifferent, but beautiful Natalia who immediately captures the heart of poet and court upstart, Alexander Pushkin. After a very fervent courtship on the part of Pushkin, Natalia eventually relents and marries the handsome poet. Unfortunately for him, Natalia doesn’t seem to hold Pushkin in the same regard as he holds for her, and the introductoin of the handsome soldier George D’Anthes is a sign of worse to come. I’m sure you can see what’s coming next. The rest of the story is spent building on the growing attraction between Natalia and D’Anthes while court politics and financial ruin continue to plague Pushkin. Without spoiling much else, let’s say things build to a very explosive climax. I would like to say that the story ends nicely and that we get some type of closure or that you feel any type of sympathy for what happens to any of our characters.

The reviews are great.

>>160219749
> If you can say "shoujo" and people can picture certain thematic similarities, then it is not solely what the gender of the target audience is
No, because like I just fucking said, those are incidental, rather than essential properties of "shoujo."

> If you threw HYD into Jump it would be a shoujo manga serialized in a shounen magazine
No, you fucking faggot, that's not how it works.

>sigh
Alright, I've had enough.

>>160219765
I wouldn't. That just means that you actually give a shit about her. You're letting the cucking win if you let it absorb you. Most alpha solution is to excise her methodically, like a tumor from your life.

>>160219875
>incidental
>accompanying but not a major part of something.
Except those things are a major part of the shoujo genre. Something without them would not be shoujo. If you put Dragon Ball in Dessert it'd be a shounen manga in a shoujo magazine. It's not incidental at all.

>>160220047
If you put Dragon Ball in Dessert, it would be a completely different manga because the editors will make alterations to tailor it to the target audience.

>>160220131
So you see my point? Those alterations are the similarities in form that make it a genre.

>>160219068
Because you're looking at the wrong genre. Cardcaptors, Rayearth, Yona, Shoujo horror have some great MCs.

You could literally say the same about all the beta MCs running around in shounen and you'd still be wrong.

>>160218629
>This extra chapter was published in dec 2014's bessatsu shounen magazine

>>160220203
No, it's just appealing to a different demographic.
There might me different criteria for certain genres, but that doesn't necessarily mean that shoujo, shounen and the like are genres. All they do is just appeal to that audience., weras genres have certain settings in mind or plot beats in order.

So you could have s shounen and a shojo mystery manga, for example, and they couldl both have romance, but one could have more beautiful women because boys like hot ladies while the other would make the boys handsome because girls like that.

>>160220047
>>accompanying but not a major part of something.
No.

>>• occurring by chance in connection with something else
Those traits do not define shoujo. They are not necessary for something to be shoujo, and their absence is not necessary for it not to be shoujo.

>>160220543
>There might me different criteria for certain genres, but that doesn't necessarily mean that shoujo, shounen and the like are genres

It does mean that. Similar criteria is a similarity and can be categorized, hence: a genre.

>>160220605
>Those traits do not define shoujo. They are not necessary for something to be shoujo, and their absence is not necessary for it not to be shoujo.

So every shounen manga could be put in a shoujo mag and automatically become shoujo? Nah. You can't put a barbie in the boys aisle of a toy store and say it's a boy's toy.

>>160203668
Is this translated? Can't find shit.

>>160220468
It's an advertisement to boys for a shoujo manga. That's the point. Are you stupid?

>>160221045
>So every shounen manga could be put in a shoujo mag and automatically become shoujo
Yes. That's all it is.

>>160221072
No

>>160219553
Soap opera shoujo isn't half bad if you feel like eating trash.

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>>160213591
>can't believe
I can

>>160223375
>Every little girl dreams about finding her prince charming and becoming a bride! Nursery school-age girl Rino is no exception. Precocious Rino falls in love with the timid and weak but very handsome and kind Kazuki, a career nutritionist at her school. And so, carried forward by that love, she declares firmly to her love in front of other adults, "If you marry me, I'll definitely protect you!"
That's hot. I like Japanese women's openmindedness toward loli age gap romance.

>>160221045
You probably could. Certain things like CGDCT or some Slice of Life manga could easily fit into a girl's magazine, and those have female fans.

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>>160198975
Fujio Akatsuka

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>>160224110
It's truly refreshing
>loli takes pills to make her a non-loli so she can win the heart of her older male crush
>older male crush actually already in love with loli in loli form

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>ywn have the body strength to dangle an uppity bitch

>>160224893
The author of Akatsuki no Yona is so good but the manga itself is stupid af.

>>160209362
Guys like fighting and other fun stuff. Therefore it is logical that girls who fight alongside them are appealing to their desire for a companion in both combat and sex. Girls are mostly obsessed with more social emotion-y relationship stuff than hobbies, activities, etc.

>>160208607
Certain types of manga with certain repeated or similar tropes, themes, art styles, etc tend to be over represented in shoujo magazines and thus these similarities are used to colloquially refer to shoujo as a genre

>>160198975
Plenty of female authors have been successful in the shonen genre so I don't think it's totally unbelievable a male couldn't succeed in the shoujo genre. Unless female authors are just more versatile.

>>160198975
Usually you can always tell if it's a male author or a female author writing something. Mostly the way they handle relationships and romance. The way males write it just doesn't appeal to female readers at all.

>>160210591
When the majority of the characters are a bunch of cute boys sweating, why wouldn't female readers be attracted?

Standard fangirls aside sports manga are notorious for attracting a predominantly fujo audience. Just look at the doujins and pixiv for proof. It's insane. Even if KnB itself doesn't really come of as fujo, they still dominate the fanbase.

>>160226580
This, women are scumbags and males will always be writing to an audience which only exists in their mind. This is why 2d is best.