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Why does everyone love this anime so much?
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>>160152991
It's shit after bake because no meme and the only times it's remotely good in the latter seasons is when kaiki is there. So to summarise, the males are the only good thing about the series.

You also posted the most boring girl in the show.
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>>160153127
It's been like 4 seasons since bake, stop watching it if you don't like it
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Who doesn't like atonal piano "music" played over minimal backgrounds while talking heads discuss matters that are apparently witty and thought-provoking to the japanese audience, but don't bridge the cultural gap all that well, much less in the form of subtitles.
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>>160152991
I watched it because of Ononoki, it was alright.
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>>160153127
>males are the only good thing
>Koyomi is the main character
What are you even bitching about, again?
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I'm in it for the banter
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>>160152991

>Everyone
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Its a modern masterpiece that only experienced anime fans will enjoy. Too much for normalfag brains to handle the banter and the lolis and the lewd and the plots.
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>>160153401
the girl to boy ratio is crazy high
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Is Sodachi a good girl ?
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based mc, cute girls, great banter and plot
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I am but a simple man, I like cute girls and cheese pizza.
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it's anime's French New Wave
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Dropped it when he tried to save the monkey chick when she tried to kill him. Sick of "i must save everyone" type of faggots.
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>>160154362
I'd try my hardest to save this ass too
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>>160154362
whoosh

thats the sound of the point sailing over your head btw :)
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Take a good drama, then dress it up with monsters, cute anime girls, and jokes so it's not just people whining 24/7. Then you get Monogatari.
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>>160152991
for a reason and whose who "hate it" love it too but feel good about posting hater comments, that about it

human mind is pleb mind but well what can you do
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>>160153777
seeing this scene after kizu made my heart melt.
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It's a fun character drama with a handful of rad dudes and a boatload of waifus, despite everone being written as an actual fucking person for a change.
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>>160153673
Yeah, so am I.
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>>160154702
There's no points in this show, only mediocre fan-service.
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>>160155039
You need to pay more attention.
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>>160152991
>top tier girls
>top tier banter
What else do you need?
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>>160152991

PowerPoint + fanservice = Monogatari.
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>>160155121
That's only true for the original release of Bakemonogatari.
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My favorite kind of story in all mediums is "lots of talking interspersed by brief moments of especially good action"
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I have never watched an episode of that anime

but i appreciate its existence because of the top tier hentai
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>>160155068
To what, exactly? There's nothing much in the show, if you're above 16. Dialoges aren't entertaining, and their main purpose is to make pantsushots more relatable. What kind of point we're talking about in a show existing purely for fan-service?
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>>160155173
Do you like this season's Re:Creators, anon?
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>>160155005
>despite everone being written as an actual fucking person for a change
If your definition of being an "actual fucking person" is talking in pretentious monologues 90% of the time, I don't even want to know what you don't consider a person.
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>>160153890
Supreme taste indeed.
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>>160155210
Yes, it's my favorite of last season. I think Princess Principal may be better, though
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>>160155005
>everone being written as an actual fucking person for a change
But that's just horseshit. Nobody in the series acts like a real person would.
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>>160154801
What point? Even the meme fag questioned him for it and he just does it because. MC's that always try save everyone are top tier garbage and have no identity for themselves.
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Waifu faggotry. Same reason anything else is popular
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>>160155196
Not entertaining is a valid criticism of Monogatari even though I disagree. They don't have a point is a retarded statement that makes me wonder if you were paying attention. If it's for 16 year olds (which is part of its primary demographic but not all of it) as you say the point should be obvious to you too.
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>>160153127
bad taste
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I like dialogue.
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>>160155612
Especially Nisio's. His wordplay and ideas are very fun.
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>>160155039
>only mediocre fan-service.
>mediocre
ahahahahahaahahahahahaahahah

Oh man, that was funny thanks /a/non.
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Katanagatari was better. The other series with a blue haired chick looks trash though.
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>>160153698
She is basically female koyomi, dangerously selfless but instead of supernatural issues she only tries to fix social issues while being socially retarded.
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only brainlets don't understand the series
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>>160153127
>It's shit after bake
This.
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>>160155220
Give examples of pretentious monologues.
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kizu was the latest one right?

theres also a couple of movies ?
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>>160155965
How is Sodachi selfless? She held a grudge for years because someone didn't realize she wanted help when she using them. She's a textbook normie woman: self-absorbed and self-centered. Just because she took care of her mother doesn't mean she's "selfless". She isn't socially retarded either, she's just a jerk.
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>>160156214
Kizu are the movies. Three of them.
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>>160155779
Zaregoto is leagues ahead of both Monogatari's but the adaption sucks.
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>>160152991

it's overrated garbage.

>>160155159

You skip scenes or something anon? it's every 2 minutes.
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>>160156259
They're only 1 hour each though, they're more like specials more than movies. The three together are movie length
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>>160156259
o ye

nise was the last series, right?
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>>160156325
Three and a half hours is a long fuckin' movie.
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>>160156301
>it's every 2 minutes
retard
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>>160156367
nah if you take out the previews and credits from the first two movies and edited them together they'd make a movie just under 3 hours, which is a long but normal length
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>>160156372

Nice, rather than having a constructive argument to back your claim, you hit me with the word "retard."
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>>160156261
I would disagree to a certain extent, Zaregoto's main plot only gets good by vol4, vol1 was pretty good with a couple of asspulls at the end, vol2 was a clusterfuck and vol3 was barely a murder mystery. Monogatari plot has an entirely different focus, but I think it has better and more entertaining characters save for greengreengreen the madman, zigzag, aikawa and miss fortune teller. I still think Nisio is a pretty amazing writer but honestly for the most part Monogatari clicks with me more.
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>>160156494
You are retarded. Every 2 minutes makes zero sense for the powerpoint part and it's untrue for fanservice.
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>>160156509
Vol 1 had no asspulls though and vol 2 is still the best thing nisio has written.
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>>160156531

You're on delusional /a/ustist. I cannot feed you anymore.
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>>160156613
Yes, now go kill yourself.
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>>160156239
>goes back to her family to try to save it
>helps a little boy in trouble in the simple hope he would help her
>becomes a class president to fix the problems with her classroom, including helping Senjougahara due to her "illness"
>tries to find the cheater in her classroom
>fixes the bullying issue in her later school as well
>fixes Araragi's relationship and continue providing support later
>helps Nadeko
>Works helping little kids with family problems like she had.
That cover all her parts in the story besides when she gave up during owari and zokuowari. She is pretty much always helping someone or solve some injustice but most of the time causing undesirable damage to other people and mostly herself.
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>>160156363
Nise is the second series.
Bake > Nise > Neko:Kuro > Second Season > Hana > Tsuki > Owari > Koyomi
Hope I didn't miss any. Owari 2 soon.
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>>160156574
I respectfully disagree, vol2 was bullshit in its most pure form, x over y shit is still one of the most infuriating things I ever pondered over, and it turned out to be a fucking nothing.
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>>160156697
Kizu goes between Owari and Koyomi but I'm assuming you didn't include them intentionally. Kizu can be watched at almost any point in the series anyway
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I stayed for the spook. Even so, I was put off from watching it due to the first crab arc. Twice.
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>>160156793
I didn't include them because I was unsure, actually, but thanks for clearing it up.
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>>160156682
Also, it's hard to think she isn't socially retarded if you read Fiasco. People say something to her, she spends 3 pages thinking what was said, then 3 pages deciding how to react and counter measures to anything retarded she could do, still misreact after all her planning and then rationalize that at least she didn't had a fit and stripped herself naked.
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>>160156682
>goes back to her family because her psychological issues cause her to reject the "wrong" Araragi family
>uses a little boy in the only way she can manipulate him (math) hoping he develops telepathy
>becomes a class president to exert control over others because she's a control-freak, including helping those below her to feel better about her misery
>tries to find the cheater in her classroom so that people will admire her
>gets on other's people's business out of self-righteous self-satisfaction
I don't know about "fixing ragi's relationship" nor "helping Nadeko" so can't reply to those points.
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>>160156972
Except in Fiasco she was popular for a while and decided to throw away to help someone. And in that we had her thought process, unlike how you're make assumptions. Though it does show how Nisio does it right, only a couple of her classmates in Naoetsu thought of her differently from what you assumed according to the commentaries.
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>>160156682
is math your waifu or something?
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monkey > bat > crab > cat (human) > spook > cat (neko) > math > doll > snek
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>>160157212
She is my favorite character, not my "waifu".
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>>160157285
above shinobu?
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>>160157323
Snail was my favorite before, only then Bat. And Math is tied with Kunagisa Tomo including all Nisio works.
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>>160157323
bat a shit A SHIT
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>>160157281
Bat > Doll > Crab > Monkey > Snail > Cat > Bee > Math > Cap > Bird > Mama > Fist > Devil > Spook > Snake
Ragi > Meme > Seishirou > Kaiki > Tadatsuru > Sode > Drama > Giro
>>160157168
Fair enough. I haven't read the LNs, so what do I know.
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yaaaaaayyy piss piss
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>>160157281
>>160157450
Hanekawa's arcs are shit tier
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It's embarrassing that this is the one show where the /a/ consensus is completely wrong. Pic extremely related. I can only hope that people here one day begin breaking the conditioning.
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>>160157584
Tiger is the best written arc in the series besides Fiasco.
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>>160157675
Medusa is the best written arc
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>>160157285
so do you have a waifu or husbando?
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>>160155612
Same
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>>160157731
I like that one too.

>>160157600
The only embarassment was gorespammer. He must have had a nervous breakdown with Monogatari still going.
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>>160156494
I was the one who made the initial post, btw. Not the anon that called you a retard.
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>>160157675
I would say the worst written is probably Phoenix. I like Tsuhiki don't get me wrong, but that arc's focus was all over the place.
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>>160157450
To be fair, she did think she would be popular after succeeding with the class trial. She also didn't think her "plan" would backfire that hard in Fiasco. So selfless might not be very accurate, impulsively self-loathing justice obsessed might have been better, she just puts other people over herself because she puts herself rock bottom.
>>160157847
I would say so, I even made a fairly sophisticated AI using her in the prototype for a graduation project (not unlike many anons working in engineering and computer science). She is obviously not from Monogatari and this is the last blogging I'll do in this thread.
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>>160158278
Nise in general was terribly written.

It did have the two best OPs of the franchise though, so I forgive it
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>>160158278
I can agree with this. I like Tsukihi too, and was really looking forward to the arc, but it fell a bit short.
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>>160158401
Uh, when did that happen? I don't recall watching that.
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>>160158724
Those were from Sodachi Lost commentaries fansub.
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If this was spread around before the afterword, I wonder how many would think he was forced to write the sequels instead of writing it as a joke instead.
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I wish Araragi would drop crab and get with math. They would be a perfect couple. Sodachi is the best.
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>>160157851
I miss Hachikuji. Araragi's conversations with her and Kanbaru were the best by far.
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>>160159098
Owari 2 spoilersSnail is coming back
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>>160159098
I agree, their conversations are great.
Soon.
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>>160159098
Read the novels if you haven't for more and better conversations.
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>>160158935
Sodachi will get a handsome, young and loyal mathematician while she does her doctorate in math. She is best being Araragi's tsunbro and his only close friend with zero sexual tension for a change.
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>>160154362
A) he's literally scolded that same scene by senjou for not taking anyone else into account when he attempts to sacrifice himself. Kaiki also scolds him for his whiteknighting in Koi.
B) Araragi actually holds back the girls in his harem, those who leave develop by moving past him.
C)This behaviour causes parallel world araragi to die as a set up to mayoi jiangshi (offscreen, purported)
D) He manifests an aberration as a result of his shortcomings
E) Literally nobody watches the show for it's focus on araragi, and many later arcs barely feature him at all

I'm pretty tired and some of this maybe off and by no means complete, but to write him off as a dime-a-dozen harem protag is to miss pretty much everything worthwile about watching him develop and watching the series progress. Yes it's a lot of setup before you get payoff, but it's worth it.
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>>160159232
Would I have a chance with Sodachi if I wasn't a math nerd? I'm not very smart. Can't even play chess properly (much less Go or Mahjong).
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>>160159367
>trying to convince speedwatchers
Don't waste your time trying to convince people that judge an anime by watching youtube videos of it.
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>>160159467
>not watching 10 anime at a time all at x5 speed

you probably haven't watched more than 1000 anime kek
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>>160152991
Why are phone posters tolerated? When did this become acceptable?
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>>160153127
this.

the director phoned it in. the long meandering conversations only worked because of the quirky editing and interjections and random cuts. they completely forgot to do that in every season since and replaced it with fanservice.
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>>160159387
I wouldn't bet she would have particularly high standards and she seems to have a sense of emergency since she is only confident about her looks, the hard part would be dealing with all her emotional baggage, mood swings, her being afraid of males because of all the beatings from her father according to Fiasco and tendency to not be a good mother never having had a proper one.
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>>160159593
Did Shinbo do all of them?
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>>160159646
Unfortunately. The weird part is, he did Bake and Madoka at the same time, yet still managed to make both into legendary animes.
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>>160159683
forgot to mention, the new movies are still great tho. every part of kizu redeems it.
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Shinobumonogatari - “initial” thoughts

It’s just a feeling, but it seems to me as though when Nisio started writing the Monogatari series, Ii-chan started getting a little bit like Araragi… And now the cycle has come full circle, with the Zaregoto anime airing, as Araragi starts getting more like Ii-chan. I’m several chapters into Shinobumonogatari and there have been moments where I could forget I’m reading Monogatari and not Zaregoto (were it not for the fact that Araragi is 僕 and Ii-chan is ぼくw).

Anyway Deathtopia is HERE and here to stay I love this so far


full spoilers where
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>>160159593
It still has quirky editing, interjections and random cuts. I would say the directing got less experimental than in bake, but the live action material and real-world imagery always stuck out a bit to me.
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>>160159824
exactly this, i loved those moments whrn youd be caught up in the intensity of the scene and without noticing the world hadn't broken down into strange surrealist imagery and then it would i jolt you awake with weird flashes of real world imagery or video, or change the art style completely.
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its a harem with themes, not many of those out there
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>>160160145
not just a harem with themes, a harem with original, unique and interesting girls who are all significantly more interesting than the main guy.
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>>160160330
he was interesting in the first episode when he was a disillusioned asshole who pretends to be injured and only gives a fuck about getting shit done.

then he got harem mc syndrome and became a righteous justice fag who fights or some shit? i think what attracted most people to bake in the first place was that he was pretty weak against the oddities, like the fight against kanbaru, he just didn't give a fuck and got shit done no matter how much of a beating he took.
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>>160159565
How do you know OP is a phoneposter?
>>160159639
I can deal with all of that without problem. I'm impervious to hate and derision (it's not that I'm a masochist, it just bounces off). If only I was 2D too.
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>>160159793
>I’m several chapters into Shinobumonogatari
>full spoilers where
If you're reading it, why do you need spoilers?
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>>160160907
it's from one of the gatari translators blog
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>>160160953
It's being released online already? Link?
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>>160160560
His whole family is like that though.
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>>160161149
Expected from children of 2 cops.
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>>160160560
even later in the series he's still pretty weak against oddities. he often relies on shinobu or gaen or whoever to help him or tell him what to do
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>>160152991
its got the right mix of comfy and cute girls and spooky and plot and abstract art
series is not recommended for people with ADHD
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>>160161214
i would more expect them to rebel against their parents and be delinquents desu. the kids of cops i know irl tend to think they can get away with fucking anything
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>>160152991
Well when it started it had amusing fanservice and entertaining fight scenes with a bit of gore.

But since they seem to have completely done away with that stuff in later season (I understand the whole Konomi can't heal anymore, but still...) I still watch it cause it can be legitimately funny sometimes, I enjoy the supernatural stories, and other than crab and snake, I like all the characters.
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>>160153127
this is bait, bake was the worst season of the series and every other season after it is far superior
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How many people did Araragi actually save, anyway? I mean like actually save.

Crab saved herself, with Bat he made everyone unhappy, Cat saved herself with help from Crab, Snail he failed to save, Snake he made things even worse, Math got a pep talk from Cat and he was just there for the ride.

I guess maybe Bee and Birb?
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>>160161312
Shit parents yield shit kids. Being a cop doesn't necessarily make you a good parent. Araragi even mentions how stern his parents are, throwing them into the county jail when they misbehaved.
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>>160152991
try harder, anon
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>>160161371
Its more about people he saved by stopping the oddities.

He stopped Bat from indiscriminately killing humans for Food. Prevented Cat/Tiger from doing what they were doing, Snake could've royally fucked up a lot of people if she lost control.
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>>160161834
Nah I mean whenever people bitch about Arararararagi's messiah complex. I mean yeah he wants to, but virtually every time he tries either he fucks it up worse or they save themselves or else it's subverted in some other way.
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Serious question: If someone had climbed to the shrine and asked Nadeko while she was a goddess to take their virginity... as a goddess, was she supposed to have done it?

I would have tapped that medusa ass, to be honest.
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>>160162403
she probably wouldn't have to do it

but she would have done it.
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>>160162403
>that sweet soft tight virginal medusa ass
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Guillotine Cutter did nothing wrong. He deserved a better ending
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I'm just here for Take Five desu senpaitachi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs
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>>160162808
He's got a fucking cool outfit too, it's literally a sin that he was killed
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>>160161457
How is it bait?
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>>160162808
>knows that he only contributed because of Oshino making it possible
>knows that kiss-shot was back at full power
>Mr. kidnaps teenagers here thinks that he can take her on
>gets BTFO instantly

He only got what was logical.
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>>160163543
Does the LN explain why Giro went into the cram school? It sounds illogical.
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>>160162808
Anyone else disappointed that this guy was the biggest jobber of the three? He was hyped up so much that it was quite a letdown
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>>160152991
Why does anyone love any anime?
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>>160152991
It's an acquired taste.
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>>160161371
he literally saved nadeko's life in bake though. otherwise she would have been asphyxiated by the snakes
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>>160162808
Wasted character design
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>>160164669
would have been for the best if she died
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>>160164669
Nah, Oshino saved her
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>>160164772
No cos otherwise we wouldn't have had Kaikimonogatari arc with all that juicy juicy kaikiservice
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>>160164806
What? Meme wasn't even there.
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>>160165225
He's talking about the first Nadeko oddity. Meme gave them the charm to kill the snake.
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>>160163718
"I don't recall having made any pact with you, Heartunderblade -- I just wanted everything to turn out for the best. It was just better for me if you chose to die in order to turn Araragi-kun back into a human. For me -- in other words for humans." Oshino said. That's right. Surely that was true even for Guillotinecutter. I thought it was strange that he meekly returned Kissshot's arms, however, if I remember correctly, Oshino said he told Guillotinecutter the gist of it -- he informed him that I wanted to turn back into a human, and that Kissshot accepted it. Therefore he returned them. Oshino obtained a compromise by doing so. By doing so he persuaded him -- with that reason, Guillotinecutter gave in. If that was the case, even if he returned the arms he wouldn't contradict his doctrine."
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>>160165483
That just makes it more confusing
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>>160165407
so? araragi was the one who took action and saved her life
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>>160165407
Meme didn't expect two snakes to show up though. In the end it was Araragi who was there.
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What subs are the most recommended to watch the series? I'd like subs that actually explain the jokes and puns instead of trying to localize them
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>>160165872
i was just correcting the guy that said meme wasn't there, meme didn't leave until the end of that season
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>>160165660
Basically Oshino told Gui that Kissshot was going to let Koyomi kill her, and he went there to 'assist' in that process by self-sacrifice.
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>>160165483
Thanks for answering. That indeed makes it more confusing like >>160165660 mentioned.
>>160165998
Are you saying Giro basically committed suicide? The text you pasted doesn't indicate Giro's intentions besides returning the arms wouldn't contradict his mission, which was to make Kiss-shot a non-threat.
>>160165942
Avoid commie at all costs. Coalgirls did a good job, imo.
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>>160165942
As long as it's not Commie you should be good. The more important consideration is that you grab a good 1080p Bluray version.
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>>160165998
and he almost got away with it until that dumb neko ruined everyone's plans
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>>160166176
I was saying that to demonstrate that Oshino told him Kisshot planned to die, the part about Gui's suicide is more conjecture based on some vague statement in Kizu about "Gui thought he was deceived by Oshino and entered the cram school alone".
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