Berserk

>>160127691
It really does look like those fan art colours they put on mangastream before the actual chapters begin

I thought it was fucked up cosplay from the thumbnail.
But then again, nothing new Miura is a shit artist.

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I don't know how he's able to look at the image on the left and think to him "damn, that looks great, let's get it published!"

>>160128082
this is an /ic/ post so I will treat it as such

post your work

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>>160128210
>if you're not a talented and highly regarded artist you have no right to criticize

lol

>>160128082
Yeah how dare he be good at so many things but try to learn something new. What an asshole.

>>160127691
he doesn't know how to use the tools properly most likely has no idea how to modify the brushes to beyond basics I mean hes old and its new to him but its surprising that no one is helping him

>>160128295
You certainly do have the right to complain all you want, however without actual knowledge on the subject it just amounts to bitching.

Consider some civilian complaining about a recently built bridge to one of the architects behind it. He complains it's ugly and the style doesn't suit the landscape, do you think the architect actually gives a damn? If it were an engineer discussng the structural strengths and material costs then his opinion holds infinitely more value than the random civvie ever could.

In short, you don't even know what you're complaining about, but you complain anyways, which is exactly why no one gives a shit

>>160128082
>>160127691
Problem is, he is going lineless in digital, and lines are 80% of his art's usual appeal. The bland muted darkish colors are just a matter of his taste/style.

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>>160128337
>learn something new
>been 2 years already
>still can't draw worth a damn

It's funny how his manga is full of digital bullshit but he's off drawing nice traditional images for something that's not even his own work.

>>160128431
>no one gives a shit

Apparently you haven't been to Berserk threads.

>>160128431
Yeah, and I'm supposed to like ME:A because "it just works".

>>160128456
What the fuck are you even on about.

>>160128502
His art for Flame Dragon is drawn in traditional and it looks similar to the artwork he did about 10 years ago for the peak of Falconia's arc.

>>160128353
Most digital artists work only with a handful of brushes. His style just doesn't translate well to digital.

>>160128431
You're an idiot, stay away from /ic/ and stick to /i/.

>>160128082
He should just stop drawing all together huh? Because he cant draw as well anymore he should just disappear.

>>160128501
What the fuck is ME:A?

>>160128576
this is a lie

>>160128591
No, I don't mind his story. But manga is a visual medium, and I would like it to look good. I don't expect him to be where he was 10 years ago, but I don't expect thick lines and characters with vaseline on their faces. If it takes him longer to publish well drawn manga, I don't mind waiting.

>>160128547
So? Shit man I don't know if you do draw but manga and comics take a lot more time to do then illustrations, not to mention that I'm sure pretty much all his work uses digital elements +assistants. You think anyone wants to deal with real tones anymore now that they have digital options?

The guy is trying to use a new painting style digitally and we clearly know his strong-point is pen and ink hatching. Personally I don't think the images posted here look that bad, but they are stylized and what others have mentioned, don't use black lines that we are used to. I think you are just a negative nancy who likes to whine.

>>160128618
Mass Effect: Andromeda. Complete trainwreck of a game in a generally well-regarded and highly profitable series. It was so bad that the company that made it is basically going to be stuck working on other companies' games as support for at least the next decade before having any hope of getting another chance.

>>160128082
what is wrong with the left? the coloring is good but something is off? what is it missing?

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>>160127691
>literal deviantart tier

What the FUCK happened?

>>160128666
>manga and comics take a lot more time to do then illustrations

I guess that explains he publishes 4 times a year. 3 months to work on 18 pages of digital manga.

>>160127691
is this miura's?

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>>160127691
Jesus Christ

It's like someone would take his black and white art, colorized it in shitty way and put some terrible filters over it

I would prefer if he stopped doing anything at this point

>>160128735
Yes.

It's volume 39's bonus artwork.

I mean, it's not like they are bad. He's no Velazquez but he's still a good artist.
The anatomy, proportions, perspective, light, etc. is all in order.
I guess the problem is that it looks like a fresh painting. Colors in digital obviously don't oxidize, get dust, or fade with light, so it doesn't look like a worn out painting you'd see in a museum.
OPs pic would be alright if the magical creatures weren't so happy and he hadn't applied DoF blur hard to the background and none to the characters. Otherwise it's absolutely fine, just different from what we're used to see from him. Also the choice of some creatures makes it feel cheap, like the fucking unicorn.

>>160128082
This one is also completely fine, maybe the curtain cloth/canvas on top of her head is left a bit too soft but it would be on par with a traditional academic painting. Usually it depends on the era you're learning from. Some renaissance stuff looks exactly like this, some people prefer super hard contrast like the Greco, etc.

Obviously his black and white work is stunning, the contrast like and style of relief print art is always nice to see.

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There is nothing wrong with Miura's new style.

Stop whining, manbabies.

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>>160128722
I have no doubt that this image, even using digital tones, took weeks if not months to draw.
And that I won't even have a decent scan/real look until the tankoban comes out, as scanlators usually do a lot of shitty edits to make the magazine printings look good.

>>160128805

She turned into an actual blowup doll.

>>160128717
I think he died or ended in psychiatric hospital and someone doing it in his place

>>160128805
nice bait

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>>160128661
Honestly the more hours you put into a piece of art the more diminishing returns you get, to the point that it becomes pointless to "work longer" on it. I know a girl (over the internet) who got arthritis in both her arms and wrists and had to give up drawing all together after 12 years, and the "word on the street" is that Miura is having pretty bad pains so he may not even be physically able to draw as well anymore.

>>160128702
>>/v/
Why you thought anyone would automatically know what the fuck you were talking about is beyond me.

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>>160128709

>>160128805
She's puffing her lips up to attract Guts.

>>160128658
You are obviously an expert digital artist. Why don't you open PS and fix one of the images to show us all what he did wrong?

>>160128813
Does volume 38 have digital chapters? It might just be a volume 39 thing.

Volume's 38's just been released in the US, so it'll take a week or so before the scans are uploaded.

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>>160128805

>>160128886
I'm a different anon. I was just explaining, since I have no idea why they assumed everyone outside /v/ would know what it was, either.

>>160128895
I only do traditional but i know people use many many brushes they develop over years of trail and error. People even buy brush presets from the better artists. The argument that "Most digital artists work only with a handful of brushes" is bullshit.

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Going digital was his best decision ever

The art is shit as part of the story. Casca will die soon and we will shift into darkness with Guts.

>>160128886

As artists age their work becomes more abstract.

He's getting old and doing the same caliber of technical pieces from his early work is just not feasible.

The thick simplified lines we see in his recent chapters are just the beginning.

I expect Berserk art to be full on Picasso if he takes another 10+ years to finish.

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>>160128082
Anyhow /co/ tangent but that is nothing compared to Megalex.
Compare the 3rd part to a image from the 1st or 2nd where the artist was trying digital painting/modeling. Its the saddest thing I've ever read after seeing their flat work.

Am i being too optimistic to think that during this 6 month hiatus miura might be able to improve his digital art or is he working with the shitty anime staff for a new season

>>160129018
Both those images have digital elements. You aren't proving jackshit. (1st is definitely better though)

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>>160129086
>>160129050
Well in my opinion his digital art now looks much better then when he 1st started so maybe? Swapping from traditional to digital is not so easy.

>>160128895
So you only do traditional, but you can tell how many brushes you need in digital? What if I told you the brushes you can "buy from better artists" on Patreon are scam to pull some money from dumbass beginners who think "artist XY's brushes will make me draw like artist XY".

Some of the artists never even draw with those, it's just a product to sell to make some more coin for the "starving artist". Meawhile they draw with the 3 brushes they know work the best for them, just changing the settings slightly.

I'm talking brushes for actual drawing, not patterns, clouds and that shit.

>>160129223
meant to go to
>>160128982

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>Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel the older volumes… and my fascination with this dark fantasy world… even my boner for Slan in her intestines form. The masterpiece manga I’ve lost… the talented author I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?

>>160128919
I haven't had a chance to take a look at the released 38 yet but the idea that he's gone to draw digital at all seems like just a shitty fan-theory complaining about the style. The manga has been using digital elements for a long time. But since most people just see the manga on shitty korean scans up-scaled and touched-up by Evil Genius (god bless) they can't really say they have a clue what the manga is drawn in now.

But hey I could be completely wrong if anyone has an actual source.

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This one hurts me the most

>>160129223
Yeah you're probably right, im giving the average digital artist to much credit.

>>160129310
The scans were shit constantly over the years. The art was not.

>>160129302
HAHAHAHA I REMEMEBR LE MGSV TOO ANON :d

berserk apologists will defend anything attached to it and swear its not because theyre a douchebag guts roleplayer

>>160128431
Civil engineer here
Shut up idiot, there's a difference between objectively cost-effective and safe engineering design and objectively ugly art

>>160129494
style =/= traditional/digital split.

>>160129556
berserk haters will attack anything attached to it and swear its not because theyre a douchebag K-on roleplayer

>>160129556
SOMEONES mad the internet doesn't agree with them.

>>160129592
Somebody post that Ctrl+C Ctrl+V image. Unless he presses that on his ink pen, he has gone digital.

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While it is inferior to his traditional color pieces (wich were shit btw, Miura has never been good with colors) I'm optimistic this one is leaps better than this the one he did before.
>>160128082

Also on his digital stuff he's neglecting himself or still haven't learned to advantages of digital where you can "post process" a shitty drawing and make it better with some small tweaks

>>160129076
Man, that bald girl had some fucking amazing titties.

Her knockers were the only thing I remember from that comic.

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>>160129677

>>160129709
This. You can work magic with color adjustment. If not him, at least somebody at the publisher's should be aware of this.

>>160129752
I'm not entirely convinced all these are total copy pastes. Probably de-draws, or traced
You can really see the differences in the bottom right comparison, particularly the head geometry and the drawing of the pauldrons

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>>160129843
>tracing your own art

Look at his ear and tell me again it's not copied and slightly adjusted.

>>160129843
nah man thats 100% C&P

For anyone in the know of digital art, are there any advancements coming that can help traditional artists in adapting and better retaining how they draw? Is the technology simply what it is for the time being?

>>160129984
Yeah if you want to pay like 1000$ you can get a REALLY good tablet that you draw directly on, a computer that can handle it not included. But you are still going to have to learn to use a brush like you would from a pencil to a paint brush or charcoal.

>>160129918
Like the guy said, you know you can literally TRACE over it right? I'm not saying its not lazy and I'm not saying its amazing but If he had a shot he wanted to replicate quickly he probably did JUST that. Physically.

>>160130240
>tracing your own digital art, that you have saved as a layer anyway, in an attempt to achieve 99% accuracy instead of just pasting it.

To... what end?

>>160129709
jesus christ, it's night and day.

I do think it's great he's trying things out, I'm confidant he'll find a technique/style that will work and look best. But yeah, the right one looks so much better with just tweaks.

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>>160127691
>those hands

>>160129984
It's a different medium and you have to come to terms with that. You cannot expect a pencil behaving like pen and you cannot expect to achieve the same effect as with traditional with digital. Of course, digital also depends on the tablet and software you use. And never expect to be a great digital artist right after you switch, just because you have attained all the traditional skill. Improving at digital takes its own time.

I will always draw a bit differently in traditional than in digital and my style is a bit inconsistent anyway. Therefore I can relate to Miura to some extent, but the 16:9 faces and thick lines hurt me too.

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>>160129984
Experimenting with strokes and brush.
Any pen stroke can be emulated with digital.

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Berserk is dead

>>160130378
I think that cluster of flowers looks much better on the left but thats about it.

>>160130429
oh no fucking way, that artist does digital? i thought for sure it was traditional.

love his work

>>160130371
>>160130240

Shhh, let that delusional faggot who never heard of Photoshop sleep. He copies it "physically". Painstakingly line after line, hair after hair, so it looks exactly the same as the picture drew the page before. We finally know why it takes so long to get a chapter out.

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>>160130371
I'm still not buying that the page is 100% digital. My guess if he did trace it he found the physical page he did before and then lighboxed it or even just printed out a scan and draw over it.
BUT. I already had photoshop open to do some edits to other shit and I did a quick copy-paste transparency.

Its pretty DAMN the same, but there are variations in line width in some places that make me think it was traced. But because of the two different scan qualities I wouldn't bet on either or unless I had higher-quality proof.

>>160130511
I don't know if you have ever met a Japanese person but I wouldn't put it past an old mangaka to do that.

Why'd he even go digital if he's not releasing any faster?

>>160129843

>>160129918
>>160129925
>>160130511
Scratch that, the ear and hair look like total copy pastes
The jaw, nose. shading and armor look like a re-draw or a slightly-altered trace though

>>160130709
His second son was just born, give the guy a break.

>>160130765
I don't think Miura needs any more breaks anon

>>160129709
>Make it worse with blowing up the contrast like generic chinese artists and amateur photographers
lol c'mon

>tfw just read the idea of evil chapter after being on par with the releases

HOLY Shit, this chapter literally has too much of the story, it explains everything about nu-griffith.

But, the Idea of evil is "God" or "a god"?

>>160130647
>>160130543

And the benefit is what? That everybody thinks he is copying? If wanted to spare time, he would maybe use the pose or outline, draw him a new face and shade it anew. Trust me, for an artist like Miura it's uncomparably easier to shade his face and draw his hair full of lines anew than copying each of the previous lines.

I can't believe I even have to make this point. It's digital and certainly copied. If you ever drew in your life you would see why and how it's done and why it's not "lightbox" traced. Jesus.

>>160130975
Probably both, depending on how much power people give it. The Idea of Evil was created by man as an excuse for the evil in their hearts. The question that interests me more is, is there a heaven in that world, or does man need to create the Idea of Good to form it?

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>>160131017
Hey dipface, the reason I had photoshop open was because I AM an artist. A shitty casual one, but still draw, touch up and lightbox regularly. I'm editing sketches to be ready for digital right now.
The reason I doubt its digital is because I lived in Japan and have doubts about an old foggy mangaka changing their ways. Not everyone goes the lazy route of COPY+PASTE. Not saying that I'm disagreeing he could have, but its not conclusive to ME.
I personally lightbox shit I could copy and paste all the time, because I like the physical act of drawing. Sometimes you struggle on for a fucking reason.
Here a pic of my shitty workspace.

>>160127691
>manga is renowned almost only for its art
>take the art away
What is there left, Berserkfags? :)

>>160131219
I don't want to be an asshole but i urge you to delete your post, don't want you to get discouraged from something you truly seem to be pationate about.

>>160131297
Your shitposting. Fuck off.

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>>160131297
>manga is renowned almost only for its art
>he really thinks that

>>160131219
>old foggy mangaka changing their ways

Like starting to trace your own panels all of a sudden after 30 years?

Face it, Miura may not be entirely in charge anymore. I think it's quite plausible the assistants digital traced his traditional drawings for the main panels. The backgrounds they were responsible for anyway, so they just copied some of the traced digital drawings and changed expressions and details to make their lives easier.

Believe what you want, but I do not believe Miura would lightbox his own art just to make an ass of himself in front of everyone.

>>160131337
psh watever. I'm not here to defend Miura I'm just playing devils advocate. It could easily be copy-pasted and its sad to even see traced/copied pieces at all
>>160131364
Totally agree that assistants could be involved in the process, and yeah, they could very well trace or just copy his original shit. It would make a lot of sense.

>>160127691
Never thought Danann would be pink.

>>160131435
She's literally cherry blossom incarnate, though.

>>160131435
i assumed she was the color of a peach for some reason.

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>>160127691
Remember when Miura knew how to draw and colour?

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>>160131522
I miss Miura's art :(

>>160131522
Isn't this one of the newer artworks? He still has it in traditional, as was said numerous times. He illustrated that Grunbeld book recently and it looks as good as always.

>>160131626
so all this says is that he can still draw traditional as good as always buy he's trying is hand with digital because he may not be able to in the future?
well seems like berserk will go on for 2 more decades at this rate

>>160131715
Maybe it's the requirement of his publisher. So he struggles with it, with the help of his assistants.

>>160128431
Except any "expert" artist would agree that the image on the left took a fucking nosedive in quality compared to the image on the right.

>>160130429
is that sakamoto shinichi?

>>160127691
I'm not sure what's worse, Miura's new art or the idiots defending it. I like Berserk but I see no reason to defend this shit like a rabid fanboy. It sucks and there is no excuse given the amount of time he spends in between chapter releases, for his art to suck this bad.

>>160132404
coward.

>>160127691
It looks like what you would find back then while searching faeries on google.

Yes i used to fap to them.

>>160130498
All the clothes and shit in Innocent are shooped in, but yeah he's still impressive

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>>160129984
This is digital art.

>>160133066
What the.

>>160129345
It's like her humanity is gone and she's just an elf now. Makes sense considering elves are whores.

>>160129709
It's not all about post-procesing, that image is just really muddy because there's no reflected light anywhere to really tie up all those characters and the background.

It's not horrible, Miura just doesn't seem to understand how light works in color.

>>160127691
Why does it even matter? It's not like Berserk has been entertaining or exciting in the past few years since getting on the boat. In fact it's been pretty shit and even the sea god arc was just passable.

There was a time when Berserk was in the limelight and I don't think anyone will disagree it was a great ride, but ever since Miura healed himself with idolmaster he's basically lost all the essence of prime Berserk and he even admitted he doesn't wanna go back to that anymore, he just wants Guts to have a happy ending.

At this point it's better to place your hopes of exciting high tension blood baths on another series. Even fucking Kingdom has the edge over Berserk in this, and everyone who has even wiki'd once knows how the next 50 volumes is gonna play out.

>>160128805
Why does the middle one look exactly like Elizabeth from that abortion of a Bioshock game?

>>160131219
Donmai.

>>160127691
Artstyle aside, why do female elves have breasts but male elves have no penis? Do female elves breastfeed?

>>160129086
He already came back after 6 months of hiatus to dump those 4 chapters on us.

Do you think those last 4 chapters compare to what Miura wrote 10 years ago?

>>160129345
>she evolved into a fucking cat

FUCK!

>>160133249
That's obvious, but you can slightly fake it until you make it.

>>160129709
>some fucking anon on the internet with 5 minutes on their hand can make something better than Miura

fucking hell

how much of a dick sucking society is japan, where if you're renowned you can literally get away with anything? people praise the streets you walk on and won't criticize you on anything. I can't believe no-one's said to miura "hey man, you can do this and make your art look better"

>>160130543
No shit it's copied. Mouth opening, eye closing, etc are the one thing's that's changed, everything else is pasted.

Miura needs 90 days to come out with 20 pages of artwork where half the pages are copy and pastes.

>>160130765
>>160130781
>Miura
>son
>sex

lol

Coincidentally, the new im@s mobile game is out when the hiatus struck.

hmm

>>160134109
>implying it's actually Miura drawing and not assistants

>>160131626
>newer artworks

Depends on what you mean. Is 2013 recent? That young Guts was drawn and coloured by Miura during the boyhood memories arc, the other with Chitch in it.

He can definitely draw traditionally well, as seen by his art pieces accompanying the new light novel.

He just chooses not to for the manga.

It's not bad at all you fucking autist, it's just he's using the most shittiest way for digital inking.
Though, his coloring is always being meh.

>>160127691
>>160128082
>>160129345
>>160130467
POST YOUR WORK

I bet you faggots don't even have 1/100000000 of Miura's ability

>>160129752
Which chapter of Pop Team Epic is this?

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>>160134316
Stop reminding me you dip

>>160131973
I doubt the publisher has any sway over what Miura does. He's the breadwinner for the publication. He could do whatever he wants.

>>160131017
>And the benefit is what?
that he doesn't know how to use layers and how to copy-paste a part of an image correctly and it's faster for him to just trace it?

>>160133486
What? I thought people liked Bioshock Infinite?

>>160134316
What is this, middle school? Get out of here with that shit.

>>160127691
>>160128082
It's simply because he hasn't mastered how to paint digitally. Painting traditionally and painting digitally are two entirely different beasts. Give him time, I'm sure he'll smooth out the kinks

>>160135403
>Give him time
>give Miura time
Like what, 20 years?

>>160135403
He's already had 2 years.

>>160135509
>>160135649
I have no idea. I don't personally know his workflow and how he studies, so this estimates are meaningless. Plus, there's the fact that he's older now and has lost some of his mental plasticity

Still, you can't learn how to draw digitally in a day, anon. There's simply so much to learn.

>>160133300
>Berserk has been entertaining or exciting in the past few years
there were hardly a volume or 2 in the past few years the fuck you talking about, measure content vs years

>>160133918
>compare
there's that world again

In the anime, what is Griffith saying in the Japanese version when Guts goes to help him out of the water just before the eclipse?

He says something like "If you touch me now, you will never again something something"

Gaiseric is the skull knight and when Judeau is discussing his story with Charlotte she (or he) says there were 5 angels, so in other words Griffith was always going to become the 5th angel and if he hadn't someone else would have. So is the Berserk universe like the Matrix? And doesn't that imply that the original God Hand died? Otherwise how would the lat God Hand be 5?
I need answers

>>160128210
That's a retarded logic. It's like, when a chef serve a disk, and I say it taste horrible, you reply 'you're not a chef, you can't criticise him'

People can like or dislike a work without having to be an expert

>>160136113
I can never again forgive you

I assume people are young but one upon a time artists didn't have computas to do their professional work.
Then personal computas came in during the nineties and there were two types of people. The one thats transitioned to pcs and the ones that didn't.

>>160136321
you don't even need to question something as obvious as change of godhand members
because the ceremony was literally stated to be held every 6x6x6=216 years so that means even after the time of gaiseric there have been multiple ecliples and godhand members and as to what happens to them still remains a mystery
although Void is the oldest and most likely from the gaiseric's time, the vice man(big brain) in his story

>>160137233
It's not a mystery that they must have died somehow otherwise we would see the same old morons.
>>160136796
This doesn't make sense? If Guts touches him he won't forgive him for what? What would he have forgiven anyway?

These are just some things I observed watching the updated Golden age anime recently, I first saw the anime and read the manga about 5 years ago.

>>160137843
>died
yeah but what actually happened, were they absorbed by the others? did the IOE take them? were they killed(highly unlikely)
that's what the mystery is

>This doesn't make sense? If Guts touches him he won't forgive him for what? What would he have forgiven anyway?
because guts was the one who made him forget his dream, he blames guts for his situation

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>>160133249
This guy gets it. In his traditional colored work, his shading was done with lines and cross hatching. In his digital work, he uses grey and black which makes everything look muddy and muted.
This isn't a switch from traditional to digital. It's more like a switch from lineart to coloring.
If he keeps practicing, he will eventually figure out how to work in more warm and cool colors and different effects of lighting. Or he can still go back to lines and hatching for shading in digital.

>>160135086
People do. Which means /v/ hates it.

>>160134015
Every artist is his own strictest critic, I think Miura was impatient, he didn't prepare enough before putting this crap out. But if he keeps procrastinating, he won't get any shit done

>>160138194
Where can I get that stylized color picker? Looks neat

>>160128813
those little helper golems look like R. Crumb drawings.

Berserk/Fritz the Cat when?

>>160128082
technology destroys art

>>160140086
Not really. Digital is just another medium, just like canvas, paper, cave wall or whatever. The fact that one artist is misusing the technology doesn't mean it's destroying art.

>>160137952
Something destroyed them. But that's beside the point.
The thing that I believe changes in this "version" is that Gaiseric intervenes and brings 2 people out of the eclipse and that's probably never happened before, if it had Gaiseric would have probably mentioned it. So that is the "change".

>blames Guts
That doesn't explain why he would have to forgive him at that specific point in time though

>tfw Miura is a hack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utsyWNoupM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkx3pd5ULJs

>Take it, it's yours
>It always was

MIURAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

part of the problem here is half that pic is traced or straight up photoshopped and he hasn't been doing digital art enough to tell he's being obvious
>that background
>those flowers
>that fucking actual photo of an owl

>>160140086
being bad at digital art destroys digital art

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Bump but art alone isn't that important, it's what your art inspires in others

/ic/ is a good tool to grow but if you constantly beat yourself up about how your drawing isn't up to snuff you'll never appreciate all the good you've done

I mean the art in Berserk is good and all, but I think the art is laudable for the human element it brings out

I think the problem people had with the RWBY tier CGI adaptation was the uncanny valley effect

>>160128082
>>160129709

I don't understand, how come he does colours fine when he's working in a traditional medium, but fucks them up when he's working digitally?

I've done both, it's literally the exact same process but with different tools.

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Miura is always was shit painter. I more surprised why no one in studio even tell him about Painter or CSP.
>>160140086
Retard

>>160141728
It's not like he ever denied his movie influences.

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>>160141500
Sir, take a second and parse it out.

If Guts made it in time to touch Griffith he would have come to his senses and let go of this latch ditch "Sell my Humanity" angle. Griffith would have been utterly destroyed by being brought back to reality of his permanently crippled state of being. Any fantasy of change would have been wiped away by the presence of his best friend by his side. It would be like a wake up slap out of a sense of delusion.

Griffith was able to initiate the festival due to the fact that he was nearly out of his mind, close to suicide, and willing to grasp at a fictional notion of godhood. All these factors came together to open the door to his apotheosis. Because Guts did not reach him in time with his warmth, devotion, and brotherly love, Griffith was able to take the plunge into darkness so that he could stack the bodies to rise anew.

There.

Not that hard.

>>160127691
Where can I find Miura's deviant art page?

>>160135797
What's wrong with that?

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>>160150989
But like 30 minutes before that, there was the scene where Guts puts Griffith's armor on. It's clearly a very intimate scene with a lot of touching and tenderness involved. Before that, there was the fight against Wyald, where Guts literally cradled Griffith in his arms like a goddamn bride for an extended period of time.

Why was he being so needy after Guts already did that for him? You can say that he was upset about Guts being affectionate with Casca, but Guts had already shown Griffith 100x more affection than he showed Casca.

>>160154011
There's a difference in motivation. He's being tender here because he loves Griffith as a friend and probably also out of pity for a man who can't even walk on his own anymore. If he truly believes Guts is responsible for his downfall then it's extra humiliating to him to be babied and pitied on by the very man he thinks caused him to end up in such a sorry state in the first place.

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How do I achieve Guts's tree trunk neck?

(scans from the 39th volume)

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Dark Horse's translation of volume 38 is a clusterfuck too. They've had a full year to prepare since the release of volume 38 in Japan, and yet it's still all sorts of fucked up. Literally 0 quality checking at all, even though Berserk is it's flagship seller.

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>>160154333
But doesn't he love Guts? Shouldn't he be happy that Guts is finally giving him the tenderness and attention that he craved all along? It's a sad situation, sure, but I don't quite understand how he could fault Guts for not touching him. He can blame Guts for a lot of other things, like loving Casca more than him or leaving the Hawks, but certainly not for lack of physical affection.

We do know that thinking of Guts was the only thing keeping him sane during the torture, after all.

>>160154421
Convince your best friend to fuck your gf in front of you. I've tried it, it works.

>it has to be realistic!

wew

>>160154645
>a manga should be good

always makes me laugh

the mangaka always dictates if a manga should be good or not, he can publish shit if he wants to

>>160154557
Your gf has to be a nigger though for it to work

>>160128082
Oh God. As was pointed out the crosshatching on the right is what helps it look really nice, whereas with digital shading everything looks completely out of place. It is kind of sad, but I guess that Idolmaster takes too much of his time to the point where he needs to draw quicker somehow.

>>160146154
this supposed to be good?

>>160156047
To me it is, I didn't draw it.

>>160128082
I think left looks unfinished. Right clearly has lots of contrast in the use of white, and lots of texture because of Miura's amazing line work. Left looks muddy because the textures provided by his linework are not visible, nor is there much variation between darks and lights.

I think Miura's digital is decent, but he needs either an assistant or the knowledge to take it a step further. I think he sees digital as a time-saving tool, not an tool that provides it's own advantages and disadvantages.

>>160128805
I really want to stick my penis inside her mouth on image 3. It really is the only and first thing i think of when i see it every time. Can you imagine? Damn I need to pull one.

>>160155710
Oddly it's probably because he's still working in a traditional manner that his digital work looks comparatively weak. With practice and by using a different work flow you can make digital art that looks like a range of different physical mediums. Miura clearly just needs to work out a better methodology.

His hand drawn work shows he's clearly still a fantastic artist and I'd say his digital drawing is fine, if not as refined/subtle as when he works on paper but his digital colour work is shockingly bad compared to his painting.

>>160154501
What's wrong with this page? It looks fine to me.

>>160157102
I'm sure Miura has experience with a variety of different styles:)

>>160128805
Honestly, the third image's obvious issues mostly seem to be from the scans being over levelled. I mean, the eyes are a bit big compared to how he used to draw her but I think that's to reflect how her personality has softened. The lack of more soft cross-hatching is a shame but considering the time it takes I guess it had to be sacrificed if he wants to get remotely more timely releases.

>>160157155
Top right top left, same bubble. Go read the same chapter scanlated.

>>160156823
> Damn I need to pull one

You really do. I hope you enjoy it though!

>>160157376
Oh, what the fuck. They didn't just duplicate that bubble, they shifted a bunch of dialogue one bubble forward. I hope someone's already contacted DH about this shit.

>>160157666
DH doesn't do shit lol.

There are tons of errors in the earlier volumes.

Are there any health benefits for him to go digital?

>>160159892
More time for video games.

Just like the bountiful health benefits from having your manga chapters be 90% dialogue boxes.

>>160160196
I mean in terms of drawing.
Is there any benefit on for him to go digital over regular?

>>160160264
Maybe his fingers or wrists hurt when he draws?

>>160160264
Efficiency, consistency.

But artists and authors sometimes don't actually do better through more effiecient means - George RR Martin wrote far more novels on a fucking Commodore 64 than with modern manuscript software

>>160160341
Who's a bigger fucking lazy hack? GRRM or Miura?

I still think GRRM is worse.

>>160160341
I thought that much, but Miura's releases haven't become more consistent since he switched to digital, and I would dare say we get even less.

If there's no actual benefit to his health, or to the efficiency of his work, wouldn't he be better off going back to regular drawings to, at least, ensure the high quality drawings, which was one of the aspects that made Berserk so remarkable?

>>160127691
>>160128082
Gee, maybe that's because he's 50 years old and was drawing traditionally for the majority of it since he was like 6. What are you fucks even trying to prove?

>>160160544
Hey, I don't imagine folks would complain. There's sometime to be said for the novelty of it.

I kinda can't tell the difference between digital and traditional drawining - I don't draw and - art's not really the first thing I look for in a series.

>>160127691
>>160128082
>Lineless
That's the problem, his appeal is all about the line without it his art is just suck.

>>160160759
Really? I think the lower quality in his art is very apparent, and a shame, because as I said before, the quality of his art was one of Berserk's most attractive aspects.

>>160160916
I mean don't get me wrong I don't want the series turning into Bleach, but so long as there's detail and effort put into the backgrounds and characters who can evoke emotion, it's fine

>>160161043
For me it's an issue because the art actually evolved for the better throughout the years, but as soon as he went digital, his art quality went down considerably for the first time in the history of Berserk.

I cannot talk about the story much, since it's hardly moved forward due to continuous hiatus, but I do feel the story feels a bit stale.

>>160127691
his shading style has not transferred well digitally

>>160161229
Well, there needs to be a big revelation. A change of the status quo.

I'm re-reading Berserk at the moment - well it's more accurate to say I've sort of found my way back to it. Through a cooking manga, if you'd believe that.

>>160161505
I re-read it constantly, since I own all the Japanese volumes. Though, lately I don't re-read it as much as I used to, since I've been finding it disappointing lately.
In HxH, for example, at least we get some cool things when the hiatus stops. In Berserk, the plot barely even moves.

>>160161750
>In Berserk, the plot barely even moves.
Heh, I'll see if I can do something about that.

>>160157483
>>160157483

This is the sweestest, stupidest exchange I've read on 4chains

>>160127691
>>160128082
What is going on are the color strings are too many. He lost the sharp contracts of using fewer tones by shading to many layers.
http://willkempartschool.com/a-beginners-guide-to-colour-strings-and-how-to-paint-quicker/

>>160134468
He did what he wanted with te eclipse, but that was years ago.

Miura was never that good at coloring, and besides the only thing wrong with the drawing is the uncanny faces. The rest is fine.

>>160127691
Uncanny valley

fags

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i weep on a regular basis

>>160134316
Having complainers redline is more effective, honestly.

>>160160441
Miura actually meets the deadlines he sets for himself, when he wants to have deadlines.

GRRM just blows shit out, makes promises he can't keep, and work on shit no-one cares about.

>whoops, the book was 4 years late
>whoops, I said the new book would come out on October 2015, still don't have it yet!

>>160131219
>The reason I doubt its digital is because I lived in Japan and have doubts about an old foggy mangaka changing their ways.
There are mangaka older than Miura that have experimented with digital coloring and drawing, like Masami Kurumanda. Don't talk out of your ass about the manga industry just because you have a fucking light box and had a student visa once.

>>160127691
Berserk is dead. Why people keep reading this shit is beyond me.

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>>160128082
Since when did Erica have tits? Suddenly she's a b cup. Certainly bigger than Schierke. Is Erica older than Schierke?

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>>160173474
The art isn't as great as it used to be but the story is still as ever. Don't be a faggot.

>>160173886
>is still as ever.
as great as ever*

>>160170384
After A Dance with Dragons was released GRRM said he would do anything to avoid doing that.

>>160173852
A couple years have probably passed.

>>160173852
>Schierke will always be perflat
>Guts will never acknowledge Schierke as a woman

>>160129345
I'd still ravage it til my dick fell off

>>160162019
Shut the fuck up.

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>>160133941
Not unprecedented.

>>160174391
And then he did that multiple times.

>>160174707
Pepe... nooooo!!!

>>160160441
George Martin is also actively helping the tv show writers shit on characters he created purely out of convenience.

>>160175552
Eh. GRRM only writes 1 episode a season, for like the first 3 seasons.

Now he's trying hard to avoid the show's work.

>>160175974
As he should. He said numerous times he hates fanfiction. Current GoT writing is below fanfic tier.

In fact, I am afraid for the day he publishes the next novel, because it will mark a beginning period of maybe ten years waiting for another one. Or his death, whichever comes first.

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>Zodd is the father of Guts
>Skull kight is the father of Griffith
Discuss

>>160177034
>Zodd is the father of Guts
Could be.
>Skull kight is the father of Griffith
Time to read again, Skull is 1000 years old, Griffith is 20 something and there's nothing hinting that ethereal beings can breed non-abominations.

>>160176679
After The Winds of Winter, he only has one more fucking book to write.

>>160177550
After the fan bitching after that one episode, /tv/ saw the writing on the wall. As far as books and comics go, it's not our place to tell the author how to write his story. It's just our place to bitch about our disappointment in some aspects of things we enjoy.

Would you guys hate if Miura decided to finish Berserk as a book? It could've some panels every couple of pages.

>>160177550
First he thought there'd be 3 books. Then 4. Then 5. Then 6. Now 7.

There are way too many plotlines to be wrapped up in 2,000 pages.

>>160176679
As of now he's aiming for a 2018/2019 release. It's funny because he's actually writing and publishing side-stories instead of focusing on his magnum opus.

Kinda like Miura with his Gigantomakhia.

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>>160178567
Depends. He still has 10 good years in him to illustrate the manga. Considering how the manga is 80% now right now, in 10 years it should be 90% done. If he's 60 and can't draw for shit any more, I'd take a light novel with traditional drawings like what he drew for the Grunbeld light novel

Does anyone have links for grunbeld's story

>>160127691
Jesus fuck, I'm just starting out myself and I already feel so much pressure between digital and traditional art. I can't do both all the fucking time you know? I have no fucking idea about coloring either and I feel so bored to read all the damn tutorials and still getting nothing done.

>>160179475
No-one's translating it, so it's useless.

>>160127691
>>160128082
>>160128717

Jesus Christ, I can't even draw but I could draw better than this.

This mangaka is just pathetic.

>>160179660
Keep practicing and you'll be better than Miura in a few months.

>>160127691
Dude that's creepy as fuck

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>>160128082
He seems to not have a clear understanding of color theory. Shadows are not just a darker shade of the same color. Big time amateur mistake. Also, he seems to struggle with the concept of the jaw having an under plane.

>>160181928

Can someone please post the webm of when Griffith fucks Charlotte in the updated anime? Her ass is literally best in Berserk universe

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>>160133249
That picture is composed to fit many characters without much regard to tying it into the environment. I think the main problem is that his dark areas are not dark enough and overal contrast between light and shadow is lower than it should be. Some parts have the exactly opposite problem like horse head and necks. There is also a bit of problem with saturation of colors in shadows. Puck is kinda badly rendered though. The horse and Puck are kinda deviantart tier paintings while the rest is kinda slightly better deviantart but still quite amateurish looking.

I think Miura could learn to paint if he wanted and had time to do that. But he works mainly with lineart since he draws mango. Also, his colored covers are not great either, it's just that his weaknesses are more visible on full digital painting than colored drawings done with pencils or pastels or whatever he is using.

There is also the thing about realistically rendering stylized art when the inhuman parts will start to look weirder and weirder the more realistic the rendering is.

>>160184474
>>160182627
Are we just finding out Miura is a shit artist? Wonder how he learned to draw, if he had a formal training at all. His anatomy and perspective seemed good enough, but it's quite possible he is self-taught and perhaps not as talented in some areas (such as color), but a real hard-worker.

>>160186429
His work on inking and line shadows/textures is impressive in its patience (he can make 'big' pictures, but rather not interesting ones), but he's no Takehiko Inoue.

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>>160127691
That owl though, it's actually great looking

>>160156273
Interesting, but wrong opinion!

>>160186577
Seems like he just makes up for his lack of fundamentals with autism.
It wouldn't surprise me if he has to redraw a panel a couple dozen times before it looks acceptable.

>>160186577
>He's no Takehiko Inoue
Damn right he's not, fuck tracing.

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>>160186429
He's definitely a hard worker. His best works are extremely detailed but

But yeah, his faces are kind of simplistic.

>>160127691
I like it

>>160127691
>>160128082
it's not going to be part of the manga, right? then he just needs to get good at it. it is pretty bland, his pen and ink stuff looks so much better.

>>160129018
Why we must suffer