Which translation subtitle do you believe is superior?

I have to wonder what failed writer thought the right was acceptable.

>>159957694
Kizumonogatari
>>159957684
Take a guess

>>159957579
Left is superior

Right is stupid

>>159957797
it's commie isn't it

>>159957579
Right because I have fucking ears.

>>159957892
nice try with the false flag.

Right is something normalfags would want.

>>159957579
Who did the right? Don't think I've seen that particular sub for Kizu 2 yet.

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>>159957910
you guessed it

thankfully most of you said left, and only two of you have autism

>>159957998
I wonder what zany memes they'll edit it into.

I'll take right. If you really want to know the exact play on words, you'll learn enough japanese to pick it up from the audio.

>>159957579
Right but with left as a tl note

I'll take the one that is actually a translation.

>>159958113
>>159958109
>>159958057
>>159957892
>>159957943
ah, so what you want is localization

meaning means nothing to you as long as it sounds good right?

no wonder commie isnt dead yet

>>159958137
Fuck off teen

>>159957579
Left is a translation
Right is a localization

>>159958181
>Left is a translation
Questionable.

>>159958203
No

>>159958160
and how the fuck does left have more meaning than right?

>>159958304
it gives you an understanding of the context in a show that is supremely esoteric in its japaneseness, rather than diminishing its flavor in a loose poor translation

>>159958304
It helps you learn moonrunes

>>159958160
You genuinely don't know what the term localization means, but that's not really surprising. You've never learned another language or worked in translation, you're just here for the memes

>>159957579
The left one is definitely better because it provides more information.

>>159958181
It literally is not a localization

ITT: people who post on /a/ have small vocabularies and the only mean word they know to make fun of subtitles is "localization."

>>159958498
Sure, rewrite is more accurate.

>>159958573
It is obviously an attempt to fully translate to English while maintaining the original's intent. Herkz is a fuckiing idiot, but I won't fault the translator for trying

>>159958498
>Changing a Japanese wordplay into an English wordplay
>Not a localization

>>159958664
That's correct. You literally do not know what the term localization means, because that's not even close.

>>159957579
For a single pun that's unrelated to the plot at hand, I'd rather take a very similar pun that works in English. This specific example though is shit since silliness and business don't rhyme. I remember one in Owari about knees that was fine.

>>159958708
Translating is a bitch. For this one I might have gone with "act" and "pact" but it'll never feel as natural as in jap

>>159957579
The right. If I wanted an untranslated anime I'd watch the raws.

>>159958684
localization makes things that are esoteric based on language and location and makes them not so

this is a modification of wordplay into something that "rhymes" in english; literal localization

>>159957579
>>159958181
>>159958664
>>159958684
Taking a similar example, like in Steins;Gate where the characters uses 2ch memes, while the sub "translates" them into 4chan memes, would it be considered a translation or a localization?

>>159958845
That's not a similar example at all.

>>159958803
The first half of your post is right, so you must have looked up the definition, and then proceeded to misunderstand it yet again. Localization is when the script is changed for cultural reasons, rather than a language barrier. "Jelly donuts" was localization. Attempting to maintain the fact that the original line was a pun is not. Next you'll say that translations of Dante's Inferno atttempting to maintain the increasing crudity of adjectives as he delves deeper into hell is localization

>>159958845
Not similar, yes a localization

>>159958859
But both are something that can only be fully understood in Japanese, but were changed in the English sub so it makes more sense for English speakers.

>>159958934
>But both are something that can only be fully understood in Japanese
They're not.

>>159958934
Nigga, you dumb

>>159958934
holy shit. i hope your just trolling and not this stupid

Herkz, I know it's you false-flagging to pretend that people who don't put up with your shitty memes are stupid nitpickers.

Hey herkz and commie niggers
There's only 2 genders, and Trump is a great guy

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>>159957579
Posting superior version

>>159959913
my fucking sides

>>159959876
>>159959727
im not herkz

>>159958304
Japanese inherently has more meaning than English can possibly convey.

You can literally hear the pun. It's not like you're going to watch the anime on mute because it's subbed.

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>commieshit
>in the year 2017
Why do this to yourself?

>>159957579
Right is really well done / creative. As someone who can understand 70% of what's said in anime though I'd rather see left as the translation.

>>159959913
Now you've done it.

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Which one /a/?

>>159960229
maybe, but you can't understand japanase anyways so why even point that?

>>159957579
left
>>159960443
right

>>159960443
They say almost the same thing though.

>herkz

>>159957579
right because it focuses on giving the same experience watching the show as someone who knows japanese would have. the left has more meaning, but the meaning loses its comedic timing and thus is pointless.

>>159960229
thats not even related. by that logic, both would be equally bad.

Has anyone else watched the Irrational Typesetting Wizardry sub of Noucome. that shit was gold. I'm surprise it's not more of a meme on this board.

>>159960443
Objectively it should say "Kore wa(This) ore no(my) Higi(secret technique) Jijo-Jibaku(Self-Flagellation) desu(is)"

>>159960443
If you google that technique,the first post is twitter. following the reply chain up to the original tweet by some ANN guy, you may spot someone familiar.
https://twitter.com/MichaelToole/status/473928023071145984

>>159960565
>right because it focuses on giving the same experience watching the show as someone who knows japanese would have.
>Line exists and works solely due to the fact that it's a pun
>Remove the wordplay and change it to what amounts to "No I'm serious"

>>159958478
>t.One of the idiots responsible for meme-worthy localization fails.

The one thing i hated about commie is the fact that they applied ye olde english subtitles to kagenui in tsukimonogatari
basically if """localization""" couldn't get any more tone deaf

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>>159960292
>Hadena
I haven't thought about their garbage in, like, five years.

Why did you make me remember? Why did you bring the pain to the surface again?

>>159960669
Daiz destroys that motherfucker. And I don't even like Daiz.

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oh boy i love localizations

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>>159957579
This is one of the rare cases where they actually almost made an equivalent pun in English, so I kind of give right a pass, even though the rhyming is terrible.

Compare this to Crunchyroll turning a gag in Sakura Quest specifically based around kanji written by Spanish people being turned into a misunderstanding about accidentally writing "peach" instead of "peace." That one did need the TL note, because translating it completely removed the original gag.

A deal is a deal arararararagi-kun!

>>159957579
I actually the right is pretty good, it's just missing the part where the words sound almost identical. It's about as good as you can get without going full tl note like the left.

>>159960928
>it's a phrase that people actually say
I don't know the context of this scene but nobody in their right mind says "my sides" at the start of a joke. That should come during or after they've laughed their ass off.

based commie fighting against the herkz tranny

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Would you translate moon incantations?

>>159957579
I prefer the left here.

>>159960443
They both kinda suck. Regardless of whether or not you want to translate it, there's no point having it in the dialogue subs and also on/above the kanji.
I'd take right over left just but also want to say that the "secret technique" part isn't actually in the red kanji but they printed it there anyway...

>>159961085
my sides is not a real life expression
it's what overly sensitive twitter girls say when someone makes "le epic roast!!111!!1XD" and its not even that funny

Left is really no better than a TL note. At least right tried something.
But most weeb prefer their anime to be translated almost word for word so they can pretend to know japanese.

>>159961186
I'm sure somewhere out there there is someone who says "my sides" in that kind of context, but either way it's not what the character said.

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I'd post the old Gundam screencaps that've got "who (dare) dares interrupt (jama suru) my taikanshiki (coronation)" and shit, if I could find them. I can't, so I'm just posting this one instead.

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>there are commie shills ITT right now

>>159961186
>my sides is not a real life expression
Yes, it is. Just because you or those you know have not lived in a place where it is spoken does not mean that it is not spoken. Does Patois not exist because you don't hear it regularly?

>>159961312
It does, but don't call it English.

>>159961333
That wasn't the direction of my point, and you knew that.

>>159961312
since when is "my sides" unironically brought up as response to a joke
i've just never heard it tb h and it sounds especially corny with all the twitter/instagram memes

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>He still calls the Eotens "titans"
What's your excuse

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>>159960805

Every translation thread is just the exact same screenshots with the exact same shitposts. Are we still going to be arguing about that one line in Amagi in a decade?

>>159961290
Not really that useful for them to be here either, considering /a/ will always swing towards being faithful to the original meaning within reason over blatant USification. Though I guess there could be some fence riders out there that are a step away from either becoming /a/utists or full blown normalfag retards.

>>159961186
I don't know about america, but I've heard that phrase here eveb in flipland

>>159961520
>flipland
Doesn't count. Flip English is mainly loanwords and the other half is just fucking memes.

>>159960984
The actual kanji on their shirts said "Safe birth" or something right? The peach thing is even more egregious, since in the episode before the one where they do the peace/peach explainer they translated the kanji on the shirts accurately as "Safe birth".

>>159961163
That's Sanskrit though, not moon. Also the shinto chants and incantations are always in Sanskrit.

>>159958775
I would have went with "It's not a joke, it's a toke*

*TL Note: Legalize It"

Ahhh much better.

>>159958478
I speak 4 languages and worked for 2 years as a translator. You're full of shit.

>>159961872
If you honestly think the left image of the OP is an acceptable translation then the only place you could find a job as a 'translator' is the local taco bell, Paco. Shut the fuck up.

>>159961872
I speak 6 languages and founded my own translation company. You're the one full of shit.

>>159958430
>>159960229
>>159958160
>ITT
>bunch of fucking weaboos
>Pandering the idea that ONLY MOON LANGUAGE CAN HAVE PUN

Both are perfectly acceptable ways, but from a fucking viewing standpoint, I don't need to fucking deconstruct every single fucking word and some (CONTEXT BUBBLES) to fucking get the idea behind a pun.

That being said, gr8 b8. Has triggered me.

>>159961939
Neither is an acceptable translation. Right is not a pun, left is awkward.

The correct way to translate it would be to use an annotation, so everyone who cares would pause and everyone else would continue reading the regular translation. This is how books have done it for ages, in my language at least - anime is not above that as a medium.

The "Keikaku means plan" shit was terrible yes and notes were definitely abused, but I think it's a fucking tragedy that they were phased out entirely.

>>159962055
>>159962051
>I say it's fine
>He says it's not.

Well, I lean towards what you feel, but I think they're both fine as subs, it gets the point across although badly. I do much prefer the right one over the left annotations in the middle of the fucking subs.

>>159962055
Books and anime are not the same medium at all, dumbass. You pace yourself when reading books, but when translating shows and movies you have to keep the show's pace in mind. Sure it's less of a problem today when everyone can pause everything in the middle, but relying on that is a lazy and terrible approach

>>159960443

>Godrobe Fresh Blood

>>159962055
How the fuck do you compare book translations to speech translations? My god, you're dumb.

>>159962138
Monogatari series specifically was meant to be watched with a finger on pause button.

>>159962138
>a lazy and terrible approach
It's because of people like you that we can't have good things.

So something is bad when it's abused and it's bad when pausing is not possible, so it should be avoided 100% of the time? Even in things like historical anime or anime specifically about Japanese culture where a note about something would be useful and informative?

>>159962225
Book translations > subs.
Subs are casual by definition so casual conventions can apply. It makes no sense to be MORE elitist than lit.

>>159957579
Business and silliness don't even rhyme because of the sound the i's make. If you can actually translate the pun well, then go for it, if not, then put a note. If you read a book in a foreign language that butchers ideas instead of having footnotes, then you're reading the retard version.

>inb4 the tranny complains about people not knowing moon
I know moon, and I translate stuff. Unlike commie, I can actually match tone and author intent without making shitty jokes and inserting speech patterns that don't exist. I've used localized puns and translators notes in the same episode before, because blanket rules instead of looking at lines on a case by case basis is fucking stupid.

>>159962278
If you're watching an historical anime and don't know who the characters are, that's your problem. The show itself assumes you know who they are, and the translator is not supposed to teach you that instead.

>>159957579
I don't remember any of this. I guess I watched with good subs?

>>159961258
The Gundam 00 movie joke subs?

>>159957579
Both have a place and are good in their own ways. The first explains the joke while it tells it, it might not be as funny this way but you fully understand what the character meant. The second just does its best to convert the joke into english but it might go over a lot of peoples heads due to language restrictions. It boils down to preference.

>>159957579
I'm not kidding, I'm bidding.

>>159962557
I don't know if they were jokes or not, but probably.

so what are the best subs for this?

>>159962987
Out of everything avalable, I watched first one with Bitv3, and second one with KizuSubs.

>>159962912
I think it's from the 00 movie but the in-universe movie of CB which was kind of a parody so the translators went with joke subs as well. The rest of the normal movie is translated normally.

>>159960443
The right, if just for the typesetting.

>>159960805
Log Horizon was fun with Hadena

>>159963059
Thanks senpai.

>>159957579
Left.

Whatever most of /a/ does not like is the right choice.

>>159962051
>a bunch of weeaboos
>watching anime
HOLY SHIT STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES HOW COULD THIS BE

>>159963180
Looking at them now I think I edited them to so some extent for some reason. Here just in case http://www107.zippyshare.com/v/VMFPXl3q/file.html

Oh, Anon-chan (an endearing honorific), omae (you) wa (topic particle) tottemo (very) omoshiroi (funny) hito (person) desu ne (mambo jambo)

>Heavenrend

>>159963457
It's great when people get to this point, because it's absolute proof that they don't know anything about what they're talking about.

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>>159963063
I searched through over 15,000 of my images in order to find what I was looking for.

Is this what you were talking about? Because this is what I was referring to.

>>159962051
>>159963362
>weeaboo
Fuck off, retards.

>>159963492
That's from Transformers. And that's Starscream.

>>159963479
Nod an argumend.

>>159963569
It's some sort of giant robot thing, so it's a Gundam to me.

>>159963457
You know that with subs you can make both of those be readable?

>>159963492
Those aren't joke subs, that's tv-nihon. They're worse than Hadena and also fucked up several other /m/ shows as well as early Gamecenter CX episodes.

Tactical did Laughing Matter / Business Matter which preserves the wordplay way better

>>159963624
That's actually pretty good.

>>159963610
That's not TV-nihon, that's otaking trying to make a point.

>>159963492
Nope. This is what I was talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEY2EcQeZY

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>>159962055
>notes were definitely abused

>>159963624
Tactical is a Commie in disguise.
>This isn't a laughing matter, Oshino.
>Not a laughing matter; but a business matter.
On the other hand
>This isn't a game, Oshino!
>It's no game. It's about gain.

>>159963706
But then you lose the kanji pun of equating 談 to "matter"

Learn some more moon

>>159963644
Ha, good stuff. I find it ironic that it's just about the same stuff as my image.

>>159963738
Does it matter?

>>159963756
Only if you actually care about translation quality and preserving the author's intent

>>159963785
Author intent was obviously to make a pun changing first syllable じ from to し and get different meaning that sounds almost the same.

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>>159957579
>if you know japanese you should know what this means

>>159963895
>syllable from じ to し

>>159963785
You're trying to convey something in appropriate fashion for an English audience, not replicating it. You carry the author's original intent far more nicely than simply making a stiff, literal interpretation. Most meaning is already lost in translation anyways, especially for something as dense as Monogatari. If you're so strict on preserving it, you learn Japanese.
The left would never see the light of day in a respectable translation, the right is just bad writing.

>>159957579
Left because I am not a retard that need everything catered to my culture.

No point in describing the pun to non-Japanese speakers if we simply don't get the pun. On the right at least it's a legitimate translation. On the left it's really just bashing us over the head with the fact that it's a pun even though we clearly understand that it is.

>>159957579
Depends on what I'm watching. If it's something rich with meaning I'd definitely prefer left, if it's some SoL comedy whatever I'd tend to the right.

>>159957579
left, because you can't always depend on the right's method to be on point

Who gives a fuck? Puns are awful in any language.

>>159957579
Right of course. Left shows how the translator was shit enough to not be able translate the pun. It's like "wew that's hard to find synonyms to fit the pun, gotta throw some moon here and there to back up my shit".

They're both kind of shit but I'd have to go with the one that at least made an effort.

Right it is.

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>>159964957

Any subs that use honorifics is automatically trash.

>I'd rather have you in a comatose state forever and ever than killing you
Is 3R a conservative?

>>159961380
I'm pretty late but when people around where I am laugh so hard their abs hurt they say "my sides" sometimes, but more often they're too busy laughing to talk

>>159957579
if you typeset kanji shown on screen there's no point in putting in it in subs too, that looks tl note tier obnoxious.

>>159957579
Back in the good old days it was fine because we would always have images like this for every title, now the problem is that you can only get 1 of them and that's saying a lot.

The solution is learning moonrunes for your hobby. But it's all perspective desu, I understand why people do not wat -kun and why people want -kun.

>>159957579
Left is objectively superior.
Translation notes are your friend.

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>people still support literal translations with interjections and translator's notes in fucking subtitling

>>159966380
>people still support RUBADUBDUB THANKS FOR THE GRUB

Both are fine, I'd prefer the right one in isolation because in this case it is accurate. That said many of the puns in this series are not translatable with this degree of accuracy, so in the context of the whole thing consistency is important and trying too hard to stick words that don't fit just so you can retain the pun in English is just annoying.

>>159957998
Imagine being so far gone that you write pretend-emoticons on Twitter instead of real words.

>>159960443
The thing that bugs me here is that Higi isn't even written on screen.