18if

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The fuck man.

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wow the edge.jpg

How the fuck was the second episode even worse than the first?

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>>159795537

>>159795407

Is he OK?

>>159795626
Its just a dream bro! _no.

>>159795626
It's daijoubu

>>159795601
>killing people in dreams that become reality isn't an issue
>but defending dumb murderers isn't either
Fuck this cat guy

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>>159795769
Chill out anon, take a seat. But yeah MUH MORALS, oh please.

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>DUDE I'M STILL FUCKING EVIL LMAO

>>159795240
Gonna watch this tonight tucked in bed; will discuss the episode tomorrow. Keep the thread alive till then! Bye.

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absolute madman

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>>159796076
MC is pretty hard.

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>>159795980
>thread alive tomorrow

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what the fuck is this show anymore

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>>159796283
Its gonna be weekly murderous bitches maybe.

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>>159796373
I didn't understand this part. Was it just him saying fuck the scientist dude's morals and killing these guys because they deserved it? How is him killing the guy different from letting the witch kill him? Were the scars on her wrist her attempting to kill herself in the dream world? Why?

Well this was an experience for sure.
The protag is definitely a break from the norm too.
What's with the girl now though? I kind of expected her to report herself to the police after waking up.

Christ 18if we get it you're willing to have your episodes be whatever you want was this really necessary

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>>159796466
>Was it just him saying fuck the scientist dude's morals and killing these guys because they deserved it?
Im gonna go with this.
>How is him killing the guy different from letting the witch kill him?
Him (mc) or the girl? I dont think the researcher was asking the mc to kill the kids.To appease the girl in some other way leaving the kids alive.
>Were the scars on her wrist her attempting to kill herself in the dream world? Why?
She had them on her wrist in the real world, pic related.

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>>159796681
Go big.

>>159796690
No, MC said that he killed the girl, not the witch, right at the very end of the ep.

>>159796755
No. What happened is that Lily asked him if he killed someone. And he said, yes. He was talking about the mastermind behind the witch's family's murder. He killed the guy. Why? He wanted to because the edgelord just pissed him off and deserved it.

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>>159796755
He said he killed a person, webm related.

I'm really enjoying this anime.
Unlike most anons I did like the first episode, but his one was even better.

>>159796901
>>159796935
Agh fuck my bad, I interpreted that as him saying he killed the guy, but the witch didn't.

Normally it's the audience's job to look at the victims and say that they don't deserve to be saved, not the main character's. I wonder where he'll go from here.

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>>159796665
Crazy motherfucker for sure.

>>159796979
There's not exactly a huge amount of competition so far, but it's the show I'm enjoying the most this season and are the most interested in. Hopefully it won't drop the ball.

>>159797009
>inb4 he commits genocide in a later episode

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Thats a lot of strawberry jam. Surprisingly the series doesnt censor much. I like that.

>>159797050
>moralfag researcher saves the day but her imouto is kill because she falls in love with mc and died protecting mc.

The witches design have that cute psycho look too, pretty good. See you anons next week.

Holy shit, MC is fucking hardcore

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>>159798242
I'm trying to think how many protagonists would not have done pic related and simply do what they were told.

>>159796283
The show is about Haruto, the protagonist. We have to infere who he is and what is his psychology by how he interacts with the witches.

>>159796466
>Was it just him saying fuck the scientist dude's morals and killing these guys because they deserved it?
On top of that the third attacked her in her own dream, turning her weapon against her, so he rescues her and prevented further murders.

All cat-sensei wants is the idea of killing people in their dreams to remain a secret, but MC trusts this witch to simply get her revenge and move on without sharing her ability. Haruto is right about this: once she got it she awakened immediately.

He evidently sympathizes with her in a way that goes beyond a mere hatred for three murderers or a disinterested, detached, scientific interest for the ability to kill people in one's/their dreams.

>>159796665
>I kind of expected her to report herself to the police after waking up.
>Yes, officer sir, I can kill people in their dreams! Totally!

>>159798296
>scientific curiosity
herp

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>>159798296
>He evidently sympathizes with her
in his own words...

>First witch was promised a date by MC
>Second witch's new dream is to meet MC
How big is this guy's harem going to be when he wakes up?

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Is this the Ranpo of this season?

>>159795240
>protagonist is straight up a murderer
I am now into this show

>when the beta looking MC dismembers criminals
Is this the most morally grounded show this season?

Well, well, well... the MC turned out to be badass. I completely agree with him.

God I love this mc

>jap legal system

kek, I'm sure you can genocide a town and they'll still give you 10 years cause you're a minor.

>>159799343
Was Ranpo really that bad?

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>mfw watching this

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>>159802090
So bad it was fun.

This ep kind of reminded me of Occultic;Nine and I'M A MINOR, YOU CAN'T ARREST ME.

>>159795240
Just started it. It's dangerously close to getting dropped, because "we need to save these vicious murderers and killing them would be bad" is a level of moralfag bullshit that I'm tired of dealing with.

>>159802208
Finish the episode before posting you dumbass.

>>159802147
It was missing the CARD FIGHT VANGUARD

nah, that catholic investigators is deader than this. i don't think i even saw a thread about it.

That head rolling and that ED were fucking nice

>>159802316
>before posting you dumbass.
Holy shit at least read more than 3 words

>>159802355
>Reply to a post about starting the episode by saying finish the episode before you post
So like maybe 1 or 2 extra chromosomes?

>>159802208
>>159802316
>Posts before finishing an episode
>posts before even finishing reading a post

You're an okay guy. Nah just kidding you're a fucking retard. But it's okay since you won't read this part.

>>159802489
You're one angry retard.

>>159799343
>Amazing OP
>No pandering characters
>Themes, style and narrative rarely ever seen in anime (I didn't see a single person that knew what the episode about the baby was about, of course you need to read at least one book to know what a farce with theatrical elements is)
>Characters with a personality that feel at least slightly real
>Reveals brainless anime posers, normalfags like you and the average 4chinner
Certainly feels that way. This and Youkoso are a blessing. I thought I wouldn't be able to watch a single show at normal speed this season. Also that ED was neat

>>159802676
>This and Youkoso
ma nigga

Well ok, Im Symphofag so I was safe from finding everything trash.

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>>159802676
>No pandering characters
I know Edogawa liked his shotas, but still.

>>159802058
It's fucking true. It's messed up beyond belief. It's how the entire girl in cement case happened. Those kids practically got off scott free because they were minors and the lead kid's dad had connections as well even though there were so many witnesses to the abuse. It's disgusting to think society can become that.

>>159802676
>I thought I wouldn't be able to watch a single show at normal speed this season
Friday is Bestday >>159802809

>>159795891
I can't help but feel that it would be nice to penetrate her from behind.

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>>159802676
>This and Youkoso are a blessing.
Is that show decent? It sounded like a typical harem LN so I passed on it.

>>159802954
I was really surprised there wasn't any rape involved in the crime to complete the circle of edge.

>>159802058
Happens here in Spain. Minors can get away with a lot of shit.
Minors' law is bullshit

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>>159802973
Its definitely not great from a plot perspective.
But somehow the first episode just managed to grab and keep my attention.

>>159802147
Because it happens. Might seem ridiculous, but it's not unrealistic

>potentially the most interesting anime of the season
>shoestring budget

why

>>159802292
This episode was actually deader than the catholic one, and there is a thread up right now

>>159803205
because gonzo

i doubt they're going to put any dosh into this after akiba strip sold about a fractale and a half

I just cannot believe that such shit quality animation is possible to be made in 2017.

>>159803293
You don't watch a lot of anime, do you?

>>159803205
I love the art style though.
It reminds me of Mawaru Penguindrum.

What is this?

>>159803293
Gonzo always finds a way.

the fuck was that
also was the ED always this hardcore?

I wonder whether the witches will meet MC in real life later or will all the episodes have the same system as the first two had.

>>159796665
>MCkun, we can't let her kill the men that brutally murdered her family in front of her!
>Sure we can
>In fact, I like her. I think I'll help her
That was unexpected, and very refreshing. I can't remember the last time an anime character just got retribution like that without becoming an edgelord so the author could jerk themselves off about how evil seeking revenge is.

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>>159803367
Gonzo saves anime once again.
>>159803456
New ED, I'm assuming the ED will change every ep, and seeing as the ED visuals are zero budget I am certain of it.

>>159803367
A colorful show influenced by Freudian-Jungian pychoanalysis, Lewis Carroll and Grimm fairy tales.

>>159803367
A shitty2deep4u anime that heavily relies on stilted storytelling and poorly written characters to push to plot forward at the cost of you and the entire audience's patience. So far the art direction is the only thing the show's got going for it, but I can already see that quickly deteriorating with this second episode.

>>159803532
Akiba was such a great show. Clearly winner for me in that season.

>>159802676
>Complain about pandering while in the same post talking about a show staring a smart and aloof MC who's too cool for school
Come on.

>>159803094
Jesus Christ, you took that show's plot straight? Are you okay?

MC is going to be the final boss, calling it

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>>159803634
Rakugo won over my brain, but Akiba absolutely won over my heart.

>>159803742
>MC wins
>World is markedly better
>Preachy faggot's head explodes

>>159800120
I've been waiting for an anime where people broke bad.
Everything in anime is too clean lately.

I'm in.

>>159802316
>gay chromosomes meme from certain e-celeb gay retards
out.

>>159803205
No way will this reach the typical anime market.
It would have to reach new grounds to sell anything.

>>159804108
>e-celeb gay retards
I have no idea what or who the fuck you're talking about, but the fact that you know anything at all about e-"celebs" means you need to leave.

>>159804108
Down's syndrome has existed before youtube anon. I'm surprised that you're stupid enough to reveal that you watch whatever the fuck you're talking about inbetween drooling and being unable to control your limbs properly.

>>159803293
it's been so fucking wooden from episode 1, it feels like it's been years since we've gotten this much pretension on budget this small

>>159804440
meant for
>>159803338
Now I'm confused with all the (You)s

>>159795240
Is this like an edgy Paprika or what?

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>>159803368
it's their unrivaled ability to combine design aesthetics (see pic) rarely ever seen even today with character design and lineart straight out of 2005

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>>159802090

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>>159795240
>Expect the mc to go along with the moralfag professor and try to stop the witch
>"Fuck that shit, nigga. I'm helping this chick get her revenge"
MC of the year

>>159805841
>In a show that cost less money than my dinner tonight, that will have less than a dozen people watching
Cruel fate.

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This guy is hilarious.

>Non-moralfag beta MC
I'll give it a few more eps. That shit is refreshing

mc harem grows stronger

>>159795240
>vr multimedia project
It was doomed from its conception

I love a series like this. Garbage but strangely entertaining at the same time.

>>159795980
nobody fucking cares you faggot.

>>159795980
Thanks for the update, liked commented and subscribed.

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>>159806948
And? I'm not seeing a single part of the money anywhere, so who fucking cares? As long as they are as good as this and Hamatora, they can sell five copies for all I'm concerned. Fuck off to your sale/studio circlerjerking threads with the Chitose retard

>>159808990
I'd like to have my favoured shows to get more recognition but I get your point.

The Kemono Friends of our generation

>>159809832
But this is actually good.

Well, that was unexpected development. Instead of preaching to the witch and making her stop he just crushed skulls.

Huh, the ED was edgy as shit, but I'll be damned if it isn't catchy

>>159799210
>when he wakes up?
A-Anon, I...

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was it rape?

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>>159811425
but KF is good too

>>159810760
>subs stopped at episode 37 but there's still like 22 episodes left for S1 and S2 is on episode 15 now.

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>>159802090
It had a fantastic hero that lived a hard life.

>>159814016
I was half expecting the cat to say that they raped her to death

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>>159814016
Just like one of my Fatalpulse doujins

>>159814016
Before or after her death? This is important.

>>159804108
You're like those faggots that go to reddit and then come back here to "warn us" about how reddit is behaving and "call out" other redditors.

>>159804352
Because they're banking on the game it's tying into to sell instead.

This anime is flip flappers for people with a mental age above 12

I personally enjoy it

But wait, is this horror or not though?

this is a good show and I approve of it. "gonzo is bad" is a meme. they've made more good shows than bad ones.

What the fuck, I'm surprised they're getting away with this level of gore on a TV anime

>>159817803
With a budget this low, they probably just don't give a shit.

>>159795240
>Haruto decides to help the witch kill the murderers
Welp, he just won me over. Now, I'll use his actual name out of respect.

I prefer the look of her witch avatar more than her real life version

> Main character thinks the revenge witch is cool
> Just casually murders the last guy
Something's wrong with this man.

>>159821081
He did the right thing though.

>>159821081
It's just a dream dude

>>159821124
In terms of ridding the world of an asshole who clearly had no regrets about the original murder, sure. But catman had a point, if the fact that killing in dreams can lead to the person dying in real life gets figured out out things are going to be fucked unless you can make a dream police force and dream jails.

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So is the silver haired witch the Professor's imouto?

>>159821409
Just get good a dreaming so that way you don't killed by rouge witches.

>Kemono Friends
>Frame Arms Girls
>18if

So 2017 is going to be the year of low budget, underhyped originals that saved the industry?

>>159821525
18if is probably going to flop, though.

>>159821551
Didn't the sales for KF and FAG flopped too though?

>>159821612
KF's book sales have been great and FAG is selling decently because of the bonus kits. KF fucking exploded in Japan anyway, even if the guidebooks/BDs hadn't sold well the merchandise opportunities are incredible right now.

>>159808990
No one cares if it's a 10k plus seller, but enough sales to recoup production costs and encourage more stuff like it (and maybe with a budget next time) would be nice.

>>159809832
Fucking idiot.

>>159815986
If this had the art style, animation and directing Flip Flappers had, it'd be AOTY.

>>159817673
It's about QUALITY, not quality.

This MC, what the fuck

>>159821525
KF is the only one low budget, the other ones would still cost 1 or 2 million $ to make.
The only thing that will save 18if is streaming sales and VR shilling.

I was going to drop this show but then it suddenly got super interesting.

What the hell is up with this MC, just casually plucks some dudes eyes out.

MC is based as fuck.

>>159821409
>if the fact that killing in dreams can lead to the person dying in real life gets figured out out things are going to be fucked
Think a bit harder. Thanks to him now no one gets to know that and saved countless lives in the process.

>>159795240
>MC doesn't give a shit about stupid morals
>gets a new girl every episode
>it's all happening in a dream
Is this perhaps the best way to get a harem ever?

I thought I would drop it soon but second ep was interesting
A shame threads will probably be shit.

mobage is a P&D rip off with Persona 5 art style rip off but some damn good music.

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>>159803491
Not even that long ago.

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>>159802090
All I really remember is that MC was cute and the ending was gay as fuck.

am i the only one who enjoys the first episode and absolutely hates the second? it turned into a complete edgefest.

>>159832441
I haven't seen the second yet, but I liked it in the first that actually no one died. The sudden change might not like for me.

>>159832441
Justice! Simple as.

so this show is just a nightmare on elm street the anime?

I can't wait for the next episode to just be a normal romcom thing now that everyone's in the mood for an edgefest.

>>159832769
I'm expecting the tone of every episode to be completely different, I'll be surprised if we get another episode as brutal as this. Or if we do, it won't be gory like this was.

>>159832441
>>159832769
I think it was announced this series supposedly will have different director for each episode.

>>159832631
I think every episode will be somewhat different.

In this episode, protagonist not-Tohru Adachi helps a girl kill people she don't like in her dreams to get over her trauma of having witnessed her family's gruesome murder.

I wonder what next episode's trauma will be.

How likely is the chance that Lily is Yurika?

>>159833716
pretty high

>>159810760
>>159814025
Wasn't [HS] releasing it? Did CR just give up? Maybe one of the PC/Aikatsu/Doremi subbers would pick it up.

>>159833831
CR was never doing it. We got fansubs for 37 episodes and then they stopped.

First episode's director was Satoshi Toba.

This week's director is listed as Kyousuke Suzuki on the homepage of 18if. But I can't find any information about an anime director with that name, only a voice actor, and the last kanji in the given name is different from the one for the director.
Might it actually be Kaoru Suzuki, and they just misspelled it?

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And here's the professor's mobage design.

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I do wonder if that chick's gonna appear in the anime as well.

I disagree that the MC is 'badass'. He's an average guy character who feels like he doesn't have any power. So far he's just marveled at the witches doing stuff and asking questions. He wasn't considering 'morality' because he's pure ego. He's doing whatever he wants, he's probably not even fully processing his actions.
Watch him wake up in a few episodes and be disgusted at what he did or something.

>>159834335
One has to consider that the strong emotions and personality of the witches (and perhaps the victims as well) might actually influence his behavior.
He did mention that he could feel the anger and fear of the Witch of Anger Mana Hayashida.

>>159834335
Also his answer to everything is "lol its just a dream".

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Crawling

>>159834521
She was an edgy emo and then her family got murdered.
She'd have probably grown out of her edgy teenage phase if not for the brutal murder of her entire family infront of her eyes, and that's what she's talking about.

>it's not moral to kill them even though they deserve it oh they were minors at the time too so lets drop it all together
>mc will now have to spend the episode to fight the vengeful witch from bringing justice to those pieces of shit protected by retarded nip laws
Fucking dropped right there. I'm sick of this retarded collectivist conformist holier than thou boot licking retarded bearing the unbearable suicidal logic. Mad. I'm fucking mad and its making me mad.

>>159834584
Anon. In this thread are only people who actually watched the episode, not people who just skim through a thread to try to belong in a sekrit klub.

>>159834584
Yeah we both know that you didn't drop it and you're saying something stupid on purpose

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Can't wait what next week brings.

>>159830796
I haven't watched anything past A's because of all the horrible things I heard, although I need to watch Strikers this week because I'm seeing Reflection next weekend, and I'm sure some of that shit will be referenced.

>>159833594
>kill people she don't like
Way to downplay it like they were even close to innocent and she (and MC) were any way in the wrong.

this is some crazy shit

It's shit, right?

>>159835445
The animation? Yeah. Everything else? No. The MC? Best this season.

>>159834674
Strikers is the high point of the franchise, don't watch vivid and vivid strike though.

>>159836429
Strikers is the low point of the entire franchise. Only shitting dick nipple suckers would claim the opposite.

Vivid is good if you can accept that they are it turned into a sports anime instead of magical girls fighting enemies.

>>159814619
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I know the presentation isn't good but I unironically find this interesting. I am more rooting for Cat/Science-kun and his sister though, I wonder who or what MC is.
It seems like he isn't a real person, considering that he also never wakes up. Hell, considering how crazy this show is I wouldn't wonder if Lily was actually Cat-Guy's sleeping sister and that MC is just some split personality part of him. Lily always calls him "brother" anyway and Cat-Guy is the only non-witch who ever talked with MC.

>>159837234
Pretty nice twist if his research into the dream world stuff actually made his older laid back nature to be "discarded" onto the dream world due to his excessive journey there and the dream world magic'd shit up and made an oc.

>>159803532
I remember that I already noticed these animated background vs real background thingies when I was 5 or something and this is an even worse case than some of the shitty cartoons I watched back then.

>>159832441
Seems like every episode will have a different director and style so I guess ep 3 will be kinda different in tone from this one again. Only crazy MC will probably still be crazy because to him everything is "just a dream" I kinda like it.

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>>159836429
>Strikers is the high point of the franchise
No.

>>159837851
I remember it on a lot of Loony Toons stuff where you could tell what rock was going to break or where someone was going to fall through the floor. Never knew what it was until I got so engrossed in anime that I started learning about how it was made.

I like this MC.
Nip shit taste will cause it to flop for certain.

>>159839578
It's a mobage advert. They seldom sell at all. Not that it really matters, as those types of shows aren't meant to have a sequel, so it selling well or not likely won't make a difference now.
Let's just see how deep the rabbit hole this will take us.

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aaaaaand dropped

>>159840850
Morals are nothing but made up rules. 50years ago it was immoral to be gay, 100years ago it was immoral to give women the same rights as men, 200years ago it was immoral to not be Christian. Is killing a murderer realy that immoral?

>>159840987
>Is killing a murderer realy that immoral?
Nope. Clearest cut case of violating the NAP that there is. Don't let any leafs or faggy Europeans tell you otherwise.

>>159840987
what's wrong in having some set of rules?

>Is killing a murderer realy that immoral?
yep.
>murderer kills
>you kill murderer
>now you're murderer
>someone kills you
>someone becomes murderer
etc

>>159841140
Population control? Seems pretty moral to me.

>>159840987
Try reading up on the categorical imperative.
It gives you an approach to define morals independent of societal norms.

>>159841167
Population control is the opposite of being moral.

>>159841140
There is a gigantic difference between killing out of spit/enjoyment and doing so as a generally acknowledged form of punishment.

>>159840987
I'm not gonna really defend the three murderers, since we as viewers know that those three are complete psychopaths, but in theory, they did serve their sentences.
The problem is that those three psycho-dudes got away very easily, being treated as minors when they butchered the family of edge-witch.

Had they been adults, they would most likely have gotten the death penalty, which I do believe is still a thing in Japan.

>>159841228
I disagree.

>>159841252
yes, but it still makes you murderer. or not? maybe thief? or burglar?

>>159841140
>Unprovoked act of violence versus provoked act of violence
If you pretend that difference doesn't exist, you're either an amazing troll or an amazing retard.

>>159841373
>taking someone's life versus taking someone's life
i see no difference here

>>159841510
Let me explain how fucking stupid trying to strip the situation of context is.
>Doctor amputates infected leg to save a patient
>Criminal cuts someones leg off to torture them
Both are just cutting someone's leg off. There's no difference.

>>159841571
are you retarded? you really think that was good analogy?

>>159841692
>Taking someone's leg versus taking someone's leg
I see no difference here.