What proof is there that he wasn't lying about entropy?

His trustworthy face.

The show didn't invent entropy.

>>159794252
I'm pretty sure the universe isn't at risk my man

>>159794276
The universe is slowly dying to entropy though.

>>159794276
It's not an immediate risk.
Did you really not get it?

>>159794642
lel tits

>>159794209
He wasn't lying about entropy, but he was using it as an excuse to turn humans into batteries.

>>159795841
>implying that's not what we deserve

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>>159796063
You're a heartless monster if you think these sweethearts deserve such a fate.

>>159795841
>humans
Only girls.

>>159796464
I see a thief, a slut, a sexual deviant, a girl with a messiah complex and a manipulative bitch.

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>>159796520
one of these is not like the others

>>159796464
Mami deserves worse

>>159794209
It doesn't matter, it is not meant to be a relatable thing, it is a shitty attempt at making their objective to be "beyond mankind's comprehension" so that the human viewer feels small (you would still be living in caves, you are cattle.). It fails because it is retarded and even the show later makes QB step down.

>>159796911
U wot? It's a perfectly valid and relatable endeavor, you're just dumb and have no understanding/interest in the laws of nature.
I bet you think when Asimov wrote his story centered about this very same topic he was just some edgelord or something.

>>159797017
>Comparing a novel writer to a dude that has even made an eroge
Yeah, no.

>>159797099
That's some nice fallacious arguing there. Well done.

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>>159794209
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>>159797017
see >>159797436

>>159797524
Never quote me again.

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>>159797589
Why?

>>159794209
He never lied about anything.
There were some times when he didn't mention an inconvenient (for him and his goal) truth or withheld important info but he never outright lied.

>>159797670
>He never lied about anything.
OP is asking if you have any proof or if you are just asserting that.

>>159794209
Their universe is quite like ours and it's alive.
That alone should be enough proof for entropy.

>>159797708
Proof of entropy is not sufficient proof that what they are doing is meaningful.

>>159797740
Or even that they are doing it at all.

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>>159797099
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>>159797758
see >>159797445

>>159797740
>>159797691
More specifically, even if we accept that entropy exist we still need proof that turning adolescent girls into liches/magical monsters somehow generates excess energy to offset entropy.
For what we know the Incubators might have made all that shit up and emotional energy was just a gourmet delicacy to them.

>>159797809
From what we know about entropy, adding energy to a system only accelerates entropy.

>>159797740
That's not what the OP asked.
Are you OP and did you want to ask if he was lying about his plan to fight entropy?

>>159794276

Here's the thing. It's literally only a problem for immortal races.

Most races don't give a shit because they'll die off sooner

>>159797844
What QB stated about entropy was that it would destroy the universe unless the incubators fought it. So the activity of the incubators is linked to the whole thing, and to ignore it would make the whole argument pointless.

>>159797848
Immortal races will also die out before our universe dies.

>>159797939
Immortals cannot die.

>>159798024
From your limited mortal perspective, maybe.
But the very fact that they are experiencing as much time as the universe has left and changing throughout the entire time, means that whatever they are now, will bear no semblance to what they will be at the end of that time.

>>159797809
>>159797915
It's the premise of the show.
The ultimate greater good that's put in conflict with the suffering of the few needed to achieve it.
If you deny that QB is fighting entropy then he and his race becomes a bunch of petty child abusers and killers.

>>159798088
>It's the premise of the show.
No, it's a random claim at the side. No one other than the Incubators gives a flying fuck about it. Madoka cares more about girls being able to fulfill their own wishes and about humanity's progress.
>If you deny that QB is fighting entropy then he and his race becomes a bunch of petty child abusers and killers.
So that's your only reason for assuming he's telling the truth?
I hope that works out for me as well if I ever get arrested for something.

And who says that fighting entropy is the only thing you can use energy for?
We use lots of energy in our everyday lives, and we are constantly on the lookout for new and cheap sources of energy.
The incubators may just have realized that little girls are the perfect powerplants.

>>159797740
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>>159797809
I don't think you quite get the concept.
The increase in entropy as a result of irreversible processes are a natural law of the universe.
How whatever the kyus do with what they get relates exactly to decreasing entropy, or if their real goal are just the wishes themselves (as those clearly could fix the problem) is never explained. However, not giving a 2 hour lecture on the details of Kyubey science, is not lying.

>>159798263
>How whatever the kyus do
>How
Or *if*.

>>159794209
proof is that he is extremely cute

Kyuubey is not lying about entropy and he is not lying about his motivations. He is part of a (probably) immortal species that wants a sustainable energy source for their civilization that counteracts entropy. They found this in human souls, which create energy by feeling emotion. They harvest this energy using the magical girl system and grief seeds.

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>>159798685
fug forgot pic

>>159798730
what the fuck did they do to him?

>>159798750
loli beam i suppose

>>159798718
How do you know he is not lying in regards to his "saving the universe" goal? As far as we know, there is no way to reverse the total entropy of a system, and so either we humans don't know everything about termodynamics, or he's just lying. In either case we have no guarantee.

>>159798859
>As far as we know,
Hahahahahahahahahah.
See this is the total bullshit part.
Some lesser being that crawled out of his cave few thousand years ago flaunts his ignorance and tries to challenge knowledge of space race capable of harnessing Universe-changing power.

>>159798975
Go to bed Kyubey. You are drunk.

>>159798859
>As far as we know, there is no way to reverse the total entropy of a system
Homu does it repeteadly.

>>159798162
>No, it's a random claim at the side.
That's bullshit and you know it.
Again, it doesn't make sense whatsoever from the storytelling viewpoint to make Incubators just a bunch of lying parasite bad guys.
>No one other than the Incubators gives a flying fuck about it.
No shit Sherlock. No one else than Incubators can actually grasp the bigger picture.
>Madoka cares more about girls being able to fulfill their own wishes and about humanity's progress.
Same reason as above + the part about QB being an uncaring asshole with his 'pump and dump' method.
Notice that Madoka didn't stop Incubators from gathering energy they need, they just do it at slower pace with less harm done to the girls.
>So that's your only reason for assuming he's telling the truth?
Could you actually offer even a shred of evidence to the contrary?
Your whole reasoning seems to be 'you can't prove he is doing it therefore he must be lying, and explanations in show don't count because I said so despite QB never actually told a lie' which is kind of wonky.

>>159799316
>Could you actually offer even a shred of evidence to the contrary?
Can't prove a negative. Burden of proof is on 9B.
>explanations in show don't count
No, that's not put forth as an argument at all. But if you think a conversation is proof of anything other than that conversation, then you're stupid. We're asking if he's lying. Taking him by his word is the most retarded kind of response to that you can think of.
I'm not even saying he must be lying though.
>Again, it doesn't make sense whatsoever from the storytelling viewpoint to make Incubators just a bunch of lying parasite bad guys.
So that remains your only argument. And I even agree with you. I don't think Urobutcher wrote this thinking that the Kyubeys were liars.
But that's not what the thread is about. This thread is about canon evidence. Not what would make sense from a narrative point of view. And there is a difference.

>>159799030
Not without reversing time.

>>159794276
It is though, my dude. We will inevitably reach the heat death of the universe in which all molecular motion stops, thus effectively ending existence. Kyubey was trying to prevent that.

>>159794209
I still hold to the belief that this is all taking place in one of Rick Sanchez's car batteries.

>>159794209
He can literally eat him self with 0 shits given. What reason does he have to lie?

>>159798859
As far as we know there are no magical girls who fight witches.
It's an anime, retard.

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>>159801649
>As far as we know there are no magical girls who fight witches.

Fuck this gay earth. Im leaving.

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>>159801842

Heat death isn't even a certainty.

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The worst characters are Madoka and Sayaka. Mami is a piece of shit. Homura is alright and Kyouko is the best.

>>159794276
Retard. Are you 10yo?

>>159802788
That feels like it is true.

>>159798533
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>>159797524

Haven't been here for 3 weeks, the fuck is this cancerous shit? Lawnchair?

>>159805707
Yes

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>>159797621
Who are the lucky couple into roleplay? Can I have an invite to the wedding, I'm always down for free cake and alcohol - and hangovers in the confessional are the only things that stop the nightmares.

>>159797795
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>>159798533
I love tripnamefags, but I really don't like this Madoka person too much. But seriously
>>159807603
when's the super gay wedding?

>>159794209
Are the QBs even capable of lying?

>>159807801
>lies of omission ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. QB is Satan

>>159807887
They never speak falsehoods if given direct questions. At most, they're extreme rules lawyers about what constitutes a "direct" question so that they can withhold as much inconvenient info as possible. But because of that, when they freely admit that their master plan involves fighting entropy with girl suffering, they're in all likelihood telling the truth.

>>159808016
>They never speak falsehoods if given direct questions.
How do you know that?

>>159808103
Because it literally never happens in any material within the franchise, so if your argument is based on "well they could possibly maybe do this that's never been demonstrated," it has very little merit. Discussions about media are based on the affirmitive -- only accept what is shown or stated explicit as canon, and discard hypotheticals as headcanon until shown otherwise. This is done because creators who don't have an autistic obsession with including all facets of irrelevant detail into their settings (see: George Lucas, Chris-chan) leave things to common sense that the viewer is meant to infer.

>>159794209
Dark energy is much more of an existential risk that workable energy running out. Throw shit into tiny black holes and it comes out as nice hawking radiation and you can easily do this process for quadrillions of years.

What would happen if the general public became aware of the existence of magical girls and witches?

>>159808726
Mass panic. Witches can't be seen.

>>159809964
You again, when will you I don't know I don't really care about you enough to make threats

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>>159794209
Reminder that there's a magical girl/witch who legit believes Kyubey did nothing wrong.

>>159810639
Why should you care about me?

>>159798730
When does this game even come out?

>>159794276
The universe isn't at risk, it will eventually be reborn, existing life is at risk though.

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>>159807887
Reminder that QB deliberately misleads even when asked a direct question

>>159812444
I thought it was supposed to be this month

>>159812901
what the FUCK is his problem

>>159813020
He's got a fucking quota man.
You don't want to be on the bad side of the QB supervisor

>>159813569
His quota got an entire planet killed multiple times. Everyone likes to forget he completely drops us the second it is filled, to die.

>>159813763
Whats a planet ecosystem worth when the entire lifespawn of the rest of the universe is saved when destroyed

>>159813823
Whoa there Charles Dickens

>>159813903
What's the rest of the universe worth if there's nothing to care about the rest of the universe?

What would you wish for?

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>>159814112
Once entropy is slain the QBs can go around creating new, better life

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best

>>159812901
He's like a lawyer, he answered truthfully. Now if the question was "Where do witches come from?" he'd have a much harder time dancing around the issue.

>>159814632
>He's like a lawyer
He deserves to burn then.

>>159814466
> when you fuck the universe so hard even the incubators start panicking

>>159805707
Aye. You can always tell when Lawnchair is here. He only makes posts regarding poor Apple.

>>159809964
Magical girls can tell them their locations.

>>159814823
It is their fault.

>>159817979
Homura was the reason Rebellion even happened in the first place.

>>159819408
The Incubators were the ones who decided to fuck with the system which had been working perfectly fine for thousands of years

>>159819408
She needed to save Madoka.

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>>159819483
Screw the incubators.

>>159794209
why does it cares? magical girls get their powers for their own benefits

MADOMAMI

>>159820616
Do really you think Madoka went through all the trouble to get Homura out of that incubator contraption and not have a plan to deal with them? Madoka had everything under control.
>>159819483
Homura should have been smart and not tell the creatures hellbent on efficiency a theory about making things more efficient.

>>159797670
lying by omission is a thing anon.

>>159797924
Who did this!?

Which one are you dead motherfuckers just did this shit!?

>>159826054
Lawnchair did it. He's forcing Madoka to take hundreds of pictures for him to avatarfag with.

>>159797670
Every other Urobuchi Gen character who claimed to be completely objective was lying, why should we assume QB is any different.

>>159826293
Kyubey technically isn't lying, but he is using the entropy argument as an excuse to use girls' souls as batteries.
>Every other Urobuchi Gen character who claimed to be completely objective was lying
That doesn't matter. Madoka Magica is not Urobuchi's other shows.

>>159823555
Don't forget to kill yourself, and that you are cancer no matter where you are, and you make every thread worse just for being in it.