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Muv-Luv Alternative Manga Epilogue Translation

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So here's Kasumi's speech, translated by Evan of AlternativeProjects:

>January 1st, 2049
>Historical Yokohama Base Space Port
>Operation Cherry Blossom Victory Commemoration Plaza
>United Mankind, Founding Commissioner, Yashiro Kasumi
>(or One Humanity Project, Mankind Unification Society, whatever.)

>Forty-eight years have passed since the destruction of the Original Hive.
>As I stand before you now, here on these hallowed grounds where the Noble Seven and I first launched the Kashgar offensive, words cannot express how grateful I am to have lived >to see this auspicious day.
>Until now, the course of human history has swung like a pendulum between unification and dissolution.
>Times of peace give rise to distrust and strife among brothers, before inevitably dragging us back into the throes of war.
>But when confronted with such atrocities, we have proven time and time again our capacity to come together as a species and find common ground in our desire to restore peace and order to the world.
>It is a tragic cycle, the repetition of which is an innate propensity of our human nature…

>But we did not break out of this cycle through our own intellect, no — it took the invasion of an extraterrestrial race, the BETA, to compel us to change.
>In the face of an insurmountable evil that showed no capacity for negotiation, mankind was driven to the edge of extinction in the blink of an eye.
>But after a decades-long struggle and billions upon billions of sacrifices, the Noble Seven gave their lives to buy our species a few more decades of survival.
>However, even after eradicating the BETA from our solar system and enjoying the recent prosperity that the G-Elements harvested from the Martian hives have allowed, we still >have yet to truly come together as a unified people. Instead, we have chosen to engage in fruitless intraspecies conflicts, and we continue to teeter on the verge of self-annihilation.
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>>159678791
Our national, organizational, individual, racial, ethnic, and religious ties…
Organic, genetically enhanced, artificial, or synthetic life…
Our materialistic gains, those triumphs we’ve seized from the jaws of adversity… the will we’ve inherited from our predecessors.
Our stubborn beliefs and refusal to let go of our vested interests are our greatest weaknesses, and have led us to falsely believe the vile notion that dividing ourselves from our brethren is, in fact, the proper way of being.

But five years ago, our entire body of delegates gathered in one room and finally came to an agreement that this infighting must come to an end.
They each acknowledged these weaknesses, and decided to take the first steps on the road to coexistence and mutual prosperity by accepting one another’s differences and abolishing identity politics.
We mustn’t forget, however, that there are still many who cry out in opposition to coexistence, and would sooner take up arms against us than join our cause.
But we will accept their viewpoints as equally valid nonetheless.
We must tolerate our differences… No matter how deep-seated our prejudices, we will move past them.
Because that is the decision we have come to, of our own volition…

And as we speak, our young warriors are about to embark on yet another perilous journey.
Their mission is of critical importance: to set off for the Siliconian homeworld, and make it known that mankind is indeed a valid form of life.
Yes, this endeavor may ultimately lead us into an interstellar war.
And to be sure, we could just as easily shirk away from that danger and continue to wait with bated breath, as we always have…
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>>159678817
But the decision has already been made - humanity must start moving forward.
Never again can we allow ourselves to commit the folly of entrusting our fate to the whims of others or to starry-eyed optimism.
True peace and prosperity can only be obtained by those who would rise up to claim it for themselves.
We have chosen to overcome our petty rivalries and coexist as equals… There is no reason we cannot do the same with them.
I have every confidence in that.

Go now, brave youths.
We entrust in you our sincerest aspirations, as a callow species that for so long could do nothing but fight amongst ourselves.
We entrust in you the future that all our fallen comrades so dreamed of.
May your journey lay the foundation for a universe in which all living creatures can live together in harmony…

(new scene, alone in field, to herself)

I’ll never forget you all…
Who you were, and what you left behind…
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Additionally, there's more. Introducing Yuuki, Yuuko's daughter from 2017 and only person capable of trolling the great Sensei.

結城優子の登場だぁぁぁぁ!!!
イラストは我らがバカ王子ペルシャだぁぁぁぁ!!!

それではプロフィールのご紹介!

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「オルタ世界」の人間で超天才的頭脳の持ち主。
可愛い顔をしているが性格は凶暴なライオン。 大空寺あゆといい勝負かもしれない。
ロリータ服を着ているのは、夕呼の趣味らしい。

とある事情により、基地内に事実上幽閉されるような形で生活していた。


Introducing Yuuko Yuuki. Well, her only real name is Yuuki. Her family name is kept secret so she uses Yuuko's name as surname.
A human with the super genius intellect of "Alt(ernative)'s World", this sugest not Alternative timeline but that she's from parallel world SF girls and MC comes from.
She has a pretty/cute face, but her personality is that of a ferocious lion. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I see. She might be a good pair with Daikuuji Ayu.
It would seem that she wears gothic lolita dresses as a hobby.
Has thus far, been confined in the base away from others due to unknown circumstances but fled at the end and causes tons of mischief for Yuuko.
This chapter 23 is pretty much just hide and seek with Squad C trying to find her. After they succeed, scene leads to Yuuko trying to pull the whole parental routine on her, but it works just as well as you'd think (imagine your reaction to getting scolded by a much younger, less motherly alternate reality version of your Mom). She says that Yuuko is her mom and Yuuko says she's her daughter but nothing specific beyond that. Next chapter should be the explanation about who she really is.
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>>159678976
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Rumor via Zero (Chinese guy responsible for dumping SM and translating it into Chinese back in the day; also, many of his spoilers about SM were validated) about the next EF:

>Just from a private talk,in May Yosimune went to Shanghai,and he had a dinner with Chinese text translation team.He talked about a summery for next VN.

>In following VN,Katia got mentally disabled after being trapped by politicals who objected her idea,Theo found no methods to cure her.He needed a new one to take the place of Katia,and put his eyes on Ilfriede.After several months Theo who saved many people sixteen years ago started to save refugees by dirty methods.

So if this is true, Theo's looking to transform Ilfie into the next Katia (which lines up with his creepy monologue after seeing her in the Martyrs epilogue). Looks like Ilfie is going to get hit HARD by the character development hammer.
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>>159679169
And that's all I got for now.
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>>159678791
Hasn't it been almost 50 years? Kasumi should be nearing her sixties. Holy shit the little bunny is well preserved.
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>>159679325
They have cloning and life extension in the future.
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>>159679325
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>>159680012
>Bou's art actually gets good after Alternative
>stops drawing for age VNs
What a damn waste.
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>>159680236
I always liked his Yuuko and Marimo though. He still can't compete with Carnelian though.
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Oh shit.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-07-11/avex-pictures-acquires-muv-luv-game-maker-ixtl/.118665
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>>159679169

>Katia now literally retarded
>Theo turning more and more into the Master
>follows the established timeline and turns the moderate "victory" more and more into ashes

Checkmate animeonlies.
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>>159678976
Yuuko's daughter really likes her ribbons.

Also, happy Birthday Gretel!
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>>159679169
>>159681129
>Katia got mindfucked by the Party politburo

I bet Gretel was behind it
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>>159681129
>>159681341
Uh, the spoilers also said that Theo saved many people with his actions, so that would seem to validate the rebellion and destruction of Beatrix's plan.
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>>159681370
He is no savior, his talents lie elsewhere
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>>159678976
Why does her head look like a penis?
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>>159681370

>rebel government falls apart, loses its figurehead
>Theo slowly turns into the Master and Allegiance is born
>Europe falls faster per Bake The Enemies

kek
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>>159681341
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>>159679169
>implying Theo didn't marry this after freeing Germany from Beatrix's grasps
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>>159682536
>its just another of Katia's delusional dreams

poerty
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>>159682536
They probably had sweaty victory sex afterwards, anon.
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>>159682536
>>159682841

>hfw oniichan engages in bestiality with a literally retarded pomeranian
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>>159682949
Hey, don't call Iris a dog.
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>>159683013
She's talking about Katya.
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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI
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>>159683252
Nobody. The NVA is a failed state both in ML and RL.
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Time traveling wolf.
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>>159678791
>>159678867
>>159678817
>they actually think humanity united won't stagnate, falter, and die
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>>159683349
Farka is wonderful.
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>>159683373
Why go to war when you have nearly limitless energy from G-Reactors, can live forever, and have aliens that you could fight instead?
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>>159678976
>>159679028
Who is the father? Takeru?

Was it from a timeline where drunken sex happened?
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>>159683349
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>>159683659
If she was born from Yuuko's womb, she'd most likely be from Extra circa 2017. So that'd mean that Extraverse Yuuko was inseminated sometime around 2001.
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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzcU0wsKac
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Kyoko's kyokos.

http://imgur.com/a/PrTKY
http://imgur.com/a/a4ZvO
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>>159684571
>That clothing shop
>That space yamada
Give me more Shimako!
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>>159680857
>Carnelian
Art is shit.
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>>159685218
But she gave us Beatrix, Lise, Iris, and Theo.
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>>159685019
Too bad. Have another of Yui's dead friends.
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>>159685273
Shouldn't Iris be whiter than Beatrix?
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Why the fuck is the steam release taking so long? I want to reread it already.
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>>159682137
Was it rape?
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>>159682604
Proof?
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>>159685990
They were showing off Alternative at a recent anime expo
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Same question from /m/, but, how would you have rewritten Schwarzesmarken to improve its quality and better reflect the themes and qualities of the Trilogy (specifically, Alternative)?

Some of the answers, just for comparison to /a/:

Kill Lise off. Give more of her traits to Katia. Make Theo not a fucking idiot with a blind hate boner and realize Beatrix is right and join her. He convinces Iris Beatrix's way is right. Beatrix lives. Theo and Iris get together and Katia becomes his surrogate imouto.


Basically Lise route where Theo opts to save in the name of tru luv and where Axmann is the more fitting personal villain for Theo to confront at the end. Give Iris and Beatrix a fitting one on one confrontation and end it with either one defeating the other or finding a middle ground they can work through together after reconciling.


Get rid of Lise, give Katia her personality. This makes the whole imouto connection more apparent and deeper. Get rid of Axmann, and roll his traits into Beatrix; have her responsible for Theo's capture and interrogation and his family's death. This would actually justify his hate of her, give him more skin in the game and conflict, and make the final arc where she's his main opponent all around better. Make it more obvious that the rebels are fighting to join with the West against the BETA, and are the rational ones while the stasi are roadblocking them because they're afraid that contact with the Western values will encourage their citizens to revolt. Actually elaborate on Iris's and Katia's methods/plans rather than infer that it'll just be better. I know it'll be better, but they barely touch on what their end goal is or how they want to achieve it, instead focusing on how bad the stasi are to justify the heroes. Also, don't make Theo so obsessive about Iris. He starts off as somewhat intelligent and pragmatic, but gets really stupid once he starts falling in love with Iris.
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>>159678976
Would you fuck Yuuko's progeny?

http://i.imgur.com/5FiAUTX.jpg
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>>159686587
>ピアティフ

Kinda upset her first scene is yuri.
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Katia NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>159686376
>all the ideas to make Schwarzesmarken better whether favoring the rebels or stasi include either making Lise the main heroine instead of Katia or turn Katia into Lise with her traits and character/personality.
Well I suppose its true.

>>15681272
You're not really killing Lise off you're giving her more of the spotlight by turning Katia into her. In addition to that especially if you're going with a stasi victory and Beatrix being right it gives Katia even less reason to exist as a separate character given what she represents.

>>15681372
Same here, you're more getting rid of Katia rather than Lise in that scenario and effectively giving Lise Katia's role in the plot.
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>>159679325

Brains in jars, etc.
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Holy shit
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>>159679169
>I think this is just a summary or an early version script.But my friend thought this may be a version which is nearly completed.Well,let us wait.
Eh, it could literally be one possibility among multiple possible directions they might take the story. It also sounds terrible and I highly doubt they'd reveal the entire plot with its crucial elements this far in advance and this is how we find out about it. Whether he's bullshitting intentionally or otherwise about the rest I agree with him about waiting and seeing what really happens.
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>>159688191
I know. Personally, I hope that they keep the hopeful, high note SM ended on, not try to subvert. Sure, bad things happen later, but show the rebellion to have been what was most moral and good for the world. Put to rest these endless debates we have about ideals. Even if Theo becomes the Master, just let the final events of SM. with Katia's rousing speech, the people taking to the street, and Beatrix and her stasi ideals being cast down be unequivocally good, a last light shining in the darkness.
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159688592
>this fucking post
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Happy birthday Gretel!
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>>159678791
>But after a decades-long struggle and billions upon billions of sacrifices, the Noble Seven gave their lives to buy our species a few more decades of survival.
>However, even after eradicating the BETA from our solar system and enjoying the recent prosperity that the G-Elements harvested from the Martian hives have allowed
Holy shit it only took them 4 decades? God damn I thought it'd take them that long for the Moon but Mars too? Go Earth.
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Irisdina is my angel.
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>>159691076
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>>159691076
>>159692428
>tfw Katia was right and everything worked out
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>>159692459
It only worked because of Takeru.
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>>159678791
>>As I stand before you now, here on these hallowed grounds where the Noble Seven and I first launched the Kashgar offensive, words cannot express how grateful I am to have lived to see this auspicious day.
>tfw their sacrifice is not in vain
Truly making their death count
This is a good ending
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so are we expecting new MUVLUV in space now?
But with this time fanatical war against the BETA?
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>>159692752
If the siliconians turn out to be a race of immortal lolis I'm switching sides tbqh
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>>159678791
>still nearly flat as a board
life must be hard for Kasumi
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I wonder if Kasumi was ever fighting in the front lines after Ouka.
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I don't get it weren't the eurofront girls still lolis when sm was happening? when is this new game supposed to take place?
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>>159693140
'90s.
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>>159693437
is that before the original eurofront game? I like ef but hate sm so I don't want it to be ruined with stupid sm shit.
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>>159692494
And Sumika, don't forget her. Without Sumika, no Takeru.
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>>159693575
Right right, my bad.
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>>159693080
Very unlikely. As the sole 'survivor' of Ouka she has immense value as a symbolic hero.
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>>159693621
But what if she wanted to fight?
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>>159693536
Too bad, you are getting JK eurofronts and Theo turned master.
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>>159693640
From everything we've seen, Kasumi is not a fighter like Takeru, Meiya, or Eishi in general were. She realizes her limitations and even laments about it, I doubt she would waste Takeru's "gift" by charging headlong into battle.
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>>159678817
>mutual prosperity by accepting one another’s differences and abolishing identity politics.
What did they mean by this?
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>>159678867
>Never again can we allow ourselves to commit the folly of entrusting our fate to the whims of others or to starry-eyed optimism.

Oh, burn. BURN!
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>>159694431
SJWs get BTFO in the Muv Luv timeline
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>>159694566
Beatrix reminds me of Velvet
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I just finished the part where Takeru returns to the Beta world after running away because of Marimo's death. Damn this whole part fucked with me. Anyways how much longer is the VN and what's the next thing in the franchise I should get into after Alternative?
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>>159694830
There's Sadogashima, Yokohama, and Ouka arcs left to play for you in MLA so about a third?
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>>159694830
You are probably around halfway done, give or take a few percent.
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>>159694830
You still have story left. After Alternative you could do TDA and watch the anime spinoffs if you're interested.
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Kinda interesting they didn't lead into Takeru waking up with Meiya and Sumika. Maybe an extra chapter?
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>>159681094
Byebye new JAM Project soundtracks.
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>>159688592
>being this much of a moderatski izrode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-mYg5VDzQ
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>>159694566
Well, that's why Schwarzesmarken is it's own thing. It subverts a lot of what Muv-Luv is about. It's the pragmatic utilitarian who is shown to be evil and wrong, while the good guys are people willing to be compassionate and actually have hope. It actually makes the story more grey, by showing that Yuuko's way can be wrong in the hands of another person.
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>>159685990
My uncle who works at Degica said that they're putting in some extra scenes from the manga adaptation. But seriously, even if it's pretty much out of the question I'd still love it if they did that.
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>>159695602
>who is shown to be evil and wrong,
Not at all, nobody in-story has any counterargument to Beatrix's plan, they simply dismiss it on the basis of her occupation. And that extends into the meta. The only counter ever given is that its heartless and evil, based on her attributes, and most of the time not even on those, not on the plan itself.
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>>159695983
Just coming in now, but I didn't read nor watch SM. What was Beatrix trying to accomplish and what was her plan?
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>>159696035
She was trying to become dictator of the DDR and initiate a rule of terror through her stasi. Once the BETA fucked them up, she then planned to throw them under the bus and flee to Australia with Axmann and a couple of her other followers. Basically, what any tinpot dictator would do.
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>>159696083
Wait so why do people defend her then? Did she at least have a good reason?
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>>159696115
Not really. She says she does, but all of her actions and actual plans are pretty much the opposite. To me, she was just in it because she got off on power and terrorizing people. And they defend her because she's the hottest girl in and out of story and voiced by Yukarin.
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>>159696083
>She was trying to become dictator of the DDR and initiate a rule of terror through her stasi. Once the BETA fucked them up, she then planned to throw them under the bus and flee to Australia with Axmann and a couple of her other followers. Basically, what any tinpot dictator would do.
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>>159696175
I see so thinking with their dicks. I'm glad MLAfags aren't like this and all are patricians who know Marimo is the hottest girl.
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>>159696083
>>159696175
>lying on the internet

>>159696115
>being fooled on the internet
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>>159696232
>>159696286
Then what's the truth?
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>>159696308
Removing the communists from power, putting someone competent and willing to work with the west in charge, merging the Stasi and NVA and fully mobilizing the country to fight the BETA.
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>>159696495
>Removing the communists from power,
Fucking capitalist pig.
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>>159696511
Found the moderate. How is that Ersatzstasi you guys created working out for you?
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>>159696308
Basically this
>>159696495
Communist might not be the most accurate word, but she wanted to remove the corrupt government and direct the full attention of the country to fighting BETA. Also to evacuate the rest of Europe since East Germany isn't going to hold forever even with western help, she wants to use East Germany to buy as much time as possible.
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>>159696308
The anime version is straight up evil, no excuses.

The VN version is much more like Yuuko if Marimo had betrayed her and gotten her lover killed. Unlike the anime version, who's defeated because her evilness made her do stupid shit, the VN version loses in most of the routes because her conscience wins out and she does the selfless or altruistic thing instead of the pragmatic, which allows the 666th to kill her. Here's her plan, abridged. It's actually a pretty lengthy scene in the VN
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>>159696724
>The VN version is much more like Yuuko if Marimo had betrayed her and gotten her lover killed.
So what you're telling me is that the blond one is a cunt?
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>>159696724
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>>159696755
No, she made mistakes and ended up being forced into it. Beatrix is actually more angry about Irisdina abandoning her to the stasi. Jurgen's death was terrible and fucked her up, but Beatrix could understand Iris's predicament and forgive her for that (and kinda did in one of the routes). You also have to understand that the thing Beatrix respects more than anything is loyalty, and the thing she hates above all else is traitors.
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>>159696755
They're both main heroines. Iris of SM, and Beatrix of BiS. It's kinda complicated because both of them are amazing, yet incredibly flawed women. Iris can be pretty morally dubious, like the time she handed over Lise to be tortured/raped/mindbroken for information, or the other time she caused a crap ton of collateral when she ordered an artillery bombardment on Beatrix. Still, that's small fries compared to the shit Beatrix gets up to.

At the same time though, Iris is surrounded by friends who'd die for her in an environment where she can be a good person, while Beatrix was forced into a place where she's alone and showing her good side or true face could mean death.
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>>159683373
What is his motivations, anyways?
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>>159681341
Da, a world of hope needs strong power, comrade.
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>>159696035
>Wait so why do people defend her then? Did she at least have a good reason?
>And that extends into the meta. The only counter ever given is that its heartless and evil, based on her attributes, and most of the time not even on those, not on the plan itself.
you literally got bondoozled lmao
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>mfw all that sneaky foreshadowing in extra
>mfw I have no face
Fuck you age.
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>>159701808
The seemingly random questions Yuuko gave the class were the best bit of foreshadowing.
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>>159683252
I NVA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWaOybLNXk
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TDA anime fucking when?
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>>159686587
Yuuko's daughter? is lewd. Lewd!
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>>159686587
>oppai loli
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>>159678791
>She is still alive in 2049
Thanks god
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>>159678976
>>159707945
Assuming Takeru is the father, being conceived in December 2001 and born at term in September 2002, she would theoretically be 15 in 2017.
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>>159695457
OJ KATIA KATIA
MODERATE DEGENERATE
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>>159683916
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>>159710806
>"IJA" School
>commies
Whut.
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Crazy girl leglocks.
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>>159711791
Don't stick your dick in crazy
Don't stick your dick in crazy
Stick your dick in crazy
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>>159712371
What if crazy sticks your dick in her?
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>>159712371
>Stick your dick in crazy
This, with some skill you can fuck the crazy out of her.
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>>159712507
That never works, unless by dick you mean a CIWS.
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>>159710806
Whats going on here
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>>159712507
BiS Beatrix is dead by the time SM starts.
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Will someone pick up the manga now?
I wanted to read it for some time.
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>>159686376
I think it's okay as is. They could have done more to incorporate Requiem into the VN though, but I like the VN's ambiguity and tonal consistency. The goodguys aren't so good and the badguys can be noble at times, rather than how over the top or inconsistent the LN could be (like Beatrix unloading her guns on Theo even though they were surrounded by apartments full of civilians and cackling at the damage and Theo's restraint). Really, it's the anime that probably needs to be rewritten, not the VN.
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>>159716999
There is someone translating the manga, they're just really slow.
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How come it took ten years for Alt manga to finish? Did they add scenes that weren't in the VN?
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>>159720270
Yes. Also because it's monthly and it took breaks.
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>>159711791
You were expecting anything different?
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>>159678791
Thanks Evan.
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>>159712507
If Jurgen was put into the same situation as Theo, where he had to choose between his sister and his lover, who'd he choose?
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>>159722628
Why choose either one when you can get both. Getting both Irisdina and Beatrix is the superior choice.
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>>159723591
It's not like Theo really had that option. Then again, I think Jurgen's choices were better than Theo's.
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>>159722628
>same situation as Theo, where he had to choose between his sister and his lover
Thats the same person
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>>159725180
Disgusting. Muv Luv is the one place where incest is not okay.
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>>159725209
>incest
Theo is adopted.
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>>159725255
>NBR
Somehow that's even worse.
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>>159725180
And yet, even in Lise's route, he still thinks of Iris as the girl of his dreams. Funny that Theo can never have her though.
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>>159725335
>incest is bad
>non incest is bad too
Okay little buddy
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>>159725180
>>159725352
Does Lise still die in the VN?
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>>159725335
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>>159725382
Two out of three of the times, yes. The only two people who die in every single route are Beatrix and Axmann. Everyone else survives in at least one of the routes. However, Katia's route is the "true" one, and both Lise and Iris die in them.
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>>159725352
>"Didn't I promise you? When I said I would be with you forever I meant it"

>From the first day we met, I had hoped it would be so

>Without having to say a word, those feelings we shared without ever having to confirm it

>Even without making that vow, we were... in love with each other. I should have said so...

>"If you die, I can not live. Please, don't do it."

>Thats how it is... even if we have to leave the whole world behind

>"Don't cry like that... because I will always be with you"
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>>159725352
>Lise
>best personality
>cute/good looks

>Iris
>right behind Lise on personality
>sexy/ drop dead gorgeous
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>>159725491
Wasn't Katia's route the one that the anime adapted.
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>>159695602
I honestly find myself a lot more of a SM fan than a MuvLuv fan. Yes, I dislike the naive leftist multicultural optimism that characterizes MuvLuv.
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>>159695602
Actually, I'd like to add to what >>159727783 said and say that I dislike the moral relativism in the main series too. SM shows a very black and white story. The villains don't joke around, and the heroes are people you want to emulate. You know who deserves happiness and who deserves to die painfully. Too often, the left muddles things in the real world, confusing things and preventing anything from getting done. There is always a right and wrong choice, a good and bad side. You just need to look for it.
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>>159728080
Literally the only reason Katia ''fails'' is because the plot from the moronic globalist Kouki himself screeches that nationalism is not allowed to enjoy lasting victory.
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>>159728080
How does it make you feel that Kasumi's united world optimism won in the end?
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>>159728174
It's more unrealistic than aliens invading or magic ESPer russians, and falls apart under any actual scrutiny or thought.
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>>159728221
I'm glad you don't like it commie shit.
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>>159728272
>you call me the commie for objecting to a plot about "oy vey we must destroy borders to stop the aliens!"
You keep drinking that koolaid, pal.
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>>159728161
But Katia succeeded. She managed to salvage as much as possible from the shit situation East Germany was in. If Beatrix had won, many more would have died for no real gain. At least under Katia, some survived.
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>>159728080
Moral relativism is one of the great evils of modern society.
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>>159708534
Yuuko has some pretty good genes then.
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>>159728328
Hence the quotes. I refer to the failure of securing a lasting peace and then the meta-narrative essentially jumping to preaching the supposed necessity of obliterating borders and blind globalist worship as the only means of stopping the alien invasion.
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>>159728544
They swapped to a unified Earth because different nations kept on warring and ethnically cleansing one another, even using G-Element weapons, which dropped human numbers back to the darkest days of the BETA. People around the world, especially those who'd been in the UN Military, saw this as ridiculous. Also, it'd be retarded to have the Russians, Americans, Chinese, and Euros each trying to come to their own separate peace with the Siliconians.
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>>159728783
It could be argued that warfare, especially the type that are carried out with the intent of exterminating other races/nationalities, is good for humanity as it pushes people to compete, and clears away those who cannot. Look at how WWII brought about a new era. Our current stagnation is from lack of warfare and lack of competition. The world could use another global war to rejuvenate it. Nothing motivates the human spirit more then the thrill of killing and the fear of death. All other activities are but a poor distraction to this ultimate human purpose.
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>>159728976
I think you might be a legitimate retard.
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>>159728080
>and the heroes are people you want to emulate.

>people who sell out their families
>commies
>naive spoiled brats
>paranoid idiots
>hypocrites

>There is always a right and wrong choice, a good and bad side. You just need to look for it.
This however I can support.

>>159728161
>>159728328
>>159728544
Except you are confusing Katia's one goal, "lets all work together and things will get better" is not really worth calling Ideals, with Iris' almost idiotic East German patriotism. By the standards set by what Katia believed, humanity's situation at 2049 is beyond ideal.
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>>159729663
>By the standards set by what Katia believed, humanity's situation at 2049 is beyond ideal.

Wouldn't it reflect more of Beatrix's ideals.
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>>159730062
You know that both of them overlap quite a bit. And that Beatrix considered those developments impossible. It fits Katia's beliefs better, if only because her dream was simple and "pure", while Beatrix had a whole other number of convictions that don't seem to fit what happened in the end.
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>>159730950
But then you have
>Never again can we allow ourselves to commit the folly of entrusting our fate to the whims of others or to starry-eyed optimism.

>We entrust in you our sincerest aspirations, as a callow species that for so long could do nothing but fight amongst ourselves.

Which is something Katia would never say.
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>>159730950
It was more like it'd be impossible unless mankind is strongarmed into it, which basically is what happened according to Kasumi's speech.

Still, Beatrix was probably wrong, Iris the most wrong, and Katia the most right in the end.
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>>159729059
>people complain about regular/general thread
>when it's not, Katiafags, shitters, Sumikafags, and other assorted trash swarm

Why be surprised?
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Ironically, TDA in a way also has a variant of global government, since most are gone or aren't in contact, and so most countries representatives left agree to join America, and some of the Euro remnants in Canada join Canada, or rather France, since French elements seem to have taken over Canada.

Senator Ikaruga when?
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>>159734092
>Senator
You mean Vice-President Ikaruga.
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>>159681094

AVEX has a habit of not releasing their stuff outside of Japan. Assuming that Alternative Project wont get back on their horse since they have job opportunities now, it looks like the end for english translated Muv Luv.
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>>159686255

Went there on day 1 and the guy looked and was clueless about MLA. He seemed like some middle management guy that got stuck at a con.
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Yui, Inia, Cryska and Irisdina are my waifus. I'm also going to take home Beatrix, Stella and Matika.
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>>159736216
Newtype Ghosts don't deserve love.
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>>159737666
Cryska is precious and deserves all the love.
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>>159736216
>>159738230
I'll take these two to a new planet and populate it with both of them.
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>>159738290
Hands off. They are mine.
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>>159734194
We can only go on up from here.

I would unironically vote for him. Speaking of that, for anyone who played TDA, what's the context exactly? I haven't really heard of his political ambitions since only recently. And isn't Japan memed into being separate somehow anyways? How is he gonna run?

Is he just trying to simply gain power for himself? For Japan as a whole, subvert within? Or are rumors true that he's been a crypto American believer in his heart? Something else true? All of it true?
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>>159736216
When will it end? How many houses do you have spare to burn down anyways?
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>>159742725
Never. Love is forever.
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Stop fapping to dead slavs.
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>>159734194
>this look when engaging

The BETA don't stand a chance. And that's POTUS Ikaruga to you. Well that or President Bridges.
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>>159678791
So they exterminatus mars from the orbit or what? Didn't know Alternative side story progressed to 2050 and Sol System BETA purging
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Can't they just hurl some asteroids at Mars?
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>>159745129
Well not Exterminatus, but something close to planetary glassing apparently. Or at least it looked like a wide swathe. Then again, be aware that the Kashgar Hive, the biggest on Earth, is a level 5 or so. Most of the SMALLER hives on Mars are that size. The biggest I think is 9.

I still think it was sort of a mistake to do such far flung future stuff this early. Can only see retcons down the line.
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>>159746281

It IS a nice butt, no?
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>>159746281
She's about the other side.

Just how many girls does Theo stuff his face into their chest and cry?
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>>159734459
Avex has done stuff for ML before though, this probably won't make any difference to the status quo of things.
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>>159743693
I love Inia!
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>>159711791
>clothes still on
Post the good stuff.
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>>159743693
Every single picture of that bear is in the same exact pose
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>>159748211
Its why I had it commissioned
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