Will Ikuhara ever be able to top Utena?

Yes, considering he already did.

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>implying he hasn't already

Probably not but it's nice to see him try

>>159479470
>>159479570
>people actually believe this
Utena is his greatest achievement.

Sailor Moon S was better to begin with. That, he'll never top

No.

>>159479402
Not this late in the game, no.

>>159481031
>implying
The key to his success is long hiatuses in between projects.

>>159481064
He started working on Utena right after finishing Sailor Moon and has only ever made garbage since.

>>159481160
>Sailor Moon
Doesn't really count thought considering it wasn't his original IP.

poseurs get out of /a/

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>>159479402
>[autistic dyke noises]

>>159479402
He already did at least 2 times

>>159481976
Nah just once.

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>>159482829
>>159481976
Neither of them surpassed Utena though.

His work in Sailor Moon S is a classic.
Utena was a 10, setting the standard higher.
Mawaru was a masterpiece, a solid 9.
YKA was an 8, peaking at ep.4.

That's the trend. He needs lots of episodes to deliver, in my opinion.

>>159479402
what books should i read before starting with this show and how pretentious is it ?

>>159484750
throw away your books, go out in the streets

>>159484750
Judging by your post I'd say you should skip on Utena, you're clearly way too intelligent for it and have better things to do with your time.

>>159484750
The only book that I have heard it draws from is Demian.

Probably an 8 or 9 on the pretentious scale, shit like Nanami episodes prevents it from getting too up there.

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>>159479570

Have a (you), you've earned it.

The only way Yuri Kuma could have been better is if Lulu survived for an eternity of lesbian threeways in bear paradise.

>>159479402
I am doubtful

Utena Is terrible

>>159479402
Utena tv > Penguindrum > Utena Movie (though best visuals) > Sailor Moon > Yuri Kuma

>>159488520
Agreed, nice taste

Evidently not as every single production after Utena has been either an attempt to match it or original failures.

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Link when?

>>159479402
How did that nigga not get his hand cut? That chin's sharper than nippon katana.

He would need to reunite Be-Papas to do that

>>159479402
Will this medium?

>>159484750

>books

Utena pulls a lot from Demian, but if you really want to "get" Ikuhara, go watch a bunch of Terayama films and listen to J.A. Seazer's discography

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThQ8kQHEyg

>>159484750
Knowing about shoujo manga is also nice.

penguindrum wins by having cute penguins

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Links fucking when?

>>159489101
absolutely never

>>159489162
Nevermind, found this on Ohtori Academy (Utena forum)
http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/677756/バルバラ矮星子黙示録─アルセノテリュス絶対復活光とオルフェウス絶対冥府闇─.rar

Also, wasn't the manga supposed to get a new chapter in July?

>Japanese bootleg Twin Peaks

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>>159479402
>Improving on the greatest anime ever made.
Impossible.
Who would pay him to anyway? I don't remember Yurikuma doing all that well.

utena is truly the evangelion of the madoka genre

>>159489379
They're NOTHING alike. Although Iku does admire David Lynch.

>>159489480
You're right, Utena didn't feature cherry pie.

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>>159489609
wow photo bucket is shit.

>>159489448
>madoka genre
Utena came before and Madoka is literally the poor man's Utena.

>>159489826
i am memeing bro

>>159489826
no it didnt

>>159489826
Madoka haslike nothing to do with Utena

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>>159479402
What are the best minor characters and why is it these guys?
Worst is Chuchu

>>159490093
>Worst is Chuchu
Take that back, NOW!

>>159490093
I like that scene in the final(?) episode when they get rejected by Nanami's crew.

>>159479402
Already did with Yurikuma

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>>159490162
I will. But first, come here, anon.

>>159489989
You didn't watched the show then. Hell, Shinbou even worked on Utena. The influence is clear, especially the end of both series.

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>>159490195
I don't recall this, only them winning over and over again.

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>>159490234
>come here, anon.
Stay away from me!

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>>159489567
But it had nice pink salmon sandwich with mayonnaise overflowing out.

>>159490260
>especially the end of both series
literally how

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>>159490306
I found it, but only in gif form sadly.

>>159479470
>>159479570
>

>>159480400
he just directed some sailor moon, he didn't compose the series like with utena, mawaru and yka. crediting him with anything sailor moon is asinine.

>>159490371
Stop that

>>159490371
>>159490460
do you guys think her pubes are pink too

>>159490624
I mean her eyebrows are pink, so I assume

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>>159490260
Even if you could argue that there's some overlap between people who've worked with Ikuhara and also worked with Shaft (like pic related), any similarities between Meguka and Utena are superficial motifs or homages at best, much like the rest of that trainwreck of a mahou shoujo

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>>159490405

>>159490705
nice, saved. thanks anon.

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>>159490624
Why would you think about this? That was exactly the point of her character until it was ruined, that you didn't need to consider stuff like this. This is one of the few shows where in the course of a couple episodes you go from loving it to feeling sick in the stomach. The only reason I even finished it and didn't drop it outright is because it's an anime classic - if an anime with similar elements were made today (it wouldn't be, certainly not three cours) and in digital, I wouldn't have continued. Not to mention the shitposting would be unbearable.

>>159490374
Are you joking now? Both end with the sacrifice of the protagonist with overly explicit Christian symbology.
And even before, they both draw from fairy tales the same kind of elements (witches, princesses) to narrate about the loss of innocence.
Of course Utena is a masterpiece and Madoka is dogshit, but denying they share many traits is silly.

>>159490915
Utena did not end with the sacrifice of the protagonist

>>159491004
Yes it did, exactly like Penguindrum and Yurikuma. Have you even watched it?

>>159490624
i bet she has a really pink butthole too

>>159490260
>Shinbou even worked on Utena
He did not.

>>159490093
Shit taste, really.

mawaru wins because of ost alone

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What did he mean by this?

>>159479402
He did with Mawaru Penguindrum.

Is he still writing that novel with Asumiko drawings?

>>159489238
Can you reupload this on zippyshare? Please.

>>159493286
It's gonna take a while, but okay.

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>>159493829
Thank you, anon.

>>159493907
Sorry, but I'll have to upload on mega since Zippyshare limit size to upload is 200mb.

>>159494053
Ok

>>159493829

sankyu acchan

>>159494053
moitoring this thread

>>159484222
I can agree with that.

Ikuhara's style depends on him having a ton of episodes to work with so he can flesh out all the characters individually. That and no corporate meddling.

>>159494725
so no new project in the horizon

>>159494725
Utena had a significant amount of filler though.

How's his work on Sailor Moon? I'm seriously thinking on watching just because of him.

>>159495006
It was good filler most of the time.

>>159495006
Stuff with character development isn't filler.

>>159495080
I really don't think Nanami's egg/that curry episode had character development in it, albeit I still enjoyed them.

>>159495055
It's incredible how an anime with basically the same structure all episodes can be so good.

>>159495055
It's literally becomes a great series when he takes over.

>>159495124
>>159495139
Ok then. I just need to prepare myself to see the shittier episodes until he takes over.

>>159495106
The curry episode shows that Anthy is a manipulative troll and the egg episode shows that Nanami is sheltered, but also a good person deep down.

>>159495340
I thought the egg episode was about teen pregnancy and having a sexual life at young age.

>>159495563
It was, but it shows us a totally different side of Nanami when she starts to behave in a motherly way.

>>159494469
>>159494497
>>159493907
Here's the link:
https://mega.nz/#!psxjQTbL!Xs-z3a16BJl5UzdV7U_ZMsyQ1vKDPzbWxy3hB7p4Ej8

>>159495704
Thanks anon.

>>159495186
I mean if you skip the filler, SM isn't that bad even. Just kind of repetitive.

>>159495704
tanks bro

But utena is shit and ikuhara is a hack...?

>>159479402
Utena is so beautiful

I'm currently working on a video essay for Utena about what the color yellow symbolizes, It's about thirty minutes long. Is that something anyone would be interested in or should I make a text version instead?

And also would you guys say Utena is a critique of other shoujo shows and manga? I'm unfamiliar with the genre but it seems like it very well could be.

>>159495917
>>159490895

>>159496047
I would say go for the video essay. Visuals are incredibly important in utena, so it would benefit more from a video than text.

>>159496359
I could have pictures in the essay but I see your point. I find video essays more engaging anyway and I already have the audio done. Just means more work for me since I haven't edited anything before.

>>159496047
I'm not yet finished with it but it does seem like it wants to subvert some the common conventions of the genre, most that came all the way from the classic princess fairy tales with the "female prince" thing, the mysterious attractive older guy who sweeps the heroine off her feet, the meek and sweet girl who takes abuse with a smile on her face and never loses hope, class S stuff, etc
Though it also seems to take inspiration from some older shoujo, maybe it's just me but I guess I see some RoV influence in it?

>>159496865
>maybe it's just me but I guess I see some RoV influence in it?
no shit sherlock, what gave it away?

YKA is not good and it makes me angry that people like it.

>>159496959
I'm sorry Anon, I've never seen RoV so I've only been able to compare it superficially

>>159497003
poseur

>>159496865
Additionally, Ohtori Gakuen is heavily inspired by the campus in Onii-sama e.

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>>159491004
The ending of Utena left me a bit befuddled, to be honest. I enjoyed the show and consider it very good, if not one of my personal favorites, but the ending felt very strange to me.

Obviously its open to interpretation, but it certainly looked like what happened in the end is that Utena just simply failed in her attempt to save Anthy and died as a result. To have the series end on such a dour note threw me for a loop. I've tried to ponder why this was and what the ending could really mean for some time since, though I admit I don't remember everything that happened.

From what I recall, according to Anthy, Utena didn't die and instead "escaped" or "awoke" from the reality they all were trapped in, which I suppose lines up with the earlier motivations of the Student Council to "Break the Shell of the World" but I guess I just don't really understand how exactly she accomplished this. She didn't seem to come to any sort of revelation or self-epiphany, she just refused to give up and kept fighting against impossible odds.

But she'd been doing that the whole series, more or less, overcoming the odds and overcoming each challenge with sheer grit and determination. But there at the end, it seemed all her determination was for nothing. She failed to save Anthy and then got impaled.

How does this equate to her awakening, though?

>>159497188
>But there at the end, it seemed all her determination was for nothing.
She made Anthy realize that she can have a choice of her own. Which, as she follows in the ending breaks the cycle of The Dueling Game, this in the end she did success in her revolution.

>>159497153
Haven't seen the anime for that one either but I read the manga like more than a decade ago, so I only remember the whole campus being catty bitches, incestuous lesbians or junkie lesbians. I think they also had a exclusive rose society or some shit? I guess I can see the similarities. I also remember the "and they both died, the end"

>>159497569
Ah, and I've just realized both Oniisama e and RoV are Ryoko Ikeda works
>guess ive got brain problems.jpg

>>159497188
>>159497188
Utena failed to rescue Anthy because you can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship by force. Ultimately all Utena could do was meet Anthy on equal ground, it was up to Anthy to leave on her own.

Utena is dejected because she couldn't be the Prince she thought she was. She thought when Anthy fell that she had failed which is why the swords attack her because she is still judging herself by the world's standards.

When everyone forgets her it implies she has left the system because everyone would hate her if she was actually impaled by the swords of hatred. When she leaves the system everyone forgets her just like Mikage in S2.

Anthy goes to find Utena at the end just like Utena went to find her Prince at the start of the show, in my view to let Utena know that she hadn't failed and that Anthy had left Akio. The bookend of leaving to find your Prince is a revolution because it puts the audience back at the beginning like the rotation of a wheel.

I love this show and the ending is 10/10 in my opinion, though I agree it's confusing.

>>159497188

She didn't fail. She 'died' but also ascended beyond the adolescent world of princesses and princes.

She gained the power to revolutionize the world. In the very last scenes Anthy finally left Akio to go look for Utena, breaking the manipulation Akio had over Anthy. Ohtori is not the world; it is a play world with Akio playing at a prince.

When Anthy leaves, there's no more dueling game. Akio loses his way to try to regain his "Dios" self by proxy (both through the dueling game and fucking teenagers). It's over. It may have looked like she died, but Utena wrecked Akio's shit. Akio only had 'power' because he had anthy. He no longer was Dios or had that Dios power that Utena had. He has nothing now and will probably kill himself. either that or go on fucking teenagers until he's a bitter middle aged man and ends up in prison.

It's a really symbolic way to basically represent this:

> confused teenage lesbian meets weird tortured girl and decides to protect her to serve her own ego.

> confused teenage lesbian is seduced that dude trying to relive his high school days by hanging around high school and fucking teenagers to feel young again.

> confused teenage lesbian finds out the weird best friend she's protecting is getting raped by her older brother (the older creeper) regularly.

> confused teenage lesbian eventually saves weird best friend girl and they run off somewhere away from all that shit.

>>159497655

Good summary.

The movies gets across the themes better IMO. Makes it pretty clear princesses and princes and witches are all just shit people make up to fit others into roles. The movie is called "Adolescent Apocalypse." As in, growing up and being an adult. Part of growing up is realizing fairytales are all bullshit and you can do whatever the fuck you want; the only thing stopping you is when you believe in fairytales or society's roles for you, becausing believing in it gives power over you. The prince never existed. There's no such thing.

>>159497188
She did fail at saving Anthy that was the whole point, if she did Utena would have just become like Akio in the long run, but she gave Anthy the inspiration to save herself, not only Anthy but everyone she met in the school was changed because of Utena's influence, she gave them the strenght to set themselves free by their own hand. There are not princesses in distress nor a prince in bright armor to save them anymore, that's her revolution.

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>>159495563
But why did she show her egg to Micky? I thought it was about reaching maturity.

>>159497933
He is the smartest guy in the school, you always go ask him about things you don't know.

>>159496047
>And also would you guys say Utena is a critique of other shoujo shows and manga?
It's more a critique on Disney-like fairytails

>Nanami, gay shit goes against God's wishes
>proceeds to service not one, but TWO dicks in Akio's backseat

>>159497933

Egg = Period

Miki's just smart. She asks Jury too indirectly.

>>159497933
if it was just about maturity then it wouldn't make sense that Touga said it's shameful for girls to lay egss

>>159498030

>nanami,God made men and women to fit together in a certain way. Now hold my beer, I gotta suck this Indian guy's dick

>>159498101

Touga meant laying eggs = being pregnant. If his 14 y/o adopted little sister got pregnant; pretty 'shameful' from Touga's view

>>159497970
>He is the smartest guy in the school
No, he isn't, and is shown manipulated throughout.
>>159498058
What's strange about a period, and in what form do you show it to someone?
>>159498101
Sub or native Nip? Could be a mistranslation. I can't remember specifically, but I would think he's talking about openly discussing those "things".

>>159498352
I said smartest, not the most wise.

>>159497522
>>159497655
>>159497765
>>159497870
Interesting. I didn't even think of it in terms of Anthy's significance, more details I'd forgotten.

You're right though, since Anthy was the source of Akio's power and control over his world, she was the one who had to break out of her shell in order for things to truly change. She couldn't do that on her own, but Utena inspired her to do so.

I believe I get it now.

Thank you, kind Anons.

>>159498352
>No, he isn't, and is shown manipulated throughout.
He was refering to smartest as in he is a know-it-all nerd

>What's strange about a period,
It is strange for a girl that knew nothing about it before.
>and in what form do you show it to someone?
It's just an allegory.

>>159498232
Eh, gotta say that's what confused to me a little about that episode, some things seems to fit the period metaphor like when she talks to Juri and the other girls and the PMS like behavior, but other things seem to fit the teen pregnancy one like the motherly attitude, Touga's talk, her wanting to abandon the egg and then starting to regret it, so I'm not sure either way

>If his 14 y/o adopted little sister got pregnant
Doesn't he say in a later episode that they are truly blood siblings, but lied for laughs? while talking with Akio

>>159498352
>Sub or native Nip? Could be a mistranslation
Subs, in the ones I saw he talks about how he would never associate with a girl who laid eggs and that it's the kind of thing that brings shame to a family

>>159497147
No, fags who like YKA are posers, it is a garbage anime that borders on self-parody

>>159498547
brainlet

>>159498352

>what's strange about a period

part of nanami's character is that she's very naive and child-like; which is why she hangs on to her brother like that.

> no real sex education

> doesn't get along with other girls because you treat them like your slave bitches.

> no mom because adopted you live alone at boarding school with brother

> wake up one morning and find blood is gushing from your vag

> wonder what the fuck is wrong with you and if you're dying.

basically that. she's too stuck up to ask advice about this shit from other girls because she doesn't want to out herself asthe clueless kid she really is.

>>159497188
>Utena just simply failed in her attempt to save Anthy
Yes and no.
Utena couldn't save Anthy on her own. Anthy had to save herself. Consider the scene in the final episode where Utena is holding out her hand but Anthy hesitates to take it. That's basically what's been going on the whole series. You can't save someone who isn't trying to save themselves.
What Utena managed to do, as >>159497522 put it, was showing Anthy that she was able to save herself, which she did at the very end by calling Akio a manchild and telling him to fuck off.

>>159498501

it's both. just like with animals:

unfertilized egg : eggs we eat, eggs that your uterus chucks out every month.

fertilized egg: pregnancy, baby.

When she talks to Touga, the focus shifts. It was first about her being freaked out about her first period. Then she realizes she can get pregnant, and gets freaked out that she has the ability to be a mom now. Best I can come up with on an emotional level about her regrets about abandoning her egg is teen motherhood and either aborting it or carrying to term and giving it up for adoption.

sort of how you feel when you get your first period. "oh shit, I'm going to be bleeding out my vag and feelign like shit 4-6 days a month now for the next 35 fucking years." and then... "oh shit, if I'm not careful I could get pregnant and have a fuckin baby."

>>159498874
>"oh shit, I'm going to be bleeding out my vag and feelign like shit 4-6 days a month now for the next 35 fucking years." and then... "oh shit, if I'm not careful I could get pregnant and have a fuckin baby."
Thank fuck I'm not a woman that shit sounds awful

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Why was Saionji cooking eggs in the middle of the woods?

Utena threads always make me love that anime even more.

>>159498352

miki's that kid that knows a lot of random stuff because he's a nerd who reads looks of books and has a 5..0 GPA but would be horrified and shocked to learn people start fucking in the 6th grade

>>159498973
homeless

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>>159499257
He wasn't all too shocked to see his whore of a sister fuck on his piano.

>>159500013
That wasn't the first time she did that. He just got used to his sister being a slut.

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>>159479402
No, but you know who did top Utena?

>>159498973
Symptom of being best boy.

>>159500774
Why did you use a surprise box? 10% of the image posts in this thread are taken from that sequence, it's hardly a rare piece of information.

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>>159500902
>surprise box

>>159500902
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't look at the other images closely when I posted. My apologies.

>>159501002
I want to call spoilers surprise boxes now.

>>159481160
yka was pretty good.

>>159500774
delet

>>159497188
She basically "graduated" from ohtori because she stopped trying to fit a certain archetype (a prince). She gave up on trying to be a prince and instead really reached out to anthy to try and offer her help to come out of the coffin. In doing so she gave anthy the power to leave ohtori as well and she realized she didn't have to just be the rose bride forever. Utena's sacrifice is presumably the first time anyone has genuinely cared for anthy with no ulterior motive which was clearly really impactful for her.

She didn't die, she matured and didn't belong there anymore. At least that's how I see it

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>>159501002
>>159501034
How new are you?
Surprise box was first used on /jp/ somewhere around 2012 to mock they way /a/ used spoilers.

>>159501281
How new are you when you act like 2012 is old? Next you'll tell me ota is where all the oldfags go you /jp/sie wanna-be.

>>159501281
>>159501378
Yeah I thought that'd shut you up quick. Damn secondary.

>>159501473
>secondary
That's not how you use that term.

>>159501513
If you're acting like you're hotshit for browsing /jp/ in 2012 you're positively a secondary to Touhou and were just hanging around because you thought that's where the cool kids were.

>>159501378
Us oldfags have taken /qa/, /ota/ is just a subterritory where we send the undesirables who can't handle being part of the elite.

oh god old /jp/ is leaking someone call meido

>>159501583
>us oldfags
I didn't know the job you did on /qa/ over the last few months qualifies you for oldfag status.

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>>159501664
Ah, well, we did work very hard, you know.

>>159496865
>maybe it's just me but I guess I see some RoV influence in it?
It's actually The Sword of Paros. Read it and you'll see it fits way better.

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What was Chu Chu supposed to symbolize? For some reason he always reminded me of Akio.

>>159502112
I guess it just served the purpose of humanizing Anthy.

>>159502112
Dios (Ikuhara)

>>159496865
>>159497153
Please watch Oniisama e...; not only is the number of elements Ikuhara directly swiped from it bordering on hilarious, but it's an amazing show.

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>>159497188
But she did save Anthy. Don't you remember the final scenes?

>>159502112
Chu Chu was the self-insert.

>>159502205
I already read the manga but I'm curious to see the differences with the anime, since the manga is pretty short. The only differences I know are the ending with Saint Just's death and Kaoru's fate

>>159502483
The anime was actually better. It adds in a lot of stuff that the manga didn't have, but it's to the benefit of the story and the characters are much more well-developed. Also, both of the things you spoilered turn out quite a lot different in the anime.

>>159502450

actually probably true. Ikuhara basically said chu chu was his self insert

What does revolutionizing the world mean?

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>>159503549
Growing up.

I liked almost all the male characters
fite me raku was dope

>>159504077
>raku
????

>>159504105
I guess he meant Ruka. Ruka a shit, by the way.

>>159479402
Will anime ever be able to top Utena, is a better question.

And the answer is probably not.

>>159504371
Thingken of dick

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Why are they so sad?

>>159504278
Ruka just wanted his feelings returned. ;_;

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>>159504482
Wakaba is the only pure girl if you think about it.

>>159504917
>implying
She definitely jerked Saionji off at least once when he was staying with her.

>>159504967
No. Why do you think he left so readily? She was pure.

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>>159504494

>>159505022
Didn't she also go for a ride with Akio that one time, without Utena?

>>159505089

too late, she's already pregnant

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>>159505089
A car ride doesn't mean anything.

Tsuwabuki is the only pure character in the show, as he is the only one who didn't get AKIO'd.

>>159505148
Adolescence of Utena proves otherwise.

Having spent the past 6 months reading a shit ton of Noh dramas, I have come to find an even greater appreciation for Utena than I already had. The guy struck genius with Utena, hard to top that.

>>159505379
Will studying Noh help me unravel the shadow girls' secrets?

>>159479402
How can he if he sits on his ass all the time?

touga a best boy

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why is this allowed

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Ikuhara's problem is that he always goes off the rails and makes a bullshit confusing second half/ending. It was a minor problem in Utena, but he had more freedom in his later works and it ended up killing penguindrum and yurikuma. It's like watching a supergenius piano auteur go freestyle, make masterpieces fly from their fingertips, but then they start getting too into it and begin mashing random keys and everyone is too afraid to stop them.

>>159505436
Unlikely. It did, however, give me a whole new understanding of the structure of the duels and the influences behind the ritualistic, supernatural presentation of them.
Thats what makes it a 10/10 for me. Years later there are still images and scenes that have stuck with me that I didn't fully understand, and have only come to understand with more time. In this way its like I get to enjoy the series anew despite having seen it so many times, which is pretty amazing. Thats some dank fucking art to be able to do that.

>>159506002
Coherence is overrated.

>>159502112
Chu Chu is the remaining of Akio's good side.

>>159503549
Changing how people understand their social roles.

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>>159505896

>>159495704
Thanks!

>>159495704
youre a legend

I just started Utena tonight and one episode in and I'm already absolutely hooked

I haven't felt this excited about an anime in a long time

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>>159495704
>hop on utena thread to shitpost
>motherfucking new album
Oh yes

>>159490093
>not elephants

>>159495704

may the yuri gods smile upon thee anon

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>>159507953
>one episode in and I'm already absolutely hooked
Have fun!

>>159488676
this. enokido is a mess without ikuhara. ikuhara is also a mess without enokido. dunno about chiho saito but she had terrible ideas and got shut down by ikuni a lot. don't care about the other guys.

>>159502768
But why did he decided to rip off Cheburashka's design?

>>159505896
Moar Anthy

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>>159508374

>>159507953

You have so much wonderful, heart crushing shit in front of you. I'm jealous. i wish I was 14 and watching this again for the first time.

>>159503549

growing up and becoming an adult while holding on to the ideals and people that really matter to you. It's when you stop letting society and other people define you and you choose for yourself your own way of living and tell everyone else to fuck off. Realizing that other people and authority structures only have power over you if you let them have it.

It's different for every person, and you get a sense most the characters grow up towards the end of the series.

For Saionji it means being friends with Touga again and no longer thinking he has to compete with him.

For Miki it means to stop living in nostalgia / the past and embrace growing up and new experiences.

For Jury, it means accepting that she's not a sick person for being gay, but that Shiori is not the one for her.

For Touga, it happened when he fell in love with Utena for real. All the other girls were just chicks he banged for fun. He realizes acheiving things just for the sake of achieving them is hollow and people matter more to him than he thought.

For Anthy, it's refusing to allow past guilt force her into being her brother's slave and fuck toy.

For Utena, it's being a true friend/lover, more honest with herself and that she can be a good person without idolizing childish things like princes.

>>159508333

Saito is trash. She made Juri be in love with Touga and really tried to scale back the yuri elements. Ikuhara just needed her to make some pretty shoujo character designs really

>>159507953
it's pretty great. watch the movie afterwards if you want a chuckle

>>159508515
Yeah. I remember reading about her being mad at how gay the show was. She changed her tune after it got popular. I'm glad they ignored her.

We can all agree that Penguindrum had the best soundtrack though, right?

>>159489425
Remember that Utena had a smaller budget than Evangelion. We could crowdfund him.

>>159508657
Not when the duel music exists, we can't.

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>>159479402
I still wonder what Utena did to piss off my friend. I mean, look at those ratings.

>>159508686
Not when Akio Car theme exists.
>>159508701
Don't worry, your friend is a coprofag.

>>159479402

I like Mawaru a bit more, but Utena is also a 10/10

>>159508652

Me too. Ikuhara made Sailor Moon what it was. He made Utena what it was. Then he made Penguin Drum and Yuri Kuma.

What the fuck did Saito ever do? Shitty incest shoujo manga?

>>159508657

best ops and eds, yeah easy. but duel songs * YKA's bgm were better than Penguindrum's BGM

>>159508604
A chuckle?

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>>159505896
>sample
Picture is ruined

>>159508984
Not that guy, but everything from the car transformation onward is comedy gold

>>159495704
Gracias

>>159508701
>Rating Utena 4
>Rating Movie 2
He should kill himself.

>>159489425
We need Rebuild of Utena movies.

>>159490805
>>159490895
>>159490371
This didn't even faze me. Utena was such a one-dimensional character, that her getting the D was nothing special.

>>159484222
I agree. I feel so detached with the characters in YKA

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>>159509375
Stop bullying best girl.

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>>159509971
>best girl
But that's Saionji

>>159509328

Can't. Utena's VA died a few years ago. Just wouldn't be the same w/o her. Anthy's VA said something like she'd never do another Utena thing with anyone else too, I think

>>159484222
Completely agree with you on. That is why I didn't like YKA (aside the massive lesbo sex which turned me off slightly)

Ikuhara shines with long series where he can build the world and expand the personality of the characters while also building a repeating structure to be played with.

>>159510510
Get new VA's. I mean, voice actors can be changed. Famous characters like Guts and Griffith are played by different people in every anime version and actors who died have been replaced before (like Yang Wenli from Logh). Honestly, I would be okay with any type of new Utena content, even a hidden camera show about the Akio car.

>>159495563
That episode Is basically Nanami's first period.
She finds something new her body can do, and is terrified over it. "am I an alien?"
Both from having something bizarre happening to her and not being sure if it's the same with everyone else.
She was scared that either everyone reject her for laying eggs or everyone will think she is dumb and her body is slow.

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>>159511448
>turned off by lesbo sex

>>159497188
Utena failed at being a noble prince, she succeeded at being an amazing friend.

Anthy is the humanization of everyone's wishes and what make them stuck: For Utena it's her wish to be a prince, for that she needs a damsel in distress.
Utena faild because of that (or rather, she got stabbed because she stop being noble by having sex with a taken man, and fails to rescue Anthy because she can't)
BUT! Because throughout the show Utena became an actual friend, Anthy was able to help herself and break out of the world's shell.

>>159511448
>(aside the massive lesbo sex which turned me off slightly)
Wow, so /a/ indeed have gay people posting.

YKA only plus was the lesbian bear sex and how that was bound with the subtext vs real yuri discussion theme playing in the whole show.

Utena of course was more complex but then how many repetitive and boring episode it had which could be simply discarded and nothing of value would be lost? Around 10 easily. And it would still have 27 episodes to tell it story.

If anything Ikuhara should make Utena Remake fit to current times than the 90s where yuri was just absolute Class S niche.

>>159498232
>>159498101
I actually thought it was more a development of the symbol. As in:
>Laying eggs is a metaphor for periods
>Nanami is insecure about what does it means about her
>everyone's comment on the eggs is about an actual egg and not about the metaphor.

Remember that it's a fictional anime, an object can be both real and a metaphor at the same time.
I find that Ikuhara plays a lot with that aspect of real vs fiction.
(its the same as the children's broiler being an actual place that kids are actually collected to in Mawaru)

This is just my opinion though

>>159498030
The car isn't about sex. It's about leading(seducing) the characters to their destination.
This is why the final act is Akio jumping out of the driver sit and enjoying the view.
And is why the cars crush when Utena wins the duel.

>>159512297
>>159512421
Kyaa Senpai noticed me~

also
> boring episode it had which could be simply discarded and nothing of value would be lost? Around 10 easily
Fuck off.

>>159507953
you're gonna fucking die kiddo

>>159512421
>Wow, so /a/ indeed have gay people posting.
I'm pretty sure Utena is one of the most popular anime with the LGBT crowd

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>>159513262
>Utena is popular with the gay crowd
>only gay characters are Juri and Touga's dad
Can't they stick with Sakura Trick or something?

>>159507953
I'm so excited for you. It's a masterpiece.

>>159512502
To me the egg stands in for different things throughout the episode. The clear comparison is a period, but Nanami's motherly way of treating it makes me think teenage pregnancy, and her conversation with Touga seems to be about shaming female sexuality.

>The egg stands for nanamis period.
>Later on in the episode, Saionji is shown eating a whole lot of eggs.
Oh god.

>>159514665
It just means he doesn't mind a little ketchup on his hot dog if you know what I'm saying

>>159479402
I believe both Penguindrum and YKA to be superior to it. Utena is too long for its own good, only the last 10 episodes~ fall under the "excellent" category for me.

>>159508333
Without Ikuhara Enokido wrote FLCL and Diebuster, don't be silly.
And more recently, Star Driver and Captain Earth are underrated, and Dragon's Dentist is excellent.

>>159513517
>Only gay characters are But I and Touga's dad

Anon...

>>159514738
I would say that both Penguindrum and YKA are too short for their own good and that's the biggest reason they aren't quite as excellent as Utena. Ikuhara works better with a long time to develop characters and let arcs play out slowly.

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>>159479402
Penguindrum > Utena > Yuri Kuma

>>159514738
>I believe both Penguindrum and YKA to be superior to it.

You can't be fucking serious.

>>159479402
>Will Ikuhara ever be able to top Utena?
Pretty sure Akio was already on top of her.

>>159515002
Finally, someone who appreciates Dragon Dentist. My taste is validated.

>>159514718
>>159514665
I was eating eggs and bacon with ketchup. Now I dont feel like eating anymore.

Does Utena have some canon materials that explain everything about the show, or is it like a Lain type of deal, where the creators want you to headcanon everything?

>>159515201
Woah woah woah, please tell me you didn't mix the eggs with the ketchup, right? That's just going too far..

>>159515246
Well everything is essentially canon, but it's all a metaphor for something else at the same time. The fictional story itself is a metaphor for something else.

>>159515246
Mostly headcanon, and as someone pointed out, that includes what actually happens and what is just metaphor. If you take everything literally or at face-value, it won't make any sense.

A lot of good essays on specific topics at that one utena fan site, though

>>159515246
Ikuhara is intentionally vague about the show. There is a commentary which explains some of his thoughts, but there are also things like Miki's stopwatch that he refuses to answer questions about.

>>159515246
Learn Eastern philosophy/religion and you should get most of the symbols.

>>159515002
FLCL and Diebuster are good but Star Driver is a awful attempt to do Utena with mechas. Haven't watched the other 2 series.

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What was their endgame?

>>159515121
I don't know why it went so under everyone's radar. Maybe it was because of the unconventional release schedule, or some people got turned off by the CG. Many seemed to have completely misunderstood what it was about, despite it being fairly simple.
But so far it's been the best new release of 2017.

>>159515559
Why was Nanami plagued by such bad luck over the course of the series?

Was it Anthy's doing?

>>159515622
I think is the title. It may sound cool for japaneses but thinking about someone being a dentist doesn't sound interesting to most of us.

>>159515622
>>159515789
They just made two episodes, right? Can't be bothered desu

>>159516032
Two 45 minutes specials. It's basically a TV movie.

I've only watched Penguindrum and thought it was pretentious tripe. Should I give Utena a try?

>>159515622
It's a god awful mess.

>>159516198
Give it a few episodes. The concrete details of Utena's plot are much clearer than Penguindrum's, but it's still full of the Ikuhara-ness that probably made Penguindrum feel pretentious to you.

>>159516386
It's really not. It's as straightforward as it can be despite the bizarre premise.

>>159516198
No, but try Yuri Kuma Arashi or the Utena movie

Is Utena movie a sequel to the tv show? Like another loop, where they actually get a happy ending?

>>159508267

It's amazing how many little moments there are that show Anthy's true personality. This one was even played off as an animation and continuity error. Fucking brilliant.

>>159515402
If you watch the conversation where Miki use the stop watch, and then go back in time (Video time, don't actually try to go back in time, shit will get fucked up)
you will notice that something interesting is happening.

>>159515622
>>159515789
>>159516032
Wait, wan't it a short made for aniexpo?
they make an actual show out of it!?

>>159516696
Did Anthy hang up that love letter to Saionji in order to get shit started?

>>159516898
They did. It deserved it desu

>>159516613
No
It's a different way to tell the same story.
Just like the manga.

>>159516613
>Is Utena movie a sequel to the tv show? Like another loop, where they actually get a happy ending?
Not really, it's just retelling with few things changed to appeal more to LGBT audience than original anime could. Due to Chiwa Saito meddling and not accepting Utena x Anthy as romantic pairing and stopping Ikuhara from making them kiss in the anime at the end, in movie Ikuhara had full control over the project, so no Akio fucking Utena and Utena kissing Anthy result.

Basically:
- Utena Chiwa Saito manga - non-yuri related project where the girls are straight from the shoujo cliche perspective
- Utena anime - there's yuri subtext but if there's something more between two main girls we only learn about it from after the show Ikuhara commentary that they had romantic relationship, basically Class S reasoning
- Utena movie - yuri title where the author wasn't censored by anyone to show his true vision, so lesbian car result, full yuri ride

>>159516956
Fucking awesome!
I thought it was really interesting.

>>159490093
Excellent taste anon, I love these guys so much.
>dooo
>dooooooooo
>doooooooooooooooooo

>>159517025
>Chiwa Saito
*Chiho
Chiwa Saito is a VA.

>>159517109
I lost my shit I saw them dressed as cows during the cowbell episode.

>>159517025
I actually liked the platonic love between Utena and Anthy more then the romantic one. It felt more Naive which fits Utena's personality more imo

(Juri without yuri is plain retarded though)

>>159517025
Just because you're a naked girl making out with another naked girl on the Motorbike to Adulthood doesn't mean you're gay

Utena and Anthy are just really close friends

>>159484222
Utena was a 9 at best. Mawaru Penguindrum was a 7 at best. Yurikuma was a 6 at best.
You're undiscriminating as fuck.

>>159516902

Shit. might have. Saiyonji did say he tossed it and Anthy's gonna Anthy.

>>159517333
I think I will belive more into what Ikuhara said in an interview than what you are thinking dear /a/non.

>>159515002
Captain Earth underrated? That show was absolutely dreadful.

>>159517302
>(Juri without yuri is plain retarded though)
I ship Miki and Juri tho.

>>159517333

The bike pulls away into the distance as Anthy and Utena pull away from their passionate kiss.

Utena: No Homo tho.

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>>159517774
Why did Juri hit on Miki during this scene?

>>159517974
Miki should have smashed her on the spot.

>>159517974

I think she was joking and or making fun of him.

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>>159517974

Gaydar ping.

>>159517691
No, it was okay.

>>159517974
>>159518032
>>159518074
Let's not forget that Miki probably smashed and killed Kozue not even few days ago. Juri was lucky she made it out of that garage.

>>159517669
>believing Ikuhara

>>159518282

It doesn't look like you kill someone to turn them into a car. If you want to revolutionize the world then you can be tempted into being turned into a car.

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what's your favorite track from the OST?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6QGMRnni8

>>159517669
death of the author

>>159511600
Tomoko Kawakami is irreplaceable, you heathen.

>>159518978
Nemuro's Memorial Hall.
I learned piano so I could to play it. This is how much I love it.

>>159519073

THis.

Also why does Utena need anything? It's already brilliant and there's nothing to be added or re-interpreted.

>>159517974
Miki is a cute boy.

>>159518978
Shi No Aphrodite and its variations

>>159519182
I also agree with this. I doubt Ikuhara would sell out like Anno did with NGE.
A spin off might be night though, but I think every character in Utena had their story told, so there's really no need.

>>159515733
Probably. You can see her doodling elephants a few episodes before, when they study with Miki and Nanami tries to start shit.

Is Utena a transvestite or a non-transitioning gender-comfortable transexual?

>>159519269
A prince.

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>>159507953
A bit late, but don't forget to watch the movie after you're done with the series.

>>159519262
A spin off with a new cast of characters showing what happened to Ohtori after the events of the series is the only thing I could see working out. And even then that poses the risk of destroying the sense of mystery that te original series established.

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>>159519439
Not him but I watched the series so long ago, and rewatched it this year, but still haven't watched the film.
I probably should, but I thought the original series was perfect as is.

>>159519269
utena is a lady

>>159519439

One of the most romantic dance sequences I have seen in any movie.

Digibro pronounces utena like an absolutely faggot

>>159519073
>tfw I saw that interview with her when she said that she thought she fucked the audition up because she portrayed Utena as naive rather than tomboyish

She was too pure for this world.

>>159519749
No I don't, he pronounces it correctly.

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>>159519749
>watching digibro

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>>159519606
The movie is worth watching for the visuals and animation alone. It's absolutely gorgeous.

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>>159519749
>>159519854
>e-celeb garbage
Please go away

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>>159479402
Yes. When he makes an Anime with Anno.

>>159519892
>can't see their eyes
>can't see their mouths
>can see their giant fucking noses
Consistent art style

>>159519749
>>159519854
oo-tay-nah?

>>159519938
I really want to know the kind of conversations they have.

>>159519965

> From that far away

What do you expect?

>>159519715
I don't think any dance scene I've seen tops it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72e0s4pxDG0

>>159519984
According to Anno, they talk about really deep gay shit

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>>159518978
>>159519439
https://youtu.be/_wyKfkvlnsU
Call me a faggot but the dance sequence is one of my favourite scenes, it's so beautifully done.
If nothing else though Utena has the greatest soundtrack anime has ever known.

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>>159519965
>background characters aren't very detailed
Are you okay?

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>>159520076
>>159520039
Not criticizing, just think it's funny that most anime would show the eyes and mouth, but for the utena style, it has to be the nose

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>>159519892
>>159520076
I realise it would've been impossible, but it's shame we didn't get the movie's crazy architecture for the series.

>>159520221
I think it just adds to the surreal nature of the series more than anything else.

Same with the use of silhouettes.

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>>159520289
Yeah I could jerk off to some of the movie's backgrounds.

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So Nanami turning into a cow was a metaphor of the body changes caused by puberty, right?

>>159520289
Why does Juri always get the best duel songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b7wNSIIXYY

>>159520042

>Ballroom dancing to a new jack swing beat

OK, that's amazing enough right there.

>>159520337
>I think it just adds to the surreal nature of the series more than anything else.
Like the dub.

>>159520381
I think it's a metaphor for turning into a fucking cow

>>159520387
Because Juri is the best girl.

How do I win Juri's love?