How do we save the magical girl genre?

>>159459666
Madoka already saved it.

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>>159459666
We already did

>>159459715
little witch academia? more like little BITCH academia!

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>>159459666

it was already saved

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>>159459666
Remove edge

>>159459703
also>>159459715

genre can't get more saved then mahou shoujo

make it shoujo again

make something actually aimed at young female audiences and not neckbeards and edgefags

this will not only save mahou shoujo but also shoujo manga

>>159459666
Stop making shows where the whole point is that something horrifying happens to the girls

>>159459932
Cardcaptor Sakura is getting a new OVA, LWA is doing good at Netflix

Chill

>>159459932
You mean like they do all the time with Precure

>>159459715
>>159459801
>little sales academia
>flip floppers

>>159460002
that targets neckbeards

>>159460035
Sure it does buddy.

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>>159460035
It really doesn't. There are certainly some aspects that are made to appeal to that demographic, but there's no doubt that it's targeted at young girls.

>>159459983
But I love suffering. They're just not doing it right.

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>>159459932
>make a show for little girls, not neckbeards
>So I can watch it

>>159460117
so how many precures have boyfriends?

>>159460117
precure is toei shit. It's the opposite of saving anything

three words:

mahou shoujo Isekai

>>159460199
>I want magical girls shows for kids!
>that one doesn't count :^)

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>>159460166
They have a good number of episodes that bring up small romance subplots, but they're not focused on because that's not the genre it's going for. Precure's about friendship, basic life lessons, and some fun action scenes. If you'd watch it, you would realize it's made specifically for that audience.
And don't even pretend that having romance is some sort of pre-requisite for being mahou shoujo.

>>159460230
Nothing from Toei ever saved anything

>>159460001
>Cardcaptor Sakura is getting a new OVA

and a new series till January next year

>>159460166
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

>>159460258
Repeating retarded things doesn't make them true.

>>159460251
>it's totally for little girls the big action scenes prove it!

>>159460362
I'm just saying classic mahou shoujo tend to have focus on male love interest as well with Salior Moon we ave Mamoru with CCS we god Li

with Madoka we got ?
with LWA we got ?
with precure we got ?

they're not big on the whole "boyfriend" thing because it risk offending their otaku male audience

>>159459666
Stop trying to fucking deconstruct shit.

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>>159460166
Just one.

>>159460429
>it's totally for little girls the big action scenes prove it!
Did you just gloss over the rest of the post or what. Fight scenes only make up about 20-30% of the average precure episode.

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>>159460299
Will CLAMP learn from their past mistakes?

>>159460436
it's the only thing keeping the genre relevant

>>159460429
You dumb nigger, the newest precure is literally about baking sweets and breads with minimal fighting and two seasons ago it was PRINCESSES. How the fuck is that not made for little girls.

>>159460412
So you've got no argument. Sorry people call Toei out for what they are on here.

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>>159459666
We go back to its roots, satan OP.

>>159460574
>The boyfriend thing was introduced on Sailor Moon because
Because Sailor Moon needed someone to carry her as she has no powers on her own. I've seen Sailor Moon. I don't think Sailor Moon introduced the wish fulfilment boyfriend archetype.

>>159460429
Wow, a sample size of two shows. You sure showed us.
Even funnier that your think that CCS and Sailor Moon were shows free of pandering to more adult audiences. If anything you just proved yourself wrong.

>>159460575
lol

>>159460618
>sailor moon has no powers
>literally capable of reviving the dead, reconstructing a destroyed planet, and resetting the galaxy

In the manga Sailor Moon was strong as fuck and basically solo'd most things. Marmoru did fucking nothing

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>>159460618
Naoko stated several times that she had no idea SM would be such hit, it was just her making plot and designs about things that pleases her under a magical girl series. Such thing as
>Guys in cape/mask
>Make up
>Expensive cars
>Pretty clothes

And the list goes on. And I'm not criticizing her, just saying the woman was not following any guide book on mahou, like OP is trying to convey.

Turn me into a magical girl.

>>159460775
>literally capable of
Yet she does nothing for the first 50 episodes herself. I've seen Sailor Moon. I don't care what you say. She's like the least powerful main character. I guess women really enjoy reading about someone that gets everything despite doing nothing to deserve it.

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>>159460618
>Because Sailor Moon needed someone to carry her as she has no powers on her own

>>159460618
As far as I remember is the only one where she ends up married with the guy

>>159460788
>gender bender bullshit
"No!"

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>>159460830
>She's like the least powerful main character
>I've watched the series

You sure did, anon

>>159460876
If you're actually arguing this fact it says more about the type of person you are than sailor moon.

>>159460850
I'm already an adorable 2d girl.

>>159460913
she's the one that actually kills all the monsters

I don't think you watched any episode and you are just mimicking hearsay

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>>159460913
She's literally the one in charge of destroying the main enemy every single episode, my shitposting friend

You are not even attempting to say Mercury is useless or any more elaborated bait, just insulting and blabbering. In another words, try harder.

>>159461045
>she's the one that actually kills all the monsters
Sure anon... Sure...

>>159461070
>she's in charge
Are you actually this daft? Be real with me. I don't care how many episodes you've seen you can't claim this to be the case for 80% of them.

>>159461098
Now I get it

Well played

7/10

Now hush

>>159460501
I liked tsubasa chronicles, yes it was a clusterfuck at times but I still liked it

>>159459666
Why would you want to? It's the worst genre, even worse than harem and isekai.

>>159462138
exactly why it needs saving

>>159459932
>make something actually aimed at young female audiences
Do you not watch any of the SoM anime?

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A proper protagonist.

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>>159459715
>LWA
>mahou shoujo
I knew LWA fans were cancerous, but I didn't know they were outright retarded.

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Fuuka already did.

make it kid/all age friendly again but 70s-90s friendly

>>159459666
We don't

>>159460199
Good Toei shit. It's the reason most of Toeis properties look subpar.

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>>159460003
>2 of the best shows in recent time
> muh sales
nips have shit taste, just how it is

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>>159462408
>girls doing magic
>its not mahou shoujo
ok

>>159466856
By that logic just about every single story in the world is isekai since it's literally not THIS world.

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New season (/spinoff) of Sailor Moon with the artstyle of the original series

>>159460110
if it was really pandering to little girls there would be cute male love interest instead of disgusting yuri undertone.
MS has went to shit because it tries to much to pander to pedo otaku yurishitter.

And precure needs to die. precure is cancer

>>159467071
>I have literally never watched precure: the post
There's at least one option for a male love interest in each series except Doki Doki. Just because they don't turn into full-on romances doesn't mean they don't exist.
You should probably research the shows you shitpost about.

>>159460575
You know its such a shame that cutey honey flash never was completeley subbed, only to the first 9 episodes are subbed.
Does anyone if theres a fansub group working on it and if not is there a fansub group where i could make a request?

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Vivio exists. Thus it was saved.

>>159466618
>good Toei shit
woah slow done there. What are you talking abou t

>>159467031
looks as bad as One Piece's anime artstyle.

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>>159459666
Like this

>>159469259
Compare Precure to modern One Piece I dare you. It has more good looking episodes than modern One Piece. Plus Toei has all their good people on Precure and they put all their money on Precure. Right now A la Mode's movie is in post production while the next crossover movie is in production as well as the next Precure series. So don't come with me with that shit. Precure is the reason Toei is so shit now.

>>159459666
Remove edge and more dubs.

>>159472345
>modern one piece
one piece always looked like shit imo, and the pacing has always been awful, I don't really compare shit to shit

>>159459666
>demographics changed from little girls to neckbeard yurishitters
Pretty funny

>>159473120
Little girls buy the dildo rod once, but creepy otakus buy the same BD vol multiple times.

>>159473120
I'm neither of those demographics. Stop trying to enforce a stereotype

>>159460575
Why hasn't there been a Cutie Honey anime reboot especially since there's been a ton of anime reboots of old shows lately?

>>159459666
Give it a show in which the little girls can only get mana by holding hands with onee-sans

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>>159462408
>>159462408
>If there's no transformation sequence, it's not mahou

Shows what you know

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>>159469259
>Sailor Moon
>Looks bad

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Make it less gay. Though to be fair, it already was saved.

>>159460299

they previewed it at anime expo and i fuckin' missed it

goddamn

>>159475220
>streaming

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>>159475220
>stylized font

>>159475651
don't question women anon

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Mature mahou shoujo college girls fighting edgy monsters and a lot of ecchi and sex scenes.

Literally the Kamen Rider Amazons of Precure.

>>159459666
M.A.G.I.C.A.L. B.O.Y.S.
A healthy mix of traps and big buff guys getting cute dresses with lengthy transformation.

Or keep the cute girls, but make it that the transformation is getting al kinds of firearms. MC gets desert eagle, cute small girl gets bazooka, something like that.

Really, the issue with the genre right now is that it has lost its roots.
The only monster of the week show right now is Precure, which has taken a pretty bad turn with the last two series in sales and originality. It's basically gone full on baby status with KiraKira.
Hopefully CCS will help when it comes out, since there will be some competition to Precure in the children's demographic.

Seinen MHSmahou shoujo is a totally lost cause if Twin Angel, the YuYuYu movies and the last season of Prisma Illya were any indicator. Nanoha is like a crappy battle shounen now. Symphogear may be the worst franchise of all time (it's not strictly mahou shoujo, but it's definitely part of the trend).

>>159459666
Make an anime about pubescent girls in the most revealing outfits possible, then make them make out in it. If garbage like Iliya is anything to go by, it'll be a success.

>>159476598
We have to go deeper. Make an anime about cute fetuses fight your avarage monster of the week in nothing but a glove and boots. Also make them fuck.

>>159476418
>what is Binan Koukousei

>>159476700
>not having zygotes with recreational nukes who create snuff porn in their free time

>>159476434
>gone full on baby status with KiraKira.
There's literally no Precure that is not "baby status". Do you even demographics?

>>159476434
Nanoha is bad because it's Nanoha, not because it's some kind of mahou shoujo. The guys behind the series are so obsessed with tournament and training arcs (see: Dog Days).

Were you just baiting?

>>159473432
Because there's already been like 5 reboots of the shit, give it a fucking rest already.

>>159476434
CCS is going to go full otaku pandering I really hope you don't expect anything less.
I'd be surprised if it even airs in the day.

HOLY TRINITY OF MAHOU SHOUJO NEVER TO BE

Magical Suite Prism Nana
Breetschlag
Six Hearts Princess

>>159476761
>what is Binan Koukousei
Is it good?

>>159477131
Yeah it's pretty fun.
First episode or two were a little disappointing iirc but then it really got more fun in the 3rd.

>>159477244
I'm trusting you anon. This better not be another yuyuyu, raising project, or that one by trigger.

>>159476434
KiraKira's on par with most of the franchise and leagues better than Maho tsukai. The fuck are you on about.

>>159477053
6 hearts would have been boring as hell. I don't understand what Prism Nana was even supposed to be. Breetschlag was just going t o be a gimmick.
We'll live without all three.

>>159477272
Nah it's nothing like that.
It's really more traditional in terms of plot structure than anything else recently, except that it's boys instead of girls.

>>159475268
and where the fuck were you anon

>>159477520
>BDs unavailable
Eh.

>>159477578

line for anime expo was 4 hours long, nobody that didnt come super early or the day before got in lol

>>159477445
It's literally killing the franchise because of how low viewing figures are. The catchphrase is nonsense, just like Mahoutsukai. The entire cooking theme feels really dated, like something a show from the 90's would do. It's entirely pointless. Not to mention that almost all of the action has been removed from the series in favor of special attacks, which was previously the defining feature of Precure compared to every other mahou shoujo.

It's not terrible, but it's clearly doing a lot wrong, and it's showing in viewing figures.

>>159476865
Nanoha As and the movies are great though, so it's not like the franchise is inherently bad. I honestly just think it ran its course a long time ago.

>>159476807
What is Fresh Precure other than a clear attempt at appealing to broader demographics? Even Futari wa wasn't as childish as the cooking theme in KiraKira has become. Especially since there's no more physical fighting in Precure.

>>159477272
gainax* not trigger. I love LWA

>>159477719
It's a franchise made to primarily appeal to LITTLE GIRLS. Those ratings and lack of fights don't mean shit when toy sales are still going strong.

>>159466856
There is a fairly clear distinction here. LWA is a fantasy setting wherein magic can be learned, is commonplace, and heavily influenced society at large.

Magical Girl settings tend to have the magic gifted to a character that probably had no idea magic existed. The world at large tends to be modern with magic having little or no effects on the development of society.

All Magical Girl is fantasy, not all fantasy is Magical Girl.

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It's okay, the Frogs have us covered.

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>>159477759
>Gainax
Are you talking about Hokago no Pleiades? It was pretty good.

>>159477971
Fuck that show. It abandoned the beautiful 2D for some trash CG instead. What a fucking waste, I had been hype for it back in the day too.

>>159478073
it was boring and budget af

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"They say that when you believe in something hard enough, an angel will come and make a miracle."
My angel came to me and said one word.
>"Contract?"

>This year
"You have exactly ZERO seconds until I can rightfully respond to your aggression!"
>in cinemas near you
"Magic means they don't have to be wire-guided anymore"
>[Michael Bay explosions]
"Magical ATOMIC MAAAAACFLAAAAREEEEE!!!!!! !!!"
>魔法 少女 アカップマギカ (TM)

>>159478106
>It abandoned the beautiful 2D
What's this?

>>159469904
Don't post trash here, we're trying to save mahou shoujo genre.

>>159477971
I like that show for the catboy art. I've never actually watched it

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Mai Hime was ever close being revolutionary but the ending kinda dropped the ball and almost ruined the franchise.

>>159478222
he has a visible bulge, you should watch it with SVP at 144fps

>>159459666
Well, there isn't much to do. Precure monopolised it. Kill Precure and you could either kill the genre or have a flow of new ideas.

>>159477809
It could appeal to little girls without being condescendingly childish though. There are plenty of shows that do, and previous seasons of Precure have not been as egregious.

>>159478155
Originally it was going to be normal 2D animation. Had very cute character designs and a couple of beautiful teaser sketches. Then it went radio silent for a while, and they reveal that they're going to go with some trash CG instead. It ruined all hype and excitement I had for it. CG is a mistake.

>>159478073
No, it wasn't. It's a fucking excellent pleb filter though.

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>>159478356
But how is that booty in the show? You may have turned my onto the show...

>>159478384
Which is a shame, because precum isn't good.

>>159478388
>condescendingly childish
That really only applies to you

>>159478461
No, little girls understood and enjoyed Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon, whic were never condescending to their viewers. Most children aren't the retards you take them for, especially in a country with a literacy rate as high as Japan's.

>>159473120
>Shows airing 2 AM are competing with daytime shows for children.
This is why I hate these fucking threads.

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>>159478408
I don't want to argue but I don't think it would have gotten great animation either way since Toei is funding it. Key-art/PVs always look more impressive than the end result. The CG works fine and actually looks pretty good on the character models if I say so myself.

>>159478451
I think I deleted my folder of screencaps so I can't really show you any. But lets just say I'm only watching for cat noir and the blonde chick

>>159478564
A lot of people seem to think kids are literally retarded, rather than just mentally developing. You'd think creators of shows meant to cater to kids would understand that the best, but often it seems like they know nothing about children.

>>159478637
I wasn't trying to argue, I don't care if people like it. I just hate CG shows and want more 2D shows that doesn't have exceedingly simplistic art styles.

Mahou Shoujo has had worse periods of times, though right now it is not looking too good. Precure's brand power scared the competition away, and being alone has given TOEI too much room to get lazy.

Sailor Moon and CCS stuff is nice enough, maybe it could be like the late 80's remake of Sally and Akko, which prepared the ground for Sailor Moon to arrive and change the genre forever.

One thing that would really help would be for the stupid western fanbase to learn that Seinen MG =/= Actual Shoujo MG, that no company is stopping to make daytime MG to go make seinen MG, and that seinen MG is not even making that much money. (Only Madoka made the bucks, Nanoha was profitable in the past too, but then what? Everything flopped hard.)

It would also help for people to stop calling Heroine shows Mahou Shoujo, Symphogear's director said it is not a MG show, YuYuYu's trademark is under Project 2H (Henshin Heroine). All would be way easier if people stopped calling everything an MS.

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>>159459666
We actually fucking translate this masterpiece instead of letting it run untranslated for 70+ chapters

>>159478582
That the mahou shoujo genre "needs saving" or "was saved" is something only retards and shitposters, such as >>159463402 and >>159468281, believe. So you shouldn't be taking these threads seriously in the first place, you come here to laugh at morons that don't know what magical girls even are.

>>159479352
what's this?

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>>159479384
Ore to Hero Mahou Shoujo

Another one of those OTP posts you and try and it's been untranslated since 2012, despite being ongoing.

>>159479464
Art is shit tho.

>>159479464
>it's been 4 fucking years
Christ I remember when it was getting posted on Batoto like it was yesterday

>>159459758
Holy fucking shit dude

>>159479513
you're mom is shit

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>>159479513
It's got it's own charm

>>159476764
An anime about cute sperm cells, all traps with revealing clothes and weapons of mass destruction fighting zombie sperm cells.
First season is getting from the balls to the tip, ending in a glorious ejaculation.
Second season is getting from the vagine up till the egg cell through a dangerous path. End boss is the drag queen egg cell, who holds the cute egg cells captive and manipulated everything. MC penetrates and fuses with her/his nucleus. Season ends with a baby looking like MC being born.

When's the CCS remake happening?

>>159479464
>it's been untranslated since 2012, despite being ongoing
Well, I'm atleast glad it's still ongoing thought it was axed or artist gave up.

>>159479044
>It would also help for people to stop calling Heroine shows Mahou Shoujo
I know that in your little private neckbeard world this is a clear dichotomy, but mahou shoujo is already a very ambiguously defined genre. Nanoha and Symphogear are clearly descendants of magical girl shows, and follow a large amount of the genre's conventions.
>b-but there's no magic
What is Cutie Honey?

>>159479767
OVA in Sept, show next year

>>159478320
>almost ruined the franchise.

Otome killed the whole franchise anon

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>>159478582
>Shows airing 2 AM are competing

Who remember those times, such great times

>>159479697
I'd watch it.

>>159479767
It's not a remake, it's a sequel.

>>159477841
This is an important distinction. You can't just take the genre title completely literally.
Slayers is not a mahou shoujo.

I think one could say that the core of mahou shoujo is the question:
>"what if a girl had magic powers?"
While many of the not-mahou shoujo, while they may have girls with magic powers as the protagonists, their core is not this. Perhaps we could rather say that their core is instead
>"what if magic were real?"
And this brings a very different focus.

>>159459801
wholesome

>>159479917
Cutie Honey being part of Mahou Shoujo only started to become a thing in the 90s and it is not as widespread as you think.

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>>159459715
>Yurishit and moeshit

>>159477841
Those were never distinctions for magical girl anime. Rayearth and Cardcaptor Sakura take place in worlds where magic is real and can be used by adult and male characters. You're just nitpicking to be a contrarian faggot.

>>159482403
You didn't even read what he said.

If a show has all of the following it is a magical girl show:
1) Girls transforming
2) Girls using superpowers
3) Female main character/s
These are the only three factors that determine whether a show is mahou shoujo or not.
Anything else is entirely up for reinvention.

I would not consider Binan Koukou or Kore wa Zombie magical girl anime.
I would consider LWA and KlK magical girl anime.

>>159483049
Cardcaptor Sakura has no transformations of the girl, but is clearly a mahou shoujo.
If you define "transformation" in a wider way, to include the transformation of her necklace, you could include it, but seems artificial and arbitrary, and you'll probably still fail to capture some anime.

it's probably the only genre that don't need to be saved

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>>159479826
Oh same here! I just want translations

>>159478637
/co/ usually has pretty good caps from the show, its the only reason I know the character exists because of based husbando threads

>>159460166
Nono, really little girls. Like "ew boys" little.

>>159483049
Cardcaptor Sakura doesn't have transformations though.
So your specifications don't work.

You can literally look it up and see that no one anywhere considers Little Witch Academia a mahou shoujo, it's falls under fantasy in the magic regard through and through.
Kill la Kill is magical girl, on a very loose level though.

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By actually airing it's savior.

>>159484139
>2010's typical fiery heroine.
>Futuristic town MG.
>Red, Blue, Green combo.
>Idol-lite magical girl outfits.
It can't even save itself.

>>159484085
Yoshinari specifically stated that they felt Chariot was a mahou shoujo figure for Akko.
He also wrote that Akko's OVA transformation places the show in mahou shoujo territory.

Card Captor Sakura's staff transformation clearly counts. Especially since the reason her outfit doesn't magically change is an important and intentional part of the show's aesthetic.

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>>159484267
Kantoku can save EVERYTHING.

>>159484347
That orange girl is really cute. When does this air, again?

>>159484377
Pretty sure it was canned.

>>159484085
>>159483317
Cardcaptor Sakura's transformation just doesn't change her outfit because Clamp wanted to design a lot of outfits. It is still a mahou shoujo transformation.
The fly card also becomes something of a transformation in the latter half.

>>159484497
She doesn't transform AT ALL though. It's not a transformation when you don't transform.

>>159484634
You're a complete idiot. Her staff grows, she changes into absurd outfits, she grows wings. It doesn't happen all at once because the show is intentionally playing on the transformation trope. If anything, it it makes the transformation aspect of the show more pronounced.

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>>159459666
>mfw no daughteru to spoil

my wife only shits out filthy shotas

>>159484497
You could easily imagine Cardcaptor Sakura with her carrying the staff in her bag instead, and it'd still be a mahou shoujo.

>>159484634
She transforms her necklace into a staff.

But I think, if there is anything here at all, the point should be switching between two different types of operation. And transformation would be a common gateway between these two, but not a requirement for something to be mahou shoujo, and it could function in other ways too.

>>159484085
>You can literally look it up and see that no one anywhere considers Little Witch Academia a mahou shoujo
Yes, let me look it up in my definitive academic database of anime genres.
Yoshinari explicitly stated the show has mahou shoujo elements and that Akko and Chariot were mahou shoujo characters.

>>159484267
Yeah. I really hate all the low-effort meme color shows people pretend are worth watching around here.

>>159484850
So if for whatever reason Toriyama came out and said Goku and Buu are magical girls, would that make Dragon Ball into mahou shoujo

>>159484900
You told me to look up some rando on the internet's opinion, but disregard the opinion of the show's creator?
I have seen plenty of people, in this thread and on /a/ besides me calling it mahou shoujo, so I don't know where you're getting this oh so obviously unanimous consensus from.

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Make it so that instead of getting brutally killed, they get tentacle raped

>>159485025
People who take name of the genre literally can easily be disregarded.
And the show creator does not necessarily know what they're talking about.

Personally I need to see both LWA, and many older mahou shoujo not influenced by Sailor Moon, before I can make my own opinion. But just because doesn't mean.

>>159484900
>Autism

>>159484866
>colors are now memes
Black and white mahou shoujo when?

>>159485237
No, they're meme colors. If you don't know what I mean maybe read a book.

>>159484789
>wife
>wanting 3D kids
Fuck off.

>>159485271
You're ridiculous.

>>159485271
>i'm not going to explain myself but i'm still right okay
Not an argument.

>>159485338
>>159485311
I can't help it you guys don't understand basics

For that transformation thing, how does Esper Mami work? I just quickly looked around in a couple of random episodes, and to me it looks like she is using magic while wearing her regular clothes at any moment, and didn't see any transformation scenes.
Does Esper Mami fit the transformation critierium, for those of you who have seen it?

The opening does show some magic item briefly though. Is it involved in transformation?

>>159485565
Esper Mami isn't really mahou shoujo.

>>159485798
Because it doesn't have transformations?

Uhh looks like it's shounen so guess you're right

>>159485565
She can shoot little beads at herself in order to teleport and can move objects around. The only transforming she does is stripping for her father.

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>>159459666
More magical boy-girls

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>>159475419
How did you that idea? It's SMC's release
>>159475651
That's why it has a stylized font
I like it, it fits the vibe

>>159486489
it looks like absolute shit. Either the release is at fault or you're using a shitty media player. There's even color corruption going on. What do you know? SMC's release sucks.

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>>159486555
You seem upset

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>>159486489
I just finished watching KAAs DVD release, and it looks about 1000x better than that.
You should check them out.

>>159486702
That the best you could come up with? It genuinely looks like shit. My emotional state is not affected by your silly provocations. Continue to ignore color corruption.

>>159460258
>Doremi didn't save humanity for all time.

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>>159486555
Oh boy it's one of these guys.

>>159484866
Shouldn't you be watching one of those thinly veiled fujoshit shows, which only exists so that their "fans" can fantasize about men fucking each others in the ass?

>>159486849
As far as I know KAA uses SMC's release as source, so it should normally look the same
My pic just looks like that because it's a upscaled screenshot from my phone

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>>159460258
Toei is for patricians.

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Drop Mahou Shoujo and become /m/ahou Shoujo

>>159460258
>>159460518
Uh, Toei LITERALLY invented the magical girl anime genre.

>>159487654
Nanoha is more that than Symphogear.

>>159487669
Old-ass magical girls from the 80s =/= post-CCS magical girls

>>159487713
If anything it's the post-CCS anime that are not real mahou shoujo then.
To identify the characteristics of the genre we need to look at what existed before everything became super sentai too, not only after. Because what's after may be the genre removing itself from itself.

>>159487693
Not only is it objectively not, Nanoha hasn't been good for over a decade so it isn't even a good example.

>>159487766
Or it could be the genre evolving. There's a reason why nobody gives two fucks about the old mahou shoujo stuff and nobody makes that sort of thing anymore.

>>159487713
So do you want Magical Girls for kids or otaku pandering shows?
If you want the former, then get down on your knees and thank Toei for creating and being the only studio trying to preserve the genre.
If you want pandering shows not for kids then yeah sure, Toei doesn't do anything right.

>>159487339
You really need to stop butting into conversations if you don't know what's being talked about.

>>159487669
Toei didn't invent shit.

>>159487407
What is your picture supposed to convey?

>>159487229
Found the woman

>>159487834
>Toei didn't invent shit.
Are you shitposting just to shitpost now?

>>159487811
Don't assume you're always talking to the same person. My only contribution to this conversation is making the distinction that what the genre was back then is not what the genre is right now. So it's an irrelevant point.

>>159487858
Name one thing Toei invented.

>>159487895
The magical girl anime genre.

>>159487895
Angry anons

>>159487919
I don't even know why you're here if you've got nothing to say. The sad thing is you claim I'm the shitposting one.

>>159487926
Angry isn't a concept Toei invented. 0/10

>>159485565
Transforming is not a crucial part of Mahou Shoujo, even if it became an ultra popular role within the genre.

>>159487895
anime about cute handicapped boys doing
cute handicapped things

>>159487972
>Transforming is not a crucial part of Mahou Shoujo
Yes it is. Esper Mami is an action shounen. Look it up, because I'm 100% sure you've never seen it.

>>159487803
But you can't make a definition of mahou shoujo that excludes all the mahou shoujo. They are important for forming the foundation of the genre, and need to be taken into consideration. A definition of mahou shoujo should include all the old mahou shoujo, and then from that we can move on to observe that a certain subgenre is much bigger and more popular.

We can also observe that Kill la Kill fit the modern criteria for mahou shoujo, but it still feels a bit wrong to say it's a mahou shoujo, and most would probably add something like "technically" or "unconventional". To understand why Kill la Kill feels weird as a mahou shoujo, we need a better understanding of the origins of the genre.

>>159488074
>Not seen it
Bitch, I bet you only know it from the pedobait scenes.

And ignoring Esper Mami, plenty of other magical girls don't transform, stop being retarded.

>>159487895
>First Super Robot Anime (Mazinger Z)
>First anime film to recieve international broadcast (Hakujaden
>First mahou shoujo anime (Mahoutsukai Sally)
That's just off the top of my head, and not even getting into all their first in tokustsu shows.
Learn more before talking out your ass next time.

>>159487961
>Angry isn't a concept Toei invented.
How would you know, you're only 12.

>>159488074
Does Sally the Witch have transformations? Just from watching the OP it looks like it wouldn't.

I think it's more important what transformations represent, a separation between magic and non-magic, than that this concept is portrayed as a transformation.

>>159487961
>I don't even know why you're here if you've got nothing to say. The sad thing is you claim I'm the shitposting one.
Well now I know you're just shitposting, but in case anyone else wants to know, Toei not only created the genre but was the only studio that made magical girl shows for almost 15 years before others caught on.

>>159488156
>I bet you only know it from the pedobait scenes.
Nope, watched the whole thing, but you're right on the money as to why.
Esper Mami is a comedy/action shounen anime.
If they don't transform they aren't magical girls. I also see you opted not to provide any examples, since you clearly don't fucking have any, even though there are "plenty of others."

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>>159488145
It is heavily inspired by Tokatsu, to the point it pays homage to a classic (1st ED and Design) to one of the classic heroine.

It does not have, however, girls using magic. It is the perfect example why using "Mahou Shoujo" to any series with girls that change outfit does not work and makes the term mean literally nothing.

>>159488231
Yes, both the 1960s and the 1980's versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4H_NEw3BA

>>159488275
>not magic
>Talking costume that uses blood to give you superhuman strength
Sounds like magic to me faggot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

>>159488273
If you can't pick an example on your own you are literally retarded and/or you knowledge of the genre is severely lacking. Fuck off.

>>159488231
It didn't, mostly. Though Sally, being a witch, could transform her outfit and/or into other persons/things. It was not a major plot point though.

Akko-chan used it far more, but her transformation was not into an "ideal persona". First episode she turns into her teacher and her dad.

The trope really started going with Minky Momo, and, more importantly, Creamy Mami, and was already a staple by the end of the 80s.

>>159488348
I guess Star Trek is a magic series then, considering it has teleportation.

>>159488310
lol
You know that's not what people mean by transformations. Sally doesn't transform to order use magic, nor transform before using magic. She just uses the magic sometimes to transform things.

>>159488358
If we're to consider Cutey Honey a Mahou Shoujo now, then transforming really began with that.

>>159488358
>It didn't, mostly
Meaning it did, and she did it in literally every episode.
I also noticed you still can't think of an example of a magical girl show without transformations. But hurling insults is clearly a much better tactic.
>knowledge of the genre is severely lacking
A genre with less than 500 works, that has had so few worth knowing about that every single one is probably name-dropped in this thread. Yup, my knowledge is so far less than yours otaku-senpai.

>>159488448
>that's not what people mean by transformations
>changing appearance using magic to represent your identity and ability as a magic user
Sorry that it doesn't last for 7 minutes you brainlet.

>>159488046
Make all of them bicurious and give them girlfriends

>>159488422
You could make a pretty good case to be honest. It also has several characters who are psychics and Q. Also, all the mystic pseudo-religious elements of DS9 were very fantasy.

People have been saying that about Star Wars since it came out. The line between sci-fi and fantasy is literally calling your glowing stick a "wand" or a "sonic screwdriver." That's it, the genres are incredibly similar.

>>159488180
Being first doesn't mean you invented something. Is this concept a bit too troubling for your brain? No one asked you to spout common knowledge.

>>159488473
>She did it every episode.
What are you babbling? 90% of it was something casual like she changing from pyjamas to her normal outfit. And even then, that did not happen every episode or even often.

>>159488618
That's what science fantasy is for

>>159488626
>Being first doesn't mean you invented something
Okay.

>>159488626
What is the show that defined Mahou Shoujo then?

>>159488626
>Being first doesn't mean you invented something.
what the fuck am I reading

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>>159488626
>Being first doesn't mean you invented something.

>>159488718
>>159488783
>>159488827
It could work in some situations. Imagine there is a genre that a certain show makes big, but then we discover that there is an older show that can be considered an atypical entry to that genre. That show had no influence, and did not contribute to defining the genre, but it's still a part of it, and it's first. But it did not invent the genre, because it was defined and influenced by something that came later.
Not so sure it fits with the examples given here, though. But in theory, the concept of being first without inventing it works.

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>>159488718
>>159488783
>>159488827

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>>159459703

>>159489028
That's why we have the word "popularize", one with a distinct meaning from "invent" for the exact reasons you said.

In any case it doesn't work here because Toei did both for the Magical Girl anime genre. That anon is retarded no matter how it's said.

>>159489033
Yeah funny Fate meme.

>>159488750
I used the word invent. And I don't know. All I know is that Toei rarely produces original IPs.

>>159488675
Still can't think of an example? That's because every magical girl show has transformations you complete moron.

>>159460575
>That one guy who almost got raped by a spider monstergirl in cutie honey
god i wish that were me

>>159467907
This is number 1 on my want list. I'm probably just going to watch it unsubbed eventually.

>>159489559
>Moving the goal so hard.
Nevertheless, since you consider changing outfits, even if without fanfare, without the purpose to change your identity, and even if she just changed into pyjamas, to be a transformation, it is truly hard to think of a magic user girl who doesn't do that. Sarutobi Ecchan.

But only at the cost of you raping the meaning of the word "transformation", which is fitting for your liberal use of the word "Magical Girl."

>>159488523
Did you read me say anything about lasting 7 minutes? No, but I guess reading is too fucking difficult for you, it's easier to just call people names than to read.

>changing appearance using magic to represent your identity and ability as a magic user
When it's not a requirement or a precursor, it's not a transformation in the sense that everyone else uses the term in reference to magical girl shows. Cutey Honey transforms. Creamy Mami transforms. Sailor Moon transforms. Precures transform. The only one in that video you posted that's a transformation, and isn't just casually using magic is Nana SOS.

But whatever, keep thinking that using magic to change into a swimsuit is a mahou shoujo transformation.

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I honestly think MGRP is one of the best things ever, outside of Unmarked.

>>159489740
Sarutobi Ecchan is a ninja, nice try though.
>your liberal use of the word "Magical Girl."
It's a genre that's been around for going on 50+ years. There are a diverse amount of shows that fit into it.
Just like How Astro Boy, GaoGaiGar, and Mahoromatic are all mecha anime, despite having very little in common. That's just how genres work.

>>159489915
>>159489955
That girl who looked like she transformed into a princess on the balcony by looking into the mirror looks like it could be a proper transformation?
Have you seen that anime so you know it doesn't matter to the story?

>>159489955
>keep thinking that using magic to change into a swimsuit is a mahou shoujo transformation
How is that any different from changing into a stewardess outfit or a bike jacket?

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>>159489955
>keep thinking that using magic to change into a swimsuit is a mahou shoujo transformation
It can be.

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>>159489955
>He doesn't think magical swimsuit transformations count.
Pleb.

>>159490134
The point of having the simple scenes where they change clothes with magic is simply to show how the characters casually use magic in their day to day life, it marks nothing of importance. It's no different from levitating the tea pot. It's just one of many small things that help build up the idea that they know magic.
A proper transformation, in comparison, would actually be a part of the structure or plot of the show. It would impact things, or mark important events.

>>159490126
Yeah fine Akko can count, her power IS transforming though, the adult transformation isn't a standard or anything. But yeah, in reality she transforms each epsiode whenever she does something, so sure, it counts.

>>159490134
If they changed into a stewardess outfit or bike jacket frequently, whenever they had to use magic on a larger scale, then yeah it'd be a transformation. Someone using magic one or two episodes to change into a bike jacket to go ride a non magical bike is not a transformation.

>>159490236
This is a magical girl transformation.

>>159490418
>The point of having the simple scenes where they change clothes with magic is simply to show how the characters casually use magic in their day to day life
That's because they weren't action shows. They were slice-of-life shows.

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jesus christ its this thread again

magical girls started as a bewitched ripoff and were just kids programming with some magic involved

minky momo is the most influential thing on the genre "features" as they stand today including otakubaiting and regular transformation

the only studio that has ever regularly made magical girl shows is toei and they're still churning them out, nothing's really changed. demographics never changed. there's zero overlap between seinen and shoujo

precure is literally made for little girls under 10 and at least half of the seasons have male love interests (or at least what a 7 year old can conceptualize as love)

CCS reboot will be utter ass

Sailor Moon looks great, you're a subhuman if you can't appreciate the art style

think that's all

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It was already saved by a car commercial of all things.

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>>159490592
>that pic

>>159490537
I think the thing is that there is no point to those transformations. The change would have happened anyway, and they are completely independent on magic. Everything would have happened even if they didn't know magic at all. They would still have changed from pyjamas into day clothes.

>>159490643
Thread over. The pleiades-shitters have showed up.
You people are worse then kemono friends faggots.

>>159490126
That is Akko-chan. She transforms into a variety of things, on that same episode, for example, she transforms into a copy of her dad. But she is a precursor for sure.

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>>159490865
What?

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>>159487769
What about Fuuka?

>>159492216
I'm counting the subject of your shitpost spamming with the intent of killing Nanoha threads in that statement, yes.

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>>159482202

>Using buzzwords

Back to /v/ my dude

>>159492424
but /v/ told me to come to /a/

>>159489731
Or the alternative is watching with spanish/french/german subs unfortunaley

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>>159459666
>How do we save the magical girl genre?

with Flip Flappers S2

>>159493728
Vivid Strike s2 while we're asking.

>>159493600
Where are there french subs? I can handle frog better than moon.

>>159493757
You should go back to /v/ with your edgy shonentrash while you're at it.

>>159494033
I don't think that's an insult.

>>159459666
wtf is with those weird hair wings that make up her side bangs? It looks dumb and not possible without a ton of hairgel. I've seen it before too, was this just a thing for early 2000s anime?

>>159495879
it's cute

>>159495879
Just part of the intake for optimal cooling