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>double pay wall to watch shows with exclusive streaming rights

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>double pay wall to watch shows with exclusive streaming rights
>having to wait till the end of the season/series to release for muh bulk watching
Can these two just fuck off and leave anime alone?
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>>159448857
What did Netflix do?
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>>159448857
If they buy out the whole market I'll just start working on my backlog until they figure out simulcasting and subscription structures.
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>>159448857
No, we have to wait for Amazon and Netflix to crush Funimation and Crunchyroll into the ground.
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>>159449807
actually, I wouldn't mind if that happened.
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>>159448857
Just pirate it.
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>>159448857
You should be thankful to Netflix. It brought UTW back twice and gg once from the ded. Mark my words, if Netflix starts licensing more anime each season, it will singlehandedly revive fan subbing
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>>159448857
>paying

HAHAHAH
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>>159450168
What did Netflix pick up?
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>paying
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>>159450303
Kakegurui and Fate/Apocrypha this season. At least Kujira no Kora wa Sajou ni Utau next season.
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>>159448857
Could be worse. I had to move back to Japan and can't watch any anime here. Streaming sites are blocked and can't torrent. Feels bad man.
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>streaming
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No, even if shitty we need more competition. Especially for the next few years
Fakku needs competition also
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>>159449747
If that shit happens maybe fansubbing will spring back to life.
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>killing of CR makes fansubs come back
nah netflix is saving us and screwing with normalfags
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>>159448857
>horriblesubs exist
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>>159449696
Netflix doesn't release episodes 1 at a time. If they buy exclusive rights to an anime there won't be any translations to rip until they release the whole thing at once at the end of the season.
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>>159450954
jesus dude I guess I didn't realize they actually stop you from pirating. I just thought the consequences were harsh. Is it just your ISP or is everyone's all fuckered?
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>>159450954
>can't torrent
buy a vpn/seedbox you shitter
~70% of nyaa's traffic was from nips and other asians, so it's not like it's impossible to pirate weebshit in japan
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>>159450954
wait, how did japs managed to torrent in Japan on a japanese IP then?
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I appreciate Netflix for funding some decent stuff, but outside of that there is no reason to support pretty much any American anime company. None of them contribute a significant amount of money through licensing fees. You want to support a studio or author directly, go buy their merch
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>>159451109
That's only because fansubbing is dead and 99% of all anime sub releases are just ripping official streams. It's a fucking joke.
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>>159451170
He's a retard, it's not hard
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>>159451150
>Netflix kills CR
>fansubbing revives
>publishers still get their cut
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>>159450168
>>159451038

fansubs are dead?
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>>159451260
How much do you watch that isn't HS?
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>Netflix releases shows that air weekly in the US on a weekly basis in other countries
>but they refuse to do this for anime as it airs in Japan
Amazon's double paywall is retarded but at least you can still pirate that shit. Netflix and their retarded binge-watch release model is 100% cancer.
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>>159449807
>>159449862
>Being so retarded you want netflix translations
May as well watch commie meme subs
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>>159448857
>Jews
>not wrapping their tentacles around everything
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>>159450954
can u not moon? my japanese friends say they pirate anime in japan all the time
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Netflix is good for anime. Pushes the market further into the west so we will get less fuck your little sister shows.
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>>159450420
>Fate/Apocrypha
Only Netflix Japan licensed it. It will not be released in the west.
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>>159451824
>implying this is good
If there's anyone with worse taste than Japs, it's Americans.
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>>159451367
>not learning japanese
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>>159451202
Only one I don't support is Aniplex, fuck them
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netflix is the best thing that has happened to the anime community in a long time.

it gives a possibility for a fansubbing revival.
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>>159448857
They need to plan out when to inject their liberal agenda
Can't do that on a weekly release
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>There are people in this thread stupid enough to think killing CR is good.
Yea I'm sure those niggerstream tier fansubs you want for unfathomable reasons will last long when Amazon decides to brandish their money
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>>159452066
cr didnt kill fansubs because of higher quality
cr killed fansubs because it was just faster
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>>159452560
^
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>>159450954
Sounds like you are just retarded
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>>159450954
>buy ten dollar a month VPN
>torrent without any issues
>access streaming without any issues

You're too retarded to be here, kill yourself.
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>>159452779
Does tunnelbear work?
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>>159452779
>buy
You too
>install opera
>stream without any issues with their builtin vpn
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>>159452858
>using a VPN that tracks and records your activities

No.
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>>159452846
Just go check the /g/ wiki for recs
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>>159452846
>>159452960
But also don't make a post asking what's the best VPN on /g/. We are not your personal tech support or consumer guide.
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>>159452933
Why would i care that some chink knows that i have mediocre taste? Do you think they would care to cooperate with their sworn enemies from island?
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>>159448857
No. EOPs deserve to suffer. Kanji up or shut up.
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>spending your hardworking money on a childish hobby
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>>159452560
>>159452606
>t. EOPs
CR was generally of higher quality, so much so fansubbing was basically taking CR scripts and editing them. Either with memes/liberalization(commie) or making small fixes and adding honorifics.
>n-no muh shinsensubs, eclipse, doki, gg, hiryuu subs were high quality and always accurate
Even mangastream gets a chapter completely right now and then but they're generally shit.
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>>159451850
Just download
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>paying for anime
reinforces the wrong market desu. only buy BDs and merch from series that inspire you to do so, help maintain quality control.
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>>159453285
sure thing BRO
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>>159453285
But netfilx fund shows, unlike craproll
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>>159453320
this
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>>159453320
>>159453373
was I defending CR? netflix doesn't fund anything good, anyway. they are part of the problem. let shows sell themselves via quality.
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>>159453320
too bad their subs are the worst of the 3
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>>159453320
>>159453373
>/a/ is becoming so normalfag it unironically defends netflix
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>>159453465
This is the opinion of someone who knows nothing about how anime is made
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>>159453320
how much of a baka are you?
Netflix does almost the same thing as CR. It's just licenses.
Netflix will be the cancer to the industry in Japan.
Heavy censoring and altering will ensue for murrica
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>>159453506
this is the opinion of someone who knows nothing about how anime is made before the year 2010
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>>159453506
get out.
you don't know how anime is made obviously.
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>>159453498
They give money to the studio unlike CR or Funi.
Plus, they don't release the show till the quarter is over so it gives fansubbers something to sub.
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>>159453552
Do you even know what role a production committee plays?
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>>159453582
investments by people interested in profiting from the success of the series. corporate giants like netflix who have nothing to lose harm this process.
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What is NOT being subbed by horriblesubs...?
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>>159453578
They give the lowest amount needed to the studio. Once it's released the studio has to play the guessing game if anyone liked it or not since no one reviews shit on netflix.
Season 2's of animes will be scarce as fuck. God forbid they buy out the rights to the big 5.
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>>159453570
don't tell me what to do and you don't know if I know it or not
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>>159453623
Bullshit. More options is always better, and Netflix has produced some decent anime. Don't reply to this post with a hissyfit about how you don't like anything they've produced
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>>159451824
Yeah because shit like Steven Universe with all that tranny fags nigger shit stuffed into it is so much better. Fucking /co/.
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>>159453717
>normalfag
>Amercanizing anime

Anime will be dead because of people like you. Go back to disney channel
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>>159453666
https://fansubdb.com/wiki/Summer_2017

Everything by Netflix and anything that isn't licensed won't be ripped (obviously)
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>>159453498
They fund shows, studios can less rely on bd and maybe pander to me.
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>>159453759
I told you not to do this. Go be a little bitch somewhere else
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>>159453578
netflix will only leech on the industry, investing <20% of what they determine their profit margin is from anime funding. they are too big to be negatively impacted, and won't invest themselves in the quality of a series.
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>>159453717
>and Netflix has produced some decent anime.
such as?
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>>159453786
It's that or anime becomes all about the Chinese int eh future. Personally I'd rather we get more LWAs than the shit the chinks like
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>>159453786
>They fund shows, studios can less rely on bd
I am literally arguing that this is the problem. when studios rely on BD, they have to maintain a level of quality.
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>>159453776
So UTW for fate and RH for kake. Really not a big deal at all.
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>>159453789
You corrupt the hobby that I enjoy. Go fuck yourself with steven universe shit merc.
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>>159453776
I only spot two shows for Netflix. It isn't that bad (yet)
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>>159451259
Why do you faggots want fansubbing back? This is faster, and guarantees more subs are getting subbed.

And you can't complain about quality because the same faggots getting paid by CR to do this shit are the same ones who were fansubbing years ago. And they're not interested in going back to a no-pay system so they're not going to do shit if things do fall apart.
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>>159453849
Studios don't rely on BD sales because they get paid by contract. Also, if they were really concerned about quality (just in the industry in general), they wouldn't be working on episodes two weeks before they air.
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>>159453717
>More options is always better
I prefer quality over quantity. anime was better in the 00s. we had less series, but better series. quality control has been slipping dramatically for years. the last thing that will help is a corporate giant releasing mcanime after mcanime.
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>>159451109
They do this cause they dub in like 5 extra languages. It's unnecessary but im sure really appreciated and helps boost the shows viewer ship by a larger amount than you would expect
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>>159453901
Sucks though because it seems like Kakegurui is pretty fun
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>>159453920
>studios rely on BD
>but not when it doesn't suit my argument
???
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>>159453849
Or they can fuck up to the point it looks(might as well be) intentional when shit air. And then excuse "will be fixed in bd!"
Treating air like a fucking ad. Though most of anime is already some sort of ad to LNs or games. If netflix start fund things we might get more original and better shit.
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>>159453926
Fucking nostalgiafags, every time. Anime was just as shit in the 00's as it is today.
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>>159448857
>paying for anime
>paying for shit anime
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>>159453915
Because the fansubbers have to cater to American censoring and altering everything to be kid friendly.

No one wants kid friendly anime.
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CR is the lesser evil, they are made up out of fansubbers anyways.
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>>159453926
>anime was better in the 00s. we had less series, but better series.
haha nope
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>>159448857
>Learn moon
>Watch raws
I came here to laugh at you.
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>>159453717
Ajin would have been good if they actually threw money for a real studio instead of paying for a cheap unreal engine job.

Shows how little they care
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>>159453975
>Anime was just as shit in the 00's as it is today
I love these reverse contrarians they are pure retardation
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>>159453975
still waiting for you to list those netflix series you said are good.
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>>159453956
What's stopping you from watching the Reisen and RH releases?
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Popularity kills.
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>>159453960
BD sales aren't as a big of a deal as /a/ likes to make it out. Buying a shit ton doesn't mean that money actually goes back to the studios, because that's not how they get paid at all. It shows producers that there's a good fanbase for a property, but that's it.
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>>159454020
this. I started browsing /djt/ everyday and learned japanese and know i understand what happens in every time
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>>159450168
>Netlifx
>We are the internet savy website and look at torrent numbers to figure out what to license.
>Doesn't simulcast anime.
>Netlix takes over anime
>Fansubbing comes back, Netflix CEO why aren't our numbers going up??!! Maybe we need more localization.
>Netflix stops to sub, and proceeds to dub all anime.
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>>159453975
I know you're young and new. This is too obvious. No one is falling for your underage b&
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>>159453975
the problem isn't nostalgiafags, it's newfags who have only been watching anime for a few years and don't know anything about the quality drop. animation quality has been in objectively a steady decline since the late 90s.
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>>159454004
CR teamed up with Funi so they could own a monopoly of the whole western market
Little did they know 2 big fish would show up leaving them with scraps
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>>159454004
Seems they unfortunately picked up a commiedev for Gabriel DropOut. They even came here to defend their shit like Hells Bells, kitchen sink, etc..
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>>159454059
>>>/v/
cancer
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>>159454047
>/a/non subs
No reason to trust that they're remotely decent, unfortunately
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>>159454031
I want you to go talk to one of those guys who grew up on 90's anime instead of shit like Code Geass, so you both can bitch about how much better anime was when you were a teenager
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>>159450168
thats not a particularly good thing. fansubbing era is overrated because of nostalgia
>different sub groups dont agree on how to translate a certain important aspect
>swears translated to be more vulgar and edgier swears than they actually are
>watermarks
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>>159454070
it goes to the producers, who when they aren't big faceless foreign giants play an active role in maintaining series quality. and, studios make royalties.
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>>159454114
>He seriously believes this
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>>159454124
The same will happen to anime. It happened with 4chan as well.
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>>159454085
Feel like your Japanese is probably worse than your English
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>>159454131
>code geass
>shit
get out of neo-/a/ NOW
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>>159454016
children...
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>>159454103
>>159454114
I don't get it, how do you guys fall for your own nostalgia goggles so hard, every time. Go back and give it an objective look. It's massively obvious just how much of what comes out every year is shit.
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>>159454115
Funny is that Sentai probably partnered with Amazon because of the Funi CR partnership.
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>>159454176
Lucky Star and Haruhi were also shit, but you liked them because you were young and didn't know any better.
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>>159454164
Why are you greentexting -wrong- like a /v/ermin?
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>>159454183
Yeah, that's why they started putting their shows on Anime Strike
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>>159454166
Only /a/ thinks anime isn't well liked and accepted by normies in their mid to late 20s and below.
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>>159450954
You're a fucking idiot. I live in Tokyo and torrent nonstop. But a VPN and a seedbox, you idiot.
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>>159454180
I have over 800 series logged. I'm acutely aware of the quality of anime from the late 60s to present. 97-07 is easily identifiable as the peak of high quality animation to anyone who isn't new to the medium.
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>>159451850
November 7th is the premier date for US
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>>159454179
>>159454179
>>159454179
>>159454179
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>>159454208
they both have far superior animation quality to today's series, where even the best are plagued with CG.
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i'm reading this thread as someone who hasn't come to /a/ for a few years and it seems like anime has become such a fucking nightmare of a medium. i guess the only answer is to learn japanese and torrent raws.
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>>159454245
there's like high quality animation every season though
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>>159454271
No seriously, I want to see you argue with one of those "cell shading is the only acceptable form of coloring" idiots
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>>159454235
well i'm a little girl and love it
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>>159454059
When are you going to add 2017?
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>>159454284
I took japanese for a couple of years and I'm picking it back up right now because of the crisis.
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>>159454284
Shit is the same as it always was. The only difference is now meme subs are bad because they're official, where as before meme subs were good because they were made with "love"
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>>159454236
Don't insult me. It's not my fault I need to be a hacker in order to watch anime if it isn't via tv
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>>159454245
Hilarious
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>>159454271
It's nartual progression.
2D --> modern 2D --> 3D --> virtual reality --> A.I. & robots --> anime becomes real.
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>>159454295
such as? from the last few seasons. I already know the answer to this and the best animated shows are riddled with CG.
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>>159454302
don't ruin my shitpost
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>>159454338
>VPN and seedbox
>hacker
You're impressively fucking stupid. Why are you here and how are you shitting up the country?
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>>159454070
BD sales are a big deal. Merch sales are just as big of a deal as well. Money comes from sales not from just views. This is basic business shit.
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>>159454356
There's nothing inherently wrong with CG, and the japs are getting better with it all the time. You're just not used to it yet. Give it twenty years and you'll forget you ever thought it was terrible, as you move on to whatever the next major breakthrough in animation technology is.
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>>159454365
don't false flag me
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>>159454284
>torrent
But yeah, it's looking that way. We're all overreacting right now but the hysteria is based on some consistent trends. It may very well become as bad as we're predicting within five years from now.

I kind of wish HS never happened. It would have preserved fansubs and we would have been better prepared for what's about to happen in the coming decade.
As it stands now we're really going to have to adapt a little if we want to keep watching autistic chinese cartoons (without knowing japanese).

On the other hand, having a huge wall of 'learn japanese' might re-shrink the demographic and reduce the western market for anything but the simulcast content.
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>>159454271
>they both have far superior animation quality to today's series
says you, abonymous
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>>159448857
>Using netflix
https://stallman.org/netflix.html
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>>159451850
>Only Netflix Japan licensed it. It will not be released in the west.
Fate/Apocrypha will be on other Netflix at November 2017. Kakegurui is the one which is still unknown.
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>>159453886
>You corrupt the hobby that I enjoy.

Your appreciation is helpful, Thank You anon.
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>>159454271
>>159454302
Digital coloring is fine, but CGshit is pure cancer.

>>159454403
CG isn't new, you fucking idiot. How long do you think it's been around?

>>159454356
Hero Academia
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>>159454373
BD sales are less relevant every season, that's why the success line keeps dropping. There are way too many other ways to make money, and people are just less likely to buy physical media as time goes on.
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>>159448857
The best part about Amazon's Anime STRIKE is that they never release on time.

Not a single fucking show they had last season released on schedule.

So you have to pay for Amazon Prime, then AGAIN for STRIKE, all to get late shows with garbage subs.
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>>159454403
while I agree with you, CG has done nothing over the last decade but cause a steady decline of visual quality in anime. paired with less cell and background work and lower average framerate from the previous decade, it's totaled out into catastrophe.
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>>159454455
This is the era of digital media, selling DVDs/BD will soon go the way of VHS.
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>>159454453
>Hero Academia
>high quality
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>>159454004
>Through the dark lord amen
>EVER being lesser evil
CR is memesubs
i'm also mad about western name order but that's a subject for another day
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>>159454422
says framerate, number of unique cells, and number of unique backgrounds.
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>>159454059
>women kill our hobby interests

/r9k/ is that way
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new thread >>159454488

>>159454488
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>>159454453
Most of how CG is used on modern animation is new, we just generalize it because most people aren't familiar with the tools and techniques.
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>>159454481
You got a source on that lower average framerate?
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>>159454124
>>159454311
>>159454523
Stop white knighting, she isn't going to fuck you.
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>>159454356
BnH
Granblue (the first half)
Youjo Senki
ACCA
Hand Shakers (30% serious here)
Eromanga Sensei
SukaSuka
Alice to Zourouku
Re:Creators
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>>159454502
Watch the Yutapon episode, you dumb nigger. That's some of the best animation from any time period.
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>>159454453
>hero academia
explains some things about you.
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>>159454436
>A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such a threat to freedom that I felt uncomfortable with promoting its use in this way
I like Stallman, but man what a fucking autist
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>>159454180
I didn't watch dub.

That's the difference between me and you.
Now get out.
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>>159454523
>only robots can identify the anathema that is women in hobbies
Some are fine but if they get anywhere near 50/50 you have a problem.
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>>159454523
>liking 3DPD
The state of /a/ is heartbreaking
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>>159454509
They had some meme cartelfag actively ruining that series for english users. The spanish subs were perfect
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merchandising > royalties > bd sells > internet shit

this is the degree or importance and if you disagree you are retarded
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>>159454582
I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about man
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>>159454498
>>159454498
People are so fucking retarded for doing this.

Putting convince over the act of actually owning something. When companies discontinue services or movies, comics and games are removed or altered due to licensing disputes or legal issues they have no right to cry about supporting a DRM infested system.
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>>159454478
Sentai's shows are the delayed ones
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>>159454095
>Netflix stops to sub, and proceeds to dub all anime.
Netflix is already doing dubs for series which they have though.
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>>159454599
Unless you're chinese, in which case you should move internet shit above bd sales
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>>159454531
No it's not, you absolute retard.

>>159454569
>I don't like the show so the animation is bad
I think the person in your reaction image is smarter than your are.
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>>159454553
>genuinely wanted a 2017 entry
>hur hur white knight
Don't shit post at people who are on your side, kike
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I'd rather anime die than people be allowed to enjoy or even hate it without giving it support.

You may think that's hypocritical but I'm actually so rich I do buy DBs of shows that even reach 6/10 for me and I don't watch otherwise.
I also have Japanese cable.
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>>159454418
why are you trying to be me
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>>159454642
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>>159454563
>>159454642
kill yourself, cancer
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>>159454606
You act like current DVDs and BDs aren't already loaded with DRM. To use a DVD player you need a player that can decrypt it and most GNU/Linux distros for example won't include DVD playing by default because it's proprietary.
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>>159454670
>Say something completely wrong
>Get told you're wrong
>Shitpost as hard as you can
Good job.
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>>159454646
>hardly enough money to go out for drinks or to see a movie
>tight show string budget
>p-ppay $100~ for a season goy
No thanks
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>>159454709
>know nothing about animation
>tell someone they're wrong
>w-why aren't they listening to me mom????
lol
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>>159454557
nice try, but I watched literally all of those other than hero(it's for ten year olds) and know you are full of shit. none of these stack up to lucky star or haruhi. granblue is pretty but is traced CG. don't even know where you come off mentioning EMS with it's constantly re-used backgrounds and cells, R:C with it's 10 minute mouth animations and alice with it's CG and animation errors.
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>>159454588
When will kinomod save us again?

One the these days I was banned while telling a legitimate redditor to go back to plebbit, not even fucking kidding.
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>>159454642
yasuna is a genius. did you even watch KMB?
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>>159454576
I agree with a lot of what he says but sometimes I just cant help but laugh at some of the crazy things he says.
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>>159454755
Holy shit, you unironically think Lucky Star is good. There's no saving you man, you've surgically attached those nostalgia goggles to your face and they are never coming off
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>>159454780
>>159454576
Stallman is a bit in his own world at times, but his autism never fails to amuse.
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>>159454690
>I don't like the show so the animation is bad
Kill yourself, retard.

>>159454748
>CG now is used completely differently than it was 20 years ago so you can't comment on it!
>No, they haven't had time to improve and better implement the same technology because what's used now is completely incomparable to the old stuff
You're a graphic design student wasting your time learning a shitty trade and pretending to be an expert, aren't you?
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>>159454722
>Poorfags think they deserve enjoyment

You know what just never mind.
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>Bitch about CR, just because (even though you more than gladly downloaded HS)
>Netflix and Amazon begin licensing Chinese cartoons as well
>They're worse than CR, since they don't do timely weekly releases
BOO FUCKING HOO, FAGGOTS!
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>>159454786
the question is animation quality, which lucky star's is great. though yes, lucky star is incredible. it's also a classic "how-to-spot-a-pleb" anime because people new to the medium typically hate it.
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Why does everyone hate crunchyroll?
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>>159454694
There's a huge difference between a physical copy and a copy stored on a server that only exists on the whims of a publisher.

DVD player software is also legally free for anyone to replicate.
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>>159454810
I'm not saying you can't comment on it, bro. I'm saying that the CG tools being used today aren't the same as the ones we were using 20 years ago, so talking about what we're seeing now as a new thing for the industry to get used to using and for audiences to get used to seeing is valid. Follow this line of replies back up, figure out the context of the conversation before you continue.
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Why does everyone hate everything?
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>>159454851
Little bit more complicated than that, reason why DVD playback comes in OS X and windows is because they pay for it.
https://www.howtogeek.com/138969/why-watching-dvds-on-linux-is-illegal-in-the-usa/
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>>159454849
>paying for anime before you know if it's any good
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>>159454867
>Compeer technology has changed so CG is completely different and the new stuff is completely different to the old stuff so you can't judge it
I get it, you're a fucking idiot wasting your time learning how to make garbage.
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>>159454830
Dude, Lucky Star is the epitome of what happens when new tech comes out and people have absolutely no idea how to use it. It's innovative, but it's also horrible. The animation quality does not even remotely stack up today, and the jokes were always garbage in-jokes which age terribly.
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>>159454849
Because they're newfags who don't remember what it was like before Crunchyroll came to power.
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>>159454921
You don't get it, but I can't make you go re-read the context
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>>159454930
>The animation quality does not even remotely stack up today
what? did you watch it?
>and the jokes were always garbage in-jokes which age terribly.
oh, no, you're just spewing anecdotes you heard here. try watching the series.
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>>159454941
More inconsistent. Probably objectively worse for access. But undoubtedly much more fun.
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>>159454968
No, the problem is that you think you've made a point, when in reality you haven't.
>Y-You just don't understand what I'm saying!
I do, and what you're saying is fucking retarded.
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>>159454988
I'm starting to wonder if you're mixing it up with Nichijou, because nothing I'm saying should be controversial
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>>159454867
i'm not your bro
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CG is shit. I don't care how well it will look in the future it looks shit now and is used too much.
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What is pissing me off is there is WAY TOO MANY STREAMING SITES that you need to pay to watch. and it's getting out of hand like steam, origin and uplay... it's like everyone wants a piece of the fucking anime scene here. ugh annoying as fuck. thank god I buy my shit on blu-ray if it's worth it.
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>>159454941
This
People don't remember, or simply have no idea, what it was having to wait for a sub, because the group hadn't finished the fucking karaoke.

Also, people bitch about gg or Commie memes, but older fansubs were bad, whilst not trying to be bad.
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>>159454115
Funi has shounenshit series that sell like crazy they aren't pushovers, they will merge or buy out CR eventually and amazon or netflix will fall off.
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>>159448857
Amazon does simulcasts I thought? Only Netflix is complete shit.
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>>159455026
nichijou has incredible animation. lucky star just has animation that surpassed today's, with smooth framerate and original cell-work in every scene. you bringing up nichijou irrelevantly only further reinforces your opinions are recycled from what you've read here and not watching anime itself.
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>>159454941
It's just so convenient compared to buying scratched dvds at Hastings.
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>>159455043
Jews gonna Jew.
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>>159453666
You ought to know, Satan.
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>>159454849
indoctrination.

It was so bad back in the day there were anons who thought commie's liberal memesubs were better.
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>>159454830
Lucky Star is legitimately bad though. It also served as signal for the end times. People like you probably think Euphonium is amazing.
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>>159454988
>oh, no, you're just spewing anecdotes you heard here. try watching the series.
Not that guy, but are you being serious?
LS contains many references to anime that were airing at the time.
If you're not familiar with those, plenty of the jokes will fall flat.
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>>159455058
Nah, you're full of shit. Even the newest of fags is likely to have encountered waiting for subs. Last season we had Asenshi and this season we have commie. To think the only people that don't want CR are new is a joke. It's more accurate to say only impatient fags want HS/CR.
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>>159455083
OK dude, keep making false assumptions instead of arguments
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>>159455094
dude overtime you will pay way more money to watch a few shows then owning it on Blu-ray and DVD, Don't give me this Jew shit. do the math and episode per week and multiple accounts if needed to watch crap from 3 or 4 different sites over time. it gets bad you just don't know yet...
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It's going to get worse when piracy becomes impossible because no group wants to get v&'d.
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>>159455205
Has this ever happened in any industry
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>>159454523
>noo i don't like you abusing women
>ree go to >>>/b/oard
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>fags not liking having to wait for subs
I miss the old days of waiting with /a/.
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>>159455205
>piracy becomes impossible
Keep dreaming, Mr. Shekelberg
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>>159455150
Dude, fansubs only account for a small fraction of anime these days, and they don't even do the most popular works, since those are likely licensed.

The newest of fags, at worst, have had to wait for 1 show per season. Back then it was like that for all the shows, and sometimes some shows were picked by fucking no one.
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>>159455043
In total it's $21 a month if you exclude Amazon, $26 if you can pay for just Anime Strike, and $26 + $100 if you have to pay for Prime to use Strike. It's only really four sites, and you can probably just pay for CR and something else and get the majority of shows licensed.
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>>159455279
I hate spoilers. You can get the same experience every week before the Jump chapters get translated, it's not that fun
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>>159450954
Buy the Blu-rays, you filthy gaijin.
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>>159455303
>and sometimes some shows were picked by fucking no one
Except this still happens.
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>a timeline where anime only gets dubs
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>>159455279
It's not as if we liked waiting back in the day.
Take off your nostalgia goggles please.
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>>159455348
Only the absolute bottom of the barrel obscure shit. If you're interested in it you should already know moon anyway
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>>159455301
>ISPs blocking any kind of torrenting
>Serious penalties for piracy or associating with digital piracy
>Groups getting raided by police or shutting down out of fear
Yeah, it's all just illusion we are in 1984.
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Do you even need to have Amazon Prime to subscribe to their anime strike thing?
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>>159455371
I am basically language retarded. I did moon in school and it was the only class I wasn't getting A-Bs in. In fact, I got Ds
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>>159455348
Shows that pretty much no one cares about.

You would have been lucky to have stuff like, say, ACCA to get subs, 10 years ago.
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>>159455372
Torrenting is not illegal and will never be made illegal, it's just file sharing and has legitimate purpose
The other two things you listed are pure fantasy
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>>159454596
>The spanish subs were perfect
I agree. A lot of times they're better.
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>>159455205
It never occurs like that. Think waxing and waning. There's always someone who wants to cut in on the industry and has the know-how to do so.

Torrents should have been abolished already, honestly. They're too open and weak. If you use torrents for anything other than files that you can't find anywhere else, you're stupid.
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>>159455080
yes but there service is expensive as fuck on a per year basis since Anime Strike is an added deal for those that already pay for a regular Amazon account. So if you want it for just anime you have to pay for additional services you don't care about.
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>>159455320

shitty thing is it adds up over time and it's painful. plus in canada my god man try doubling that up almost and that is what we pay so a lot of us here just stream shows on random sites to see if it's good and buy it when it comes out to support the creators and own a physical copy of the show. but I guess not everyone is like that now due to streaming age of media.
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>streaming anime
>paying for anime
>streaming anime
>streaming anime
>streaming anime
>streaming anime
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>>159455421
Digital piracy is illegal and governments like the UK want to make a new Internet where it's impossible to do anything without the government knowing it. Often ISPs will assume that using torrents is all for piracy and will just block them all.
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>>159455398
I don't think so.
A t least, even if you've got Prime, you still have to pay for a Anime Strike subscription.
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>>159455119
They were better back then though, thats the thing.
CR was just getting started and their subs were not the best because of this. On the other hand, Commie hadn't gone full retard mode yet because not as many people were complaining about their memesubs and apparently, they find people complaining about their subs absolutely hilarious so they've just been increasing the memes over the years.
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>>159454642
>I think the person in your reaction image is smarter than your are
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>>159455348
No where near to the degree it used to happen.

You used to have six groups shitting out half-assed guess subs for shows like SNK because only the group that got it out fast mattered, while one group chugged along slowly barely working on the lesser known shows.
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>>159454588
Nice meme.
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>>159455324
Spoilerfags are some of the worst posters on this board. It's a bunch of underage third worlders screaming about machine translated Korean raws. I say this as someone who actually knows moon and can read the source material. I don't get livestreams either. A bunch of people watch a show they don't understand and then scream about scenes they don't understand.
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>>159455509
I live in the US, I don't care what kind of authoritarians are elected in bongland it won't happen here. Yes, piracy is illegal, but it's also almost completely unenforced, especially for anime
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>>159455590
The NSA and CIA monitoring your every move was once just a conspiracy too
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>>159454825
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>>159455638
No one with a functioning brain thought it was just a conspiracy. The fact that it came into the open and most people didn't care scares me, though.
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>>159455703
Most normalfags thought it was tinfoil paranoid nonsense until it came to be real. Never say something will never happen in this day and age, it can happen.
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>>159455724
Nah, you can't beat down pirates. They tried, and they tried hard. It's just too easy.
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>>159453211
>>n-no muh shinsensubs, eclipse, doki, gg, hiryuu subs were high quality and always accurate
You forgot Lunar and Live-eviL.

>>159454136
Are you honestly telling me you don't miss Dattebayo's trollsubs? Remember when they released one of the Naruto/Bleach movies, but it was actually the World Series. Hilarious.
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>>159455638
The fun thing is that recording people's behaviour is a common practice these days, that businesses even do it for profit. That's what Big Data is.
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>>159455474
Is Amazon's subs hardsubbed?
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>>159450954
Why the fuck would you move to Japan without knowing Japanese, that sounds so retarded I'm actually laughing at loud.

>I love candy so I moved to a candy factory, turns out I have diabetes but hey, I'm here!
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>>159455279
Why would i want to wait together with these inbreds? I just want to watch anime.
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>>159455803
No
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>>159455815
He's probably a JET guy.
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>>159455815
I'm not him, I'm a grad student in Japan. My field of study has nothing to do with moon, but I studied before I came here and still study now. I see other students who virtually know no moon and it blows my mind. Don't even get me started on the English "teachers" who live in areas outside Tokyo where no one knows English and still don't learn moon after living here for 3+ years.
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>>159455767
I still have Lunar Bleach subs backed up on a CD somewhere.

They're RM encodes.

The pranks are the only things I really miss personally. Dattebayo was good for that.
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>>159448857
>that stream quality aqua
Kill yourself, faggot.
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>>159455895
GG, too. I can't imagine watching Madoka for the first time without Morning Rescue butting in
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>>159455538
I'm talking like 2011 and on. When retards posted some sub comparison blog run by some fat faggot who didn't understand a word of japanese and judged subs based on font, abbreviations, and turning everything said into a long complete sentence no matter how unnecessary
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>>159454030
I mean, Ajin was waaay better than Sidonia
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>>159456010
I'm hoping that the upcoming devilman movie will be where we turn the corner. If anyone can figure out how to do something great with this tool, it's Yuasa
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>>159456010
Sidionia S1 shits all over Aijin S2
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>>159454755
>cells
Are you stuck in 1990?

>traced CG
Kek.
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>>159454129
>trusting cartel subs over anon
>wasn't here for TTGL, Geass, or any other show when sub groups actually worked to have shit done within hours of release
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>>159456060
Animation-wise no, it doesn't.
Ajin's characters had actual facial expressions
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>>159456089
I wasn't. I used R1 subs for TTGL, and I've never seen Code Geass.
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>>159456105
No I suppose so. I meant in terms of actually watching and enjoying them. Both aijin and sidionia had awful second seasons
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>>159455474
What kind of person in this day and age doesn't use Amazon Prime? Free 2 day shipping alone is worth the yearly fee. inb4 Amazon shill
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>>159454047
Which is better, btw? I downloaded the one that said V2 under the presumption that extra care went into it, but I have no idea who either of these groups are
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>>159456144
Oh yeah absolutely, I was talking more about visual quality.

At least Satou-san is still an amazing character.
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>netflix and amazon buy rights to everything and only release them at the end of the season
>revives fansubs since everyone wants to watch stuff as it airs
Fine by me
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>tfw you want to support anime but the merch is garbage
What do people do with all those acrylic pieces?
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>>159456270
I buy artbooks
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>>159456270
Look at them
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>>159456270
Hot glue
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>>159453926
>00s
>less series
Pretty sure 2007 still holds the record for most anime in one season. You've just forgotten 80% of the shows that aired over the years.
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>>159456270
>Not buying manga, LNs, figs, artbooks, cups, shirts, etc
Shoo, shoo
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>>159456367
I count 128 for all of 2007, and 179 for 2016
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>>159455946
>I can't imagine watching Madoka without Morning Rescue
Fixed that for you. Best commercial in my animes of all time.
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>>159456482
He said one season, not one year. Still it does go to show that the number is increasing.
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>>159456511
I'd be surprised if there was one season so lopsided in 2007 it overcame an average difference of 12 shows per season
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>>159453926
You're blinded by nostalgia

It was worse back then because there was less and they were mostly shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_in_anime
feel free to look through the years
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>>159456583
Fuck that's depressing
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>>159453717
>Netflix
>decent anime
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>>159448857
>Paying for anime
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>>159456270
Just import the manga, if you buy a bunch of Tankobons it's actually cheaper than to buy 1 by 1 from Amazon or whatever the fuck.
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>>159455509
>UK
Found your problem right here. Even 3rd worlder have more freedom than the UK, hell they even encourage it.
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>>159456637
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_in_anime

There's no way that's everything that aired in 2001. Just look at 2000. 124 anime.
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>>159448857
dont worry, when they realize that everyone is just pirating it instead of paying them for it, they will fuck of
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>>159456791
This is probably the complete list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2001_anime_television_series
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>>159456583
>>159456637
>>159456791

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2001_anime_television_series

Here's a better page to check the years on. Still mostly shit
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>>159456583
>1998

>Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040
>Cardcaptor Sakura
>Cowboy Bebop
>El-Hazard: The Alternative World
>Initial D
>Kite
>Outlaw Star
>Record of Lodoss War: Chronicles of the Heroic >Knight
>Serial Experiments Lain
>Trigun

Actually pretty good.
>>
Do people unironically miss fansub drama?
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>>159456842
ja.wikipedia.com is probably a better source here.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2001%E5%B9%B4%E3%81%AE%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC%E3%83%93%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1
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>>159450954
Now I'm tempted to switch my home dedicated torrent server to the Jap IP VPN.
>>159452858
Subpar speed and no out-of-the-box console client.
I'm pretty sure that the second point can be circumvented though, but in zero budget scenario, I would probably prefer tor of i2p.
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>>159451202
I don't want to support a fucking studio or an author. I want a continuation of the anime. Studios can be replaced. The ones who finance the anime are the important people who need to be persuaded with money that it's worthwhile to still make a sequel to the anime show.
Studios can all burn and crash for all anyone cares. All animators can die. There will always be new otaku scum who can be exploited and tricked into replacing them.
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>>159457012
Merch is still a better tactic, American licensing adds very little to the anime industry
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>>159457012
Not really, good animators are a dying breed. Outside of Sunrise who hoards a few and Kyoani, no one is hiring and training young guys how to animate. They just outsource and then hire shit like studio orange.
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>>159457012
There are going to be less replacements for these people because of the declining birth-rate and the fact the burn-out rate for people trying to stay in the animator industry is huge.
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I'm glad that fansubs are dead.
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>>159457049
That might have been true ten-fifteen years ago but as it stands now licensing to Americans does matter.

DRRR's second season was seen as a success because of American licensing if I'm not mistaken. The author said something about it recently. Shows are able to stay more relevant over a longer period of time here and that's leading to shows gaining more money in the long run. That's why there are shows now specifically getting second seasons and revivals due to success in the states.
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>>159456329
That's a meme, though. Unironic, but only by a small percentage.
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>>159457320
No, America is still a very small contributor. China is a much bigger contributor
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>>159457166
Based studios doing a favor to Japan by letting otaku shit die from overwork or making them drop out of this whole business through subhuman pay, just like they deserve.
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>>159457012
Studios are the ones who take on the series rights and make anime, your shitty producers don't care about sequels except for a few money makers.
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>>159457163
There's still too many studios and too many animators around, most of them being kept alive by middle tier studios who subcontract shit to them out of misguided obligation.
It's the whole company takes care of each of its sarariman-employee thing, just with anime studios helping out smaller anime studios that spawned out from them.
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>>159457627
Then the studio better start paying a sequel to the flop they produced in the first place because of their ineptitude in time and human resource management.
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>>159456943
Yes because it's fun to see fansubs threads implode like crazy
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>>159454576
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>>159449807
i like cr, dont like how pg they are tho
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>>159457360
China and America are the biggest gaijin markets.
China will of course make sure that they won't need filthy nips anymore soon by building up their own anime industry, producing chink animu for chink teenagers who will watch ruling party-approved chink animu.
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>>159448857

Violet Evergarden was promoted by Anime Strike. So does that mean that CR won't get it?

I fucking hate Netflix for being so god damn late and not doing Simulcasts.
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>>159455320
Except I actually wan't access to all of them as they air
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>paying for a stream

Mang, people sure are getting retarded by the minute.
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>Netflix
>fuck off
It's only gonna get worse. You wanted Crunchyroll to die real bad, and now simulcasting is going down with it.
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>>159458311
Could be worse. Imagine being someone who buys shit he doesn't even want just to support some slave company that is being hired by corporate jews, and none of that money goes to the slave company in the first place.
And then doing this for years and years and years, despite being told that the useless crap they buy doesn't translate into more direct money for the slaves.

It's great to be a producer. There's a bunch of dumb sweethearts who want to help a bunch of starving animators, and they've all been tricked into buying shit, and yet, the dumb customers still believe that they can help starving animators with their money through the acquisition of worthless crap.
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>>159458590
TL;DR.

Try again but with 80% less autism.
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>>159458750
So you read it and you got it.
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>>159454498
>This is the era of digital media
A lot of people aren't willing to pay for a digital "copy" of a piece of entertainment when you can get an actual copy.
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>>159457012
kill yourself
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>>159458835
What are you gonna do about it? Go cry on 2ch how mean foreigners are?
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>>159458811
ok grampa
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>>159454115
>>159454183
>>159454218
>>159455073
Crunchyroll and Funimation acted like the mafia.

They killed Nico Nico Douga which tried to stream anime the same day as Japan in America like they do in Japan but they tricked Nico Nico into partnering with them which slowly killed off Nico Nico Douga and why James stopped doing Anime Expo livestreams.
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Amazon is doing twitch simulcast streams now.

Bringing the television experience to the internet. Isn't it grand?

fucking jews.
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>>159455398
Amazon's streaming service for anime is still too expensive.

I rather Netflix win this comptetion rather than Amazon, anyway.

This is because Amazon is trying to be everything and not just a streaming service like Netflix. They wanna do groceries, do cloud service, etc, etc

Meanwhile, Netflix isn't planning to buy Whole Foods and just streams content.
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>>159453320
Guy who funded Kemono friends.
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>giving money to Amazon
>>159458980
Yeah, keep giving your money to them and get literally nothing in return like a good goy.
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>>159458966
Why would I do anything? Are you that retarded? I think you are. You obviously don't care about anime.
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>>159459229
>not buying your anime and your food in the same place
Dude...
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>>159459264
Of course I don't care about anime, you dire mongoloid. I only care about specific anime shows.
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>>159459229
>Amazon's streaming service for anime is still too expensive.
Isn't it $5 a month? That's not really expensive.
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>>159459368
It is very expensive for the latin-americans and south-east asians dorks who make up the majority of /a/.
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>>159459425
Oh I see, I pay monthly for mmos so I see $5 a month as pretty cheap.
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>>159459368
I have Prime, but the double barrier of entry leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'd rather wait for fansubs than give Amazon any more money.
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>>159459363
Not him, but kill yourself.
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>>159454371
No one knows what a seedbox is kid. Go back to playing with your fidget spinner.
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>>159451109
There are cases where they released an episode per week. The third season of From Dusk Til Dawn, for instance.
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>>159459514
It's
>kys yourself
you dumb grampa.
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>>159459326
The chances of Amazon getting an antitrust suit are growing every year.

Either google or amazon gets squeezed by the federal government just like what happened to microsoft.

They are gonna get grilled like Bill Gates did.
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>>159458787
>i-i was just pretending guise!
Back to /v/, cancerite.
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>>159459368
Compare it to the value Netflix gives you for $8 a month.
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>>159459363
Casual, you don't understand the industry.
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>>159459500
Everything is included in your prime account. There's no monthly fee. Just checked.
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>>159459368
You need Prime.
So, you pay $5 each month for AnimeStrike, on top of the yearly $100 for Prime.
That makes it $160 a year.

Not THAT expensive, but much more expensive than the other options (CR and Netlflix).
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>>159459677
Even with Prime you still need the $5 subscription
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>>159459630
You'd get more from Amazon at least in my case I would since I use twitch prime and amazon prime also has tv shows and movies.
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>>159459368
Considering Japs get it for free its expensive.
I think the Jap stations most anime is on are free stations in big cities to begin with so they don't even have pay a cable bill.
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>>159459677
No it isn't.
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>>159453989
You don't honestly believe this, do you?
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>>159448857

I don't mind if it means killing off crunchy
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>>159459856
>I don't mind if it means killing off crunchy
>I don't mind it non-timely and weekly service kills a weekly and timely service
>I don't mind if crappier subs kill off crappy subs
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>>159459856
Don't kid yourself. It won't kill Crunchyroll simply because of the fact that the other anime streaming services won't buy ALL the shit that Japan produces, whereas CR will do it.
Amazon and Netflix will only buy the licenses of specific anime shows that are suitable to their target audience.
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>>159459946
Which makes subscribing to Crunchyroll much less valuable.
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>>159459760
>>159459819
Double checked and you're right. Also noticed that there are already people losing their shit over some shows.
Bringing anime to America is a mistake.
How long until SJWs succeed in ruining everything as usual?
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>>159453756
TRIGGER loves Steven Universe though, even animated an episode. So fuck your shit you fucking /pol/cracker faggot!
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>>159460057
Obviously, they succeeded in making you a disgusting gamergate-creep who sees the SJW everywhere.
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>>159456270
Scales aren't acrylic so you're doing it wrong.
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>>159460057
Where are people losing there shit? I just went through like 20+ series and most 1-2 stars are complaining about subs/stream quality.
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>>159460057
HAHAHA, CRY SOME MOAR, FAGGOTS!!!
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>>159459368
Why should you have to pay twice JUST for anime. If I had to throw away $5 a month, I'm getting HBO, Showtime or something with more value. Just an example, I'm totally just pirating HBO, too.
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>>159459993
There will be enough shitty spics who will make up for the slight drop in gringos switching their service to Netflix.
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>>159459581
When did all these casuals show up?
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>>159456144
Haven't watched Sidonia, but Ajin s2 is bad mostly because it's almost all anime original. If you liked the first season I recommend reading the manga since it gets a lot more interesting, the only difference being that the manga isn't as moe as the anime is.
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>>159459585
Kill yourself, crossboard trash.

>>159460233
Kill yourself, SJWeeb.
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>>159460279
Oh you know
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>>159460057
>Also noticed that there are already people losing their shit over some shows.
Like what? I want to know
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>>159460335
You know, 2014 is distinctly when I remember /a/'s golden age ending. KLK helped kick it off, but I guess the fappening finished the job.
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CR will probably just up their game and bid higher for streaming rights.
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>>159458811
It's just anime that you watch once or twice in your entire life. You're not paying to own those anime shows, you're paying for the service to watch a hundred shitty shows that you'll only watch once or twice in your entire life right now as soon as they appear, and then get access to a hundred new shitty shows that you only watch once or twice in your entire life the next three months.
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>>159454095
Frankly I'm surprised they don't skip dubbing entirely, it has to be a lot cheaper but maybe there's a contract thing

>>159460057
>Also noticed that there are already people losing their shit over some shows.
Only hipster idiot /a/ scum trying to keep anime a niche market for subhumans.
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>>159460335
This is missing gamergate. Boards got waaaayyy shittier around that time as well. I think you're giving the fappening too much credit.
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>>159460476
Nah. Their strategy is to simply buy all the crap that the more bigger companies ain't buying. There's always some retard who will pay to watch it as soon as possible right now. You'll also get recommendations of anime shows in their library based upon the crap you've watched, so that you can watch more of the same crap you've liked.
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>>159459856
Crunchyroll is safe just because the most popular series are there. Funi has all the popular Jump properties.
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>>159460564
>Frankly I'm surprised they don't skip dubbing entirely, it has to be a lot cheaper but maybe there's a contract thing
Why should they skip on dubbing? Their target audience isn't just wannabe-japanophiles. It's normal people who watch all kinds of stuff in their own language. People who watch live action shit as well as cartoon shit.
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>>159454523
they do though
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>>159460584
>This is missing gamergate
You vastly over estimate how much GG did, hardly anyone knows about it besides a vocal minority on both sides of it, most normalfags have no idea about it.
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>>159460422
>KLK
>2014
Please say it ain't so
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>>159460779
>2014 is when it ended
>KLK started was the first push
I know, reading is hard.
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>>159460870
>ended
So it was 2013? Jesus. It doesn't feel like so long ago
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>>159460909
Seriously, you don't remember that season? It was crossboard shitpost central, like every Imaishi show. We also had SamFlam, Kyousougiga and KnK airing that season, and the IRC brigade was shitposting full force. The board was nigh unusable.
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>>159461090
Perhaps he was too busy watching Legend of Korra.
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>>159461090
No, I remember the season. It really was shit post central (sam flam was great though). I just didn't realise it was 2013
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>>159461119
You know, I enjoyed the first Avatar series, but Korra was fucking horrible. I dropped it early on, then heard later they pulled some progressive shit and made them gay out of nowhere.
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>>159460742
>New Yorker article
>NYT article
>continued Forbes coverage
>TIME magazine mention
>Last Week Tonight mention
>shit load of gaming/entertainment-centric sites covered it
>L&O:SVU episode about it

The quality of discussion on several boards dropped sharply as a new flock of retards poured into this place. It was not "minor" and mods went into overdrive to stem the flow of shitposting on 4chan. Remember, that was the stupidity that birthed that other chan run by that freaky midget and partially led to moot leaving.
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>>159461119
Rough. LoK is hot trash that ruins its entire legacy.
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>>159460422
>2014
>KLK
You mean 2007 and Gurren Lagann.
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>>159461239
Also it seriously damaged Gawker's finances, helping lead to its eventual bankruptcy
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>>159461365
The board recovered by 2012.
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>>159461239
Yet no one knows what GG is if you ask them besides twitter shits and people from 4chan

Seriously the only reason the boards got so bad was because SJWs and Neofags flocked over here to defend Zoe and cause the shit posting. Because everyone was just arguing over who was right, it died down a lot after because most the defenders left but the pro-gg were always here so they just became an annoying vocal minority.
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>>159461553
>no one knows what GG is besides twitter shits
So everybody?
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>>159460057
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>>159461593
If you consider SJWs and their circle jerk "Everybody" then sure, if I went into my uni next week and asked people in my class if they knew what gg is 99% of them would say no.
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>>159460504
>reading comprehension
He was referring to DVD/BD, so buying a copy of a series you want to own. That idiot was advocating something like Steam; paying money for a digital "copy" instead of a a physical copy with all the content on the disks and you get to actually own that copy.
Anyways, no reason we should have to pay to watch anime, refer to >>159459793 most anime is aired on free public stations in Japan, so they don't even have to pay for cable or internet to be able to view currently airing anime.
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>>159461631
Nippon gobinment and social culture is already doing everything to make sure that the fat slob otaku will stay unseen during the coming Olympic games.
Otaku are shameful losers tainting the pictures of hardworking nipponjins that everything is alright in the glorious island empire of the rising sun.
Otaku are degenerate porn-consuming scum who want more lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender characters in their nip cartoons.
Otaku are the last remnants of a disillusioned youth that wants to break free from the oppressive Japanese work culture where everyone is subservient to the company and the state, and normalcy is enforced.

Otaku are everything that is bad and shit and shameful.
The last part needs to be emphasized again. They are pathetic males who bring shame to Japan for daring to exist in the first place.
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>>159461631
It's true. Japan is pretty anti-kikebullshit.
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>>159462121
>$80 ep 2 ep on blu ray
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>>159448857
no one is forcing you to watch it on netflix, having many options is good.
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>>159462152
It's only otaku who are dumb and desperate enough to buy that shit.
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>>159462152
It's not the discs worth $60, it's the bonuses.
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>>159462152
That's literally an unregulated free market pandering to a hyper niche group of consumers.
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>>159462236
Those aren't worth 60-70$ either.
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>>159462114
>hardworking nipponjins that everything is alright in the glorious island em
Americans work longer hours than the japs and we aren't even #1 in that respect. This notion needs to die, and Black Companies have nothing on American Video Game studios.
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>>159453690
>They give the lowest amount needed to the studio.
But they still give the money.
The point he is making is that if there are two "evils" in the industry, Netflix and Crunchyroll, then Netflix is definitely the lesser evil of the two. But not even that, because Netflix isn't as big in Japan they're not going to be funding Netflix exclusive shows. So Netflix's effect on the consumer right now is literally all positive. They fund shows, they translate shows (although poorly) and they don't limit watching the show just to Netflix. All the netflix funded anime have also aired on Japanese TV and gotten bluray releases.
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>>159462314
Don't forget that Americans don't take time off, and don't have maternity leave. But hey, third worlders want to pretend Americans are all lazy and Japan is super evil Nazi work hell.
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>>159462345
Forgot to add:

Once Netflix becomes big enough in Japan that they can start funding shows that ONLY air on Netflix, that's when the troubles for the average consumer start to arise.
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>>159462253
I'm sure this limited edition poster is worth that much.
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>>159462314
>This notion needs to die, and Black Companies have nothing on American Video Game studios.
It's like that at any video game studio, doesn't matter what country.
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>>159462377
Sad but mostly true.
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>>159462250
You mean a regulated licensing monopoly pandering to high spending consumers. If its not a free download its not economically efficient, strictly speaking.
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>>159459856
That move is the equivalent of putting shit in your mouth so that the person next to you can smell it.
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>>159462504
>Monopoly
I don't think you know what the means. Anyone can create and distribute anime, and set it at whatever price they want.
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>>159462565
Not legally, because """"pirates"""" are restricted from creating perfectly functionally similar digital files at zero cost of """""licensed"""" material. Piracy is making production of a more efficient good illegal.
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>>159462624
>Licensing content you create means it's not a free market
What part of "market" do you not understand? Piracy isn't part of a free market.
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>>159451260
Almost everything is either HS or edits of them.
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>>159462375
>actually putting this shit up in your room
>actually displaying your powerlevel by bringing anime shit to school/uni/work
Best way is to watch anime but be low-key about it. Like talk about it only if you see other people talking about it. But, chances are those people only have watches shit like OPM, AoT or just Nardo.
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>>159462686
You mean piracy isn't part of the regulated monopoly market. Licensing when digital replication exists is the equivalent of someone inventing a infinite food replicator and then banning the technology. Consider that the end consumer receives the same wealth/utility/happiness from a store brought licensed copy to a digital download of a show and the economic inefficiency is obvious.

Intellectual property is a meme anyways and any self respecting economist will point out it is a dubious protectionist racket lowering consumer wealth.

Piracy is not in fact theft, but someone producing infinite copies of a good at zero marginal cost and distributing them at their economically efficient price. There is no marginal cost for any good that is a digital product, it is all upfront fixed total cost to create that first arrangement of bits.
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>>159454235
>normies
Just use normalfag
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>2017
>doesn't have Netflix and Amazon Prime

The only justification for this is living in countries where these services aren't used.
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>>159462152
That's simply capitalism at work.
Anime runs on being a massive market where every niche series gets only a bite of the pie.
Hence why they need to get as big a profit per fan as possible.

This could easily mean some $20 if not for the otaku and their obsession + seemingly infinite pockets.
Why is shit so expensive, well, because they keep buying it.
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>Giving money to some jewish middleman instead of buying things directly from Japan.

lol dumb white pigs.
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>>159453932
No, they don't.
And even if they did, no, it doesn't. Who is the primary audience for anime? The anime community. And the anime community watches anime in Japanese with English subtitles week by week.
Drawing in that Portugese-speaking American (because they only license it in America, remember?) audience isn't worth the dramatic loss of viewers because of their behavior.
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>>159462896
Wow, I sure love giving money to the people funding Dear White People, Bill Nye Saves the World, and the Washington Post.
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>>159455073
Dude, only thing that is selling from funimation is Dragonball. Funi is gonna crash like ADV did back in day
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>>159462968
>Who is the primary audience for anime?
Little kids and perpetually angry teenagers, who watch stuff in their language.
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>>159459793
>Japs get it for free

What the fuck man
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>>159462700
>Not having your own place

>Copying an anime that a team of creators thought up and produced is the same as infinite food
You're a fucking idiot.
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>>159463009
WaPo is keeping real journalism alive and well you leave them out of this.
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>>159463131
Missed the quote for
>>159462751
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>>159463146
>Same parent company and bullshit as NYT
You can stop now.
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>>159460057
Most of normalfags are fine with how anime is.
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>>159463131
>Hurr fuckkck gurr durr we should have people sell goods above marginal cost because they worked really hard to make it :(((((

fuck off retard jesus, you're literally advocating for banning technologies to keep money out of consumer pockets for no good reason. Did you never learn that efficient market allocations occur where marginal cost and benefit meet?
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>>159463146
>http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/jeff-bezos-amazon-washington-post-and-the-cia/
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>>159463221
That source is ridiculous. Are you one of those alt-righters? I'm out of this thread.
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>>159461374
It also turned /pol/ into a bunch of activist faggots.
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>>159463190
>I didn't make something but I want it so you have to give it to me for the price I demand!
Fuck off


>>159463310
Who let the meme cartel and their band of SJWeebs in?
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>>159463400
>Give it to me for the price I demand!

No a pirate takes a good and makes a functionally perfect copy of it, and then sells a distinct, better products at the price point of free.

Digital files are public goods, they are non rivalrous and non-excludable and thus private provision leads to inefficient outcomes. Now this is unlikely to be recognized for decades but the economics all check out and point out this obvious fact.

Explain to me why anyone should pay for a file which is a arrangement of bits which can be distributed to anyone at no cost after creation? Firms can and do recover their fixed costs in many ways besides attaching a arbitrary inefficient price on the digital unit. Merchandising and software update support for example.
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>regressing back to expecting gaijins to be seasons/years behind currently airing in japan animes

Oh, so you're a Netflix-level Otaku? Well I'm downloading my animes airing currently in Japan STRAIGHT FROM SPACE etc etc
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>>159463471
>It's just bits so it doesn't matter if you created it!
>Pirated content is public domain!
I can't actually tell if people like you are retarded or master trolls.
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>>159463508
So we should all be paying royalties to Plato's ancestors because he came up with some neato fukin idea?

Come up with a defense for intellectual property for the market that isn't a stupid meme please.
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>>159463471
Explain to me why would anyone (especially a studio with more than 10 people working) work to make a file that no one wants to pay for ?
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Just let the government deal with pirates.
Japan does it by siccing the police upon all the taiwanese pirate distributors that they can find in Japan.
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>>159463506
Why don't people just sub TV rips from Nippon?
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>>159463562
Because if people really love it they can make money off of related events, merchandise and other physical products. And they should receive public grants for providing a public good, something Japan already does.
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>>159463545
>I'm a fucking retard who can't do anything except argue in hyperbole
>Copyright shouldn't exist
>All digitally distributed art is public domain!
Just kill yourself.
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Why is this site so open toward piracy?

Isn't that actually illegal?
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>>159463589
>They should make money how I deem acceptable while I take their content for free
You can't actually be this stupid, right?
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>>159463610
Sure, but most don't care.
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>>159463400
If you haven't noticed, most anime fans are "SJW" or apathetic about politics.
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>>159463602
Explain to me how intellectual property rights increase economic welfare in any way, you fucking room temp IQ cock mongler who needs to back to high school Econ 101.

Your arguments thus far have been
>guhh its been the law forever and intellectual property is the same as real property so u dumm dummm

>>159463620
They release the content to the public, they are free to create a limited release, only shot it to theaters and never create a copy that can be copied for the consumer. Once they do it becomes fair game for public copying and use.
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>>159463654

>intellectual property is the same as real property

But it is.

You can say anything you like it still doesn't change the fact you are committing a crime and harming people by taking away their livelihood.
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>>159463641
No they aren't.
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>>159463688
Intellectual property is not the same, it restricts iterative and like ideas and innovations and assigns them to a arbitrary legal holder, slowing down innovation both artistically and technologically. Think of all the patents preventing better cheaper products, think of all the critiques or parodies, or improvements of art that have been DMCAd so consumers can no longer receive wealth from them.

You are advocating for a producer sided protection racket on an antiquated notion that ideas belong to anyone.
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>>159463602
Piracy isn't theft. Ideas cannot be controlled and by extension neither can data. The only things that can be controlled are actual products and infrastructure.
The argument against piracy is that: if I one anon, buy something, that I shouldn't be allowed to share that content with others and that they should pay.
This means I should up torrents but the logic also says that I shouldn't be able to watch my BDs with friends who haven't purchased their own copies.
It's intellectually bankrupt.
Economic regulation is entirely conceptual and should be instated and created to reflect the reality of the situation (which theft does) it should not be extended outwards to contort reality.

Data is not, and cannot ever be, theft. Nor can ideas. What if English were my intellectual property? How should I go about enforcing my ownership? It's pure tripe.
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>>159463654
>Explain to me how intellectual property rights increase economic welfare in any way,
Not him, allow me to interject for a moment. "Intellectual property" is vague and encompasses copyright (good), trademarks (okay), and patents (bad).

Copyright, which simply means the original creator has exclusive ownership of art, is necessary because it stimulates activity in the arts. It's also ethical that the person who created a piece of art get the lion's share of its success.
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>>159463706
They are and they aren't.
They're Schrodinger SJWs.
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>>159463654
So you want us to go back to the 30s ? Theaters wouldn't be able to keep up with the number of anime, and wanting people to go the the theaters 5 times a week when there are much easier way to consume media is fucking insane. That shit would be objectively worst for the consumer. And most anime studios wouldn't be able to find space in theaters, wich would mean most studios would never be able to evolve like KyoAni and P.A Works did and they would forever be Kodansha's and GoodSmile bitches.

You're advocating for the death of anime.
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>>159463688
I have purchased rights to the concept of anime viewership. Please cease doing so. Anything that's reasonably similar to 'watching anime on your PC' will be considered in breach and punitive action will be pursued. You have been warned.
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>>159463706
The few conservative anime fans I've come across are into the standard "normie" anime they watched as kids. They aren't regular consumers of anime.
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>>159463721
>How should I go about enforcing my ownership?
Pay a bunch of people to beat up anyone who steals your invention of this thing called English.
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>>159463641
I remember when moron shills like you at least tried to lurk a week before trying their bullshit.
>inb4 "I've been here since 2007!"
No you haven't
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>>159463768
>>159463746
Most anime fans are Asian, it's impossible for it to be "mostly liberal"
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>>159453717
>Netflix
>has produced anime
This is bait, right? They haven't provided critical funding to any anime ever, and they sure as hell haven't produced anime.
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>>159463759
The nips are actually experimenting with the "go back to the theaters to watch anime episodes".

It is daft and dumb, but eh, they're desperate enough to look at all possible ways to make money from their fellow nipponjins.
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>>159463760

No you haven't.

Neither you nor>>159463717 provide any arguments why piracy isn't harmful to the very people who produce the content.

You essentially say they should work for free because their products aren't real products.

And intellectual property certainly doesn't limit innovation judging by the evolution of computers and apps over the years.
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>>159463736
It stimulates equally as much art as it suppresses, and I often think the encouragement of the arts bit is always overstated and it would return to the patron system which existed for centuries.

>>159463759
You're a simpleton so you misunderstood what i was saying. I'm saying if the studio wanted to retain exclusive complete production control over a anime they cannot release it onto TV, DVD, or stream. If they do the data becomes a good with a marginal cost of ZERO. You sell goods at their MARGINAL COST. With a marginal cost of zero the effective market price is ZERO. This is because price and marginal cost are equal at market equilibrium. For any person to copy data onto a new computer and consume it costs them nothing. If consumers are bearing costs to view that thing they are losing wealth unnecessarily because the cost is ZERO. Thats more money for everything else in life to do. There are plenty of models where people release shit for basically free and make money off of related products, like free to play games and Jap Merchandising. That is more optimal then your Hollywood Jew idea control system.
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>>159463771
>steals
How can I know if they know English? All I can tell is that I know, unless someone else speaks it.
Intellectual property isn't conceptually valid. There's also the potential for people to fall upon an idea separately. If I come up with something that exists somewhere else without ever having encountered that one couldn't consider that stealing.

Intellectually speaking intellectual property doesn't make a lick of sense and anyone who treats it as something other than a greedy economic abstraction (be they for or against it) are either being dishonest or don't have the necessary knowledge and scope to be discussing it.
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>>159463845
Then pay for people whose job is to find out which people illegally know English, so that you can pay for people to beat up the people who illegally know English.

Sheesh, anon, that's how things work in real life.
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I watch licensed anime completely legally, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me!
There should really be a singular service that offers everything I want to watch for an affordable fee. I already have enough bullshit with console fuckery, cunts.
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>>159463833
>work for free
No and I've not said it's harmful or benign either. When you say harm you mean that it hurts them as bussiness or institution based on projected activity.
Projected activity is a meme. Another economic abstraction.

Lets look at it from a logical perspective rather than an economic one. Anyone can make anything. Because data and ideas are nebulous and not physical entities they cannot be owned. The people who create ideas do so with the understanding of what their rights are and either cease to do so or do so for their own reasons.

That is to say, plenty of people make things for the fun of it. Plenty of people make things because someone is paying them to make it, not because they will have the sole profits from it's distribution.
You're arguing that reality hurts the veracity of your economic model. I agree, it does. However I'd rather function on an economic that reflects the world as it is rather than attempting to impose regulations that are near impossible in terms of implementation.
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I'd unironically pay for CR If they let me download episodes desu
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>>159463831
It works though, but that's mostly because it concerns screening events and theatrical series.
>>159463842
And what Im saying is that if the wealth is made by related products, then the creativity will be controled by the people producing those related products. If the studio cannot produce wealth on it's own, then the money for every productions will only comes from editors, event, music and toy makers. Wich means every show will be made to shill for their shit.
So imagine the current state of anime, but worse since the studio never make any benefit and can't grow.
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>>159463970
The studio makes money from all those people you mention who pay for the piece of art that advertises their shit. Japan is basically already near the logical conclusion of lax copyright laws as you mentioned. Imagine if KyoAni had a patreon page, sure they would make a bit less then currently but I'm sure world over enough people would pay for their existence to make art to continue doing so.

You've already understood the conclusion. Studios already make a pittance out of licensing and its nothing but restrictive and anti consumer, the majority of money comes from the production committees of the parties you just mentioned.
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>>159463956
I'd pay for CR if all series weren't [unavailable in your region] thanks to copyrights.
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>>159463063
Nice meme, anon! You sure did great and contributed to the discussion!
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>>159463641
That's a hard no, you dumb faggot.
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>>159464052
if you watch on pc, there is chrome plugin for that. On devices you need vpn through
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>>159463654
Explain to me why you should have access to content that someone else creates?
>It's just data
Then create it yourself. There's literally no reason you should be able to dictate how someone distributes and charges for something they've created, you fucking muppet.
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>>159464067
Grow up from your perpetually angry teenage phase, anon. You're already 50 years old.
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>>159464074
Spics and seashits don't matter in their countries or worldwide.
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>>159450954
What is a fuckin' DVR?
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>>159464067
Are you an angry teenager? Because I don't see why else you'd be so mad at a comment that basically makes a reasonable point.

A friend of mine is big into our local animecons and the demographic really does seem to be mainly teenagers who do as a matter of fact prefer to watch series in their own language rather than Japanese or even English for that matter.

If you're not mad, then you're being a shitposter for no reason (as opposed to a petty reason) and are doing the exact same thing you accused anon of doing.
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>>159464103
Like I said, I don't have access, the producer is giving the entire world access by creating a data copy of the content. If that content enters data form AT ANY POINT, then the MARGINAL COST, becomes ZERO. If the creator is selling that content which has become data at any price that isn't ZERO per unit they are selling above the ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT price. Once again the art piece itself is not subject to this until assembled into copy-able data form.
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>>159463783
You've never been to an anime convention in your life. You've never been to tumblr. You've never been to Reddit. You have no perspective, so your opinion doesn't matter. Like it or not, aside from /a/, this is where most anime fans reside with respect to America. (and yes, only America matters here since we were talking of American politics)

In my 2 decades of being in and around various anime communities, I can confidently say that there aren't many conservative anime fans. There aren't many conservative nerds in general. It's difficult to be a conservative yet be a fan of something requiring you to be open to sexual deviance and social ostracism.
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>>159464153
>If you digitize something that means it's free for everyone
No, you stupid fucking child.
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>>159464184
But that by definition is what it means if you would open a fucking economics text book. A digital good is non-rivalrous and non-excludable. It is as resalable and price-able as breathing fucking air.
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>>159464159
I live in Japan and go to comiket, I also aren't various events and have lots of otaku friends. The casual faggots in SoCal that cry on Tumblr don't make up the anime community. Go be stupid somewhere else.
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>>159464217
Nice lies.
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>>159464207
>Intellectual property doesn't exist and if something is digital it's for everyone to use!
Literally wrong and acknowledged by no one except for a select group of retarded manchildren.
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>>159464048
>The studio makes money from all those people you mention who pay for the piece of art that advertises their shit.
Okay so you simply don't understand how japanese animation works. Here I'll explain to you : company/bundle of companies give budget to a studio > Studio make the anime > people who gave the money to the studio get their money back from sales, etc.
However, thanks to copyrights the studio can sometimes have enough money to be part of the investors, wich makes it able to have more rights over it's creation and, more importantly, make more profit wich allow the studio to grow. Sometimes to the point where the studio can buy it's own licenses so that it can actually directly make money off related products (like Sunrise and Kyoani). Copyrights give studios a window that allow them to grow and become more free.
If you destroy BDs and streaming (wich is what you're advocating for) that window will be closed forever and studios will never make any profit. The only people making profit will be the ones making the products and distributing budgets.

And no KyoAni wouldn'd have made any money with a Patreon page and it would have never grown to it's current size. No movies, no Hibike, no Violet Evergarden. Do you even know how many studios there are ? Do you REALLY think they could all grow entirely on fucking Patreon ? You're completely delusional.
There's nothing for anime studios in what you're advocating for.
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>>159464159
>conservative
>open to sexual deviance

Conservatism isn't the same as puritanism.
Stop thinking your american political terms and values apply everywhere in the world.
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>>159464235
There isn't a single thing in that post that was a lie, you fucking faggot.

>>159464254
According to him, they love anime so they'll find a way to make money without selling their product, because you can't sell a digital product.
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>>159464251
It's not that the property doesn't exist, it's that by selling a good that could be a free digital copy above zero price and then taking down free copies producers engage in RESTRICTIVE ECONOMIC RENT SEEKING USING POLICY MANDATES. No matter how you stamp your feet about intellectual property that does not change that these companies are creating loss in the economy by selling above the marginal cost point.

>>159464254
A studio can easily get an angel investor or crowdfunding and accomplish the same thing without the government shitting on the consumer so they can rent seek. See half of the indie film market.
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>>159463842
The patron system with no copyright system would be significantly worse than what we have today. Copyright is the only thing stopping an independent artists from having big corporations from capitalizing on their work.
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>>159464312
I'm actually in laughter reading the garbage you're typing.
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>>159464331
Without big corporations sponsoring the independent artists and making them dependent, there will be no way for the rest of the world to see the greatness of the independent artist. Or at least see what kind of shit he is.
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>>159464331
Not necessarily, many artists receive funding because their fans know only they are producing in that particular niche.

>>159464345
What's funny is the vast majority of otaku watch anime for free and only buy in expectation of getting a season 2 or a physical bonus good. The expectation of season 2 already destroys your argument because it is a hope a similar good will be produced rather than actually buying the copy to watch. BDs are like corporate bonds to get season 2 the episodes themselves are irrelevant to the consumer by the time they buy them.
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>>159464217
Anime fans in Japan are very liberal compared to the general population.
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>>159464419
No they're really not. You just seem to think that liberal means anyone who isn't a devout Puritan.
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Otaku are pieces of shit. Even otaku know that. That's why they accept and tolerate abuse heaped upon them.
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>>159464364
Your point? In the system we have now, where the artist has copyright, the artist has power (government-backing) in the face of the unlimited resources a company has. But if you remove that, nearly all the power is in the hands of the company.
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>>159464391
Holy shit, I can't get enough of these analogies you pull out of your ass. Please keep going.
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>>159464538
Look buddy I get it, you're a retard who thinks he knows shit about markets and laws when he doesn't. You couldn't even substantively explain how a monopoly charging more for a physical good is different then a licensee charging more for a digital one.

Its clear you have no real understanding of the subject and literally just cling to the original idea you had on it because some jew told you copyright is a fucking moral justice.
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>>159464595
>I have a right to content someone else creates because I said so
No. And there's literally not a dammed thing you can do it about, you underage armchair economist absolute fucking retard.
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>>159464629
>The content creator has a right to the exact perfect copy i create after they release it publicly because they said so

Try again buddy. Don't copy that floppy, you wouldn't download a car!
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>>159464521
That's fine. Those who pay are those who should own the work.
If the original creator also wants a piece of that pie, he better make sure to get a good contract.
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>>159455468
So how do you get movies then?
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>>159464660
>It's content I created because I copied it
You literally can't make this shit up.
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>>159464692
>Original ideas exist and people own ideas

What a fucking goofy mong
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Americans stronk, nippons weak, china stronkest.
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>>159464708
>idea
>Someone writes a story, a team animates it, someone composes a score, people voice the characters and the project comes together
>It's simply an idea that I have just as much claim to because it's digital!
You're a fucking idiot, and your pants on head retarded joke of a business model will never gain traction.
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>>159464797
>League of Legends, team animates voices, designs, programs, and hosts servers for a game for free, make billions off of entertainment, adverting, and cosmetics related to the product
>Any of the plethora of phone games that are exact same and simply host a server and charge for extras
>Youtube content creators who just critique or recycle things, get millions of views and money who would under strict enforcement be banned
>Literally any art project done for passion off of a saved dime

Yeah you can try to own arrangements of bits and ideas, lets see how far it gets you as companies adapt.
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>>159464881
>Some people give their creations away for free or monetize them in different ways, so everyone has to do the same
>This is a free market
You're so impossibly fucking stupid.
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>>159464957
>Some people succeed without using the government to enforce their monopoly so the government should stay to protect lagging monopolies!

Your a disgusting commie.
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>>159464983
>I'm entitled to other people's work
>You're the commie
Holy cognitive dissonance!
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>>159465028
>I'm entitled for government protection for my firms when its unnecessary and economically inefficient!

Go back to 1933
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>>159465058
>Other people protecting things they create is unnecessary because I deem it so
>Gimme!
Literal communism
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Behold, /a/. A bored anon who samefag-arguments against himself, pretending to be a strawman on both sides.

That is what the internet allows us to see.
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>>159465102
>The perfectly functional copy is illegal because some people worked hard on the original
>If the firm actually sold the good at the economically efficient price the copies would never exist and be irrelevant
>Firms should be able to rent seek because they worked hard

By your logic any firm should be able to charge a little extra just for "creating" something. Effort for who creates something, especially what at the end of the day amounts to a arrangement of bits no matter how you slice it does not effect economic realities.

Instead of warping the law to make it seem like digital goods behave like physical ones, producers should be forced to accept the new technological reality that anything that becomes data is effectively valueless on a market per copy basis. You shouldn't use laws to try and force this reality away even if you don't like it.
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>>159465134
But I'm not strawmanning even a little bit. He's explicitly stated that anything digital is public domain and that content creators should have no rights to anything that's digital, and that they should get their money from donations. He's actually retarded.

>>159465201
I've literally never held a job in my life, but let me teach you about the ethics of digital copyrighting and price efficient models.
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>>159465238
Now your resorting to ad homenin as you have no rebuttal. You're like a luddite fighting the change from telegram to cellphone, copying is a technology and firms that use the government to protect themselves from it are weak and in time will be culled by the market anyways.

I'm just telling you how market efficiency and consumer surplus works, and how that relates to technology and you throw a tantrum because your tiny brain cannot comprehend the results.
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>>159465294
>Your tiny brain can not comprehend my superior intellect
>Allow me to demonstrate my brilliant plan that's never going to be implemented because content creators understand how fucking retarded it is from the bottom up
>Now give me free shit because my autismbux can barely keep me fed and support my fedora collection
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>>159465343
It will never be implemented because giant lobbyist firms for music and film industry keep these laws strong, if consumers ever gave enough of a damn this would be the eventual outcome.

If consumers push for weaker copyright the result will be the firms that rely on it will fail and the ones that don't will prosper.

You're fucking goofy for thinking that the relatively very recent concept of getting paid via state protection by entering you idea into a database is in any way economically effective.
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>>159465390
>Give me my free shit!
>Someone will donate or something later, just trust me you idiots!
>This isn't fair! You're holding these ideas (that you created) hostage through the law!
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>>159465426
Thats why I said earlier it was a public good, the best artists will survive on donations, and if there is a consumer shortfall government grants can pick up the slack for anything that is digital. It would be no different then public education.

Once again any digital good is functionally the same as clean air in economic terms.
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>>159465238
You should be pro patent mentality because it protects the creators but be against copyright mentality because it's unfair for the customer.

>patent mentality
No one can claim ownership of the work other than the creator. No one can "profit" from the work other than the creator.

>copyright mentaitly
Customer doesn't get a say in what he does with the product he bought, how many copies/back-ups he can make and who he chooses to share it with. Paying for the right to have a copy is just ridiculous.
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So which torrent should I get to watch the new Fate when it comes out?
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>>159465499
Don't watch it, it's garbage,
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>>159465464
>You should get to protect things you create because I say so!

>>159465478
This at least makes more sense than what the retard is saying, but mass distribution still isn't the same as letting your friend borrow a copy of your movie.
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>>159465572
I mean sure if you want literal billions of dollars of wealth to go to waste to pay art licencors when it could be spent on food and necessities and people can get the same wealth at no additional real cost to the economy be my guest.

Literally make people poorer so you feel better about a handful of producers you goddamn moron.
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>>159465623
>Think about the poor!
But I do think about animators. That's why I think they should actually get paid when people enjoy their work.
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>>159465647
You can still pay them when you enjoy their work no one is stopping you, but money is being siphoned out of the economy when the technology exists to provide all software, movies, games, music, and reading to all computer users at no cost. You are just clinging desperately to the notion digital goods are the same as physical when they are not.
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>>159465682
>People can pay them if they feel like it
>It's not a product because I say so
Guess we shouldn't charge for services either.
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Nobody should care about animators. They deserve being paid almost nothing.
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>>159465572
>mass distribution
As per copyright laws, without distributing media to even one person, breaking the DRM on a Bluray you own to make a back-up is a crime in a lot of countries.
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>>159465713
A digital good has a infinite supply, charging money for something with an infinite supply is a waste.
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>>159465737
Except the thing wouldn't exist at all without a huge amount of man hours. You don't have an inherent right to other people's work, you stupid fucking communist.
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