Watching Anime illegaly

>Is watching releases on streaming site "illegal"?
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
Not where I live.

Nips watch anime for free on TV
Im just leveling the playing field
Paying to watch anime is retarded and anticonsumer

Nah, they can go fuck themselves. They chose to ignore the western market for decades, and have cultivated the Jap market to fucking absurd price points. Let them burn.

Why does neither the stupid idiot that wrote this piece nor the anime "insider" know what a torrent is?

>>159418101
>ellipses
>reddit spacing
The best way to watch anime is download fansubs and buy BDs/official merch. Paying any western subscription services is a waste and doesn't help anime at all. They should have never raised BD prices again after they lowered them, it's expensive as fuck to pay $250 just on BDs for a seasonal show.

It doesn't hurt anything if you pirate anime.

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>>159418101
You know, if there was a SmartTV app à la Netflix that allowed you to watch subbed anime as they air in Japan, I'd watch it legally. I'd even be willing to pay for it, if the price isn't ridiculous (somewhere south of €15 a month).

Get to work on it, Crunchyroll. Do it in multiple languages (subbing isn't that hard, right?) and you can reach normies around the world for profit.

>>159418101
I don't consider watching airing anime as illegal, because there are many free legal methods of watching it in Japan.

However, streaming past shows is definitely illegal. Buy that shit or pay like everyone else has to in order to watch them legally.

>>159418101
The downloading I do nets no-one any advertising revenue, so no pirates profit from me. I buy DVDs and Blu-rays of the shows I like - which is quite a bit, actually, so the industry does see income from what I watch.

And if I can't download or otherwise sample for free, there's not a chance I'm shelling out the high price they're asking.

>>159418221
Or adblockers for that matter

>>159418235
>Paying any western subscription services is a waste and doesn't help anime at all.
It kind of does, assuming the service is legal. Those involved in Japan get paid royalties, right? Perhaps not as much as when you'd buy the BDs straight from Japan, but that's a Japanese problem considering they're not interested in foreign markets at all (unless it's shit like Dragonball). And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to blow a hundred dollaridoos on a single fucking BluRay that only has two episodes on it and maybe a five minute bonus clip. That's a business model I just can't get behind.

If you want to support the creators, buy merchandise. FLCL and Gurren-Lagann were funded on the sales of Asuka figurines.

It's easier to convince people to buy merchandise than overpay for shitty low episode BD's they actually can't physically own because it's easily reproducible and digital IP. Crunchy is shit too.

Kemono Friends is a horrible anime to stand on the pulpit and condemn anime pirates to fire and brimstone. It was made on a shoestring and massively exceeded expectations due to meme status. Without the ability to pirate the anime fewer people would have got on board.

>>159418461
Buying a $5 piece of merch from japan helps the series infinitely more than paying 100 years CR subscription

>>159418461
>Those involved in Japan get paid royalties, right
Don't let CR and the rest of those scum fool you. The creators get fucking nothing. Buying a single shirt is worth infinitely more.

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>>159418101
>What do you guys think about this?
Fuck 'em. Every last one of 'em.

>>159418101
>anime DVD and Blu-ray sales have declined by 6.1% since 2015 in Japan

But I was never part of the demographic that bought DVDs and Blu-rays in the first place, so I shouldn't be blamed for their decline in the first place by torrenting anime.

>>159418101

Without piracy I would've never gotten into anime in the first place. And this would've been true for others as well.
The hype and fanbase around certain shows would've small to non-existent, leading to less people discovering and watching these shows. And some of these people might have been legitimate viewers.

Sure not all people end up buying stuff related to the show, but that's not the point. The point is that you probably gained more than you lost.
I'm sure Horriblesubs has gained CR more subscriptions than is has cost them.

Even I have bought manga after watching certain shows. Something I certainly would not have done if it wasn't for piracy.

I understand that they can't outright approve of piracy. But stop making it out to be this big boogeyman that's killing the industry. They should just silently condone it.

In short, piracy is like advertisement. Ads cost money and piracy leads to losses, but for both of them you gain more than you lose.

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>>159418499
>fuck´em

They wouldn't get any money from me anyway whether or not I pirate. Not at the price they're charging and not for crunchy roll's translation quality.

Any ideas to destroy CR?

Like masive rip-offs or something like that

>>159418101
>even thinking about watching your chinese cartoons "legally" after all these exclusivity bullshit with Fate/Apocrypha and other shows

>>159418510
Also to add, I used to buy anime merch from Amiami a few years ago, but the import tax fees is too big (sometimes adding more than half the expense of what I bought) so I had to stop doing it eventually.

>>159418150
tv isn't free but i get what you're saying

>>159418461
Buying one figure puts more into the industry than years of CR. And if you pay Funimation for anything they offer you're only empowering them to sell BD with SJW dubs and streams with eye cancer contrast and bitrates; and all funi does is toss chump change for licences.

Anime is an advertisement for manga and merch
If you pay for anime you are paying to see an ad.
Think about that for a single second

>>159418101
I come from the online pirate capital of the world. Their pleas are meaningless. This is who we are now.

>>159418525

Because of the TPP, they have to proactively attack pirates or lose the right to their IP. So they're obligated to say shit.

>>159418641
Except that is fucking retarded because if ads were anime I wouldn't use adblock.

>>159418495
>>159418614
So how does this model work in the West? Why are Nip studios allowing themselves to get only chump change for their material? Is there some sort of pressure or do they really care this little about the Western market? (if it's the latter, then it's not really my problem. They're quite literally asking for it).

>Funimation SJW dubs
Fucking hell, don't get me started.
>Kobayashi whining about slut shaming
>That retarded jab at Gamergate in Prison School of all shows, the show that lives and dies with the "male gaze"

I would pay and watch Crunchyroll.
But they don't allow streaming in my country.
So fuck them.
I will use HorribleSubs.

>>159418101
My piracy doesn't matter, the Chinks have such massive shit taste their streaming revenue can probably keep anime afloat for at least another decade or two.

>>159418544

Resurrect Genghis Khan and convince him to conquer all the islands in southeast asia

That is CR's stronghold. Not the West.

Does buying anime on steam give revenue to the creators? I'd wager it's more benificial than paying for a subscription.

>>159418101
The thing is, I want offline access to the unencrypted video file, to play at my own choice of player, renderer and interpolator. Since there is no legal service that offers this (besides waiting for overpriced and, more indigning, underpacked storage-wise blu-rays), then piracy is the only service that grants me my requests.

I mean, piracy is so easy and streamlined that even if a legal service offered that I still wouldn't pay for it, but that's not the point.

>>159418461
>Perhaps not as much as when you'd buy the BDs straight from Japan
The problem is that companies don't count overseas sales. They literally remove them from Orcon. Any company that ships overseas, like CDJapan and Amazon, etc submits that it was sent overseas so that it doesn't count.

Sure, it does mean that money is changing hands, but when companies look at Orcon to gauge sales all the overseas sales don't come into it.

So if you really want to support anime you have to come to Japan and buy your stuff here, or have it bought by a proxy so it will count as being purchased in Japan.

>>159418664
Well they are only pissing people off doing it.
Suddenly I dont feel like ever buying any kemonoshit stuff of any kind

>>159418101
I stopped feeling bad for the anime industry when they blocked foreigners from buying the YOI bds. It's ridiculously popular outside Japan, and they still don't want our money so I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

>tries to watch anime legally with CR
>country blocked

Yeah nah I'll stick to buying plastic butts for support.

>>159418679
Something is better than nothing for now, CR got a lot more faggots into anime, then the Nips will probably take it over by announcing their own services and shit like KyoAni Store. For now they are just kind of taking a loss for exposure in the west because they know very little people will pay what they're asking for BDs.
>>159418718
>buying anime on steam
This might actually be the absolute worst way to buy anime. Even worse than CR/Funi. There is absolutely zero "benefits" other than your friends list sees you're watching anime and the only people who would care about that are otacool faggots. The creators don't see shit and you don't even own it after you buy it. You're paying to rent it that you can only access online.

>>159418718
Thats even worse than CR

>>159418495
That's not unusual at all though.

The thing is that the money from royalties and the such generally go into companies that then fund the creation of anime series. So while your money doesn't go to the makers, it could mean that they will continue to have jobs.

The same goes for any anime purchases you make. Almost all the profits go into companies that fund anime series, the studios themselves get paid out for the show and don't get percentages of sales unless they actually hold some rights to the IP.
This does mean that usually whether the anime succeeds or flops doesn't matter in the short term to the studio itself, because they received their payment anyway. In the long term it could because they could lose contracts due to being shit.

>>159418744
>fuck those gaijins even if they give us money they dont count, only japanese genes can assert the quality of anime and only their opinion matters!
This is the kind of racism I can get behind. I love it.

I usually pirate anime and buy the manga of series that I really like. Fuck blu-ray. Way too expensive for a such a shit product. Their fault for making anime pretty inaccessible for years and years in the west; they really need to change their entire distribution model. Same way I feel about trying to keep up with sports without a cable subscription, fuck em.

>>159418101
I am morally content with my method. I watch as much shit as I want for free then buy hundreds of dollars of figures, merch, and BDs every month.

>>159418679
Sounds like you haven't seen Lucoa complaining about the patriarchy.

>>159418879
>>159418679
link for the kobayashi stuff?

>>159418679

FUNimation has prearranged agreements to companies to license batches of anime at low cost. Since FUNi is basically a monopoly, it can dictate the price and the nips either have to take it or leave it.

It guarantees the nips some money, versus the old system where companies would bid against each other for the top anime of the season but ignore other things. The old system was bad because companies would overbid for shows that sold poorly (like Geneon with Fate/stay night) or botch the release schedule so they wouldn't participate in the next season's shows without leveraging themselves. ADV, Geneon had a lot of debt when they died as did Bandai Entertainment (which borrowed from its parent Bandai USA). Because they would mortage their future to license new anime ahead of other companies, without investing the time to actually promote/release older things. The internet moved too fast for them and tastes faded fast.

>>159418789
>you don't even own it after you buy it. You're paying to rent it that you can only access online.
Is CR different? I thought it was basically weeb netflix, which is exactly what you are describing.

So, I could:

1. Just buy BD/DVDs off rightstuf

Watching shows from last year/two years ago and pay $200+ a year for the right to watch 4 shows

2. Subscribe to 4 streaming services and Netflix

Still have to wait on netflix shows and pay over $400 a year to have the right to watch 20 shows a year I'd actually like and 50 I never will.

3. Keep doing what I'm doing and watch all the shows I want.

lol some choice.

If I could watch proper HD anime on television, with subtitles, I would. CR is crap quality and depends too much on DL speed.

If studios want gaijinbux, they should provide an incentive. For example, subtitles. How much could it cost to hire some undergrad with a decent grasp of English to half-ass a sub? It's not like fansubs are much better. It's already an expensive product, made more expensive by shipping, which could be damaged or confiscated during travel. The people watching anime illegally are largely the people that have no good reason to watch it legally.

>>159418101

I have a premium crunchy roll account. If it's not on crunchyroll I'm going to steal it. Get fuckt.

>>159418893
https://youtu.be/jccF_zPus6M?t=4m48s

the other problem i have with the pricy anime industry is that you just have nothing of it here in the west.

Beucase society doesnt think its "okay"

Either you are an "autistic manchild who watched japanese comic shows for children"
OR
"An autistic manchild who like "hentai tentacle rape" shit japanese comic"

Thats also a reason to just watch it online. the only times normal store sell anime stuff is when a hype goes on with pokemon. that was the only real reason animestuff was sold here at the last few years

>>159418929
>reddit bastardization of weeb
Stop posting this shit. CR is practically the same, they are both garbage. Buy BDs or official merch, there is no better way.

>>159418101
Many people would actually buy BDs outside of Japan if they weren't so expensive. But apparently the anime industry over there is already structured in such a way that lowering prices would reduce profits, at least for the production committee.

>>159418938
>The people watching anime illegally are largely the people that have no good reason to watch it legally.
Or far more frequently, people that have no access to legal ways of watching at all. Americans and Europeans at least have the excuse of Crunchyroll and other sites, those which don't have access to said sites are usually out of luck.

>>159418968
american """"""""seiyuu"""""""" sound disgusting, bet they are all 300lbs fujoshi hambeasts

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>>159418968
>PESKY PATRIARCHAL SOCIETAL DEMANDS
Is this the same Lucoa Kobayashi earlier criticized for having an "unrealistic" body? This show is actually reflective of real world feminism: feminists are criticizing feminists for not being feminist enough.

Fucking hell, my penis crawled back up into my body out of rage.

>>159418835
It's probably because they don't want overseas sales to skew what would be a good anime to fund in the future, which makes sense. They are targeting the local market. They're not trying to sell to us, we are just a bonus on the side.

Like I said, money is still changing hands, we are still moving product, but when they look at the sales they want to know how it is doing in Japan.

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>>159418968
>patriachy
>these voices

GOD FUCK GAS ENGLISH DUB VOICE ACTORS ALLTOGETHER

>>159419019
If they don't want to try to sell to us, then we have no reason to buy their product.

>make anime difficult to access if you aren't apart of mainland Japan
>the only way to easily access anime is through pirating or otherwise
>not even a majority of anime is covered by sub services

When I can conveniently as a Westerner get my anime medium in a method other than pirating it easily, that is well marketed, and essentially the same quality as the nips, then I will pay. Til then, the west aren't responsible for the downfall of 6.1% of sales, that's Japan's fault for ignoring the market outside of Japan and not creating an accessible medium for us.

>>159418150
there's no "free tv" in Japan anon

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>>159418101
Can I get some Kemono Friends reaction images?

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>>159419052
Want to make it even worse? The one complaining about the "patriarchy" is a pedophile who can only get away with it because her victim is male.

Also, who wrote this fucking script? This is not how real people talk, this is the kind of "conversation" you hear at Dashcon while they're lining up for the fucking ballpit.

You guys are missing the point of CR, that it is not a streaming service so much as it is a paid translation service. Horrible would be worthless without crunchy's subs to steal, because the fan community behind fansubs has more or less collapsed.

>>159418938

First of all quality is going to be bad for someone who isn't JLPT-3 at least. Most of Crunchy's translators are fresh JLPT-2 getting their first jobs with a few JLPT-3 (think Youjo Senki's INSTRUCTOR line).

Second, these gusy are getting paid shit wages, but do so because they're desperate for work experience. Most translators these days who aren't c>e chinks taking shit off baidu are either PAY ME LIKE I HAVE 10+ EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I JUST GOT JLPT-2 or they are lazy and won't do it.

most jap translators who don't try to go all the way as translators go full weeb and post on 2channel all day.

>>159419153
You know what he means. It costs much less to purchase a television subscription and have access to many series, and then possibly purchase the BDs, then have to rely on a streaming service to provide, or ship BDs for an inflated price (in a language that you likely don't know well).

>>159419059
That is just terrible logic and I can't believe you wrote it.

>you made something i enjoy but because you didnt make it with me in mind i have no reason to give you money for it!

I would pay to have 200 years of naturalism in the theater shot into the heads of everyone involved in a dub. I would pay a lot to the first anime company to release a special DVD of these people being tied up and beaten with big heavy spiky dildoes.

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>>159418101
Perfect choice of image, if not for the fact it's "free" to watch Kemono Friends I would never consider paying for it no matter what people would say, but here we are and I brought it. The only people who lose sells on piracy are talentless shithead selling shit products, but for everyone else it's free advertisement.

Fuck not another moralfags vs everyone-else thread

>mfw i just watch anime for free on abema.tv

In Australia you used to be able to watch anime including adult anime for free on our foreign channel. Back when it was good then it went full retard multicultural propaganda channel and stopped playing anime.

>>159419207
>it is a paid translation service
Given how shitty their subs are I would really hope they are more than a translation service.

>>159419207
I think that's understood that that's the purpose of CR, what's not understood is that there's still a lack of incentive. The episodes are still free a week after they're released in 480p, and even then, a lot of the times Crunchyroll isn't even up to date on anime that is coming out of Japan. Maybe if the Crunchyroll subscription offered something more enticing like a method to watch older anime in 1080p, or more difficult to find content, but there's no reason too because they don't have that really. It doesn't help that it doesn't even matter what money I throw at CR considering that it doesn't make up a huge marketshare for Japan, and also the marketshare it does make up is for the fags that watch SAO and Naruto. Essentially the same people who own a Netflix subscription and hulu. So I'm not even their primary target.

All in all, compared to other entertainment hubs that host content much better and quality than CR does, there's no reason why I would use it.

>>159418461
>It kind of does, assuming the service is legal.
Most of the cost you pay is absorbed by taxes, distribution fees, legal fees, fees fees fees. The percentage of royalties paid to the production studio is miniscule.

>>159419248
no one in here seems to be a moralfag though.

>>159419221
Not him but it's not terrible logic. It's more of "I want to buy your product but you either make it hard for me to buy it, too expensive for me, or giving shitty version of the product."

It's plain supply and demand. Piracy is mostly a distribution problem. Think steam with games.

Same as the music industry, as long as they can't provide a channel to get your anime fix easy and cheap, the nips and everyone else have only to blame themselves.
The music and film market managed this transition too...

I get some Malaysian imports for cheap with English subs... A whole season for less than what I would pay for 3-4 episodes on a local release.

>>159419324
Unless CR is completely different than every other western company, they usually pay a lump sum to license whatever series and use the money made off it to license more series. Your money doesn't directly go to the japs, but it is used to pay for other series.

>>159419207
>>159419367
>You guys are missing the point of CR, that it is not a streaming service so much as it is a paid translation service
And they translate mostly popular shit and niche/unpopular/hentai gets ignored by them because muh puritanism muh chillunz. Fansubs have died because companies like this aggressively purchase the rights to much and then never release their own content of it, but C&D the ass off anyone who does.

This shit is common in business; it's like a scorched earth policy to deny a competitor resources.

Ive thought of all sorts of ways to get people to buy things that work. Companies are basically stingy they could do so many things to stop piracy.

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>>159419367
>Unless CR is completely different than every other western company

>t. socialist

This is capitalism faggot.

>>159419284
ABC runs animu too or at least it used to. I remember around 2010 I caught it broadcasting Ergo Proxy and some show about highschool vampires.

>6.1% decline in sales
Maybe if they stopped charging $60 for a single episode on Bluray they wouldn't have this problem

Pput donation link on their website and see if that going to work.

1. Download to own
2. Charge reasonable prices ($80 for 2 episodes lmao fuck off)
3. TRANSLATE, do not rewrite the script full of witty memes or "hurr gamergate XD". I want to watch their show, not yours. A little localization is fine but christ.

Right now I only buy stuff I really like, usually the box set or figs or whatever

>>159419337
No, that's a different argument. A fairly valid one but there are legal means by which you can watch a lot of anime, especially currently airing shows, which that argument doesn't work against at all.

>>159419207
>First of all quality is going to be bad for someone who isn't JLPT-3 at least.
Even better, all that takes JP is a student with an equivalent comprehension of English, which is far more common than the current situation.
Pay them shitty wages (worse than the English natives) to translate from their native language to English.
Add an option for English subtitles on BDs, and possibly have the English translated to a few other popular languages.
Now they have a new market, and it took very little effort on their side.
>>159419221
That's now what I was saying.
I am saying that I won't buy a product that costs as much as a nice outfit if they won't even make the effort of including subtitles. The only BDs I own are for my favorite series. I haven't watched most of them because as soon as I felt like rewatching the series, a BD rip was available and subtitled.

That's right, I own the product and I still watched it illegally (it's not illegal here but that's beside the point.)
This wouldn't need to happen if they took advantage of their population of students with little income or job experience, yet fluency in Japanese and a decent grasp of English, to translate for them. From there, it won't be difficult to translate from English to Spanish or French or whatever. I don't see how they could possibly lose money when they're making their product more available to a larger audience for a small investment.

>>159419480
>but there are legal means by which you can watch a lot of anime
who fucking cares

>>159419439
I think it was because one of the guys from sbs moved to abc he was a weeb at the tail end of the period when they played exotic movies and shows.

>>159419480
>which that argument doesn't work against at all.
Except it does because those legal methods you're speaking of are absolute trash quality and don't support the creator even marginally reasonably.

>>159419153
Internet isn't free either. There, problem fixed.

>>159418101
those who don't buy would still never buy and those that do would still buy anime, infact seeing them on illegal sites and people talking about it makes them popular and urges others to buy them

>>159419480
CR and other services do not have everything (they largely focus on current and profitable series), and are terrible quality (I don't even like relying on rips of their trash just to see content early).

>>159419520
We've already determined that no methods directly support the creator anyway.

>>159419500
>if they won't even make the effort of including subtitles.
There are a bunch of series available to you then. I haven't been keeping track myself since I bought all of Horizon years ago which came with BD subs but I am sure there are a bunch of series you can choose from.

>>159418598
>>159419210
TV subscription is irrelevant. Anime producers have to pay for timeslots, they don't get any money from TV companies.
It may be different from highly popular anime that air during the daytime, but that's how it works for late night anime.

>>159419391
>And they translate mostly popular shit and niche/unpopular/hentai gets ignored by them because muh puritanism muh chillunz. Fansubs have died because companies like this aggressively purchase the rights to much and then never release their own content of it, but C&D the ass off anyone who does.

Protip: if you want to avoid C&D, you can release anonymously like on imgur, 4chan, leddit, tumblr, or any other jew bomb shelter provided you check your ego at the door.

But ego has always been a thing with translators, they want to show ownership over their TL's and so watermark and do other stupid shit. Cutting out the ego kills 90% of translators. It's one thing for something like Shingeki no Kyojin, it's another thing for VNs or LNs.

Nobody posts LN/VN transcripts anonymously because it's a lot of involved work you're doing for free. Those who might be willing to put in the time might not have the skills to make it happen.

Popular shit is translated because, surprise, a lot of people like popular shit. If there's a niche you like and want to share, learn jap and share your passion with others.

>its another "retards think a single cent of their CR sub goes anywhere near nipland" thread

>otaku are buying less BDs
>blame the profit loss on gaijin streams

CrunchyRoll and Fakku are basically parasites to the japanese industry that only fatten the middlemen (in CR's case, the chinese guys who made it and in fakku's case, Jewcob and Daiz)
The otaku not buying is their concern. Overseas markets have never counted, and some creators (Miyazaki) think that Japan shouldn't even be exporting it because it's a great national embarrassment.

>>159419580
>they don't get any money from TV companies.
Not entirely true. Some TV companies fund anime series.

>>159418744
Companies never look at second hand data like Oricon because they have first hand data of produced and sold disks that's why Kemono Friends destroyed stalker threads, they give out number of disks send to stores while no store had any disks left and the number was way higher than Oricon was showing.

>>159419578
>no methods directly support the creator anyway
Buying BDs and official merchandise (not printing your own shirts or buying them off e-shops) is as close to direct as you can get. Unless you mean literally sending money directly to each staff members bank account or paypal or something.

>>159419576

>>159418101
it's also not available worldwide, fuck i can only see 50 anime from my country on CR
HIDIVE, funimation, daisuki nothing works, this is the only way for me to watch anime

>>159418101
>6.1%
that's literally within expected margins

>>159419607
>national embarrassment.
All they have to do is ban pedo shit and no one will judge them.

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>BDs have declined by 6.1% since 2015 in Japan
What, am I supposed to wait a few months after the season ends before watching the show for the privilege of dropping $30 in postage plus whatever absurd number they're scamming Japs out of just to pick up their slack? How about no?
>the producer of fucking Kemono Friends
Mate your dogshit, ugly show already cost $10 real money to make

>they basically support piracy by giving advertising revenue to the people responsible for these uploaders. The creators, who the money is supposed to go to, don't get 1 yen.
We live in a fucking capitalist society mate. The consumer is free to pick whatever they think best suits their interests. If you want to compete with free shows, you need to provide more incentive to western audiences than 'pls stop it guys just buy my overpriced shit and get ignored for eternity'
Corporate kikes

>>159419607
>some creators (Miyazaki)
anyone else?
and what about the merchandises and blu-rays by funimation?

>>159418101
What the fuck does DB sales in Japan have to do with piracy? Do they stop buying discs because gaijins are downloading shows? How fucking retarded

>>159418101
What are the KF sales numbers up to now? It was at like 300k 2 months ago wasn't it?

>>159419592
Of course it does. They have to license shows somehow and that money comes from the pool of subscriptions.

Of course it doesn't mean that all of their subscription money is going to Japan but then you would have to be a moron to expect that.

>>159419012
Hey now, she's only 225.
Seriously, check out their panels at AX, or at least as much as you can stomach.

>>159419644
>no-one will judge them
Japan has never given a shit about what others think. Miyazaki does care because he's a westaboo faggot who wants to wear a cowboy hat like Ken-sama

>>159419607
>Miyazaki thinks his opinion matters after doing nothing of value but normie shit all his life
That's cute.

>>159419661
exactly, those who don't buy would still not buy this shit

>>159419627
>Buying BDs and official merchandise (not printing your own shirts or buying them off e-shops) is as close to direct as you can get.
Which I believe I covered here >>159418821

>>159419690
*Kenichi Smith fuck

>>159419644
People bitch about girls in anime regardless of age, MAL-kun.

>>159418101
>Is watching releases on streaming site "illegal"?
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
Technically, but not like I care if something's legal since I'm not going to get punished for it anyway.

>>159419690
And so the national embarrasement continues. Its like fat weebs that don't watch their weight.

But you are wrong everyone normal that deals what th japan says otaku culture is embarrassing and surprisingly japanese people manage to keep it out of their lives.
So they obviously do give a shit.

>>159419728
The are faggots

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>>159418101
Yeah of course it's illegal, at least in most places. You can try to justify it or whatever, but it's illegal at the end of the day. Do I care? No not really.

>>159418101
1. Anime ain't meant for those outside of glorious Nippon. Many of the themes are to controversial or get butchered when brought over. It's inviting conflict so I don't want it to be more assessable.
2. As someone who can understand a little nip fansubbing is almost universally better than the official.
3. I don't download anime. Though if they want to stop people from being shits go after things like YouTube first where you can straight watch entire series.
4. Most anime is shit. As is with most things. I don't care enough to spend money just to find out I don't like something.

>>159419644
>no one will judge them
But who is judging them? Nowadays everyone likes at least some aspects of Japanese culture, and anime has played an important role in popularizing it abroad. The side effect is that you get prudes who complaing about drawn tits (fanservice with real tits in western media are OK though) and idiots who think "anime = real Japan", but who cares about them?

>>159419742
I meant others as in foreigners. They couldn't care less what filthy gaijin piggu thinks. They might hate anime otakus, but they don't give a fuck if anyone else hates them too.

>>159418101
What's the difference between downloading it and watching it legally on a streaming site with adblock enabled apart from the obvious drop in quality?

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>>159418101
I don't give a shit, there is no other way to watch anime in my shithole of a country, there are no manga stores, nothing. The only way to legally watch it is CR and that's not happening any time soon.

>>159419802
Im talking about japppps man they care. Its called national pride durr

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>Stupid goy, just sign up to Crunchyroll already and support your favorite hobby.
I don't sign up to streaming sites because their money goes to production companies who aren't interested in making good or unique anime and will just shit out LN adaptations regardless of how rich they are.
I try to buy as much manga as possible though since I know that the creator is still directly benefiting by receiving his wage and the publisher allowing his work to continue because of it.

>>159419857
Their national pride is not based on how it is perceived by foreigners, you dumb fuck. It never has been.

Hopefully Amazon will kill off Funi and CR.Glory of fansub will return.

>>159419742
>everyone normal that deals what th japan says otaku culture is embarrassing
>One Piece ads everywhere
>people reading manga on train
>there's one entire neighborhood dedicated to otaku stuff
Wait a sec, something doesn't add up here.

>>159419901
every season CRcucks and Funicucks are crying about amazon, good shit

>>159419857
Are you mentally challenged?

>>159419911
>he thinks otakus are just normal anime fans
Otakus take it to the next level.

>>159419896
National pride is intrinsically linked to that you complete utter fool.
If the country next to you is living in pig shit while you live in a shining metropolis you are going to feel pride.
Fuck sake the shit anons say.

>>159419911
>reading manga in public is otaku culture
>implying you know what otaku culture is
>one street in an entire country means Japan as as ociety is fine with anime otakus
Lurk more pls

>>159419949
I didnt say that but anyway in talking with webs they think japan is entirely otaku.

>>159419950
>National pride is intrinsically linked to that you complete utter fool
Not exclusively it's not. Go read a fucking book.

>>159419966
A book doesnt dictate how people feel pride moron.
You dont understand national,pride because you are mentally challenged gaijin

>>159419846
>making excuses
Piracy is a meme. Watch whatever you want. Support whoever you want. As long as you KNOW the repercussions of either action who cares what is 'legal' or 'moral'. It's just a cartoon.

>>159419921
It isn't good shit because Amazon and Netflix delay subs and fucking suck. They all suck dick.

>>159419950
>if you look down on the people next to you, that means you're going to care what they think about you
You think the shining metropolis people would give a fuck what the pig shit people have to say about their cartoons?

>>159419949
How?

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>>159420043
>You think the shining metropolis people would give a fuck what the pig shit people have to say about their cartoons?
This.

>>159420046
Do you know the definition of the word?

>>159420046
You need to lurk. You don't know anything and you're posting as though you do.

>>159420043
You completely misunderstood what i meant by assuming i was talking about japan as the shining metropolis you filthy fucking weeb.

>>159419995
And you don't dictate how people feel national pride. But reading a book might give you enough knowledge and insight to understand that national pride is idiosyncratic, and Japan has always been prideful in how it is perceived from whithin, not in how it is perceived from without.

>>159420006
I view it as a product that I want but hasn't been made available for my country so I'm using a bootleg version of it. Besides, everyone in this shithole is pirating everything, nobody gives a shit here.

>>159420046
>the only anime I've watched are Cowboy Bebop and DBZ on Toonami
Watch more anime and lurk more.

>>159420073
Thats not the point of the metaphor. Its in reverse it a metaphor for societal standards.

>>159418101
I'll stop when they charge a sensible price for their dvds

>>159420082
So what you're saying is that your metaphor had no relation at all to the situation at hand.
K.

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>live in a globalist capitalist society
>wrestle every concession and monopolise distribution to inflate prices to absurd levels
>its okay because you live in a capitalist society, you should do what benefits you most
>cut every animation corner imaginable, rush every schedule as hard as you can, work your animation crew/mangaka to the point of human rights violation
>anime is cheaper than ever to make, more of it is getting made, more of it is getting sold
>its okay though, you're just taking advantage of global capitalism

>penniless gaijin neets, choosing between dropping hundreds of dollars or just watching for free, go with what benefits them most because this is a capitalist society
>throw a shitfit because you thought only you were supposed to reap the benefit
Fucking thieving goyim!

>>159420087
>you are not the boss of me
Oh great im talking to a woman. Fuck off retard. I bet you think scat porn is a form of national pride.

>>159420133
>goyim!
Stopped reading there.
Fuck off back to /pol/, retard.

>>159420172
>stopped reading at the end
Nice, you're getting the hang of it

>>159420133
back to your containment board, retard

>>159420082
Nips don't give the slightest ounce of a deep fried fuck what other countries think about them, dickhead. Look at their response to the EU trying to shame them for selling loli hentai, they simply told them to fuck off and mind their own business.

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>>159420082
>pigshit people: I think your cartoons are weird and stuff
>shining metropolis people: I don't think about you at all
Now fuck off you dumb cunt.
>>159420148
Oh God you just keep being a retarded faggot.

>>159418101
>Is watching releases on streaming site "illegal"?
Eh, this depends on which law you are trying to apply to it.
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
With the level of meme subs, this is almost legal from a "fair use" commentary point of view. Almost.

>>159420172
>Stopped reading on literally the last word
lol u retard

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Why doesn't CR start publishing and funding anime like Netflix are doing with the new Devilman anime?
I don't really see how they're helping the industry grow at all when they just give some dividends to Toei animation or something

>>159420184
>>159420212
Newfags? Or are you just perpetuating the rest of the stages that come with this stupid shit. I can never tell anymore.

>>159420199
If the japs were not embarrassed by others view f them they would never have modernised. National pride and their society relative to other nations is what drove modernisation there you ignorant piggu.

>>159420240
It seems like you're losing touch then

>>159419584
You're on to something, the (You)s I got when I released the first thing I TL'd were intoxicating.

>>159418101
I hope "piracy 'dies

and then these faggots cry about "muh decreasing popularity" and "muh market exposure"

>>159420208
You still are not getting the metaphor dumb weeb its the pig shit people making the fucking cartoons. Jesus fucking christ weebs man.

>>159420240
it's okay, retard. society is very accepting of yours these days.

>>159420212
>>159420184
>blatant summerfags
Fuck off.

>>159420267
>metaphor is supposedly about japs having national pride
>n-no in the metaphor the japs were the people with no pride at all
I want you to explain exactly what you meant with your metaphor and how it makes any sense at all.

>english "dubs"
>add your own bullshit that is not relevant to the story nor aligns with the original dialogue

why is this allowed?

>>159420267
You are not understanding that in every metaphor Japan invariably sees itself as the shining metropolis and everyone else as pigshit because of their NATIONAL PRIDE, you dumb shit. We have come full circle and you've been destroyed by your own logic.

Only suicide can spare you from this anal annihilation.

>>159420299
>summerfag meme
Newfag detected

>>159420312
I already did you autistic cunt

>>159420267
>>159420319
Both be quiet. It was funny now it isn't.

>>159420320
Moot lied about that shit so he and the mods didn't have to actually do anything to stem the flood of shit killing the site every summer. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>159420218
I remember something about them helping to fund some really shit shows like Masamuse-kun and Kememo Friends.

>>159420319
Oh dear god you are a weeb. You think japan is no.1 and a shining metroplis.

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I'll keep watching animu online till they hunt me down and ban me from the internet..

Until then all these whining fags can eat a dick.

>>159418101
>"Are you watching anime illegally anon? You have to change your ways!"
>"Okay mister merchant, here's my money!"
>"Oops, content not available for your country."
>"That's unfortunate."
Yeah, fuck them.
Besides, I don't have money.

>>159420327
Did you? Because literally everyone in this thread is calling you a retard for making a "metaphor" with no relation to anything you're trying to prove. It defeats the entire purpose of making a metaphor at all if you just say "I already did" when someone asks for clarification when all you did was prove the exact opposite of what you were trying to show.

>>159418101
>since 2015 in Japan

In the trash it goes

>>159420172
>>159420188
>thinks im some /r/the_donald fag because I said a mean word
Yeah okay dude, enjoy your blurays I guess

>>159420342
>Moot
>M
Ah so it's a moot/mod conspiracy theory; it's not like you're new and retarded enough to believe that or anything.

>>159420320
>summerfag
>meme
lurk for 2 years before posting

>>159418101
>kawauso on the frontpage

Yess.

>>159420360
>hunt me down and ban me from the internet..
didn't this actually happen with some torrent host?

>>159419240
I want to fuck the owls.

>>159420246
They modernized because that's what nations do to keep up with the necessities of their growing and evolving population, you pig shit for brain cunt. If you were offered the opportunity to make your citizens' lives easier would you not take it? That doesn't mean you do it because your neighbors will laugh at you if you don't, it's called progress for the sake of your own sake. And if you're referring to the globalist parts of their evolution, might that have to do with a certain country that took two massive shits on them after a certain big war then grabbed them by the balls ever since? Fucking idiot.

>>159420393
>summerfag
>real
Site stats don't lie. There have been booms in newfags but they're around events. There's no seasonal discrepancy fag.

>>159420319
The pig stie metapor is about people living in degenerate filth that embarresses them. This hurts national pride. Its universal. The people in the nice city dont have that they have the perfect society. Its something to feel proud about.

>>159420367
You are just an idiot you assumed shining metroplis meant something real. You dont know what a metaphor is.

>>159420431
Look at the catalog multiple times a day from May-September. If you can't tell you're blind or as new as them.

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>>159419742
>And so the national embarrasement continues
Japan is using anime/manga characters to promote the 2020 Olympics.
Explain that.

>>159420432
That may be true, but it has nothing to do with what the other anon was saying. He said national pride is intrinsically related on how outside observers perceive the culture in question. Japan is an outlier (though not singularly unique) in this regard because it absolutely gives no fucks on how foreigners perceive it.

>>159420496
>Naruto
Kek, /a/ BTFO.

>>159420474
Confirmation bias

>>159420496
I literally didnt say that. As always no one asks the right questions and assumes everything based on autistic stupidity.
I actually think anime is something they SHOULD feel proud about.

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>>159420468
I think you're just a brainlet autist who's probably a dirty brown person and is incapable of composing himself. This is the last (you) you'll be getting from me, please learn how to compose both your thoughts and a sentence.

>>159420522
>normalfag anime being used to promote a global normalfag event
wow btfo indeed

>>159420496
>shinchan

what? didn't shinchan fade in popularity long ago?

>>159418101
Anime woulndt be as big as it is here if we didn't get it for free

>>159420522
They're clearly using their most marketable IPs. Almost all of those characters have a good chance being recognised by foreign normalfags. Actually, with that train of thought I'm surprised there's no Lupin.

>>159420548
fuck no

>>159420567
I'm surprised there is no Conan or Doraemon

>>159418101
Germany is probably just a market size blip compared to the US (/English-speaking world) from their eyes.

>>159420567
Lupin is grimdark serious business and not family friendly

>>159418101
>paying for anime

>>159418929
I'm not sure if its a thing for anime, but Steam is a necessary evil for game developers. Valve takes a massive 30% cut from all sales, which they can do since their platform is so fucking strong. If they have something similar for anime, it should be worse than CR.

>>159420641
GoG is better than steam in every possible way. The only draw back is with games that root their multiplayer in steam services which get crippled over at galaxies limited playerbase.

>>159418101
Could someone code a tool to rip the available series list from CR for different countries and then graph percent available per season per country.

>>159420641
I'd be fine with it if Steam put the original non-sub versions out for rent and allowed people to use their own subtitles or Steam's subs as a default

>>159418101
>A lot of us are guilty of viewing anime trough illegal channels
>include picking up Blu-ray on the cheap
Nigger, seriously?

>>159420746
Yes boy(im) don't sell used copies of media to your friends. Sell them back to the distributor so the creators can get money. Don't even tell me you mean to let them BORROW it for free? You know they could have bought a whole other copy if you hadn't done that? Think of the starving animation studio!

>>159420746
i think they were talking about people burning their own dvd/bd and selling them and not buying them on sale

>>159420736
Probably not allowed.

I once had a DVD that had German audio and an option for English audio (but only with locked German subtitles you could not disable).

Even more infuriating:
Every service that sells or rents out movies (Amazon, Google, ...) only makes the German version available for sale or rent.

They don't want to give more than they have to if they can avoid it. DVD's and BD's should always include the original language by law, even if the original language is not present in the same Region locking section or the subsection of the market the disc caters to.

>>159418101
This has nothing to do with anyone outside Japan, so there's no problem.

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>>159418101
>SO....
Someone tell me why is this thread still alive.

>>159420736
That would also be a great feature for BD-Players. But it's probably not allowed.

>>159420849
I enjoy being angry

why they don't care for customers outside of japan so i could careless

>>159418679
t. gamergate

>>159418101

I don't trust the legal distributors. They only seem nice right now because they're in a precarious position. As soon as they've crushed all alternatives and have the market on lockdown, they'll start seeing what they can do to bend the knee to the left wing propaganda machine that's ruined our media.

>>159420680
you can crossplay with Steam games now

Just checked crunchyroll and they have 8 of the 16 shows that im watching and also airing. What can i even do. i pirate and would like to support the industry in any way considering pirating means no contribution but more company's need to get on board.

>>159418321
>wanting CR to do anything
>thinking CR matters
>CR thinking they matter
please stop

>>159420961
PC continues to be the platform with the most freedom.

>>159420961
Not on everything. The lack of cross play on Dragons Dogma is fucking killing me. Also the connectivity is ass. Only bad purchase from that place.

>>159420361
Why are you greentexting things you can't even relate?

>>159420948
They are already obsessively rewriting dialogue in games and shows from japan. Not to mention the actual visuals being editted.

>>159418101
i'd love to support the industry, but japan needs to be less xenophobic when it comes to sharing their content internationally don't get me wrong they have made a lot of progress with crunchy and shit, but its just not enough give western fans a way to support the industry in a way that makes sense and gives us every release the japs get and we will talk, and this isn't even discussing the main turn off, the price gouging who wants to buy merch and dvds that are outrageously priced.

If i like a show i but something of the licenced merchandise or the manga.
I am supporting them directly. I got your back japan!

Tbh, its their own damn fault for not reaching marketb outside their own country. You can't say they lose profit because piracy coz we are not listed in their profitable market in the first place. Oh and if it not for streaming or some anime website that list illegal anime, dont think I will ever browse the moonrune website on internet just to find some anime and then buy its Blu Ray head on. Its like playing russian roulette, you hit good anime or miss it. And ofc it not wise and only some people will do it

>>159418101
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
Considering what kind of trashlations they usually selling - especially Amazon, Sentai, Funi and Daisuki, but CR have their own memecartel translators too - it should be illegal to ask money for them in the first place. Not to mention that if there's no legal means to get it anyway, since it's "not available for your country", then there's nothing to talk about.
tl;dr No, and jewish nips can fuck themselves.

>>159421027
Have you not read most of the thread? CR really doesnt do much to "support" Japan. You'd help them more by buying a figurine a year then a cr sub.

>>159421045
>but
Buy

>>159421027
>but japan needs to be less xenophobic when it comes to sharing their content internationally
That's the only thing keeping them safe. Better to be self sufficient and short a few dollars than rich and inundated with crap.
Look at the demands being made of dubs and localisation edits. There is no positive for them interacting with us. Western money would poor in from normalfags who buy things to be special and wacky and everything would fall apart.

>>159421053
t. didn't read the article
This article and statement have nothing to do with the west, regardless of the content of the thread. They're just asking people in japan to buy or watch on t.v not to pirate.
I'd watch on t.v if I could but I'm not in japan, see.

>>159421063
It absolutely does since new anime gets added all the time. i don't use it but i can imagine that the studios wouldn't be involved if they didn't make money.

I see this ending in three scenarios

one
>jap companies get in hands with american shekelsteins for a "piracy" crackdown
>they subsequently fuck up their distribution and animu declines massively in popularity with some other variety of chinese cartoons with lax copyright laws taking over

two
>jap companies get in hands with american shekelsteins for a "piracy" crackdown
>they get a steam-like "cancerous but effective" distribution for plebs, normies and newbies to sperg out in
>anime becomes the new mainstream and /a/nons move on to something else

three
>half of one and half of two
>things go on as usual

>>159421096
I. I can't even. How much of the kool-aid did you drink?

>>159418101
Sales are declining because they haven't made enough idol anime

>>159421097
Weebs forget animes being mainstreamed for years thats what licenced cartoons for western audiences were.
Every kid grew up with transformers thats japanese.

>>159421070
well then honestly i don't see the answer in a way that benefits the industry, the pandering to the perverts and neets is already bad enough, they can't fall much further down before a complete collapse.
im not saying japan needs to abandon its right to remain isolationist ( hell im from america and i wish my country would be isolationist) but i mean come the fuck on japan is so closed off im surprised the industry and others have survived this long.

>>159419964
unless theyre kids then most anime watchers are otaku. unlike here with retards who hate reading and anime is the mainstream route, in japan reading manga is pretty common but watching anime on tv past a certain age just paints you as a huge fucking geek.

>>159418968
>Toe-roo
>oh-moo-rice
Stopped once the OP played

>>159421147
for anime to be aired on american TV it needs be either a special kind of garbage, like the DBCancer or some other non-threatening shit like SnK

>>159418101
Piracy is a market failure, the onus is on the devs, not the consumers, to change.

>>159419673
she weighs nearly as much as I do and I've lost weight.

I've never bought merch, where should I start? I do use CR and what's not on that I Pirate but now Netflix and amazon are picking up shoes and it's going to be just like fucking cable TV

>>159421166
Watching anime doesnt make you otaku. Its a private interest. Otakus and weebs make it a nonprivate issue.

>>159421165
>im surprised the industry and others have survived this long
Why? It's not an international industry. "We've" illegally propped up the product with "our" own sweat and tears. If people hadn't gone to such lengths with fan subbing, a task and undertaking entirely outside of the industry, there wouldn't even be the unexploited demographic in the west that there is now.
Anime is for Japan, it was never intended for, nor does it need, the west

>>159418101
I'd move to Japan but I don't want to pollute their country with my non-Japanese genetics

And I also don't want to be associated with the kind of dumb cancerous gaijin that live there.

>>159420604
Lupin is popular in Italy with all ages.

>>159418101
If the anime industry is dependent on blu-ray sales then it needs to look at a calendar because it's literally twenty seventeen.

If there was an equivalent of GOG or Humble for anime, I'd pay for it, but no such service exists. The game industry learned a long time ago that you have to directly compete with pirates by matching the convenience they offer, instead of selling an inferior product.

Anime industry needs to do the same because paying for streams is a sick meme. I want the files, I want them in decent quality and I want to play them on the device of my choice. Piracy is the only avenue that meets my criteria. They're simply offering a superior product.

>>159418101
I would be more than happy to to buy more anime if they were cheaper. Anime is expensive as fuck. If they want me to pay for their shit then they need to get their shit together and start making it worth buying.

>>159421224
Just go to an online anime shop and buy something from your favourite show. And apologize!

>>159421224
>I do use CR
Start by leaving

>>159421070
Less xenophobic could be accomplished by just providing their own streaming service outside of japan that has subs, acknowledge that we want to give you money for what we like, don't cater to the west at all unless that was the shows goal from the outset.

>>159421132
Sales are declining because they make too much anime. They saturating marked, and there's only so much people who buy those overpriced BDs in the first place.

>>159421290
It's more of a distribution problem.

>>159421027
go back to /r/anime

>>159421287
>don't cater to [source of income]
You're retarded or idealistic. That's not how it works. If they go to pains to make an infrastructure for the west that works, the west will become the prime mover and shaker in anime production purely due to financial advantage.

>>159420172
Gave me a chuckle.

>>159418705
are you saying we should just let N.Korea do its thing

>>159421027
>less xenophobic
fuck off, the "xenophobia" is what is protecting anime from becoming western bullshit 2.0

>>159421166
I want to hear more about this. Reading manga on the subway is OK, but watching an anime adaptation of the manga you were reading, in the privacy of your own home, make you an otaku?
What exactly makes you an otaku in Japan? What if you only watch josei anime?

>>159421239
oh give me a break, thats complete bs. exploring international markets is how modern trade works in every country on earth. there is no logical excuse for them to not explore that potential marketshare weather or not it was propped up by the fans or not, the reason it was propped up and is so popular is because their is a huge demand for that product that isn't being provided domestically this means there is a huge vacuum for profitability that isn't being explored because of xenophobia.

>>159418796
it's like paying for HorribleSubs, pretty sure it's just CR streams.

>>159421279
Kek I only kept using it because it was easy to keep up with what I've watched but since I've started using kodi and addons I think I'll stop soon desu

>HorribleSubs

hah, I remember going into their IRC channel and screeching at them for 2 hours because they failed to add -kun -sama -san prefixes in their subtitles once

good times

I'd subscribe to something like CR if it had everything I wanted to watch. I don't think I want to sub to 3/4 different sites and still not catch absolutely everything. Not to mention the video or subtitle quality on some releases.

I'll pay to import manga from Japan since I know what I'm getting. Everything from the streaming sites is such a mixed bag Also puts me off.

>>159421347
>there is no logical excuse for them to not explore
>excuse
Excuse implied a onus or responsibility. It's their choice and they don't want to. There's no excuse necessarily. Get fucked.

>>159421027
>japan needs to be less xenophobic
No.

>>159421388
Honourifics are good shit. That's the one good thing Diaz ever did.

>>159421388
>prefixes
what?

>>159421403
then when the industry dies you or them can complain. if you aren't going to adapt to the modern age of information then you are doomed.
and the devs like in the op's post can cry all they want on twitter and it isn't going to change shit.

>>159421388
Well, they are HORRIBLE after all...

>>159421310
How so?

>>159421268
Imagine if they made a central Anime streaming platform that streams Anime non-Discriminatory and local Publishers get a cut of the revenue of the specific Anime they licensed.

So everyone who watches Anime on this platform from a country that has that Anime licensed gives revenue to that licensor (with a small cut for the platform).
That licensor will get a bigger cut if he offers his dubs/subs to the platform.
That licensor will also get a bigger cut if they choose to take over local operation expenses of that platform.
BD's also get a bigger cut.

This will result in no bullshit-non-availability.

>>159421388
>prefixes

desu baka kun-anon

>>159418321
Hulu has been doing that for a few shows.

>>159418101
Well

KF is a success thanks to people sharing it,so he actually needs to be grateful.

>>159421346
Watching late-night Anime or buying BD's makes you an Otaku.

>>159421437
>aren't going to adapt
Again with the implication that yours is the only choice if one wants to progress. You keep talking but what you're really saying is that you're a fucking idiot.

It would be funny if the Japanese noticed a spike in merchandise being bought by westerners. It would give clear signals to what shows people like and increase the production of merchandise leading to more anime.

>>159421388
>prefixes
kek

>>159421290
Sales don't drop from increase of supply
Sales drop when they don't meet enough demands of consumers, which are idols

>>159421482
I didn't realize that people pirating it in the west is the reason why KF exploded in Japan

>>159421486
FUCK NO

I don't want them to be influenced by western tastes (which are by all accounts, shit)

>>159421485
>industry is clearly on the decline
>said industry cries about piracy
>said industry is outlandishly outdated
>industry refuses to adapt to modern days to save itself
>doesn't explore 100% of its marketability

and im the idiot.

>>159421097
>and /a/nons move on to something else
If there are any such people here, they are welcome to move on to something else right now. Fucking retards
I watch anime because I like it, not because it's obscure and hipstery, not because it makes me feel like I'm crusading against "le ebul normalshits", not because of any shitty indirect reason.

Daisuki needs to become a bigger player in the industry. They are the only legal provider that lets you stream anime at HD quality while also allowing you to watch shows right as the aired for free.

>>159421510
No

He is obviously talking about Japan

>>159421545
contrarianism is in 4chan's DNA, it WILL happen

>>159421534
They wouldnt be influenced by western tastes you dork. it would just increase the production of anime to make more merchandise. Better merchandise and better anime.

>>159421550
there's a reason why the good guys always lose and shit selling merchants win

>>159418101
I feel bad for doing it but I do it anyway.

>>159421534
You're an idiot.

>>159421319

Thing is, when people say "cater to the west", they actually mean "cater to the mentally ill activist types", who most certainly don't represent the average westerner. Businesses and politicians alike currently have an irrational fear of purple haired hambeasts shouting retarded slogans and carrying signs with incoherent messages.

We're not scared that they're going to cater to the market. We're worried because we know that they're going to cater to the activists, and the actual customers will get a "purese understandu" at best. Thus, the market has decided to keep power away from the activists by keeping it away from the people who probably will cater to them.

>>159418983
where in Europe or Mexico is this

>>159421346
>What exactly makes you an otaku in Japan?
Being obsessed with your hobby. I'm not sure how they see "normal" people who watch anime, or if they even exist for that matter.

>>159421645
>who most certainly don't represent the average westerner
and yet they most certainly DO push a lot of cash around. It's those self righteous retards who manage to keep patreons going and the like. Average fails to matter in a market. It's not about individuals within a demographic but returns,

>>159421645
this

>>159421095
So u think they only care about piracy in their own country?

>>159421534
Lets put it this way if you dont pay for your favourite anime or buy the merchandise. The creator has no incentive to make more like it. You just played yourself.

>>159421645
Why do activists have so much power? If they had tried this shit a decade a decade ago, everyone would have told them to fuck off. And now even normal people are listening to them just because they're scared.

>>159421647
>Europe or Mexico
I'm pretty sure the US is much more intolerant towards anime and manga.

>>159418101
They can gargle on my balls. I ain't paying shit.

>>159421707
scare tactics and better organization with the advent of social media

>>159421707
It's all about Virtue signaling now And a bunch of shit about if you dont stand for x you're racist a bigot and all this other stupid shit. It's mostly rich white kids with nothing better to do in college.

>>159421692
Yes, phone poster. You know how I know? Because that's what the statement is about. You want to talk western piracy? Go find your own statements instead of twisting them in shill articles.

>>159421731
based

>>159421707
Because they go around threatening people behind the scenes and useful neurotic idiots aid them thinking they are fighting some injustice or some shit.

>>159418101
It is not illegal, at least in my opinion, if I have adblock on. Sites like those don't need to make money off of my downloads, so I always have adblock on, just in case.
Frankly, I would buy BDs, if they didn't have such shitty subs.

>>159419153
>>159418598
a computer isn't free too you fucking retards
it's the same shit

>>159421499
>Sales don't drop from increase of supply
They sure are. When there's 50-70 shows per season while not so long ago it was only 25, while fanbase numbers stays more or less the same, then they can buy only so much. Idolshit channels entirely another market.

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>Westerner complaining about BD/DVD sales in Japan
>Not realizing otaku Nips are being nickle and dimed on purchasing said BD/DVDs for years.

Baka gaijin

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>>159418101
I'll stop pirating anime and manga at the same moment when I stop pirating books and moves.
I have long accepted that I'm amoral leech.

>>159421848
>otaku Nips are being nickle and dimed
>baka gaijin

I'd watch it legally if it wasn't either by shitty company DVD/BD releases or pleb tier streaming services

It's getting more complicated now since it's not just CR. Amazon wants a piece of the pie and so does Netflix.

>>159421921
aren't Netflix helping to fund the next Trigger shows?

>>159421939
Yes, what absolute cancer.

>>159421939
I have no clue. I didn't watch it/ keep up to date with how the relationship went. I assume it went well for both though.

>>159421848
And funny thing is, even Sadpanda ip access hits shows that the Nips themselves tend to pirate their own made stuff more.

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>>159421983
And Tattun hinted that they might have another crowdfund

>>159420346
CR didn't do shit for Kemono Friends besides have a shitty, unnecessary cameo of their mascot.

>>159422021
So it really is (((our))) fault.

>>159419210
Actually, anime series are vastly distributed in a wide array of TV networks in Japland. Its actually cheaper to subscribe to an anime-only streaming service than paying monthly subscriptions to TV Asashi, Fuji TV, NHK and etc.

>>159422055
Whats so bad about crowdfunding? Like it worked with some vidyas

>>159422086
Crunchyroll has a mascotte?

>>159422206
Cheapskate smartasses hate crowdfunding on here even though it works

>>159422206
fuck off and kill yourself

>>159421707

Fear and bubbles. If you have a choice between angering a mob who are made up of violent thugs and dishonest ideologues who've infiltrated old and powerful institutions in the name of pushing their agenda and angering a relatively peaceful group of average Joes who might fling some insults, which do you chose? As people cave to the mob, the perception that they represent the true face of the culture comes into play. The institutions are currently being discredited, thankfully, and the police will have less of a problem with mopping up the violent thugs with their protection gone.

>If they had tried this shit a decade a decade ago, everyone would have told them to fuck off.

Not true. Purease understandu was present from the religious right days all the way through the passing of the torch to the progressive left to today. We've had a tug-of-war going on between Marxists and Bible thumpers for the past fifty years, with the past thirty years having several attempts by both trying to move in to kill people's civil liberties. I'm hoping that this particular foiling is the last one in our lifetimes as the torch gets passed to libertarians and classical liberals.

>>159418101
>Is watching releases on streaming site "illegal"?
Yes
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
Yes

However, the question you should be asking is, "Is it morally right to pay money to companies that take advantage of being the only real money in the market to exploit anime creators and western anime fans?"
To which the answer is "No". Don't give money to CR or any other western anime streaming service. They are exploiting the market, paying the actual creators in Japan peanuts and ripping off everyone who pays for their subscriptions by charging several times more than they really should be considering how much they actually pay for the content they're streaming.

Don't let their unjust monopoly on subbed anime force you into paying those scum money. This is not a free market, it's a rigged one that is bad for everyone other than Crunchy Roll and others like them.

You would be doing the right thing by supporting anime through buying merchandise or BDs. The only people you're supporting by paying for anime streaming services are people who laugh about how much money they're scamming out of the situation as it currently stands.

>>159422206
>Like it worked with some vidyas
I can name one that's actually good everything else in scam tier garbage.

Fuck off Daiz.

>>159421645
>Thing is, when people say "cater to the west", they actually mean "cater to the mentally ill activist types", who most certainly don't represent the average westerner
Except Japan do see them as your average westerner. Like in the interview with SAO's author, he talked about how America as a whole has a politically correct view against SAO because your typical feminist reporter complained about how Kirito is a powerful male who protects the heroine.

川原さん：なるほど。そういえば、アメリカでは“守られるだけのヒロイン”って許されないんです。TVアニメシリーズ第1期の途中では、アスナが悪いやつに囚われの身になってキリトが助けに行く流れになりますが、アメリカの記者さんから「これは男性優位主義的だ」って指摘されました。なるほど、ポリティカリィ・コレクト（政治的に正しい）じゃなかったなって。

>>159418101
>or just dont charge 30 bucks for 3 episodes
what? try 80bux for 2 episodes, retard

I honestly don't understand how japan can put up with the $80 bds for 2-3 episodes.

>>159421822
>When there's 50-70 shows per season while not so long ago it was only 25, while fanbase numbers stays more or less the same, then they can buy only so much
I think you are confused here, we aren't talking about sales per series, we are talking about overall sales of whole industry, sales of every series added up together.

If there's enough people supporting the industry by not watching illegal streams, I don't think there's any harm in watching them, especially since the uploaders are the only ones doing any wrong.

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Yes, streams and torrents are illegal. Yes, I would to watch all my anime legally. However no, I cannot because that would require multiple site subscriptions and/or buying physical which is too expensive. All the legal sites should have access to all anime so we only have to subscribe once. Then when we find something really worth investing in we can buy the physical. It's not hard. The current situation sucks.

>>159422599
Yes and?

>>159418101
I think everyone in the thread is missing the point. The complaints are about financially supporting piracy.

>>159418101
>Is watching releases on streaming site "illegal"?
Yes.
>Is downloading subbed version on HorribleSubs "illegal"?
Yes.

Do I care?
No, because fuck the globalists.

>>159421510
it certainly helped, Japan noticed /a/ was talking about it.

>>159422612
The multiple subs thing is fucked. Amazon is $100 upfront alone.

>>159422663
The pirates can be financially denied by installing ad blockers.

As for the industry laborers "not getting those money", this is a deceptive and irrelevant argument. They don't get money either way because making anime is a contract job. They don't get more money just because you watch anime on CR. What helps is if the animators make e-panhandling account such as Patreon.

>>159421718
he specifically mentioned Pokemon, unless he's only shopping at Walmart.

>>159418101
Yes to both but since I wasn't the original target audience, wouldn't matter whether I did or not pirate stuff anyways. The "official" ways of doing so are also blocked in my country so there's just no way but to keep my ways until the endtimes.

>>159422566
That's why those that upload the BD rips or OVAs of any show are the true heroes that deserve their cock sucked for days

>>159422650
So what you just said doesn't apply here.
Your sales decreasing situation only applies to "per series", not the industry as a whole, which adds up all the reduced sales per series as one.