Otoyomegatari

I don't wanna get SLAV'd

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>>159319843
You do realize Kaoru Mori literally never does anything on the darker side? We're 99% going to stick to happy marriage stories

Only if they were 2D.
>>159320077
And yet the looming threat of Russians is growing ever closer.

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>>159320077
best twins

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>>159320174
At worst, they get displaced like they did in real history. Relocating and/or having to live under Russian people coming in and stealing all of their land is what generally happens.

This isn't Shut Hell. This is Otoyomegatari which literally means a Bride's Tale. If you're familiar with her other work like Emma, she tends to overemphasize things.

I just want Mr. Smith to get with his widowed wife lover. I really hope for them to get together since she's technically one of the brides.

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Pariya is cute!

>>159321626
I want to lick her eyebrows.

>Dating

Did you even read the manga? She was sold to the kids family.

That said, Steppe Waifus are God tier waifus.

>>159322183
They may as well be dating with how little action we've seen thus far.

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>>159323105
Isn't he like 13 already? He should be able to make sperm and impregnate Amira

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Why is Pariya so cute? Is it her eyebrows?

Only if they're muslim

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>>159326616
I actually never figured it out but are they Muslim or are they still worshipping Tengrism in the manga?

cant get enough of this series

>>159326976
When does it take place again? If past 700AD they probably got slammed

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>>159327162
Early 1900's.

Don't know about the Uzbeks though (which is what I'm assuming they are at).

>>159327187
Really? I assumed 1600s at least. Isn't that too contemporary? If so, yes. All muslim.

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>>159327241
The key indicator was the presence of rifles, Russians, and the fact that the author stated that this was around the time when the Great Game between the Russian Empire and Great Britain was happening.

She really seems to like this time period seeing as Emma was around the same time.

>>159327274
You can also tell they aren't tengrii and muslim by the way they cover a bit of their hair, but not all of it.
Keep posting more art though. It's really exotic.

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>>159327331
Wait, I'm a bit confused now. So they aren't either Muslim or Tengri?

>>159327373
Oops, typo. I meant they aren't tengrii but are muslim

>>159327187
Wasn't it late 1800's?

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>>159327415
Ah I see. It just seems a bit strange seeing as the ceremony and the traditions seem a bit not so Muslim though and more tribal. Then again, I'm not Muslim so who knows what I think.

>>159327452
I think Early-1900's or somewhere around the late 1800's. It's been a while since I've read it

>>159327473
They pretty much are muslim except the fact that they hold on to their culture, which separates them from ayyrabs

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>>159327516
I can see that. It's such a pretty manga and I hope that the place is still nice as well, but I doubt Uzbekistan is nice anymore. I don't even know how the women look like

>>159327908
They still exist, albeit in low numbers.

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>>159328106
Not the OP but how do they look like generally?

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>>159328176
Here's a general example

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>>159328470
That's actually pretty cute though I thought they'd look more Asian seeing as they're decended from Mongols and stuff

>>159320326
>Shut Hell
I heard about Mongols are the baddies except the Son of the Ghengiz Khan
Are there any Turkic clan mentioned in the manga btw?

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>>159328509
Yeah I just picked any example I found on google. They can range from slavs from asians, like this for example.

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>>159328529
Mongols are generally the bad guys and the one guy who is the son of Genghis Khan is a god damn badass despite being a young boy. There's also the whole younger boy-older girl thing going on there too.

I don't think there's any mention of Turkic clans in there yet as Genghis Khan is busy exterminating the Tangut and the Chinese during the time period and hasn't run into the Khwareziem Empire yet.

>>159327274
>Great Game between the Russian Empire and Great Britain was happening

Sound more like the Crimean War. If true that would date it in the mid 1850s

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>>159320174
>Only if they were 2D.

>>159328509
>Mongols
They are Turkics though, and what's funny is Most of the Mongol Khanates either got Turkified, Persianized, Slavized, or Chinkified depending on the region.

>>159328615
That might explain why a large part of Central Asia looks so fucking Asian

>>159328661
Turkic clans settled in asia way before mongols.
However Turkic clans do habit of blanda upping with local populace.but yeah Mongols seems to reasinize them

>>159328548
How are these people whiter than the greeks? It makes no sense.

>>159328827
>greeks
>human

>>159328827

Greeks loved the exotic black penis and loved watching their wives get blacked, then the Romans wanted to get on the action as well and imported blacks and let the moors come in willy nilly.

While steppe people got raped by russians.

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>tfw Shoukoku no Altair getting Anime
>tfw no Otoyomegatari adaptation
feelskindasadman

>>159328827
varg pls go

Oh man I haven't checked out this manga in ages. Thanks for reminding me.
I think the last thing I remember is the wife of a rich man falling in love with a thicc woman in the bath house.

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>>159330136
That would be the Iran arc. It was incredibly sweet and while I'm against polygamy in manga at all, the husband was incredibly chill about it and is a stand-up guy

Now if only Mr. Smith could get with that widow...

>>159330245
Yeah I liked how chill and supportive the husband was. Cool dude. I guess it makes sense since polygamy is prevalent in that culture

>>159327473
Consider how different Buddhism is in Japan to Tibet, or from China to Sri Lanka. Religion usually blends with your local culture, to make it more palatable when you're in the process of converting from older beliefs. In the past you were more likely to retain a distinct cultural identity, since there was less printed media and no TV or Internet. The same is still true today in some places, But the fact that there is easier travel and accessible media means that people are more likely to pick up trends from other dominant cultures, hence the reason many Muslims today practice the Arabian style Islam, complete with hijabs that were never mentioned in any holy texts. In a way it's made the world a lot more boring.

>>159320077
>You do realize Kaoru Mori literally never does anything on the darker side?
Except for the professor getting kicked out of his marriage.

>>159320077
Excellent.

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>>159323833
We muscle shotas now

>>159331498
I desire the sweetest vanilla /ss/ doujins of these two

>>159328568

>Mongols are generally the bad guys and the one guy who is the son of Genghis Khan is a god damn badass despite being a young boy.

Probably because by the age of 15 Temujin himself was a badass. He had already murdered his older brother to be the new patriarch of the family when he was 8 years old.

>>159332569
NTR or bust.

>>159327373

You can be both. Timur Khan was a devout muslim himself. Ironically he slaughtered millions of other muslims in his conquests.

Also his army was rare in how it allowed female fighters in it as well, so he was one Khan that had plenty of steppe waifus in his army ranks. Just imagine those cute moe steppe women murdering entire cities and making huge towers from clay and severed heads.

>>159332883
he was badass warrior but man, he doesn't know shit about how to govern the empire
he overextended his empire, and died without esthablishing proper administration
so his lands divided among his sons and soon either they got crumbled due to infighting or assimilated into another culture

>>159333268

>he overextended his empire, and died without esthablishing proper administration

Thats because he gave the power to his son Ögedei in direct succession. It was only after the death of Ögedei when the empire slowly split into pieces.

Still, you could count the Yuan dynasty as continuation of Mongol empire because it was a dynasty of mongolian rulers, the chinese hairstyle with bald head and long black braid behind came from Yuan dynasty, it was a sign of chinese as lower caste than their mongol overlords.

So in Kublai khan and his dynasty the mongol empire lived on until Ming took over 100 years later. Ironically Ming themselves got curbstomped by the manchu who were quite similar to mongols in being rough people living in steppes.

>>159325469

Honor killing when?

>>159321626
I just can't enjoy this art. The hyper-detailed bits clash so badly with generic cartoony manga faces.

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>>159333537
i thought that got settled?

>>159333492
>the chinese hairstyle with bald head and long black braid behind came from Yuan dynasty
No, that was Qing.

>>159332940
Shut up, there's already Bestial NTR doujin of Otoyomegatari. Its the vanilla we haven't get

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>>159333620

Its the number one reason I'm even mildly interested in it. The subject matter of the story doesn't interest me but goddamn if the art isn't good. Usually mangas written by women for women don't concern themselves too much with details and environments.

>>159333537
Oh please, Bacha Bazi arc when? I hope Smith cross path with one

>>159333995
there is a vanilla one but that one includes pissing against the wind

>>159327274
Emma visits to the steppes crossover when

>>159334152
Oh right! How could I forgot the one made by Clover!

>>159333995
>Bestial NTR doujin
No
No please god no

>>159330538
Well don't forget Saudi Arabia has spent a fortune exporting Wahhabism.

>>159335981
Let's not start again, please. We always end up arguing about Islam and that always attracts /pol/. Can't we just have slow comfy threads?

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>>159336559
If it was an idyllic fantasy world, then maybe but remember that Mori wants to keep this realistic, and she loves her melodrama in her stories.

>>159336731
Wow, never thought I'd see the day that picture was updated.
I sincerely doubt she's going to go for a religious conflict - Pariya's possibly haram moment was resolved in two panels. Not to mention that a perfectly good thread about the Great Game was ruined a while back. I hope we never get ana adaptation, that would be hell, but I suppose that's not really something I have to worry about.

>>159330538
Muslims even in China are different from Xinjiang (Uyghurs) to Ningxia (Hui Muslims)

>>159319805
When's the next chapter

>>159319843

lol, I remember that the characters in Emma were PRUSSIAN'ed

>>159319805

depends, does she smell bad?

>>159319805
Only if she's older than me.

>>159328827

cold climate and not enough sun. The sun can turn your skin darker after a few centuries.

>>159319805
stop shitposting in my general you khergit faggot fuck

>>159336731

wait, ancient mongols turned muslim?

>>159328615
>They are Turkics though, and what's funny is Most of the Mongol Khanates either got Turkified, Persianized, Slavized, or Chinkified depending on the region.
Can't leave those local women unfucked.

>>159328827
Greeks are not pure anymore.

Greece was under Ottoman rule for 400 years.

The capital of the island of Korfu on the other hand was under Venetian and British rule.

>>159340522
Greeks and Anatolians have been genetically similar since uh, forever (?). And even if that wasn't the case, invasions don't change the genetics of millions of people.

>>159340522
Pure races don't exist.
Also Ottomans/Turks are mostly turkified Anatolians so I doubt they somehow made Greeks considerably darker.

>>159330245
So do they fug?

>>159334054
This, Karluk would be prime goods if he wasn't married.

>>159328827
Greeks got turked m8, only white greeks left are probably from the southern isles now

>>159340015
>ancient
Medieval, son. Golden Horde in Russia turkified, became muslims. Ilkhanate in Iran persianized, became muslims.

>>159341595
Back to >>>/pol/ with your rape baby meme. Greek genetics havent changed for thousands of years.

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>>159331101
I mean it's a romance manga and there was a short chapter showing her just doing nothing in the plains except riding out with her horse alone. She'll eventually meet him again but we won't see it till the end.

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>>159338492
I think she does it monthly so long as she doesn't take a hiatus because she probably takes a fuckton of time to draw these chapters. I remember a while back that Mori took a 6 month break because she was just so burned out from researching and drawing. She truly is the ideal mangaka.

>>159339241
They rubbed themselves with oil to cover the smell and took showers. I'd think not.

>>159339272
I actually wonder how common this is in Islamic/Steppe culture. Isn't the wife supposed to be younger than the husband usually? I don't know since I'm Buddhist but at least in Asia we don't usually marry older.

>>159342644
Genghis's waifu was older by only a couple of months. Karluk's marriage is probably over exaggerated.

>>159340522
>>159341595
Thats not how it works anon.>>159340766 and>>159341060 are right.
The original Turks were central asian steppe nomads, like the Mongols. Look at Turkmen from Turkmenistan instead of Turks from Turkey. Said Turks got Persianized, became Muslims, conquered western Asia, including Anatolia. The former Eastern Roman subjects of Greek, Pontic, Anatolian, and Ionian descent simply considers themselves Turks over time under Turkish rule. Steppe concept of nationhood are very fluid, they dont care how you look, as long you speak and act as they are, you're one of them. Also the number of Steppe nomads are just a drop in the bucket compared to settled peoples, so they wont displace the local's genetic pool in large percentage.

tldr most Turks are just Anatolian, Ionian, Pontics, Greeks who are Turkic wannabes

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>>159342796
Yeah but that's Mongolia. Middle East and Islamic Steppe Plains might be a bit different in that regard, especially when the man is supposed to be the dominant one in the relationship and that's difficult with an older wife.

>>159325469
I think my favorite part about Pariya is that when she was first introduced, she looked like she was going to be this catty bitch that Amira was going to butt heads with because she was an outsider, but she turned out to be such a nice girl. And the fact that she's awkward and easily bashful is cute.

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>>159319805
>>>/mbg/

I didn't expect to like this manga this much. Is Emma worth the read even if the setting is drastically different?

>>159331498
>arm wrestling
She has another kind of wrestling in mind, Karluk

>>159331498
What a qt

I hope we get Comura's story after this arc

Anime when?

>>159346195
Who is Comura again?

>>159346915
I wish. Only Kyoani could do Mori's art justice and they barely do garbage outside of moeblob now.

>>159347133
The seasonal anime Kyoani produces have been pretty shit quality-wise lately though.

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>>159346195
you mean the village's second perfect girl after Amira?

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>>159343200
reminder

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>>159331498
Amir is going to eat him alive when they finally go at it.

>>159341480
Maybe that's why he was married off so young, to keep him out of the dance, so to speak.

>>159348273
There's that one page where they share a happy smooch. I like to think that, at the bottom of that page, Mori wrote in invisible ink AND THEN THEY FUCKED.

>>159329085
doesnt altair have like a hundred chapters? i dont feel like there's enough content in otoyomegatari yet.

>>159342644
>Isn't the wife supposed to be younger than the husband usually
Yeah, most are. I just happen to have older woman fetish.

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>>159349458
I want an older Steppe woman to be my older sister wife

>>159348721
Pariya's kiss was much cuter though since she's such an idiot but cute as hell

>>159348721
source ?

>>159350227
my god, this is a new low

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>>159350102
Does anyone know what type of hairstyle Pariya has is? My little sister was reading this with me and wanted to try it out.

>>159350421
>doesn't know what a braid is
Nigga.

Is Emma worth reading?

>>159350667
Yes.

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>>159350628
There are braids and then there's this new kind of level of braids. I want to know what it's called in particular since it looks difficult as shit

>>159327473
>a bit not so Muslim though and more tribal.
Most of the way islam is spread, they'll get some local yokel, teach him the quran, give him a copy (he may or may not be able to read it) and tell him to go teach others. There's a lot of local differences and interpretations because there's no formal auditing going on.

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>>159352055
So sort of like how Catholicism turned into Christianity, Orthodox, Mormon, Methodist, etc.?

I really want to see how this is in Uzbekistan and see how much of the tribal traditions survived, though Russians and the USSR probably wiped it off the face of the earth.

>>159351815
I think it's just several pigtails.

>>159332940
>advocating ntr
>ever

>Amir is practically throwing herself at Karluk
>"Give me space"

JUST FUCK HER ALREADY!

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honor of the poster in /mbg/ who was posting in honor of the poster who was posting in honor of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

>>159355313
It's because he thinks he's not good enough. I mean if he's going to do it, he has to do it good.

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>>159332569
Only on a horse

Is the hiatus over yet

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>>159319805
Steppe da best.

>>159327373
The thing with Steppe people is simple.

What you think of muslims they really aren't. The typical Arab or Persian muslim with his rules and shit.

Islam in Central Asia is more like this.

>Turko-Mongolian tribes almost as whole were slow to accept certain Islamic tenets, such as giving up the consumption of alcohol or bathing before prayer. This is, however believed to relate more directly to their nomadic lifestyle and local tradition than their faith in God and devotion to Islamic law and text.

Central Asia is very foreign and unknown to probably everyone. They're also probably the best Muslims outside of Bosnia really... Bosnia being I think the most secular Muslims out there.

>>159330245
This was like the best ambiguously gay romance I've ever read. It can easily be read two ways.

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>>159356054
So basically Steppe people are what ideal Muslims should be with integration of Islam + Culture and not whatever the fuck Saudi is

>>159350667
Double yes

>>159352131
>So sort of like how Catholicism turned into Christianity, Orthodox, Mormon, Methodist, etc.?
More like how Lutheran Protestants turned into Methodist, Calvinist, Mormon, etc after the reformation. Catholicism and Orthodox have been pretty stable thanks to their central authority figures.

>>159356054
So what you're saying is the world needs another Golden Horde to sweep over the Wahabbi, Sunni, and Shia and reeducate them to be less assholes to each others and to unbelievers?

>>159352131
>So sort of like how Catholicism turned into Christianity,


Christianity predates Catholicism

>>159352131
No. Basically the people causing the most problems for muslims are wahhabis with forcing women to be subservient dogs and wear black mailboxes. There are the basic tenets which are followed by every muslim, and on top of that, the melding of these tenets into each muslim's own culture from his people. Some arabs want this culture to be removed, which is why even other muslims hate arabs.

>>159357958
W-where is this from. Pariya dominating someone is unusual for me

>>159355631
>can't image search cropped page

Can I get a source please?

>>159359428
That's not her, Pariya is watching from the bushes.

>>159360026
Oh wait is it her friend

Also who is the next bride going to be?

>>159327187

Possibly a little earlier. The Great Game kinda ended in the 1890's already.

It's bizzarre to think the sons and daughters of the people in Otoyomegatari are gonna go full commie in some years, actually.

>now, I think in general terms they didn't mind it as much as you would think. Otoyomegatari is a iyashikei but the future -stans were positevely medieval and often barbaric. I just can't see Amira as an old grandma with her nephew going in a factory, but that's what happened.

>>159360077
Talas I hope

>>159360309
Who is Talas again?

Whats with the hat thing

Why do they get so embarrassed to be seen without their head gear

>>159359895

Come on now. It's not like there're many Otoyomegatari doujin out there.

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>Smith actually left Tarasu behind to be some guy's slave wife
Smith doesn't deserve her

>>159352131
Take an illiterate yokel, teach him a holy book, but don't teach him to read it. (also, the book is prohibited from being translated)
Now tell him to go and convert people.

This is exactly why Bacha Bazi and rape gangs exist: in islam, homosexual love is prohibited, but a man having sex with another man is tacitly approved.

>"U.S. Army medic completing a year-long tour in a rural area of Kandahar province. She and her male colleagues were approached by a local gentleman seeking advice on how his wife could become pregnant. When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked “How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.”

https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11217772

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

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>>159361546
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Fucking subhumans, I swear.

>>159351815
Just google "central Asian braids" and you will get a bunch of pictures of irl examples. It honestly just a head full of braids.

>>159319805
Fucking indians get ouuuut.

>>159333149
I desire to know more about this.

Which girl in Otoyomegatati would be the best mother?

What ever happened to the widow?

>>159362909
I am afraid the steppe waifu might be getting up there in age and too old to breed.

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>>159350667
>>159344976
Emma is excellent. If I have any complaint, it's that it ends in a very female style. What I mean is, the story sets up this grand climax, and it's ultimately settled with talking. If a man were writing it, someone would have gotten punched in the face or shot. That's why I was pleasantly surprised Kaoru Mori had a couple battle scenes in Otoyomegatari with people getting stabbed.

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>>159361546
>“How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong."

I can't stop wondering how many people began their interest in the region because of a Japanese comic

But since there are people already interested in the region long ago I can't comment on that.

>>159363702
I now want to play a central asian nation in eu4.

>>159363340
She's like late-20's or early 30's at worst. It made my heart melt when she couldn't say that she fell in love with Smith. I really want them to end up together since they seem to match well and Mori writes cute romances

>>159364594
>she fell in love with Smith
She did not. She was just afraid to be alone. Smith really dodged the bullet there.

>>159364668
>Applying this to a romance shoujo historical manga written by a woman
In a world where Amira fell in love with her husband almost instantly and arranged marriage is okay, I would think that she did fall in love with him because this is fiction

>>159363702
/a/ does not consist of a lot of people. 4chan as a whole does not consist of a lot. Probably 100k max.

People have been studying islam and the ottomans for years.

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>>159331101
and a war where she straight up snipes someone

I think Mori should make more action scenes.

>>159361467
The fuck was he supposed to do? The one asshole was the head of the household and got to choose who she married. As soon as the old woman married him it was over.

>>159364937
It's really cool that Mori can do major battle sequences when the story calls for it when 99% of the series is a period piece SoL.

Makes me worry about future plot developments to be honest

>>159364986
I'd like to think that Smith and widow have a happy ending where she finds his watch and he comes back for her, marries her, takes her to London, and raises a happy half-Steppe, half-British kids

This is Mori so she loves happy endings

>>159350667
It's a must read for maid lovers

>>159364762
>arranged marriage is okay
Her sister was beaten to death by her "husband". Yeah, arranged marriage sure is okay.
>Amira fell in love
But that was actually believable. Author actually showed personality of Amira and the boy.
But in window's case, author didn't. Just blank timid widow. It was more like "My husband died and, you know, I love you. No, no, i'm not desperate at all!". And she didn't even said so herself, some other old hag did. "Listen up, widow. You cannot support household by yourself. You see that foreigner fuckboy? We can make him your husband in no time. Watch this."
Smith is just too naive. He would never notice this shit.

>>159364762
>>159365266
There's a difference between arranged marriages and forced marriages. Arranged marriages are great, both in fiction and in real life. People who enter into arranged marriages generally have a more stable bond and get divorced at a much lower rate. That's because

1. Your family is actively trying to find someone compatible with you.
2. People who enter arranged marriages take the institute seriously.
3. You're not blinded by emotions.

>>159365266
To be honest, statistics show that arranged marriages have a far lower rate of both divorce and abuse (in the same region; comparing shitholestan to, say, France or the UK isn't a fair comparison because of differing crime rates in general).

>>159365948
I could be in a potential arranged marriage as well. /blog

>>159365893
>>159365948
Amira just lucked out with shota.
She could have easily been dead at this point.

But yeah, arranged marriage can work, if people are decent.
But everything can work, if people are decent.

>>159365893
>>159365948
Well, modern western view of love and marriage is all kinds of fucked up, and the divorce rate points to that. I bet if the culture tended to separate love and marriage a bit more, and also paint love as something your work for instead of something that happens, you'd see a drop in marriage rate, but divorce rate would stabilize at a lower level.

That said, you do have to be careful about equating "not divorced" with "working, stable marriage," since in an arranged marriage there are a lot more incentives to staying together and there's pressure from both families and the culture of the people involved. Also, expectations are different, so what people define as "good" for arrange marriage is different to what people define as good for other kinds of marriage. Finally, things like cheating or fights are less likely to end an arranged marriage, and depending on the culture are either acceptable, or swept under the rug and kept as kind of an open secret.

>>159366316
Psychologically, marriage tends towards a middle stability because being in close proximity with someone for a long time and having forcibly the same interests (money, keep your house, etc.) tends to build a bond. Obviously if the marriage is completely twisted it won't work, but generally speaking from a purely scientific (aka "fuck ur feels lol") point of view, it seems to be the case that simply being together for X years in societies where divorce is extraordinarily difficult ends up in a 'satisfaction rate' that's roughly equal. Think x+[5*sin(x)/x] for the curve of the relationship really, the earlier in the relationship the easier you swing back and forther, later on you get a lower-key, but steadier relationship. Not always, but this is the average.

>>159366065
Let me guess: Indian? This Indian lady spoke at one of my classes. She mentioned how higher education for her allowed her to get a better marriage. It sounded really weird from a Western POV, but I guess it makes sense.

>>159363702
There's something strangely alluring about Central Asia. It was one of the last semi-civilised parts of the world to be explored by the West, and because it's so irrelevant today it still carries that sense mystique. The steppe is still frontier land, and it's pleasant to imagine travelling on horseback, meeting a myriad of different tribes and cultures as you go along.

>>159366782
>it's pleasant to imagine travelling on horseback
These days, motorcycle or Land Cruiser sounds more plausible. Maybe one of those Russian off-road trucks.

Fucking hated Azim Steppe.

>>159363702

I'm from a white rural midwestern shithole, aside from topics like this my only exposure to muslism is news on terrorists or /pol/. So it's refreshing for non-autists to share their knowledge on the subject.

I've been interested in the miscegenations since I learned the British monarchy is actually black

>>159366782
In theory, can I just travel through the Steppes today with a horse and a rifle?

>>159333620
Alright, well, you have some kind of autism or something.

>>159365893

Only applies in cultures where matchmaking is a thing.

Arranged marriages in the US almost exclusively seem like they're there to cover underaged rapes. Shotgun marriages are way down and baby daddys way up

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It makes me sad to see Widow alone in the wild, but at least she hasn't gotten remarried yet. And it seems like no one wants to marry her because:

1) She's older

2) All of her past five husbands died

Smith will return for her and take her back to London since her mother is inevitably going to pass away.

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Reminder that Kaoru Mori (the mangaka) is a cute woman in real life too.

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>>159327373
>When the shisha hits you hard

>>159368429
Her self portrait is prime /ss/ material. No wonder she made those 2 the main couple of the story, she wants to have some /ss/ herself.

>>159366724
No. Sandman

>>159368691
>>159368429
>tfw the mangaka is as pretty as the characters she draws

life isn't fair

>>159368429
How can an attractive woman be such a good mangaka? Makes no sense, I thought you had to be either a fatso or a weirdo.

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>>159369131
>>159369052
>Pretty woman knows how to draw pretty women and pretty art with realistic attitudes and normal social behavior just like normal girls

Seems pretty normal to me

>>159369163
>4 (FOUR) watermarks
What are you doing, nigger?

>>159368429
What a cutie.

Do I read this after Oremonogatari and before Bakemonogatari and Katanagatari?

>>159369546
I wonder if she's married or not. She says she likes to travel to the places she gets to draw about

>>159369911
>>159368429
I think it mentioned somewhere that she is uncomfortable around men and she's possibly a lesbian.

>>159370074
It's actually kind of a shame. I don't get it though, she's really pretty and she could literally get any man she wanted with her looks.

Though this does put that chapter about the two girls in their "sisterhood" in context.

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>>159370074
Lies and slander, she's perfectly straight.

>>159370214
Which is why she draws pictures of female asses so well? If anything, that just pushes the theory that she's a lesbian even harder

>>159369163
>mangahere
Fuck off.

>>159370132
>I don't get it though, she's really pretty and she could literally get any man she wanted with her looks.
Because she's tired of boys looking at her with penises in their eyes.

>>159370775
Does that really make her turn away from guys and go full lesbian though? She said she's uncomfortable around guys but she is:

1) An accomplished mangaka whose works are beloved

2) Financially stable

3) Incredibly beautiful for her age which I think is around 38

She could literally nab any man who actually likes her

>>159370821
The mangaka lifestyle isn't particularly conducive towards long term relationships, even if you're a successful, established author/artist like Mori is.

>>159370821
>She could literally nab any man who actually likes her
Aight firstly, getting turned off from men doesn't mean you become a carpet muncher
Secondly, mangakas do shit like 14 hour days, not because of some 'le japanese workethic' thing but simply due to the fact that drawing is slow work.
Thirdly, the fact that she can nab any man who likes her is the problem, isn't it? The hottest girl in uni could've nabbed anyone she wanted, but if she wasn't the type to want a trillion boys with erect dicks staring at her tits all day long, I think she'd start getting a little annoyed.

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>>159370919
>Mori draws some of the best manga around
>Draws some of the top tier girls around
>Draws cute girls getting married into happy relationships with loving men
>Says that she's uncomfortable around men probably because she's always been hit on
>Pretty but unmarried at age 38

I can't help but feel that Otoyomegatari is her long-past dreams of the pure love she wanted out of a relationship. I feel sad now.

>>159370999
>>159370919
She seems like a really shy person too.

>>159370919
>>159370877
I don't get it though. If she doesn't want men to look at her or harass her, why the hell does she bother to put on make-up or dress nice like she did in her picture?

Putting on make-up and getting your hair cut is basically to attract attention and affection from the other sex.

>>159371309
This is a wonderful window into the average basement dweller of /a/.

>>159371309
Y'know, friend, I try to look presentable whenever I go out, not because I'm looking to bang, but because I don't want people thinking I'm some sort of slob like you.

>>159371309
People like you are the exact reason why Mori feels uncomfortable with men looking at her

>>159371309
I might not go out in cologne and a threepiece every day but I sure as hell shave, splash my face, and give my hair a rudimentary comb before going out. To women putting on a light gloss of makeup is the same as that, because you want to feel good about yourself and because you don't want to look like a shit when someone's taking a photo to put on your official website.

>>159371309
>being presentable = trying to attract a mate
What an amazing specimen.

>>159371414
>>159371389
>>159371352
>>159371332
>>159371521
Looking presentable to others is to attract the attention of others though isn't it? It's the same reason a peacock flashes its feather to get a mate.

I mean I don't buy that she's asexual or just hates men precisely because she looks nice in her picture and actually looks like she gave a fuck and she's attractive enough to get most guys in Japan.

I think it might be because she has a shit personality and doesn't like being told what to do.

>>159371309
>>>/r9k/

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>>159370669
Why wouldn't she draw female asses well, baka

>>159371540
Yeah, but not necessarily to attract a mate. If you're going to invoke biology, there's another reason peacocks flash their feathers - to show women they're sexy, yes, but also to show them that they're just respectable in general, and also to show other MALES that you're a big deal. And beyond simply biology, grooming yourself is a sign of discipline, and not doing so past a certain point invites scorn.

>shit personality
You don't get it. If a girl looks nice, that doesn't mean she should purposely make herself look like shit if she doesn't want imbeciles who can't keep it in their pants drooling over her. People like you are the exact reason why girls like this get progressively more bothered, because you can't fathom that there's reasons for looking good beyond wanting to bang, and therefore also probably look like an oily mess when staring at her. People like you are why [r9k] turned into what it did. People like you are why feminists get such a foothold, because the strawmen retards they flail against actually exist, and sadly, half of them have probably met one.

>>159370821
You're a fucking retard. Being passionate about your vocation, successful in it, and attractive- none of these have anything to do with social skills. She could just like the company of women over that of men and be content with that state of affair with no further thoughts because she's pretty much married to her craft. It might not be evident where you are, but interacting with men and women is noticeably different in many aspects.

>>159371619
>>159371633
It's actually hilarious that this shitposter you guys are replying to is literally showing all the reasons why Mori dislikes being around men

>>159371540
How are you not getting this? Some people like feeling pretty in a vacuum. Some people, stereotypically girls, just like nice clothes and looking good- and some do it just because it's a nice sensation. There's no reason to factor in how people will look at you when you dress if you like it.

>>159371677
There's also a reason to factor in that if you go out in a wrinkly shirt and fucked up dirty skirt and forgot to comb your hair and have dried mucus on your eyes people will be looking at you the other way.

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>>159371540
>>159371309
Is this ironic?

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>>159371540
>projecting this hard
Jesus christ.
Taking
>a supposed rumor of a person you know nothing about except that she made Emma and Otoyomegatari
>a photo you're not even sure is her
>your own preconceptions
>somehow arriving at "she has a shit personality and doesn't like being told what to do".
Bravo. I applaud you, sherlock holmes. Please give yourself a pat on the back and a double dose of heroin ASAP.

>>159371715
This is /a/. Some people here are just that fucking stupid.

>>159371540
Why wouldn't a person be allowed to look attractive because they want to?
I'm not sure why being uncomfortable around men disqualifies her from ever dressing well and putting on makeup. Being attractive makes people more confident, if she's as shy as some of the anons said, more power to her.
Why not just live and let live?

>>159371694
That's another level still and you can get away with not very neat clothes during day to day somewhat without stigma, though I have of course no idea what the norm is for mangakas. For all we know she looks "ordinary" 98% of the time and that picture was taken during an event so she naturally brushed up for it. For all we know that face is not her.

>>159371651
I'm not even sure whether this is bait anymore, /r9k/ makes me feel like anything is possible when it comes to anons being retarded about women particularly and people in general.
I feel dirty knowing we get associated with them for being on the same website.

>>159371822
Mori is famously introverted and anti-social and has said in interviews she feels comfortable (not sexually) around women. I guess she just doesn't really do relationships

>>159371837
If that is her, then she'd be even damn cute without her make-up.

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I just want to know if the widow will ever get a happy ending with Smith

>>159371869
This isn't just women this is just people in general
He essentially said 'dude why shower until you start molding unless you're about to fuck???'

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>>159372031
Stop fucking posting watermarked pages.

>>159371884
Being attractive and anti-social must be a pain. Probably twice as bad if you're a woman.
A bit of a surprise really, she seems so energetic in her thank you for buying the volume thingy pages.

>>159372046
It's not that that bothers me, not saying I condone that kind of behaviour, but it's the projecting that gets me. /r9k/ always seems to think other people don't have actual personalities different from theirs. Ticks me off.

>>159371651
>Mori dislikes being around men

Source?

>>159372742
It's just rumour, i think she is the type of person who got bad experience with opposite sex thus went full homo route

>>159373009
Let her be so. I mean plenty of guys swear off women after particularly bad experiences. On top of her long investment in her craft it makes sense. Still, I would love to meet her just to get an insight behind the mind of a great artist and writer. Its sad that sometimes the most romantic of people can be among the most lonely.

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The funny thing is, some women look pretty spot on to how I imagined Amira to look if real.

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>>159370074
>ywn meet Kaoru Mori and help her get over her phobia of men
>ywn raise a family of half japanese gaijins together
It's not fair.

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>>159373398
What's the best way to get a qt nomadic waifu?

>>159373398
Where do you think she got the ideas? Their clothing is honestly radical as fuck

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>>159373398
F-fuck I need to go to the Steppes now

Where is she from?

>>159373461
I agree. The clothing is just flat out beautiful. Hairstyle too.

>>159373399
I have to say that she looks amazing for being 38 years old

But that being said, Japanese people don't like older women, especially single women pushing 40 who have never had a boyfriend and are introverted and prefer drawing

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>>159373436
Beats me but their natural beauty really shines.

>>159373530
Well the thing is, she doesn't look amazing for 38 by Japanese standards. Asians all age slow as shit, women with two kids nearing 40 look like they're 26.

>>159373502
Kazakhstan I think. Same as Amira.

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>>159373669
>>159373640
>>159373502
>>159373436
>>159373398
Don't forget about this cutie from Kazhakstan

>>159336731
Aren't Kadyrov purging gays in Chechenyna today?

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>>159373854
Less politics, more cute girls

>>159336731
...aren't Central Asians unironically taller and cleaner than Arabs? Like without racism just average heights.

>>159374699
>>159373982

>>159374699
>without racism
Where do you think you are

>>159374699
>cleaner than Arabs
Don't Muslims have to wash their bodies 5 times a day?

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>>159368691
>>159369052
>>159369131
>>159369546
>>159370074
Some guy posted
>pic related
Is actual pic of Kaoru Mori, not that one. I don't know, quick google search shows my pic as first results

>>159374946
I was in the other thread. That's not her. That's a woman who runs a cooking blog under the name Kaoru Mori.

And before you post the other one that is allegedly her, that one is a picture of a university assistant professor

>>159350667
Yes I want more Shirley though

>>159374983
It's cool, I was wondering because she shows first in both Kaoru Mori and under artistic pseudonym Agata Fumio.
People argue that's the person on the photo isn't her, but can't come up with an answer who it might be. Is it normal for Mangakas to remain anonymous despite being this popular?

>>159361546
I will never understand primitive peoples' bizarre backwards idea of "cleanliness" being some abstract poorly grasped spiritual concept and nothing to do with how disgustingly filthy and slimy their ballsacks must be.

>>159375217
Most mangaka don't like to be photographed but Kaoru Mori is a unique case where she takes it up to 1000 and literally has very few pictures of herself online.

If the OP did actually get a picture from her, you'd have to ask futaba where they got it from.

>>159368429
From the another topic, definitely she isn't Kaoru Mori mangaka, well at least the first photo isn't.

The first one is from Korean drama Wild Romance, and the actress is Lim Ju-Eun.

>>159375225
To be fair, "clean" and "dirty" didn't literally mean "washed" and "unwashed". That being said he's just gay.

>>159319805
I want to marry a woman who dons that headpiece
It's so beautiul

>>159375225
Half of /a/ is obsessed with the "purity" of fictional women.

>>159373436
Order one online.
>captcha: AMOR BEECHES

>>159375225
Well look, the Old Testament implies Eve was made out of our missing penisbone. That's pretty dirty, compared to Adam, who was made of clay (remarkably clean, and technically edible with no risk of poisoning if somehow sterilized)

>>159376097
Wasn't it supposed to be a rib?

>>159352055
>...
>A thousand years later.
>Saudia Arabia sends Auditors.
>"What the fuck have you been doing Muhammed?! This is wrong! But no worry. We can fix this."
>Sends Salafist Imams and builds new Mosques.

>>159319805

Are any there other non lewd series that endorse /ss/?

>>159379358
We're not missing a rib, but we don't have a penisbone unlike a lot of other animals. A penisbone looks a lot like a small rib...

>>159379358
That's possibly a latter interpretation. Ziony Zevit makes an intriguing argument that the original Hebrew word referred to the baculum.

It's wouldn't be the first case tidying up Biblical translations: the description of the Behemoth in Job 40 ("He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.") almost certainly refers to the impressive size of its penis and testicles, even though in more prudish times it was implied the passage was talking about strong thighs and an elephant's trunk.

>>159364594
>It made my heart melt when she couldn't say that she fell in love with Smith.

>Be qt.
>See cute guy.
>Fall in love with him.
>Get grandma to ask him if he could marry you.
>Can't say that you fell in love.
>Because it would be "improper".

Has anybody read this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sexe-et-charia/dp/2268076180

It's about how the Arab Spring got fucked over in Egypt.

>>159368429
That's not her. The second and self portrait are hers, correct.

>>159370074
Seeing her love of drawing the womanly forms and mania of maids, thats plausible

>>159379905
>See cute guy.
>Fall in love with him
Instant trash.
How the fuck can you fall in love with someone you don't even know?
This is not real love, this is just your reproductive instinct acting.

>>159380168
What is love?

>>159380260
In west Philadelphia born and raised, on the playground is where I spent most of my days.

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>>159379621
Yes but no scans or translation sadly

>>159380260

BABY DON'T HURT ME

>>159380168
Who you are is written all over you.

>>159380260
Memes aside, concept of "love" is pretty complex.
Ancient greeks, for example, had 6 words for love.
In their terms, for me, real love is closer to philia, than eros.

People, who love others just because of the appearance, are no better than sexual deviants who get off from stockings or high heels.
Body is just a part of a person. You can only love person as a whole or not at all.

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>>159380168
>>159379905
Otoyomegatari is fiction though and it's all about happy marriages and how love always finds a way to succeed despite the circumstances.

Smith and Tarasu are in love but cannot be together currently due to their circumstances. An omake showed Tarasu is free to do what she wants to do, but she has to wait for Smith to return.

>>159380708
Only works on ugly people.
If you are ugly, most likely, you are shitty person.
But it doesn't work in reverse.
You can easily get lucky in genetic lottery and take care of yourself, but be crazy in the head.

>>159381195
No. Worst side story in the manga.
Even worse than bath dykes.

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>>159381300
Wtf are you talking about. Those two stories were absolutely adorable. Seeing Tarasu blush like a schoolgirl because she had fallen in love with Smith was adorable.

>>159382395
>mangahere
don't do this.

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Muslim Steppe girls are cute! Cute!

>>159382395
Tarasu is truly best girl

>>159384413
Why is Pariya so cute? I want to rub her eyebrows

>>159357333
>saudi
Before 'mordecai' came to the peninsula 'from the north' (founder of al-saud clan and saudi arabia) today's saudi arabia used to be 2 separate countries where their literal existence and methods of making a living is pretty much raid/loot/steal/slaughter/coerce everything other than their own tribes/blood-related extended families. their society, culture, history and religion is basically what you'd expect from desert orc bandits from fantasy novels that revel on pillaging, beheading/killing all the men and taking women and children (both girls and boys) as slaves - minus the magic, green skin, and durability.

>>159388814
I love it when she spills her spaghetti

>>159389907
Bashful girls make for some of the best anime girls.

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>>159375877
So we Muslims now.

>>159389558
Calm down /pol/.

>>159373436
heard in Siberia, nomadic tribes literally invite any stranger in to fuck their women just to diversify the gene pool

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>>159391963
>$1,800 to fly to commie land and impregnate Steppefus with 6'5 Gaijin genes
It is tempting.

>>159392181
might as well fuck niggers or abos then

>>159392904
Do these look like Abbos?
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>>159373436
>>159373640
>>159373715

>>159393068
These are central asians, not Siberians.

>>159391790
Basement Muslims.

>>159394193
that sounds pretty hardcore. do we terrorize our mothers for hot pockets?

It's becoming more and more apparent that the author is going out of his way to make ownership of women as though it were a good or at least acceptable thing.

Every story Arc save one has said this, and even that is related to such.
1. Dispute over ownership of a women with claims of ownership being that of marriage verses blood.
2. Side story of relative facing the unacceptable possibility of being older and not married, and their efforts to get her a husband.
3. Story about even the remotest of connections of a man in a womans life, meaning ownership of that women. Despite the man being only related by marriage to a ex-mother in law,(which is a exceedingly slim connection) he was able to decide who she was to marry and not marry, she was still his property, because he was a man, and she was a women(aka a thing to be owned). Now this wasn't specifically romanticized, but it was treated as inevitable/natural, the MC Mr Smith giving no effort at all to try to help the women he had agreed to marry and presumably loved.
4. Twins so desperate to get married, they resorted to "tomboyish" (gasp!) pranky behavior in their effort to to get married. Literally trying to catch husbands. Well its resolved when their father sells them off to the sons of his friend.
5. Women can't be with her friend and help her financially unless she gets her husband to marry her as a second wife. She was lonely in her gilded cage after all, and the only option is for another women to be trapped in the cage too, even with the nicest of husbands. (author says, see, polygamy has a good side too, I say, just let her visit her friend and provide her money)

>>159396156
And finally the invasion arc, which isn't directly something that makes ownership of women sound good or natural, but it's very much part of arc 1 which is about ownership of a women.

You want to say that's only about historical accuracy? I say that's BS, clearly the authors pushing the subject. But even if it were just about historical accuracy, fine, let that part of history burn away and be forgotten. It's a past ugly part of human nature, well it exists nowadays too, but to a lesser degree.

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>>159361546
>“How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.
This is fucking /fit/ personified.

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>>159396156
The author is a woman who writes happy romance stories

>>159389907
I loved it when Tarasu spilled her spaghetti when she couldn't tell Smith she was in love with him

>>159342644
Well, yeah, it's brought up as a reason that Amira's and Karluk's marriage is unusual.>>159367735

>>159396156
Quality pasta to be fair.

>>159367735
You can do that anywhere, anon, why go all the way to the Steppes to get arrested?

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>>159396156
>(gasp!)

>>159398518
I mean it's still okay to have happy love in marriages. Tarasu wants to find love after losing 5 husbands

>>159400624
Tarasu is a cute name but it sounds more Japanese than Kazhak or am I just crazy?

>>159334633
It wasn't that good, even if you like that stuff, if it's the same one that I saw. Only 3(?) pages of actual fucking. Might have just been a sample though.

>>159401991
It was only that but I wanted more. I wanted Amira to give birth to a horse

>>159327331
Not all muslims cover all their hair.

>>159403367
>>159401814
What type of race is Tarasu (widow) and Amira then?

>>159379696
Look at 11th and 12th rib and come back and tell me if anything is wrong with it.

>>159381088
But then you need to aim for agappe.

>>159370074
She may just be into little boy.

>>159405309
>kaoru mori wants a shots to rape

Is she self-inserting as Amira?

>>159406482
>socially awkward cake who secretly lusts over pure little boys

Oh snap

>>159406592
That little boy will be lucky as shit given how cute mori is even at 38 years old

>>159406482
No, she wants sweet consensual loving for the purpose of procreation with the blessing of marriage. This whole manga is just a big letter to the world on why she wants to be married to prepubescent shota.

Of course I would.

>>159407318
Two years until she's a warlock? Why the need for /ss/ then?

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>>159407575
I don't understand why a woman as attractive as Kaoru Mori can't get a man

>>159411223
She's obviously gay.

>>159411223
She is waiting to marry me.

>>159404168
>agappe
Not really. I think real love is love between equals.

>>159411274
>>159411264
>Super attractive woman
>38 and unmarried
>Great artist and mangaka with romance

Why do all of the best girls turn out to be lesbians?

>>159357894
>the golden horde rewrites 1500 years of islamic dogma

Yeah I'm sure that would work out.

>>159361546
>literally from an anime

"what is vagina? I not know!" How the fuck does afghanistan have the highest birthrate in the world outside of africa if these fucks don't even understand benis in vagina?

>>159355344
Reminder the next total war isn't going to be china and that china will never get a good game before you turn 50 at which point you probably won't care anymore.

>>159358263
Sometimes American Protestants think that Catholicism is different from Christianity.

>>159328615
>>159328661
It depends. For example the Uighurs are genetically more descended from the Tocharians, who are related to the Slavs and Iranians. The Kazakhs are more Asian looking because they are more descended from the Turks.

>>159411891
Do you mean best girls in real life? Because most lesbians in real life tend to be fucking weird.

>>159412429
Well Persians started that with Mutaizilla school during Islamic Golden Age

What country does this manga take place in?

>>159413428
Central Asia steppes, and a bit of Persia around the timeline of the Great Game in the 19th facing Russia and Great Britain.

>>159413663
What nationality is Pariya and that widow girl? It's easy to tell that the lesbian wives are Persian

>>159413990
Uzbek/Uyghur Turkics iirc

>>159414135
Do the women in real life look as attractive as they do in the manga

>>159414278
lol

>>159414278
Some but they really don't take care of themselves physically

>>159415497
I meant Central Asian Steppe girls

>>159415542
I know. They are quite pretty but they don't move at all if they don't have to.

>>159415590
So if I, as a fairly good looking, athletic Gook, were to go to Kazahkstan/Uzbek, then I would be able to get my Steppe wife?

>>159415615
I don't think she will be the steppe waifu like you imagined but love finds a way if there's a way, I guess.