Worldbuilding

>>159311697
name 5 good examples of world building in any other medium. bonus points if they are all from the same medium

>>159311864
Fraiser, MITHC

fuck, thats all I can think of.

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>>159311697
>federal republics of soviet

>>159311864
Dune
Lord of the Rings
Mass Effect
Elder Scrolls
Mad Max: Fury Road

>>159311864
Not him, but
Games:
Planescape: Torment
Zeno Clash
Morrowind
Shadow of the Colossus
Dark Souls

Books:
Book of the New Sun
Lords of the Rings
Left Hand of Darkness
Hyperion
Dune

Comics:
Jodoverse (Incal, Metabarons)
Vampire Requiem Chevalier
Sandman
Azimut
Hellboy

>It's like DnD, except exactly the same
>not even bothering to remove the game mechanics
>with a blatant self insert surrounded by hot babes because there is no way this could sell otherwise

Science fiction anime isn't too bad (Blame!, GiTS, Psycho Pass, all good), but fantasy anime is some of the most creatively bankrupt drivel in fiction.

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>>159311697
>Do Nips just lack creativity?
Do you really have to ask?

>>159312582
>this

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>>159311697
>EAST EU
>in the western Europe

>WEST EU
>in the eastern Europe

>>159312582
Not really:
>Spirited Away
>Princess Mononoke
>Mushishi
>Berserk
>Tortob's Diary
>Fullmetal Alchemist
>Haibane Renmei
>Kino's Journey
>Little Witch Academia
>Madoka
>Utena
>Penguindrum
>Bakemonogatari
>Midori-ko
>Mononoke
>X
>Kemono no Souja Erin
>Magic Knight Rayearth

>>159311697
I wouldn't call it a lack of creativity it's just a product of Japanese insularity and their self-imposed naivety.

>>159312185
>zeno clash
You havin a giggle?

>>159312185
>Shadow of the Colossus
How?

>>159314827
How not? Like seriously, it's actually amazing how much worldbuilding there is in that game without directly exposing or spoonfeeding it to the players.

>>159314631
No, that's the only good thing about the game - the setting.

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>>159314275
Oh dear god, I didn't notice that.

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>>159311864
Trails games

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>>159314275

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>>159314275
At first you think

>wow, the author is too stupid to know how a compass works

But then you realize

>wow, the author is so Japocentric that East and West EU are labelled according to their direction relative to Japan

I don't know which is funnier

>>159315384
>without directly exposing or spoonfeeding it to the players.
Too bad anime can't seem to do this at all. It makes any sci-fi or fantasy anime hard to watch because you can always expects tons of forced exposition.

>>159311697
>le Of Soviet Federal Republics
>Kazakhstan is still a thing

Also
>east eu
>Balkans included

I'm gonna go full Ratko Mladic on all of ya.

I liked the world building in Dog Days.
That's kinda about it though.

>>159312185
>Sandman
>good
It's a verbose fuckwit jacking off to how good a writer he is 80% of the time. His daddy is also the head Scientologist of the U.K., pretty sure he's just a plant.

>>159311697
>rec thread
Fuck off, cunt.

>>159311697
I wouldn't say worldbuilding is shitty.

It all comes down to, how do I forward the plot and keep in details of the world without it becoming an exposition dump. If the story is just adventure for the sake of it, you don't need exposition and can world build by having the cast experience the different parts of the world and learn its history.

If your story is plot based, you got a checkov's gun. If the information given isn't going to advance the plot or set it up, there is no point in it. Cut it.

This all it comes down to Anon. Now stop being retarded.

>>159312185
With exception of Azimut, the rest of it is children's story level of worldbuilding garbage that make Japs worldbuilding look good.

>>159316130
>It's a verbose fuckwit jacking off to how good a writer he is 80% of the time. His daddy is also the head Scientologist of the U.K., pretty sure he's just a plant.
Still better worlbuilding then literally any anime.
>>159316257
You've got stories in fiction that never have a lot of exposition dumping but still have expansive worldbuilding. Just think of Shadow of the Colossus, Dark Souls, Book of the New Sun, Left Hand of the Darkness or Incal. The characters never go out of their way to explain anything about the world. But you can just infer a lot from the small chunks of text.

>>159316328
Name one anime with better worldbuild than Book of the New Sun.

>>159316503
*worldbuilding

>>159315876
Japan is 9 hours ahead of western Europe and so both are to the west of japan

>>159315477
You're a little bit retarded. The thread is about world building. Zeno clash is just a linear path of scenes with no developed world.

>>159316583
You know it has a second part which explains the whole setting backround. Anyways, there's also building the world in terms of its visual design. There isn't any anime world with a setting more visually creative than Zeno Clash.

>>159316650
Yes ive played both and they dont flesh out the world. This thread is about world building not setting. It has a good setting but doesnt give you an idea of what the world is like.
It actually shows you this in the second one because you reach the edge of the known world and there is an entire world outside it you are told nothing about,
So as an example of world building its as bad as the worst anime worlds.

>>159316572
>UK and Portugal
>western Europe
8 hours for normal people.

>>159316752
Also the cliche in anime of the world beyond being completely unknown and the story being an isolated bubble is identical to zenoclash which suggests zenoclash was inspired by anime.

>>159316797
OK i should have had an at most in there but the point still stands.

>>159316876
Except no anime has any setting that is as visually or conceptually creative.

>>159316461
Dark Souls lore is hidden by literal characters and items. Only by collecting those things do you know the story and world, aside what the characters literally tell you.

That cannot be done in anime.

>Shadow of the Colossus
The lore of Shadow is literally tied to the advancement of the plot.

I don't know the other two series.

>>159316943
You're just being a stupid hipster zeno clash is just ripped from art like Dali. Stuff like this has been done before.
The other game by that studio is literally an anime style platformer.

>>159311697
They live in an isolated corner of the world next to a gigantic and for most of their history uncross able ocean. They shut off their country for 200 years to foreigners and foreign influence, and they are known for their xenophobia.
Their only neighbors fucking despise them, and for good reason since they loved going to war on them.

I would say you could not get much more unworldly and globally more naive than the Japanese. They aren't a crossroads like Italy or India, and don't have an extreme difference in culture to others nearby.

That is why they are kinda bad on world building on any sort of international scale.

>>159317011
As expected, you couldn't even give one example. Feels good to win.

>>159316998
>The lore of Shadow is literally tied to the advancement of the plot.
Yes, and this isn't anything anime couldn't do.

This whole thread is autism. You dont need a complete explanation of a world in every story just a rough idea and hints. In depth descriptions suits bonus material like books

>>159317080
>nothing is better than my derivative chilean indie game made in source *sips soy latte*
You are disgusting

>>159315906
>Too bad anime can't seem to do this at all
>Lain
>Texhnolyze

>>159317139
But anime has fantasy and sci-fi settings all the time. Generic, badly constructed and lacking in creativity worlds are discouraging to the viewer just like generic, achertypical and badly written characters or stories.

You also don't need the world to be expansive, Shadow of the Colossus or Book of the New Sun use just a few hints to create interesting settings and most of the stories in those are pure action and no exposition

>>159317350
Lain had a whole episode which was pure expositon and lots of exposition dumbs besides those like the old guy in episode 4 or all the articles read in the computer like voice.

>>159317357
You are the one who posted zeno clash when its identical to the worst anime that does this.
Just a random collection of scenes and art assets in a linear path with no explanation. Ending with an ultimate showdown with abstract entities. Literally anime.

>>159317128
Again: >>159316257

>It call comes down to. How do I forward the plot and keep in details of the world.
>If your story is plot based, you got a checkov's gun. If the information given isn't going to advance the plot or set it up, there is no point in it.
The thing about Shadow of the Colossues was that it was vague throughout the whole game. You can't do that with an anime and you cannot mention X event without being relevant fo the plot or not returning back to it.

>>159317459
Even if you're hung up for some reason specifically about Zeno Clash, there are still 14 other works I mentioned just straight out of my head. You on the other hand didn't mention even one anime.

Seriously, just get over this one specific title. I mentioned five titles per medium. You couldn't give one anime title. If you can't provide anything in response this conversation has no sense.

>>159311864
Fun fact, i'm reading Ringworld and it's mindblowing. Asians do lack creativity in certain aspects, it's hard to exactly point what it is, but it's there.

>>159317533
>was vague throughout the whole game. You can't do that with an anime
What is Evangelion, Angel's Egg or Casshern Sins then?

>>159311697
Worldbuilding in anime is fine. In fact, even if everything else is shit in a long-running shonen fighting manga, the worldbuilding is usually good.

>>159317677
>Casshern Sins was vague
You had multiple episodes with actual exposition telling you what happened to humanity, how the world ended up the way it did, what Luna's immortality was, and etc.

How the fuck was it vague?

>Evangelion
Literal garbage.

>>159317664
It's because the culture is offensive towards creativity and originality in general. Even the art that existed in it was always about following specific rules. Medieval art had more variety to it than Japanese art did in the 19th century.

>>159317608
Im not i enjoyed zeno clash you insufferable hipster scum im just pointing out how YOU are wrong and an idiot.
Your attempt to play the hipster card has failed. Gtfo.

>>159317754
>Literal garbage.
If Evangelion is garbage then all art in general is garbage. Fiction as a concept is useless.

You retards got baited into giving recommendations for good anime.

Good job getting played.

>>159315876
So it should be like the horribly inacurate and out of date map that the entire world is being forced to use now?

>>159317350
>Lain
Are you saying Lain did have exposition because if you aren't you have got some explaining to do.

>>159317950
You are an idiot i dont need to provide an example I havent argued once that anime is better at this all my posts criticise this aspect of some anime and compare zeno clash to anime.
I never said anime was better than zeno clash you strawmanning low iq faggot retard.

>>159317947
You're wrong there is no good anime in terms of worldbuilding. None of the recommendations in that respect were good.

>>159318037
Feels not only good to win but to see you this butthurt about losing.

>>159318051
Read the thread

>>159317947
You just played yourself boy cause not a single anime mentioned in this thread is worth watching for anything.
You got some good book recs though, I'll give you that.

>>159317030
You know nothing about history or Japan. They traded with the Dutch for those "closed years" and had open trade with China and Korea and unofficial trade with a variety of Southeast Asian countries. This is also the exact same policy that China and Korea and a number of other Asian countries had.

Not to mention that all of this ended in the Meiji period where they absorbed so much western culture that they considered changing the national language to English. In the Taisho period they had vast amounts of cultural exchange where it was common and popular to read western philosophy, literature, and to watch the new films that were coming out in the US and Europe.

>>159311697
It depends, I really like world building which actually have a set of rules applied to them and the actually environment playing a role in the story.
Things which I don't like is a story without a defined rule, because the author can make everyone do anything at anytime even though it's nonsense. (Stuff like The power of friendship's logic or extremely huge power jumps.)

>>159318426
Yeah, if by open trade with the Dutch, you mean restrict them to a teeny tiny port in Nagasaki, and from what they traded, they sure as hell didn't seem that interested in the people, mostly it seems they just kept tabs on the improved science in the west and how to make improved things. If they were open to the West, they wouldn't have needed America to show up with Cannons and say "Open the Country or we will fuck up your coastal towns with Explosions".

A course when the Boshin War came, they were still using Samurai, so it seems they weren't reading enough western war tactics.

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>>159318426
I don't think you know much about the reality of Japan.

Japanese world-buiding sucks because Japanese people only learn hard facts in school, and they don't really study interpretations of history. They paradoxically lack imagination despite having one of the most popular (creative) visual mediums in the world.

>>159319406
I want to know what is outside of Zemuria
I don't care about Calvard anymore they took too long

>>159319442
>They paradoxically lack imagination despite having one of the most popular (creative) visual mediums in the world.
I don't understand. Anime is a lot more creative and imaginative than western television.

Not worldbuilding that's bad.

Just lack of interesting setting/mechanics.

Too many fantasy stories with jRPG mechanics.

Still, there are some good ones out there.

>>159311697
Though I would say because of two different reasons respectively
I would say Akira and Planetes have decent world building fully prepared to have every anon say I have shit taste

>>159319684
That is entirely subjective.

I fail to see how the works of Tolkien and Shakespeare are worse than Shoujo Anime of the month with pretty backdrops.

>>159319684
>Creative and Imaginative.
I was about to argue, but you're right.
I do think some Western TV shows are really good though. Westworld and Fargo. Don't think any anime released this year has topped those 2.

But alas. What would be an amazing thing is if some studio made an original anime with 100 episodes that's a fantasy. It's been a while since we've had this and I imagine it'd be a lot of fun.

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>>159311697
>Literally every militaristic fantasy world map has a bunch of big countries that have taken over their real world neighbors
>Japan is always still totally independent

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>>159319478
Then you must support Osborne. He knows the real threat come from other continent. The whole Zemuria must unite to overcome this.
Embrace the annexation!
Accept the railways!
Support the modernization!
Make Erebonia great again!

>>159319759
How many Tolkiens and Shakespeares do you have on a seasonal basis? Since that's what you're comparing them to.

Also there are lots of shows with decent worldbuilding but the only arguments presented against them are "they're shit, I don't like them" or "that's not TRUE worldbuilding." So I'm not sure what your goal on this board is. There's plenty of shows to watch, many have been suggested. Maybe try watching those? You won't finish any before the thread dies, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you genuinely want to see good worldbuilding in anime and aren't just here to shitpost.

>>159319684
Its because japanese anime is derivative. Hence the anime was a mistake quote.

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>>159319901
>Japan holding onto the thought that they could hold their own against the world
All that radiation really did do something...

>>159319901
>what is Code Geass

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>>159311697
Don't worry. The best world building anime will come out in a few days.

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>>159320192
>>159320300

Picked up. That art looks great.

>>159319684
Most anime is grounded in reality - most television shows are too, granted, but there are more SF shows these days than anime that actually takes place in a different world than our own (precluding worlds where the laws of reality, ie magic, are different, much the same as excluding capeshit tv shows).

Just look at the history of influential television; the US had Star Trek; Japan had Ultraseven. It all springs from there.

>>159316159
Agreed, but save your hostility for the obvious outsiders that have started to creep in often in these parts.

Well, since this is a thinly veiled rec thread anyway, anyone else reading Stravaganza? I think that first chapter was one of the best executions of already defining a very rich fantasy world right off the bat.

>>159320394
>Most anime is grounded in reality

>>159320438
>What is SOL and the rise of LN adaptions

>>159311697
Sora no Woto
Shinsekai Yori
Texhnolyze

fuck thats all i got for top worldbuilding

>>159320638
>Sora no Woto

Great example of show don't tell
http://soranowoto.wikia.com/wiki/Speculation

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>>159320638
>actually giving recommendations
Anon, are you okay?

>>159311697
>>159312975
I don't know about much about these pic related posts (specially the OP), but if it's just about the shape of the map and land masses, this is very superficial criticism. Having similar landmasses doesn't matter as much as the settings, people and events that define the worldbuilding contained inside these vaguely similar body masses to our own.

A couple examples, Berserk never released a world map (Kentaro Miura has even mentioned something along the lines being against defining such hard delimitations), but the only world shot we have seen seems to imply under close inspection that a lot of the landmasses are similar to our own. Yet the world building there, although vaguely inspired or rooted by several historic places, epochs, traditions and people, feels really like its own thing, its own unique fantasy world and setting. It has enough unique stuff of its own too.

Shingeki no Kyojin, just recently showed a hard world map, and the world there is basically the African and European continent (or something very resemblant) inverted and upside down. Yet the peoples who inhabit that world and the world building mentioend thus far (which had been confined to the walled people) have been quite rich and unique. It's a lot of different people and events that have happened and shaped tehir history despite a similar shape.

I'm not sure it's as much a complete lack of creativity, a lot of authors tend to do a lot of research before publishing their works. A lot of genuine admiration and inspiration comes when studying other places and cultures, and we can make a case that when something is rooted (even if vaguely so), it can have a good chance of being richer than meets the eye just because of the baggage and the chance to aggregate knowledge and references.

>>159311697
Can you stop making this thread please? You're not going to get replies any better than you got the first time you posted this exact OP.

Kindly fuck off.

>>159320592
Slice of life is still inherently fantasy.

>>159311697
Anime has an unfortunate trend of very mediocre writers generally, aside from a few exceptions. So its no wonder world building won't be quite as good.

>>159316503
Fucking SLAYERS, and SLAYERS doesn't even care about its world. Book of the New Sun is fucking garbage for that matter. I've seen hundreds of people try to shill this crappy fantasy before and every single time they did their only argument was that the book was cool and the world was AMAZING.

Go fuck yourselves, you and your hack author both.

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Name 3 settings more mind-blowing than The City

>literally more weight than every galaxy in the local cluster combined
>needs gravity furnaces to prevent it from collapsing into a hypermassive blackhole
>consumes resources from other universes to continue building itself

>>159321457
Honestly that really isn't that impressive in scfi. Try reading some xeelee for some fun lore and settings. Or Dune. Blame! is more about the impressive visuals and storytelling. Not so much about explaining how shit works.

>>159312582
>Psycho-Pass

Because you're cherrypicking the most highly acclaimed media of all time from ages ago to an average random show then nitpicking it. Am I supposed to believe that the average western game or hollywood movie has great world building? Some barely have world building at all.

Do not give him any recs, report and move on.

>>159324805
OP is just being a subtle troll.