OLD BOY (the manga, not the film)

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Some points to start the discussion

-Manga villain is a creepy psycho mastermind that makes the movie villain be an angel in comparisom. Very "Naoki Urasawa"-like.

-Teacher and random bar whore were A+ qts. I like the whole 90's fashion attire.

-Seriously, you will open a bottle of scotch and start drinking uncosnciously once you start reading.

>>159298307
The art and and visuals in general, that noir feel it has it far better than that of the movie in my opinion, but everything else pales in comparison to the movie, especially the story.

>>159298307
It's a really fun case of adaptation, one especially illuminating in the face of garbage like the Ghost in the Shell movie and the upcoming DeathNote thing. The two differ dramatically as far as tone and mood and execution but apart from the basic plot they do both still address the same core theme of revenge and obsession. It's a very I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream sorta thing, and I've always loved it: The idea of a person trying to inflict their specific circumstance on someone else. Park Chan-wook uses the incest thing to make it all much more tangible and easy to read for an audience that only has a couple minutes to really soak it all in, but the manga takes its time as a serial to really hammer home the frustrating round about Gotou's stuck in trying to find Kakinuma. And that twist in the end that that's the whole point, that Kakinuma wants Gotou to obsess over him the way he has the other way around all those years makes that haunting idea at the end of, "yeah but was that really the extent of his plot?" He's a man who spent tens of millions and over a decade plotting his revenge, it feels all too real that his plot could utilize even his own death as just a middle step and the idea that Gotou has to live the rest of his life never knowing when Kakinuma's plan might suddenly kick back in is a great way to end it. And it being the basis of Park's handling of the girl in the movie makes it all the more clever on his part.

Though by comparison it does suffer a little by its own genre savvy. It plays into the pulpy classic seinen hero thing almost too cleanly. Gotou, unlike Oh Dae-su, is just totally unchallenged the whole story, which would almost be insufferably boring if not for the revolving door of Kakinuma's goons helping to change things up in the middle. Gotou could have stood to be more of an actual character. He's not nearly as interesting to watch in action as Oh Dae-su is in all his suffering and gradual breakdown.

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>>159301359
>Gotou could have stood to be more of an actual character. He's not nearly as interesting to watch in action as Oh Dae-su is in all his suffering and gradual breakdown.

Gotou didn't ate a live squid or went full Raid against a group of 40 thugs. But playing Mahjong and handling his drinks is somehing, I guesshe did really kept his sanity all through those ten years. Maybe a bit too easy of a task, but incredibly/irrealisticaly well done.

>that twist in the end

Eri listening to the song although just a nightmare was creepypasta as fuck. I was a bit unfazed with the last page of the epilogue, but reading your post made me appreciate it a bit better.

Fuck Kakinuma.

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>Uuuuh, ...attention everyone
>Gotou cried Uh-huh-huh-hu-huh

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>10 years of NEET and tendies

How long did Kaiji manage to spend in the underground labour camp?

Reading it after watching the movie, I haaaated the manga. Villain's motivation seemed like the dumbest of all time.

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>>159302429
>Villain's motivation seemed like the dumbest of all time.

It was.....very japanese. Some of their dialogues reminded me of the long talks (and
opposing duality) between Nakoshi and Manabu in Yamamoto's "Homunculus"