Let's talk about historical mangas/animes. What's

>>159252596
Historical stuff tends to get dropped by translaters in my expierence.

Kingdom is the only one i still regularly follow.

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Lone wolf and Cub, the setting is just perfect

>>159252596
How many more times will Eumenes get cucked before the series ends?

>mangas
>animes

>>159252596
why are the releases for historie so slow?
>>159252917
until his death I'd say.

I don't read all that many, but Vinland Saga is one of my favourite manga.

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Reinhard plays Cesare Borgia

>>159253066
Apparently, the mangaka has Parkinson's or some shit and don't have assistants too.

>>159252596
holy shit wtf is that perspective...

Otoyomegatari

>>159253577
>don't have assistants
is he masochist or what?

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Vinland Saga, by far

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who told that soldier it was ok to write on his shield

>>159254280
Stopped reading when it became farmland saga. How far has it come since then?

>>159252596
Wolfsmund is the only valid choice
Anything else is shit taste

>>159255540
It's changed, but it's still great. The story has kinda shifted away from Thorfinn being an edgy kid and to him trying to atone and change.

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>>159252596
My favorite mango is Kingdom, so that.

i really like Golden Kamui.

>>159254312
The real question is why he's the only one to write on his shield

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The best one of course.

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>>159252596

>>159255937
This. Probably the best ongoing historical manga.

>>159255540
That's a shame because that's when Thorfinn actually becomes a protagonist and a multidimensional character.

>>159254096
He likes to do all the work himself

>>159253731
Good taste

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>>159252917
hehehe

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>>159252596
Dying here waiting for the Battle of Cannae.

>>159254280
What a fucking great manga

>>159255937
The cooking bits are kinda boring and comedy most of the time rather misses the point but it's still fun.

>>159252845
>>159255864
What is this based on? I've heard it's like romance of the three kingdoms

>>159252596
the one that isn't english translated for EOPs

>>159252856
>What's your favorite one?

Lone Wolf of Cub is one of my favorite mangas historical or otherwise, love >>159256969 as well.


Of the ones still ongoing Historie and Vinland Saga are my favorites.

>>159262711
Turnips dropped ad astra.

>>159252596
Havent read the Kingdom, does it has steppe nomads like Turkics or Mongolians?

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Love The Ravages of Time, wish the quality of the scalanations wasn't all over the place.

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>>159269804


just the best manwha passing by

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>>159252596
Any Three kingdom fags here? manga and Drama too?
Which battle was your favorite?
Why is Sima yi so awesome?

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>>159269804
I'm just glad Sangokushi managed to get done consistently without any scanlation troubles. Still the best straight-adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms in my opinion.

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>>159252596
Takemitsu Zamurai. Lone Wolf and Cub and Vagabond are close seconds

>>159255864
This.

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Best war manga coming through

>>159262711
Wasn't Cannae done already?
I want to see the scene with the surrender demand, shit's hilarious.

>>159270813

which op is better though ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuYjyolI30w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8h3ZUWz3IQ

>>159252856
I likes Samurai Executioner but the MC of Lone Wolf and Cub was just so unlikeable, I couldn't finish it.

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Vagabond

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Otoyomegatari

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Was surprised not to find this in the thread already

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Not really sure which is my favourite but since it hasnt been mentioned yet, Innocent

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>>159272840
It really is the greatest.

>>159265033
the spring and autumn warring states period i think it is called

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>>159252596
the answer is obvious

>>159252596
Sorrry but I don't read forced history

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>>159270813

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Is it cheating if my series is about a historian?

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I really loved In This Corner of The World, i really wish the movie would come to my country already so i can watch it.

>>159272578
>Gets her husband to "marry" her recently widowed friend
>said friend has wanted to fuck her from the day they met
>basically start fucking each other the day she gets to the house
>Husband is like, boy they both seem really happy, I wonder why
>elderly female attendant is basically like, how does he not know?
10/10 arc.

>>159252596
>mangas/animes
Faggot.

>>159261579
I love the way that Eumenes gets revenge on this guy by basically doing nothing but humbly acknowledging how much more powerful he is politically.

>>159270394
The soundtrack is so best.

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This right here.

Eikou no Napoleon

>>159275839
I really want translations for this and that other one, Napoleon no Jidai or something like that.

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>>159252596
>Animes

>>159275775
>le tesla meme
reddit pls leave

>>159275915
Have they not been translated?

>>159272840
I don't know, I really loved it until it jumped the shark somewhere around the end of Innocent (or maybe the start of Innocent Rouge), I seem to remember it completely falling apart when that African? guy with the monkey came into the story

>>159252596
>ctrl+f Hyouge Mono
>0 results

dissapoint

>>159276306
He died at the end of Innocent though, he was only there for a few chapters

Song of the long march.

>>159270394
This one was beautifully done inthe old show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvufGvdUvA

>>159273189
Did the translation just dropped?

>>159276427
I mainly thinking about manga so i kinda forgot about it, but it was a fantastic historical anime, also i nice to see the manga is getting regular translations now.

>>159277409
Shame is apparently entering into a indefinite hiatus.

>>159255864
Love it but I'm kinda taken aback that sort of shonen vibe it has. I know is a seinen btw.

>>159252596
Ad Astra had God tier art.

>>159276228

>Tesla
>Meme
>Reddit

This guy is literally one of us. How fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that a man's name belongs to certain individuals?

Also, the manga ain't bad.

>>159277409
>that one dude finds out a soldier was a grill
>he immediately blushes
>"I know where this is going"
>dropped

I'm genuinely curious, did it turn into a turn-of-the-mill shoujo type shitfest after that? I find the main chick really changed once she dropped the whole act, and it turned me off. Is it still good, and should I pick it up again?

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I like to translate the manga touhou suzunan - forbidden scrollery So if anyone has the raws I would really appreciate it

>>159270394
>>159269933
I remember reading a bunh of arcs of Ravages of Time, but then I dropped it because it got too confusing to follow. Do you need to have read/watched Three Kingdoms first?

Also, I disliked how the winner of a fight/battle was ALWAYS the prettier character, so once you noticed that it was never a surprise.

>>159252596
>mangas/animes
Go back wherever you came from.

>>159253511
Yesss. Man, it's still ongoing? 11 volumes in 12 years, sheesh.

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>>159270394
Cao Cao is by far the best character.
https://youtu.be/Tb4iAnsTHNk?t=237

>mangas
>animes

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>>159272840

>dat god tier art

a shame i never see it mentioned that much on here

>>159272107
He's a bit of a mary sue but there's a good reason for that. Otherwise I fail to see how he's unlikeable.

>>159282315
Keep it that way. Good stuff is not for the pleb.

Forgot Blade of the Immortal for a hot second. World building is so good in that.

>>159281774
I havent read Ravages of Times, but I reccomend you watch it first but it's a lot commitment I will say that. 2010 or old one, both are fine, but many says the old drama put out a better sense of direction and act depth while the new one is graphically and cinematic engaging (acting is still good.) You can read the novel too if you want an authentic depiction of the three kingdom, but i wouldn't recommend unless you just want to have an experience and not study about the history indepth because it is a chore and it will fry your brain.

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>>159274510
I see this mange everywhere and I'm still trying to read it but laziness got me.

If that's the case then logh would a (ficitonal) historical drama too since the show itself is a history recap in the future, plus the main character is a historian.

>>159255841
And it's just funny how the world doesnt want him to change.

>>159281412
It turned into Tang princess being a master strategist and playing the nomadic tribes against each other. And and there is a mandatory Buddhist monk training arc.

Who Nobunaga no Chef here?

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>>159276427
I'm glad you made this post so now I don't have to. Hyouge Mono is definitely worth a read/watch.

>>159282768
>You can read the novel too if you want an authentic depiction of the three kingdom
>authentic depiction
>authentic

Ha, good one.

>>159284396
I'm surprised it's not over yet in Japan. Last time I checked maybe 3 years ago, it was already at Sekigahara.

>>159284324
Me!

>>159284564
It's too bad how scans slowed down once the scanlation groups changed. Supreme Cream Scans used to blitz through the volumes but then they stopped, and now it's a chapter every month or so. English scans are only at volume 9 even though there's 19 volumes in Japan already...

>>159284552
It's at the summer Siege of Osaka Castle now at volume 24. The next volume will probably be the last since Oribe committed seppuku shortly after.

>>159284638
Ah, I see. I should try to marathon it once it finishes. Poor Oribe and Hideyori.

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>>159281774
Just read Moss Roberts' Romance of the Three Kingdoms. If you can get through the first few chapters, the novel really does pick up and become a lot of fun.

And if you can't be bothered with that, there's a highly accessible 60 volume manga-series called Sangokushi which covers about 90~95% of the novel, scene for scene, line for line.

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Almost there.

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Shoukoku no Altair anime is starting later this week. Anyone else reading it? Expectations for the anime?

I've only read the first 3 volumes years and years ago, so I'm going through the series again to see how the anime will stack up to it. One thing I don't get, which maybe the story will later cover, is how the mangaka seems to be implying the devshirme system is simply some sort of meritocratic exam system even noble-blooded Turks can enter, rather than being something restricted to the ethnic/religious minority. I guess that might make more sense if the not-Turkey in this universe doesn't have a sultan, and hence no need for a non-aristocratic military force, but then why even call it devshirme if it's nothing alike?

>>159284324
Third.

>>159252973
>>159275403
>>159281852
>>159282239

Literal autism

>>159272840
12-year-olds, dude.

>>159265033
Obviously foundation of Qin dynasty. Aka warring states period.

>>159252596
historie

>>159281774
>>159282768
The old show is basically the novel 1:1. In my opinion, its makes it pretty redundant if you have read the novel already.
But if even if you haven't, the prodution value and direction make it pretty damn outdated. The 2010 show drops some elements that the old historic novels usually had(magic for example) and mixes the novel foundation with more historical elements and also explores a couple of minor possibilities(Sun Ce and Zhou Yu's relationship for example.)

For someone trying to get into it, I'd definitely recommend the 2010 over the old one. The old one is more for fans who know what they're getting into.

>>159284410
He's right though. For the most part the book follows the historical events and characters very closely, and the rest is simply the usual liberties that most novelists of that age took. Don't tell me you're just another dude butthurt because Luo chose Liu Bei as the novels main protagonist?

>>159287422
Plus the actor of Cao Cao in the 1020 show is superb.

>>159287422
The romance is propaganda though, not that it doesn't have any merit but it's definitely biased towards Liu Bei.

>>159287642
>propaganda
Well yeah, he wrote it to inspire.
I wouldn't necessarily say "biased" though, its more of a focus. And why wouldn't he focus on him? Cao Cao is unfit as a focus for such an endeavour due to his actions in Xuchang and general warmongering ambitions, and Sun Ce only appeared relatively late as a force.
Liu Bei is the perfect character to unite the stories and events, due to his travels and allegiances to the various lords, which brought him pretty much everywhere.

>>159287422
I'm a huge fan of the novel, but it's rife with anachronisms and hardly an authentic picture of late 2nd/early 3rd century China. To give examples, there's gunpowder, armies rarely ever use crossbows, the depiction of people of Shu and the Wu Southlands as incontestably "Han Chinese," nomads using chariots, depictions of all 3 kingdoms as centralized states like the Han during its height.

I suppose you could say I'm nitpicking and argue it's still more or less "authentic" though maybe not quite so historical, but at the end of the day, it's still mostly a Ming/Qing-era novel, and the novel's contents reflect that.

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>>159270394
he's the best dadudu

>>159287753
Luo also wrote it during the Jin dynasty, so there was an obvious incentive to glamourize Liu Bei and portray Cao Cao and Sun Quan negatively, its more of a work for entertainment than an accurate historical depiction.

>>159287942
大都督！

>>159287954
Luo Guanzhong lived during the Ming, not the Jin. You're confusing him with Chen Shou, who wrote Sanguozhi (Records of the Three Kingdoms). And the Sanguozhi's not as biased as some people want to think it is. It's negative towards Shu at some parts, like when it comes to assessing Zhuge Liang or Liu Shan, but it's positive towards Shu at other parts, like with Liu Bei.

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>>159285525
Look at this newfag.

>>159288055
I meant to say Ming, I hate to say it but I'm bad with chinese dynasties. As I understand it though in the Ming Dynasty Liu Bei was viewed as the rightful successor to the Han Dynasty?

Hox, can you pick Kouya ni Kemono?

>>159287881
Nah you're spot on with everything you said. I was more referring to the chain of events in relation to the characters. You're totally right with the anachronisms.

>>159287954
>and portray Cao Cao and Sun Quan negatively
Well as said above, its pretty obvious why he'd chose Liu Bei and his brothers as the de facto protagonists. I mean I can see where you and others are coming from, since from a historical pov, he ran around doing pretty much nothing for the most part of the first half of the events.

>>159288268
I'm not sure if there was or wasn't a consensus in the early Ming, but yes, I think it would be safe to conclude so by the mid/late-Ming.

Here's the thing about the legitimacy of Shu vs. Wei. This was a highly debated issue, and it really depended on which dynasty the historian was from. For instance, the Cheng-Han dynasty preferred to see Shu as legitimate, since they also claimed descent from the same imperial Liu clan of the Han dynasty, as well as being based in Shu. In contrast, northern dynasties like the Tang saw the Wei as legitimate. An important shift came during the Song dynasty, when the northern half of China was conquered by the Jurchens and historians came to identify their situation with previous southern dynasties rather than northern dynasties like Cao Cao's Wei. Sun Quan's Wu wasn't exactly a good model for Song historians, because they thought Wu was too opportunistic, arrogant, and too passive, so they preferred seeing the martial/aggressive Shu as their model. So from southern-Song, to Ming, to Qing, more and more people came to see the Shu as legitimate. This is most reflected in the Qing dynasty editor Mao Zonggang's edition of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, in which he adds more parts favourable to Shu, whereas Luo Guanzhong was more neutral (though still favouring Shu).

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>>159252596
1 wolfsmund
2 vinland saga
3 historie

anime , loosely based on real life events grave of the fireflies ,le chevalier du eon, maybe emma

>>159264938
I love the cooking and never get tired of the poop misu soup joke.

>>159287753
It is biased tho. Just look how it depicts Ma Chao as some brave holy man just because he's a retainer of Liu Bei while he was a cold blooded beast

>>159288493
Also, fun fact. If you only speak English, you have not read Luo Guanzhong's Romance of the Three Kingdoms because it's NOT translated in English as far as I'm aware. All the English translations of Romance of the Three Kingdoms are actually Mao Zonggang's version (Qing dynasty), because that's the version that has become most popular. Easy way to tell is that Luo's version was originally written as 240 chapters while Mao's version is 120 chapters. Another easy way to tell is that Mao's version starts with the iconic line, "An empire united must divide. An empire divided must unite." whereas Luo's version doesn't.

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>>159287422
>For the most part the book follows the historical events and characters very closely

>>159288294
No, sorry.

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>"Historical" Anime
>it has sci-fi/fantasy elements
Is there a worse feeling?

>>159288716
>Also, fun fact. If you only speak English, you have not read Luo Guanzhong's Romance of the Three Kingdoms
It's not like I would even if I could read chinese given that it's written in the ancient form.

>>159253511
>>159282197
Fuck, it's already been 12 years?
I remember when Fuyumi Soryo came to Lucca to present the series. It was the year I got into manga seriously.

>>159288769
There are modernized translations into Chinese, Korean, and Japanese though. I don't know about Vietnamese, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also had one too. I'm not sure if any European has bothered to do so in their languages but I highly doubt it.

Historie

>>159288704
While thats true, there are more than enough liberties in that regard all around the novel. Not just limited to Shu

>>159288803
>translations
But all joking aside i'd love to sometime in the future.

getting back on topic, I wish that Taihou to Stamp was picked up by somebody, it's got the nicest setting even if it isn't really historical.

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Nobunaga Concerto was a really great anime, the manga is pretty good too.
>>159270394
It's so hard to find a full Three Kingdoms drama torrent.

It's EVA. Technically we are descedants of Shinji and Asuka.

>>159289105
As much as I like the Sengoku period and all, I wish the Japs would stop jerking over it. I mean, when there are multiple well-known series that all have to rely on gimmicks (not to disparage it, though) like time travel or gender-bending just to inject some fresh air into the setting, can't some of them take the hint and focus on some other parts of their history for a change. How about covering either the establishment or the fall of the Kamakura shogunate for a change? Or some stories about Japanese pirates set in southeast Asia?

>>159252596
World Masterpiece Theater

>>159289347
On a related note, the manga Angolmois - Genkou Kassenki is getting an anime slated for next year. It's about the Mongol invasions of Japan.

PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxt31Ns1c70

>>159288803
>I'm not sure if any European has bothered to do so in their languages but I highly doubt it.
There's a German version that came out a few months ago. Pretty thick and pretty pricey too with 99€

>>159289105
>It's so hard to find a full Three Kingdoms drama torrent.
Not really
>https://idope.se/torrent/jiang%20hu/ee0920fde29989d8c664be13b29594af3a8cf105/

>>159289439
Wow, I'm impressed if it really is the full-blown Luo Guanzhong version rather than the Mao version with extended commentary that partially covers Luo's version.

>>159289439
It was available in german before though, its just that there was just one abridged edition from the 60s or something.

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>>159289487
Well its marketed as the "expansively annotated" version, so if thats the commentary you're refering to, then it might be it. Its also with event maps iirc.
I dont know how big the books actually are, but 99€ is pretty fucking high for books in Germany, so I guess they are big.

>>159289435
That looks like trash.
It looks like a battle shounen, not like an adaptation from an historical manga.

>>159289626
Actually it isn't even that much. Working at a public library I've seen a couple of essays on religion going for that much.

>>159289681
>couple of essays on religion
I can see that stuff like that gets high prices, but belletristik for that kind of money seems to be quite rare.

>>159289626
Just from quick google searches, I'm pretty sure that's just a standard translation of the Mao version. They simply write Luo Guanzhong as the author on the cover because he still is in Mao's version. Mao was still primarily an editor.

>>159289756
Nobody buys it, the work is enourmous and the edition is premium.

Same shit.

>>159289645
The manga runs in a shounen magazine, so yeah, it is primarily an action shounen.

>>159289347
To be fair, every country have that one period they cling to as a major moment in their national identity. It's like trying to get China to stop making stuff related to the Three Kingdoms period, I'm pretty sure they have a new live action drama every year.
>other parts of their history for a change
The Meiji period need more love. A manga set in the Heian period would be cool too, seeing the rise of the Samurai class and Japanese culture becoming less reliant on Chinese items and turning into their own thing, also courtly intrigue between the noble houses.
>>159289439
Oh. I was looking in the wrong place then. Thank you very much.

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>>159255864
It's great, but it's hardly historical given its extensive "reinterpretation" of the character of Ying Zheng.

It also bothers me that all the scanlations use the Japanese readings of peoples' names instead of the Mandarin readings.

>>159265033
The Warring States period of China, which unlike the "heroic" Three Kingdoms period nobody romanticizes, was basically a massive non-stop state of bloody total war, especially near the end.
>The king of Zhou, hegemon of China, becomes a joke even more than before
>China's hills and river plains becomes a massive battle royale arena for never-ending intrigue and bloody warfare
>The former vassals of Zhou adopt Legalism, gradually centralizing and militarizing societies to a ridiculous degree, especially the state of Qin
>Rulers and their ministers gain immense control over most levels of society
>Application of the law and standardization to an autistic degree (i.e.execution of families if their fathers and sons are not at military roll-call, imposition of one writing style, incredibly precise weapons manufacture)
>High culture, trade, and fine music condemned as parasitic to the war effort and maximizing domestic production
>Whole society and government geared around warfare
>Massive infrastructure projects and workshops to produce more weapons and armor, improve communications between armies, and increase agricultural potential for more soldiers
>Every fit male subject to conscription and everyone else working on war production (manufacturing materiel, food for troops)
>Constant, zero-sum expansionism into other Chinese states and barbarian territory to feed more and more resources into the military machine.
>Endless deportations and massacres to pacify restless conquered populations
>EVERYONE trying to contain the military juggernaut that was Qin
>Despite millions of dead bodies for this purpose of stopping that country, it single-handedly overruns all of China

>>159289797 (You)
>>159289626
>Die Geschichte lehrt, dass die Macht über die Welt, wenn sie lange geteilt war,
geeint werden muss, und wenn sie lange geeint war, geteilt werden muss.

Yup, this is the Mao version. Above is the first sentence in the first chapter of the reading sample I found on http://www.fischerverlage.de/buch/die_drei_reiche/9783100270412

>>159289797
As long its the version of the book 99,9% of people have read, I dont really mind.

>>159255864
>You Zhao pieces of shits
>Kanki army
>Zhao
>Kanki
At least pick one style over the other.

Gintama

>>159284846
I've not been able to find a digital version (legitimate or otherwise) of the Moss Roberts translation, only the C. H. Brewitt-Taylor version and a more "modern" translation by Yu Sumei. Am I out of luck?

>>159289976
Oh, don't get me wrong. The Mao version is the version that has become popular for a reason. It's highly entertaining. I personally have never fully read the Luo version too. It's just that unless a country has a huge RotK/Chinese-history obsessed readership, a translation of Luo's version is highly unlikely just because it is so relatively obscure.

>>159290051
Why would they even bother translating it, if the Mao version is the one most popular even in China? The unedited version is mostly library material and for people interested in the history of the novel.
I mean, in China most people have read the Mao version, which is popular and regarded as the classic. So I dont think any foreign publisher would even bother publishing the unedited version.

I'd love it, but its a never ever case in my opinion

>>159285246
They do have sultans however they are semi independent from central authority

>>159290034
Brewitt-Taylor is okay, but pretty stiff. I have no idea how Yu Sumei's translation is. I've seen positive and negative reviews. I'd say give it a go and if you can't get into it, try the manga instead. Yu Sumei's translation is probably more readable for a modern audience than the Brewitt-Taylor since that one is so old.

The reason why people love Moss Roberts full version is that not only does it have modern-prose style, but so many excellent footnotes providing useful information.

>>159285246
Muh nigga Im also reading it.
Also from what i gathered from twitter posts after early screening happened, i can say nips do liked it

>>159290154
>for people interested in the history of the novel

There you have it. Romance of the Three kingdoms is HUGE in East Asia. Hardcore fans would love to read the oldest version available and know how the two versions differ, hence why East Asian publishers would bother with it. You simply don't have that in the West, and hardly any historians here study the Three Kingdoms period. Most Westerners specialize in the big-name periods of imperial Chinese history like the Han, Tang, Song, Ming, and Qing. Transition periods don't get a lot of focus, so even a possible academic audience would be lacking.

>>159252596
>mangas/animes.
Kill yourself
No one will miss you and you will make your mom happy when she stop wasting her time/money/life to keep you alive

>>159271248
The scanlation team dropped the series in the middle of the fucking Battle of Cannae.

>>159252596
there exists a manga that has hoplites?

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>>159290186
They do? Because in chapter 2, it says the country's simply run as a stratocracy with 13 viziers and one Buyuk Pasha at the top. So is the sultan a ceremonial ruler? Does he have any real political/military power?

I suppose I'll find out once I keep reading.

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>>159290217
So far from what I'm reading I guess Yu Sumei's on the left seems to flow more easily than Brewitt-Taylor on the right, but I guess being a disgusting weeb has made me paranoid or prejudiced regarding translations that may read more easily in English while possibly changing some meanings.

>>159290418
Looks alright to me judging from those two pages. But yeah, the first chapter is gonna be tough for new readers because there's so much info dump and switching between characters before it starts to settle on Liu Bei and his two sworn-brothers.

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>>159290308
>>159290154
Out of the four great classic novels, how come everyone only knows about the monkey king and three kingdoms? Are the others even translated?

>>159290610
Pretty sure Water Margin and Dream of the Red Chamber are translated into English already.

>>159290406
When the nomadic Tribes settled and formed Türkiye, 4 Turkish Families were give formed their own also.
However these Sultanates are pretty much vassals of central Paşalık government where they control of their production and trade.
Sultanates were also obliged to join forces with central goverment and form Great Turkish Union in times of war.
However, they do have right to decline, even its a symbolic.

>>159290664
4 Turkish families formed up their countries also*

>>159290610
水浒传 is translated but is probably better known among English-speakers as Suikoden (the JRPG).

红楼梦 is translated but I don't think most westerners would know it.

>>159290610
If you mean how well-known they are to Westerners, it's mainly due to pop culture. There's stuff like Dragon Ball or Dynasty Warriors to make Journey to the West and RotK at least known. Water Margin, on the other hand, does have the very popular Suikoden rpg game series, but that series has kind of died, and a lot of Western audiences don't even seem to be aware that the game is loosely based on an actual Chinese novel.

In any case, those 3 novels are all action/adventure so they have a completely different fanbase from the 4th, which is Dream of the Red Chamber. It's not too often you'll see some RotK-nerd reading Dream of the Red Chamber which is a romance-drama. It is somewhat popular from the world-lit reading crowd who likes sentimental classics from what I've seen though. Personally, having read the novel, I think Kyoani or some studio could make a good romance/SoL anime with it.

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>>159290349
Christ, that's a shame. Just when Scipio's starting to show his stuff.

>>159255540
Farming bit is a pain to read monthly, but when you read the whole lot as one it's much better. It doesn't drag half as much and it has more tension when things get bad.

>>159290664
Oh, so they basically function like important tribal entities that the state cultivates a close relationship with, kind of like the Bakhtiari in Safavid/Qajari-Iran. That's cool.

>>159290760
Oddly enough the best translations of Water Margin and Dream of Red Chamber are published under the titles Outlaws of the Marsh and Story of the Stone respectively.

>>159290349
Do you know why? Turnip Farmers is a pretty active group. Did they lose their translator working on the series or something?

>>159253511
Have to jump on the Cesare bandwagon, it's probably the best historical manga I've read and Fuyumi Soryo's best work in general.
She balances historical accounts and fiction or interpretation perfectly, unlike stuff like Vinland Saga which kinds of goes too far sometimes.
Then again, I'm Italian and know the story of the Borgia family so I can appreciate it more than people who haven't looked much into the whole thing.

>>159289930
>humans are all evil
>morals are a lie
>abolish the family
>conscript everybody into army and forced labor
>execute anybody who doesn't want to fight
>execute anybody who doesn't want to work
>execute anybody who performs below targets
>execute anybody who performs above targets
>execute anybody who is late to work
>divide everyone up into groups and if one member gets executed the whole group gets executed
>burn or lock away all the books that propose there is any way to run a society besides this
was Ying Zheng autistic?

>>159291102
The legalist system was already in place even before he became ruler. Maybe you should ask Shang Yang that, but he'd probably tell you that results are the only thing that matters.

>>159289930
agreed on the names, weeaboos claiming it's a superior decision piss me off so hard, wonder what they'd be saying if Japanese people like Nobunaga were getting their Mandarin readings

I like how in Kingdom the enemy side rarely is presented as wholly evil, how for them, Qin is basically ancient Reich

>>159281105
someone called it well, it's a seinen with a shonen protag

>>159289930
I'd say it's best described as partially historical, the strongest historical bit being the overarching story of China's unification.

Is there a good three kingdoms anime? I want to know the history.

>>159291347
There's an anime of Yokoyama's Sangokushi, I think that's the only historical Three Kingdoms anime,

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>everyone romanticizes the Three Kingdoms Period in China
>nobody ever romanticizes the equivalent Third Century Crisis in Rome which was happening at the same time and caused a similar splitting of an empire into three pieces

>>159291347
No, not really. If you want to know the story, read the book or the manga.

>>159291347
Most of the shows follow the Romance and not the Records, and since Romance is a literary piece it enjoys some licentia poetica - sometimes bigger than you'd expect
There's Sanguo (>>159270394), but it's a live-action, there's Souten Kouro
and Ravages of Time, which are both... kinda weird desu

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>>159291421
Hard to romanticize a whole bunch of literal-who generals that got assassinated in less than a few years on the throne, if not a few months. Maybe if the empire had stayed divided like this pic for ~50 years with distinct dynasties, it'd be easier.

>>159291347
>>159291401
>tfw no Three Kingdoms anime in LOTGH style

>>159291421
Nobody ever wrote an epic about the roman crisis.

>>159255540
They want to go to Turkey to sell shit so they can go to Vinland, but nothing much has happened so far. A few people joined their party, is all.

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>>159291539
I just want an anime on Rome with lots of warfare in general.

>>159258181
>Snorefinn
>multi-dimensional
He's got one aspect: being conflicted about violence. Most of the time he isn't even conflicted, he's just sulking about his past.

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>>159291539
I like this map better personally.

>>159291689
There was a recently published isekai LN from OVERLAP where a modern day Japanese highschooler Romaboo is transported to an alternative Roman Republic where he meets a genderbent Gaius Julius Caesar and decides to serve her, but the first thing he has to do is go find some money for her because she's being crushed by debt.

It's 2017 and there's STILL no manga or anime where Yi Sun-sin appears.

>>159291421
The problem is that it's really hard to romanticize most of those politically dense historical events.
Another one that could be really good would the the unification of Italy, especially since there's Garibaldi, who's considered the last proper heroic figure of human history in the classic sense, but goddamn it would be impossible to do it without really "spicing up" everything with all those literal who figures of the time, not to mention that it would be a longass project with a really complicated plot and tons of digressions.

Honestly though, I'd settle for a biographical manga about Garibaldi's life since it's already a pretty great story.

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>>159291689
I personally think there's too much Rome-circlejerking as it is already in Western media. I'd much rather see a story, I don't care who does it, covering the much more gripping and morally ambiguous Peloponnesian War. You could even throw in a lot of good social commentary on today's global politics with it too.

Seriously, the Peloponneisan is hands down, top 3 or 5 most interesting pre-modern war. I would kill for a good series on it, whether live action or animated.

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>>159291827
The LN in question.

>The Decision of Julia Caesar - Gallia Senki
>Roman hero Caesar is a big tits and covered with debt!
>The favorite period is ancient Rome, the respecting great is Roman hero Julius Caesar - such a high school student who likes Roman · Seiya Orihara (Sayya) Transferred to a different world by a beautiful person who asserts the goddess of the moon.
>There is a world that looks exactly like ancient Rome.
>Although Sayya was able to meet Caesar of the yearning, ...
>Caesar of the other world was a blonde beautiful girl named Julia !!
>Sayya who decided to live in the house of Julia knew the dream of Julia who changed Rome which declines, I promise cooperation.
>However, Julia is a girlfriend who is covered with debt! ·
>Seiya will go to borrow the funds of Julia's planned public works and event holding! -
>Girls' dreams change the world (Rome) Foreign world hero fantasy, Dignified opening!

It also features genderbent versions of Cicero and Crassus, though Cato the Younger remains a dude.

>>159291840
He appears briefly in Hyougemono. Korean dramas and movies circlejerk over him periodically anyways, so it's not that bad.

>>159288572
Read Nobunaga no Chef, it's pretty good, although the cooking is the least historical part of it.

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>>159291827
I remember that one, is it good? All I'm getting from the Amazon review is that there's a lot of fanservice.

>>159291840
Why would Japan want to make an anime about that one time they tried to invade Korea and hopefully China but failed and died?

Still it would be hilarious if Oda Nobuna continued past a theoretical successful unification of Japan by Nobuna, then the MC has to figure out how he's going to invade Korea and win.

>>159252596
Either Mitsuteru's Genghis Khan or Date Masamune. Takeda Shingen is good, but it doesn't have Genghis Khan's amazingly interesting subject, or Date's more multi-faceted developments and more interesting transitionary period between the Sengoku and the Tokugawa shogunate.

Just gonna go out and say it, I want a historical series where all the major characters are lolis.

>>159291967
>Kikero

I love how Japanese, even with their limited vowels and consonants, try to keep the actual Latin pronunciations of the time rather than the Anglified versions.

>>159291967
I want to pour my gold_ down Crassus-chan's throat.

>>159291967
Crassus looks like such a best girl, richest girl in Rome and with drill hair.

Ryoroden was pretty good until they completely alter the history

>>159292021
couldn't tell you desu, never found any raws for it.

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Hawk Wood

>>159292021
>"The boyfriend of Yuria Caesar should be above suspicion!"

>>159292177
>Why hello there, I couldn't help but notice your house is on fire, if only there were somebody around who you could pay to put it out, ohohoho
>Why hello there, I thought I should inform you that the house next door is on fire, if only there were somebody around who you could sell your house to at rock bottom prices before it burns down, ohohoho
Worst girl.

>>159292222
First time hearing of it. Any good?

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Yasuhiko-Yoshikazu
Alexandros

>>159292099
>Caesar
>Kaiser
Now you just made me think there should be some sort of time-travel manga that combines the kidnapping of Julius Caesar with the plot to kidnap the Kaiser.

>>No.159292302
This Series to eight books.
England France 100yers wars.
good i tink.

>>159292274
The original anarcho-capitalist.

>>159282201
This scene fucked me up. Cao Cao and Guan Yu never deserved to be enemies. ;__;

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>>159292274
They should've made him a smug loli.
>Thanks for the house, chump. Here's a denarius, maybe if you're lucky you'll see get to see the Triumph when I'm back from Parthia.

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Yasuhiko-Yoshikazu
Mikawa-Senki

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>>159292256
If anyone is going to go under trial it'll be Yuria.
>>159292274
She's cute now, it's fine. Cuteness makes everything right.

What was that one gory manga about the Hussite rebellion? I remember someone posting the first few chapters on /a/ once, and there were people angry that a young girl could shoot an early firearm without any shocks from recoil.

>>159292256
Hey Hox, what manga are you currently translating? I know you're doing Soil and Historie, but your page for ongoing projects isn't up to date.
>>159292445
What does "deserve" have to do with having opposing allegiances?

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>>159291102
>Mozi views aesthetics as nearly useless. Unlike Confucius, he holds a distinctive repulsion to any development in ritual music and the fine arts. Mozi takes some whole chapters named "Against Music" (非樂) to discuss this. Though he mentions that he does enjoy and recognize what is pleasant, he sees them of no utilization in terms of governing, or of the benefit of common people. Instead, since development of music involves man's power, it reduces production of food; furthermore, appreciation of music results in less time for administrative works.

>>159292768
>your page for ongoing projects isn't up to date
Disregard this, found it under FAQ/Status instead.

>>159292768
Wombs, Planet of Sutakola, Shiji are my other ongoing projects. Gambling Emperor Zero is still on hiatus.

I've been too busy for the past 2 months to translate much, but I'm also planning on starting Futago no Teikoku and Kamui-den soon.

>>159292794
>>159292849
I wish someone would redo the Jeanne scans. The current ones are so blurry you can barely make out the text from the art. What a travesty to Yoshikazu's art.

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>>159252596
Why in most medieval battles people spammed spears or polearms?

>>159292849
Sallets are really fucking sexy.

>animes

>>159292868
Oh right, I forgot about Shiji despite reading it. What's Futago no Teikoku like?

>>159292766
Never mind, I found it. It was called Otome Sensou: https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=98579

>>159292993
Cheap, easy to manufacture, and easy to teach peasants how to use ("stand here, lock your shields, stick them with the stabby end")

>>159293026
Really cool setting. Check out the first volume, there are already scans.

>>159292034
Alternate history shit should work too, right?

>>159272578
>>159275106
Bitch has some stonking tits, I can see why the wife wanted her so badly

>>159285246
Only reading it for the cute boys.

>>159292993
Because it was the cost-effective way for peasant scum to stand up to nobles fighting as mounted warriors. When you have Swiss commoners massacring arrogant Austrian nobles and winning autonomy by force, it kind of sends a message to the whole of Europe how battles should be fought from thereon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Morgarten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sempach

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Recommend me good
>it ain't me
mangos

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>>159293199
Pic related.

>>159293199
People love to fellate the landsknechts, but somehow seem to miss the fact that they were just pale imitations of the Swiss mercenaries, at least until gunpower became really prominent in warfare.

>>159292993
What should they spam instead? Crossbows?

>>159293332
Katana

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>>159293199
In case there's any dutchfags lurking about, I know the Battle of Golden Spurs predates Battle of Morgarten, but the Swiss actually managed to keep winning and remain de facto autonomous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs

>>159291840
>>159292034
The Date Masamune manga includes parts of the invasion of Korea, but doesn't dwell on its overseas action much, since the focus is on Masamune's attempts to conquer Japan (or more). But it was a very interesting time in Japan, and I'd love to see a work combine the Japanese political developments, its overseas forces, and Korea's resistance.
Then again, if beggars were horses etc..

>>159293460
Korean political developments were no better. While still alive, Yi was never treated half decently, or even respected, by pretty much anyone in Korea.

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>>159293292
I think people just like landsknecths for their fashion-style. Araki should work it into his manga one day.

>>159252596
fucking cuck its not animes or mangas
its fucking anime or manga you fuck

>>159252596
Oh shit man, I can't believe I forgot to mention Tezuka's "The Tree in the Sunlight" before now. Quality manga about the lead-up to fall of the Bakumatsu, and conservatie Japan's resistance towards foreign influences, mainly foreign medicine and trade.
>>159293595
Yeah, there's no denying they were fantastically baller.

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>>159293450
These images are too good.
>>159293460
>combine the Japanese political developments, its overseas forces, and Korea's resistance.
Hyouge Mono have that. The whole Korean arc constantly jumps between Toyotomi's court and the invasion army, it was only for one volume though.

>>159293735
It's animu and mango you pleb.
>>159293770
But the translations haven't gotten that far yet, right?

>>159293584
>or even respected, by pretty much anyone in Korea

Not true. He was well respected by both his subordinate officers/troops as well as many politicians, most notably the high-ranking chief state councillor/army inspector Ryu Seong-ryong. It's just that he was caught in the factional strife made it difficult for his conduct to be beyond reproach, especially since it's hard for the royal court and politicians to fully understand military strategy and conditions on the naval front.

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>>159293813
Aye, still a fair bit away. I don't remember which volume it is but Yi Sun-sin should appear in 60 or so chapters.

>>159293956
That looks fucking great, looking forward to it.

>>159293595
>I think people just like landsknecths for their fashion-style.
It's pretty much the same for the Vatican's Swiss Guard or the italian Gendarmeria, it's all about the dress.

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>>159293062
Alright, it's grabbed my attention.

>>159293956
Cool, little known fact. Yi Sunshin's famous last line, "The battle is at its height...beat my war drums...do not announce my death" may not be true due to discrepancies between two important primary sources. Still could have happened, but there's enough room for doubt.

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>>159293185
>only reading it for the cute boys

That's a valid reason I'm sure even the Ottoman turks would agree with. The doujins for the show have the potential to be quite historical.

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>>159294001
I just checked, the Korean arc starts from volume eleven to thirteen, only two-three chapters of actual army fighting in Korea but that's normal for Hyouge Mono. Also, here's the Joseon Prince.

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All of /his/ fags who lurk /a/ is now in one single thread. and I like it

>>159294667
it's a rare a opportunity, /his/ has very good logh threads once in a blue moon anyway.

>>159294667
It ain't a /his/ thread without buttarded marxist and autistic /pol/lack screaming at each other.

>>159252596
I'm not sure how historical The Wind Rises was, but I enjoyed it.

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Obviously the best history anime

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>>159294432
Crossover Doujin when?

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Cat shit
Anyone one know a good world war or 20th century war manga/anime?

>>159294667
I honestly can't stand /his/. It's everything people feared it would be long before its creation. So much arguing about race, religion, and /pol/shit. Then again, I suppose an /a/-outsider could say the same about /a/, being full of low quality waifubait threads or studio fanbase wars.

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>>159294774

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>>159294774
If Allah wills it, so shall the Japs create it for our pleasure.

>>159294807
/humanity/ was a mistake

>>159294801
Miyzaki's Otto Carius comes to mind. As for a longer series, I don't know. Zipang anime was good but manga doesn't have translations. Onwards towards our noble deaths is good in a shockingly depressing way, but that's also a short series.

Yoshikazu has a couple good series about imperial Japan's involvement in Republican china, but again, that's also not translated.

>>159294745
good anime for learning about the aztec triple alliance.

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>>159293185
heh

>>159294943
>>159294801
Mangaupdate's category of WW2 is mostly not focused on the war and/or untranslated.

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?page=1&category=World+War+II

>>159294807
>It's everything people feared it would be long before its creation.
Pretty much, it's basically /pol/'s dedicated board for revisionist history, conspiracies, fascist/nazi apologists and religious fellatio.
The ignorance of that board and sheer amount of bullshit is something to behold.

>>159294943
I know Zipang, havent given it a chance to read it, but I'll pick it up.

>>159295072
aight, thanks

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Ads of Shoukoku no Altair in Subway

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>>159295080
It was fun the first few days.

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>>159295072
>>159294943
But it does have the best WWII manga.

>>159295120
I wonder what Turks even think of Japan or anime in general.

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>>159252596
Vineland Saga is pretty good.

>>159294807
There are some decent actual historical discussion threads there if you ignore the "and humanities" threads and the race baiting.

>>159292993
They were the primary weapons of war because it's easy to teach even for a beginner how to use them and were cheap as fuck.

>>159295080
I would love a board/forum/site where people who actually love history would share/discuss cool academic papers/book they've read. Closest I can find is twitter accounts or blogs run by professionals sharing shit with their peers.

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>>159273857
Red River and RoV
the dou of shoujo historical manga.

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>>159295148
They think Japan as brotherly nation due to Ertuğrul Incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUpwjZsfHrM
And There are signifcant number of weebs in Turkey (See Anzu)

>>159295218
Yeah, I've seen some good threads here and there. It's just I can't stand the general environment of racebaiting-shit, whereas in /a/, I've long grown to find heated fanbase wars amusing.

>>159290647
Indeed they are, I've read both, though admittedly I never finished Red Chamber. (It gets boring as fuck near the end.)

The thing I haven't found is a good unabridged version of Journey to the West, unless one has been released in the last few years. All I've seen are super-clunky ebook translations and the decent but massively shortened "Monkey and the Monk" version.

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Both Innocent and Otoyomegatary was mentioned so I am going with Emma.

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>>159295299
Movie looks cool. I knew the Kemalist and CUP leaders looked up to Meiji-Japan as a model, but I wasn't aware of that shipwreck incident.

>>159295337
Yeah, I've personally only read the abridged Monkey and the Monk version myself.

>>159295218
Largely ancient history like stuff about Rome and China, but mostly anything from before around the 20th century can usually be discussed sensibly, unless it's related to religion and race.

>>159295320
at least on /his/ people do call out the /pol/tards and the "redpills" as retarded, which on /pol/ itself they wouldn't.

Where do you guys read vinland saga? Batoto doesn't have most chapters in English.

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>>159295383
>tfw Im going to Japan for the first time in one week
what to buy

>>159295416
Not just CuP but also Abdulhamid II since he is the one who ordered the friendly expedition in the first place
iirc He was looking for ally against the Russians and other Great Powers

>>159295483
Just download them from manga.madokami.al

If you really want a mangareader site, use kissmanga.

>>159295483
madokami

>>159295532
better not to link homuwaifu, friend

>>159295532
>>159295544

Thx

>>159295525
Yeah, Muslims in general were pretty excited about Japan back in the late-19th century, including al-Afghani.

Related: http://iias.asia/sites/default/files/IIAS_NL27_19.pdf

>>159294667
Yet more proof that if you want a good discussion about a topic, don't do it on that topics board.

I can't even pretend to follow any of these conversations because I'm notoriously bad at remembering names and dates but I like this thread and I'm looking for any new series to get into.

>>159295032
Does this artist also go by Hirame?

>>159295595
my bad

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>>159295655
Kato Katono is her name
her sister (Kato Chika) also doing spin off called Toukoku no Subaru but it's bit of edgy compared to Altair

>>159295320
This is what keeps me away from /his/ as well. I'm a particularly avid scholar of WWII (my long-term goal is actually to teach early 20th Century history at a good university) and any discussion of it is completely ruined by /pol/tard historical revisionism/nazi fanboying.

>>159295929
Which area of WW2 have you read most about? Any recommendations? I've personally shied away from reading about WW2 just because I was so inundated with it through all my years in high school.

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>>159295320
I fear that /pol/ going to swarm into Altair threads once the anime airs
but that's better than no posters i guess?

>>159295985
I don't remember Arslan threads having much /pol/-shit. Maybe all the gay lured them out?

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>>159295147
Aaw yeah.

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>>159295383
Manga also getting its own fair share of adverts on billboards

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>>159295968
Mostly the Nazis, actually. I highly recommend Richard Evans' books, particularly his Third Reich trilogy. They're by far the most deeply researched and sourced works out there and really get into the nuts and bolts of how the party and Hitler originated, came to power, and ran things. A lot of the typical "mysteries" of WWII, the kind of stuff you see /pol/ guys posting with "If x then how could x?" images and stuff, make total sense once you read Evans and get the whole picture of what was going on behind the scenes.

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>>159293123
Weirdest fucking chapter I've ever read.

>>159296168
I had The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh on my eventual to-read list. Should I read Evans' trilogy instead or do they cover sufficiently different grounds/interpretations?

>>159296340
I haven't read that one yet, but from what I know of it I think it's worth reading Evans first.

I remember liking one part in Vinland Saga that showed the first encounter with the natives in North America. I liked how the author knew his shit about how the vikings were the first to "discover" Canada and that they left the natives alone. I don't blame them, nothing is worse than those Newfoundland aboriginals.
Is Yukimura a history academic, or just a fan of learning history, anyone know?

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>new chapter never

>>159296442
Just a fan. He went to art school, but then dropped out soon after his debut as a professional mangaka with Planetes.

>>159272111
>Posting the worst character from Vagabond
Why?

>>159295778
>Kato Katono is her name
The only reason I ask is because I've seen >>159295032
Posted before and the eyes and general facial composition of his female characters remind me of a doujin artist that goes by the name Hirame.

>>159296428
Will do.

>>159294807
It doesn't even take an outsider, I've been on /a/ since '06'-'07, before Lucky Star aired, and current /a/ is definitely shit. I don't go to /his/ myself, but I'm actually surprised it's for as much discussion as it does. It's still shit, but it's not entirely dominated by /pol/.