Shingeki no Kyojin

>>158930009 #

Ah so back when Marley and the Eldians were still actively at war the king just said fuck it and left and took maybe 20,000 eldians with him to make the walls/population inside the walls and just left the rest of the eldians on the main land high and dry with no leadership and a greatly diminished population?

That is kind of fucked up. Still barely explains why Zeke, Reiner, and Berthold hate them though. That's a giant plothole if you ask me. Reiner and Berthold know that the people inside the walls are pretty much all innocent and this didn't seem to change their minds or directions about anything. That's fucking stupid. The people in the walls have it worse than the eldians in Marley.

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I want to kiss him. I want to sniff him. I want to take care of him.

Power of the 9th shifter is to bring Eldians back to life

>>158930348
that's not what you call a plot hole, that's marley propaganda, over the years the eldians in marley have been led to believe the walldians are evil and one day wipe out the entire world

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Do you ship it?

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>>158930272
Endgame

>>158930391
that's retarded, these are titans not Stands or nen where it can be anything

>>158930348
>Marley and the Eldians were still actively at war
No, the war was already over and Marley had seven out of the nine titans. King Fritz tired of fighting and went to Paradis and brought along everyone who wanted to come, the people who stayed did so of their own volition and it's their own faults that they're in situation they are today. To blame Paradis for any of it is faulty.

>>158930430
I ship SiegxDeath by Levi

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Why is she such a fucking retard?

>>158930479
Fuck, I didn't realize it was a picture for ants.

>>158930479
Plot convenience and shitty writing.

>>158930348
>Still barely explains why Zeke, Reiner, and Berthold hate them though.
Propaganda helps with that. The warriors are also raised as child soldiers and taught from day one that everyone on the island is evil. So that is part of the reason why they originally hated the Paradis people.

>and this didn't seem to change their minds
They did realise that it was wrong. That's why Reiner went crazy. But it was too late. They had already killed thousands of people.
Paradis wouldn't just accept their apology and let them live, and if they reneged on the mission Marley would kill their families (well, techinically they would turn them into mindless titans, but still).

>>158930479
>4kb
>119x96
i think you're the retarded one

>>158930417

But Reiner literally knows beyond a shadow of a doubt this isn't true. He lived there for like five years. Berthold knew this as well before the last attack. Why didn't this dissuade them?

>>158930479
Lesbian is satan spawn after all

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>>158930479
She was Greek.

>>158930272
If Annie woke up now, implying she hasn't in the time skip, how would she react?

>>158930568
They can't even if they want to. The moment they giveup their mission, their entire family would get titanized.

>>158930568
i don't think you understood the whole point of the recent chapters, it was to show what they are fighting for, what they have lived for, what they joined the warriors for, they can't betray their dreams and goals just like that

we also saw how reiner is not sure about what he's doing and his mother figured out he has changed but he can't put all his family in danger by betraying marley just like that anon

>>158930503

This is a good, satisfying explanation that makes sense to me. Thanks.

God damn Reiner and Berthold have/had it the worst in this entire series. Absolutely sandwiched between this shit with no outs. At least Zeke and Eren still get to believe they are doing what's right and no matter how bad it gets, they died doing everything they could for the people. Reiner and Berthold basically are aware they have done absolutely terrible things and have nothing to show for it and no way out.

>>158930588
she doesn't think she'll be forgiven, there is no way, she'd be ready to be killed

also there's the song about Annie written by Revo

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>>158930479

>>158930616
>>158930630

Yeah I got it now. Thanks guys.

>>158930654
we don't know what zeke's doing, he has his own plans, he's hiding the fact that he has royal blood

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>>158930430

Manlet lost his chance to kill Zeke because he forgot when Erwin said that that cart titan seemed smart.
If anything perhaps he doesn´t need to fight against Zeke again having Eren and Armin (and FT?) now.

>>158930588
Very wary and trying to scape by all means possible.

>>158930673
>Intelligence stats: Historia - 4/10; Ymir - 7/10
What is the truth?

>>158930705
Guidebooks are cashgrab memes for children, that's the truth.

>>158930452
>Tap directly into the source of all organic materials
>Create person a new body
>Use eldian connection/time fuckery to transfer their mind into the new body
Necromancer titan confirmed

>>158930705
After Eren used the coordinate Ymir intelligence dropped to 1/10 where her only motivation became to return the Jaws titan to Marley side and kill herself saying sorry she lived at all.
her not being able to say in the letter why she did all that for her enemy sake pretty muc hshows all how she ahd fallen for Isayama changed plot to create marley shifter side as story development.

>>158930705
Ymir is just her little baka. Also I think they mixed up her wits stat with her battle skills, because she had 6/10 there. They switched these in merch cards.

>>158930479
>"Volunteer" self to be eaten
or
>Get raped and tortured by Marleyans before being force fed to a warrior

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>>158930654
Well, that's just how I see it. Glad I could help.

>>158930771
BR gave her a chance to escape.

SC is canon after the timeskip

>>158930272
Is the same faggot making all the OPs? That's really cancerous.

Sasha will kill Gabi or Gabi will kill Sasha.

>>158930883
Sasha will kill Gabi

>>158930883
Gabi isn't going to die, Falco will join Eren and she will be his nemesis because she will consider him a traitor.
If Gabi ends up dying it will be by Falco's hand.

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Dog shit is here, say something nice to her.

If Falco ends up eating Reiner and becoming the AT won't he also get his memories?
Will Falco end up switching sides?

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>>158930883
>irrelevant but cute meme potato girl
or
>death flags central but cute war crimes girl
tough choice. They are both cute without too much substance as characters.
I hope Sasha doesn't die though, I like her more.

>>158930577
To be fair someone named Porco shouldn't really be allowed to say anything about anybody else's name.

>>158930985
She stinks!

>>158930726
if that were true, kruger's info about "marley wanting to use the eldians on the island or kill them all" would become contradictory since 9th could revive them, there would be no 'or' in his sentence

besides I doubt any shifter is that power much like ymir fritz, this is still totally retarded even for isayama

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>>158930272
Annie is made for Bert cock

>>158930992
>Will Falco end up switching sides?
Well Ymir switched side after her Marcel memories awakened by Eren using the coordinate, so by the same logic Galliard would be the most possible outcome to go for SL side if Ymir memories would trigger him with Historia images.

>>158930992
Falco is a smart one, he knows this whole deal is fucked up, if Gabi dies i wonder what he will do

> next chapter in two weeks

I miss my walldians

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I love my little boy so much. We're making some special treats for when his Daddy (Erwin of course) returns home from work.

>>158931233
no walldians for this year anon

>>158931233
Your predictions?

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He didn't make many appearances, but I quite like Kruger.

>>158931441
Kruger is fucking handsome, and his plan would have worked if not for Grisha's shitty parenting.
All his sacrifices nearly got flushed down the toilet because of him.

>>158931441
>kruger's memories are too strong and starts affecting eren till their personalities become interchangeable

>>158931539
I wouldn't mind abomination Eren, maybe we could learn more about thr previous AT holders.

>>158931521
Kruger himself admits Grisha's plan was great and approved of Grisha's efforts in full. It's hardly Grisha's fault, he did the best he could.

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>>158931539
Kruger was just a fully-realized adult Eren that always pussied out whenever it came to taking real risks with results. If you mean his mellow demeanor then yeah, after the timeskip I can see it happening. This hobo doesn't strike me as the sort of person to make a lot of conversation.

>>158931580
>It's hardly Grisha's fault
It's all Grisha's fault for being a retarded extremist piece of shit.
No child condemns their parents to death unless he was abused psicologically like Sieg was.

Jean version of SNK OP 2: https://youtu.be/Q_DXkVHhxSI

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>>158931607
>that always pussied out whenever it came to taking real risks with results
Owl was literally a spy. That alone is risky as fuck. He is responsible for the feeding who the information to the rebels. That is also risky as fuck.

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>>158930272
HMM WHO NOSE?

>>158931607
Where are you people getting these shots from

Jean will inherit the Beast titan from Zeke by eating him and then he'll have the power to turn into a Horse beast titan.

>>158931699
The manga?

>>158931644
You're the extreme one. Grisha gave Zeke that role, sure, but it can hardly be called abuse. Moreover, Zeke at present is even further a hypocrite since he's doing EVERYTHING Grisha told him to do. If Grisha knew that shifters were condemned to thirteen years of life after getting their titans, too, Kruger noted even he would have hesitated. He cared for Zeke, but also wanted Zeke to play adult games. Considering Kruger was aware of his plan and approved it, you'd also have to be blaming Kruger as well.

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She deserved it, right?

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Reiner is so handsome.

>>158931677
Yes, but at the same time in his small amount of screentime it was well-established that even he considers himself to be watching the world through a closet door, too afraid to really go into the danger to take risks. Even as an adult, he can't do it. I think it's an interesting character trait, like you said he's a spy, which feeds into not taking huge risks that could blow his cover. He had the anger and the drive for freedom, enough to use the Attack Titan, but never to make gambles. And that's fine. He still did his mission to the fullest, Grisha did as well.

>>158931786
Rosa deserved life.

>>158931738
Grisha tried to brainwash Sieg by imposing a child soldier role on him with future genocide in mind.
I call that bad parenting.
Kruger put a lot of trust into him and he fucked up.

>>158931799
Hansamu~

tfw Kruger told Zeke to out his parents

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He did nothing wrong.

>>158931850
>with future genocide in mind
Just reviving Eldia and freeing Eldians from Marley rule. Even if you strip this of context, it's not a bad thing. Grisha did fuck up, but not by any extreme extent, it was Zeke's own doing that undid everything he and Kruger were both working for, along with all the rest of the secessionists. A single seven year old child sent their plan down the toilet, sent them to Paradis, and eventually he still did it anyway. What a mess.

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>>158931802
Oh yes, Kruger was definitely afraid of fucking up and avoided certain things because of it. Seeing what happens when you get caught scarred him pretty badly.
pussied out is a harsh term though.
Both he and Grisha did alright, I think. Together they grew the rebellion (before it all went to shit), Kruger got Grisha with the SnK onto Paradis, and in the end Grisha got the Coordinate.

>>158931946
>Eldians from Marley rule.
And that roughly means genociding Marley. Restorationist hate them too much.
Grisha knew he was a bad parent with Sieg, that he fucked Kruger up, that's why he didn't do anything of the sort with Eren.

>>158931997
>Seeing what happens when you get caught scarred him pretty badly.
Holy shit, I never caught that. That actually made my heart flutter a bit, that's a solid point right there. No fucking wonder he was afraid. Even if he was a shifter, he's still ultimately human.

>>158931918
Actually not totally off the wall. Owl was the source for the Restorationists' Eldian documents, but he didn't believe any of it.

>>158932033
His one mistake was going too hard on Zeke, he and Kruger were both going along with this plan after having worked on it together. And they would've been successful if not for Zeke. Kruger didn't fault him for it and neither should you, they still got done what they needed to get done, if a bit late.

When Eren gets memories of his dad being tortured can he feel the pain too?

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Reminder that Kruger was cracking his knuckles before Grisha nearly got pushed.

>>158931918
What if it was the nameless glasses guy that appears when soldiers are taking Grisha and Dina away? Zeke also inherited his glasses.

>>158931233
You're gonna be disappointed then
I'm not even sure we will see the walldians until the very last chapters

>>158931946
>Grisha did fuck up, but not by any extreme extent
Grisha did some things right and some things wrong. Zeke was a big wrong though. Grisha himself admits he committed a horrible sin and fucked up the execution of the plan with Zeke; but the impression i get from his conversation with Kruger was that Kruger thought it was a good idea, just the execution fucked up.

>>158932084
You know how you think back on really embarrassing experiences and flip your shit? The same can be said for painful experiences as well, he probably remembers it as vividly as his father does, and it makes his heart pound and mind panic, but ultimately, no, there's no pain but the fear, I'd say. Try to think of the most painful time you had in your life, and see how the memories make you feel. Something like that.

>>158932118
I think we are going to dwell a little into Eren's flashback and go to the present Eren on Marley talking with Falco.

>>158932136
Like I said, the one and only mistake he made was his father's as well: he didn't consider his child's feelings much. This was amended with Eren where he was always treating Eren with the consideration that he had lacked with Zeke, and to me it seemed like Eren and Grisha had a very healthy relationship where Grisha waited for Eren to ask questions and he very earnestly answered. And also Grisha having been asking Eren about his own motivations as well, it seemed like Grisha was incredibly proud of his son, the way he came to lust for freedom naturally and live up to his namesake.

>>158932136
Of course it was a good idea. Grice would have been a better option to execute it.

>>158932159
It might be a nice, if somewhat subdued, confirmation that the hobo actually is Eren if the next chapter immediately starts off with him on screen.

>>158932205
t. Grice
Grice didn't have a child of royal blood to use the coordinate, unlike Grisha with Zeke. Unless you're implying cuckoldry, in which case I doubt Grisha would have prepped the bull for Dina anyways, he loved her to bits.

Just caught up. What was the general reaction to the time skip? /a/ almost always hates them.

>>158931273
I'm assuming we will see the next Paradis invasion through the warriors POV (Zeke, Reiner, Pieck and Polko).

But since Gabi and Colt will inherit BT and AT, its possible that may be sent in as well. Im not sure if Magath or Falco will find a way to go as well.

But I think that as soon as they reach the borders of Paradis, they will be attacked either by Armin or by Paradis Army (Survey Corps, assuming that the army didn't went to a change through the last years).

But Eren will be nowhere to be found.

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>>158932201
Yeah, that whole segment where Grisha doubts himself because he never treated Zeke as a human spells that out. Grisha should have read more Kant

>>158932159
I just hope the chapter won't be just warriors flashback
I like Reiner and it's cool to see more about his past but if the manga is supposed to end at chapter 110~ , the pace should fasten a bit, I don't want to rush everything at the end.

>>158932248
>Grice didn't have a child of royal blood
That just shows how much of a shit taste Dina had.

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>>158932255
>eren never shows up
>he'll still manage to make up at least half of the chapter discussion just by not having a direct presence

>>158932254
I don't hate it, it doesn't matter at all, it good that marley has been in war for a few years and walldians had time to do their own shit

>>158932254
The first timeskip I ever liked
I think everyone being adult could be interesting

>>158932279
>supposed to end at chapter 110~
I still don't know where this comes from.

>>158932255
i doubt gabi will still be getting the AT after all the shit with falco and reiner

>>158932274
I honestly wonder if there are any philosophers in the SnK world. Like, imagine in the time that Eren's been on the mainland, he overdosed on philosophy books and in the middle of a battle starts spouting platitudes about liberty. Him having some arguments to back himself up would make him far more interesting than he's been since recently it's just been
>muh ocean
Beyond all else. Whereas in volume 4 it was about a human's basic rights to live their life as they pleased, without interference. He had some good points with that, but he needs to expand on it some more otherwise he just looks like a kid.

>>158932255
This actually makes sense.

>>158932378
I'm not sure, but it seemed as is Marley who chooses the next shifters, and since Gabi was through all that war - hero stuff, it seems that she was the chosen one.

Although I do believe that Reiner wants to plot a way to save her by making Falco become the new Armor

>>158932407
>it some more otherwise he just looks like a kid

He even got callled out in the manga about that.

He's like his dad, Grisha also had a black & white view and was full of hatred

>>158932274
Ever since highschool I tried to rule myself by the Categorical Imperative.
Feels good and hard man.

>>158932458
>Marley who chooses the next shifters
yes, that is why reiner said falco has to prove himself, what I meant was that the story would go in that way because it was mentioned or other wise it would be waste of pages by mentioning it and not doing it, it would be waste of a plot line

reminder reiner still has 2 years

>>158932490
Nah, that was just Ymir being an ass. He's got every right to be pissed. And it's less about him having a black and white view and more about the fact that he, along with the rest of the world, has pretty much no idea of the truth about the world until the basement reveal.

>>158932531
I didn't say he wasn't right to be pissed, Ymir shit talk but she also lost his mind when it was about Christa.

But he can't simply win by "killing them all"

>>158932594
And that personal goal died the moment he realized he was killing his own people, who were made into prisoners by a much bigger threat. He literally didn't know up until that point the scale of the enemy they were fighting. Sure, they still have to kill all the titans to take back their land. But as revenge? I'd say he got enough revenge once Bert was dead, he never spoke a lick of it after that and by the time they reached the ocean, he was tearing up at the thought of having to fight anymore people, since he knew they'd be fighting and killing their own people for a pointless effort. He's already recognized just killing them all isn't going to work, so that's dead in the water. But his original dream, that of freedom? That's still up in the air. Especially after the timeskip, there's huge potential there. I really can't wait.

Why did season 2 feel so rushed and cut and chop bits and pieces from different points in the manga

seriously who is managing these decisions, they're very poor

i don't think he's totally black and white, when his fight against annie in the manga, he transformed by thinking "world is unfair" unlike the anime where they intentionally make eren look retarded

there was also a scene in the manga where eren was thinking of "where to direct his anger" anime also skipped that, why does araki want him to look retarded 2 dimensional character

>>158932738
Shitty OST _usage_, the OST itself is great
Overdoing YH
Not using more of that glorious pencil-shading from Habanero besides a few moments on Reiner
Odd choice of direction really
At the very, very least, I appreciated this as a kickstart to season 3, I never in my wildest dreams could have imagined we'd be at the ocean, animated, within a year
The real question is, will Marley eventually be adapted?

>>158932687
Yeah, there's a good potential for character development

4 years of timeskip + reaching adulthood + being overflow by the memories of Grisha and Krueger is quite something.

Though while I said killing them all wouldn't work, I also don't see how the walldians could ever be at peace with the world.

If I was in Eren's shoes I would just say fuck it and waiting for death tbqh.

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>>158932738
They spent their budget on ymir and historia instead of erwin sasageyo moment

>>158932801
Eren's character is about always trying to do the morally right thing. The world, however, is a horrible case of lacking information entirely. When there are characters who could change the game by just giving up a little info, but refuse to do so despite knowing how beneficial it could be, it's no wonder he gets so pissed. It's not about being black and white, it's about not having enough information. This might bother readers who, as outsiders to the world, have enough perspective to realize that there's more to the story, but in series he's never really unjustified in how he acts. Which makes the basement reveal coupled with the timeskip interesting, because we really haven't seen things set in for him yet.

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>>158932821
This may just be my opinion, but Isayama's best character writing seems to go into his adult characters, rather than his teenager/child characters.
The timeskip has the potential to move EMA (and JSC, I suppose) into adulthood, which is promising.

>>158932050
This. I think after seeing hundreds if not thousands of Eldians tortured and titanized for even breathing a treasonous word, I think Kruger would of course hesitate to take risks. If he got caught, he'd suffer the same fate if not worse. Plus he literally saw his parents burned alive to death in front of his eyes. I think that's also a part of it. But all things considered, I think Kruger did a good job. If not for him, the SnK would not be on Paradis and the Coordinate would still be with King Reiss. Even if he didn't take risks, in hindsight he was the only reason why hope is still alive.

Also I'd just like to say that like some anons above have said. Kruger's plan itself wasn't terrible. It was good. And it had a very high chance of succeeding. It's just bad luck struck and Zeke snitched. Part of it due to Grisha and Dina being terrible parents. They could've handled their son a bit better in my opinion.

>>158932953
i hope he does a seinen next, with actual adults instead of teenagers

>>158932821
>If I was in Eren's shoes I would just say fuck it and waiting for death tbqh.
I think this might seem awfully strange as an idea, but I imagine that if Eren's gone to the mainland, it could have doubled as something of a vacation for him. He went to the mainland, and finally free from all responsibility, he just sorta let go for a bit. If he laid back just a little bit and kept his anger under wraps until reader-appropriate moments, it'd make him way more popular than he is now. I'd say the mystery surrounding the hobo has done a good job of that, and shows that with a little mystique even the autists here in /snk/ can come to like him. Marley arc wasn't a mistake, it was brilliant on Isayama's part because it adds mystery to all the characters we've seen too much of, and evens the playing field by answering the questions readers have had for ages about the other side of things. Mysteries outside the walls became mysteries within them.

>>158932991
That would be great.

>>158932870
Damn, I would SHINZOU his SASAGEYO, if you know what I mean.

>>158932998
I like the marley arc, it's very informative, people should be patient and not jump about seeing muh levi muh walls

>>158932953
I've thought about this quite a lot. I'd say it's because he can't bring himself to fully send these teenagers into hell, they're still to some extent pure and green to the world at large. They're amazingly mature for their age, honestly. But it's hard for readers at large to get that. I'd say that now that they're all fully fledged adults, Isayama will be willing to take risks with them and make them a little more impure. Armin particularly should get that treatment, it'd make him far more likable if his dark side became what he showed more often than the lighter parts, especially now that he basically took Erwin's life and role and has no dream to fulfill and "keep pure" like Isayama wanted.

>>158933080
What if
>warriors go on an offensive towards Paradis
>get stopped on the way there by the new Paradisian navy
>can't even make it to the island
>retreat
>never see any characters from the walls
>boat chapters for half a year
How mad would you be?

>>158933080
Yeah. At first I didn't quite like the shift in tone but now I'm actually liking it. It answers a lot of the questions we've had since the beginning. It gives us a whole new perspective on things. In my opinion, I'd like a few more Marley chapters just to set things up for the war and the inevitable Paradis reveal.

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>>158932891
That's why I highly doubt about Grim reminder. While Eren can display very violent behavior (like stabbing a adult to death) this is always against things who did wrong to others. He saw thank to Grisha memories how the eldians trapped in Marley suffer. And he also had the point of view of Krueger praising Grisha's father decision of not risking his family's life. He doesn't have the guts to sacrifice HIstoria. It would be OOC for him to start killing innocent people.


Though he might lost his shit seeing Reiner living happy with his mother and his cousin

>>158933121
But that's not going to happen.

>>158932804
>will Marley eventually be adapted?
They talk about it at 7:50 https://youtu.be/1EjKrcsvhCA Araki also said they're doing a full adaptation.

>>158932953
>Isayama's best character writing seems to go into his adult characters,
wait, aren't the main characters now adults? does that mean they can be redeemed?

>>158933121
>Paradisian navy
never happening, 4 years can't do that to them out of nowhere

>>158933142
>more Marley chapters
i was thinking the last chapter would end it since it was last of the volume it appears that this will be a whole are in marley

>>158933194
>not available in your country
fucking why

>>158932407
>Well read protagonists
Muh dick.

>>158933194
>>158933302
i got a better link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOg4Xjb_ml0

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>>158933088
>I'd say it's because he can't bring himself to fully send these teenagers into hell, they're still to some extent pure and green to the world at large. They're amazingly mature for their age, honestly.
That's a fair enough point. Plunging them into full adult mode would have been a big issue and a challenge.
>I'd say that now that they're all fully fledged adults, Isayama will be willing to take risks with them
I agree. To be honest many of the young Paradis crew haven't seemed all that complex or compelling to me, likely for the reasons you said.
>>158933211
That's the dream.

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>>158933194
>"How do you feel whenever you read the latest issue?"
>"Speaking of the latest one, it's out as we speak, and I was able to read it earlier. Every single time, I enjoy reading it and thinking, "Ah, I didn't see that coming." In any case, it has some huge shocks, or should I say fascinating ones. The newest issue it out, but the locations differ from what we're working on in season 2. We'll reach those parts in the future, of course, so there's a lot of very subtle foreshadowing. Even though I'm getting increasingly nervous, since I don't want to ruin those delicate parts, I still enjoy reading it every month."
holy shit, they really are gonna go for it all the way, I feel like I'm dreaming

Does Eren have random flashback of his father banging his mom?

>>158933253
>>158933162
I know it won't, Isayama's not that retarded, but I do see their offense failing as they underestimate Paradisian advancements. He might have some funny ideas for technological advancements on the island now that the timeskip gives him the perfect opportunity to bullshit in.

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>>158933455
SEX
GOD

>>158933466
i find it hard to believe it would all go so simple, before the actual war starts some fuckery is bound to happen

>>158933426
It's not really surprising. I've seen some anons say there won't be a season 3 but I always felt like it would get as many seasons as it took to adapt the whole thing. Because shows like Attack on Titan and Sword Art Online are immensely popular both domestically and internationally. So they are basically confirmed to be adapted all the way through. SAO was confirmed to be adapted all the way to the end and I feel AoT is the same. If Isayama puts out enough content I don't doubt there will eventually be a season 4 or even 5.

>>158933515
>Grisha made a baby with Dina only 1 year after meeting her
>And was already banging Carla soon after entering the walls.

Fucking Chad isn't wasting time.

Non-chibi Reiner or AT figs when?

>>158933569
>season three will be two cour
>two openings from that
>Marley arc will probably take two years at least, maybe one cour at first
>three guaranteed more openings from Linked Horizon
I wonder the motif they'll go for in season four for Marley, then.
>hobo Eren will be animated in your lifetime
That means no more of that twink art director, hopefully.

You now remember Thomas

>>158933515
>Eren has memories of being fucked in a female body
Thanks for exciting my sick mind, that is hot af

>>158933629
>That means no more of that twink art director, hopefully.

>Implying
Japanese fujos love twinks

>>158933515
Not to mention he has Kruger's memories too. I think with looks like his, Kruger must have been getting a shit ton of Marleyan pussy back in his youth. Eren must have inherited some of his techniques too. He could literally mindbreak any girl he wants with just sex alone at this point. Hell, why stop there? Might as well fuck Zeke, Reiner, Magath and Mads until they all mindbreak and surrender to Paradis unconditionally.

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>>158930680
>Manlet lost his chance to kill Zeke because he forgot when Erwin said that that cart titan seemed smart.
>best girl outsmarted manlet

>>158933640
>you now remember Mina

>>158933515
How the fuck does that makes him a Chad?

>>158933660
Yes. Yes. Yes.

>>158933660
If the coordinate wasn't in his hands, he could fuck the 145th out of whoever had it.

>>158933671
;-;

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>Protect her smile at all cost!

You just know DILF Eren fucked hundred of Marleyan maidens calling.

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So who is going to be the real winner in the end?

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>>158933735

>>158933724
If you're talking about Kruger, then he definitely has. Tall, quiet and mysterious man who's quite a looker and a high-ranking officer in the Marleyan forces? I bet he has Marleyan bitches lining up outside his barracks every night to get his dick. Maybe he shares some of the younger ones with Gross. Man, if Eren grows up to look even half like Kruger, he'd have bitches all over him too.

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>>158933723
A cute

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>>158930450
How mikasa even compete ?

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>>158933723
>smile protected

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>>158933775
By the time he was dying, his charm turned him into more of a grandpa. But Kruger here was a very handsome man.

>>158933723
That's not proper English

>>158933806
It's not a competition.

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This is a hobo.

>>158933775
Yeah of course DILF = Eren Krueger.
I don't worry for the younger Eren though, he got good genes on his side.

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My son Jeanbo did not come home last night. Does anyone know where he is?

Why did Reiner and Bert talk so reverantly about their hometown, if they live in a horrible police state where they're considered a lower caste and used either as cannon fodder or endentured super soldiers?

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>>158933823
I know

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>>158933875
Shame the manga isn't one in which we'll ever see Eren, or anyone else for that matter, in a sex scene...

>>158933666
intelligence was her specialty as the last chapter states

>>158933806
By not being encased in crystal and an enemy?

>>158933879
Probably in the basement down at Stohess District. I hear soldiers pay a lot of money to go down there at night. Don't know why. I heard Commander Erwin call it stress relief for the soldiers. I wonder what's down there in that basement though. Maybe Jeanbo's down there relieving his stress?

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>>158933842
Ha got that right
Mikasa a shit
Best girl always wins

>>158933917
That's what doujins are for, anon. Since Marley is bound to be adapted eventually, you can bet your ass hobo Eren will get a doujin or two. Though he'll be on the receiving end of the dick, in all likelihood. ;_;

>>158933723
>Dedicate your hearts!

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Help I'm becoming gay because of this beautiful daddy

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>>158933660
>>158933724
>>158933775
He'll fuck you up.

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>>158933926
>Eren wil never feel the same way mikasa feels about him
>when she went into kiss him after confessing her love for him Eren rejected
>mikasa is a shit with dead parents lol

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SOPA DE MACACO

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>>158933968
Forgot my image

>>158933902
Then why do you never fix it?

>>158933879
stop, now i'm imagining her making omurice for him while waiting for him to come from the final fight against marley but he will never return

>>158932738
Season 2 was incredible

I'm so fucking confused.

Is Reiner fighting for Eldia or Marley? I think the translation I'm reading is shit or something, or this is just a confusing as fuck segment.

Reiner and his clan are Eldians fighting for Marley against orthodox Eldians and the Middle Easterners to try and redeem themselves in the eyes of Marleyens, right?

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>>158933937

>>158934035
Most satisfying thing ever

>>158934048
Jean made it this far, if such characters as he, Sasha and Connie are still alive there's every chance they will make it out. Isayama had plenty of opportunity to massacre them.

And doesn't his editor really like Sasha or something? I seem to remember his editor vetoed Sasha dying at one point.

>>158933988
Grisha should've married him instead of Dina or Carla. Both are inferior bitches compared to this perfection.

>>158934034
Not like Annie's situation is any better
>mikasa is a shit with dead parents lol
What are you, a grade schooler?

>>158933988
you can be bi

>>158933894
It's where their family is.

>>158934077
go to mangaseeonline.us
start rereading from chapter 91
if it's still confusing, come back

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>>158934045
Because I don't want to.

>>158934107
former editor

besides it could be possible that isayama was just saving them to kill at later point for the shock value, because anyone new dying won't leave the same impact

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>>158934111
>butthurt micuckasa

>>158934135
But why don't you

>>158934077
They're basically fighting for equal rights in Marley. Right now, they live in ghettos and are treated like second-class citizens and have zero human rights. By becoming a warrior, they can prove their loyalty to Marley and elevate their families to a higher status and gain equal rights as Marleyans. At least on paper.

So far Marley hasn't seemed to give them any of them so I think it's just an empty promise to make the Eldians fight for them. A huge dick move if I say so myself. These Eldians literally made Marley a superpower using Titans. And the only thanks they get is the right to live in a ghetto.

>>158934111
he's baiting, ignore

>>158934164
But nobody cares about Sasha and Connie anymore
If he wants shock value, he should have killed them before.

>>158934179
Right I get it. That's what I thought, this translation just has some poor wording in some scenes.

>>158934134
Thanks

>>158934179
they live in guilt, they think the world who hates them would forgive them if the 'evil' eldians on island die, marley brainwashing is top notch

>>158934034
and shartnnie is a stinky womanlet jew with daddy issues lel

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>>158934003
Reminds me of a picture I couldn't find, so here's one of Eren in a similar position.

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>>158934192
Anniefags are truly cancerous

>>158934208
>But nobody cares about Sasha and Connie anymore
Nobody cares about Connie, Sasha is a cute meme girl, plenty of people like her.

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>>158934048
>she won't stop telling everyone how proud she is of Jeanbo
>keeps saying that he can finally settle down after the big last battle
>when he visits she constantly mentions girls
>hints at marriage and grandchildren
>he used to hate it but now brushes it off saying that grandchildren will make her feel old
>she waves him goodbye
>each day still talks about Jeanbo
>Jeanbo who now lies on the muddied ground dead and still
>hears that soldiers are returning
>gets out her best dress to see them return
>there are the faces she recognises
>"Jeanbo must be in the middle of them"
>"Jeanbo must be at the back"
>"Maybe he will arrive late. He hasn't come with the rest of them. He must have an important job!"
>goes home and starts to make omelette
>gets late
>omelette goes cold
>leaves it out in case he returns in the night
>goes to bed
>gets up and sees omelette is still there untouched
>strange for Jeanbo not to have his favourite
>hears a knock at the door
>sees young man in uniform through the window
>it must be Jeanbo!
>opens door
>"Ma'am, might I come in? There's something important we need to discuss."
>m-maybe Jeanbo will return tomorrow???

>>158934208
>But nobody cares about Sasha and Connie anymore
oh come on, you know they are one of the oldest characters in the series, them dying would leave significant effects on normies

he already has killed many for shock value, the whole levi squad and hange squad died for the same reason

now they need more characters and who else than the old ones

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Where is Annie

when will she be relevant again

she's been crystallized for literally 5 in universe years

>>158934229
>Marley brainwashing is top notch

To be fair that's several generations worth of brainwashing. Hard to ignore it when it's your own parents shoving that propaganda bullshit into your mouth. That's basically what happened with Reiner. His mom did Marley's work for them and handed them a loyal puppet.

>>158934171
It's already a meme at this point. I'm not even the original guy, I'm just reproducing him.

>>158934208
Connie is for Zeke
Sasha is for eating all the potatoes in the world.

>>158934249
i myself am a anniefag, you're dealing with some newfag troll

>>158934229
Basically King Reiss fucked up big time by taking the co-ordinate power and isolating it within the walls.

His actions are understandable at the time but it seems he totally lost it at some point.

>>158934077
Bad translation. His situation's made clear, he thought as a kid that if he dedicated himself to the cause entirely, flesh and blood and soul, he might be able to make his mother and father proud. It never happened and he ended up with more blood on his hands than he can stomach. He spent the last four years after the Shiganshina fight constantly fighting and only now returned home where he reflects over his past and shows signs of faltering loyalty. He probably wants to fight for Eldia as a concept, because they are his people, but he's been sucking Marley dick too long to change anything, so Falco will take that up after he dies. At least, that's how it's starting to look. I have a feeling Eren might actually take Falco up as his protege of some sort.

>>158934268
F-fuck you.
;_;

>>158934321
I don't think he totally lost it. He understandably tired of war after losing it (the war, not his mind) and went to Paradis with whoever would come as a result. If his will was strong enough to overwhelm anyone who could fully use it (royal-blooded Eldians) then I'd say he must have had some knowledge that we still don't as readers. I don't think pacifism as an ideology could change anyone's mind like he did to every fully-functioning coordinate after him.

>>158934326
Eren and Falco's relationship could parallel Kruger and Grisha's in a way. Both Falco and Grisha have shown dissatisfaction with Marley. And while Grisha formed a rebellion, Falco is still quite young. Maybe Eren could be a mentor to him like Kruger was for Grisha. Raise the kid to rebuild Eldia after the war is over. And not fuck up like Grisha did.

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>>158934268
stop

>>158934326
I'm really curious to see what the deal with Falco, he's only 12-14 but he seems to be one of the smartest character in the show.

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>>158934388
Falco best shota.

>>158934371
What's strange is that his ideology seems to be one of inaction and isolation, even when the passed-on memories encounter the new information, such as that the Continent Eldians are attacking the walls and letting passive titans inside.

>>158934372
>>158934388
Makes me wonder about the situation at home and if Falco could harbor the guy after he gets out of the hospital. Maybe the legless hobo's just begging on the street while biding his time and Falco brings him home out of pity. Falco tells him to clean up and at the very last page of the chapter, the hobo's shaven and we get a full, clean shot of his face in the mirror, with a little bit of a grin.

>>158934440
I'm afraid that he's actually to pure for the Shingeki's world, going on the front line to save an enemy was risky move..

>>158934461
I'm kinda conflicted, because I agree, it's very strange. I'm not certain it's just information, because that wouldn't keep everyone who received it in the walls so tight-lipped and visibly affected by his will. It was said by the king himself to be a sort of contract with the Founding Titan, which would imply that Titan powers have their own agency, which itself is a whole other topic, and is interesting on its own. But at the same time, I honest to God want it to be some case of horrifying, downright terrifying information that would kill anyone's motivations entirely. Something that would change the scales from "we have to fight the world" to "we can't fight at all". In other words, turning this series into a cosmic horror.

>>158934487
It would be top tier kino.

>>158934487
omg YESSSSSS fuck

>>158934487
>Taking out his disguise
Top tier dumb

>>158934559
Kino indeed. If Eren does show some agency of his own and him being there is entirely out of his own will, then it'll be certainly interesting, the direction Isayama is willing to take his series. Setting up Falco and Reiner as the points of view for this arc and seemingly for what's to come is a genius idea. And Falco on his own has a lot of potential, I'm quite glad that the arc started entirely centered on him. The poor boy was digging trenches and got shelled to hell. Luckily he survived. I wonder if that'll be a point between them, since that's supposedly how Eren lost his leg.

>>158934556
what if the ideology wasn't the 145th king's but Ymir, after 144 incarnations it finally resurfaced

>>158934556
I like your idea a lot. That would give a whole new, horrifying meaning to Ymir Fritz's story. And I think that phrase making a contract with the Founding Titan also implies the 9 Titans have their own wills. Some anons brush the king off as a mere coward. But after seeing how strong his will was I suspect there's another reason why he did that. I believe when Eren learns to use the Coordinate, he might see the king's memories and find out. I'd like the Devil that Ymir Fritz met to be some sort of otherworldly eldritch horror and that thing is the source of the Titan powers. The Eldians are basically like parasites hooked up to that eldritch abomination.

>>158934487

I can see this happening and Zeke doing the tiger jump on sleeping Pieck just to discover it was the manlet with a wig.

>>158934642
>f Eren does show some agency of his own and him being there is entirely out of his own will

I think this is good a possibility, the chapters just before the timeskip foreshadowed thath he doesn't totally trust the SC (By not telling them his theory about Dina)

why was mikasa so retarded when attacking reiner for first time? she complains about there being armor but the obvious fucking red parts are exposed

>>158934623
Nah, I don't think it'll matter at that point. There's only one person who could easily recognize him, Reiner, two people who might be able to vaguely recall him, Zeke and Pieck, and someone who probably thinks he's seen him in the grocery store somewhere, Porko. With those four all being warriors who are likely being sent off soon anyway, I don't think it'll matter much, and besides, the jump from 15 to 19/20 isn't something to scoff at. Eren's also super fucking tall now, I wouldn't be surprised if he looks quite different in the face as well.

>>158934663
there is infact a theory of ymir being the devil

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>>158932254
I think it's going well mainly because Reiner is a pretty interesting character

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>>158934669

how mad would /snk/ be if the hobo is the 9th shifter and not eren

that still makes the possibility of him having the same kind of relationship with falco as was kruger and grisha, he could give him the 9th titan

>>158934750
To be honest I've actually been quite impressed with Reiner's character development. The way he went from this naive kid wanting to make mommy proud to this conflicted, tired war veteran who's aware of the lies he's been fed his whole life. Isayama can do character development pretty damn well. It's just he didn't do it with the main trio of EMA. I hope the timeskip changes that and Isayama applies himself the same way to Eren to develop him like Reiner.

I don't want Eren to be just the same ragetard we knew up until now. Just like how Reiner changed, I want Eren to understand both sides and feel more conflicted as well.

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>>158934663
That would seem to make a lot of sense. The being that Ymir Fritz gained the Titan power from may resurface, either as a literal present character or a reason for the old Reiss nobility's actions.

There could be retribution from such a figure for actions committed by Eldians, or it could be that a time limit was set on when this devilish figure would come to collect his due - in a very Faustian way.

Pic related creeped me the fuck out both in the manga and as the ED of the new anime.

>>158934862
Armin was the devil all along.

>>158934862
Exactly what you said. Also, your pic related just made me realize something. The phrase 'To You in 2000 Years' might not be related to Eren at all. It could be the deal the Devil made with Ymir. To let her people prosper for 2000 years and once that time's up, he would come collect his due. Take back the Titan powers and something else. That phrase I mentioned earlier could be like a reminder to the Eldians in 2000 years that their time is up and to give back what belongs to the Devil.

SPOILERS WHEN?!?!

>>158934827
Do you think armin switching sides would be a good idea for the plot? A lot of people think so and it would make armin much more interesting than he is now (a whiny bitch)

>>158934827
Eren already started to change after Uprising, as much as I hate the serumbowl and his autistic rage, I don't think it nullifies his development.
Even when he learned the truth about Marley and the fact he will die in 8 years or less he seemed more disillusioned than angry. Even in his controversial monologue at the ocean about killing the enemies he seemed more jaded than anything.

Isayama said in a interview that he wants to draw the moment where Eren will overcome an existence he needs to be at peace with himself. So I'm curious to see what's next.

>>158934642
>Eren gaining agency
That has essentially been his entire character arc when you think about it. He's gone from this violent kid who could easily pass as a sociopath and had a very black/white morality. However, after his conflicts with Reiner, Bert, and Annie (Especially Annie) as well as learning things about his world into a far more melancholic individual whose clear path has vanished and is now being used as a tool for humanity. If, in these last couple of years, he has gained some degree of agency and is acting independently, I would love to see what was the final breaking point.

Also, two related notes. The first is that I would like some closure to the Annie stuff in terms of the crystal and all that shit. The second is a question. That does Armin seem to being building up to be an antagonist? Because, the way things are going in terms of his character development, contrasting Eren's, I would not be surprised if he became a rival or foe to Eren sometime in the future due to their opposing viewpoints on humanity. I actually think that would be awesome in terms of the story though, with the relationship of the trio being permanently altered.

>>158935029
Rather than switch sides I want him to stay on the Paradis side. But be a LOT more extremist in his thinking. He already has a dark side to him. Plus he feels the pressure to live up to Erwin's legacy. Both factors combined could break him and make him a colder person overall.

Of course, I don't mean he'll turn into a moustache twirling villain. Just that he would be a lot more willing to cross that moral boundary and employ downright cruel and inhuman tactics to take down Marley. Like using the Walldians as suicide bombers. Inject them with a bit of serum then send them into Marley cities and watch them devour the Marleyans as mindless Titans before going down. That sort of suicide bomber tactic would be brutally effective yet downright inhuman. Also sounds like the sort of shit Armin would think up.

~when will the manga finish? Should I start reading now or will I get stuck with story like in the anime, just a bit further?

>>158935193
2-3years.
And yes you will get stuck

>>158935125
>Like using the Walldians as suicide bombers. Inject them with a bit of serum then send them into Marley cities and watch them devour the Marleyans as mindless Titans before going down.
I thought about this for a second after initially being amazed anyone could think that, but then I realized what the Marleyan Eldian bomber titans are made of: criminals. Armin could use the same reasons and say that since they're criminals, they shouldn't have the same rights as "good" citizens and can be made useful as weapons. He would even offer up his own titan's serum for it. I kinda want this now.

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>>158935125
I think this scene is very interesting.
Look at the focus on Armin's eyes when Flock told EM that they were unable to throw something important to them and they made an irrational decision.

>>158935076
Yeah about that Armin thing. I've been going back to the earlier arcs and reading through again. I noticed his development actually neatly parallels Eren's. Eren started out full of anger and hate, willing to do anything to kill the Titans. Armin was this meek, soft spoken boy who was stuck in a follower mentality.

Then with each passing arc, we saw hints of Armin's darker side. The first hint was in the FT arc where he cleverly manipulates Annie into sparing Jean plus bringing her to the basement entrance. In the Clash arc, there was his lie to Reiner and Bert about Annie's torture. Then in Uprising he literally shot a man dead and suggested a false flag operation on civilians to blame the MPs. All the while Eren has been slowly learning the world is not as black-and-white as he thinks it is and learning to accept that. Even if they don't become enemies, Eren and Armin are going to end up as polar opposites of each other I believe. Sort of like a softer, lighter version of Guts and Griffith.

the scene with armin being fried is going to look even worse in the anime when you actually see the whole fall

it's like... him falling that high and being burnt he should not be breathing

>>158935251
He agrees with him even though the irrational decision saved his life. Maybe its foreshadowing something like armin having to choose between his friends or something else.

>>158935251
I hope Armong becomes evil as fuck so he finally becomes interesting and to say a big FUCK YOU to his "he's puuuuree" faggots.

>>158935251
This. I feel like those words flipped Armin's switch. He was already under heavy pressure to live up to Erwin's legacy. I believe Floch's words convinced him that he needs to throw away his morals to make a 'rational decision' so to speak.

>>158935010
I like it, very Isayama to introduce a new angle like that to make things even worse for the Wall Eldians too.

>>158934972
2000d chess

>>158935010
that's pretty interesting, it would solve the problem of eldians and won't look like an asspull since it was in the very first chapter of the manga

What annoys me with Eren and Armin relationship is that they're boring because they never had conflict, I hope Eren punched Armin in the face during the timeskip

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>>158935474

He tried it but Armin plot armor is so strong that Eren´s punch went to Eren´s face.

>>158934653
Who knows. I think he was just fed up, or saw something far, far into the future that terrified him. It's really up in the air.
>>158934663
>Eldian
>Eldritch
It's all starting to make sense now. Though I think there were some intentions of Ymir I can't quite put into words, really. It's this strange inkling of mine that Ymir found something beyond comprehension because you don't just make deals with the devil out of nowhere, if it were that easy, wouldn't there be another race of devils somewhere out there? Ymir might merely have been the forerunner to a much greater issue, these two thousand years might just have been a waiting period before the devils come to take what is theirs and bring all Eldians back into hell. It's an abstract image in my head that I can't quite put to words, especially when Ymir herself is a legend, a myth, that we as readers know nothing truly of. Her origins stemming from some Lovecraftian pursuit of forbidden knowledge and power would send this series skyrocketing for me. Here's hoping Eren figures it all out in the end and makes haste to free them all from this.

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>>158935076
Yeah, I pretty much wholly agree. I think people who can't see that change and just want him to continue his violence are missing the point that Isayama was making with his character: revenge isn't sweet. There are so many points to his character in respects to his developments with Reiner and Annie that it'd be hard to put them all within a single post, but it's obvious enough to me that Eren is going to take a turn he could've never seen himself doing as a younger and more passionate person, and that kills me inside because I think we all know that feeling about letting yourself down that way. I don't know, I'm always awfully ashamed about not being able to live up to what I wanted to do when I was younger, and Isayama's words about that actually hit me hard.

>>158935125
That's right on point. Armin's always been the one manipulating other people and was always the quickest to accept that his fellow soldiers were enemies, to the point where I suspect he never trusted them in the first place. Isayama had his time to keep him pure, now it's time to send him down the path of no return.

>>158930348
>20,000 eldians
Pretty sure it was much much more than that. For the walls for example he would need at least 500K eldians, then he would need thousants of Eldians to put between Maria and the Ocean. And also there's his cattle people.

>>158935539
Yeah I feel like Isayama meant to imply something more eldritch with Ymir Fritz's story. Marley and Eldia both embellish their stories to make themselves look good. But Kruger's words about the 'source of all organic life' sounded pretty strange to me. I feel like Ymir Fritz found something, like you said, beyond human comprehension. Like an eldritch horror. And somehow got its powers. That could be where the 13 years curse comes from too. Humans just aren't meant to wield such power. That's why they expire after 13 years. The vessel just can't handle that thing's power anymore.

I don't know, I might be totally wrong but the origin of Titans story just feels Lovecraftian to me somehow. Like humans breeding with eldritch horrors to make hybrids in the Lovecraft novels. Ymir Fritz and the Devil could have done something similar.

>>158935010
If everything that counted as Eldian was a few decades away from being fangoriously devoured from outside of time and space, the walls and policy make a little sense for protecting the rest of the world from inheriting that blood.

>>158935474
If the straw that really broke the camel's back was Armin, I see their separation being either extremely violent on Eren's part or extremely disappointed in that depressive sort of way. If Armin's words get to him enough, I can see him getting into a spat with him no matter how much he loved the guy. And I can also see him leaving the scene entirely silent and moody. It's something I'm very curious to see done but it won't be seen for at least a few months to a year or even more.

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>>158935539
what did she mean by this?

>>158930453
>brought along everyone who wanted to come
[citation needed]
The history he let out says otherwise. And he isn't one to deny what he did.

>>158935661
>To the point where I suspect he never trusted them in the first place.

This. Everyone else including Eren, Mikasa, Jean, Connie and Sasha were very reluctant to believe BRA were their enemies and even after the reveal they couldn't believe it. Even Mikasa couldn't bring herself to kill Reiner and Bert in cold blood at first. On the other hand, you have Armin who not only believed that, but brought up the possibility from the start. Plus he had no problem lying about Annie's torture to fuck Reiner and Bert's up emotionally.

I think other than Mikasa and Eren, he never trusted any of his other fellow soldiers. He may consider them friends, but when push comes to shove, he was very willing to fuck them up. Something not even Mikasa was able to do at first.

>>158935539
But there is one question. Was it ever a deal with the devil? I mean what we know is just the folklore thy teach at school.
What if Isayama starts to explain the science of the whole devil thing? What if the law of conservation of mass is present here? Everytime a eldian transforms the mass is transported from someplace else and eldians are slowly destroying the world.
Just a random thought that popped up in my mind

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>9 AM
>walls of text for days
>solid arguments and character/story analysis
>beautiful discussions spanning the whole thread
>it's only halfway done
>no shitposting
I-I love you, /snk/

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>>158935622
Let's see if Eren will be a better man than his daddy
I thought Grisha learned his lesson when he said to Krueger he couldn't hate anything anymore but he told to Eren to avenge his mother. I was disappointed.

>>158935724
This. This is what I was trying to get at. Maybe the 145th king wasn't just some coward king. Maybe he knew this and was trying to protect the rest of the world from that same fate. If he hadn't walled the Eldians in, they would've mixed races with other humans. That would make a lot more races count as 'Eldian'. They'd all get dragged off by the Devil when the time comes. So the walls were always sort of meant to make sure only the current Eldians die when the time comes. No one else should suffer the same fate.

>>158930992
No. He'll get sanduiched as much as Reiner.

>>158935292
I think that this >>158935360 pretty much sums up where I think Armin is going in terms of his character. Eren's arc is one about independence, due to his unique situation and position as well as his naivety regarding humans. Armin however, right from the get go, he has had this whole "I'm not important" and a desire to gain importance, to be a good soldier and have value in the war with the Titans, despite him already knowing a lot of the dodgy shit inside the Walls.

As for a 'lighter version of Guts and Griffith', I can definitely see that. However, that's only because that relationship is so fucking dark that it's difficult to beat. But, I do think that Armin and Eren will come to blows.

I actually like the theory that the crippled veteran is Eren, but he is not there on orders or anything like that. He's actually there to determine his own path in these last few years of his life.

>>158934663
I honestly think that would be interesting, especially when you consider the thirteen years. The only sort of info we have to confirm that you die after Thirteen Years is Kruger's coughing and everyone's assumption that after Thirteen Years you die. However, knowing Isayama, that is not going to be the whole story, or at least there is going to be something more to it.

My guess is that after Thirteen Years, the Shifter's body is morphing and evolving, gaining powers beyond what anyone should have.

>>158935218
thanks

>>158935669
what if there were eldian people living on the island already

>>158935823
being a storyfag > being a characterfag

>>158935834
>but he told to Eren to avenge his mother
This isn't wrong or a bad thing, though. In fact if he hadn't said that I would've been more angry with him because it'd imply his love for Carla was a lie? Or something like that. Grisha did learn his lesson and brought up his son considerately, loved his new family and did everything he could given the new chance. I don't think there's much reason to be disappointed.

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Smartly dressed men are so special. Especially this MAN.

>>158935790
since there were many people who couldn't be mind wiped, ackerman, asian and other nobles, I do think he bought who wanted to come

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>>158935802
>I think other than Mikasa and Eren, he never trusted any of his other fellow soldiers. He may consider them friends, but when push comes to shove, he was very willing to fuck them up. Something not even Mikasa was able to do at first.
That's because, he admits this himself, people are "good" or "bad" depending on their usefulness in his eyes. And immediately after this page he uses that rhetoric against Annie and says she'd be a bad person to him if she didn't help. He's a very, very manipulative person who I can easily see using other soldiers and people like they're pieces on board.

>>158935902
everything was going good and people were discussing shit.
now you're just gonna shitpost with erwin pictures.

>>158935897
I don't think Grisha was wrong to be angry, but it's not a good thing to say to a highly impulsive 10 years , especially when he knew Eren already killed what he deemed as evil.

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>>158935773

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>>158935983
I also joined in some of the discussion earlier.

>>158935983
>replying
you can just continue talking. no need to reply to characterfags

>>158935804
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

>>158935474
What's a friendship without some friendly jabs or some banter?
That's why I like Eren-Jean more than eren-Armin.

>>158936027
please don't just spam pictures.
nobody gives a fuck

>>158935865
You know FK fucked up and left a shitload of Eldians back on land. Even if Marley took it upon themselves to wall them, I really doubt Reiner is a isolated case. There's also the eldian doctor wbo fakes blood tests.

>>158935978
Yeah. I feel like Armin has always seen his fellow soldiers more like chess pieces than actual people. I fear one day he may apply this same logic to Eren and Mikasa as well. They'd be "good friends" if they follow his orders but "bad people" if they disobey. It might work on Mikasa because she clearly treasures Armin's friendship as well. But not so much on Eren. Which is why I think he broke off and is going solo in Marley. Maybe Armin labelled Eren a "bad friend" because he didn't follow orders like a "good friend" would do. Like I said, Armin's always had a dark side. I believe him having to live up to Erwin's name only unleashed that side of him. Floch's words didn't help.

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>>158936065
I suppose I could caption some of them but I need to save my creativity for writing sessions later.

>>158935691
If that really is the case, I want to see if Isayama can make the horror as, well, horrifying as it needs to be to warrant it all. I want to see the torment. It's really hard for me to put into words the way I see the possibility of this, but it mostly boils down to what you said before: Eldians are parasites of a greater, absurd power that warrants being called devilish. The paths and coordinate itself let them access this realm where the devil originates from. I don't think devil would be an accurate term, though, since in series it's more of a slander than anything. Perhaps otherworldly being is better, but that doesn't roll off the tongue, so let's go with aliens. I honestly want the truth to be terrifying.

REGARDING CHAPTER 1

How did Eren get memories from the future before he was a shifter?

Why was he surprised about Mikasa having short hair, and why was he crying?

>>158934719
You're retarded if you think he's isn't recognizable under his hobo outfit

>>158936125
what do you write?

>>158936010
the plot twist is ymir isn't the women but instead the actual devil. Titans made a deal with the humans to become human.

Eldians are just demons in human clothing

>>158935336
In my humble opinion it made no damn sense. If you think about it, his skin roasted, his lungs were almost burnt and he also fell from a probably big distance. Unless he was recovered in some way, I would have rather have had Erwin as the new CT; i do not think the character is bad in any way, mind you, he's interesting; but what could have been more interesting is how Eren would have taken such a loss and how it would have affected him personally. It wouldn't be nearly as distorting to his subplot. Erwin could have even become more power-driven due to his unyielding fanaticism.
It's a little grudge I have for how the story developed, but I liked the rest of it, it makes things a bit deeper.

>>158935724
>>158935865
but what if, the power of being transformed into midnless is taken from all eldians, we see that lightning and that brightness even when a mindless is formed
what if it's taken

>>158935973
Pretty sure Ackerdogs didn't have a choice on that matter. Or acquired war slaves.

>>158936078
I guess he was only human after all. I do feel like he would've done better if he told them all the truth. But that would've just caused a mass panic. Hence why he kept it secret. If this theory is true and Eldians are only a few decades away from being ripped apart by devils, I feel like building the walls and isolating Eldians was a sort of final, noble gesture by the king to spare the rest of the world that fate. The only fuck up was that he didn't drag all Eldians with him by force. Leaving some of them behind increased the chances of more people inheriting Eldian blood.

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>>158936062
Yeah that's my problem Eren - Armin
I can understand why Eren is so close to Armin since he had no passion nor dream before meeting him, but some banter would be welcomed.

>>158936146
Primarily my own original stories, collaboratively with another person. My longest running story is a pseudo-medieval tale, encompassing aspects more akin to realism than fantasy, though there are fantastical aspects in there. This story is one of my passions. We're on almost 500,000 words and we're extremely attached to our characters.

Post-by-post roleplay is perhaps a better term, but we are in the process of publishing it online in typical prose format.

Also, fanfiction.

>>158935804
I see where you're coming from. I was a huge proponent that everything was just nanomachines and that Grisha's basement was full of computers and shit before it finally came to be revealed that the world was not all it seemed. But now there's this weird feeling at the back of my mind that this isn't something that can be scienced-out anymore. You don't just science away a realm beyond space and time that a single bloodline can access, or paths that transcend space and time to send blood and flesh of huge, man-eating monsters. At some point I realized that they're dealing with something beyond human comprehension. Like >>158936041 said, it could be uberscience by a progenitor race/species or whatever else. But to the readers and the people in the series, it'll be magical and terrifying.

>>158936244
are they online somewhere or are they private?

>>158935867
>My guess is that after Thirteen Years, the Shifter's body is morphing and evolving, gaining powers beyond what anyone should have.
No, they definitely die, that is how they found about the power being transferring to a random eldian child, over decades they have observed the phenomenon over and over, you just can't disregard the 13 year theory just like that

>>158936126
I feel like if Isayama really wants to convey the Lovecraftian horror atmosphere. He shouldn't show us the "Devil". Just imply that the dimension Eldians are hooked up to is where this entity lives. And maybe only give us a glimpse of the horror that's in there. I don't want this entity to be defeated either. It would feel cheesy if all the Titan shifters teamed up and fought the "Devil" together. I just want the Eldians to escape their destined fates but the entity is still out there somewhere. And maybe one day, all of this would repeat again with a different race this time.

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9th Titan leaked.

>>158936194
not the point

>>158936151
The more I think about Eldian physiology the more it makes sense. I initially was just like you but then I realized Armin didn't have to be alive. He was literally just koffing out the air in his lungs. He didn't need to have a functional brain or anything, he just needed to have his presence existing there. When you consider that Eldians have confirmed metaphysical capabilities, the reasoning I have for his "survival" wasn't that he survived in any true respect, but that it was enough to make him into a mindless titan, turn him into a shifter, wherein his brain and memories would be restored to him. The realm beyond space and time sent Armin's mind back to him, if you will.

I want the Lovecraptian nerds to leave the story alone.

>>158936268
We write in private, first chapter published online.

Same applies with my fanfiction, though that isn't collaborative.

>>158936313
Name "Zyklon B"

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>>158936284
>I just want the Eldians to escape their destined fates but the entity is still out there somewhere. And maybe one day, all of this would repeat again with a different race this time.

This page now makes a lot of sense.

This is actually a good thread, , it's crazy how much better that general is when characterfags and shipperfags are absent.

>>158936326
Seems cheap as fuck.

>>158936283
Yeah I think it's just like some anon said above. The power is just not something a human was designed to wield. Hence their body just breaks down after some time and they die. But I don't think this 13 years curse is science related. If so, they should've found some drug to counteract its effects. I think it's like the prevailing Lovecraftian theory in this thread. A power humans were never meant to have hence why humans die after a time if they get that power.

>>158936376
It's the sun.

>>158936376

We know Grisha was checking Mikasa, but did he check Armin too? he should be surprised to see his son had friends with those names.

>>158936284
Quite on point, there. I'd rather see the results of the devil rather than the being itself. I want Eren to be on the mainland when the clock ticks to zero and everything goes to hell, for him to frantically return to Paradis before realizing everything before him has become madness and he has to tear his way through actual demons of all kinds to try and find if his friends are still alive in any respect. Something would have happened like, the wall titans awoke and started ruining everything, or Eldians would start becoming titans at random. Or, if he really wants to make the series take a weird turn, have every living organism on the island start being infected with whatever makes Eldians tick. Ymir was said to have found the origin of all organic matter, after all. There's a lot of possibilities with a demonic realm gone wild on Paradis. I don't know, I just really want to see things go crazy, so crazy that Eren doesn't seem so crazy by comparison.

>>158935691
>>158935539
>>158935804
It certainly seems that the science of Titanization is nigh on magical. In the primitive age of Ymir Fritz, it probably appeared explicitly otherwordly and magical/horrifying. Her founding of the titan power has been mythologized, but it's a very interesting idea that titans existed before Ymir Fritz, perhaps in very small numbers.

Maybe this 'devil' was a shifter titan. From the surviving images of it it looks larger than human, and its form isn't out of the question for a shifter - the monkey titan is pretty fucking weird for example, it doesn't look human at all.

Shifters could have needed to reproduce somehow, and so found a way to strike a deal with Ymir Fritz.

Or something.

>>158936326
so you stay alive for a short amount of time even after you have died?
nah

>>158936139
>before he was a shifter?
All eldians are connected through paths, if a random eldian can receive titan powers then so can he receive memories
>Why was he surprised about Mikasa having short hair, and why was he crying?
In his memory he saw a girl who he thought was mikasa and had short hair but saw actual present mikasa with long hair so he was surprised, he was probably crying because his subconscious brain witnessed something sad

>>158935867
I completely agree that the Thirteen years isn't simply an expiration date.

Mikasa is right, it can't be true. It must be a Marleyan implementation, either to stop the shifter power developing, or simply to keep Eldian-Marley shifters in check.

Either that, or the inhereted memories thing is something that contributes to mental change. It may be the case that memories and impressions start taking over the shifter at a certain point.

>>158936376
This theme of cycles and the realization that the supernatural parts of the series go far beyond time and space have me thinking that the story will reach a point where we realize Eren's been trying to end the cycle forever, but he can never manage to.

>>158936361
>"Cyclone Titan"
>Has the ability to expel steam similar to CT but in addition it is highly toxic and can be "guided" as if through telekinesis
>Cyclone Titan's legs below the knee are permanently armored in titan stone for super effective curbstomps

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>>158936284

I just feel like the Devil is just...the earth itself. Titans are weighless, the heat when they dissappear, the regeneration...there must be something under the earth that make the humans grow like flowers or something.
Same with titans being weak with the darkness, it´s like they are plants or something.

Perhaps the devil was just some kind of scientist that found the method to create organic material

>>158936342
wanna maybe post those few online chapters?

>>158936570
You're dumb if you think Marley has this much control or the titan shifters everywhere. The 13 years are not made up.

>>158936326
So, is there a possibility that they could inject spinal fluid into a dying or just dead Eldian without losing any chance of him becoming a mindless titan. That would make sense. In any case, I still feel that Isayama lost a good chance for Eren's development. I am not the writer here though, Isayama's the "Leviathan" of the plot and I trust his decisions after all.

>>158936404
>tfw after whining for two days about shiptards things finally changed.

>>158936570
The Reiss follow the 13 years, so it can't be Marley propaganda.

>>158936645
They keep them under thumb with propaganda, brainwashing and oppression. It's entirely possible that it's all a sham.

>>158936708
>entirely possible
Nope. Shifters obviously would know. Eat it up.

>>158936581
It's something that'll have to be explained or kept a mystery entirely, I don't want Isayama to half ass it even though I know it'll eventually be revealed. I pretty much have no issues with anything in the manga, especially the "big reveals" to all the mysteries, or whatever you might call them. I love this damn manga to bits, it's consistent, has good characterization, seeing the manga's art improve does my heart good especially after the success of the anime. Back on topic, though, I imagine the "origin of all organic material" is just meant to be a vague stand-in for some sort of control over carbon and lifeforms based off of carbon, which is all of them.