Seikaisuru Kado

Tsukai did everything right. She is the only thing preventing manking from getting tanged.

Holy shit the fujos have a stranglehold on this show.

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All I want from the last episode is for zaShunina to get a hug.
I don't care what else happens, he is in desperate need of a hug, and as long as that one thing happens at some point, I will be satisfied.

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Why does Shindo get to have ALL the waifus?

>>158920025
You mean maximum shoehorned waifubait thread

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>best waifu thread
>posts worst
OP cannot follow his own rules

>>158921739
Best boy from worst show

>>158920973
>implying this tanging is a bad thing
Just let zaShunina iron out the kinks, make it voluntary, and it's pretty much free entrance to Heaven.

>>158921687
>muh fujos
zaShunina has always been the most popular character of the show and he's almost certainly the author's favorite as well. It can't be helped if even the staff think he's the purest waifu.

>>158925694
Copying myself:
Guess what, transforming isn't a person by person process, not even an Earth limited process, but a universal one. The point of the wam was to break conservation of energy and the nanomis hein was to make changes in the fundamental operating laws of the universe. When zaShunina explains things to Shindo, he doesn't say that the process would add 37D to people, but to the universe.

If he wanted literally just one person, he could have sat someone down with the wam, Sansa'd them, given them the nanomis hein, and then Kado'd them and their clones over and over again. That this wasn't his plan at the start, that he needs to make changes across all of humanity, that he didn't just do this with the Shindo clones, suggests that he can't pick and choose.

>>158926706
Well, he wants to uplift and preserve as much of humanity as he can. One person is better than nothing, but he'd most likely uplift the whole Earth if it were possible..

>>158921739
I preordered the figure so I can take care of it. Can't believe I'm giving money to something that shat the bed so hard, but there you go.

>final
Wait, that's it? I thought it's 2 cour.

>>158927696
And that means tanging everybody, including the unwilling. No thanks, I won't be party to mass murder nor am I willing to be a victim of it. Tsukai did everything right.

Second of all, you have no idea what being a 40D being entails except for some kind of immortality for humanity. You have no idea whether it will be pleasant or even neutral, though there is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise e.g. Shindo almost died pretty painfully when zaShunina tried to merely communicate with him via information transfer. You're just projecting your good feelings regarding zaShunina on what you want the experience of the anisotropic to be.

>>158927990
The first communication happened between two individuals occupying two very different realities; a god touching an ordinary man. We know that zaShunina can painlessly convert humans to infuse them with the anisotropic and allow them to interact with it. There's no reason to assume it'd be some eternal torment, especially considering the anisotropics don't feel pain.

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>>158928202
I dunno the doesn't look painless to me. He is also forcefully expanding non-real space into normal space and people who get exposed to the Sansa thing may suffer from unexpected side effects and all they get is a boilerplate disclaimer (no medical consent). Then you have a reality controller which will quickly leave the normal universe a hellscape of time/gravity/breakdown of every law of physics. So right now everyone is going to turn into tang. Some probably won't survive the process if no one does the reality's most important negotiation.

>>158928202
I can buy that it might not be painful, but that is still a far cry from saying it will be a good thing. And it still doesn't change that getting there entails billions of people, if not tens of billions or hundreds of billions or even trillions and beyond once you get around to the clones, dying.

>>158928348
Strictly speaking, it's not a tang process. The anisotropics have fully defined personalities and individuality, as do the enhanced humans. The uplifted humanity wouldn't be an Overmind-style hivemind.
The consent is an issue, which is why the best option for everybody would be to make the ascension voluntary.

>>158928379
The non-activated clones aren't even sentient, so they don't count as people. They're more like calibration tools.

>>158928560
>as do the enhanced humans
You have no proof of this.
>voluntary
There's no way it's a process that allows for individuals to consent, since the whole universe is getting Kado'd and up-dimensioned. See >>158926706
>non-activated clones
I mean the clones that zaShunina presumably expects to make of everybody, since he says to Tsukai that he can always make more until he succeeds. And these clones must be sentient, because otherwise they would lack the information that zaShunina wants in the first place. And he's planning on making them all die until he succeeds.

>>158928698
>You have no proof of this.
Shindo and everybody who got Sansa'd are already part anisotropic and it hasn't changed their personality in any way. Moreover, it makes no sense to assume that crossing an individualistic species with another individualistic species would suddenly produce a hivemind.
>clones
It's quite possible that the ascension process can be improved once the right parameters are found. You could use non-sentient clones to nail down the exact parameters and then convert the original. As the early Kado processing showed, even high-level conversion can be made safe with some fine-tuning.

>>158929267
>Sansa'd
Consider that, when he was Sansa'd, one of Gonno's extradimensional extensions smirked at him. Given the visual direction of this show, I would not just put that aside as a throwaway scene. Rather, it suggests to me that the extradimensional extensions of a person are not exactly what we understand to be the 'self' of that person in their universe. Therefore, you have no idea if the 'self' a person is in their universe, let alone the experience of the self, would be preserved in the anisotropic. After all, in their universe as it is, a person simply uses their extensions to do whatever process happens when they sleep; they aren't yet mashed together in an extradimensional space.
>fine-tuning
Nice baseless assumptions you have there, especially when zaShunina is already Kado'ing everything. And consider that even zaShunina himself made the distinction between "processing", as he did with the plane passengers, and "transforming". The former cannot be used as a reliable reference for the safety of the latter.

>Febri's staff talk mentioned that Saraka and Shindo are both manipulative and underhanded people
Interesting. So they are aware of it.

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AOTY
GOTY

>your husbando made magic hero armor so he could fight with you

Shindo-kun just needs a cape
mahou shoujos love knights in capes

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>>158930880
Shindo has the suit. More than capes, it's the suit mahou shoujos love. A suit is a modern knight's armor.

>>158930560
Job conditionning. They're both negociators after all.

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>>158920025
>best waifu
Anon please, get these eyes checked.

>>158930560
So are manipulaing each other or what? Because that would be hilarious.

>>158930560
If they both turn out to be horribly manipulative, shitty people at the end I'll be content. It will explain Saraka's wild kyaaaah and incredibly childish reactions too.

Also, Shindo's harem is dragging down the show. It's just not the kind of show that should give a main character, especially one like Shindo, a harem.

>>158920025
the alien and the super beta kouhai are the only worthwhile characters in this shitfest. the cube is also cool

jury's still out on the science autist

>>158931398
I'd like it. I can see Shindou lie to Tsukai about what he's going to do so he can get away with whetever he planned. And Tsukai might have promised not to intervene but she would probably break that vow anytime if she deemed Shindo to be in too much danger.
It's a bit weird Tsukai accepted to help him with his plan even though she disagrees with it.

>>158931449
>handsome guy with a top tier job and good communication skills is not the kind of character who should get a harem
Pay more attention to real life anon. Shindo is exactly the kind of guy who would get bitches left and right to fall for him.

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>>158931475
All of this, except science is cool.

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There were actually two books in ep11. Romeo & Juliet, which got a close up, and the second book titled Laboratory by Takeo Arishima.
>Doctor Mitani loses his wife to what her doctors say was acute pneumonia. Mitani is convinced their diagnosis was wrong and they gave her wrong treatment, so he decides to personally perform an autopsy on his wife to confirm his suspicion and find closure. Their families are disgusted and horrified, but he still wants to now the truth.
>He cuts up his wife and finds out he was right: she died of miliary tuberculosis. But being right brings him no relief; looking at the damage the illness wrought on her body just adds to his grief and horror. The novel ends with him breaking down in tears over her tissue sample.
Alien depression is one hell of a drug.

>>158931605
>bitches
This isn't your seasonal harem anime. They're adults and career people, not teenagers and teenage-looking supernatural beings. And he has not only attracted humans, but both of the billion years old alien gods in this show.

>>158921687
At least I'll remember this show for the colossal amount of butthurt and all the over the top passive aggressive posts towards Tsukai

>>158931762
no, as a matter of fact, this IS one of your seasonal harem anime

it was just hiding

>>158931656
Thank you anon, I was waiting for someone to tell us about this one.

>>158931762
I was just using bitches as a catch all term for both aforementionned billion years old alien gods as well as the humans.
>this isn't your seasonal harem anime
No shit, not like I ever watch them.

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>>158920025
FACT: Hanamori is best waifu

>>158931804
>over the top
Frankly I think she deserves worst, like entire threads dedicated to hating her. If anything you're lucky we even allow you people to start a thread with her.

>>158931762
The alien gods are actually very easy to explain.
>zaShunina
Shindo was the only person who truly wanted to engage him; everybody else was either scared of him, wanted things from him, or wanted to dissect him. Shindo also pretty much tamed zaShunina, imprinting himself onto what was previously an emotionally blank slate.
>Tsukai
She loves people and Shindo is someone who can appreciate both her alien side and her human side. This is new for her.

>>158931656
Are books really a good way for an alien to become familiar with the human mind?

Does /a/ read? What would you recommend to zaShunina?

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>>158921739
This

>>158931917
See? Exactly the kind of anally devastated post I meant

>>158932281
No shit, why do you think I answered to your post in the first place?

>>158932010
Yes. Emotions are preprogrammed for us, so we don't need to learn them, but for someone without this brain circuitry, they carry no real meaning. If you told early zaShunina that you were sad, he'd know the dictionary definition, but on a personal level it'd make as much sense to him as hearing that number 5 tastes like wood. Books describe and analyze emotional processes, making them more intellectually understandable.

>>158931605
I'd rather have Shindo pretend to have fallen for her because my mind refuses to accept that abrupt development. It's just too weird. It would also cement his status as master asshole, which is kind of funny.

>>158932581
I would like that, I really would. Too bad I can't see it happen.

>>158932581
Considering he happily rejects all her concerns about muh humanity and goes to "grant zaShunina's wishes" instead (in her words), I don't think love is the word anyone would use here. When it comes down to it, emotionally he's rather shallow and careless.

https://www.change.org/p/toei-animation-redo-seikaisuru-kado-kado-the-right-answer
Saw it posted in one of these threads and holy shit I can't stop laughing.
I know I'm assblasted things went to shit, but going this far is a whole new level of autism.

>>158930560
I wish they'd make it more obvious in the show itself.

>>158930560
>Shindo quips that zaShunina is being selfish in ep4
>is called out for selfishness by multiple people who know him best
Pottery.

>>158933123
Some people aren't ever happy unless the world conforms to their particular breed of insanity.

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>>158931804

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>I just made a huge mistake
Poor Hakase should've asked about his goals first.

>>158932770
Not sure love has anything to do here, after all he's doing what he can to make this work, and he's certain this is the best way. Tsukai's concerns are irrelevant. But obviously he can't say that so instead he kissed her to calm her down.
But really for me the very fact that he wants to grant zaShunina's wish at all, is proof he's not as shallow as he appears. Sure, that's the way his personal philosophy as a negociator works, but his fascination and affection for zaShunina are most likely genuine. The fact that he's concentrating his efforts on granting zaShunina's wish instead of trying to lock him up in a stellated dodecahedron supports this.

>>158933204
Change.org has butthurt petitions about everything, including videogames coming out on particular platforms. The Bloodborne petition for example was legendary.

>>158932581
I would have praised Kojiro as the McOTY if he actually faked his affection with Saraka and proceed to face zaShunina with preparation, just to get the middle ground between both of their opinions.
But we all know that not even wam and sansa would be remained at the end, which is disappointing

>>158933340
That's true and the fact that he's willing to risk it despite Tsukai doing her best to demonize zaShunina is rather telling. IIRC his Animage profile described him as "easily adaptable and unpredictable", so normally, he just finds it easy to let go of things and presumably people.

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>>158933204
>fujos stop being mad at animated women after the earth is swallowed by the sun
Okay I laughed

Though really, the dislike some fujos have for some female characters isn't any different from the hate yurishitters have for characters like pic related.

>>158933458
Or the waifufag rage when their waifu isn't winning the MCbowl.

>>158931605
>It's a bit weird Tsukai accepted to help him with his plan even though she disagrees with it.
It's not like he asked for permission. He'd do it anyway, regardless of whether she agreed or not.

>>158935158
You could have let the thread die. I would have started another one with zaShunina in the OP.

But to answer your question, sure he didn't ask for permission, but she didn't have to help him either. She could have left him to rot on the surface where he's safe while she goes for the kill and he would never have been able to land on the white cube, much less meet zaShunina.

>>158935246
Shindo would have found a way to attract zaShunina's attention either way. Better to go with him and hopefully interrupt whatever compromise you don't like than staying away and losing that chance.

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>the multiple anally pained, mind contorting posts ITT that still try to make it that zaShunina is the one Shindo REALLY loves
>"the k-kiss meant nothing it was just him manipulating her!"
>"T-Tsukai was just using it to manipulate Shindo, what a b-bitch, that's what it was you'll s-see!"

>>158935964
Doesn't change the fact this series would be back to being a 9/10 if these were true.

>>158935964
Does anyone even argue about that, I think most people are just disappointed with that useless subplot.

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>>158936025
>fujos are so unwilling to accept that the Shindong won't be doing any zaShuanal that they literally want a humanity genocide end

>>158935964
I didn't notice people say he really loves Zashunina? If he has such personality then chances are low that he loves anyone at all.

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>>158936074
>yanhomo fujobait is 10/10 best love story ever told
>but the actual love story that saves the world is just a useless subplot

>>158936097
Don't bother with him, he's not trying to make sense. He's just distorting reality so it'll fit his fantasy of fujos massaging their butts with tears in their eyes.

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>gropes his chest
>cross-dimensional handholding
Jesus how thirsty is this anisotripic woman?

>>158936204
>>158936087
>konosuba avatarfagging
Oh, okay, now I understand your shit taste.

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>>158936204
This is the one and only truth though. Your waifu a shit, Kado would be AOTS material if it weren't for her.

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>>158936364
>the reaction images determine the quality of the argument
Oh that's so cute.

>>158936378
It would probably be AOTS regardless if the show would have remained 2cour and had enough time to flesh her out and develop her and Shindo's relationship more naturally and at a slower pace.
It felt rushed because it was rushed. The whole show was rushed to cut it down to half its original length.

one of the most disappointing series I've ever seen

>>158936504
I agree, Tsukai end would probably have come as less of an asspull with two cours. And Tsukai herself would probably have been fleshed out and become more of an appealing character rather than just empty waifubait. But here's the thing: it didn't happen. We can only judge the series as it is.

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Apparently Japs aren't mamals

Let's say a dude wanted to kill literally everybody to gain immortality for himself and perhaps a few others. This would obviously be insane and evil. So why is it that when the motivation and acts are displaced to another person, it suddenly becomes reasonable and good?

>>158936663
But nina is already inmortal and want to preserve humanity, even if is just a few we as a species would not disappear

>>158936663
It's the intentions behind the act that matter, not the act itself.
Say this guy you're talking about wants to kill everyone and become immortal because he's sick and he's going to die soon but he has a baby daughter who would become an orphan if he did. And he desperately wants to raise her and be there for her as she grows up. Don't you feel like the guy is a lot less evil all of a sudden?

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Is Hanamori the purest boy ever created?

>>158936663
Because:
a) he isn't trying to gain immortality for himself. He actually went against the grain and exposed himself to danger in order to improve the situation for both humanity and the anisotropic (as he saw it).
b) zaShunina has never had human morals and nobody should expect him to understand and obey them. Even Tsukai admitted he isn't malicious and more like a force of nature.

Words like good and evil simply don't apply here. One can agree or disagree depending on his priorities, but it's not a moral question.

>>158936735
And that would also be there case in the first situation, where the dude who is to become immortal kills everyone; the "species" survives. Everyone still recognizes that this is evil and insane. In the second situation, someone else acts to make another person immortal, but the motivation is still immortality and the act is still killing everybody, so you should also view this as evil and insane.
>>158936793
No, what the fuck, are you kidding me?

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>>158936861
He's tough competition for zaShunina when it comes to the title, that's for sure.

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>>158936861
>wish for his happiness
>episode 11 happens

Why.

>>158936861
>eyes all red and puffy
Say what you will about the writing, the subtle animations are fantastic. You don't even need anyone to tell you he's already been crying for a long time, we can see it in his face.

>>158936933
>no, what the fuck, are you kidding me?
No, I'm not, but you're free to disagree. No need to get so triggered.

>In the second situation, someone else acts to make another person immortal, but the motivation is still immortality and the act is still killing everybody, so you should also view this as evil and insane
Nobody cares about whether zaShunina is doing a good or a bad thing. Most people here just want him to get a happy ending.

>people hate Tsukai for her "childishness" when she is totally competent in professional settings and is only ever flustered in informal ones or when alone with Shindo
>they call the constantly bumbling Hanamori best boy
What did they mean by this?

>>158936933
He sees what he's doing as a good thing, since it would preserve humanity as a whole. Obviously, he's going about it wrong and does need to be stopped. Is he evil? No. Is he confused and misguided? Yes.

>>158937073
>only ever flustered in informal ones or when alone with Shindo
Shindo is a coworker though? There was nothing informal about her spending time with him in the context of work in the car. All I could feel while watching her in that scene was embarassement for female kind.

>>158937073
Fujos hate women because they can never be them

>>158937059
>Nobody cares about whether [someone who is willing to kill everybody to grant immortality to a few, maybe] is doing a good or bad thing. Most people here just want [someone who is willing to kill everybody] to get a happy ending.
The desire for homolust warps some of you people.

>>158937165
Because he's good at getting underneath her skin. It happens. You think that everyone has to be 100% stoic and professional all the time for you to respect them, at least if they're a woman?

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>>158937193
>fujos hate women because they can never be them
So, basically you think I hate all women who have a bigger chest than me or something?
I see those years of watching harem anime did wonders on your understanding of the female psyche.

>>158937073
I get not liking Tsukai for her childishness, but Hanamorifags are hypocritical as fuck.

>>158937195
>caring about humanity in 2D
I care about characters, not abstractions.

>>158936907
>>158937130
We can put aside the question of whether intentions or acts are evil, this hardly changes that the act itself is something that, in any other situation, would be seen as incredibly bad and something to oppose. At least >>158937130 is that far.

>>158937073
Because there is an oversaturation of childish, tsundere female characters in media, but it's a novelty when a male character is portrayed in a similar way?
Plus I think it comes back down to the fact that Hanamori has known Shindo for a long time and is his best friend. He knows Shindo better than anyone else, and is completely devoted to him.
Tsukai, on the other hand, has known Shindo a grand total of three months, and they barely know each other.

>>158937073
This >>158937461
Hanamori is a breath of fresh air. Tsukai smells like that damp room without windows that remained closed for 10 years.

>>158937283
Whoa, I never even said anything about chest, you're sounding pretty defensive about that

>>158937554
B-baka! I only mentionned chests because that sounded like something you would say. I-it's not like I want a bigger chest or anything

>>158937073
I'd like Hanamori even if he was a girl. "Bumbling" is much cuter than "tsundere." Being a little airheaded is better than being obnoxious.

>>158937461
He was assigned to the same section as Shindo for six months. The ones Shindo has known for a long time are Natsume and Asano. Hanamori is bumbling toward everyone.
Tsukai has known Shindo for less time, it's true, but she also bared herself to him in that time because of the situation and the closeness with which they needed to work.
Sounds like you people just want double standards.

>>158937419
From zaShunina is doing is pretty much the same thing God is supposedly planning to do according to the Book of Revelation, and unlike Yahweh, he's not omnipotent, so the negative aspects are just side effects and not his actual intention. Nevertheless, billions of people worship that God and consider him the source of morality and everything that is good.

Morality gets incredibly twisted once concepts like eternity start getting involved.

>>158937663
*What zaShunina is doing

>>158937633
>The ones Shindo has known for a long time are Natsume and Asano.
And yet Shindo says outright that Hanamori knows him better than anyone else, and that he chose him over Natsume and Asano for the task because of it. He is absolutely his best friend.

>>158937461
I wasn't particularly fond of him in the beginning desu but there's also probably the fact that he's got the role of the ditzy bff who always gets the short end of the stick and not a lot of screentime, while she's the heroine who gets more screentime, praise and is specifically made to be appealing. I defended her a lot, even after the reveal, but it feels like they're trying to make you like her too much. I mean, look at the way they're both shown crying in the latest episode.

Well, people are free to like and criticise whoever they want anyway.

>>158937698
And Shindo is also known to be manipulative and a liar if it serves him. He chose Hanamori because Asano and most likely Natsume would have said no if they disagreed.

>>158937788
Please don't make me dislike Shindo, I'm trying hard not to.

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>Zashunina wants more info which is a basic instinct
>Saraka is all hippie about leaving humans alone
>They gave her admin rights anyways
How is this a good idea, its like giving a butcher's job to a vegan

So can everyone agree that Shindo fits the psychological profile of a psychopath?

>>158937698
Fair. Doesn't change the other things.
>>158937788
>a liar
When has he lied even once? Do your mental contortions even harder.

>>158937872
>Boldness. Low fear including stress-tolerance, toleration of unfamiliarity and danger, and high self-confidence and social assertiveness. The PCL-R measures this relatively poorly and mainly through Facet 1 of Factor 1. Similar to PPI Fearless dominance. May correspond to differences in the amygdala and other neurological systems associated with fear.[1][2] Psychopaths tend to have reduced fear.[12]
>Disinhibition. Poor impulse control including problems with planning and foresight, lacking affect and urge control, demand for immediate gratification, and poor behavioral restraints. Similar to PCL-R Factor 2 and PPI Impulsive antisociality. May correspond to impairments in frontal lobe systems that are involved in such control.[1][2]
>Meanness. Lacking empathy and close attachments with others, disdain of close attachments, use of cruelty to gain empowerment, exploitative tendencies, defiance of authority, and destructive excitement seeking. The PCL-R in general is related to this but in particular some elements in Factor 1. Similar to PPI Coldheartedness but also includes elements of subscales in Impulsive antisociality.[1][2]
Huh.

>>158937663
Except God promises that each person will be judged and has a chance at salvation, while zaShunina is just going off extremely low probabilities that some people will ascend, maybe. There's a built-in mechanism of fairness and promise for everybody so long as they fit certain criteria, which is why people worship God, that is not the case with zaShunina.

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>fujos are so buttblasted that they need to portray Shindo and Tsukai as cold-hearted, cruel people when everything on-screen has shown them to be anything but

>>158937837
Remember the whole "Hanamori, I trust you so much" spiel when he needed to offload the job position he didn't want? Sudden declarations of trust is how he forces Hanamori into doing things for him. He's not mean about it and it could be argued that he always does it for the greater good, but it's a rather underhanded tactic.

>>158938179
>he didn't want
It's because Shindo wasn't placed for it, not that he didn't want it. He was already negotiating for the anisotropic side. Hanamori was also inside Kado and was perfectly placed to do the job. Shindo does, in fact, trust him.

>>158938136
I agree that the show didn't portray them this way, it's happening because of this post >>158930560

>>158933227
is she going to betray us?
Maybe she is going with zaShunina back to the anisotropic. Besides Shindo, she's the one that has the most sense of it, maybe she will be compatible.

>>158937973
I wouldn't add disinhibition though.

>>158938136
Nobody says Tsukai is cold-hearted or cruel; that would be retarded. As for Shindo, even the characters in the show call him selfish.

>>158938335
Mifune did call her "pure potential". The question is whether zaShunina would be willing to settle for her.

>>158938337
Probably not, but the other factors are eerily accurate.

>>158938341
He's "selfish" because, while he understands people's concern for him, he's willing to push ahead anyway. That's literally all it means.

>>158938421
>The question is whether zaShunina would be willing to settle for her.
He is fond of her, at least.

>>158938136
>being manipulative means being evil
Just because it's a stock caracteristic of many a villain doesn't mean it is. At the end of the day all Shindo with his manipulative ways was get a meeting with an important guy, give an important job position to his junior, and make said junior do something for him. Frankly, I'd say there are more wicked ways to use manipulation.

>>158938434
>being bold is a bad thing
>thinking Shindo lacks empathy or disdains close attachments when the first thing he does on his day off from saving the world is visit his mum
>thinking he's cruel when this is literally not the case
>thinking he exploits anyone when all he does is ask them to do a favor, not for his personal empowerment, but for a good cause in a necessary situation

Some of you fujos are willing to drag anyone into the dirt, aren't you?

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>>158936861

>>158938021
>And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel.

>And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
It doesn't matter how virtuous you are, because God intends to only save 144k Jews. He only cares about his arbitrary quota.

>>158938772
What's God's problem? Why is he always such an ass?

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>those handful of waifufags circlejerking
>that one guy with essay long posts using his headcanon to defend his waifu as and the writing
>shitty falseflagging and bait

Where did things go wrong?
>inb4 I'm a fujo

>>158938732
Fitting the psychological profile of a psychopath doesn't automatically make you a bad person.

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>>158938826
Because he can.

>>158938836
>those handful of fujos circlejerking
>that one guy with essay long posts using his headcanon to defend his husbando and the writing
>shitty falseflagging and bait

>>158938421
More promised (abstract)male-female romance, so probably.

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Remember when these threads were good and we all thought there was going to be a homo end?

>>158938732
>>158938849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JVVhKP9XP4

>>158938849
Especially since this psychological profile can make one extremely good at his job if he's a decent person overall. There are at least two leading neuroscientists who found out they were clinical psychopaths from their own brain scans. They're both working on making the society better.

>>158939008
No, only delusional fujos thought there was going to be a homo end.

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>>158939052
That's when the threads were at their peak.

>>158938826
Monotheism was a mistake. Trying to explain all the natural phenomena with a single god inevitably makes that god look like a schizophrenic asshole.

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>>158939008
Those thread were annoying too. Best threads were those discussing the impact of zaShunina's gifts and writings that might have been an inspiration for the show. and they're not holding hands

>>158939125
I think you mean the threads were at their peak when everybody was arguing over the feasibility of a post-scarcity humanity because of the WAMs.

>>158938732
>thinking he's cruel when this is literally not the case
If you didn't think he was being cruel to Hanamori in the latest episode then there is something wrong with you.
>shindo-san why would you ask me this
>you're going to die even if I do it, please d-
>okay but will you do the thing
>but
>you're the one who knows me best, i trust you the most
Frankly I can't blame him for running away in tears.

>>158939165
Who's hand is he holding?

>>158939227
Tsukai's

>>158939227
Oh boy, the shitstorm of "who's hand is that" was a sight to behold.

>>158939227
Clone's

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What a nice ass.

>>158939211
I don't think it is. Shindo has to do what's right even if Hanamori doesn't want him to. Hanamori runs away crying because he's a good dude who cares for his friends, but ultimately he'll do what's needed because he's a good dude even if it hurts.

>>158939227
Mine

>>158939468
What did Shindo tell him to do anyway?

>>158939561
We don't know yet.

>metric fuckton of death flags for both Shindo and zaShunina this episode
>Romeo and Juliet
It's going to end with double suicide, isn't it?

>>158939468
I'm not saying it didn't have to be done, I'm just saying he could have been a little warmer about it. Like give him a hug, squeeze his shoulder or something. Not disregard his feelings like he did.

>>158939700
Shindo tells Hanamori he wants Hanamori to do it because Shindo can trust him more than anyone else, bows his head, and asks Hanamori with respect. That's hardly cruel.

>>158939165
>It's magic, I ain't gonna explain shit.webm

>>158939008
It can still be a homo end if Shindo fucks off with zaShunina into that sealing thing. It's plausible considering all the death flags and Salaka's scream in the preview.

>>158939957
>shindo tells Hanamori he wants Hanamori to do it because Shindo can trust him more than anyone else, bows his head, and asks Hanamori with respect
It's emotional manipulation. It is cruel. Hanamori is on the losing side of the relationship here, he loves Shindo more than Shindo loves him. He can't refuse.

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>>158939227

>>158940268
>asking a friend to do something that is right and necessary, something that only that friend can do, when you're also prepared to make an even greater sacrifice, is emotional manipulation
Hanamori can't refuse because there's it's necessary. That would be the case even if Shindo didn't treat Hanamori with the respect deserving of a friend, so actually being human towards Hanamori shouldn't be something against Shindo.

>>158939468
It is cruel and manipulative. It just has to be done for a good purpose.

There is nothing wrong for a character like Shindo to be cruel and manipulative, especially when he absolutely wants to get something done. He's a top negotiator working for the government. I would think there was a problem with writing if he was solving his issues with the power of love, friendship and coddling. He understands power dynamics of the society he is part of, and is good at figuring out a person's weaknesses and wants, which is probably what makes him so good at his job in the first place.

>>158940489
Like I said, it's not asking in and of itself, it's taking advantage of his feelings and his need for Shindo's aknowledgement, and using them as leverage to get him to accept.

It's just a subtler version of "hey mom, i love you very very much" "thank you son" "can you buy this game for me?". Though in both cases, the "if you don't do it for me I won't love you anymore" is left unsaid, it's still very much there.

>>158940943
Hanamori is going to accept his last request anyway regardless of his feelings on the matter because it looks like something extremely important, but I think what you said applies mostly to what we've seen before episode 11. It's obvious that Shindou asks him to do stuff because he knows he can handle it, but he the way his requests are framed in the show doesn't show him in a particularly kind and caring light.

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>>158939008
Those were nice times. Though I had never dreamt they'd be so in your face about zaShunina's feelings. I thought we'd just get an open end with homo subtext. I didn't see the Tsukai bombshell coming though.

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>>158941120
Obviously.

>>158941117
>Hanamori is going to accept his last request anyway regardless of his feelings on the matter because it looks like something extremely important
I never said he wouldn't.
> I think what you said applies mostly to what we've seen before episode 11
No, it applies to every request Shindo has for Hanamori.
>the way his requests are framed in the show doesn't show him in a particularly kind and caring light
That's because he's not, that's my point. Do you remember when Hanamori got out of Kado? He was essentially in a panic, terrified to have been left alone and relieved to be out at the same time. Shindo patted his head and told him to get ready because work starts in one hour. Sure it was for the sake of comdey, but it still sums up their relationship pretty nicely. Pet your head and then bring the stick.

>>158939677
There's also >>158931656. zaShunina is clearly not expecting it to end well, but then again, Shindo said the key lies in doing something he wouldn't expect.

>>158941120
Look at this extra gay fashion sense. Sandals with a full body suit.

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>>158936504
>The whole show was rushed to cut it down to half its original length.

why does everyone say this to excuse bad execution?
Most shows since 2 years ago, even season 1 shonen adaptions, have adopted the new 12 to 13 episode standard. Since the beginning of the writing of this show, this was going to be 12 episodes (I assume). With that in mind the creator should find a way to put all those ideas within the time-span.
If you people keep saying "it would have been better if it was two cour" for a show that was never planned to last that long, then we would have gotten a lot of episodes that barely move the plot.

>>158941407
That's not the person you think you're talking to. That person is more or less agreeing with you.
>>158940638
Recalibrate your use of the word "cruel" if it includes someone pushing a friend's buttons to do the right thing when the friend is reluctant alongside something like, I dunno, drowning kittens.
>>158940943
This is bullshit. You're essentially saying that any time a good relationship exists between two people, one person making a request to the other is emotional manipulation. Shindo isn't lying when he says that he asks Hanamori to do this because Shindo trusts him the most. That's the underlying thing here, not "cruel" manipulation. Shindo has to ask Hanamori.

>>158940638
The show does a good job separating things we normally conflate into one. zaShunina's race believes in sharing the excess, but their understanding of sharing does not involve empathy we generally expect. Shindo firmly believes in doing the best for as many parties as possible, but his mindset doesn't stem from sentimental idealism and loving personality. It's an interesting perspective.

>>158941691
It was originally written as a two-cour show.

>>158941691
>new 12 to 13 episode standard
>new
What?

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>>158941541
It's very sexy.

>>158941752
The bread thing was a way to spread the wam, nothing more.

>>158941866
Good thing he didn't decide to wear socks too.

>>158941795
Most new shows, even first season adaptions of manga are 12 episodes. A lot of anime are 12 episodes now. Compared to when Code Geass aired when a lot of them were 24 episodes from the get go.
We still get a handful of 24 episode anime but a lot of new ones have been 12

>>158941969
I'm saying it isn't new. This has been the standard since forever.

>>158941887
Keep in mind that zaShunina didn't know how to lie then. The anisotropics create and foster entire universes because they have the means for it and take the excess information that intelligent life generates automatically. Similarly, zaShunina can share the gift of the anisotropic with mankind, so he does. Problem is, some of that sharing is dangerous for most humans.

>>158941936
Why would he? He's not german.

>>158941887
It was only 51% accurate, remember. It definitely applies to the wider context of his actions too.

>>158941783
source? there is no interview, no anime news network article, nothing that implies this was going to be two cour and 24 episodes

>>158942149
>>158942214
He never lied, he just wasn't forthcoming with the truth. The truth was that he wanted the want to spread and that there was no physical limitation on its use. The bread thing was a metaphor for that. It hardly indicates what zaShunima wants in general.
Also
>getting tanged
>a gift

>>158942365
Ascending to the eternal anisotropic existence is definitely a gift. The only problem is the low probability of success.

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>>158941541
I think it's quite erotic. It wouldn't be as sexy if he had his hands and feet covered too.

>>158942365
>getting tanged
>a gift
With Blue and Orange Morality, an alien could unironically consider the unification of minds a great gift.
Of course, that's not what zaShunina wants to do, since getting uplifted would still retain individuality, but it still falls firmly into alien morality.

>>158941691
From what I've heard in the threads it was supposed to be a movie or a two cour then one.
I get it would be better but that doesnt excuse it. The writer should have then adapted it so it flows smoothly for 12 episode. The first 6 episodes feel like a whole different show and after that it completely changes direction. Tsukai and her reveal come out the left field with the ideas she represents, her motivation and general character being very poorly executed.
It feels the write had two distinct ideas but didnt know how to connect them over 12 episodes. Which also raises the question why even have a recap episode?

>>158942429
>extremely low probability of success in which you will probably die, in something you might be entirely unwilling to do
>a gift
>>158942531
See >>158930059

Any more info from that Febri interview or is it not out yet?

>>158941730
Shindo wants something from Hanamori. Shindo is aware of his undying adoration and that his position as his senpai puts him in a more powerful position. It doesn't matter that Shindo asks him first because there is only one answer to that question and Shindo knows Hanamori won't refuse. Hanamori doesn't have the option refuse because of how Shindo positioned himself. He does vaguely attempt to disagree, but Shindo knows what he is doing, pulls the trust card and it's over. This is blatantly manipulative. This is also cruel because Hanamori is a crying wreck by the end of it, and crying for Shindo's sake no less - a man like Shindo could easily have pushed his buttons differently to make him a little less cry less, or at least attempt to console him, but he didn't. He is clearly trying to get shit done.

This doesn't make him evil. He's a grown ass man with a serious job and his job depends on others doing as they're told. Now the stakes are probably the highest they have ever been. However, I want to point out that he has never been particularly considerate towards Hanamori.

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>>158942441
Before watching Kado I used to think footfags were weird but now I think I'm one too.

>>158942752
It's the string bikini principal.
Bare boobs are okay, but kind of boring. They leave nothing to the imagination.
Put a few straps here and there, strategically covering just enough skin to hide a few details, it becomes mysterious and sexy.
Feet by themselves are boring. Feet with sandals, on the other hand, are sexy.

>>158937073
Because first of all,
>totally competent in professional settings
No, and second of all, Tsukai is specifically hailed as an exceptional face in her career, yet her behavior is what it is. Hanamori is a regular guy, and as silly as he is, he's always working incredibly hard.
I also find him more sympathetic.

>>158942752
He hits a ton of kinks at once
>semi-bare feet
>thigh gap
>skintight plugsuit
>side hairtail that begs to be yanked

>>158943196
Also detachable hands.

>>158943052
In what professional situation was she incompetent? How does getting flustered over something like wearing a yukata, for example, have any bearing on her professional abilities?
People are doing everything to demonze Tsukai, goddamn.

>>158942595
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Tsukai's motivation; it's crystal clear. She holds the life on Earth in very high regard and as far as she is concerned, zaShunina is messing up a masterpiece. There are people in real life who get apoplectic about us messing up "God's plan" and she has considerably better - and more real - reasons than they do.

>>158943621
You're also not quite on the nose. She's completely fine with the idea of life changing and evolving, since she says as much. She finds that life occurred and persisted to be a miracle. It's just also an incredibly fragile miracle and what zaShunina wants to do is take a million nukes to it on the off chance something cool happens, without particularly giving that life a choice in the matter.

>>158943621
It's not a matter of how right or wrong she is. A character could have the shittiest, most contradictory motivation and it can still be portrayed well by a competent author. The problem is the execution.

Also, if this is the kind of endgame they were going for, they should have left the majority of zaShunina's development (which they spent most of the time on, that's why I'm saying that) for the novel and focused on Tsukai. As she is, she is a walking plot device with a mishmash of "appealing" traits that just don't go well together.

>>158943828
Nothing about her motivations came from left field. She said what she believed what she was asked about it, has stuck with it, has consistently reinforced her position, and has good reasons for doing so. You're just going out of your way to ignore it.

>>158943828
zaShunina is the main character in the true sense; his development and his perspective shape the events. Tsukai is his foil, but the story would still happen without her. zaShunina, on the other hand, is indispensable.

So did zaShunina know the original Shindo was still alive before he showed up with Tsukai inside Kado?

>>158943828
>if this is the kind of endgame they were going for, they should have left the majority of zaShunina's development (which they spent most of the time on, that's why I'm saying that) for the novel and focused on Tsukai
This, they should have trashed the most interesting and driving aspect of the story in favor of side waifubait. Oh wait

>>158944406
>waifubait
When will you fujos/fudans ever learn

>>158944380
He wasn't surprised to see him, so he presumably suspected it.

>>158944406
I don't care about two men fucking each other and living happily ever after in space. I genuinely enjoyed this show and she shat all over it. I have legitimately no idea how anyone could defend what she brought to the show after the mahou shoujo reveal. You can also just scrap her plotline completely, I guess, I just suggested that they should have developed her properly if this is the end they had in mind.

>>158944459
Please teach me about the wonders of your 2 dimensional waifu senpai. I'm sure this thread isn't full enough of cancerous posts chanting her merits.

>>158944726
>I just suggested that they should have developed her properly if this is the end they had in mind
I agree with you on that but taking screentime away from zaShunina to give it to her? Yeah no, I still like the current state of things better.

>>158944885
This is why we needed more episodes.

>>158920025
>excited
Why though? I 100% expect some "negotiation" and then massive "understanding" and "the power of friendship", after which Zazou will go back to the Analtrophy and leave mankind alone, watching only from far away but promising to drop in from time to time to visit ShindoL.
The end.

>>158944726
>scrapping one of the few reasonable philosophical and moral positions in the entire show
Oh, so you're just a technowanker who wanted handwavey sci-fi.

>This show makes fujos incredibly butthurt.
Picked up!

>>158944963
You and I both know that's not what's going to happen. There have been far too many death flags this episode for something so cliche, and there's no way it'll end anywhere near that happily.

>>158944963
No offense but your prediction skills are terrible.

Frankly, I felt kind of bad for the fujos at first, but that some of them decided to drag the entire show into the dirt because their ship got sunk makes me incredibly miffed.

>>158944968
I'm not into sci-fi. I don't even like Star Wars. Please don't fall back on what I'm sure you think are insults when you can't make an argument.

>>158945175
Then what did you enjoy about the show that you think was lost? Hard to make an argument when you're just vaguely spewing your dislike everywhere.

>>158944963
>zaShu will go back to the anisotropic
I know he considers the lower dimensions "cramped," but he's got too much emotional investment in humanity to just pick up and leave. Emotions screwed him over as an anisotrope; he can never go back to being an emotionless, logical and impartial observer.
If anything, he'll become a full human via reincarnation in the same way as Tsukai.

>>158945171
I still love the show, and it's not dragging it into the dirt to say that everything about Tsukai, from her being an anisotropic being to winning the Shindobowl, is an asspull.

>>158945175
>Star Wars
>sci fi

>>158945175
Star Wars is fantasy.

>>158945331
I know. That's why I said it. It seems like the diet coke version of sci-fi.

>>158944963
That's not what Shindo said he'd do, though. He said he can't use words because zaShunina is always ten steps ahead verbally and he's planning to overwhelm him with something that zaShunina wouldn't expect and doesn't know how to process. He's appealing to zaShunina's basic instincts: information processing and desire for new experiences.

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>>158944963
>Analtrophy
I don't know if this was a typo or not, but I'm laughing.

>>158945381
Not even that, see
>>158945367

>>158945224
Because the only people who can enjoy Kado are sci-fitards, fujos and waifufags, eh?

>>158931475
>jury's still out on the science autist
she seemed taken aback by shindo saying he wants to prevent the anisotropification of humanity

>>158945418
>>158945367
I stand corrected. Thanks, Anon.

>>158945473
What else is there? Cube fetichists?

>>158945309
>he's got too much emotional investment in humanity to just pick up and leave.
And this wouldn't fit the "give both sides something they want" approach, either.

>>158945507
People who really, really like CG and think it's the future?

>>158923118
>waifus
That's clearly papa shindo and his two daughters.

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>>158945125
Eh, Shindo looked pretty optimistic at the end of the episode. I think he's confident that things are going to work out.

>>158945580
Is Hanamori the wife?

>>158945473
Let me quote you:
>not an argument
But, in any case, that's obviously not what I said and I have no clue where you got that from. Rather, people who wanted sci-fi would of course be incredibly disappointed because this show is hardly about science. Consider that the actual abilities of the wam are hardly narratively important; you could replace it with, say, an FTL drive and get the almost the exact same narrative results.
>Japan holding onto the only FTL drive will upset the socioeconomic balance and the UN is threatening sanctions
>the FTL drive is meant to bring humans closer to the anisotropic
See? The only point of it is that it has to be sufficiently disruptive such that the power of the anisotropic can be demonstrated and so the philosophical and moral questions regarding moral responsibility and unintended consequences could be brought up. That is the interesting content. And Tsukai Saraka adds to that content by presenting one of the reasonable sides to the argument.

>>158945641
>"Let's talk."
The frame that singlehandedly saved the show.

>>158945702
Only to be undone by the ninjarun in the PV

>>158945669
Do you think you're always responding to the same person? Do you think there's only one other Anonymous on here, besides you?

>>158945580
I think that's the first cute thing Tsukai does that is genuinely cute.

>>158945763
Fair enough, my mistake.

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>>158945641
Speaking of which, zaShunina's ED portrait has changed again. He looks softer and more open than before.

The scene with zaShunina knocking over all the clones is both haunting and yet beautiful in some way. It's so emotionally charged and heartwrenching.
Do we have any webms of that?

>>158945545
Ah, I suppose yeah. Though I think you're wrong. Paintings and books didn't disappear because photography and movies exist.

>>158945854
>He looks softer and more open than before.
It's amazing what love can do to a person. even crazy yandere love
They say that a woman becomes most radiant when she's in love.

If zaShunina's clothes are a construct just as much as his body, does that mean he's actually naked all the time?

>>158946073
If the state of being a construct is equivalent to not really existing, then he doesn't really have a body to be naked with either

>>158945854
>belts covering the thigh gap
This is a crime.

>>158946073
Kind of. He put on clothes only because Shindo told him to; he himself doesn't care.

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>>158945860
It's not the same without the music and his monologue.

>>158946291
>when zaShunina has absorbed too much info about anime tropes

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>>158946291
It's unfortunately missing the first part, too.
It's kind of terrifying that he didn't just knock them all over, either. Some of them are blatantly contorted into positions only possible with broken limbs.

>>158944968
Scifi, especially in books, is often about exploring the impact of technology shifts and other speculative developments on culture and individual people.

Sure, you can also find instances where it's pure technology-wanking, dazzling sfx lightshows, tech-fueled wish-fulfillment or anything like that. It's basically a very broad genre with many flavors.

But when talking about hard scifi with interesting plot then they usually refer to taking some speculative premise rooted in technology or science (the what-if) and then extrapolating as consistent as they can from there and see where it goes.

The issue with tsukai is that she introduces a new axis into the conflict (naturalist anisotropics vs. asensionist zaShunina) that is not actually human. Now instead of her being a conservative human who wants to slow down the things that develop we have to doubt her perspective.
At the same time it also changes the first contact angle. zaShunina is no longer being the first to explore humanity, they already had an embedded researcher, and yet he never even bothered to contact her. That's something that will never be explored.
Her isolating shindo in the cube also means that shit isn't happening on earth. Instead of it being about the international community reacting to sudden technological advances it suddenly becomes about a small group of heroes doing heroics.

It might not totally shit the bed, shindo still seems to remember that he actually is a negotiatior, not a shounen protagonist, but the PV has me scratching my head.

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>>158945854
This reminds me that in the early threads we all couldn't wait to see zaShunina's smile in the show, just like he did in his portraits.

>>158946291
>that moe cube wiggling
Every fucking time

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>>158946532
And now we get faces like this. You can tell the animators had a ton of fun animating him.
I love this alien's emotional development.

>>158946073
That's like asking whether wearing wool makes you a furfag or leather makes you an animal nudist.

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Considering the music in this sequence and zaShunina's disturbed reaction, is it safe to say this was more like a nightmare? He seems to have understood what it meant.

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vote on who best girl is pls:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13283019

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From this to >>158946655
wew, what a long way he's come in three months.

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>>158946737
I'm guessing this. Or at least something close to it.

>>158943621
>>158943932
>ignoring her
Baseless accusations when in fact i kinda agreed with her sentiments.
And also i never said her motivations arent clear, dont put words in my mouth.
For 7 whole episodes she's there for moe "fanservice" and barely present in the plot. Then here she comes with the show treating her as great importance then she turns out to also be an anisotropic in a literal deus ex machina. That's coming out of the left.
Also her motivation/argument is clear but extremely bad in it's execution. She jus rejecting the anisotropic because she views it as not natural. Her motivation is just presented in her date with Shindo. She says that this universe belongs to us and that she will protect humanity's pride. That whole argument really starts to break down when she's revealed as not being human. Her whole argument is also simply sentiments. While zaShunina brought goods that can benefit humanity to the table she brings sentiments of humanity not needing things that she views as unnatural. Then instead of keeping 2 equally neutral sides the show clearly cuts out zaShunina to be evil in order to give Tsukai's side some weight because it's only sentiments and really empty.
And I'm not even gonna go about her wobbly mannerisms and personal world view.

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>>158946655
Or to this. He's experienced the entire human emotional spectrum in a very short time.

>>158943495
Literally laughing during a publicly broadcasted conference between the iho sonzai and human beings? Sperging the fuck out with her tsundere ways in conversation with Shindo during time allocated to business pursuits? Come on. She was highly unprofessional from the start.

>>158947118
Every time, every single time I see this face, I can feel the blood converge to my groin.

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>>158947267
He looks so soft.

>>158947343
>still handling Shindo's balls

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>>158947267
pls don't bully the alien

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>>158946573
He looked suicidally depressed for most of the episode. And since Kado reacts to his mental state, it was most likely a subconscious need for comfort.

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>>158947455
>suicidally depressed

>>158947411
He's kept and treasured everything Shindo has ever given to him.

>>158947118
zaShunina says "aitakata" gently with that soft face...then he says "Shindou" in a needy voice. I need him to cry by the end of the next episode. Him emoting is the best part about this anime.

Hanamori screaming really got me though.

>>158947508
I was going to post that. The zaShuninafag hivemind is not to be trifled with.

>>158947455
Even when he smiles there is a shadow on his face. A shadow that isn't there on Shinawa's face even though they're both facing the wall.

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>>158947346
>>158947267
His emotionless facade completely melts there.

>>158946529
>naturalist
Did you not see the part where she rejects zaShunina's description of her as that by responding with a human-centric viewpoint that zaS then ignores? That said, Tsukai being fully human hardly diminishes the value of her viewpoint and I can't see why you would argue it. She has obviously lived as a human, first of all, but second of all the fragility of life can be observed even when you're not a human; it's not like being human, in their universe, gives a special epistemological access to information.
>conservative
Again with that word. You must not have remembered that she marvels at change in life. It's not being "conservative" to recognize that anisotropic powers have the ability to break everything, even moreso when you find out that the goal is to Kado everything.
>international community
Guess what buddy, it was never primarily about the international community reacting to tech. Notice how the impact of the wam on society is hardly explored; it's not that kind of show. The narrative regarding the UN is about the breakdown of communications when one party, the UN, is totally unwilling to negotiate. Communication and consequences, that's the theme.
>>158947093
So you didn't watch the conversation in the car with Shindo or her conversation with zaShunina.
>rejecting it because it's not natural
That's only part of it. It's also fundamentally about preserving human life and human existence.
>the argument breaks down because she's not human
Literally how.
>benefit humanity
If you want to get murderfucked.

>>158947455
>tfw you're so sad and lonely you unconsciously command an object psychically linked to you to give you physical comfort
Jesus Christ.

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>>158947695
forgot pic

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>>158947704

>>158947183
>laugh
She choked the laugh down. Shit happens.
>sperging
Shindo's the one who brought it up to needle her a bit.
Give it a rest. Are you saying you can't respect her unless she has a dour face on 24/7?

>>158947093
that she herself possesses the gifts she's completely denying to humanity also makes her kind of unlikable and very condescending imo. I'm aware she's a far superior being, supposedly, but it's a whole species versus one "observer" and there are multiple gifts on the table that humanity should be discussing, separately if needed. we are sentient and organized beings. not to mention this is the first time she's ever gotten "involved" with mankind - I'm sure this is meant to show us how serious zaShunina threat is, but I can think of quite a number of instances where the world could have used some god powers of someone who claims to completely love humanity. the show isn't trying very hard to make her sympathetic. she should have stayed human

>>158947791
From the start of her role in the show, I disliked that she couldn't maintain a professional atmosphere, despite being talked up as the cream of the crop. Your waifu has informed abilities, anon.

>>158947825
>the filthy natives can't sort their shit out, we superior beings have to step in instead
Yeah, no thanks.

>>158947880
this is the opposite of what I said. do you have reading comprehension issues?

The fujos are taking over the thread again.

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>>158947704

>>158936861
Saito Soma strikes again.

>>158947704
I want to make this alien smile.

>>158947915
Fujos own the kado thread. They can't "take over".

>>158947915
they should. it's the same guy saying the same headcanon shit against every single argument post written by different people, and resorting to using the same hilarious insults when someone dares to disagree with his glorious waifu and her godly "argument" since at least two threads ago. it must have been about, what, 1200 posts now? at least fujos are bringing some variety.

>>158948078
Do you have a problem with Tsukai?

>>158947707
>Tsukai being fully human hardly diminishes the value of her viewpoint and I can't see why you would argue it
That's now that I said at all. I said "instead of" which means describing what she is not anymore after the reveal.

> Did you not see the part where she rejects zaShunina's description of her as that by responding with a human-centric viewpoint that zaS then ignores?
> Again with that word. You must not have remembered that she marvels at change in life. It's not being "conservative" to recognize that anisotropic powers have the ability to break everything, even moreso when you find out that the goal is to Kado everything.
Whether she accepts that word or any particular other one is irrelevant to my argument.

> Communication and consequences, that's the theme.
They're not doing a good job at communicating with the rest of mankind. Well, it's a one-way flow of information. At least initially they were at least trying to coordinate with the rest, but that has broken down to the point where we have a bunch of independent actors making decisions for everyone.
The whole yandere zaShunina / deus ex tsukai thing just injected unneeded urgency into the whole process.

If she had been just a human who wanted to take things more slowly that would already have been enough to cause tension and a clash of interests in the negotiations.

>>158947683
>zaShunina says "aitakata" gently with that soft face...then he says "Shindou" in a needy voice.
Why do people dislike Terashima again?

>>158948154
no, I'd fuck her. she's hot.

if zaShu turned into a girl that would be nice too.

>>158947910
How is that the exact opposite? You want superior beings to go down and give humanity "gifts" and intervene because you think humans shouldn't handle their own affairs. You even blame those superior beings for not intervening. So, again, no fucking thanks.

Let me put it this way. zaShunina is already making the choice for humanity by Kadoing the shit out of everything. At this point, Tsukai intervening is the least bad thing that could happen.

>>158948179
bullying scandal

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This is Tsukai. Say something mean about her.

Unless the last episode is amazeballs only thing about this show I will remember is the first 5 minutes of episode 10

>>158948238
deets?

>>158948170
Tsukai not* being fully human. That was my mistake. In any case, the context should have made that clear.
>irrelevant
You make her out to be nothing more than a naturalist, in the anisotropic sense, when that's bullshit. Of course it's relevant.
>a bunch of independent actors
How is this a problem? Do you remember what Shindo said in the very beginning? That even if we will never know what the right answer was, even after the fact, that shouldn't prevent us from acting. That you should have the courage to take action in the fog of war is the philosophical stance this show is taking.

>>158947825
>that she herself possesses the gifts she's completely denying to humanity also makes her kind of unlikable and very condescending imo.
She has zero obligations towards humanity. Demanding that she share her knowledge would be entitlement.

In fact she is acting exceedingly moral for an extremely powerful observer. She's not performing any experiments that would be considered unethical, does not infringe on free will or otherwise exploit the power difference.

>>158948170
>The whole yandere zaShunina / deus ex tsukai thing just injected unneeded urgency into the whole process.
Logically, infecting an old, unfathomable creature with completely alien human emotions could not possibly end well. Humans are designed to have them and yet they have constant breakdowns. For a creature not equipped for it, it's pure torture.

>>158948275
https://pastebin.com/EvntSeCV

I remember /a/non sending Kitamura Eri dick pictures...I was on here when this shit blew up.

For the record, the seiyuu ended up getting a role in BlazBlue and got married, so happy end?

>>158948480
He's also in Swordfags, so he's doing fine

>>158948530

that's nice to hear. I thought what happened to him would have killed his career.

>>158948480
Oh wow, that was rough.

>>158948078
>variety
>zaShunina is so hot
>Tsukai is a bitch
>Shindo is manipulative
>zaShunina is so hot
Wew.

>>158948351
>You make her out to be nothing more than a naturalist, in the anisotropic sense, when that's bullshit. Of course it's relevant.
I do not. There's only so many words that fit into a post, it's a shorthand for a difference of perspective on (self-)advancement of civilization vs. uplifting. What I was really getting it that she is an outside observer who only has a dubious claim speaking for humans, which means she has suddenly become a 3rd party instead of representing division within humanity.

>>158948450
That seems like projecting. I could easily claim that a sufficiently advanced being can emulate a human as a contained sub-entity and analytically inspect the mental state of that sub-entity from its shielded super-self. I.e. it can use it as oracle and model for the human state.

It is like humans creating bacteria with minimalistic, artificial genomes from scratch to study how bacterial metabolism works without ever suffering from the misfortunes that can befall a bacterium. If something goes wrong we can just tweak it incrementally until it works as expected.

>>158948480
Why is bullying not only considered okay, but actively encouraged in Japan?
No wonder their suicide rates are so high.

>>158947707
>So you didn't watch the conversation in the car with Shindo or her conversation with zaShunina.
Literally "I dont like the wam" without reasoning why and "It causes social unrest and could end up in conflict". Hardly the reasons she later presents and essentially define her character.
>That's only part of it. It's also fundamentally about preserving human life and human existence.
Already in my posts and it all depends on her definition of what human is.
Her not being human makes her argument lose value because the argument depends on being human. Protecting the pride of humans? The universe belongs to us? That's a load of bullshit coming from someone who isnt even human. Preserving human existence? Coming from someone who isnt even human that mostly comes off as an outsider going on about what could be compared to an activist going on about an animal preservation.
As for the comment of not watching the show take your words and eat them because apparently you didnt watch the first 6 or so episodes which the benefits of only the Wam are discussed.

>>158948739
For once there was considerable backlash. I remember that they kept releasing poorly-worded apology after apology and even the guy who was bullied ended up claiming it was "just a misunderstanding", but people kept boycotting it and giving it shit reviews. it was fascinating, although I guess neither the show nor the original LN author deserved this

>>158948723
You're talking about emulation, not authentic experience. In our brains, emotions come from the older, core circuitry, so they override rational mind pretty much always. zaShunina assumed a human body, complete with sensory experiences and human organs. It stands to reason that he'd be exposed to the same (or at least extremely similar) processes that affect us.

>>158948952
I liked the show. It wasn't doing that well in sales but it flopped very hard after the scandal blew up everywhere. I guess it's not surprising that otaku are sensitive about bullying.

>>158948739
East asian cultures value conformity and the society over the individual. bullying is an informal instrument of punishment for outliers. /armchair psychologist

>>158949022
>You're talking about emulation, not authentic experience
Any sufficiently detailed emulation is indistinguishable from the real thing.

>>158948846
Before we go on: tell me, what effect did free energy have on society, then? Not what you think the implications of free energy would be, what was shown on screen. Go on. Tell me what a big deal free energy all was in the narrative.

>>158948355
>not performing any experiments that would be considered unethical, does not infringe on free will or otherwise exploit the power difference.
whoa

so this is exceedingly moral, huh

not bad...

>>158949220
Given the power difference, yes. Consider what humans do to any other species. Or even to our own species.

>>158949123
>Any sufficiently detailed emulation is indistinguishable from the real thing.
Not in dynamic systems where hardware is also software. You can't separate brain functions from the organic brain and expect them to stay the same.

>>158949220
Gee, considering that you're on the side of someone about to genocide humanity, I don't think you have much room to talk about morality.

>>158949260
It's not genocide and you know it. It's literally a way to avoid human extinction forever.

>>158949260
>>158949309
No need to post it twice.

>>158949332
A guy says he's going to kill everybody except for him and his wife so they can achieve immortality. Good thing or bad thing?

zaShunina needs to be stopped. This much is true regardless of his intentions. Still wanting him to still have a happy ending and not suffer forever doesn't necessary mean agreeing with his goal or condoning his behavior.

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>>158949282
then sufficiently detailed means you simply emulate it on a molecular level. it's not hard.

>>158949260
But I haven't even posted about ZaShunina in this thread at all and I don't think his hurr human chopping block is great either.

>>158949273
That doesn't constitute exceedingly moral in any sense. At best, it's average.

Most trains of moral thought heavily involve the idea of sentience and sapience, and any human being who does anything you listed to another human being given other feasible alternatives would pretty much be considered evil.

>>158949632
Given that she acted as a human being as much as she could and isn't dropping the nuke, I would say that's exceptionally good.

>>158949632
>Most trains of moral thought heavily involve the idea of sentience and sapience
Which we humans define by highly convenient human standards. For example there is no animal that is not ok to eat based on its status of sentience, it's mostly an issue of threatened status.

>>158949455
False equivalence. First, he already has immortality. Second, he'd take everybody if he could, but he can't. Third, the alternative is letting mankind die off without leaving anything behind at all, which is an obvious loss.

>>158949203
Poor people in Africa having free energy.
But go on ahead and post that it's just 2 kids in Africa.

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>>158949632
The yardstick is a human being with unchecked power and no fear of consequences. She is behaving far above expectations.

>>158949852
Why do intentions matter when the result is the same, a bunch of people fucking dead? Let me put it in such a way that removes intentions, then: two people get to be immortal at the cost of everyone else getting killed. Good or bad?
>>158949948
Oh yeah, because that was such a big deal for the plot.

>>158949998
The american Emperor of Clapistan a best

>>158949764
>Which we humans define by highly convenient human standards.

That's a valid perspective. But morality as we discuss it is a concept that has to be defined by humans like all other concepts humans discuss. And it's not completely unfounded, since there are clearly non sentient objects to which you probably also feel no moral obligations towards (unless you think stepping on the sidewalk or consuming air is a moral question).

>>158949998
But I haven't brought up ZaShunina at all, I just think the statement that you are exceptionally moral for not being a huge dickhead when you suffer no consequences is retarded.

>>158947343
the clones sure have dumb expressions

>>158950187
Do we have a positive obligation to act if we are capable of doing so, and not acting makes one at least partially responsible for what happens?

>>158950250
Mannequins generally do have pretty dumb expressions.

>>158950005
Considering we're on track to completely fuck over ourselves and the whole planet in just 100 years, it's probably happening anyway, except without anything good coming from it.

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>>158950005
>What effect did free energy have on society?
>anon posts an example
>B-Big deal! Doesn't count!

>>158947343
So does he have telepathy? He didn't even have to touch the clones to knock them over.

>>158950322
I might be misunderstanding your question but yes. If there's somebody bleeding on the street that you could easily help at no cost to yourself like calling the ambulance, then you do have some moral obligation to help him.

>>158950187
>But I haven't brought up ZaShunina at all
I'm pretty sure we were talking about tsukai

>I just think the statement that you are exceptionally moral for not being a huge dickhead when you suffer no consequences is retarded.
You have to consider that most moral frameworks are ultimately derived as a way to tamper power inequalities leading to "might makes right" into a more civilized behavior due to self-interest. even the mighty benefit from a stable society in which they live and it also hedges for the possibility that they may fall from might.

Such constraints do not exist for practical gods living among men. And thus we have to go back to the drawing board and reconstruct morals from first principles assuming such vast power differences which simply do not exist in the real world. Hobbes' leviathan does not work here.

Given those conditions even basic adherence to constructed human moral frameworks is extraordinary.