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>>158619982
That image reminds me of this

>>158620083
Never read HxH, is it good?

>>158620220
It's the only good shonen

>>158619982
A lot very justified

The only good thing that usurper pretender-god did.

>>158621168
>give everyone the Best End possible
>not a good deed

>>158621371
"Best ending" is not only flawed but it was achieved by betrayal of trust and a lack of respect for her friends' agency.

>>158621940
There is nothing wrong with staging an intervention to save self-destructive people

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Will all of you continue to say that Madoka is the hero Homura longed for?

Even when Rebellion beats you over the head with the idea that there's something we all overlooked?

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>>158625683

>>158621940
Did Madoka give Homura a choice? Sometimes you have to save your friends from themselves.

>>158619982
Considering her story is a Nietzschean analog, her actions are beyond justification. She creates her own morals in killing god and replacing her.

>>158621940
>betrayal of trust and a lack of respect for her friends' agency.

You mean like Madoka did to Homura!?
Face it, both of them think they are doing what is right.
QB is the only who ever does the right thing.

>>158625862
What about Sayaka?

>>158625757
But how does that explain the mind-raping?

>>158625961
Madoka's mouth said no, but her body was saying yes

>>158620370
True.

>>158626012
But her body was trying to ascend into godhood though. It's clearly saying no.

>>158619982
Which actions exactly?
Fucking up the QBs? Absolutely justified.

Taking Madoka's power and becoming the Goвd of a new world? Yeah, I'd say she deserved it after everything she's done and suffered through, and the world seemed pretty neat as far as we could see.

Behaving like a huge cunt and an edgy shit with her friends and in general? Absolutely not, she didn't really have a reason to.

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>>158626174
What I wanna know is why she went out of her way to antagonize Miki Sayaka

You'd think she'd just rewrite Miki Sayaka's memories in the shadows, but Akemi Homura makes a huge point of taunting Sayaka to the point it seems almost like she's inviting Sayaka to fight back

>>158626557
What the fuck is with that blush?

>>158626635
Homura x Sayaka OTP

>>158626756
They definitely need to beat the ever loving shit out of each other since I don't think they've ever talked things out in an equal postion

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>>158626635
>>158626756
Default.

>>158619982
Q: Did she intend to make the world a better place, and is that also what she did do?
A: Yes.

I think that settles it.

I wish I was Kyoko

>>158625683
You still never explained your retarded theory you reprobate

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>>158626557
>it seems almost like she's inviting Sayaka to fight back
I feel like it's part of the facade Homura puts on as the self-proclaimed villain in the end. Rather than make excuses for herself she just rolls with the idea that the others may inevitably become her enemies, and so she sort of flaunts the idea to make it easier to accept for herself.

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>>158627139
I think she made the world a better place for Madoka specifically, but I feel like there's going to be some instability for everyone else in some fashion, otherwise there would have been no reason to make threats and forcibly erase everyone's memories.

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>>158626635
They all blush at all times you retard
Devil Homu only doesn't because she's dead inside

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>158626557

>>158626557
Wasn't it just because Sayaka resisted the initial brainwashing? It's not like she had a good relationship with her either.

>>158627328
Apple-chan please ;_;

>>158627747
Let's say for the sake of argument that there are instabilities, someone gets their memories back, and the fight against Homura. What would be their ultimate goal?

Would they undo Homura's world and restore things to how they were? That'd be tantamount to killing everyone Homura saved. Sayaka would be dead, Madoka would be gone, Bebe would've been put down as a witch. They'd have to continue their thankless existences as magical girls. Would that be worth fighting for?

>>158629999
Ultimately it's going to depend on what the conflict is actually about.
If Homura's world is perfect and there's nothing wrong anymore, there will be no reason for conflict. But obviously that's not gonna happen because that'd be boring.
So there's got to be some sort of reason for stuff to go wrong, maybe the universe starts breaking apart of something. We can't really say how justified either side would be until we know what's going to happen.

WHEN THE FUCK IS THE NEXT MOVE GOING TO COME OUT, SHAFT? YOU CAN'T JUST END THE SERIES LIKE THIS REEEEEE

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>>158631946
Soon™

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>>158619982
Homu did humanity proud.

No Gods. No masters. Only cute grils.

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>>158619982
Why the shitty tumblr gif though

>>158625683
>>158625730

this pisses me off to beyond belief and makes me believe that homura didnt do nothing wrong.

Sayaka, i get you have to be cautious of the incubators who are watching, but is it really necesary to go 'yeah, i like witches, witches are cool, gotta problem with that TENKOSEI?' basically telling her visually with that illusion 'or you stay calm or i kill you in your sleep' and finally abandon her in her direst moment, just so you can appear as a heroine when her mind is already off the gutter?

Homu has shitspeck of an idea about how the LoC actually works, theres no way that she wouldnt interpret that shit the wrong way!

also, Homu still hates witches and that only rewinforces that Madokas wish was useless and both mado and homus efforts were useless. even tho that wasnt the reason for homus final decision, IT WAS A REASON!

sayaka has ZERO right to be angry at homu no matter what she did, if anything everyone should be mad at her for actualy scaring to that point.

or what that was part of madokas plan? to teach homu a lesson even tho theres definitely no time for that?

And about the 'try to take your time and be happy these last moments' thing? now that she did that, it was never gonna happen.

all this amounts to the fact that, like every literary work, as divine beings, Madoka/Sayaka/the LoC were assholes for no reason just because they can.

doesnt help that fact that we dont know what was 'the easy way' according to sayaka's oh so perfect plan. theres no reason for what happened and homuras decision was the right thing, period. she was a victim of an invisible war between 2 divine beings that cared jackshit for her.

maybe i didnt fully understand but this is what i got of the movie and i stand for what i said.

>>158619982
Did she do what she thought was right, acting based on the information available to her? Yes. (+1)

Was it actually necessary? Not really. (-1)

Was it for the best? Debatable. (0)

1-1±0=0. It's up in the air and up to opinion.

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>>158629999
>Let's say for the sake of argument that there are instabilities
>What would be their ultimate goal?
To stop the potential instabilities in the Law of Cycles and natural order of the world?

An ending where Madoka and Sayaka just straight up disappear again isn't really my ideal end-game either, but the way the world changed at the end of Rebellion was definitely meant to come across as more foreboding than hopeful.

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>>158632832
>'yeah, i like witches, witches are cool, gotta problem with that TENKOSEI?'
The point of that conversation was Sayaka trying to ease Homura into the idea of acknowledging that whoever created the labyrinth wasn't necessarily doing so out of malice, and thus didn't deserve to die. Being blunt about the truth was risky for Homura's mental state and dangerous with the incubators watching.

Granted, the threatening Shaft head tilt (TM) wasn't really necessary. I guess Sayaka was just hyped to finally be the mysterious character who knew everything after Homura hogged that role for the entire original series.

Not at all, but it was really fun watching her do it anyway.

Daily reminder that homura is a casual tier character

>>158620220
it's not called HiatuxHiatus for nothing

>>158631982
>>158632541
>>158632754
Why do I want to rape Kyubey so bad, guys?

>>158633861
a.- there were other ways to ease her like that. what she did was already damaging homura, hard.

after all, at the beginning she thought, 'oh shit! we have one witch more!?'. and now she ended 'OH SHIT! HOW MANY WITCHES ARE LEFT!?'

b.- that second paragraph, you said it, not me, and certainly, that wasnt the time to do that shit, at all, just the fact you become an enlightened doesnt give you the time to shove it in others faces, much less at that delicate of a moment.

as i said, yeah, sayaka might had her reasons and they might be logical, but her plan was flawed and badly executed, homu is a child soldier after all, and you dont help ptsd-ridden child soldiers by scaring them even more like that.

at the end, again, even if its obvious is not the main reason homu did what she did, it was still a reason, and a big one.

after all, when you are a mere pawn in middle of 2 kings who do nothing that fuck around with you, you are bound to explode at any moment.

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>>158634169
>homu is a child soldier after all
I guess she's like, thirty, mentally at this point.

If a magical girl had children, would those children be inherently mahou?

>>158634297
Nope. The kids gotta contract and I'm not sure if most magical girls even live long enough to have offspring.

>>158619982
Justified or unjustified, she did them and that's all that matters.

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By the end of the tv show/2nd movie Madoka says she can see the past and future of all the universes that ever existed and that will exist.
Taking that into account it's easy to assume that Madoka knew what Homura was going to do and she was ok with that, otherwise she wouldn't have come willing into Homura's labyrinth, or at least she would have warned Bebe and Sayaka about that outcome.

Why do you niggers still keep discussing this garbage?

>>158635234
>Why do you niggers still keep discussing this garbage?
I don't know, why are you?

>>158619982
>2017
>having just seen madoka
isn't it time to do smoething about this?

>>158635253
I'm glad you agree that I'm right and we can stop talking about it now.

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>>158626557
Of all the girls, Homura had the worst relationship with Sayaka. Not only was Sayaka the hardest to work with (see her comments about Homura's bombs), Homura never really got over Sayaka's attempt at sabotaging her infodump on how magical girls turn into witches (questioning Homura's intentions right in her face), and it didn't help that Sayaka was invariably the first one to witch out in all the timelines we saw (which means she probably witched out in many more timelines we never saw). Their relationship becomes so toxic that when Madoka asks for Homura to look after Sayaka, she straight up tells Madoka that she won't do it and that Madoka should forget about her, despite knowing that Madoka would never do such a thing. In Rebellion, things don't get much better; Sayaka dangles the answers to Homura's most pressing questions just outside of her reach for no real good reason, and even tells Kyoko that the true reason she came to Homura's witch world was so that she could be with her gal pal again. And the final kicker was that when Homura had finally reached a true reckoning with her desires and found some form of pained happiness (demon transformation + barrier world), of all people Sayaka is the one kicking up a shitfit about it, even though everyone (except Kyubey) is better off and just a few hours earlier Sayaka was extolling the importance of preserving Homura's witch world. Basically, Homura lost all patience with Sayaka long ago and this scene was the way she could give Sayaka a snarky "Bon Voyage!" to her face.

Would Homura be any better if she finally got laid?

>>158636256
It is physically impossible for a single entity to be better than she already is. Literally, she's a fucking demon god now.

>>158636277
The guy's clearly talking about her emotional health, not powerups-via-sex.

>>158636355
Her emotional health is perfectly fine.

>>158635958
They have the shittiest relationship, but I don't think it's that personal. They view each other as stubborn troublemakers and obstructionists. At best they can tolerate each other; they have the same best friend after all (until Rebellion arguably). Now they clash over the same issue. The confrontation just shows they can't see eye to eye and Homura, having the upper hand now, simply dismisses Sayaka's buzzing.

>>158635958
>which means she probably witched out in many more timelines we never saw
Urobuchi said in an interview that he can't see Sayaka ever having a happy timeline. It's pretty much guaranteed.

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Was telling Kyubey about witches part of her plan or did she just want someone to listen to her without saying she imagined everything?

>>158636999
>>158635958
>>158626557
>im tired of your bullshit sayaka

homura probably tried her best to save her many loops since she is still considered a friend but sayaka is such a big fuck up that every timeline shes the one that completely fuck up a perfect run

>>158636999
I think he was just talking about her never being happy with Violin-San. I mean she might get a happy ending with apple-chan.

>>158619982
Nothing she did was justified, her movie should never have been made

>>158637129
This, look at Hitomi's relationship. Sayaka dodged a bullet, but too bad she had to die before knowing that.

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B E S T G I R L

>>158622703
That's a... good argument, actually.

>>158622703
Homura is self-destructive though. That's the irony of it.

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>>158636837
Homura knows pinky much more than Sayaka does though.
also, Sayaka has always prioritized her own ideals over Madoka.

>>158638923
>Homura knows pinky much more than Sayaka does though.
Considering Madoka opposed Homura on personal happiness trumping rules, it isn't that clear cut, sonny.

>>158638867
They both are

>>158619982
To all the extents

>>158639196
And yet Madoka was perfectly content to break the rules of the universe by becoming god.

>>158639300
Yeah. Neither has a perfect understanding because Madoka is her own person. And Homura continues on regardless of Madoka's opposition, putting what she thinks is best before anything else.

>>158638923

I don't remember Sayaka saying this.What part of the movie is this from?

>>158640436
That's from episode 8

>>158639420
To add, people make the mistake of thinking Madoka is a lawfag when she's more a neutralfag. She's a person motivated by goodwill and while she opposed the rules, she didn't smash the system; the Incubator system remains largely in tact. What Madoka did was try to create a balance where everyone benefits some. She didn't make happy magical girl carebear world and punish the mean ol' QBs; the girls made the wishes and had the fulfill their part of the bargain, but Madoka tried to make their sacrifices have value. It was also shown she could whoop the QBs asses if they tried to disrupt the balance.

Yeah, she would love to live a happy earthly life if she could. But she had a higher calling and it is dedicated to maintaining that balance, that Homura has now disrupted. Homura is not bad for considering Madoka. Homura's actions were ultimately misguided and now she opposes Madoka's world of balance for the sake of what she thinks is best.

>>158640479
It's sad how she turned on her best friend like that.

>>158640436

whoops, it's been a while. Sayaka's stupider than I remember, but the stuff she says in rebellion is still super weird.

>>158639196
Taking the "human element" into count has never been Sayaka's strong suit as we've seen in the original series.

>>158640527
Even Sayaka knew she had gone too far taking out her frustrations on Madoka. But she was right that Madoka's sympathy was worthless on its own and Madoka realized she'd have to take decisive action.

>>158640688
>human element
I don't know what's supposed to mean. That doesn't change the fact Madoka still disagreed with Homura after everything, so no points in Homura's favor.

>>158638923
>Sayaka has always prioritized her own ideals over Madoka
And that's right. The universe shouldn't be centered around some pink haired girl. Even Madoka doesn't think she's the most important thing in the universe. Only Homura and her autistic fans think that because they're myopic yurifags.

>>158641730
To honest, Madoka is the only one who could defeat Walpurgis and no one else. Otherwise, she is a normal girl.

>>158625917
A dumb bitch.

>>158641892
That was because of Homura's time travelling shenanigans. Even when she became Madokami, it wasn't all about her.

But it's funny. Homura reverted Madoka back to the thing she didn't want to be anymore: a weak, useless girl who needs to be protected by others.

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>>158641730
or maybe not everyone is 200% percent moralfag

>>158619982
Yes

Mami and Madoka were the ones in the wrong every time there was a major conflict.

she's obviously malevolent, she didn't even have to touch qb. but look what she did to him.

>>158626557
>it seems almost like she's inviting Sayaka to fight back

That's exactly it; the next season will be sentai shit where Homura is the evil witch sending a monster of the week - her familiars - to attack the town/school while the girls defend it. Her ultimate goal being her own defeat at the hands of Madoka.

>>158634291
>Get out of hospital
>One person is nice to you like a normal human being would be
>Fixate upon them with the girl crush to end all girl crushes

Yeah that sounds mature. Homura is the fucking personification of sunk cost fallacy.

>>158636837
>They have the shittiest relationship, but I don't think it's that personal. They view each other as stubborn troublemakers and obstructionists. At best they can tolerate each other; they have the same best friend after all

This is 99% of women I know.

>>158636837
>>158636999
It's more likely that Sayaka's witching out and bullshit reactions to being a mahou is what starts the breakdown of a particular timeline. I'm sure she's been the reason Homura couldn't get it together to fight Walpurgis/save Madoka many times, probably more than either Mami or Kyoko.

>>158644335
More people aren't dumbasses who risk everything for worm pussy either.

>>158644776
It's not really sunk cost "fallacy" when there is a very significant reason for her to not give up, i.e. turning into a witch if she does.

>>158645225
Homura kept on risking everything for Dokapussy herself. It's not like she's any better off.

>>158644804
That's life.
>>158645106
Homura was never going to succeed and QB was a much, much bigger reason for that. Sayaka was an annoyance to her, but there would have been no Mahou Shoujo Sayaka drama without QB contracting her and actively trying to get Madoka contracted in the first place. End of the day, she was like Homura, another person caught up in some unsatisfactory shit. Killing Sayaka was a last resort, kill QB any chance you get.

Homura wasn't just justified, she did nothing wrong.

Homura finally saved Madoka and everyone else just like she said she would.

>>158635234
Considering that part of Episode 12, which shows that Madoka does not quite know what will happen with Homura (especially when using the word maybe) is more likely that she could not predict the ripple effect of putting Homura in the new world. In a way this equivalent to saying that Madoka could well calculate the effect the beating of wings of the smallest butterfly in the world, but is unable to predict the effect of the asteroid that helped the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Homura:
Madoka...
Is that what you want, even if I don't remember you ever again?
How am I gonna know you're there when I can't even feel you're standing next to me anymore?

Madoka:
Uh-uh.
It's a little soon to be giving up hope.
You managed to follow me all the way out here, didn't you?
Besides, even though you're going back to your world, maybe you'll still remember me.
I mean you never know, right.
You'll see, everything will be fine.
Just believe.

Homura:
Madoka...

Madoka:
We are magical girls, remember?
We make hopes and dreams come true.
They might not happen all the time, but there's no doubt miracles can really happen.
Don't you think?

Homura:
Madoka! Please don't go!

Madoka:
Sorry.
I've gotta go meet the others now.
I don't know when, but I will see you again, Homura.
Promise.
So, until then, take care of yourself, okay?

Homura:
Madoka!!

>>158640509
The reason the Madoka system collapsed was that it did not solve the causes (Homura and Kyubey) only one of the consequences (witches). Basically her wish has created changes that are not sustainable without solving the most important.

>>158645977
How was Madoka going to solve the whole Homura issue?

>>158646025
By having sex with her.

>>158646052
I'm pretty sure Homura would wear Madoka down to a nub with the amount of sexual tension wound up in her.

>>158645225
wormpussy Imao xD

>>158646150
>lmao xD
Typical Sakurafag.

>>158645977
She should have conquered them both like a true neutral, instead of being a pansy.

>>158646341
y-ye

I-I sure made a fool out of myself, by responding like that to a decade old maymay

y-you sure showed me

>>158646429
>I-I'm s-s-st-stuttering like a r-retard
Go back to your play pen, Fatefag.

>>158646421
Why would Madoka have conquered Homura, who was a close friend in life?

>>158646461
> getting this worked up

you might need to take a breather

>>158646539
See >>158643899
You need to stop. These threads are not here as a ring for your personal fights. They are for people to talk about the Madoka series, which you never do.

>>158647070
Stop. This is a Madoka thread. Talk about the Madoka series.

>>158619982
What exactly did she do to coobie anyway

>>158647466
It doesn't have any pairings in it. It's all headcanon and yurishipping anyway. There's no evidence in-universe for the Megucas to be anything other than straight.

>>158619982
Homura did literally nothing wrong, she was just misled by the trickster qb

>>158647518
k, Draconis

>>158647518
Yet the main couples are pushed by staff and AI-YO.

>>158647855
Prove it. Offer evidence there's a single hint of intentional gay text about any of them.

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>>158619982
Is there any reason to watch the movies/extras? I want to know it it's worth it.

>>158647902
Isn't the burden on you to show that Homura's literal love isn't gay?

>>158648082
yes

>>158647902
The character duet song And I'm Home sky-rocketed the pairing. Ume's comments like the letter in the Kyousaya book. Butcher's "probably" response to a question on her feelings for Madoka. Those are just a few examples from the staff. Rebellion ups the intimacy between the pairs up to 11. Through visual story-telling; Sayaka and Kyouko's friendly banter, lovers hold and Madoka landing atop of a flushed Homura and braiding her hair lovingly.

>>158648082
Just watch the rebellion movie at least.

>>158648082
Why wouldn't the movie be worth it? It's a direct sequel so unless you like incomplete stories I don't see why not.

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Both homu and madoka feel that they know what is best for everyone else and have a sense of personal responsibility/obligatory martyrhood to bring it about.

If you think about it, Rebellion is basically a retelling of the original story but the roles reversed.

in the original, Madoka's 'sacrifice'/ascension to godhood is a foregone conclusion that homura tries in vain to prevent

And in rebellion, Homu's new reality is the thing that the others fight to undo but ultimately fail to and that new reality is decisively solidified with Homu's own ascension to godhood

It's literally the law of cycles and shit

>>158648082
No, the anime series is perfectly fine as it is. Ignore whoever points you to some fanfiction called "Rebellion" or something.

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>>158647902

>>158619982
To the entire extent.

>>158648380
>Literally made by the same people
>fanfictiob
U wot m8?

>>158648674
In other words it was 3deep5him.

There is no doubt in my mind.
Her actions are those of 「Justice」

>>158620220

It's good if you're smart and like to read. It's bad if you're dumb and like to look at pictures.

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>>158648909
>You are brain multiple rules
hah

I agree with you though

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>>158648149
>>158648159
>>158648168
>>158648380
Huh, thanks for the input anons, I will reflect on these and come to a general conclusion on if I want to what 'continuation' or not.

>>158649161
Yeah, my phone's auto correct fucked up.

>>158648380
>end was perfect
>Sayaka dead
>Madoka forever stuck in a limbo, will never see her friends again
>Mami lonely
>Kyoko lost Sayaka
>Homura looped for years and still couldn't save Madoka

brebby perfect m88

>>158649284
>Sayaka dead

How is this a bad thing?

>>158649404
I'll pretend I've never read this post

>>158644382
What did Mami do wrong?

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>>158619982
A demon get in your Rice?

>>158647902
Wraith Arc (which is canon) states explicitly that Madoka loves Homura romantically

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>>158649284
Honestly, the way they had to find a quick way to kill off Sayaka at the end was my biggest gripe with the original ending.

I get that they wanted to show why Madoka's wish mattered with a character that we actually knew, but it was lame that she was the only character who didn't get a second chance.

>>158650236
Sayaka did get a second chance, like all the other girls. She was the first to fuck it up, like always.

>>158650210
>Is canon
Really? I've heard it isn't.

>>158650236
sayaka a CUTE

>>158650306
Gen's gone on record as stating that it's the canon representation of the events between the series end and Rebellion. To make Wraith Arc they basically took the storyboards/concept art from a scrapped Madoka Season 2 and turned it into a manga.

>>158645877
Plot holes.

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>>158650259
But the way it set up just felt kind of rushed.

It made sense in the original timeline, because we see how the paranoia, death, isolation, and the horrible factors of the wish further drove her over the edge as she realized the consequences of it. But now she had a full team support structure of friends backing her up at the end and she still just opts out because of Violin Kid.

Then Madoka gives her the choice to retcon it, and she still decides that the kid's violin recital was somehow worth more than her own life. Rebellion makes up for it a bit with her basically being promoted to Madoka's right-hand gal, but still...

>>158650551
Sayaka's fall is motivated by her realization that her wish was selfish (the implicit expectation of how reward sex from Kyousuke), and that she had betrayed her own ideals of JUSTICE. It's destined to happen in every timeline.

>>158637270
t. butthurt Sayakafag

>>158626174
>behaving like a cunty edgelord
If Homura calmly and rationally explained her actions, then we wouldnt have a sequel bait cliff hanger. And I took it more as self-hate then anything.

Homura did absolutely nothing wrong in any way, shape or form.

The five stages of post-Rebellion processing:
>Homura is a bitch who did everything wrong!
>Homura may have had a few good points, but she still deserves punishment!
>I really can't make a definitive judgement of Homura's actions...
>While Homura may have made a few mistakes, on the whole her decisions were justified.
>Homura did nothing wrong!
Which one are you sitting at, /a/?

>>158651537
It's been years since I've watched the Rebellion and my stance on her being an edgy cunt who mostly did things right hasn't changed one bit.

>>158650551
>and she still decides that the kid's violin recital was somehow worth more than her own life
I personally thought Sayaka's ending was beautiful. I wish I could properly describe in words why I feel that way, it's hard to explain to someone how a person can get a crappy deal in life but not regret it since I used to think the same way you do. One of the things the story is trying to express is that there is an inherent value and meaning in being loving and trying to do good, and that these acts themselves are worthwhile.

>>158651537
>Homura did nothing wrong!
I was this from the start.

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>>158651712
>he story is trying to express is that there is an inherent value and meaning in being loving and trying to do good
Which I can appreciate. A lot of what the girls want to do is admirable because they're protecting and saving others with no chance of a reward.

But I thought Sayaka making the wish and then accepting that Violin Kid didn't love her was selfless enough without her needing to straight up die for him. Couldn't she have been given the shot to find new happiness?

Helping someone you love despite realizing they love someone else is admirable. Letting yourself get killed for the sake of their career just feels excessive.

How do we reconcile Homura and Madoka's desires such that all parties are satisfied?

>>158652103
They should let Madokami take weekends off from now on.

>one entire madoka thread without namefag/waifufag shitposting cancer
What a time to be alive

>>158652055
It's not just the wish itself but the act of being a magical girl, that way of life. Sayaka resolved at the end that it was something worth dying for.

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>>158652103
Make the Law of Cycles a clock-in system. Different Goddesses for different days of the week.

Shoulder that galactic burden together.

>>158652103
The realistic option in the context of the story would be dualistic concepthood. Madoka remains a concept, but Homura is still able to protect her from solitude by existing alongside her on the same plane.

>>158652255
If it will make you feel better Apple-chan was literally just crippled. Someone said both her femur bones got fractured in a car accident. I felt kind of bad.

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>>158652275
>the act of being a magical girl, that way of life.
Didn't she last like... a week?

It works better with the context of Rebellion because apparently she gets to help out as one of Madoka's archangels now, but that wasn't elaborated on until later.

>>158652730
The series takes place over the course of like 48 days or something so she probably lasted around a month or so

>>158652279
>>158652188
But what happens when so much time passes that Madoka's friends and family die off, so that she has nothing to go back to? Is taking weekends off in heaven as opposed to Earth an adequate substitute?

>>158652826
>so she probably lasted around a month or so
What's the average time spent as a magical girl before destruction? I know that Mami lasted 2-3 years, but is that the extreme outlier, or are there other magical girls who lasted even longer?

>>158652895
We don't have a large sample size of course, but I get the feeling that the average is closer to Sayaka
Most previous timeline Madokas lasted around the same amount of time (by definition), and Nagisa lasted like less than a day

>>158626557
Sayaka has the experience of being a witch and unlike nagisa, homura knows her personally, so she probably figured she could relate to her suffering more.

>>158652730
It's not really specified how long it was. Homura's total timeloop length is like 1-1.5 months. The point is that the value of living a life for other people isn't something to be weighed on a scale or counted up. That a hero isn't only a hero if they win. That final failure doesn't make their efforts meaningless. It's not something that can be explained any more than that, it's just something you believe in or you don't.

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>>158652831
>when so much time passes that Madoka's friends and family die off
There are still weekends out drinking with Sayaka and the other Law-of-Cycles Megucas.

>Is taking weekends off in heaven as opposed to Earth an adequate substitute?
Guess that depends on how nice the restaurants and karaoke bars are in heaven.

Do Mahou Shoujo who get KIA "normally," as opposed to witching, also get saved by the Law of Cycles?

>>158632541
>>158632754
>inb4 somehow the narrative makes people feel sorry for kyubey

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>>158653153
Give it a rest already

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>>158653090
I believed so, considering that Jean of Arc and Cleopatra were part of Madoka's montage on trying to give all of the girls hope.

>>158634291
She still hasn't emotionally matured much past 14, although she has experience in fighting.

>>158652345
The whole "becoming nothing more than a concept" thing feels a lot more hyperbolic after seeing Madoka in all her godhood still possessing all the characteristics of her former self. What even is she supposed to have "lost"?

>>158619982
I pictured a conservative/animal right advertisement with Kyubey asking OP 's question with sad puppy eyes.

>>158653207
I wonder what Jean of Arc and Cleopatra's witches were like.

Is madoka still a magical girl in the new timeline?

>>158653610
Probably not, but we don't know for sure

>>158653263
>What even is she supposed to have "lost"?
She deeply regrets forfeiting her normal life and connection to Earth, and it's not even clear that she has "normal" contact with her saved girls in heaven, as opposed to being a vague presence to them who occasionally gives orders.

Madoka's regret:
https://vimeo.com/162641948
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk

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>>158653610
I doubt it. Feels like Madoka probably doesn't even remember her friendship with Sayaka and Mami if she remembers moving to America at a young age.

>>158653281
>animal rights activists
>conservative

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>>158654200
stahp

>>158654377
Don't respond, dumbass

>>158654200
Here's your SayaNagi
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11022529/1/Disconnection

>>158648168
So the Rebellion movie is the sequel to the series? What about the other two movies?

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>>158654520
The movies are abridged recaps of the original anime with one or two new scenes, and Rebellion is the sequel.

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Reminder that Kyubey symbolizes the cis white male patriarchy that has enslaved girls since the dawn of time and the main conflict of the story is an allegory to the modern-day battle over reproductive rights

>>158654766
HomuSuke

>>158653150
Why would it? They're cruel, unfeeling abominations and even in their last moments it was evident they felt nothing.

>>158619982
She did nothing wrong up to the part where she did everything wrong because of her emotional instability.

>>158654766
No that's dumb

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Kyubey is a representation of the female reproductive system and the Law of Cycles refers to menstruation

>>158646551
For the sake of balance? So Homura wouldn't overthrow her? Of course, this is assuming she took the "true neutral/for the best" stance anon was talking about

>>158654766
wtf I like Kyubey now

>>158655012
But all the megucas are already post-pubescant

>>158625862
QB is a retard
>be QB
>Work in a power plant that you dont understand fully
>Want to go home early so mess with the controls to get more output
>Surprised when the powerplant explodes in your face
>Twice
>

So Madoka is split in half here? Does that mean the Law of Cycles still does its thing except in Homura's world?

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>>158658023
Hard to say.

Homura claims that she only took a piece of the Law of Cycles, but it was the most important piece she was messing with. So we don't really see how she's ultimately affected the overall state of things.

Though the implications are troubling considering she openly admits that what she did may inevitably make her Madoka and the other's enemies.