What do you consider to be "forced aimation"?

Anything made by kyoani.

>>158182328
Who the fuck genuinely thought rotoscoping was ever a useful idea
Bakshi himself who made prominent use of the technique later admitted how loathsome it was

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>>158182328

Anything animated on ones.

>>158182328
Who ever said A1 Pictures doesn't have fluid animation like KyoAni?

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>>158182619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAjRNU3DbSY
It worked really well here.

>>158182328
This looks so bad though.

It's obvious they used male models judging from they way they walk.

No such thing. Silly meme.

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>>158182328
>packaging individual crisps already in a bag
maybe two bombs were too many

Forced animation is the dumbest criticism I've heard in a very long time. If you really think such a thing actually exists, and you aren't memeing you're a retard.

>>158182328
Literally anything if the intention is to shitpost.

>>158184274
They also do it with cookies
COOKIES

Something that doesn't look natural and is only there to make you think a lot of movement is good anmation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hnBQpxyzM
Take any major scene from One Piece and you'll see what I mean.

>>158185080
So, Bahi?

The only time rotoscoping as ever looked good was during that like 4 minute scene in thew classroom in Aku no Hana

>>158182328
What anime is this?
I've watched it for sure but I can't remember the name

>>158185734
Reading the filenames sometimes helps.

>>158182328
Stuff that looks like QWOP: the animation.

like half the shit of Monogatari.

>>158182328
Is a stupid buzzword that came from people who want to complain about something in shows

>>158186174
Monogatari is notorious for having bare minimum animation

>>158182328
That one scene where a girl is flipping around while crossing a river for no good reason.

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>>158189230

>>158183996
This, I have nothing against rotoscoping in general, especially in action scenes and such, but it's borderline horror when cute idol girls are moving like adult males.

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>>158182328
>Uguu faces plastered on rotoscoped bodies

This is getting too freaky. Aku no Hana suddenly doesn't seem so bad now.

>>158182619
I believe Walt Disney did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru5EKWP25FY

>>158184165
>>158188583
>>158184748
motion is irrelevant to animation
I want it to look good, not move good

>>158182328
Any time a show I don't like has a sakuga scene

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>>158189424
>motion is irrelevant to animation

It's kinda pitiful that anime is so badly animated that we have to become astonished in seeing the occasional slightly better animated scene.
>holy shit, guys
>look
>they're not just standing around and flapping their mouths

>>158189943
Pleb: watching whole episodes of anime
Patrician: watching sakuga compilations with Death Grips music

>>158182328
That webm is creepy as hell.

>>158189378
As far as I know Disney hated it too after they used it in Snow White, after that they only used live action footage as reference but didn't draw over it

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>>158182619
It's not automatically a bad thing, Bakshi was just always shit in general.
Rotospocing has to be used carefully because you don't expect animation to look exactly like natural movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5gQFjr0QRk
Look how the people are animated. The rotoscoping is evident, but the movements are sedate and limited.
It also isn't some shortcut on animating. Rotoscoping takes a lot of work because the tracing is done frame by frame, hence why it is usually only used when very realistic movement is wanted from animation, and even then it has to be done pedantically and right so it doesn't end up looking like >>158182328 which additionally has the disparity of rotoscoped movement and art-style.

>>158189943
>Better animated
>That webm in the OP

I'd rather have flapping mouths than fucking rotoscoping.

>>158182328
>>>/v/

>>158182328
a meme

>>158184274
>crisps

What the hell is wrong with you people they're called chips.

>>158190237
Those old rotoscoped Superman shorts looked pretty nice too

>>158182328
This rotoscope is disgusting

>>158189269
What the fuck. I don't know how I feel about "forced animation" as a whole but this is just ridiculous.

>>158185080
Yea I immediately thought of the OP anime as well. Even back in the Sabondy arc, before the anime turned complete shit, there was a lot of that. Especially in the Luffy vs Kuma fight.

>>158190453
It was a joke in the show I believe.

>>158189362
I was thinking of reading that. What's wrong with it?

>>158189230
there is nothing unnatural in that movement.

>>158182328
what is going on there, why does everything look weird

>>158182328
A dumb /a/ meme.

>>158190535
Nothing. It's the anime people had a problem with. It was rotoscoped so people complained that everyone (girls mostly) looked ugly, but the more serious problem was that it just in general looked like ass because you don't rotospoce a tv-anime on a tight budget and tight schedule.

>>158182328
They don't even bother to purchase some little girls to do this and just use lanky men, that's the whole problem.

>>158190512
It wasn't

>>158190336
Burgers please respect the tea drinkers, they're the original.

>>158182328
Holy shit that is fucking terrible

Thank god this shitty trash got BTFO by Love Live

>>158182328
Animation that doesn't serve the/any narrative.

>No one posting this

https://youtu.be/Ru5EKWP25FY

>>158182328
It's a buzzword that people throw around to shit on good studios with talented animators.
The word you're looking for is "overanimating" wich means going too far in your animation, breaking the character and/or tone/goal of the scene, or just creating something that move so much that it's just weird and hard to read.

However overanimating is quite rare because most of the time people go for the least amount of effort. This >>158189230 isn't overanimated, this >>158189269 would be overanimated in the context of a normal interaction but isn't for a comedic moment (wich it seem to be).
This however >>158182328 ,is. From what I remember it actually not rotoscoped. The guy most likely used a video reference, but stayed too close to it. Either way he put in too many movements, wich means that we end up focusing on it rather than the characters interaction.

In short, it's something extremely specific, that has more to do with a lack of skill than being "too good".

>>158182328
Nice gorilla-walk

>>158189383
It's funny how this was actually parodying those unnaturally shit movements but somehow they managed to make it natural and not uncanny valley (like OP for example)

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>>158189424
>motion is irrelevant to animation
>I want it to look good, not move good
Do you even know what the word ANIMATION means?
Do you even know what the ILLUSION of LIFE, is?
Do you know what it means to ANIMATE something?
When has the visuals/quality of the image been relevant to the movement?

I'm pretty sure Forced Animation means that instead of creating convincing interesting looking animations, they give a lot of key frames and inbetweens to the motion without much context, making it almost look uncanny/disjointed for the sake of spectacle.

Smoother animation will always be better, but if the motion isnt accounted for it will look off.

It's why games originally in 30fps get bumped up to 60fps, play better yet look wonky and weird because their animations havent accounted for the higher framerate and are relying on interpolation.

>>158189269
I fucking dizzy now man

>>158189424
This is the dumbest post I've read this month.

>>158191071
This anon gets it. Thank Christ someone does.

>>158185080
This scene always fucks with me, it looks like it's being fast forwarded

>>158190237
Man, they don't make them like they used to. I would take that russian animation any day over 3D crap that has infested american animation.

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>>158189269
i want whatever the hell she's having

>>158192461
>Do you even know what the ILLUSION of LIFE, is?

Some shit written by 2 Disney hacks?
The only thing that animation needs is movement, everything else falls into directing and effects.

>>158192900
Not rotoscopy
Even if it is, it's executed well enough to look good

>>158193530
forced animation doesnt mean rotoscopped nor that it looks bad.

in this case its forced animation for the sake of comedy

>>158193148
You realise that the word "animation" literally means to breath life into something, right? It comes from the same root as "animal".

>>158193631
I'm getting the feeling that this scene was purposely made to look like that, for the sake of comedy.

>>158193631
If it is being used for a genuine purpose and fulfils that purpose, how is it "forced"?

>>158193835
Forced comedy

>>158194067
We're taking about the animation right now anon
The comedic value depends on the person, some might laughing hard at a scene while tearing, others might not even crack a little chuckle

>>158194180
Forced Post

>>158194622
Forced retardation.

>>158182328
A meme, other than that it's usually rotoscoping or off model animation.

>>158182328
>rotoscoping is forced animation now
The state of /a/.

Anything more animated than a manga panel.

>>158190237
Wew, looks actually pretty good.

>>158195017
Forced forced.

Maybe some western animation can be overanimated, but Japanese animation tends to be very careful with drawing allocation so it's hard to think of an overanimated scene. OP's webm is more of an awkward implementation rather than overanimation.

>>158189230
Whole season season was bad, but all animation in that scene was cringe as fuck, almost on OP level. Rotoscoping made it much worse that it would be.

>>158189269
This is actually good.

>>158192900
All the responses to this webm are retarded. This was overanimated as a joke. It was a meme. They're making fun of animators that over animate. Everyone on here is so stupid.

>>158196213
>actually good
Yeah its "good" animation. But its fucking retarded.

>>158196242
>Everyone on here is so stupid.
Everyone except me. I'm not stupid. I'm just slow. And Mexican.

>>158196242
>All the responses
Ok. Because they are super serious posts.

>>158196289
>But its fucking retarded.
How so? It's cute and such good animation showing her in 100% cuteness.

>>158189269
I don't get why people pretend to freak out over this every time.

>>158196703
Nobody's freaking out. More like finding it funny because it actually does prove that forced animation exists.

>>158182328
>>158189230
>>158189269
It's more like the animation has a lot of frames and even so looks really unnatural.

>>158189269
I don't know the context, but it merely looks like that scene is meant to be somewhat comedic and sexual in nature. It's appropriate if that's the point of the scene.

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Forced animation is only a thing with anime fans because they're too used to pretty stills or scenes with minimal movement. It doesn't help that proper character animation doesn't get as much focus as action scenes in TV anime.

>>158196777

It's more of a forced food orgasm than it is forced animation. Technically could be shitty writing rather than animation.

>Director: I want you to draw this chick having an orgasm over being fed a piece of pork
>Animator:lolok

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>>158185080
>not liking Naotoshi Shida
Shit taste desu he's one of the best animators out there.

>>158196990
that's pretty good.

Too bad the anime sucked.

>>158197028
Shida's drawing style is cool, but the undulating motion he likes to use in his cuts are pretty unappealing.

>>158196996
Nah, she ate it like she had genuine autism.

>>158189424
>people are actually falling for this pasta

really guys

>>158196990
How interesting it is to watch anime characters do something utterly mundane and boring like drinking beer, or walking around, or looking at somebody.

Space Dandy.

>>158197229
God forbid animators from breathing life into their characters through thoughtful character animation rather than leaving them as stiff mannequins.

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>>158197229
Walking is interesting, actually.

>>158186174
Are you retarded?+

>>158182328
Honestly, with rotoscoping, the problem seems to be that they make it too smooth.

Human movement isn't that smooth, in fact, we move with plenty of jerky movements. Movement looks better when there is high acceleration, because things don't move at a constant velocity.

Traditional, low frame animation actually works better often because by its nature things move faster and often have a bit of waver to them. This makes it more natural to look at.

It's why most people have a problem with 60 fps shit; most of it is too fucking smooth looking as a consequence of having more in-between frames.

>>158184274
So you can share them easily or store them with ease and eat it once in a while. Not everyone's an amerilard who has to finish all the junk food in one sitting by himself.

>>158198347
This would be true if the bag was resealable. The way it is you just end up with a ton of plastic wrappers.

>>158197229
Very. There's even an entire genre/concept around it called slice of life/ iyashikei, though you've probably never heard of it, jojofag.

>>158198347
>>158198404
Asians are super germaphobes, they even individually wrap all their pills when they get a prescription filled.

>>158189269
It's like she's never eaten before

God this show was shit

Have you guys forgotten Hand Shakers?
Now THAT is forced animation.

>>158189269
This sums up forced animation for me. A ton of movement but none of it looks good.

From what i read here?
Forced animation: Animating a scene with excessive frames of movement that didn't need it hence wasting money that could have gone animating a different scene.

Why animate a character chewing food with so much detail in a filler scene if that's gonna take budget away from animating a character fighting another character ins some ruined city in an important part of the story?

At least that's what i figured.

>>158201088
Don't know about this one. I think it was needed to show how much of a fop he was.

>>158186174
>forced animation
>literally Slideshow: the anime.

Thanks for your input, Kyoanifag. How was Monogatarikiller anyway?

>>158182561
I don't appreciate your opinion man

>>158202018
forced animation means shit prentious animation, Monogatari is literally that with pedobait.

>>158201088
This was intentionally overanimated to make those characters look like loons.

>>158197028
You've literally fallen for it.

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>>158201088
>too many animated gestures
>still has less mouth movements

just why

>>158202542
It's just two main gestures looping.

>>158182619
Speaking of rotoscoping, was the bit from the K-On!! first opening where it circles around the Keion members rotoscoped? I'm not entirely sure, but I feel like it was. https://youtu.be/Pa199JWAnco

>>158202542 see >>158202463
This part of the anime had student council members from another school that were portrayed as being absolutely ridiculous and full of shit, and the way they discussed things was just them spewing out every possible buzzword they could with no actual substance. This was intentionally done to make them look even more ridiculous.

>>158196306
https://youtu.be/a6EG5S8aVCo?t=15s

>>158201088
oh look, this guy must be an italian too

>>158189362
ah jesus christ do not defile lina