Do you ever sympathize with evil characters?

Not at all because they're mostly dumbfuckers. (Of course there is exceptions)

>muh my mum died
>muh I had a sad life
>lets kill everyone

>>158133914
sure, although its mostly at what led them to be evil - not their actions after

>>158133914
Context?

>>158134393
Kizashi. Beta turning into predator

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>>158133914
Yes, but only when they merit being sympathized with

>>158133967
>>muh my mum died
>>muh I had a sad life
>>lets kill everyone
Shaman King's Hao?

>>158133914
That looks like NTR but no, not really because as someone stated: their "sense of Justice" is warped due to them being a whiny little bitch about the shit they've gone through in life.

>>158134428
Does he tap them big tiddies? It looks like big tiddies in the bottom left.

>>158134451
It's ntr yes. But the mc is the one cucking. Doesn't change the fact he's evil

>>158133914
Kizashi's MC is super fun, he knows his cock drives bitches crazy and abuses that properly.

>>158134479
He does

>>158133914
Why are there big melons on the sitting boy?

>>158134437
>kumagawa
>Bad guy

>>158137181
She's a girl

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>>158133914
The face remind me of this bro.

>>158133914
Reverse image isn't showing anything

>>158139494
Read the fucking thread faggot

>>158134503
I like that though, it's refreshing to say the least.

>>158141585
MC not being on the receiving end of NTR is fine but he doesn't need to be an asshole about it

>>158133914
Mob Psycho 100 talking about how all villains are, at their core, bratty children who refuse to grow up really changed how I view most villains.

>>158141985
That isn't true though.

>>158141889
If you steal a girl from someone you are still an asshole either way. Better to embrace being bad than act like a nice guy.

>>158133914
Yeah.
If they aren't a complete edgelord for no real reason.

>>158134437
I never understood Kumagawa and people praise him all the time
Am I missing something?

>>158133914
I wanted to post this >>158134437
How do you define 'evil'? D&D detect evil or something?

I personally felt for Griffith during the eclipse. You have one dream, you focused your entire lifie into achieving it, but now you're useless cripple and your friends pity you.
Fuck.

>>158133914
Yeah, when they have an actual goal (like immortality), have reasons for it no matter how selfish, doesn't go too overboard just for the sake of it (evil things because you're just a jackass), and when they are competent.

>>158143335
>Am I missing something?

A minus.

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Surely you can sympathize with her?

>>158143486
Eeeh...griffith kinda got btfo by karma so...not so relateable

>>158133914
I do when authors are ware of a little detail about writing villains: it's not about making their goals "righteous", it's about making them likable.
You can have a villain who is nothing but an ambitious asshole who wants to get rich no matter what and lacks any sad, tragic backstory but still have him be so charming, dedicated and efficent that you can't help to like the guy.
You can also have a villain who is justified in his actions because of his past, goal or whatever but have him be so fucking boring and shitty that you fucking hate him.
Take Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs for example. Before future movies gave him a retarded backstory he was nothing but a murderous cannibal with no reedeming features whatsoever but even so he was so charismatic that you couldn't help cheering for him.

>>158133914
Not usually, no. They tend to have retarded motivations.

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>>158133914
Washizu deserved to win.

>>158144764
*aware

>>158144649
What is this?

>>158144873
>▶
>Image Search
>Google
Wow, so hard!

>>158133914
Depends are their actions defensible and their motivations justified then yes, are they scenery chewing hams then maybe yes but if they're the cliched "I had a hard life so I have to kill every human on earth" tier or other such bullshit then no fuck them

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>>158133914
Depends on the type of the villain, but if they have some nice sides I usually sympathize a lot.
If they're evil to the point they're too stupid and no longer relatable I will despise them

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If they give me a good enough reason to understand why a character is doing what they're doing, and he isn't just a psychopath, or an edgy shit who kills "just because" then sure.

>>158146154
Since you posted Kirei, i assume he is on the "evil to the point they're too stupid", right? I remember his entier motive being "nothing in life excites me, but murder and carnage? Oh boy, give me some of that!".

>>158146678
Fuck you, Kirei is a great villain. Arguably my favourite villain.
Initially he seems like nothing more than your run-of-the-mill edgy evil priest but then you slowly learn more about him and he ends up being an incredible character.
Even when his goal is to summon a world-ending abomination, the guy managed to be likeable.

>>158142702
It's not "stealing" if she was never his to begin with, and with how /a/ uses the term "NTR", that's usually the case

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>>158146678
Kirei is kinda an exception. He's enjoyable, especially in Zero, because he discovers what he is, but he's not someone you can relate to, and you're not supposed to.
However, he embodies well the idea of an absolute evil, someone who doesn't commit it out of hate or spite, but simply because it is his nature.
Of course I should have said that the most important thing is how the villain is explained and shown to the reader/viewer. It always affects a lot of things

>>158146768
hes likeable in the same way Gilgamesh is likable - personal charisma rather than admirable qualities

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>>158143486
>I personally felt for Griffith during the eclipse
I hope you felt disgust and hate, yes

>>158146878
But he does have admirable qualities. The guy kept himself alive even after he got his own heart crushed just for the sake of finding an answer for his existence and managed to fight a fucking Servant and win, even if it was one of the shittiest Servants.
Which goes back to what I said in >>158144764 That whole "villains must be justified to be good" logic is retarded. You can have a mass-murdering psycho who is so charismatic that you will like him even if his goals are as fucked up as they could possibly be. It's all about execution.

>>158146983
Before this whole demonic sacrifice shit started? Disgust and pity. It's really the lowest point of one's life.
He should've killed himself, though.

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>>158144764
>>158147103
True, that's something people forget. I mean take Charioce in SnB, the community is pretty much polarized between those who are under his charm, and those who try to argue he's a bad guy when he obviously did nothing wrong.
We're social animals after all, bred to obey and be charmed.

>>158147143
>He should've killed himself, though
Truer words have never been spoken

>>158133914
So is the author of this going to acknowledge the fact that the first girl noticed how much he changed and he's delusional as shit about how she's the one at fault?

Somehow i'm either expecting this to end up with him dead, or they break off from him at some point?

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>>158145501
>2016+1
>Using google search for anything anime related
I cant believe that so many shows are called cartoon network

how amazing

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>>158133914

All the time, most moralfag MC's are just naive. The "evil character" usually make the most sense.

Case and point; Koko's 'evil twin brother' in Jormungand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23sxPh-hvrs

pardon the shitty dub.

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ye

>>158133914
No, because japs don't know how to write a good villan.

>>158133914
Only when the evil characters are only labelled evil by the protagonists despite doing nothing wrong.

Like Squeaker.

>>158151839
you mean Squealer? I don't think Saki though of him as evil at the end there

Here's tips on how you make a decent villain:
> Make them have a goal with some reasons behind them.
Reminder they should be somewhat decent reasons, one does not want to die, so they are willing to sacrifice anything in order to live everlasting.
> Don't make em asshole just cause... nothing
Also, you shouldn't make em like too much of a jackass, otherwise, you're not getting evil, you're getting a motherfucking idiot.
> Don't overplay them, unless there's some sense of reasoning behind "madness"
You get a cartoonish villain that way, the bad kind.
> Make them competent.
This is good way to make sure they are not useless whatsoever
> Make sure they give some challenge to the protagonist or good guys.
They are an actual threat.
> Don't be like Mojo-jo-jo and be all like "I, Mojo-jo-jo explain my entire plan or scenario like some motherfucking idiot right in front of the opponent"
This is self-explanatory. This is stupid.
> Don't talk and stand like a motherfucking idiot in the middle of fighting.
This applies to all series (FMA did this shit plenty of times).
> Don't tell your weakness to the enemy.
You all know this. FMA is even guilty of this.
> Don't give them backstory drop out of nowhere, especially before they die.
This is shallow way of showing depth to any character.
Have these elements and tips in mind and you might make a decent villain overall.

>>158134437
>I DESERVE SUCCESS IT'S NOT FAIIIIIIIIRRRRR

>>158152638
>Don't make em asshole just cause... nothing
That works great for DIO though

>>158153756
You just don't make em into a bitch of a character for nothing basically. Overall, those kinds of villains, appearance-wise, they may be entertaining, but looking at them in retrospect, those are not really good villain.

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>>158149122
Damn an 'evil' mc is so satisfying.

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>>158133914
yes.

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>>158133914
Surprisingly, the anime and manga i've consumed are not on par as far as villains go. I'm sure I've had my fair share of compassion for some HxH guys with the spider troupe, klk before you realize who the good guys are, or Shieldeyes 21. but overall villians are only meant to hype up the heroes in anime which is pretty shit

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>Evil due to fetish
The worst type of villain

>>158149122
I really liked the tiger arc where he played the anti-hero role due to circumstances. He's the most evil MC I've ever seen in a Manga everywhere else so the contrast was incredible.

>>158154995
But it is the most believable.

>>158155074
If you got boners from untying people's shoe laces would you do it?

>>158155318
how would you turn evil from untying shoe laces?

>>158133914
Only if it's female.

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>>158133914
When the MC is so unlikable it makes you want to root for the villain. You want them to succeed because the MC is so preachy/boring/perfect/overpowered.

I don't know if that counts though.

>>158155891
>have ability to untie people's shoe laces
>do so to random people you pass by
>occasionally they trip and fall
>this can result in serious injury if there are environmental hazards
You could kill a lot of people by causing them to trip down stairs, into traffic, off bridges, onto sharp corners, etc.

I almost always sympathize with the villains because they're mostly friendless losers who are going to lose in the end anyway. I don't care if they're justified or not, I can understand and sympathize with them.

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>>158133914
Provided they're actually written like people and not props, yeah. Even ones as extremely autistic as this guy.

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based on his development in Heaven's Feel

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I really hate the "villains have to believe they are doing the right thing to be good" faggots. No they don't, some people are just selfish pieces of shit who are willing to do anything to achieve personal goals. Think of the kind of person who makes bait or tries to troll people. Those people don't believe they're doing it for the greater good, they're doing it because fucking with people is entertaining. That shitty ass chart needs to be deleted form existence.

>>158158768
>I like my villains one dimensional Saturday morning cartoons

>>158158654
>implying Pucci is evil
He just wanted people to not have to feel as shit as he did. Sure trying to force absolute precognition on every living thing in the universe with no way to change their future is just as likely to do the exact opposite for most people, but DIO literally handed him the secret to overcoming fate on a platter just for being his only friend and he'd be a retard to not try and use it for the betterment of humanity.

>>158158867
No, I just think villains who are secretly moralfags are the worst. It's always so fucking forced too.

>>158158904
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

>>158158964
But the throne of hell isn't.

>>158146777
>in a relationship
>but no one "owns" you

Kill yourself, you're the reason no one takes relationships seriously anymore

>>158158867
Saturday morning cartoon villains are bad because they are boring, personality-less punching bags for the hero to beat up. A well written villain has a well written character, personality, and is interesting to watch. Goals have nothing to do with whether or not an antagonist is a "good villain". Sure, trying to write a villain with complex goals us usually a sign and catalyst for a good character, but it is by no means necessary. In fact, the goal is completely irrelevant, the most important quality is that they have good interactions with the other characters.

>>158142211
Are you retarded? It is true. I bet you didn't even watch the show you filthy slime ball

>>158151839

History will decide who is right & he lost. I think the series did a good job of portraying that fact, because no one really thinks of themselves as the "bad guy" realistically. People can become misguided & delusional, but usually it's because they were pursuing a cause that they thought was noble in the first place.

Squealer literally & figuratively challenged gods, lost and then had to face the consequences. You could say he was "right", but that doesn't change the fact that we aren't reading the losing side's story.

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>>158133914
Rarely. Blatant evil of the sort that usually makes a character a good antagonist is incredibly stupid and unsympathetic by design. It's hard to feel for a guy who brings about his own downfall by being a huge dick to everyone when he could have easily just not been an asshole and avoided the whole thing.

>>158159632
This is completely false. A villain can be completely selfish and self-serving and still be sympathetic if done right.
It's as easy as going from "I fuck other people other because I want power" to "I am extremely ambitious and wish to to rise above the rest of the world and for that I'm willing to got to any lenghts needed".
You don't need to agree with a villain to like him or relate with him. I would even say that the villains who represents our darker side or show what could happen to a mere human who goes too far are the best. That's why I fucking hate it when a story has nothing but villains with sob stories that justify their evilness despite the fact that IRL there are people who were raised in decent families and had no traumatic or life-changing experiences and still choose to be fucking assholes.

The best protagonist-antagonist dynamic is when neither of them are strictly good or evil, when both of them want exactly the opposite of the other, yet can't win, but must never lose.

Best example of this I've seen is Nier: Gestalt and the Cold War

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>>158161421
>the Cold War

>>158133914
I'm starting to sympathize more with villains than with heroes at this point. I can better understand why people with power or authority would choose to abuse it for their own interests.