Miyazaki was right

>>158111500
There's tons of cg in that new caterpillar movie of his

>>158111500
He's always right.

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>>158111500
>computer-phobia

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>>158111661
>Not being appropriately scared of computers

the full documentary in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs1sLnaq4xk

>>158111500
Miyazaki is just an old man spouting shit about how the old days were better. Of course hand-drawn animation looks better than bad CG, it's been like that since the 90's and will continue to do so for a while. CG has always be notorious for being used by lazy people to trade quality in exchange for a lesser monetary and time cost.

Being afraid of computers because most people utilize them wrong is fucking stupid. Look at the ways people are able to increase the fps of anime through frame interpolation and shit, look at how good CG can be used to make fight scenes much more smooth. He unironically needs to actually retire and stop caring so much

Seems like Miyazaki tried using a cheappo resistive touchscreen like 30 years ago and never bothered keeping up with technology

>>158111928
Fight scenes are stupid and people who spend their lives masturbating to the screen have lost their humanity.

Let me guess. The webm is just putting false words to what that Miamoto Musashi dude says.

>>158111928
>motion interpolation
>fight scenes
You have to go /v/ack

>>158112085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsxx92lFL1o

I don't think it's art if you have to use a computer.

>>158112209
Hope you don't like anything from Pixiv

>>158112239
It's interesting but I haven't seen anything I'd describe as art on there. My standards are absurdly high though.

People in anime are using CG in a completely wrong way.

Instead of using 3D models and rendering them, the ideal CG program outputs raw pixels directly. This is where vision AI research done by Facebook or Google is going.

>>158112169
You posted the wrong one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUF9c8oXk08 is where OPs is from.

>>158112354
Google, facebook and USA government spent billions of dollars in that garbage
The only thing they use is to gather info about users and sell to marketing companies
This is done for decades

Good cel shading > Good digital shading

Bad cel shading < Bad digital shading

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>>158111500
What a fucking idiot. He's not even a good director or animator. I hate this pretentious old pedophile.

Why did Dezaki have to die while this absolute hack of shitstain still lives? Fuck this gay Earth.

The facebook project is to create a computer than can read everything that goes on screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=77&v=-CRJLam3BNc

You open a picture of a pizza and a computer voice says "There is a pic of a pizza"
It's no use for blind people, it's just a waste of money

>>158111500
>old man waxes nostalgically about how much better things were in the old days and how shit everything is today.

>>158111500
The interviewer isn't even looking at Miyazaki half the time. Was she trembling in the glory of Japanese Colonel Sanders?

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>>158112598
>develop a program who's end goal is clearly to develop visual understanding as a precursory component to general level AI, something which would be the most significant development in human history
>but it's not helping the blind so it's a waste of money

>>158112726
The girl is the translator dummy.

>>158112598
They just say it's for the blind when really they want to enslave us all to their robot overlords

>>158111500
>be a luddit

>>158112354
>>158112354
As in, feed a model hand drawn training data and let it "fill in the blanks"?

Might be a fun little project for me to test out.

>>158112486
>>158112598
>I don't know dick about machine learning

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>>158111500
With how much he hates CG, I was wondering if the Kemono Friend's sales numbers were going to make Miyazaki finally commit sudoku.

>>158113055
Miyazaki doesn't give a fuck about the industry apart from his movies

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I think japs are using computers the wrong way to begin with, which is why people like Miyazaki don't have good opinions of them.

The whole point of a computer is that it does things completely differently from traditional handdrawing. It renders thousands of objects effortlessly without you having to draw them one by one. It can render 60fps with a simple setting change without you having to draw 3 times more frames. The only challenge is the model animations, how to make them move in a natural way that doesn't look complete shit. The problem is japs limit their CG to 20fps in a retarded attempt to recreate the "anime effect" and don't put any effort in the animation itself, which as a result they shit out stuff like Berserk 2016

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Meanwhile in Studio Ghibli...

>>158113353
He shut down the CG division, they still use digital coloring

>>158113353
god you're a fucking dumbass
I hope retards like you have brain damage

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>>158113353

>>158112209
Nice opinion, also
>putting art on a pedestal

I still just think 3d anime looks awkward as fuck. Even Appleseed, which is probably one of better looking ones out there, just had a strange and empty feeling to it that traditional animation doesn't suffer from. 3d, I think, just draws way too much attention to the medium.

>>158111500

>artists in charge of technology and evolution of society

nothing to see here, folks.

>>158111500
Colonel Sanders needs to be wheeled off into the sunset already

>>158112598
>You open a picture of a pizza and FBI brakes your door even if you didn't save it or anything
FTFY

>>158114183
>brakes
Well, maybe you should tell your door to slow the fuck down then

This doesn't really say anything about technology as much as it is says about Miyazaki's ineptitude in regards to using it.

Literally EVERY other animator on the planet thinks computer animation is laughably easier than hand-drawn animation, not to mention cheaper.

It's like an old man trying to figure out how iPhones work.

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>>158111500

>>158112239
Pixiv is just japanese deviantart you stupid pleb

>>158111500
>animators who weren't that good to start get lousier and lousier in drawing
He's right yeah

>>158112528
If he keeps smoking he'll eventually get the super lung cancer that killed Dezaki too.

>>158111500
Overrated hack with shitty boring movies. Go hug a tree.

>>158112354
you're retarded

>>158111904
>All those people he knows dying suddenly in their 70s
What the fuck? I thought the Japs were supposed to be long lived.

>>158112528
>Dezaki

He's a good director but seriously, which of his works actually compare to what old man Miyazaki has pulled off?

>>158111500
Haven't seen the whole thing, but I agree with that at least. Wish more people would do it, but I think that's an unrealistic request.

>>158111500
Did he even do any good shows/movies recently?
Why can't he just retire for real?

>>158112528
You're a lunatic

>>158116894
We can only hope

>>158117511
Why so edgy?

>>158117544
moefags are underage crossboarders.

>>158117577
I don't get where this "Miyazaki hates moe" thing came from. Heck, I don't get where any of the things people say about Miyazaki come from. Can't possibly be that fake "anime was a mistake" quote.

>>158117377
He's a fucking arrogan attention whore who lives for and knows that if he ever stops working he'll sink into irrelevance

>>158117675
Careful there, m8 any more buzzwords and you might break something

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>>158117675
Don't know, anon, cute girls are pretty good to look at.

>>158117687
I think his career's at the point where he's a permanently relevant figure, like any great director.

>>158117377
A single frame of one of his movies is better than 10 of your seasonal crap, moefag.
>>158117720
>>158117707
>>>/v/

>>158117744
But /v/ likes manime.

>>158117744
Nice bait my friend, but you can upvote here, i recommend you stay on reddit.

>>158112347

A computer is just a tool, same as any other instrument you might use to create a drawing, painting, sculpture, etc. The only difference is that computers are capable of generating things, and some people abuse that in place of using actual skill. A computer can be just as basic and primitive as drawing with a pencil or paintbrush if you avoid automated tasks. Making the use of one at all a metric for artistic skill is as arbitrary as saying something like "I don't believe it's art if you have to use a paintbrush instead of implying colors through careful shading with a pencil," etc.

>>158117744
>uses the terms "moefag" unironically
>tells others to go back to /v/
Come on man, at least try to be subtle

it that butthurt about kemono firiends?

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>>158111928
Pretty much this. A computer is a tool, that's all it is. Not knowing how to use one and saying it sucks because you don't know how to use it is idiotic.

I know he has the work to back it up, but man Miyazaki uses every bit of the reputation he has earned to trash other peoples' work and glorify his own. If anyone else talked like he does, they'd be seen as incredibly conceited. I get that he has earned it, but there's something a little disgraceful about how he uses that reputation of his to shit all over how everyone else does things.

>>158112780
it's not helping the blind you leftist fuck it's just a retard marketing scam ''Dude we americans AI made in California xD
Blind people don't even buy these gadgets

>>158117848
kemono is not moefaggotry, it is deep, trash like oreimo and keion are killing anime
>>158117765
>>158117822
>>158117839
>>>/v/

>>158111573
>new caterpillar movie of his
?

Was he actually good, or was he just the only one to own a studio so he kept getting shit made?
I believe the second.

>>158118619
He is/was working on a short film about a caterpillar that involved CGI is some form

>>158111928
>fight scenes

fuck off shounenfaggot

>>158119045
>I authentically enjoy non-comedic slice of life
This sorta trash ought to also be right up your alley, fanfiction.net

>>158119193
You have to go back

>>158119406
But I'm a 7th generation germanic... I don't want to go back to the hellhole my ancestors left.

>>158118403
He was saying that doesn't matter, you retard.

>>158121232
He want to die during his working

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>>158111500
wHE NTHAT FUCKER SAYS THSINS GS LIKE THAT IT MKES ME WANNA BOMB JAPAN

>>158111928
>Look at the ways people are able to increase the fps of anime through frame interpolation and shit,

It looks fucking terrible 9 times out of 10.

>>158111904
Watched this yesterday on tv. Kinda felt sorry for those animators and cg staff who must've had such big expectations for working with the man but end up realizing he's just a senile grumpy old man who is passed his prime.

>>158116581
No he isn't. Most japanese animators still work on paper, computers are usually used only in the last stages (ink&paint and coloring) wich have nothing to do with the quality of the animation itself.
And while his critic about the computer tool does have some merits (it's true that the computer methodology can have some harmful effects on how one works), good animators have no problems with it because they are aware of it.

>>158117377
There's been a job offer for gaijin assistant-animators for his "last" movie going around. So he's doing more work.

>>158115209
Yeah, some who work on computer for too long do miss paper eventually. But overall everyone agrees that working on computer, even if the animation is still hand-drawn (like on paper), is infinitely faster and more comfortable.
The only "good" thing about paper, is that you can't go back as easily and thus have to put more effort into planning things ahead, wich is a great exercice, but it's the only thing paper has on computer.

>>158112088
>>158119045
Good lord moefags are pure cancer

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>people actually listen to colonel sanders

Didn't this retard say that he didn't like CGI animation because his friend was a retarded cripple or something?

>>158121956
>I watch mature anime for mature people like myself.
Lel

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>>158122040
>colonel sanders
holy fuck i totally see it

>>158122040
Nah, some people where trying to use AI for animation by trying to teach it to walk and giving it a 3D model. Of course the process wasn't done yet so the result was just a 3D model crawling in a gross and creepy way. When they presented their idea to Miyazaki, they said that at this stage they could sell it to horror game devs and shit like that, and that latter on they wanter to use it for animation.

Then Colonel Sanders went on about "muh cripple friend" "I strongly feel this is an insult to humanity itself" "muh people don't have faith in them anymore". It was fucking pathetic.

>>158122053
>I watch unrealistic situations where unrealistic women can fill my loneliness and nule sex life.
lel

>>158122205
>i post on 4chan

You've lost already. What are you even arguing about?

>>158122205
>he still thinks that shounen are real
Under age /v/tard, i...
>implying i care about sexual inter course with ladies.
You are new or something.

>>158121952
Why can't people do what the Community GI Joe parody did and add grain to everything?

>>158117034
That's a myth created by how Japan counts people as dead. You have to have a doctor come and declare you dead for it to be logged in the governmental records. As such, many people have relatives die at old ages and try to scam the government for their equivalent of social security.
Old loners with no family also don't get pronounced dead until someone notices. There have been horror stories from landlords walking into rented properties when auto-withdrawal fails, only to find that the tenant has been dead for months.

>>158111500
He is old and irrelevant.
Nihon Animator Mihonichi, this is what future looks like.

>>158111928
>caring about your passion is for faggots
We've reached peak /a/.

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The man isn't wrong about most things

Even though I'm sure he'd hate me, the man's views on the world are pretty close to my own. So no matter how much he chews out the industry I can't be mad at him, because he's mostly right

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Reactionaries will never stop the march of Progress.

>>158125116
...please don't tell me that's from Berserk.

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>>158125262
Stop resisting and accept the future.

>>158125262
It's not from Berserk

Secretly, it is, tho

/v/ has this exact same thread
>>>/v/379142086

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>>158111500
>webgen BTFO by Miyazaki

>>158117912
He never mention that he doesn't know how to use one, he did a good point though, but he is half wrong, why ,for starters, hire a bad animator or why you don't force him to get better instead of disbanding a whole section,

>>158111500
All these faggots in the thread getting mad at him when he's right.

So if he's wrong you're telling me you all must love Berserk: Band of the Clang.

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>>158125328
AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>158111500
the typical " New Media Are Evil" guy.

the efficient workflow and versatility of computers have spawned the false assumption that any mistakes can be fixed with software, and an environment where animators are expected to be even more productive. but that shifts the focus from artistic ability to quantity of production.

and since anime requires such a large and diverse group of people and the budget to support them, commercial interests take priority over artistic ones.

ghibli really was special in anime, regardless what you think about miyazaki or his opinions or his productions. hes definitely correct here.

>>158111500

He's not wrong. But at the same time technology has saved animation. The process is so time-consuming and skill-intensive that most animators are begging for something that makes the process easier. As big as Disney is now, they had some major financial problems when they were making Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty, because how the production costs started getting out of hand.

Computers are just extensions of the same "efficiency"-policy that first came up with "inbetweeners" for animators, and later on the large Xerox-copying machines which saved a lot of time in finalizing the production, special effects and putting it together, at the cost of more crude look for the films.

Its essentially what happened when publishing books became easier, or when calculators became a common thing. Suddenly a lot of people thought they'd become good writers or good mathematicians with that technology alone. When in reality they're useful tools for the already skilled writers and mathematicians.

>>158118534
>shitting on K-on
>>>/v/

>>158119535
out of /a/

>>158125450
Why don't you give example of actually good full CG series such as Frame Arms Girls or Kemono Friends

>>158117744
>when you need to pretend so hard to look 'adult'

must be hard denying your own feelings

>>158111928
Interpolation looks like shit.

>>158112347
Your standards are also arbitrary and born of ignorance so keep that dumb shit to yourself.

Hes mistaking the awkward transition for traditional artists as a fundamental problem with digital. Kids who grew up with digital overcome these issues and eventually produce better images.
Typical old man shortsighted BS.

>>158124973
That's a great example of how bad the future looks.

>>158111500
>old guy has opinion about computers
I'm sure this will have no bias rooted in his inability to use or understand them, no siree. Everything really just was better was better in his day.

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>>158111762
just turn off the screen nigga

>>158111500
Can one of his work sales more than Frozen?
Even in Japan?

>>158133978
What has sales got to do with anything?

>>158112528
I know you're right but we on /a/ like to pretend to actually enjoy Miyazaki's children movies to see people like you respond. It's just a game to us. We don't actually watch his movies unless we need our insomnia cured

>>158113810
>you're just a dumbass
Holy fucking shit how mad are you? You got blown the fuck out.

>>158117377
>recently
Did he ever?

>>158111500
Why are they sat inside a red room from Twin Peaks?

Has there been ANY info at all concerning his "last" new film?

According to >>158111904 he wants to complete it before the Olympics plus he's willing to recruit gaijins for the project.

>>158135007
Of course.

>>158135400
Sorry I didn't realize I was talking to a special adult. I'm sorry for latching out.

>>158135451
Latching

>>158118788
Short film is complete, now he's working on a new feature (his last one for real this time you guys) that may or may not be an expanded version of the short

>old fuck who hates anything new and has the theme of humans working in harmony with nature overcoming technology in every single one of his movies doesn't like computers

Wow stop the fucking presses.

I wish Ghibli would release their animated shorts in the west.

>>158135360
no detail of plot or art. Production is estimated to be around 3 years. That's all we know.