Will moeshit die one day? Will it be remembered as just

Are you posting this from 2002?

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>>158064948

>moe started in the 2000s

>implying it wasn't all moe when Japan ripped off Betty boop character design concept

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nope

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>>158064948
no you underage faggot now fuck off to reddit

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>>158064948

>Will moeshit die one day?
Hopefully not.

>>158064948
>early 2000s fad
If you mean early 21st century, maybe.

>>158068947
>people have been greentexting since 1994

Is it summer already?

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>>158070138
people have been using that for bulletpoints and such for even longer

>>158070551
>still believing summerfags exist

>>158070694

I'm seeing at least half a dozen "why is modern anime all moeshit where's my MANime" threads per day. Normally it's not that high.

>>158068654
>moe = cute
You're retarded.

>>158070816
Might have something to do with the fact that /m/ has been compromised it is was opperationally MANime central.

>>158070858
who infiltrated?

>>158064948
More importantly, in the future when we get old and are about to die, will you guys remember these shitposting days about moeshit or the first time you said " that girl a shit"

>>158070841

That's not what he said. But also, I doubt you know what moe is either.

>>158071013
The image shows two cute girls and implies that means they're both moe. If that isn't what he meant with his picture then he shouldn't have used it, which again means he's retarded.

>>158070960
The going theory is that one of the mods is a shitposter who hates Zeta so much he made 21 threads over one weekend; this combined with felcherfag//y/nerfag/anti-Chrisfag's continuing faggotry has all but made the board a cesspool of a few autists routinely bumping threads that no one wants but can't do anything about.

>>158070841
I literally want you to define moe right now.

>>158071004
Nah I already forgot about the old sites I used to shitpost on.

>>158071004
No I'm awful at remembering good moments in my life.

>>158071004
I've only ever shitposted here. The one other forum I use is more or less compromised by SJW/Facebook types and while its nice to subtly irritate certain users its not nearly worth the trouble of having my Veteran account slung through shit.

>>158071079
Moe in the general sense is a subjective feeling of a pathological love directed at a character. This feeling can be of a protective nature due to a sense of innocence of the character, but can also have an undertone of eroticism. When people apply the term to shows themselves, they are referring to shows that intentionally try to provoke this feeling by creating characters most likely to appeal to "moe sensibilities".

Next you're going to tell me how I'm wrong without pointing out anything specifically or offering an alternative definition.

>>158071079
Uh, moe is like when you look at a character and think "that's so moe!"

I think.

>>158064948
it's the ultimate form of anime though
name one thing wrong with it

>>158071203
>implying
No, that's actually pretty good. But now I'm just wondering how you would define cute.

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>>158071062

What is moe. Please enlighten us.

>>158071324
If it's cute it's cute. Simple shit.

>>158068947
Reading the rant about family anime and the post mentioning Lupin back to back is kind of a weird experience. Mainly in that the second, more family-friendly Lupin III anime is what really got popular back in the day.

>>158068947
The way he talks about Gundam is strange. He refers to it as some kind of long constantly running thing. Sure, 50 episodes is long comparatively but they all had a planned endpoint and there's not filler. Each entry really isn't different from the rest of anime except being a large franchise. 0079 was the one to randomly hit a wider audience but otaku are increasingly the support behind each new show.

>>158071203
How does an anime focused on an innocent, optimistic young girl not intentionally try to appeal to your protective nature?

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>>158071203

There is no set definition for moe because no one, even in Japan, can identify when or where the term came from. The leading theories are that it either came from fans giving a pet name to Tomoe from Sailor Moon or a general catch all term popularized on the internet in the late 90s. Both of these are plausible because the Japanese have a tendency to make shortened names for popular things (even when the original name is already short like in the Tomoe example).

But beyond this, still no one can define what moe actually is. Especially since it has become so generalized that it can be applied to anything from a cute girl to a personality type to all of KyoAni's shows. Your definition is just one of many under the generalized umbrella. Like the term 'casual' in gaming, moe has become so generalized its pointless now.

And if we're just going by popular consensus, more people would identify moe as being related to general cuteness than your definition.

>>158071624
We don't know where the word "fuck" came from exactly but we all know what it means. Most people probably don't know where the vast majority of words came from but we all know how to use them. Ambiguous etymology doesn't distort the definition, which is extremely clear to non retards unlike yourself. This """problem""" of the definition of moe is almost entirely localized to the English-speaking fan base.

>>158071618
The defining characteristic I would say is the pathological obsessive nature of it. I think we can understand the difference even if I don't point to an explicit example of it, the same way we can intuitively know the difference between erotic art and hardcore pornography even if our intuition isn't 100% correct.

>>158071624
Sure we can make an appeal to ambiguity but I refer again to my point above. We may not have a scientific precision to accurately describe what we're talking about, but most people can feel a difference between say K-On and Idol Densetsu Eriko, and not simply because they're two different shows from two different decades.

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Moe means plan.

>>158069151
came here to say this

>>158071808
>pathological obsessive nature
Armchair psychology.

>>158071808
>K-On and Idol Densetsu Eriko
One is a drama, and the other is a SoL. Eriko was also far more sexualized in her show, unlike the keions. Kind of deflates your whole pathological eroticism angle, Freud.

>>158071937
You've managed to say absolutely nothing of substance. Congratulations.

>>158071989
Neither did you. The difference is I didn't manage to sound both clueless and pretentious at the same time while doing it.

>>158064948
With so many anime being made, there's always gonna be room in any given season for it.

>>158071806

>Ambiguous etymology doesn't distort the definition
I didn't say it did. But me pointing out that moe is such an overused and generalized word does.

>which is extremely clear to non retards unlike yourself.

In other words "my definition is the one true definition and only stupid people disagree with me." Once you lower yourself to such a comment, then you have no argument. Because now I can just claim anything and call you dumb in response.

Learn to argue, retard.

>>158072053
No you managed to miss the point entirely. First of all I wasn't trying to make a diagnosis, the same way when someone explains the elements of a romance novel which makes your first point entirely off base. Secondly, no shit Eriko and K-On are two different shows in two different genres, that's not my point, and whether or not Eriko is sexualized or not isn't the point either. The point is both shows revolve around cute young girls but their intended relationship with the viewer (from the creator's point of view) is different. One is intentionally moe the other isn't. Whether or not you have feelings of moe towards Eriko or not is another question, because you can have those feelings for anyone. The point is one was made through the lens of a certain subculture that has embraced moe which is what gives it it's particular sensibilities.

You couldn't have missed the point harder if you tried.
>The difference is I didn't manage to sound both clueless and pretentious
Are you fucking serious? I'm literally laughing.

How is it an early 2000s fad if it is still going fairly strong in 2017

>>158072226
>I wasn't trying to make a diagnosis
No one said you were diagnosing individuals. Who are you arguing with? Armchair psychology is just an insult to throw at people who try to psycho-analyze anything, despite not reading any literature related to the field. e.g. (You)

>One is intentionally moe the other isn't.
What a completely obtuse and unsubstantiated difference after your already vague definition of moe. How do you know Eriko isn't intentionally moe? She provokes the viewer's protective nature while appealing to an underlying eroticism. Do you think that's all by coincidence?

>I'm literally laughing.
Damn, I really got under your skin.

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Can't wait for anti-moe fad to rise.

>>158072408

Seriously, don't even joke about that. Japan is pretty much the last place in the world where it's acceptable to like cute things. If Japan falls to the SJW and identity politics crap, the whole world is fucked.

>>158072367
Another post with literally no substance. Why don't you stop bothering to waste space and just right "nu-uh" over and over again? You'd get the same effect.
> psycho-analyze
Sorry the words "pathological" and "obsessive" are too technical for you. Maybe if I wrote in retard you'd understand. When someone tells you you're mad do you immediately jump on their case and call them an airmchair psychologist? I'm willing to bet you do because that's the kind of annoying person you present yourself to be. You're so fucking retarded I don't even know why I keep replying so this will be my last one. Thanks for wasting my time.

Animation = moe, even Disney started with moe.

>>158072231
This. To solve the moeshit problem you have to solve the Javanese workaholic culture. You think a slave wants to watch some grimdark crap after work? Get real.

when was the last super successful pure CGCDT series like K-On anyway (as in no bombastic gimmicks like tanks and warships)?

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>>158072470
>literally no substance
Try addressing the distinction between the creator intentions behind Eriko versus K-ON! instead of just repeating this ad nausea.

>Sorry the words "pathological" and "obsessive" are too technical for you
No, they're just being incorrectly applied in an extremely subjective way. Go ahead and explain how the feelings elicited by Yui are pathological, while those elicited by Eriko aren't.

>immediately jump on their case
>that entire tantrum
You are one sensitive faggot.

>>158071203
>sexualizing moe
daily reminder that there is a special place in hell waiting for you

>>158072549
Super successful? There are few anime that reach K-ON's success in any genre. There's been a few popular enough to get more than two seasons though.

>>158072231

It's not an early 200s thing either. Cute girls were a thing in anime since the 1960s. And a thing in anime since the 1800s. It's just a part of their culture.

so no one is actually defending dark, edgy anime ITT, right?

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>>158072549

>CGCDT series like K-On

I don't even know what this means so I can't answer you. But there's stuff like Working!!

>>158072878
Don't you want your cool MANIME with blood and stuff?

>>158072920
but i want pretty girls doing dumb things that would be considered 100% cringe IRL

>>158072902
you don't know what CGDCT means?

>>158072953
Too bad, here's some fujoshit.

>>158072447
>If Japan falls to the SJW and identity politics crap, the whole world is fucked.
What the fuck is this stupid ass comparison? What does moe have to do with libtards? Most of the anti sjw shit I've seen from Japan has not been moe. Cross Ange anyone?

>>158073005
I don't think it was anti-anything
I'm pretty sure Japan just doesn't care about that kind of crap.

>>158073072
Same thing.

And Japan is starting to care. They will be the last ones to care, but eventually they will care.

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>>158071806
You have a very good point and I don't want to sound like a smart-ass but we do know the origin of "fuck".

>During the 1300s, King Edward III feared the further spread of the Black Death among the population so he instated an edict that demanded those who wished to have children would gain consent from him (obviously to make sure they weren't plagued). Those who were granted permission to do so would be required to display a sign somewhere on their property that read "Fornicating Under Consent of King". Soon, those who were "fucking" were loathed due to jealousy of those who didn't meet the King's requirements, which gave the term its negative connotation.

>>158073005

>What does moe have to do with libtards?
It's pointing out that the west would never allow a show that focuses on cute girls or really much of anything cute. Since those specific people would complain. The only acceptable way to depict a woman is exactly like a man.

This idea has basically taken over all of North America, Europe and half of Asia. If it spreads to Japan and South America as well, then all of media will become as sterile as Star Wars.

>>158073292
Your point is still absolutely asinine

>>158073072
careful. the olympics are coming up soon

>>158073554

And I hope Japan goes all out and throws anime at the world. Not trying to hide it like they did at Nagano. As long as they don't throw out a bunch of Yuri and hentai, it will be a huge positive. Because there's entire demographics that anime appeals to that are being completely ignored in the west. And if enough people in the west start jumping over to anime instead of the latest generic Transformers/Star Wars movie, it could only be a good thing.

>>158073811
no it wouldn't, nigger

>>158073811
>wanting the general public to pollute the anime fanbase

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>>158068654
>implying Akazukin Chacha is moe

are you sure about that?

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>>158073952

No one said Japan has to start catering to the westerners. But a much higher amount of people buying your product will lower costs and increase availability. Which is exactly what Japan is moving towards. Releasing a lot of their shows with English subtitles and getting other countries to pass laws to block piracy.

The movement towards anime becoming truly international has already begun. Advertising is just the final step.

>>158074039
>No one said Japan has to start catering to the westerners.
That's exactly what you're asking them to do. You just don't realize it. If shit like CR actually made up a huge portion of a publisher/studio's revenue and they said their viewers responded negatively to the latest CGDCT, then they'd be more hesitant to make another.

>The movement towards anime becoming truly international has already begun.
So it'll become sanitized and devoid of personality. Great, faggot.

>>158071062
If you haven't seen that image before than you are new.

>>158073953
Chacha is extremely moe.

>>158074323

Once again, Japan doesn't have to cater to the west. Japanese video games didn't completely focus on the west after seeing western sales sales overtake domestic sales. Only specific companies like Konami and Square did. And they paid for it over time, gradually learning their lesson.

It's perfectly fine to be weary that some anime studios would try to cater to the west. But the change to a wider market is already happening. So instead of getting mad at the messenger, send letters to the Japanese publishers and tell them not to start making shows that pander to the west.

>>158074462
>Nintendo
>DoA not even being released in the US to avoid controversy

>and they paid for it over time.
By becoming extremely successful?

Fuck off, I'm going to shame and bully every nerd openly liking anime from now on.

>>158074519

I don't even know what game you're referring to with DoA. Unless you mean Dead or Alive. And that's run by Tecmo. And it was released, on PS4 and PC of all platforms. Wii U also got an even gorier version of Ninja Gaiden III.

And to extend the comparison further, a few anime shows being held back because of dumb decisions by production companies while the majority get a region free international release is still better than what we have now. A handful of shows getting released on the whim of distributors.

>Fuck off, I'm going to shame and bully every nerd openly liking anime from now on.
I think you meant 'as I was already doing'. Not 'from now on.'

>>158064948
hopefully I'll go first

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>>158064948
I wish we could go back to the 90s when we had mature manly anime like Trigun, Escaflowne and Di Gi Charat desu

>>158073386

Please tell me you don't actually believe this.

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>>158072549
>>158072826
Love Live.

>>158071203
No, moe refer to the feeling experienced by viewers when characters perform or being something that is really enlightening.

>>158078156
Not CGDCT.
More of a sports/drama show.

>>158072549
k-on was a landmark series so probs not

>>158071257
theres no plot or fights its so fuckin boring.....

>>158064948
Reminder that the girls in Azumanga Daioh would be all christmas cakes now.

>>158068654
it did though.

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>>158071624
his definition is the correct one and people who think it means something else haven't experienced true moe feelings.

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>>158064948

seriously though, I was so happy when that weird cat approached her and was friendly

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Could Ranma 1/2 be considered a progenitor of moe?

>>158083473
No you stupid cunt.

>>158083473
Yes you stupid cunt.

>>158083465
even happier was when they reunited somehow