Art House Anime

>I literally don't have a single fucking clue what arthouse means
Kill yourself is my favorite one, OP.

>>157662935
He's been trying to force this for a while now, in phases. Possibly changes in medication.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22art%20house%22/type/op/

>>157663155
i'm the guy who usually makes these and i didn't make this one

It seems like you are defining "arthouse" as anything that is a combination of unusual art style, trying to be deep or has interesting directorial choices. "Most creative" or something like that would probably be a better title.

If you really want the equivalent of art house for anime you should be looking at shorts created by independent animators like Koji Yamamura and such. The only thing really fitting the description on there is Rain Town which I think was a student film by Hiroyasu Ishida before he went to work at Colorido.

>>157664332
Are these actual favourites or did you just throw it together to put in 3x3 threads to enrage people who won't know any of the works or be able to even recognise the artists?

>>157662797
>no Maid Dragon
This image would actually be more accurate if it was simply a list of KyoAni anime released in this decade.

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If it aired on TV, it isn't "arthouse".

>>157662797
>Kyo ani

>>157662797
Can't say I understand the theme of this chart

>>157665242
I think he is misusing the term arthouse as bait or genuinely thinks that arthouse means the same as what people say when they say "artsy" to describe an anime.

>>157665309
I hope he didn't waste too much time making it

>>157665373
Actually thinking about it more it's probably just "anime I think are of greater artistic value than other anime over this time period".

Fave Five:

- Aku no Hana
- Kyousougiga
- Wolf Children
- Ping Pong
- Space Dandy

Also, is arthouse some sort of new genre?

>>157662797
>K-On!!

kek

>>157664885
Stop deluding yourself, I've been into anime for only seven years and I recognize all of those.

>>157665806
Arthouse anime has been around ever since the 1970's, maybe even 1960's.

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I don't think art house and anime work. It'll be like making a live action version of K-on.

>>157665912
Ah, I see. I'll look into it some more then.

>>157665912
How do you define it?

>>157665912
What exactly is arthouse? Isn't arthouse supposed to be just independent productions? That would disqualify tv.

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>>157662797
>that chart

>>157665887
What are you even talking about? The majority of posters on this board never watch anything made by independent animators. It's really a stretch to even call it anime given how separate it is culturally.

>>157666873
I don't know what everyone has watched on this board, but charts with independent animation get posted here often, people post them in 3x3 threads and each time there's a new short that's out people will post about it. If someone has been here for over a year and hasn't seen any independent animation it would be because they chose to consciously. So it's their fault if they don't recognize shorts like this:
>>157664332
Claiming that the guy somehow intentionally made a chart with works that are hard to recognize just reeks of insecurity and arrogance.

>>157662797
Gundam is my favorite arthouse

>>157662797
>no The Wind Rises
>no Mushishi Zoku Shou

>>157667170
Or you know its just the kind of thing that people on 4chan would do. In the 3x3 threads such 3x3s often get a mocking or outright hostile response from many posters. There are only a few people in those threads with any interest in them at all and on this board. When there is a conversation involving them its quite often easy to even recognise the poster individually. Outside of those threads there is rarely if ever any discussion of them. So for people that don't go into those threads they could quite easily never even be exposed to it after years of browsing here. Besides that there is that one chart of experimental/independent animation that sometimes gets posted in its own thread.

>>157662797
ABSOLUTE LUDOGRAPHY
La galaxia del tatami (2010, Yuasa)
モブサイコ100 (2016, Tachikawa)
Du son! Euphonium (2015, Yamada)
Rivalisering av en misslyckad riddare (2015, Oonuma)

LUDO
Пинг-понг анимация (2015, Yuasa)
Do novo mundo (2012, Ishihama)
冰果 (2012, Takemoto)
Звукът на небето (2010, Kanbe)

EXPERIENCES
Hiljainen ääni (2016, Yamada)
La famiglia eccentrica (2015, Yoshihara)
Schwertgeschichte (2010, Motonaga)
魔法少女まどかマギカ (2011, Miyamoto)

CARTOONS
Исчезновение Харухи Судзумии (2010, Takemoto)
Serije čudovišta: druga sezona (2012, Itamura)
Au-delà de la frontière (2013, Ishidate)
フリップフラッパーズ (2016, Oshiyama)

>>157667929
Even for a silly /tv/ meme list thats shit.

>>157667755
Yeah and my point is that it's hard for me to believe that someone that has been for years has never encountered anything related to indie animation. So if they did and decided not to look into it, it was their choice. It's not like you need to be in some special club, these things are available on nyaa or often even in hd quality on vimeo.

>>157662797
Why do you keep remaking the fucking chart everytime?

>>157668260
I don't think that's hard to believe at all. I think many people have probably never even actively considered it, maybe scrolled past something in the catalog though sure.

With regards to actually finding the stuff, I think many people would find it quite difficult. Some more popular stuff is available on nyaa and stuff that Anonymoose did when he was still active sure.

But beyond that its kind of a lot harder if you don't already know where to look with current artists and things on vimeo like you mention. I think and then hard to find stuff on your own if you don't at least know some Japanese. I have explained to people before how to find this stuff when they have expressed interest in it before but said they had no idea how to find it. Beyond a couple of blogs there really isn't much of anywhere for someone new to the whole thing looking to get into it to go to even start to get a list of names to look into.

Then actually keeping up with new releases is harder still. Partly due to the fact they are often never published anywhere for people to see outside of animation festivals and partly because its not as if there is going to be a big deal made out of it when it happens anywhere your normal anime fan would look.

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>>157662797
Devilman Crybaby (2018) is the only thing that matters. The rest on that list is mediocre anime shit.

>>157668260
Anyway to be honest though I was only trying to prompt a conversation out of the guy about the content not say they couldn't possibly be his favourites. And really is it that much of a stretch to think someone might make a troll 3x3 when we are posting in a thread with a chart that was almost certainly made to encourage shitposting and takes far more effort than a 3x3?

>>157669151
>flash

>>157670449
>Ping Pong
>Lu over the Wall

Its going to look perfect. Flash is just a tool anyway.

>>157662797
All those anime go through the same production process as any other anime. Nothing about them is "art house". Many of them on that list were made for as large an audience as possible like Kaguya, Space Dandy, or Koe no Katachi, which is the exact opposite of what art house is.

>>157670921
Lu looked pretty horrific in the trailers.

>>157669549
Yes, it is a stretch. Because even by just looking at the shots themselves you can see these shorts are interesting in terms of aesthetics. I would find it hard to believe that someone could actually watch any of them and not find any them asethetically appealing, especially on a board dedicated to animation.

https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22arthouse%22/type/op/
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22art%20house%22/type/op/
Report and move on

>>157671051
That's kind of irrelevant, my statement really has little to do with the quality of the shorts, or the amount the person posting them really likes them.

Consider, what kind of reaction do you think the poster expected to get from people who would come into this thread when posting that 3x3? I doubt he thought it would be a conversation among fans of independent animation from Japan. In fact he probably posted it expecting to be told to fuck off or be called pretentious or something of that sort.

>>157671241
I think you're projecting.

>>157671049
Looks fine to me. Perhaps odd in places because it is an unusual style and effect to see in anime but not bad. Not the same poster but using "flash" as a criticism in itself if you want to be taken seriously isn't a great idea. It just comes across as ignorant.

Many young animators work in flash nowadays even when just doing regular key animation such that nobody would even notice. Literally just a program for animation.

What you really are trying to criticise is certain uses of flash that can give certain qualities to animation that you may or may not like.

>>157671412
I think I am wasting my time talking to you now you've said that. Considering the possible motivations of someone making a certain post and concluding which is most likely isn't "projecting". If you really think that poster wasn't thinking they would get that kind of response more than likely the alternative is you have to be thinking they haven't posted on /a/ much.

>>157671049
Looks great to me, quite fluid considering the budget it probably had. Like I said Flash is just a tool that has quite the negative connotations in the west but in japan, the whole webgen, as in the new guys, work with flash. Read up on what Bahijd said for example, he works with flash.

https://vimeo.com/102103466

If used right you probably wont even notice a difference from traditional animation or other softwares.

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Devilman gonna be lit'.

>not KyoAni
Not arthouse.

>>157672398
This should be a crime

>>157673416
I agree. Such great animation shouldn't be allowed. How can others compete.

>>157673416
The originally drawn lines are still there. The scene still looks visually impressive, maybe even more so as it seems quite fluid, but I assure you one of the two ways to do this scene cost way less then the other. If it helps studios create more visually impressive scenes with loss of some indivduality of the animator I am all for it. Yuasa had 2 oppurtunities to work on feature films with his new studio. I am really interested in seeing how this will turn out with devilmen.

Also, go nagai has seen the film Lu over the wall and he was impressed by it. He said something along the lines of ~ I cant wait to see what he will do with devilman.

inferno cop

>>157673921
I agree. Individuality of animators coming through is interesting and enjoyable, part of what makes Japanese animation special even in many cases. However it isn't the be all and end all nor is it an attribute with which how good a certain piece of animation is can be measured.

>>157673921
I'm morally repulsed by it, don't think I can enjoy his new stuff.

>>157674240
Explain what you think is wrong with it.

>>157674262
Firstly I hate how it looks, secondly it bothers me that the original drawings have been vectorized and tweened with a computer.

>>157674490
What is it you hate about how it looks compared to say a scene produced in a regular 2D hand drawn anime workflow? Describe some of the things you see there that make you hate the way it looks.

And what is the issue with using the computer?

>>157674660
Looks sterile, unnatural. I feel it belittles the artist.

>>157674781
>Looks sterile, unnatural
Plenty of the original work is still there, I can't see the end result would have even been much different flash or not. I don't think the quality of the movement hasn't really changed at all. I think the weight of the line has been made uniform though which isn't something as often seen in anime. It is probably more fluid than it would have been otherwise too I suppose but I dunno how people can complain about that.

> I feel it belittles the artist.
You think the computer belittles the artist? Why does a computer doing inbetweens belittle an artist if a human doing them doesn't? I mean its not as if most KA ever do their own inbetweens.

>>157674984
Regardless of any pros you think Flash might have, I still hate how it looks.

>>157675150
>I think Flash’s strong points are “smooth movement and clean lines.” So I think it’s suited for portraying small objects growing larger and larger without losing their shape, or for things that smoothly change shape like water. You see, with traditional animation, you invariably end up with some shaking. It’s possible to make lines in Flash look hand-drawn, but I prefer these clean and simple lines. However, when I say this to Flash specialists, they tell me, “I don’t like that because it’s so Flash-like.” (laughs)
It's not flash, it's Yuasa.

>>157675150
I didn't mention any pros. I was just discussing why you dislike it. I didn't want to be dismissive but I am starting to get the feeling that you just dislike Flash because it is Flash and Flash is bad because it is Flash and everyone says that is bad. The way you are just using Flash as a general term now makes me think that too.

>>157675301
I dislike it for the reasons I already said and I use Flash as a general term because I do wholly dismiss it as a useful tool.

>>157674490
I don't even like Yuasa or his works and I vehemently disagree with your disagreement with vectoring. Now that we're in the digital age I think ALL anime should be vectored so it can be upscaled flawlessly to new resolution standards as our technology improves.

>Kyoani will forever be shitposted for filters
>Science Saru will forever be shitposted for flash

>>157675393
If you dismiss Flash in that fashion then you are simply ignorant. Some of the best animation in the industry today comes from animators that use Flash as their primary tool and its no different from hand drawn animation.

>>157674984
>I think the weight of the line has been made uniform
I imagine one should be able to set a vector program to output a line "made with an angled brush" so the weight wouldn't be uniform.

>>157675510
Obviously I don't agree.

>>157675494
Still the best studios.

>>157675494
Anime is just the type of thing to shitpost.

>>157675583
I wasn't looking for your agreement merely stating that you are commenting on a topic from a position of ignorance. Do you not think being able to adjust timing and spacing of frames on the fly or try multiple different lines for the same frame with ease is useful? Using Flash for such applications is literally just a more efficient version of drawing on paper and no different from any other program for that matter.

>>157675726
I could not care less about the usefulness of things

>>157675793
>I use Flash as a general term because I do wholly dismiss it as a useful tool
You have literally just said you dismiss Flash as a whole because you don't think its useful at all. Then when I point out applications I consider useful you say you don't care about usefulness?

I really am wasting my time. You are just replying for the sake of it now. I suppose I was probably correct and that you actually do hate Flash just because people use Flash in a derogatory manner.

>>157675878
You're right, my language was unclear. I dismiss Flash as a useful tool (it is a tool, but not one which should be used) and I don't care about it's usefulness (how it might make things easier, faster, more efficient)

Lu Over the Wall looks pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N46q32wq0BM

>>157676032
So how do you explain dismissing flash as useful tool without caring about its usefulness? To dismiss something as not being useful you would have to consider its usefulness. I think you probably just need to drop the "useful" part from the "I dismiss Flash as a useful tool" part.

That aside you are currently left in a position of explaining why you don't think Flash should be used still because essentially all you are left with saying now is "I don't think Flash should be used because I don't think it should be used".

>>157676353
Again, because I don't like how it looks and I think it belittles the animator.

>>157676523
This just goes back to an earlier point then. The application of Flash as Yuasa is using it now is something unique in anime. The look it gives is something unique to this production and way of using Flash. Things like vectoring and inbetweening using Flash are not commonplace. The overwhelming majority of Flash used in anime you would never even be able to spot it in a show from the other cuts.

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/4191
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/19647

Both of those cuts are animated using Flash for example.

>>157676774
That's so interesting, I've changed my mind and Flash is not so bad after all.