What does moe mean, /a/?

Ask >>>/adv/ for love related questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
Moe is a Japanese slang loanword that refers to feelings of strong affection mainly towards characters in anime, manga, and video games. Moe, however, has also gained usage to refer to feelings of affection towards any subject.

stands for a simpsons character

>>157623095
Originally stood for a character who's in the stage of "budding" (i.e. early puberty) and makes you want to protect them until they've fully blossomed. Hotaru ToMOE in Sailor Moon and Rei in Evangelion were early examples of moe.

In the early 00s, though, the otaku slang got more and more misused to refer to any character who was cute or hot, and by the time KyoAni picked it up and used it as a buzzword to market their substance-less shows, it changed from a cute little fan term for ideal yet tragic girls to a cancerous genre that's killing anime.

>>157623095

moe = garbage

>>157624607

Someone post the infographic.

>>157623095
autism

>>157624834
The one that was obviously made by a KyoAni apologist trying to claim "m-moe can be anything you want it to be!"? There was a pretty clear connotation of "fragile waifubait character" to the term originally, with the "anything you fetishize can be called moe" being a misunderstanding that arose later and got exploited by companies like KyoAni.

Basically, back in the day, a character within a show would be designated as "moe" by the fans because she was adorable and resonated with them. After 2006 or so, entire casts of series started getting intentionally designed to be "moe" (in the most shallow sense).

>>157625151

>implying it started in 2006

>>157625194
There were a few minor mentions of the word "moe" in some early 00s shows, but Haruhi's constant rambling about Mikuru's "moe elements" and the unprecedented success of the show led KyoAni and other studios to consciously start milking the phenomenon for all its worth, at the expense of actually creative and entertaining shows. People aren't wrong when they call Lucky Star the first moeshit anime.

>>157625320

KyoAni's least creative and entertaining shows were Kyoukai no Kanata and Musaigen no Phantom World, both of which were conventional LN adaptions (a supernatural/superhuman mess and a battle harem, respectively). Meanwhile, their magnum opus (K-On) proves that character relationships and growth are far more important to a good show than an interesting premise.

>>157625547
>their magnum opus (K-On)
Literally the very epitome of cancerous moeshit. Haruhi was good, though, because it actually had a plot. The issue was that KyoAni somehow decided to make their following shows as generic as possible, even though Haruhi was a parody of generic high school anime cliches.

>>157625665
K-on had plot though.

>>157625665

Things you need to do:

1. Read my post beyond the word K-On
2. Actually watch K-On.
3. Stop confusing the lack of (overt) plot (K-On has plenty of subtle development that takes a while to notice for autists like you and may even take a rewatch) and conflict for lack of substance
4. Failing that, go back to where you came from (most likely /v/ or /pol/, possibly the JoJo generals).

>>157625827
>>157625873
>eating cake and drinking tea at school with forced animation while shouting "MOE MOE KYUUUN" every other second
>plot
And of course, the delusional moefag pulls the /v/ card as soon as he's confronted with the fact that K-On is shit.

>>157625991
>forced animation
You're not even trying to hide it.

>>157625991

Yeah, you clearly haven't watched it. If you have, you're an autist who doesn't see the value in character interactions and gradual progression.

For more specific criticism, "moe moe kyun" is shouted exactly once, and it's just Ritsu and Yui imagining Mio saying it. Also, unironically saying "forced animation" should be a capital crime.

File: Moe.jpg (109KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 1280x720px

>>157623095
What this anon mentioned:
>>157623351
It can range from characters like Atomu to Kaiji to K-on.

>>157625991

This is the kind of quality posting we need on /a/. Tired of these KyoAni faggots.

>>157626044
>>157626090
>K-Onfags can't handle their show being called out for its forced animation
Every time.

Character interaction and gradual progression are great, if they're in a show that actually has some semblance of substance, which moeshit doesn't. KyoAni tries to hide that with forced animation and aggressive marketing, but if a show isn't good, it simply isn't good.

File: mugiconsider.png (328KB, 744x661px) Image search: [Google]

328KB, 744x661px

Anything that produces a strong positive emotional response in the viewer/reader is "moe." What is and is not moe is unique to each individual. "Moe" is NOT a genre. "Moe" does NOT mean cute.

File: sataniav.jpg (172KB, 1361x810px) Image search: [Google]

172KB, 1361x810px

>anybody who uses the term "moeshit"

>>157626209

literally samefagging to praise yourself

>>157626265

Can you say that without the affected buzzwords?

>>157625665
>>157625991
K-on had some plot, not much tho. Things like the band forming, yui learning guitar, the time up until their first concert, and later on the episodes before they graduate are all part of the plot. It's slice of life, the plot isn't going to be some overarching chain of events culminating in the final boss, sawa-chain. It's supposed to be a depiction of something real, like friendships between high school girls.

>>157626265
Provide a single example of forced animation.

K-ON had mountains of character development and is the golden standard of an entire genre of anime.

File: 275047125_1316890.gif (133KB, 358x400px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 358x400px

>>157626349
>the plot isn't going to be some overarching chain of events culminating in the final boss, sawa-chain
I would watch this

Disliking "moe" shows is the IRL equivalent of failing the Voight-Kampff test.

File: magical-girl-lyrical-ndjk.gif (2MB, 392x294px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 392x294px

>>157626278
>"Moe" is NOT a genre.
KyoAni disagrees, considering they singlehandedly turned it into one. Also, that was never how anyone defined moe until Lucky Star and K-On came out and got rightfully bashed for their shallow use of the word "moe". Anime that have characters say moe are pretty much on the same level as BBT.

>>157626361
Pic related.

>yotsuba c

Only emasculated nu-males like moe

>157626486
>oh boy I bet if I say something negative about KyoAni it'll get a lot of (You)s
>I don't even have to actually believe it myself
Every day.

>>157626486
Now post a single example of "forced animation" in k-on.

>>157626265
The characters are likable and cute
also many of the lewd fanarts are great

it's enough to me

>>157626587

>>>/pol/

>still giving him replies

A while ago I gave this some long thought and determined that moe in its purest form it is, solely by itself, the feeling of accepting someone into your heart.

I could expand on that for paragraphs and paragraphs (for example accepting a character as you would a friend, or lover, or daughter surrogate, which is why people branch out into so many interpretations) but that is the most-exact way of quantifying what it is. It makes you feel good, feel happy or horny or doting etc in a way media outside of anime usually does not even approach and is by far and large one of the most unique hence valuable things about animu.

>>157626624
Leave those goalposts alone.

File: random spazzing.webm (451KB, 854x480px) Image search: [Google]

451KB, 854x480px

>>157626624

I tried getting my normie friends to watch K-ON and Lucky Star back in 2010.

Needless to say, they fell asleep after 5 episodes. I don't really blame them, both shows are garbage.

>>157626879
It made more money than you ever will

Who's the real garbage now?

>>157626854
"One aspect of Ritsu's character is that she is hyper and non-verbally extremely expressive."
That is the point of that scene. There's an actual point it's communicating, so it's not forced animation. Try again.

It means "burn" or "burning"

>>157623095
Burning, as in the burning passion you have for the characters.

>>157626854

>trying to make a good aspect of a show into a bad aspect by calling it "forced'

>>157626265
>forced animation

What did he mean by this?

File: mood swings.webm (354KB, 854x480px) Image search: [Google]

354KB, 854x480px

>>157627024
>i-it's forced animation on purpose, so it's okay!

>>157627343

Explain why detailed character expressions are a bad thing.

File: moe.jpg (36KB, 491x450px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 491x450px

>>157623095
This is Moe

>>157627387
Tossing more frames at something doesn't automatically make it better. If it looks awkward, it's bad and forced animation no matter how much budget was put into it. The budget being squandered on a show as shallow as K-On makes it all the worse. Animation should be used for action-filled shows that actually benefit from the animation.

Only ironic weeaboos and literal autists refuse to acknowledge how garbage K-ON! was

>>157627543

K-On is meant to feel warm, inviting, and alive, as >>157626349 alluded to. If it looks better than your shitty MANIME that's just how the cookie crumbles.

>>157627695
>K-On is meant to feel warm, inviting, and alive
But it only ends up feeling shallow, boring and like it's obviously trying way too hard to pander to greasy neckbeards.

>>157627693
>>157627543

Are K-On haters literally unable to make a post without buzzwords?

>>157626977
Capeshit makes billions of dollars and are the dumbest thing ever

what's your point?

>>157627804

There was fairly little fanservice (close to none in S2) and a full third of its viewership was women. It was far less "shallow otakubait" than something like GochiUsa.

Moe is just weebshit for "animu person with personality quirks or character flaws that make them particularly endearing"

>>157627343
"Yui felt several conflicting emotions at once here."
Again, the animation is communicating an actual point. KyoAni is particularly masterful at animating emotions like this.
>>157627543
>If it looks awkward
It doesn't, though. It looks fantastic.

>>157627946
>There was fairly little fanservice
Because moefags are sensitive little purityfags who cry and burn their merchandise if Mio shows her panties on screen.

The pandering comes from how the girls act in ridiculous ways like saying "moe moe kyun" (no self-respecting high-school girl who's not an open otaku would ever be caught saying "moe") and being overly intimate in order to yuribait (Yui towards Azusa and Ritsu towards Mio, for example).

File: tfw hackada.jpg (37KB, 425x290px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 425x290px

>tfw Yamada ruined moe but making a masterpiece that all shows of its genre will forever pale in comparison to

>>157628048
>weebshit

You don't even know what this means

>>157628135

Mio didn't even say "moe moe kyun". Just admit you haven't watched the show.

You'd complain about it whether there was fanservice or not.

>>157628048
>japanese word
>weebshit

You dumbshit.

>>157627395
underrated post

>>157628135
>burn their merchandise if Mio shows her panties on screen.
Name one instance of this ever happening.

File: look its moe because we say so now buy our overpriced blurays.jpg (69KB, 700x390px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 700x390px

>>157628226
>Mio didn't even say "moe moe kyun"
The fact that there even is a scene like that in the show is shameless as fuck. Hell, pretty much every KyoAni show since Haruhi has some out of place scene with a girl randomly bringing up moe.

>>157628284
Why do you think KyoAni censored the pantyshot scene from the manga with "le epic ironic rice bowl xD"?

File: tybka.jpg (80KB, 461x538px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 461x538px

ITT: bait and success breeding jealousy

File: UlRLMGu.png (1019KB, 1366x768px) Image search: [Google]

1019KB, 1366x768px

>>157628374
>The fact that there even is a scene like that in the show is shameless as fuck. Hell, pretty much every KyoAni show since Haruhi has some out of place scene with a girl randomly bringing up moe.

>>157628374
>Why do you think KyoAni censored the pantyshot scene from the manga with "le epic ironic rice bowl xD"?
Nice non-answer.

Yamada treats the K-On characters as real people and not constructs for the audience. If you say otherwise you'd be objectively wrong and delusional due to your projections and false assumptions based on internet misconceptions. This isn't an opinion, it's fact.

>>157625991
Well said, brother.

File: 1464670930106.jpg (241KB, 772x608px) Image search: [Google]

241KB, 772x608px

>>157628496

It's fucking glorious how retards get triggered by the mere mention of their name. Truly the best studio

萌え

>>157623095
A cute, naive girl. It's overused as hell these days, though.

>>157623095
Meretricious Obnoxious Excrement.

Which also aptly describes its fans.

Man, anime semantics are so damn confusing that people to this day still argue the proper definition of anime itself.

>>157628496
>>157631329
People get triggered at their obnoxious as fuck fanbase. Truly the worst of the worst in the world of anime.

>>157634876

Cry more

File: 14575534536.png (889KB, 880x1302px) Image search: [Google]

889KB, 880x1302px

>>157634980
Case in point.

>>157633196

*tips fedora*