Why did Killy shoot him even when he dindu nuffin? Was Killy a racist?
FUCK SILICON LIFE
Silicon life attacks human indiscriminately, they deserved to to driven to extinction.
BECOME AS GODS
>Cibo was a robot all along
What? I thought her new body was stolen from a human clone factory.
But as far I know she was a normal human with some enhancements, like those USB-like ports than even Killy has. Her last incarnation was the only one that was complete a complete robot.
Cibo was born human, she just transferred bodies so many times it's essentially unknowable. Also in the manga she stole her body from the clone factory in The Capitol whereas in the movie she had a machine make her a new better one.
Oh, I know, but aside the movie, in the manga she is represented with a more robotic body.
ignore all silly cone threads, destroy all silly cone posters
Everyone in BLAME! is human to some degree. AIs like safeguards and the governing agency are based on their human creators. Silicon Lifeforms are human criminals who went full retard with augs long ago, and have since become so different that the NetSphere no longer recognizes them as the same species.
It's been mentioned several times in the manga that, due to the sheer amount of time and technofuckery involved in the BLAME! world, even humans (as far as we can recognize them) have branched off into several species. The Bio Electric Corporation that Cibo is from are humans capable of uploading themselves to backup data and re-downloading into new bodies (evidenced by the fact that Killy scans Cibo differently from Silicon Life). The closest thing to vanilla humans in BLAME! are probably the Electro-Fishers, although they do have that ritual where they can drain some kind of organic data-gunk from the bodies of their dead.
When transhuman shit comes into play, the concept of humanity becomes arbitrary anyway. The only thing that really distinguishes a human in BLAME! is if the NetSphere recognizes you as one.
>I assumed you were talking about the movie from that character sheet. When Killy dug her out, pretty sure there were no organic parts.
They talk about communication in the eyes. In the manga with the suit like killys and the fart ghost they meet Killy and they are freaking out how they cannot make or pick up any communication from Killys eyes. Plus there must be some sort of id Killy can pick up by looking at eyes since he is able to tell human and silicon life apart. Her eyes were working in the movie so that could tell her origin. Actually, origin is the better word.
>Netflix movie out
>Still no hope of doujins
>Forever without BLAME porn by raita
So she's directly in contact with The Authority? Did the Authority even exist at this point, or is the idea that Killy is an immortal super safeguard bolted on by Nihei afterwards?
Vol 1 is largely considered one-shot/ pilot material, which is why the tone is so different. Just think of it as Nihei playing around with the setting before finally settling on a direction to take the manga.
More likely a human that Killy allied with, and may have had contact with the Authority.
I think an actual Authority figure would have noticed that Killy's body was malfunctioning before Sanakan restored him.
Because he fulfilled his original mission of finding a human with the NTG. Before he completed it, he cannot take any chance or he risked what happened in volume 1 again. Eliminate all those that would prevent a human with NTG to connect with the Net Sphere, no exceptions. And now that he completed that mission, he is to maintain law and order within The City, which also means protecting Silicon Life as well.
While you're right, Dog Girl matters more than all the other anomalies in volume 1. She recurs four times, each in very short and cryptic ways. Unlike the sting rays, insectoid mutants, and the monster child, she keeps coming back very deliberately.
Maybe they also forgot, since it's been an ungodly long time. The databases aren't talking to each other anymore, so one branch doesn't know HQ is sending their most operator death machine and to check for defects upon receipt.
>Time doesn't real in the gravity furnace exclusion zone, he could've been 10 billion years snuggling with her too.
>I guess so just phase the fuck out of existence is just a tad hard to fully comprehend
Beginning of volume 9: Killy sees her in his dream.
Artbook page 84: "But, if that is so, who is the woman with the dog...?"
Artbook page 84-b: "When Killy was revived after being annihilated by the Level 9, he had a dream sequence before he was restarted. LOG.2/Memory of earth. In that dream, the woman and the dog were mostly symbolic. I think this obviously has some relevance to Dhomochevsky and Iko's creation scene. The woman is Iko and the dog corresponds to the coelacanth. ... In all the ways Killy is "born," that woman, just like Iko, is supporting him along with her dog."
Blame Gakuen: I don't remember which chapter, but she's in it.
If it weren't for Cibo, he was pretty much defeated. They were even laughing at him.
Ivy and Maeve had them on the ropes until Seu and Mensab showed up
When Nihei started the series, it was considered one shot series for a year. There's no rigid setting or overall plot. Government agency and exterminators are not separated. After a year, they decided to develop Blame! into a long term series. Around that time, Cibo was introduced and Government agency became a good guy.
I would like to think that it was something else besides Safeguard or Silicon Life. That with The City so big, there is bound to be something that had evolved to thrive in it and that was one of many that did.
She's scary and cute at the same time!
To add to your point: the child appears, visibly, to be fully human; even as it killed the soldiers/bandits. No Silicon or Safeguard in the entire series can use their strength while appearing as a human. Sanakan is the only one of either who is shown to even have the capability of looking like a human, and she changes out of that form before fighting.
>heard you had Net Terminal Genes you little shit
>now get on the bed
That was only before he'd reactivated his safeguard functions, after he did that during the first debacle with Sanakan there was an immediately noticeable and vast improvement in virtually every parameter. Before that he was effectively little more than an average man who just happened to be insanely tough and had a fuckstrong gun and balls of steel, he even had to drug himself regularly to help recover his injuries. Afterwards he gradually shifts back into a nigh-immortal unstoppable death machine tanking nuclear explosions to the face, holding his own completely whenever he was alone against whatever mechanical abomination came his way, and even once when he lost his GBE he launched a heavily armed one man assault against the most powerful silicon organization of the level, slaughtered one of their top members and critically injured another. If not because of his physical abilities or his equipment, Killy is still one of the most dangerous safeguards ever created by virtue of sheer unstoppability. Nothing they've ever tried on him has worked, and they've tried pretty much everything like three times.
I liked how he gradually became stronger. First he was no different than a normal human, just with a very powerful gun. Then, after her first encounter with Sanakan, he became more stronger and faster than before, and he could use his GBE more efficiently. Then, when he was obliterated and lost 60% of his body, he practically became a kill machine, with all his functions at maximum.
I think his peak was his fight against the Level 10 Safeguard, when he activated those weird eyes and he could nullify every force shield the Safeguard put on him.
Sanakan doesn't understand all that is going on, she's (probably) the protag from Noise who is under contract with the Safeguard from before it went wacko. She sees what he has access to and thinks he must be Safeguard when his canon is that he's a predecessor to the Safeguard, probably a higher spec prototype sort that cost more to make than the final models except maybe the level 10.
Part of Killy's hardcoded mission is to destroy Silicon life before they can interfere. Once he completes his mission, he can save QT Silicon life like P-Cell 2.0 all he wants.
>she's (probably) the protag from Noise who is under contract with the Safeguard
Musubi would never help the Safeguard!
You have to separate "The Safeguard" as an organization from "The Safeguard" as a type of organism. Killy does not obey the laws of the Safeguard as an organization because he's not part of them and technically never was one because they were formed after his creation. Killy responds directly to the Netsphere Authority which if it weren't for the Safeguard being in full lockdown autistic screeching mode the Authority would actually be in charge of them too. But as it is, the Authority is in conflict with the Safeguard and understands that Killy is pretty much their only hope of getting the Safeguard back under control because Killy's mission pretty much kills every bird with one stone as a human with netsphere access could pretty much stop every major problem in Blame!.
As far as his physical body, Killy is technically the same type of organism as the Safeguard. It would be more accurate to say that the Safeguard are based on Killy though. It's unclear if there ever were others like Killy before the Safeguard became a thing though but I imagine there would be, not sure what would have happened to them obviously.
It's not like her word would make a difference.
人間だが、かなり高度にサイボーグ化されている。ほとんど確実に不老不死。すでに１０００年以上は生きている可能性が高い。が、その自覚というか 「記憶」が、多分、ない。相当な過去、まだ、もしかしたらネットスフィアが完全に機能している時代に、警察官的な仕事をしていたのかもしれない。とにか く、後に「種族」化して「珪素生物」となる「人間が生物的な体を捨てた」犯罪者達や、ネットワークを介在して、複数の「体」を使用する者達から、ひどく恨 みを買うほどに対立していたようだ。
Killy is just an old safeguard that tends to going rogue from time to time, but he still carries his original mission.
The first bunch of safeguards were based on humans, but after the cataclysm and the genocide, the next ones were based on silicon creatures. That's all.
I'm still of the opinion that none of Nihei's works will ever be animated in a way that does them justice because it just wouldn't be profitable and that is why all we get is cel shaded CGI stuff overlaid on the remarkable sometimes hand drawn backgrounds. I don't like cel shaded CGI or most CGI in general outside of some really top notch shit but it's extra jarring next to Nihei level backgrounds.
I dunno, any millionaires wanna fund a proper Blame! animation?
Reminder that Nihei was going to be the art director of a new Neuromancer movie that was cancelled some years ago.
Everybody knows Cibo is /fa/ as fuck.
I remember reading there were lack of funds, besides some kind of legal battle about the rights of the novel, so the project was put on developer hell several times until they scrapped the project entirely when investors lost interest.
Well a ching chong and nip noug to you too buddy.
>go to the twitter
>select the pic
>open in a new window
>put :orig at the end of the URL
>save as a pic without the -orig
Isn't the fifth form just another human that was in the rescue capsule from the last chapters?
(with ambiguity, whether it is the character Killy talks to, or another person entirely)
But look at Sanakan's edgy late 90s coat.
It's probably some sort of amalgamation as it is pieced together from what the governors could salvage and had been overwritten multiple times. But yeah I figured it was at least partly Mori and very little of anyone else.
She's thinking like, woah, I'm Keanu Reeves.
I think this pic is better.
No you autists I mean that page is one of my favorites for art, not that dyke-looking Cibo is my favorite. "It's been a while Mr President" Cibo is my favorite.
But that's her second body.
Nah man, even Cibo knew her original body was ugly, that's the reason she stole the body of a blonde supermodel.
>No you autists I mean that page is one of my favorites for art ... "It's been a while Mr President" Cibo is my favorite.
But there is no two-page spread of either of them in the capitol.
I want to punish this safeguard
It's just gear that she can use to fuck over the President and the rest in there. She brings it specifically for that purpose, and immediately doesn't have any of it after the end of that scene.
What's your favorite scene from the manga? mine is when Killy stares off into the vastness of the jupiter room and Mori can only detect the ground.
Anyone have the wallpaper version of that scene?
Probably has to be the tower shield knights appearing. Little significance story wise as they immediately get jobbed but man, did they make an impression.
They're also my favourite; that's my favourite page. I think that's what got me into Blame, actually.
>they immediately get jobbed
No, they don't. They deflect Sanakan's GBE, and manage to kill Sanakan. That's a ridiculous feat, in the grand scheme of the manga.
After Blame, but before Blame!². It was the time humans were still struggle against silicon life and builders. Probably the Authority recruited more people to kill all menace and help the few humans that survived.
The real question I have is; did Cibo connecting to Killy's brain trigger Sanakan's character change in the last part of the manga? Cibo was still in Sanakan's body when she connected to Killy right?
Definitely this chapter. This was the culmination of the Dhomochevsky arc, and all the subplots that developed there. But I specially liked this scene, the face Davinelulinvega made when he knew he was living his last moments, how he deeply regretted not having access and even begged the Governors to enter the Netsphere. But it was meaningless, anyway, because the connection ended and he was already a corpse in the real world, leaving him behind with a digital body that vanished few moments after.
He's "Safeguard" from the era when Safeguard was not called Safeguard yet. Explains why Safeguard recognize him as an unregistered Safeguard, why the basic language within him is Safeguard's and why he can access the protected vaults and weaponry of the Safeguard.
And him being a relative to Safeguards also explains why he has GBE and why he's tough as nails in the first place.
>Nothing they've ever tried on him has worked, and they've tried pretty much everything like three times.
He can't be killed but several Safeguard, couple of Silicon Creatures and few various creatures have beaten him. Sanakan is stronger than Killy thanks to her having way more cool abilities than he does, the two times they fight each other Killy "wins" because of outside interference, both times he was about to get his head disappear in a GBE shot from Sanakan. Not to mention Lvl 9 which just brushed off his GBE shots and pulverized the area effortlessly, plus it says in Nihei's own notes how the Lvl 9 is THE strongest being in the world of Blame!
But thats why it makes sense for him to have a partner in Cibo, who can mitigate his weaknesses. A lot of powerful characters work in pairs in Blame!, usually in a "this guy is the frontline fighter, this guy is the hacker/mage in the background"-way. Maeve and Ivy and Seu and Mensab the best examples, both had the strong melee fighters and then the tech-wieldy "mages" in the back, doing shit like magnetic bonds and teleportation.
According to Nihei's notes, Davine is a she. The male avatar you see in the river before Netsphere is Seu, because its Seu's genetic information they're using to access it.
And when Davine gets shot in her face, Seu avatar reappearing and touching the Netsphere is not Davine, its Cibo who hacked and stole the ID for herself. Her obsession overcame her and she just couldn't help but use the opportunity to see what the Netsphere was like. And as a result she accidentally ruined everything for both her and Killy.
>from the era when Safeguard was not called Safeguard
No. He is 'from' a system prior to and separate from the Safeguard. No matter how you rearrange the words, it is always the truth.
Killy is from a system that predates the safeguard anon. He's not a prototype. He's not a stolen body. He's literally lost technology that no one has any records of except for the Authority who only know him as something that came before.
Why exactly doesn't Killy just fullpower people like he did with the first class exterminator more often? Sanakan wouldnt have stood a chance against his full power GBE shot had hhe used it.
>Davine is a she
He, she, xhe, it, I don't care, they are all silicon scum to me.
>is not Davine, its Cibo
Why what? But that doesn't make sense. Cibo was already connected to another line, and why the Governor talked about Davine and not about Cibo when the avatar disappeared?
Exterminator first class is stronger. It takes killy and sanakan to defeat it.
Also cibo when she downloaded the level 9 safeguard data along with the net terminal genes was stronger, before she went into incubating mode and became like a helpless child.
The choppy animation was intentional, according to some anons that can read moon. Not really a fan of it myself, would have preferred everything to just be smooth. Some of the scenes look like they dropped down to 20fps and it looks terrible.
>And when Davine gets shot in her face, Seu avatar reappearing and touching the Netsphere is not Davine, its Cibo who hacked and stole the ID for herself. Her obsession overcame her and she just couldn't help but use the opportunity to see what the Netsphere was like. And as a result she accidentally ruined everything for both her and Killy.
And people give *me* shit about headcanon.
In the exact same notes, Nihei says that Davinel was the one who wanted the Level 9. Davinel did not fully die until she touched the thing and got the data. Did you forget how slowed-down time can be in the Net space? Cibo spent like minutes in cyberspace when her body was technically gone in like volume 4, as I recall. The same thing applies here. The Level 9 downloaded into Cibo's body because Davinel was no longer there/alive to receive the information, not because she stole Davinel's body or whatever shit.
If you read Nihei's notes:
>"Ages ago, when the Netsphere was completely functional, he might have had some kind of police officer job."
He already pretty much did what the original "Safeguard" (before Safeguard was a thing) did. Then add how Nihei himself said he won't get into details of the age when there was wars within the Netsphere itself and soldiers started getting enhancements that turned them superhuman. Only that eventually in that war those who emerged victorious became the powers that exist within the City. That also means Safeguard.
So because we see several times how Killy can interact with Safeguard tech without getting shot to pieces by its defence mechanisms, his cybernetic enhancements come from the same basis that Safeguard eventually came from. So in a way Killy is like Safeguard's ancestor, or a distant cousin. At one point there was an enhanced entity much like Killy, they had the same basic language within them and they used the same weaponry. And that colleague of his eventually formed the Safeguard somehow.
Its the only reason why Safeguard mistakes Killy for one of their own at first, why Killy's system is similar to Safeguards' and why Killy can access Safeguard resources and pass through their doors no problem. Silicon Creatures stole Safeguard technology and have the same basic language but over time their language changed from that of the original Safeguard, which is why they get their heads blasted to shit if they try to enter Safeguard vaults before hacking them first.
Otherwise the similarities end there. Killy was clearly human once and then was put into a more durable body, Safeguards like Sanakan, Dhomo and Iko started as AI's in robot bodies.
When Killy shoots the exterminator first class just as it has is about to eat the net terminal genes and you see the shot reflected in sanakan' eyes and the initial shot followed by the resulting shockwave .
That page is SO fucking kino.
Everything is right about it. Such great visual ideas
"If you read his notes" - who do you think is translating them all the time?
>Nihei himself said he won't get into details of the age when there was wars within the Netsphere itself and soldiers started getting enhancements that turned them superhuman. Only that eventually in that war those who emerged victorious became the powers that exist within the City. That also means Safeguard.
>Silicon Creatures stole Safeguard technology and have the same basic language but over time their language changed
So you didn't read NOiSE, got it
>So you didn't read NOiSE, got it
From the notes on NOiSE:
>["NOiSE" Explanation 1]
This is about why the world outside the Netsphere was in such a bad state.
It raises the question, "Why the chaos?"
Hypothetically, one can jack-in to another imitation body (Which is what the "NOiSE" cult can do). Before that knowledge became general it was used for military affairs.
If immortal, maintenance capable "Imitation Soldiers" could be created, they would win over any other kind of soldier.
It would absolutely be used to create an army.
Naturally, any opposing forces would also be doing the same thing.
And so there could be a great electronic battle.
>I can't imagine or predict what will go down after that, but somehow the Net World will become a festering wilderness and chaos would ensue - wouldn't it?
NOiSE takes place shortly before things start going to shit, and the epilogue is when shit has long since gone to shit.
Honestly wouldn't mind if Nihei would make NOiSE 2 and have an entire story on the war within the human society and within the Netsphere. The end resulting in Netsphere malfunctioning and City beginning its chaotic expansion.
I don't remember how many times I've read blame, but I've always assumes that that thing was just a strange looking silicone. Why was it trying to eat the sphere anyway?
That has nothing to do with language or why the Silicon are not recognized as Safeguard.
Further, that isn't relevant to your extrapolation about Killy. He's not a soldier. He's a police officer.
Its an orb with net genes within it, mixed in with illegal genes. And wherever is the possibility of unauthorized Netsphere activity, theres the Safeguard.
I do like the idea how Exterminator Lvl 3s are just dolls, Lvl 2 are giant dolls with monk garbs and Lvl 1 look like saintly dolls. Really cool visual detail.
Killy got his enhancements from a mysterious faction by mysterious means during a mysterious time. What is the mysterious era Nihei hasn't detailed at all? The era right after NOiSE, when different factions raised immortal soldiers with the same abilities Killy and many other characters of the City have. So given what Killy can do right now, its not a hard stretch to think whoever gave him the new body copied a lot of what made the other soldiers already powerful, then added a lot of custom extra on top of that. But the framework was initially the same, which is why his tech is somewhat similar to the future Safeguard.
He's like Mad Max in a lot of ways. Used to be part of special cop unit, now an ex-cop hero of the wastes. He might confront factions formed by other ex-cops of the same unit and thus face enemies with similar training in his travels.
Anyone else completely lost or losing interest trying to decipher what the fuck is going on in some pages? The art is bad but I'm not talking One Piece type of bad, but in "jesus what am I looking at" bad.
Characters are sorta fine but I can't tell for the life of me what is going on in the back grounds some time.
You are pretty young for what I can tell, so just finish the manga and in like ten years return to it for another re-read. Alot of shit happens and there is some vague explanation that you may or may not understand, hell, it took me two reads and several thread on Blame! to understand some of the questions where the reader has to make sense by himself on how and why it end up that way.
>Killy got his enhancements from a mysterious faction by mysterious means during a mysterious time.
No. He got his stuff before the Safeguard existed. At all. The Safeguard already exist in NOiSE. He was a secret agent with special privileges before the disaster; it's not unthinkable that he simply had enhancements installed as a part of his work. This would be why his gear is prototypal and supersedes Safeguard authority. He has never "gotten a new body"; anything insinuated in that direction is the fault of translations. You will not find anything that says he changed bodies, anywhere. All of the bodyswap crap is taken from one single line, which is given as
>However, there's no doubt that the body Killy has now is not "the same body" he was born with.
Except that's not what the line really reads.
It doesn't address whether he is or isn't in a given body or not; it says that his body is (most likely) not the same thing that it was when he was born. Referring, almost certainly, to his extensive cyborg enhancements. The sentence would make sense even if the events of the manga never happened and all that had transpired was his receiving cybernetic modification.
>The Safeguard already exist in NOiSE.
Eh, good point. But just further proves that he's probably one of the ancestors of the Safeguard system, or the same agency that created him was somehow involved in the creation of Safeguard. Like the "HAL" mentioned in the notes simply taking that agency's ideas and running them for his own, since clearly GBEs are the most powerful form of weaponry in that universe.
And I didn't say he switched bodies, I said he was turned to what he is in Blame! which far exceeds human capabilities, tough to call him "human" anymore in terms of biology or physical capabilities. Although humanity at that point is such a vague concept anyway, Cibo is even less "human" than Killy thanks to her habit of switching bodies like old socks.
>he's probably one of the ancestors of the Safeguard system
He precedes it, yes. But it's not straight to the extent that many people like to portray it, nor is it a direct line of precedent. He's just Some Guy who's got metal stuff stuck to him. My justification for why his prototype stuff is stronger is that it's like a concept car, or a proof of concept. There's no intention for reproduction or cost consideration for the thing itself, it's simply as advanced as possible to display the nature of advancement. In that way, it is an ancestral design related to the Safeguard system, but does not serve in a direct line of precedence.
>I didn't say he switched bodies
Then what are we debating? Are we just talking? That's odd.
what is that
> In that way, it is an ancestral design related to the Safeguard system, but does not serve in a direct line of precedence.
True, but him being somehow related to them has to be there, or otherwise a lot of the plot points would not make sense, or would require a lot of overly convoluted reasons for them to work, making Nihei fuck up in storywriting.
As advanced and unkillable as he is, you can clearly see Sanakan is a walking "what if Killy was a newer model", she generally wins him in a duel as well, thanks to her different abilities. Takes more than one person to take down Sanakan.
Makes me think if Nihei is a fan of Terminator movies as well. Since he is a big westaboo, and T-800 had this sort of rivalry with T-1000 and T-X in the films. Less advanced than his rivals but wins over them through sheer perseverance.
Made scenes like Cibo's stolen body being stolen back much more like "Oh shit!"-moments when you know how big a threat Sanakan is, and how Killy can't necessarily beat her in a fair fight.
Even if she is stronger (I don't agree there), Killy is literally immortal. He just has to keep getting back up. Maybe it takes time, maybe it costs whatever, but he will not die, and he will eventually win through attrition.
Also, Sanakan's weaponry is not as powerful. Her GBE is described in an bizarre, esoteric way that sums up as 'weaker weapon'. Killy's GBE is explicitly described as the strongest weapon in existence.
I see there are people here that know their shit, so I want to ask, what was the deal with Alternate Cibo? I mean, she never met Killy in her timeline, but she had her second body, besides how the fuck she managed to enter Toha Industries of the City was physically isolated from that place? Her backstory doesn't make sense, to be honest.
How do you feel being unworthy of her mecha-pussy?
The BLAME! civilization at its peak is more powerful than a lot of the "ancient space alien" civs in sci-fi.
Although Killy was probably augmented beyond that once the people in charge realizes things were going to get horrible.
I always thought Pcell may have been or had a connection to Musubi. She had the gravitational sword, which seemed to be a rather unique weapon that silicons wouldn't randomly get their hands on, and she was able to summon what looked like safeguard puppets.
>seemed to be a rather unique weapon that silicons wouldn't randomly get their hands on
There's 3 Silicons with gravitational swords in NOiSE. Thousands of years later, who knows what they've got? They've got anti-gravitational weapon shields, so they've presumably encountered those weapons before. And they've got a fuckton of those shields, so they're likely expecting to face against more than just one gravitational weapon.
Why do people add space after a (you) quote and before a paragraph? If it's your idea of organizing a sentence, it's not a good idea. It just adds unnecessary space and looks awkward. It hurts your what you're going for in the first place.
Q:There are the same words such as "Higgs particle","placenta" appearing both in Aposimz and Knights of Sidonia. Are these two worlds connected?
Nihei: I'll leave it up to your imagination. You may know the truth as the story advances.
>no mention of anon using "alot"
It weakens my faith in the system that it isn't a bannable offense.
If NSE and BLAME^2 were any indication, the humans are still having trouble controlling the Safeguard. In fact, BLAME^2 specifically mentioned that the humans sent Builders, not Safeguard, to destroy the Silicon.
Which order should I read the series?
I find it really hard to follow the story
Safeguards aren't designed for offense/attacks. They're an automated process built solely to defend the Netsphere in a virus-scan way; you can't really make them do something like that.
Ah okay. Is it strange to be completely lost on chapter 1 of Blame 1? I feel like there's a bunch of stuff I've already missed or is that normal and more stuff kind of gets explained later?
Right, but they were designed to protect humans and entry to the Net Sphere. Despite regaining the Net Sphere, it appears that humans were unable to regain control of the Safeguard. While they are autonomous and mostly reactive, would you feel safe knowing that there are first-class exterminators and other rogue robots running around loose in your city?
I can see a human vs safeguard conflict using up a lot of their time. No need to chase down the weakened silicons.
>Is it strange to be completely lost on chapter 1 of Blame 1?
It's pretty expected
You're going to have to read everything like four times to even begin to understand what the fuck we're talking about in here, but you'll be able to understand what's going on in general if you just read Blame once-through at an even pace
Some stuff is implied and only make sense after you've read through blame multiple times. Also the first volume doesn't really matter, the story only starts to develop once Cibo joins
>would you feel safe knowing that there are first-class exterminators and other rogue robots running around loose in your city?
Don't try to politic me
But no, I get your point.
>they want to protect freedom of religion!
>our religion, that is
>When you use your net terminal gene special access to command the builders to construct extensions of your house in all directions around your neighbor's place, and then shoot him with a GBE when he leaves the house because traveling to Toha Heavy Industries through your private property without paying the fee constitutes a violation of the NAP
having the net terminal gene in the blame world would be pretty great
>build huge mansion
>all the safeguard waifus you want
>use safeguards to bring human genes from other areas and use cloning machines to make more waifus
>When you send Level 9 Safeguards after the local silicon life because they broke into your vat baby factory and killed the breeding machine women inside when you actually wanted them to attack the guy next door who was getting too competitive and they got the addresses mixed up
I just read Biomega, Jesus Christ did Nihei die and get replaced after volume four?! The art is completely different, it's like he got his hands replaced with fucking hooks!
>Toha build the megastructure
>conveniently makes it's HQ an immune zone
if the megastructure is so tough, why dont they just make safeguards from the same material
>Even if she is stronger (I don't agree there),
She beats up Killy three times in combat. First time she spares him, trying to re-register him to Safeguard database. Two other times she gets interrupted from just BLAMMING Killy in his face by some outside force. First time he gets saved by Electro-Fishers, second time he gets saved by Cibo. Oh, and fourth time she gets destroyed by Killy simply because she was focusing on shooting another target entirely.
Her "Talk to the hand"-move just cancels out many things Killy could do to her in a fight. Plus she got wings so she traverses areas much faster. You usually need both Cibo and Killy to take down Sanakan. So therefore Sanakan is simply stronger than Killy.
Not dying doesn't make someone a stronger fighter. It just means he has more opportunities to lose again.
And Sanakan had infinite lives as well until Authority stole her data from the Safeguard in mid-transition.
Sanakan's factor of infinite lives depends on her location. Killy is always immortal, as long as he is in/near The City. Through an unknown means, the critically-wounded state of his being *reactivated* certain functions of the Unofficial Layer. His regeneration is given significantly-higher priority than that of Sanakan - in the same level, she is/was unable to regenerate. There is a "BIOS-like" system, in even the faulty megastructure, which restores only critical functions - Killy's restoration is included in that classification. It is said to be an example of one of his innate traits as a secret agent.
That's completely wrong, thee safeguard aren't based on silicon at all, considering they came before them. in fact there's more evidence that the silicons stole th base design of the safeguard
>Well matrix did come out halfway through blame!, maybe it finally reached Japan
It was in Japan when it came out. See picture. The Wachowski brosters apparently took some inspiration from Nihei's works, and vice-versa. But that may just be hearsay - though, I do remember reading an article about it somewhere. Could be false memories, could be an obscure article. We shall never know.
I can second that. I've read an interview where the Wachowski brothers said that Blame! was a major influence for The Matrix, in the same way that Banks's Feersum Endjinn was the major influence for Blame!
But alas, I'm unable to find the interview. It's not a false memory though.
To be fair, all of the protagonists are immortals, in a way.
Killy: His body can resist a lot of physical impacts of any kind, plus his organism is very tolerant for harsh environments and all kinds of poisons. He have incredible regenerative skills and insanely higher levels of stamina.
Sanakan: Similar abilities as Killy, plus the benefit of having multiple backups of her and can spawn every time she wants to
with the permission of Governors, of course.
Cibo: Expert on the art of body hijacking, any body is enough for her. If no body is available, she can make one from scrapped junk.
Wachowski brothers made just one hit franchise and get rich enough to change their gender and never work again.
Nihei made BLAME!, BIOMEGA, ABARA, Sidonia and his daughter blamed him for not being Shingeki tier.
>work for toha
>somebody futzes with the gravity engine
>suddenly you and your entire lineage dating back to prehistory is wiped from the timeline
He'll be treated as such when and if he returns to making works with artistic integrity. For now, I will continue to separate the man from his works other than where Q&As or whatever are concerned.
Because the extremely advanced military equipment? They don't even need that kind of justification - a silicon pairing like Schiff and Blon would be more-or-less on par with Sanakan. Give one of them a gravity sword, and they might be able to outmatch her. If we assume that the knight Silicons are around Schiff-level strength, there aren't many surprises in that outcome.
This is your new waifu.
How come the Safeguard didn't spam Class A Exterminators until Killy was dead? He can't defeat them alone.
>Exterminator btfo Killy
>waits around his body as it regenerates
>as soon as it's almost done, zap him again before he can move
He also had to completely drain an energy storage facility the size of a city to recharge himself.
Don't forget he also slaughters their babies, and he gives a rare smirk while admitting so
No. I mean yes, but not in the way you want it to be.
At that level of technology it wouldn't be something you could fuck. It would be more like a pleasure switch.
Or it could be something you could fuck, but it literally wouldn't matter and the pleasure would be independent of your fucking. But why would you do that when you can just install your own pleasure switch instead of going through that trouble?
Once we start have the technology to produce synthetic female bodies, the first thing humanity will do is add a clitoris sensor in the throat and make human cum taste like strawberry cake.
Horseshit, don't fuck around. Using the GBE never cost Killy any energy. The factory which he drains at the beginning of volume 9 is because he used energy to regenerate his own body, not because he used energy for anything else.
Anyone know the source of this interview?
I can't read kanji.
You don't need kanji for that. It's from the NHK; there's a program called Oikonomia (オイコノミア). It was on TV. So, somebody's probably got a recorded version of it somewhere, but it's not likely that you'll see it soon. I don't even know what "it" is, beyond being apparently something on the creation of the film.
Guys I found it.
Anyways ty for the help before.
Plausible theory: while he thinks he's human he's only been using the emergency reserves found inside the gun itself. Once he reestablishes connection, he remembered he already ptw-ed his gun all the way to level "fuck everything up"
Killy is the channel through which power is provided to the GBE. Both Killy and the gun have the authority to receive unlimited amounts of power from The City's hardware. The gun can be fired forever, so long as it is Killy who is wielding it. The only time in which it can't be fired is when he's in Toha, where the legal contract between the corporation and the Governing Agency dictates that City powers cannot intervene; thereby disallowing energy allocation to the GBE.
That guy is correct. In Japanese her name is written as シボ, "Shibo".
Also, Killy's name is pronounced as キリイ, which makes Kirii a better transliteration. If anon in another thread is correct, and his name is inspired by a character named Killian from another book, then Nihei fucked up translating it to Japanese. Which would not be surprising considering that he though "balame" was a "blam" sound.
>The gun can be fired forever, so long as it is Killy who is wielding it.
I'm not sure about that, Cibo could fire the GBE by herself. There's a good chance the gun draws power from the Megastructure at all time regardless of the wielder. That's a terrible idea for this kind of equipment, the least they could do is make it password-locked to Killy. This manga is a disaster of safety regulations.
also P-Cell doesn't give a fuck
I think that's the real message behind blame, that engineers whether designing the net sphere kill bot protocols, or just the GBE, ought to take a lot more safety precautions.
>his name is inspired by a character named Killian from another book
"Killeen", from Great Sky River. There's also a character named "Shibo".
It's one of the books Nihei makes explicit reference to in the artbook notes.
>I'm not sure about that
I don't say things that can't be verified.
Oh, so the gun goes on an ammo system when it isn't being wielded by Killy. That clears it, thanks.
On another note, it says the GBE didn't work in Toha Heavy Industry because it doesn't have the hardware to support it. That's different from most interpretations, which is that the GBE doesn't work strictly because of the contract between Toha and the City.
Also apparently Iko hacked the GBE so maybe it was password-locked to Killy for the majority of the manga until Iko accessed it.
Someone in these threads who knows Japanese should try to make a better translation of these notes.
The existing one is pretty hard to read.
>On another note, it says the GBE didn't work in Toha Heavy Industry because it doesn't have the hardware to support it. That's different from most interpretations, which is that the GBE doesn't work strictly because of the contract between Toha and the City.
Toha is *in* The City, though. It's because of the contract that their "hardware" doesn't support it; it's a deliberate measure intended to prevent Safeguard interference. In the text in the picture, this is elucidated through what it says about Cibo's anti-magnetic equipment. It doesn't provide a source of energy for the GBE; it nullifies the effects of the hardware of Toha.
I'll get around to it eventually. But, some of Nihei's wording is extremely vague, roundabout and often open-ended, so it's hard to make a decent translation of certain things without people complaining about how it doesn't make sense - since the real problem is that the original doesn't make sense.
Interesting book. Quick summary:
"Great Sky River tells the story of small groups of humans which have settled on distant star systems. These human settlers suffer from constant threats from the Mechs, a civilization of machines that was leftover from older civilizations and which evolved to see all biological civilization as unstable and dangerous. The book focuses primarily on the Bishop family which is lead by Killeen Bishop. This family is more like a clan or tribe, one of many which are named after chess pieces. All use cybernetic implants and mechanical aids to enhance their perceptions and physical abilities. Personalities of dead members of the Family can be stored in memory tabs and accessed by plugging them into ports implanted in the neck. Bodily functions, such as the sexual drive, can be turned off to remove distractions. The Families seem to be equipped for long conflicts and periods of privation, continually migrating to avoid the Mechs."
The picture doesn't say the software in Toha doesn't support it. It says Toha doesn't have the software to support it. That is a massive difference in meaning. It could be a mistranslation but that's what it says.
Nihei got the idea for the City from Feersum Endjinn. It takes place in a gigantic castle that also serves as an electronic backup for the memories of dead people.
Based banks knows how to do megastructures.
Anyone who liked Blame! should really read Feersum Endjinn.
It's a fantastic novel in and of itself, but also you can see where Nihei got a lot of inspiration from. Even the chimera characters he has in later works likely came from this book.
Yeah, I just checked to make sure that I knew what I was talking about; I do, it's a mistranslation.
>"That [it] could not be used in Toha Heavy Industries is simply because the software cannot work [for it]." It does not say that Toha is lacking in anything, nor does it make any reference to absence of a feature. The verb used in reference to functionality, 使える, is used in sentences like "Do you accept cash?", and a negative-form response with the same verb would be "You can't use cash". The sentence says that the nonfunctionality of the GBE is by virtue of Toha's software's not working for *it*. Nothing about the concept of 'weight of support' or any such idea is in the original text.
>This has to be the most badass armor/sword combo of all time
Nah, that's these guys.
Why was he assigned a gun that ejects a stream of burning hot casings that rips off his face? This does not seem user friendly.
That's not his gun. That's Blon's rapid-fire MG.
Why did you think he was shooting himself, or whatever?
So how does gravity work in the city?
>Inb4 gravity furnaces duh
I mean is gravity always pointed towards the center of the city (earth?) or can gravity change from place to place or level to level? If killy shot his gun down and jumped into the hole, could he have used that to get back to earth with the kid in the end?
>can gravity change from place to place or level to level?
Take a guess.
So I read the first volume of the manga and I have no idea why the fuck anyone is doing anything and who the people are besides Killy and Cibo. Are the other people/machines/silicon life things he murders along the way just completely unimportant and setting the scene in the first volume or something because none it really seemed to matter beyond looking cool.
That was in THI though, wasn't it? They had their own thing going on. I was more thinking about the random expansion of the city and if the builders ever just built shit sideways, upside down or something like that.
I have always wondered, how they can survive without drinking? I mean, I don't remember seeing any source of water until the very end, when Killy was already closer to the end of the megastructure.
That looks like it explains the entire plot based on the length. I'm not going to read that. I just wanted to know if you are supposed to be able to understand what is happening from the first volume?
That's the only time you see gravity change in the manga, and it's only to accommodate Toha Heavy Industries' "space colony" design.
Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Killy carries around a mug in the early volumes.
>I just wanted to know if you are supposed to be able to understand what is happening from the first volume?
Not really, it usually takes 2 or 3 entire reading of the story to get the big picture.
>the first volume
To be honest I liked Blame! the most when it was only him helping people while still searching for Net Terminal Genes.
I wonder how Blame! have developed if Cibo never joined and the plot was instead about Killy doing minor missions assigned by dog girl, from time to time.
Maybe the plumbing is the only thing done correctly in the Megastructure? Like, there's a random faucet coming out of a wall every once in a while and the water isn't completely black and disgusting.
Left ambiguous. They didn't need Net Terminal genes to get into the provisional access terminal, and the stuff that Cibo downloaded from it had the Net access code stuff in it anyway because of the Governing Agency.
Now you're making me wish for a one manga off about a cute little builder in charge of small repairs to the city. It could even visit places Killy went through right after he was done making giant holes in everything with his GBE.
There is no proof of that, stop spreading mis info
Killy isn't a safeguard, he was made before the safeguard existed
He is to safeguard what a lone ranger is to the lapd
It was most likely another human she was talking to, the authority can't be contacted normally
Everyone ignore the anon who is shilling these dog girl theories, it's total bs
Him saying it was mostly symbolic should shut down any theories of her actually being important, rather than representing something, such as killy's past
>There is no proof of that, stop spreading misinfo
Why do you make me work? You're a boring opposition.
Ah, so you're from that place.
>For some reason, "when born", Killy was supported by that woman, *exactly* like Iko had [for Dhomo]. The dog is her partner. They, too, might be part of "that system"...
Personally I think he did. Seu was the "purest" human we've seen in the entire story, and his sample of genetic material was relatively important plot-wise, and I find it very difficult to explain how Cibo came to carry Net Genes in her orb thing unless it came from Seu's DNA sample. I find interesting that Dhomo assumed the DNA was very old, from another "era" in his words, when in fact Seu was a modern human and (probably) still alive. He didn't have a lot of IQ points left but that's another story.
Are you fucking kidding me? You think I'm falsifying quotes now?
I always got the impression that THI was independent from almost the time of the original netsphere disaster, and that Seu was not very "modern" but born a bit afterwards and kept alive for ages by his wAIfu mensab.
>and I find it very difficult to explain how Cibo came to carry Net Genes in her orb thing unless it came from Seu's DNA sample
I thought the netsphere genes were either downloaded from that provisional net access terminal, or they were from Sanakan when she fucked the Chibo/safeguard hybrid.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on either of those points though.
Muslim women aren't allowed to be this sexy.
Not even the same poster you were responding to. I was just pointing out the obvious. If it gets on your nerves repeating the same things you aren't under an obligation to repeat them.
Yep, essentially. It says "Blame Reference Books List". It's odd, though - he attributes certain specific things to certain works, but entirely omits other things that came from the same works. And he only attributes anything specific at all to the first five in that list.
What I mean by the first bit: it says that he took inspiration for Cibo's name from Great Sky River. Then it goes on to Feersum; he doesn't mention "Killeen" or the Mechs or anything else. And Feersum is just listed as having been the inspiration for the name "Netsphere". And so on, and so forth. God knows why; he probably just thought he'd be sued or something.
One of these days I should make an "essential blame-core" reading list infographic out of this.