Who knows? When Tappei is updating, it's usually a chapter every few days.
Anyhow, there seems to be a character named "Tia" that everyone likes from the new Rem IF novel, going by twitter comments. Some people apparently wanted Rem and Subaru to adopt her.
Oh, and someone mentioned Capella in a tweet about the book. Not sure why she'd be brought up, but there you have it. As far as I can decipher, it seems things didn't start out so well for them.
Summaryanon is in the intermission between Arcs 4 and 5.
There's 9 chapters but he's skipping 2 (that aren't plot or main-cast relevant).
So... estimate here, we'll get to Arc 5 in 2 or 3 weeks?
They only have two kids who are still very small even after like 9 years or so of marriage. Clearly baby-making wasn't the first thing coming to their mind after they got married. So stop saying like they are that horny.
Oni are the least fertile race, and Rigel was conceived in their first year together. Meaning Subaru got her pregnant when she was 17-18. The IF stories mention that this did indeed happen because they were just that horny.
But they literally accidentally had Rigel within the first year even with the terrible fecundity of Oni. Then they held off so Rigel could be old enough to take care of his younger siblings before flipping into full baby making mode. Rem wants a soccer team, she might as well be trying to land on the moon in Oni terms.
>Subaru-kun I heard that Onis don't get pregnant easily so it's okay to go nuts. Also I heard everyone I've ever known got butchered by witch cultists and then a giant cat froze the kingdom so we should do something to distract ourselves.
Rem and Ram were the only Oni born to an entire village in at least a decade or so. I'm pretty sure the Natsuki Rem chapters mention they were having a lot of sex, and that's how Rigel happened.
Onis have the lowest fertility rates of all races, they had sex every day for a year or withing a year to get a Rigel.
>subaru dies a shitload trying to beat Elsa/save Emilia
>goes a little nuts over like 88 deaths
>figures out a way to save Emilia and recruits Elsa
>story goes on from there
it's been a little bit since I read it though.
>The spillovers of battle echo behind him, distant.
>Buildings collapse one after another throughout the blazing Capital, shrieks and wails echoing through this hell. Children calling for parents, parents calling for children, men calling for women, women calling for men in the screeching pandemonium of this hell.
>Yes. This is the hell that Subaru created. Created this hell, destroyed Reinhardt's false image, and achieved his goal.
That's the only difference, though it leads into him dying 88 times only for fucking Reinhardt to show up out of nowhere and accidentally solve the loop like it's nothing.
He definitely has the makings for a petty reprehensible lunatic creep but he needs to be broken a little before it sets in
Subaru has psychopath potential, but Subaru's mostly just an obnoxious jackass deep down. With the right conditions, he could have been a decent Bishop. And by decent, I mean a total shithead.
I'd argue he's already crazy, its just that there a a few things that tie him together preventing him from going full-blown crazy.
I want to see Subaru finally form a mouth and have a proper conversation with the archbishops talking in his head soon, if Subaru is anything like he was with the Witches there will be some fun banters.
keep on truckin senpai. Rewatching and reading some Rem stuff has healed my heart this week.
Why are one of the most horrible people in this series so entertaining? Why do they have such good chemistry with the MC?
Because Subaru and the Witches are from the same template, inherently villainous people get along well with other inherently villanous people. Maybe except for Carmilla, all Subaru wanted to do was bash her face in because she tried to copy his beloved blue haired waifu.
I dunno if you can call them inherently villanous anon. Since all Minverva wanted to do was heal people, Echidna just wanted to experiment, Typhon wanted to serve justice on sinners, Dahene wanted to end world hunger, Sekhmet wanted to find a place where she be lazy all day and Carmilla just wanted to be treated like a normal girl. Its just their methods towards that goal are nonsensical.
The only thing stopping Subaru from being a psychopath is that he's never gotten the chance to kill anybody.
First time he does, he'll call off the whole "spiral into madness" thing and just dive straight in.
Minerva killed large numbers of people purely out of self-satisfaction. Echidna was well intentioned.
The road to he'll is paved with good intentions, the road to heaven is paved with good works.Typhon wanted to kill people so she could feel like she was above them. Daphne was just as eager to end overpopulation.
Carnilla and Sekhmet I'll give you though.
>there'd be a bunch of half-breed Onis running
Oni pride made them kille single-horned onis, easily they wouldn't let half-breeds to be either
>or Ram would be pregnant
It's actually they didn't actually have sex, and othewise Roswaal is not interested in having a demi off-spring so he most likely used contraceptives with her
my maid folder is lacking please post blue maids. pink maid is cool too.
He didn't 'call it quits' he got ground into paste. He was still active before he was utterly annihilated from being on fire and crushed into nothing. All messing with the book did was piss him off and reaching for it caused him to fall outside the windbreak protection and get pulled away.
>Oh shit, it's the newest dank jap meme thread.
>Nope, it's just another Rezero thread.
Nah, she's gonna confess to him anyway and take him from her, for closure!
You didn't read the spoilers? It was
all an elaborate prank.
>That's a cool name
>But it'd be cooler if it started with an S like mine and sort of sounded like it had something to do with stars like mine and man I got it okay it's awesome da-da-da-daaaah Satella!!!!!!
>I love nicknames
Re:zero was shit, the plot was constantly getting reset rehasing a decent amount of episodes, even though it matters to the story for Subaru to learn that way it's not enjoyable when episodes merge into one. The element he was unable to tell anyone made interactions with others made it one sided as fuck, you don't really feel like Emilia is a friend of subarus, just someone that wants to help. It takes so long to finally get to the real villian, that at least was an improvement. Subaru is also such a beta, scared fuck having him being the only real main character most of the time made it unenjoyable, and characters like Rem and Emilia are just to oh so perfect and nice.
>The real villain of the series
>but Subaru lost his memories
Holy shit I haven't been to the thread in a while what the fuck did I miss?
He's probably reading his twitter and lurking 2ch with a shit-eating grin
>Tappei gets hit by a truck and isekai'd before Rem wakes up
what do you do?
I will endure this Arc 6
Rem will wake up someday
read some of the stuff a while ago but i dont remember exactly what chapter i left off at
it was just after the crusch and rem stuff and subaru and co. were trying to figure out what to do
so im guessing i start exactly at arc 4 or is there some more before?
Crusch and Rem get attacked in Interlude 2 and then comes Interlude 3. Then Arc 4. My advice is to read all the available chapters on Chicken's site and then move to anon.
Because what Roswaal wants isn't what Subaru wants. The Gospel shows its holder that prime path to his or her desires. Meaning anything deviating from that will make achieving Roswaal's goals unlikely or not in the way he wants.
Except Roswaal's gospel could've lived longer if it didn't go against Subaru, so it clearly wasn't the optimal path. Roswaal himself says that making Emilia ruler is in line with his plans, so theoretically the gospel should've told him to at least support Subaru up until Emilia wins the throne.
[Emilia: The reason Rem-san came to reeally love you. I’m sure it’s because she got to see Subaru’s good side up close, a lot. You’re kind of like a disease that sometimes becomes really incredible, and does some reeally incredible things]
[Subaru: A disease? I… can’t actually deny that]
Subaru scratched his cheek and pouted, showing his dissatisfaction. Emilia, unaffected, held her stern expression as if to say “it’s true you know”, then, closing her eyes
[Emilia: I won’t fall for you that easily you know]
[Subaru: That makes the effort all the more worth it! One day, I will make Emilia-tan go all gooey and fall for me, wake Rem from her sleep, and settle this in a nice way. Aaaah, I’m smiling just thinking about it!]
>6 months ago
>[Emilia: The reason Rem-san came to reeally love you. I’m sure it’s because she got to see Subaru’s good side up close, a lot.
>[Emilia: I won’t fall for you that easily you know]
wtf is this shit? Is she trashtalking Rem? And since when does Emilia understand anything about falling for someone?
>[Emilia: I won’t fall for you that easily you know]
it will be too late
HAIL THE DARK LORD AND HIS PROPHET SUMMARYANON
>One day, I will make Emilia-tan go all gooey and fall for me, wake Rem from her sleep, and settle this in a nice way. Aaaah, I’m smiling just thinking about it!
Things like this are what makes me think the romance in this series is shit, which is a shame because it could have been fucking amazing if the author sticked with Rem romance and expanded it rather than come up with some dumbass love triangle and make everything complicated for no good reason.
Gospel does not account for RBD and Satella which is why it lost. And if what you say was true it would have done that but you don't know that nor do you have any basis for it. So safe to say that unilaterally supporting Subaru and Emilia is going to screw him over. Besides the Gospel isn't prefect with prediction abilities, but it's more than it's wrong when Subaru isn't fucking things up by making it harder to draw a path to the future. Pete understood how bad this was when Subaru appeared beofre despite not being written for to do so.
Dark Lord Fourier >>> Dark Lord Subaru
People should express their anger at the author instead. He could have settled the romance perfectly by making Rem the only love interest after Subaru realized how huge she was to him and killed himself for her. But no he overcomplicated it, made it drag on forever, and paved the way for endless waifuwar debates even though the love triangle is not even good to begin with. So instead of being more compelling and believable, the romance is now just silly and also much less enjoyable.
None of which had anything to do with an innocuous comment. You're stupid hair trigger buthurt every single little thing about romance in this shows you need go outside or something. No every fucking is attack or defense for your waifu. It's childish things like why trolls and other people shit fanbase so much around here.
Just fuck off with that nonsense already and take stick out of your ass.
I'm not ESL and I don't give a shit about Emilia or Rem. I just hate you fags for shitting up the threads 90% of the time with your crying. So take you boogieman and shove it already. No wonder lots of people hate on Remfags.
I'ts admittedly really fuzzy as morally (instead of legally) speaking you can't draw a clean line about at which age consent is genuine.
Some legitimately civilized countries have age of consent as low as 14 for example
I did. You're bitching about Subaru choosing someone he had been love with since near the beginning of this series. That's your entirely fucking post. My point stands.
If you don't like Subaru loves two people than write your own stupid story and take your buthurt with you.
It's mentioned in an Arc 6 chapter that she killed most of her race, who abandoned her because she was a runt. An older Q&A mentions that Giants are scarce because Sekhmet killed most of them.
Emilia isn't actually 14 though. Her age is really meaningless here because it's not linear. So if Subaru fucks her nobody will think anything weird of it. Heck, Crusch, Ram and Wilhelm support the ship or at least aware of it. So it really more about whenever she ready once she sorts her subconscious feelings.
No anon I just want to make the romance actually good. Hell I would actually prefer having no romance at all to having to see this dumbass love triangle that gives me rage every single goddamn time I read it. Like do you seriously think Subaru memeflirting with Emilia and saying stupid shit like "I love two girls equally and want to fuck both," "Just you wait, I will make you mine" like a jackass despite just having emotional and tragic moments like the suicide scene, Carmilla scene, and his visit to Rem's room every night scene, etc. is okay? Is your taste for romance story that terrible?
People who know Emilia seem to treat her like a child in some respects, so her maturity is an issue. The reason she doesn't know about sex is because everyone thinks she's not ready to know yet.
Pairing shit is a part of plot and not something dragged into fucking everything. Moreover waifwars are just same song and dances when bitch characters you don't like. You act like the author is entitled to hear you whine because you have a mouth and opinion. In reality nobody cares how you want Rem to win and Emilia to lose or vice versa. It's overdone and old already.
Well the point is the morality of the act in itself instead of what other people would think of it. Subaru knows that mentally she is younger than it looks, but being 13-14 it might be old enough that convincing her to have sex might not count as taking advantage
No you're bitching about him not choosing Rem and suddenly dropping his feeling for another person. This last I'm going to respond to you because your clearly too dense to even get that base reasoning.
Arc 5 says it's because they're all too overprotective of Emilia. They aren't going to give her a book.
That's not much of a twist. The Witches caused more trouble than the Bishops. There are no safe Witches. Minerva comes the closest, but she's still fucking up shit somewhere else whenever she heals people.
are you a fucking animeonly? my problem is that he doesn't choose at all, I would stop giving a fuck when he finally does but the author will drag this dumb romance until the very end and until then we will have those retarded waifuwars in every thread
>we will have those retarded waifuwars in every thread
We'll have these retarded waifuwars as long as people want to keep them going. It'd be pretty easy if people could just let people bitch about characters and plot elements without arguing too much about it.
>Subaru: “No, was just thinking that mulling over things without being frantic about it is bliss. Wow! No matter how everything falls, there's no bloodshed and nobody dies!”
>Subaru shoots her a thumbs up, his teeth sparkling, but Emilia looks at him with incredible pity.
>Subaru thinks back on his statement, figuring that he must have said something strange. And then shocks himself at what a brutal, inappropriate comment it was, and how impoverished his desires are.
I don't want any waifu wars, I don't care about who wins or loses the Subarubowl, just please, please wake Rem up already, Tappei.
They certainly do considering they have outright comment or tease Subaru about it. Or are you saying the text is suddenly lying?
Doesn't work what way? He's 17 and her mental age 14 not her actual age. Very little of this factors into their ship which treated like normal teenage romance. Tappei and rest of fandom don't give fuck so your nitpicking and excuse don't mean anything thing.
Yes, but rarely. They don't act or talk down to her at all about things she doesn't know. They explain to her like you would to an adult who didn't know customs. That's why there no bad blood or annoyance on her part.
The law doesn't give a shit unless you have some mental issues (e.g. you're heavily retarded) or you are under the age of consent.
Emilia's not under the age of consent and does not have any type of mental illness, the law in our world would not be an issue.
Now if you consider their world, I'm sure they give even less of a fuck.
>They certainly do considering they have outright comment or tease Subaru about it. Or are you saying the text is suddenly lying?
Crush and Wilhelm barely talked to Emilia, ever. How can they support a relationSHIP if they only know one of the involved? It could have been any girl and they'd have said the exact same.
>They explain to her like you would to an adult who didn't know customs.
That's also how they explain it to the literal children. Has anyone in this story talked down to a child?
>and rest of fandom don't give fuck
I've actually seen Japanese people express annoyance with it. You can't just an entire fandom from just one venue.
But Subaru operates by our world's laws, so it's intellectually dishonest of him to romantically love a girl he acknowledges as "mentally loli" especially when he says he's not into lolis.
And considering it under a purely legalistic view is very obtuse
I'm considering it from Subaru's view. Subaru says he's not into lolis, while acknowledging Emilia as being mentally a loli. Therefore we can say that Subaru is the type of guy who would knowingly fuck physically mature 13 year olds.
>But Subaru operates by our world's laws
Yes, and our world laws don't care. I just mentioned it, you retard. Our world cares only about how mature your body is and if you have some mental issue, Emilia doesn't have any of that.
> so it's intellectually dishonest of him to romantically love a girl he acknowledges as "mentally loli" especially when he says he's not into lolis.
So whenever it fits your narrative, Subaru is both lying and both telling the truth, huh?
Fine, then he clearly lied and he's into lolis, since he also jokes about how only hot guys can get away with being lolicons.
Or maybe he doesn't really consider Emilia a "loli" and he sees her as a 14 year old naive, innocent girl.
Subaru doesn't just recognize her as 14 as a mental age isn't a real age. He also recognizes her actual age. Even then he's only 3 years older if you instead on using mental age and looks just as old as him. He doesn't talk to her like he's older than her either. Basically he has no problem pursing her, but he just don't want to push into a romantic relationship until she completely conformable with it rather than her being undecided but leaning towards yes.
dragging out the romance IS bad writing, why do you think it was revealed that Subaru also loves Rem right before she got nom'd? So people would still read that shit instead of dropping it because they hate the SubaruEmilia romance. The author is not confident enough in his writing so he comes up with shit like "he loves them both! please keep reading!" instead of making a clear point
The fact that Subaru would have fucked Emilia if she were a bit more mature really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It's like Rem revealed to be Subaru's heart's girl in that one scene is so meaningless and loses lots of impacts now because Subaru gives no shit about her and still wants to fuck Emilia first anyway.
your perception of time is kinda fucked (as in he said that shit SEVERAL chapters before getting omnomnombdsadwnomnommfgfnom'd) and people can love multiple people
of course an animeonly fag reading the pastebin summaries would say some stupid shit like this
just because you're not capable of a kind of emotion doesnt mean others arent
>dragging out the romance IS bad writing
No, this is a non sequitur. It could be a case of bad writing if we weren't given a motivation.
>why do you think it was revealed that Subaru also loves Rem right before she got nom'd?
So we're given a reason for his incessant obsession with waking her up and talking to her at night?
>So people would still read that shit instead of dropping it because they hate the SubaruEmilia romance.
Riiiiiiight... That's exactly why this author wrote those scenes.
>The author is not confident enough in his writing so he comes up with shit like "he loves them both! please keep reading!" instead of making a clear point
Or maybe, it's a case of the character really loving both.
Or maybe he's emotionally immature.
Or maybe he loves one of them but lies to himself that he loves both.
Or maybe he really loves no one and he lies to himself that he is capable of love.
It's clear to me at this point that Re:Zero fans are retarded.
the only reason Subaru didn't fuck Emilia yet is because the author is too afraid to piss off the Remfags since "he loves them both equally" so he must treat them equally. Emilia did get a kiss already, she can't get another one until Rem gets one. That whole bs about Emilia not knowing what sex is and "kisses make babies" is just an excuse to drag out the romance
And he did choose which was both of them. Doesn't mean polygamy ending will happen, but that his stance. It wouldn't be weird for that ending to occur either since a number of LNs like Zero's Familiar have done it.
>(as in he said that shit SEVERAL chapters before getting omnomnombdsadwnomnommfgfnom'd)
are you stupid? Do you think the author doesn't plan this shit beforehand? He bets that people like you don't see this whole bullshit he's doing
It's not like she was 8-9 when her guardians were butchered in her face. Clearly, they should have taught the 8-9 year old about sex and making babies because we're in a modern setting, yep.
Please read the WN before you bullshit.
I don't think Subaru gives a shit about order. Also, Subaru seems to be hesitant about actually making progress in the later Arcs, and that is something that he relates to Rem. Right now, I just think Subaru experiences an extreme level of cognitive dissonance, and doesn't actually want to analyze his own feelings too deeply.
His mind has been all twisted around into a fucking pretzel by everything, and so there are certain contradictions in his attitude. He likes how Emilia compliments him in this latest chapter, but he starts feeling uncomfortable with it in later Arcs. He's looking forward to making progress with her, then he's uneasy about it later.
Subaru probably memeboys because that's easier than untangling the complete mess that his thoughts and feelings are.
But he already wants to fuck Emilia even though his heart's girl that is Rem still sleeping, doesn't he? That's what I meant by "first." Rem revealed to be Subaru's heart's girl is so unnecessary now because order clearly doesn't matter and Subaru will fuck anyone within his reach regardless of who he loves more.
Arc 2 was the one where he wanted to fuck Emilia, though he dropped most of his focus on losing his virginity or getting cucked by Roswaal by the end of that one.
Japanese has an odd way of not exactly having plurals in the same way we have here. Rem could either be "The girl in his heart" or "A girl in his heart". But yes. Subaru would fuck either of them. Maybe. Subaru often talks or thinks bigger than what he'd actually go through with.
If Emilia suddenly wanted to fuck him, he'd probably chicken out.
Re:zero romance explained
>write SE romance
>people don't like it that much
>write SR romance because it's necessary for "from zero"
>Rem gets super popular
>Subaru rejects Rem
>fans are upset, dropping the show
>author comes up with the "he loves them both " idea
>Remfags are happy, keep reading
>put Rem in coma right after confession
>coma= she'll come back
>now SE has as much time as needed to become popular
>Subaru kisses Emilia
>oh wait, he can't do more/gain because that wouldn't be equal and fair to Rem
>afraid of losing the Ramfag readers again
>Emilia is a child mentally and Subaru doesn't want to abuse that! <- author's excuse
The people who know that she mental 14 which is just Subaru don't care. It doesn't change his feelings and he doesn't treat her like a loli.
Since when do they have know Emilia intimately to know how Subaru feels about her? How does that make any sense? This not about Emilia's feelings but his! Everyone from Roswaal to Wilhelm knows because he wears his feelings on his sleeve when he's around her. WTF
>That's also how they explain it to the literal children. Has anyone in this story talked down to a child?
...What in the world are talking about? People teach others do not do so as if they are talking with kids unless they are taking to literal kid. When Ram was teaching Subaru how to write was treating him like a kid? When Emilia was helping him read some books in the library before their departure to Sanctuary was sh treating him like a kid?
>I've actually seen Japanese people express annoyance with it. You can't just an entire fandom from just one venue.
I don't care what some Japanese feel about it, just majority and those who interact with Tappei do. Many of these people are to busy drawing fanarts of both pairings even as fans of either Emilia or Rem to care. It just further shows how stupid and unproductive the arguing about all this is. We can talk about it for years and wouldn't make either pairing likely to because you don't like the other one.
>fans are upset, dropping the show
The WN you mean.
Also WN anon, how many comments said they'd drop it when "From Zero" came? I only heard you mention people still holding out for Rem to win or waiting for Emilia to get development too
One would think Subaru would change after being in love with Rem and especially after that Carmilla's scene, but nope. Clearly Rem romance made no impact on Subaru whatsoever here, which makes me feel so pissed.
So why isn't he lusting after Betty and Petra? Hell Betty would willing fuck him at this point and she probably doesn't know much about romance either.
It's pretty obvious that Subaru doesn't put much weight into a intangible age he just came up with.
>It's clear to me at this point that Re:Zero fans are retarded.
Well the ones on here anyway. Most of them here a waifufags who attacking other ships because they think it will make their ship win.
...nothing in common besides hair color
>...What in the world are talking about?
In this story, has anyone ever talked down to the children who are literally children? It's hard to distinguish if people treat a character as a child or not if they treat adults and children in a more or less similar manner in most circumstances.
The only times in this series that I recall people talking down to children was mostly when they deliberately wanted to annoy someone. Like Roswaal with Ram, or Subaru with Betty. The only exception I recall being when Emilia was treating Subaru like an idiot child.
And later Subaru is hesitant about actually developing a closer relationship with Emilia. I don't put too much weight on his every frivolous thought. But yes, he's still attracted to Emilia.
>Subaru will fuck anyone within his reach regardless of who he loves more
Except Subaru doesn't love Rem more. He never thinks about fucking Rem and Emilia in the first place. He's embarrassed about just kissing Emilia! Or even holding hands.
>He never thinks about fucking Rem and Emilia in the first place.
I'm pretty sure he's fantasized about that all before, though he's even fantasized about Ram visiting him to attend to some "evening business". Which he said out loud, in front of everyone.
Still looks fucking generic
Even Sims random character creation would be more original than this
> though he's even fantasized about Ram visiting him to attend to some "evening business". Which he said out loud, in front of everyone.
Wait, wait, when did this happen?
What was their reaction?
That's nice in fanficton land, but Rem was going end up that way regardless since had planned out Arc 3 long ago. Plus there little to no fans that SubxEmi romance either. Most just like Rem without external factors which is Japanese Remfags draw SubxEmi ship too.
Arc 2. That's the scene where he was trying to guess what Ram's real job was, since she was such an inferior maid to her sister, and that's what he settled on.
I think the sisters reacted with the same kind of disgusted bantz that they had been doing the whole time.
>Subaru is hesitant about actually developing a closer relationship with Emilia
Only because of her immaturity and mental age, right? That's what makes the romance so distasteful and confusing. It's just hard to tell who Subaru's real love interest is because it seems that he just wants to fuck people left and right and often swings between being a husbando and being a legit asshole just in a split second.
>That's what makes the romance so distasteful and confusing. It's just hard to tell who Subaru's real love interest is because it seems that he just wants to fuck people left and right
Holy shit, you really are retarded.
>but Rem was going end up that way regardless since had planned out Arc 3 long ago
in coma maybe but she most likely wasn't planned to be a love interest
>Most just like Rem without external factors which is Japanese Remfags draw SubxEmi ship too.
a few artists drawing both ships doesn't mean anything, there're thousands of fans afterall
Julius may be the "Greatest Knight", but Ferri is the Cutest and Kindest Knight.
The hair really is what most sets him apart from literally every other isekai / harem MC ever.
>enforcing the Emilia romance
yeah from the beginning to the end. Why do you think Subaru's obsession with Emilia doesn't make much sense to so many people? Simply because the author is a biased bitch and thought that everyone will be as obsessed with her as he is
the double romance past "from zero" was unnecessary. Subaru should have loved only one of the girls. Love only Emilia and don't give Rem hints after rejecting her, or love only Rem and save Emilia because Rem expects him to do that. Loving both is just bad writing and only so that both fanbases would keep reading and giving him money.
Well, since she has been associated with his main heroine delusions from the start, I guess Emilia romance will either end up as a "lie" that became "real" or a "lie" that Subaru rejects for "true love" with Rem or just simple polygamy end. So I'm very interested in what the answer will be at the end
The logic is actually worse than that.
The idea is not that he was mistaken but rather that he knew Rem was the better one but instead of picking his best creation he decided to use underhanded tactics to shove his shitty elf down the readers' throat in a willfully wrong narrative choice
>Who cares what you think, you pleb? Rem or Emilia won't wet your dick, fuck off.
>implying anyone likes the idea of him going for both girls
No anon, I'm not speaking just for myself
>both fanbases would keep reading and giving him money.
according to you're shitty logic he should have write a harem story instead because more girls gives him more money,
also Tappei stated long time ago that he doesn't even care about the money, he still works in a butcher shop
Nah. Subaru is going to fuck up his memories even worse, leave the tower, and find himself in the past. 18 years, to be precise.
Then he's going to call himself Aldebaran, and that's why Arc 7 is going to have Aldebaran as a major focus.
Are Re:Zero fags usually this arrogant? Seriously chill out retards. Some people here just want to give some suggestions to improve the romance writing. Its not like they are shitting in your cereal or something.
>But this time Beatrice does not do it, and instead she simply stares at Subaru's hand, hesitant.
>Subaru: “What's up? I do wash my hands after going to the bathroom.”
>Beatrice: “I wasn't worried about that, but now that thought's going to be in my head and it's
disgusting, in fact! No, it's something else...”
*faceplams at Subaru*
>"w-why won't my waifu win, Tappei? why must you be the author!"
You done fucked it up anon. I actually want to have a no romance at all rather than the shitty one we're having now.
>You done fucked it up anon.
>I actually want to have a no romance...
I respect you, man.
>...at all rather than the shitty one we're having now.
No, ok, kill yourself.
I kinda want Ferri to become Subaru's good friend
No, I'm sure you guys want closure, closure with your preferred characters, and as fast as possible, so you can then cry that the romance sucks because the romance is going too fast, or fanboy over it like madmen since Tappei finally is writing your fanfiction for you.
Motivations or plot points don't matter to you as long as you can feel your dick getting wet.
>Motivations or plot points don't matter to you as long as you can feel your dick getting wet.
did you ever think about that Subaru doesn't have to love Emilia/Rem in order to save them? It's not necessary for someone to be ion love to have the will to save someone, it's fucking bad writing
>It's not necessary for someone to be ion love to have the will to save someone, it's fucking bad writing
I'm not sure we're on the same page anymore, anon-chan.
By the way, while I never said this, I'll still defend it since you're that fucking retarded.
Since when is it bad writing to give someone a higher motivation to do something? Only you think this way, anon-chan.
>It's not necessary for someone to be ion love to have the will to save someone, it's fucking bad writing
He saves plenty of people he's not in love with, that was never an issue with this series.
Shit, what kind of argument is this? It's not necessary to "love" them so he shouldn't? Details man
Ferri is a good and kind person, not a cunt like how some of you try to make him be.
>Since when is it bad writing to give someone a higher motivation to do something? Only you think this way, anon-chan
Doing it with one girl is fine, doing it with both is just lazy/bad writing. It's as if Subaru wouldn't want to help Emilia/Rem if he wasn't in love with them
>He saves plenty of people he's not in love with, that was never an issue with this series.
how much did the story focus on someone other than Emilia/Rem from the people he saved?
>doing it with both is just lazy/bad writing
>"BECAUSE I SAY SO, ANON. IF I WERE THE AUTHOR, SUBARU WOULD FUCK WHO I SAY HE SHOULD"
>It's as if Subaru wouldn't want to help Emilia/Rem if he wasn't in love with them
>Rushes back at arc 3
>Subaru's strolling through a massacred mansion
>*looks at Ram and Petra on the floor*
>"Nah, fuck these people"
You know who is a cunt? Roswaal.
You know who is not a cunt? Ferri.
>"I have the power to come back from death."
>"This girl saved my life and she's a nice person, (I might also have some space aids from the witch that tell me to love her, but whatever)"
>"Fuck this elf."
Just the whole "i love both " is worse than than "i can't choose one " drama , it feel like the author died on emilia from the very beginning thus killing other possibilities , than when Rem became much more poplar and the emelia romance turned out to be meh , that when he brought himself to the corner and had to pull the "he love both " BS so people won't drop the shit out of this , not just that they still spam Rem fan service all around
No, I could literally point out all possibilities since we don't know anything about the situation and they'd fit there just fine, mongoloid.
>Just the whole "i love both " is worse
>"WHY WON'T THIS AUTHOR FIT MY TASTES SPECIFICALLY"
> than when Rem became much more poplar and the emelia romance turned out to be meh
Yet he planned these arcs before she got popular. I think everyone's getting tired of this "Tappei's a 4d chess meister" meme already.
>arc 1: I love dying! It's totally worth it if it's for this qt half elf!
>arc 3: Oh man, I spend so much time with qt elf and now I'm in love with her but dying sucks so fuck her!
>Rem dies, nah man I can't kill myself to save her
>falls for Rem, time to stab my throat because now I love her and have reasons to save her!
>Oh I'm about to get my character to do tons of important shit in this arc. But I'm pretty sure she wouldn't get popular and people wouldn't somehow begin to like her romance.
>Promises to save Emilia because he loves her
>Promises to save Rem because he loves her
>Promises to save Satella because he loves her
>it's not lazy writing! People don't try to save someone unless they are in love!
Tappei can see into the future, people.
How many times have authors told that to themselves and got shat on, anon? Marketing isn't foolproof, meaning he couldn't have possibly known the reactions would have been what they were, and we know he planned the arcs beforehand.
None of you can mention why somehow, "two timing" or the endless plethora of possible reasons for why Subaru acts this way are "bad writing" except "I don't like this." or "My group doesn't like it.".
Tappei also didn't plan to bamboozle anyone.
Which is? From what I can see, nothing's happening because Rem is still a potato and Subaru's having his own issues.
But Felt and Rom aren't people, they're criminals.
Why should the story focus on that? We always focus on the main characters, you retard. Otherwise they're not main characters.
>I'd read that.
Nips are actually speculating about Aldebaran in the Re:Zero thread right now, wondering if the tower has anything to do with why he's an amnesiac. Even people wondering if his power is a reduced form of RbD.
Of course, they've been having crack theories about Aldebaran being future Subaru since Al was introduced, and that was before they knew he was isekai'd. Apparently their mannerisms are just that similar.
There are so many theories right now, but with how the IF stories work, it's not impossible that there are multiple Subaru's around in several forms by now.
I can't wait to see how this ends.
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>Why should the story focus on that? We always focus on the main characters, you retard.
The focus would still be on Subaru, like always. The person he saves doesn't have to be a romantic interest but the author doesn't seem to know that. How do you not get that?
I'm saying it's a possibility, so it's my headcanon, but if you consider that there's time fuckery involved (you don't even need to include Echidna's theories), characters like Puck, Flugel and Aldebaran could be Subaru in one form or another.
The guy is stupid and loves leaving incredibly misleading statements (that sound like he knows what the fuck he's taking about) lying there without ever supplementing them when it turns out it was just misinterpretation, overinflated, or headcanon
>The focus would still be on Subaru, like always.
>Why should he focus on other characters?
reading comprehension isn't your thing huh?
Right now Subaru focuses on saving Rem and the story makes it look like that he only does that because he loves her and as if he wouldn't do it if she was just a friend. It was the same deal with Emilia in arc 3.
"What ifs" most literally. That's really what I meant. They're different roads for Subaru that drastically change the other character's situations.
No, it's clear my reading comprehension is faulty right now, because I see you repeating yourself on a matter that you still think you have a leg to stand on, maybe I'm just wrong.
>Right now Subaru focuses on saving Rem and the story makes it look like that he only does that because he loves her
No, he's being so obsessive about it because he loves her, so this...
Does not exclude this:
>and as if he wouldn't do it if she was just a friend.
>It was the same deal with Emilia in arc 3.
Is an important plot point because he wanted to give up.
And yes he was spazzing out about a girl coming to his room. Let's not forget he could barely concentrate on his work when came to Emilia help him study in Arc 2. Dude is no Casanova or gigolo anon. Honestly, he's very innocent in this area himself.
>no focus on saving someone he doesn't love
Has everyone forgotten
Clearly not the kind of love these anons are bitching about
There was a big part of Arc 4 dedicated to it, yes.
If you want focus for an entire arc no shit it will be main characters
>Subaru: “I don't mind being with her all hours of the day, but that defeats the point of leaving the Archive. If she's making memories, then the pages of her photo album ought to have as many people in them as possible.”
>Since she has to compensate for four centuries of blank pages.
>If Subaru consumes all of the space in her album, it's going to get samey quick.
>Her memories need to be full of lots of people and lots of faces. Subaru believes it best to stand at her side as she clicks the shutter, sometimes slipping into the frame.
>Emilia: “Subaru... sometimes you are sooo cool.”
>Subaru: “Huh, what, seriously? What happened, what RNG was that!?”
>Emilia: “It really is only sometimes though.”
Backhand complimenting Subaru is an Emilia Camp hobby. Poor guy.
It's not as if there are really no reasons to shit on a plot point like this.
Yes and yes. I don't need immediate closure and I don't follow any camp, I want to see what Subaru is doing.
>implying the author doesn't drag out the romance on purpose
I'm interested in what he's building up to since Rem vs Emilia has thematic relevance in the series regarding what a true relationship actually is
>I'm interested in what he's building up to since Rem vs Emilia has thematic relevance in the series regarding what a true relationship actually is
It has no thematic relevance, it's just pandering to the fans. Both relationship will maintain until the very end and then one of them will die or rejected, most likely Rem since she has no main character plot armor and the author is a biased Emiliafag. There'll be no explanation on why Subaru is so obsessed with Emilia and no justification for why Emilia should win cause she doesn't.
>it's bad because ad populum
That's what I want, which one he rejects is the answer to what the story actually considered the better form of love.
It's not like being in love was pointless. Both Rem and Emilia have developed because of the effort Subaru put into them and vice versa
I think that particular image is just very poorly composed. It's trying to cram too much in there, and not in a way that works.
As I've said before, Emilia being there just distracts from where the focus should be in that scene.
>There'll be no explanation on why Subaru is so obsessed with Emilia and no justification for why Emilia should win cause she doesn't.
>somehow people's feelings need to have some conscious motivation
The opposite of this is "Anything popular is a masterpiece.".
>somehow people's feelings need to have some conscious motivation
This is fucking fiction you dumb fuck. The audience is supposed to relate to that shit and be able to understand why something is like it is. When most people prefer the Rem romance over the Emilia romance then it probably has some good reasons.
It's not just this image, though, it's this illustrator in general. The way he draws some things just seems incredibly lazy. Look at the eyebrows for example. They are always thin lines (with the exception of Frederica). Even with stylisation in mind, there is no excuse for this, it's just lazy drawing. Then there's his incredibly lazy shading which takes away a lot of depth from the illustrations. He's using digital art so he should have even more of an easy time adding depth than traditional artists.
Mind you, I'm not trying to shit on him, I just think it falls flat considering my personal preferences. I'm a fan of somewhat realistic illustrations.
It's just that I can't completely put my finger on it, but at least I'm trying. Something about his illustrations just irk me and makes me think of them as "flat". I guess in the end it just comes down to personal taste.
>This is fucking fiction you dumb fuck.
That doesn't mean you need to be spoonfed to this level. You're clearly told who they want to fuck and you then think of all that plot that has been thrown at you and try to understand why exactly that faggot MC picked that girl.
>The audience is supposed to relate
No, the audience doesn't have to relate to anything written there, you can read a story and be completely detached from it.
> and be able to understand why something is like it is.
I'm sorry, but we usually don't go into details like "The characters are talking Japanese." because you're too autistic to notice by yourself.
>When most people prefer the Rem romance over the Emilia romance then it probably has some good reasons.
Like, wish fulfillment?
Fuck off, ESL. What you're proving now is that you're too impatient and are judging the plot based on missing information that you'll be given later.
>this is fiction
I meant that there's a guy writing this stuff. He wrote the Emilia romance AND the Rem romance. He's responsible for what the audience want and how they feel about certain plot points. Subaru doesn't exist and his feelings are not real, they are manufactured by a jap single man. Your logic about how "somehow people's feelings need to have some conscious motivation" doesn't make ANY sense here and is just a retarded excuse for why your waifu should win. How about you try to argue why one girl is better suited for the MC than the other like we're supposed to?
yeah why do you think it came to this in first place? Do you think the author would write all that shit so nobody would care about it?
>What you're proving now is that you're too impatient and are judging the plot based on missing information that you'll be given later.
No what I've been saying is that the romance has been trash so far due to how annoying, unjustified, confusing, and boring it is. Not saying that it can't be improved so who knows, but hey my point is that it's pretty bad now and I'm concerned by it because I thought it could have been something amazing.
Anyone that calls the author out on his incompetence and criticizes him is automatically ESL, don't you know?
So the claim of bad writing is only contrasted by
>you're complaining because your waifu isn't winning
which is a strawman
>y-you can't prove it's bad writing because judgement of quality isn't judgement of quality
which is utter rubbish
you could at least use better argument like
>it's clear that there is a longer play here
but noo, emiliafags are too stupid to make an actually valid point
>it's clear that there is a longer play here
is it clear though? pretty sure that "longer game" is just baiting the audience to keep reading the story instead of actually something important
>Anyone that calls the author out on his incompetence and criticizes him is automatically ESL, don't you know?
ESL is the one screaming every time "Tappei dont care about you think" though
Also I wouldn't mind this argument nearly as much if it wasn't for the "Tappei 4D chess" shit that should have died long ago
So the romance isn't all that great. Most of the relationships in the story are hard to understand and just leave you kind of confused. Why does Person A love Person B so much? Who the fuck knows.
But ignoring the romance for now, what parts of the story do you actually like?
You can't fully criticize the writing either way because you can't read Japanese, and all you have to work with are fan translations. As for that longer play argument you brought up, whether that is good or bad depends on where and how it concludes, which we don't know yet.It could either be Tappei baiting the audience in to keep reading, like >>157581780 mentioned, or it could be something important that he has planned out well in advance.
>"Tappei 4D chess"
I learned a long time ago that 4D chess doesn't exist, though sometimes authors and fans pretend it does. Expecting there to be any such chess game is setting yourself up for disappointment.
>He's responsible for what the audience want and how they feel about certain plot points
He's not actually responsible for anything of the sorts. How the audience feels depends on them, not on him.
>Subaru doesn't exist and his feelings are not real, they are manufactured by a jap single man
But Subaru does follow some rules, maybe they're our same ones, meaning that "justifications" are aplenty if that's the case, even now.
>doesn't make ANY sense here and is just a retarded excuse for why your waifu should win.
If he picks Emilia, he loves her, so he picked her because of her looks and personality.
If he picks Rem, he loves her, so he picked her because of her looks and personality.
If he picks Petra, he loves her...
>How about you try to argue why one girl is better suited for the MC than the other like we're supposed to?
Because Subaru (Tappei chose it for him) is attracted to that girl because of her psychological and physical traits.
Do you also fall in love with what is deemed "the best" or is it that you have your own tastes, my dude?
>No what I've been saying is that the romance has been trash so far due to how annoying, unjustified, confusing, and boring it is.
"Love" is a rather simple matter, anon. We get attracted physically to someone else, then we drool over them and after that, we tend to finalize staying with these people based on personality.
You can't go more, "boring" and "confusing" than this. The "justification" is that the character sees the person as a proper mate. The "annoyance" surely stems from you wanting something that isn't written there, but that is indeed "unjustified".
>which is a strawman
Almost everyone here mentioned how Rem is a "better choice".
>which is utter rubbish
You first have to prove your "judgement of quality" has anything to do with objectivity, which you cannot do.
>but noo, emiliafags are too stupid to make an actually valid point
I'm in no camp.
>You can't fully criticize the writing either way because you can't read Japanese, and all you have to work with are fan translations.
Until now I assumed that when people is commenting writing they meant narrative choices rather than grammar and lexical quality
Prosaic quality fits under the umbrella term of "writing" as well. There's also the danger of things getting lost in translations, which happens to professional translators as well as hobbyists. So arguably, some of the finer nuances of the narrative get lost due to the language barrier.
>We get attracted physically to someone else, then we drool over them and after that, we tend to finalize staying with these people based on personality.
Pretty sure it doesn't work that way in this series though, hence why it doesn't make sense and makes everything very unsatisfying and ambiguous.
Pretty sure it does, this wasn't finalized either, you idiot. He's not at the last stages.
What we prefer in our mates depends on us and it's not conscious.
If he picks any of them, he preferred to stay with them instead of the others, it's that easy and that's all the justification you should need.
But of course, if "your waifu" wasn't "chosen", Subaru AKA Tappei clearly has shit taste in romance.
I love how the story structure doesn't give a fuck. Every arc feels different and is a ride in itself after Arc 2. That includes putting focus on side characters sometimes which leads to named chapters and an arclong battle royale.
And the speeches and other emotional climaxes.
>He's not actually responsible for anything of the sorts. How the audience feels depends on them, not on him.
Are you serious? He even said in an interview that an characters popularity is a direct factor for how high the waves are. Rem got better scenes because she got so popular. He plans and writes the story and knows what the audience likes and what isn't that great about it. If he knows that Rem is popular and keeps feeding us Rem scenes which are so liked then how the fuck is he not responsible for people liking her so much?
>But Subaru does follow some rules, maybe they're our same ones, meaning that "justifications" are aplenty if that's the case, even now.
What rules does he follow? He fell for Rem for other reasons than he did for Emilia according to the story. There no rules, nothing gets explained properly.
>If he picks Emilia, he loves her, so he picked her because of her looks and personality.
>If he picks Rem, he loves her, so he picked her because of her looks and personality.
Again, this is fiction and Subaru is not real. He has no real tastes or whatever. He didn't fall for Rem for her looks and he didn't fall for Emilia for her personality.
>Because Subaru (Tappei chose it for him) is attracted to that girl because of her psychological and physical traits.
Do you also fall in love with what is deemed "the best" or is it that you have your own tastes, my dude?
Yeah, now you agree that Tappei is responsible for that mess? They are not real, Emilia will not be sad if she loses. rem will not be sad if she loses, the audience are the only people who will feel anything since they're attached to the characters.
Dude Subaru isn't a real person
None of them are real people
Fiction rules work differently and shit feels like a crapshoot if the reader doesn't get a comprehensible reason for why things happen, even if those things do happen for no obvious or sensible reason in reality
>Are you serious? He even said in an interview that an characters popularity is a direct factor for how high the waves are.
>He even said
The Earth is flat, anon. Tappei said so.
So he's taking responsibility for something that isn't his responsibility and I should accept that because he says so?
>If he knows that Rem is popular and keeps feeding us Rem scenes which are so liked then how the fuck is he not responsible for people liking her so much?
Because even if he's writing Rem, that doesn't mean you ought to like Rem?
I'm not sure you get it, anon, but no one is responsible for what you feel, only yourself.
>What rules does he follow?
Real life rules.
>He fell for Rem for other reasons than he did for Emilia according to the story.
>There no rules, nothing gets explained properly.
I guess you've only had one relationship until now and it's still standing.
>Again, this is fiction and Subaru is not real.
That doesn't matter, Tappei is rather real and he didn't say that Subaru is somehow not human and does not follow conventional human rules. From what I remember, he's the most average human being you can get, except the meme part of his.
>He has no real tastes or whatever.
He does, they're the ones Tappei wrote for him. Are you retarded, anon?
>He didn't fall for Rem for her looks and he didn't fall for Emilia for her personality.
This is your headcanon, both of those are important.
>Yeah, now you agree that Tappei is responsible for that mess?
No, you really are retarded, I'm sorry for having asked beforehand. I'm sorry for not having mentioned that Tappei wrote Subaru, just like Tappei forgot to mention he's writing in Japanese and that heterosexual relationships are between a man and a woman.
>Dude Subaru isn't a real person
They follow the same rules, only that they're on paper.
>Fiction rules work differently
No, they don't, unless stated otherwise.
cont from >>157582826
>They are not real, Emilia will not be sad if she loses.
>rem will not be sad if she loses
If Tappei wishes for them to be (and he should if he knew how someone being rejected feels), it will happen.
>the audience are the only people who will feel anything since they're attached to the characters.
Oh right, I'm sorry, I really meant to say that Subaru is actually a representation of someone falling in love with representations of fictional beings like elves and onis and that Subaru as a representation, follows the rules of those representations as much as it is possible for him to do so, e.g. he can never be "alive".
Did you know that we assume "reality" exists so we don't waste our time arguing something endless?
>this wasn't finalized either
You don't need to wait until it's done to judge its quality. That's why I said this here:
>Not saying that it can't be improved so who knows, but hey my point is that it's pretty bad now
The way the romance is processing already doesn't make any sense to begin with, so it sucks at the moment. Again it can be improved and become good later, but as of now it just sucks.
>it's that easy and that's all the justification you should need.
That's not the justification I'm talking about here. The justification I mean is the things that can get my attention and make me care about and enjoy the love triangle. But right now the romance is just dumb, silly, unnecessarily long and can develop in a much better way than it does now. And why does it matter if the romance is shorter and concluded faster? Wouldn't it be actually a good thing because the romance would be less tedious, repetitive and not drag on?
>if "your waifu" wasn't "chosen"
Anon I don't care if Emilia or Rem wins. As I said it, I just want the romance to become better than it is now. The author can do whatever he wants with it for all I care, but I just hope it'll be more enjoyable and believable.
Personally, I tend to like a bit of mystery. Things to be introduced, explored to develop a greater understanding, and perhaps resolved. Not just in the plot, but in the characters and their interactions. Usually the plot and the characters are one and the same, anyways.
The rabbits were never an important obstacle in Arc 4. They were just an arbitrary timelimit to be disposed of once the real issues, Garfiel, Emilia, Roswaal, and Betty, were handled. Elsa and Meili aren't really important to Arc 4 either. They're just an external force which makes handling the internal issues, the ones that really matter, more pressing.
The worldbuilding can be nice, and it's interesting to learn more about the history of the world, but I like to see how interactions between the relevant characters will shape events. In the latest Arc, I'm not really expecting much from Shaula or Reid, but I'm really looking forward to Ram and Julius's development here.
>You don't need to wait until it's done to judge its quality.
>You don't need to have 4 wheels or an engine on this car to know if it's a car or if it functions
>The way the romance is processing already doesn't make any sense to begin with
How doesn't it make any sense? I've already told you how it does.
>That's not the justification I'm talking about here. The justification I mean is the things that can get my attention and make me care about and enjoy the love triangle.
So basically, your tastes dictate quality? Why are you talking to us about it as if it's fact then, retardo?
>Wouldn't it be actually a good thing because the romance would be less tedious, repetitive and not drag on?
No, because that's not necessary.
>As I said it, I just want the romance to become better than it is now.
What you want is the author to write a fanfiction for you specifically. Thank god he doesn't want to do that.
Yeah anon, you're completely right! Subaru has totally a realistic love life with how he loves two girls for different reasons. That totally happens in real life all the time, right? We're not supposed to feel anything for the characters and debate on who should win even though they are purposely written in two different styles and are even "equal" for Subaru so we can choose a favorite, right? After all it isn't supposed to make any sense because in reality it also doesn't make any sense but the fact that it's fiction is irrelevant, right? People read fiction because they can't get enough of reality, especially since anime is the most realistic medium of all!