This is the magnum opus of Kyoto Animation
So beautiful and so perfect in every ways possible. Yamada did great job adapting the 7-volume long comics into 2 hours
Shouko is my wife!
You only do this to yourself, OP
But yeah, I just finished watching it there now, really goddamn good.
>tfw you will never hear Shoko try to say that she loves you
the fuck is up with people and the need for romance
It was a great adaptation of the source material and the animation, art direction and voice acting were all exemplary.
But the story is still pretty shit thanks to the source material.
I'm not the only one who laughed when
she was about to jump off the balcony and he still takes his shoes offright?
Maybe I'm just a heartless bastard but I didn't get any feels from this movie, still enjoyed it though.
>If you didn't, it was a "masterpiece"
No, I haven't read the manga but the screenplay felt extremely clumsy to me, with too many characters without a real purpose in the story and way too many things happening.
I think I'll read the manga now to see if it makes more sense.
Shoes are serious shit in glorious Nippon.
Shouko had a dream that involved Shouya saying he's going to go die now so she woke up in a panic.
Shouya woke up and the last thing he remembers is Shouko jumping off the balcony, so he sprints out to go see if she's okay.
>she pokes him to make sure she's not dreaming
Cute as fuck
Anybody else think the letter should of been left in?
She's nice but I'm a loyal man.
why is there a butterfly theme? does it have to do something with the suicidal motive
or the funeral?
About life or rebirth or pic related. There's a ton of it in Persona 3.
She think she's a burden to everybody in her elementary school class, She thinks she caused ishida to lose every one of his friends so she wanted to die and not fuck up other peoples life
It's been years since I've cried this hard to an anime
>tfw montage of all of Shouya's friends and family around him and the OST suddenly becomes quiet as it switches to Shouko smiling at him
What? I'm just giving my opinion on one aspect of the visual presentation. The use of colour has that same synthetic saccharine feeling that everything Shinkai does has, its a symbolic use of colour to evoke feeling that is so obvious and lacking in creativity that it just comes off as trite and unsophisticated.
>Yuzuru's bare feet
did Shoko kick her out without letting her put on her shoes wtf that is cruel
You know very well that it had nothing to do with who befriended her or not, it was the mom's fault all along. Why was the mom so shit despite the grandmother being great? No fucking idea.
never heard of this before. do the main characters end up fucking or not?
i no longer bother reading romance manga or watching romance anime where the main characters don't at least fuck once. it's tiresome and i hate this "will they won't they" shite.
sign language is fucking cool https://streamable.com/38v65
Man, all the people who said non-manga readers wouldn't understand are imbeciles. Just finished watching the movie and everything was clear as fucking day.
So what was up with the scene where Shouko goes to the doctor and the next day wears only one hearing aid? Was one of her ears getting better? Did it have something to do with the scar that Ishida mentioned later?
she could hear a very mute amount in her childhood, like when isihda rolls up a paper and yells at her, but as she gets older her hearing got way worse to where she was completely deaf in that ear
I would pay top yen to watch a slice of life show of Yuzuru doing Yuzuru things after the conclusion of the film now that she has an actual future to look forward to without worrying that her sister might off herself at any moment
Anyone else feel like the movie jumped around way too much in the middle? It felt very jumbled, they should've at least put a few seconds of scenery or something so the viewer can process what just happened. It kind of felt like one thing after another kept happening and the characters just kept going.
I actually felt the middle was too slow, but perhaps that's because it was more dialogue heavy and I didn't watch it with subtitles. You mean like, the bridge scene and onwards?
What was the point of this guy?
It was an instinctual movement to take his shoes off at the door and he was still processing what happened as he entered the room, removing his shoes. so it actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be when I saw people mentioning he stops to take of his shoes. He doesn't stop. He's going through the motions.
I didn't really realize until now that he only took his right shoe off and still had his left shoe on when he realized what was going on. A minor detail, but pretty nice.
So what was up with this shot?
I don't remember this from the manga.
Shouko feels like a burden so through her death can she be their angel by unburdening them. The blood is like a halo.
Or maybe it's just HOO BOY DO YA THINK WE RAMMED ENOUGH DRAMA DOWN YOUR THROAT? HAVE SOME MORE! Japanese shit. They're not always big in subtlety.
>wants to kill self since elementary
Whoa, that's some intense emotions.
It's even more impressive she's lasted until highschool? Just what kept her going? It's not like she had friends, we only saw her chilling in the club with old ladies and her sister. We didn't even see her class.
I know that, and I remember this here from the manga, but I don't remember her lying in her own blood.
Wait you mean to tell me there are people that want a physical relationship in their romance stories? What the fuck is wrong with them? Don't they understand kissing is only for the marriage bed?
More like the chair but yeah, if it wasn't for that chair then he would've been able to grab her before she fell. That fucking chair.
>Her mom bows down to his mom and begs for forgiveness
He had suffered enough. I'm glad he got a happy ending. Also, Shoko's smile.
I love how the story changes up the politeness level like when Ishida is apologizing and when his mom realizes that she has to accept what they're doing and tell them to get up. Just makes it feel all the more real really.
>girl who views herself as a burden and fuck-up tries to commit suicide to un-fuck and unburden everyone but she fucks it up and burdens her love interest with almost death and a lengthy hospital stay thanks to serious injuries and burdens everyone else with even more worrying about her and her love interest
I am a heartless bastard but I found this irony pretty hilarious
The manga was better, but the film was good. Very emotional, just annoyingly rushed at times.
Does anyone besides me hate Yamada's directing style, though? it always feels like she has to do things in the most contrived, annoying way – like the ambulance lights after Shoya falls in the river, or the excessive bloom, or the blur. It's just so superficial and stupid.
They changed it because no busted knees in the movie:
>sees her on the balcony
>starts taking off shoes to come in
>sees her climb up
>cue OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK moment of him stumbling like a madman to get to her
>when all the crosses fell down and he was finally able to keep his head up for once
It was very satisfying moment.
Because the manga was not released in one go. Without the benefit of hindsight the earlier issues certainly have the impression of a romance story. Go read early threads in the archives. Most everyone thought it was gonna be a romance story
Yeah like shithead anons like yourself
There is nothing stopping them from changing the genre tags. It is literally a story about Shoko and Ishida's relationship with each other and their friends and family
Because that's how people who are actually suicidal act. Unlike the bullshit drama queens who do it for attention, truly suicidal individuals put on nothing but smiles so that no one suspects it's coming and tries to stop them.
Would you tutor this young girl?
I really liked the way they deliberately recorded the sounds of the piano keys in this track and others. Most of the tracks are similar, they added what it seems to be some kind of background noise, either using the instruments or something like some pink noise. It actually added the atmosphere that was needed for most of the scenes, they could have fuck up most of the them without the right music. I must really say that they really put some effort in this, kudos for KyoAni and the Music Director.
>It's not the most important element
>I don't quite remember
>Yes it's a love story
Was she having a stroke or something?
It is on a romantic level, but during the course of the movie, it's one-sided.
Ishida isn't thinking romantically, proved by him thinking she was talking about the moon.
He's thinking about righting his wrongs, changing as a character and overcoming depression. It's obvious they both love each other, but this isn't what this movie is about
So can we talk about that kid going full trans again or nah? I still think that's what happened.
>Watch anime film
>The Who starts playing
What the hell Kyoani
My problem was that they brought up a romantic subplot when she tried to confess to him, and had him not understand what she was saying, only to go nowhere with it. I didn't even need a kiss, just an acceptance of each other's feelings and a tender embrace. I was really hoping that the anime would add something like this considering the manga skimmed over this aspect as well. It just leaves me unsatisfied in an otherwise beautiful and touching anime. Guess I'll stick to with the one good vanilla doujin that's been translated.
I thought Japs were better than this. This is kimchi drama. Not a single conversation about anything that isn't all about the main plot. It's like having your brain drilled for 2 hours. The directing also blew. Too many off angle shots, the bitch has problems with hearing not seeing. The pans to the sky were dumb as well. Ueno could have been a nice character since she had a lot to say but why would they even want someone like that as a friend? She's always causing shit but I guess the point of this story is anything that can be used for drama will be used for drama. Even grandma died for the sake of a sad montage.
yeah i can't tell if i'm just a jaded fuck or if this movie is just pretty not good
character development for the supporting cast was nowhere to be found and none of the drama or emotion felt earned
Nothing, like most of the cast he is just kind of there, everything about his character and relationship to ishida is stripped from the film and as a result the scene on the bridge where ishida tells everyone off doesn't work at all.
It feels so poorly contrived, they play it off as if he had built up a legit relationship with anyone there when in reality he has yet to have a single insightful conversation with any of them.
He rings like a blaring symbol of just how poorly this film was written, just another vapid character that doesn't belong in the film as it was conceived.
>Only does shit when his ass is on the line
Worst teacher, holy shit.
Wow this movie blows ass, it couldn't even convey this well. The "romance" was the single interesting plot point in the entire movie, the generic melodrama and poorly contrived conflicts where just boring, the scene where she confesses was the single most inherently interesting thing to happen in the entire movie, and this autist can't even give it a proper conclusion.
Is this a real place? Because I totally want to go see it.
i think this is a bit of a cop out, you can definitely tell a compelling emotional story in ~2 hours you just need to have the balls to cut things out from the source material
though i won't pretend to know how anime film adaptations work, maybe they weren't able to stray too far from the manga and that's how we ended up with this
Right, I was just wondering why he did it a second time. That part is what confused me a bit.
Are you willing to learn Moonrunes for your Waifu? もう習った
So which of these is best for subs + quality? Downloading pls right now.
Of course not anon. Like Shouya did in that scene, you share your burdens with your friends. You help each other live.
Dual layer BD? Not sure why one of the raws is 37GB and the other is 70GB though. Quality looks good at least.
There's also this so I might just wait a bit before I watch KnK.
Do you like tall girls?
Fug I posted in the wrong thread. Anyways, I can't deal with this shitty chromatic aberration + astigmatic lens effect on the movie. Does Kyoani do this with all their shit? They do realize real movies use the highest quality cine lenses with just about no imperfections right? They aren't mimicking jack shit from actual cinematography.
Maybe Ueno, but not Kawai.
So if there is no conflict she would have been fine? I know plenty of people who fuck right off the second anything gets a bit heated. I don't hold it too much against them even if its kind of shitty.
It's too bad the movie drops the side characters to wayside, because her character is great.
>tfw she models and works in fashion after she got shittalked for being a nerd and a brown-noser as a kid
Felt good to see that.
Any place to download this in really good quality with good subs. Already saw the shitty version they had on Kissanime, but I want more.
Also, Kawai a shit. Literally worst person of 2017, and shes a fucking anime character.
>people are still complaining about the subs
Both 35mm and Nii-sama are fine. They both have some flaws, but both are more than fine for watching the movie. The only one I'd say is bad is the HS subs. They just seem downright unprofessional.
Ishida Mom > Shouko > Yuzu > Sahara > Nishimiya Mom > Ueno >>>>> shit >>>>> Kawai
>kid acts like a dick
>kid gets disciplined
>go to apologize for kid acting like a dick
>she rips your earring off and causes rather severe damage to your ear lobe
I would have called the police.
It was amazing how Bitch Mom went to Best Mom on /a/ as the manga went on. Giving Ueno what she deserved sealed the deal.
Bloom and filters are your thing?
I can freely admit that she can do certain things well. Her character interaction is top-notch. But she focuses so much on the flashy visuals that are just incredibly grating.
Koe no Katachi is better than Tamako Love Story by a mile, at least.
I feel bad for you.
How the fuck do you call yourself the director of a movie and not remember what you were trying to convey? Jesus. And this is the woman KyoAni fags hype up to be the next great Japanese director?
>just an acceptance of each other's feelings and a tender embrace
But that's exactly what happened. But I think I get what you wanted.
>astigmatic lens effect
This I really don't get. I'm used to KyoAni's bloom and shitty chromatic aberration at this point but the blurry lens effect barely served any purpose to the narrative. I guess one possible explanation could be the blurry effect was to highlight Shouya's distorted perception but there were better ways to do that than add an ugly fucking blurring effect.
Maybe I missed something cause I'm a fucking idiot, but why was she bleeding? Did they fight while Ishida was away?
Don't. I at least know good direction when I see it.
You're an idiot easily dazzled by pointless flashy effects. The effects she makes use of are mass market-tier garbage. Bloom, chromatic aberration, astigmatic lens -- they're all fucking crutches she overuses to a ridiculous length, meant to make things look "cool" or "pretty" while providing no depth at all. It's bullshit and you'll be a smarter person and a better critic if you stop letting yourself get wowed by it.
I forgot how much of an awkward autist Shouya was.
>Shouya ripped Shouko's hearing aid out, causing her ear to bleed
>Ishida mom's ear is bleeding after "discussing" with Nishimiya mom
She either pulled it out because Nishimiya mom demanded it, or on her own accord as an apology, or Nishimiya mom did it. Not elaborated on, just that it got ripped out.
I didn't say that, but rather that the things Yamada relies on are crutches that are thematically meaningless. Directors should feel free to be as flashy as they want if it serves a purpose. Yamada's usage of her effects are all faux-deep; they're not there for any reason other than to throw it on there, which is what I mean when I say that all of that provides nothing in terms of depth.
Why are the sides of this shot blurry? To make it look cool, and pretty, and significant. Rather than rely on her direction of character interaction (which is often actually good, like I said), she added tons of filters on top to really amp up the flashiness. As I said, it's a meaningless addition that she way overuses.
Not bait. I am being 100% serious.
It's to make it like it's seem through a lens, a realism thing you wouldn't understand.
She's not praised in Japan for nothing, try to think that. Maybe you're the one that don't get such a "basic" director.
>It's to make it like it's seem through a lens, a realism thing you wouldn't understand.
Oh my fucking god. Okay, we're done here.
>It's to make it like it's seem through a lens, a realism thing you wouldn't understand.
Then why didn't she just make a live action movie if she was so desperate to mimic film "techniques"
And so does her visual direction. Ayyy.
>It's to make it like it's seem through a lens, a realism thing you wouldn't understand.
I feel like you decided these things were bad beforehand and are just working to downplay them based on that. "It's meaningless, it's faux-deep." Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression you give. There are any number of valid reasons to use any number of film techniques, whether you like them or not. I could just as stupidly say something like Kaguya-hime only looked the way it did because the core content wasn't very good, and needed to amp up the flashiness in order to turn heads. Sounds dumb right?
KyoAni has been mainstream as fuck in literally every one of their anime. They play it safe in almost all their works so it has the most universal appeal. The only exception being Nichijou.
He was getting better but still completely isolated. The point at the end of the movie was really important (the Xs falling off) and it only happened because everything got solved in the end. At best, all he'd get was another suicide attempt from Shoko or something like that. He wasn't the only one suffering from all that isolation.
>There are any number of valid reasons to use any number of film techniques, whether you like them or not.
Name one reason chromatic aberration is a valid technique to throughout the entirety of KnK when in real film it's rightfully regarded as an ABERRATION occurring in film lenses that should be avoided
What did the ending mean? Is isolation that bad? You need to talk with other people? See them for who they are and listen to them? It's better that way than burdening yourself? Share the burden to be able to get over it? Get help?
>Sounds dumb right?
Yes, it sounds dumb, but that's because Kaguya-hime was done in an ink-wash style – a traditional art form –
because it's a retelling of a Japanese folktale, you fucking dope. The visual stuff in KnK is like a college freshman trying to make their photos look cool by layering on a bunch of digital effects, or making their camera go out of focus here and there. It's idiotic.
Yeah, and that's a bad thing.
Isolation is one of the leading causes to depression, which was a problem for both. Remember: Shoko's imouto didn't even go to school, she was suffering by proxy via Shoko's crippling depression.
The rest you said is mostly right but that's too convoluted to put into words properly.
You are really retarded. The only time cinema use weird lenses is specifically for a certain effect, usually in very short shots. No proper movie uses shit lenses for the whole damn time. Their lens sets (rental) cost more than most people's houses.
That's exactly my point, you're willing to seek reason for that technique but not this one. Film is art and art is interpretation, to interpret something as "just there to look cool" is rather immature. Immature as in, you put no thought into it, not like, you're a child.
I specially missed the lack of background waifus.
They should have brought this milf back in the future in the background somewhere.
Yeah. While I'm disappointed that most of the side character subplots were glossed over or completely skipped (Nishimiya's mother, Yuzuru, and Sahara in particular), it was better to focus solely on Shouko and Shouya than trying to shoehorn everybody it.
Alright thanks, I'm considering that but since it's a bit of a hassle, I'm wondering if the TT release is any good, as I've been seeing several screenshots from it posted here for example,
And so on.
I'm mainly asking this because I'd rather keep a 720p copy than a 4gb 1080p one.
It really could be either. I can see both scenarios being fairly true to their characters: Ishida mom being apologetic enough to injure herself in repentance, and Nishimiya mom being vindictive enough to demand it or do it herself.
It has less mistakes than nii-sama. The only reason to use nii-sama over it is if the lack of honorifics trigger you.
I don't care if it's made by cunts or whatever, it's factually superior on the translation aspect.
t. knows moon
>I'm wondering if the TT release is any good
No. You see a lot because it was the first release, fast subs are never good.
If you don't want raws and subs then download the niisama or the 35mm torrent.
Niisama has some minor errors in translation you will be able to look over if you read the manga and 35mm doesn't use honorifics.
TT is one of the earliest releases, I believe Nii-sama is TT but improved.
tl;dr don't use TT use 35mm or Nii-sama instead.
Anyways, can someone tell me how to attach a .ass file to Beatrice-Raws? Sorry that I'm a noob.
I don't need to 'seek' a reason for that; it's explicit.
>Film is art and art is interpretation, to interpret something as "just there to look cool" is rather immature.
I'm not going to argue further than this, because we have diametrically opposed views here. I approach things from a critical perspective and I come from a fine arts background; I do not believe that just because something is interpretable means it is, in fact, worthwhile to interpret. I have seen enough of Yamada's work to know that she has a penchant for piling on visual effects and that they are not particularly meaningful, ever. That's all.
For what it's worth, I liked KnK for what it is. Just don't bother trying to explain away her directorial choices as 'art' and 'up to interpretation'; that's arguing in bad faith.
What about fonts? Looking at the .ass file I have, it uses PT Sans and Open Sans Semibold and I doubt I have that installed on my system. Do I have to install the fonts to my system to make it work?
How did you come to the conclusion that they are never meaningful if you never sought meaning? This is exactly what I'm saying, your interpretation is reverse engineered from an arbitrary conclusion.
I was under the impression that it was symbolism. Like, in that moment Ishida realized he basically just cause his mother trouble (because of the money), as if he ripped the aid out of her ear instead of Shouko's.
>implying Shouko will not bring upon a Katawa Shoujo-tier renaissance
they at least toned it down a bit from how much they abused it in hibike, but there was definitely a few points where I thought it was a bit to much, especially in that fiteworks scene.
There's a nice 6-5 suspension on the dominant in one of the piano tracks, kind of trails off after that but it made my eyes glassy. There was another time when some of the motion synced with something on screen but I forget, that was also nice.