Blame!

This was one of the very few shows/films where I thought a gun was actually cool, credit to them.

That line is probably the worst possible way to start a Blame thread

I'm not gonna even try this time; this thread cannot possibly pan out well

>>157482590
It's an awful adaptation anyway.

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>Onii-chan, wake up!

Shit fanbase from Netlfix, shit thread.

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>>157482488
>Killy & Sanakan fight
>Rock and Roll music

>>157482488
NONE! ORE WA CYBER LIFEFORM DES

>>157482488
Neither, I'm looking for the Net Terminal Gene

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what did she mean by this?

>>157482488
pre-safeguard android. Not really a cyborg even if there are organic components, since they were almost certainly grown in a vat around cybernetics.

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>>157482488
why does this even exist, blame was a black and white atmospheric exploration with almost no dialogue

>>157482488
The manga is so much better it's not even funny. This film was like the typical action flick.

Why are people getting confused by the manga? I thought the plot was pretty straightforward

>>157483790
I was trying to remember where I've seen this type of storytelling and I think it is Mad Max, totally unfunny

>>157483806
Wanna write your own synopsis, without bias? I'm curious to see how you perceived it. Doesn't have to be particularly long.

>>157482488
>Human

I though there weren't any humans anymore in Blame!? Just Androids and Silicon lifeforms.

This film was fucking awesome. They did a very good job. Naysayers may just fuck off.

>>157483788
>>157483790
They need to add characters to show emotions and dialogue for people who are not familiar with the manga.
They need that to draw in those people.

They won't understand the charm of reading thru a silent Killy walking thru mega structures, alone, fighting off cyborgs.

this movie was not blame!. They even managed to fuck up how the GBE works.

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While I still think the manga is undoubtedly better, the film was still pretty entertaining.
It was sure as hell a lot better than I initially expected at least

sillycone

>>157483882
cibo was a human
fishermen are humans
sanakan can pass as a human

>>157482590
> That line is probably the worst possible way to start a Blame thread
Why, though?

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Am I the only manga fan who just don't mind the film?
Yeah, it's not animated manga art, which is impossible to (affordably) do anyway, but it's also pretty cool in its own CGI way.

Plus, it will get more people to read the manga. If you think that's a bad thing, then you're just a filthy hipster.

>>157483972
I meant mostly human, not more machine than man human.

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I liked it. Sure, it wasn't really Blame! apart from the name and the setting, but I still found it to be entertaining.
If I wanted proper Blame! I'd just read it.

>>157483942
Why even make this I mean, the manga itself wasn't something with unlimited praise like Ghost in the shell, people are and have been divided on blame. GITS as a cash grab makes sense, even a live action death note makes SOME SENSE, but Blame? I dun gittit.

If you told me there was going to be a blame movie on netflix or a live action dragon ball with a black yamcha who successfully fucks bulma I would have sooner believed the second.

>>157483788
>why does this even exist, blame was a black and white atmospheric exploration with almost no dialogue
Yeah, watching a guy silently walk through epic megastructers for 2 hours in black and white would be really entertaining.

>>157483983
It's a point which I've argued over for several years, and the new threads that have come with the movie have reignited the stupid questions that come with the associated line of questioning. I actually checked - prior to yesterday, the last time I needed to post a specific argument was in July, last year. And now, with the film, there's just all these people who insist vehemently that their theories, ages-old in reality but new to them, must be true.

>>157483845

guy with amnesia looks for humans with the net terminal genes that can access the internet so they can stop the chaotic expansion. net terminal genes dont exist anymore because silicon life is spreading contagions/killing them. finds girl scientist who failed to artificially connect to the netsphere. meets sanakan who injects him with multiple needles to transform him into a safeguard, but that dont work instead it gives him a system update so he can now understand the display and use his superhuman powers to full effect.
sanakan grows hair and impersobates a loli. Electro fishers. toha heavy industries, gravity furnace that fucks with time and space because unstable and gravity. But all it matters is they get Seus genes because hes ancient human.
dhomochevsky. davineluvinvega a silicon life that wants to connect to the netsphere. steals seus gene capsule to connect, almost works, downloads safeguard 9 data into cibo who was hacking her. killy gets wounded and recovers for decades. sanakan got transferred to a more independant safeguard detachment and protects the new cibo safeguard/Seu/cibo hybrid. Killy finds talking usb stick. killy finds sanakan and cibo being engaged by the endboss exterminator. sanakan and cibo die but the orb in cibos womb is ok killy takes it. usb stick walks around in dream world, killy gets wounded by safeguard looking like a backup body of him, gets flooded to the edge of the city where contagion hasnt spread and the orb activates. flashforward killy protects orb child that wears a suit so it doesnt get infected with contagion. the end

how do you read cibo? Sibo? Kibo?
Why do I keep reading it as Chibo?

>>157484101
shibo

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>>157484101
Kibosh.

It's Cibo. Pronounced "She-bo".

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JUST

>>157484077
You are mistaken, I'm not saying it should be the manga, i'm not angry, just confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6I9j85RmGs

>>157484076
>Why even make this
Sometimes people create what they want to create.
And since there's already a major following of Blame then they could get profit or at least even. That's two birds in one stone.

>>157484150

Remember:

Nihei himself redesigned the characters to how they look in the movie

http://s-ss-s.com/s/2017/05/18/movie-blame-interview/

>>157484077
Yes, it would. This should have been directed by Mamoru Oshii.

>>157484084
Yeah, that's about right. Save for the crappy sentence-structuring, punctuation and grammar, really.

>>157484150
Heh, i forgot how he couldn't draw human faces too well back then. He could make a mean badass robot though.

>>157484194
Is Nihei moe now?

Did he redraw the whole manga?

>>157484199
god i've been saying this for so long. oshii does long, silent shots in anime so fucking well.

>>157484224
That's madness,lad

>>157484199
>directed by Mamoru Oshii
>girl with dog has a basset hound now

>>157484201
better than using the shitty 3d tracing technique gantz author used

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She's a big girl.

>>157484268
for you.

>>157484249
Well memed faggot. Pro-tip: kill yourself.
(How's that for memeing?)

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I felt pretty bad during the scene where Zuru had to come to terms with the fact that her best friend has died. Right here, you can see the moment where her heart is crushed. Considering this is a CGI animation, Polygon did a very good job with the characters. They are very expressive.

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>>157484268

>>157484299
I was making a light-hearted joke, no need to freak out.

>>157484268
>killy is 182 cm

And some niggers here have the gall calling him a manlet

Oldfag here. I read the manga as a teenager more than 10 years ago and it had a pretty big impact on me.

It's pretty easy to hate this for not being like the mango and at some points cheesy, but it isn't not entertaining and is nice to see the characters being animated.

It's nothing like GITS level of butchery but don't expect the same thing. Just get comfy enjoy some 3DCG sci-fi animu.

GBE: I didn't like the red colour or post-discharge ashes. The white line that just deleted shit the fuck out of existence in the manga was the best gun experience I've ever had.

>>157484081
It's a fucking joke Juan settle your sweaty asscrack down

>>157484199
You are just lying to yourself. It would be entertaining for half an hour tops. But after the hour mark you would be thinking what would you rather be doing than watching this. And there was a ton of scenery porn in this film as it is, anyway.

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>>157482488
reminder that they royally fucked what the GBE actually does.

>>157484326
Americans have a height complex for some reason.

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>>157482488
I'm neither dickfence.
I'm secreta.

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>you'll never get to go around BLAMing in a megastructure the size of jupiters planetary orbit

>>157484390
It's not Americans; it's /fit/.

>>157484361
Stop assuming everyone else is as pleb as you.

>>157484390
I can't say why, Caucasians are tall by genetic nature. Then again, so are Africans

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>>157484408
*blocks your path*

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>>157484408
Oh no, I thought I could escape my cycles of guilt
deja vu

>>157484419
No, it's definitely 'murricans.

>>157484419

Isnt /fit/ mostly american? I cant imagine fratboy culture existing in the rest of the world

>>157484390
American have an everything complex.

>>157484268
How old are those two, exactly? I need to know for scientific purposes.

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Post some cute sanakans

>>157484003
I thought it was cool. It wasn't the same kind of bleak silence that the Manga throws out, but it gets the key points of hopeless super-high technology dystopia down right.

>>157484199
>This should have been directed by Mamoru Oshii.
But he'd inject a bunch of unrelated pretentious bullshit, same as he did for GITS and Patlabor. Do you really want that?

>>157484488
Very hard to tell age in this series.

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>>157484446
>>157484451
There's no escape

>>157484371
I liked the noise.

>>157484555
heh

>>157484422
Don't forget to do your homework for your philosophy class at uni tomorrow, dude. And then watch Tarkovskij or some other shit.

>>157484547
I still have no idea what Brouzouf actually is.

>>157484591
Brouzouf is love, brouzouf is life.

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>>157484591
it is not for us to know

>>157484591
Obscure french slang for money

>>157484610
Meta-streumonic is like an onion, it has layers

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>>157484435
(not true by the way)

>>157484524
Oshii is not pretentious. And he barely added anything in GITS. He mostly took away, and for the better. Stop backprojecting Innocence onto everything he did.

>>157484343

Also, Nihei deserves more recognition for his exploration of the sci-fi genre and we should be happy for him. He's up there with William Gibson and James Cameron.

>>157484488
It's implied in the manga that Killy is a couple hundred thousand years old and Cibo tens of thousands years old.

>>157484646
>Canadian's are taller

I call bullshit

>>157484584
I'm a mathematics graduate and I don't read much philosophy. Sucks to be you pal.

>>157484672
and George Lucas

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Tae is dead and was replaced by a Safeguard representative: a conspiracy theory.

>>157484713
I unironically agree. He's a bad storyteller but he as a good imagination for science fantasy stuff.

cibo is also 180cm she just have 30cm heels

>>157484727
Yeah I felt a little insulted when they felt forced to play back the things that happened just to make sure even the stupidest person in the audience wouldn't lose the plot. I think that short sequence was the worst part of the movie. I think a different approach would have been better.

>>157484727
wat? It's right, but that is what they showed.

>>157484695
You can't argue with data. The US has several times Canada's population. Don't assume everyone is the same as the teutonic descended folks in the Midwest.

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It was ok-ish but fucked up the atmosphere and made it look like Blame! is about people surviving in the Megastructure rather then KIlly's journey

>>157484751
I thought those were her feet?

>>157484685
killy's old enough that his brain is actually over capacity, and it probably wasn't normal to start with, so yeah.

>>157484712
>I don't read much philosophy
you should, some are really interesting, especially since you are a math graduade

>>157484501
The first time she appeared I thought "what a cute girl" then I remembered that she's a safeguard.
I'll probably die quickly in Blame universe if all safeguards look like her.

>>157484752
>I think that short sequence was the worst part of the movie.
I'll cop to that. I watched it with a friend who's also a big fan of the manga, and we both yelled "WHY" when they pulled that shit. You can't just reuse footage in a movie - especially in a movie like this. You just can't.

The GANZ:0 movie looks way better.
Polygon needs to step up their game.
It was ok for a TV series, but this movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37ARGRJC-k

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>>157484774
well, some mix of foot and heel

>>157484685
I was asking about the two girls.

>>157484090
Those pointy legs totally do it for me

>>157484879
totally different art styles (and budgets)

>>157484734
If Nihei is Lucas, then what (across all of his series) is his Jar Jar?

Space benis?

>>157484371
Reminder that Nihei was heavily involved in this adaptation and thus was okay with it.

Post Cibo

>>157483788
>with almost no dialogue

how to spot a retard who didn't actually read Blame!

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>>157484909
I do wonder if we'll ever get super-HQ rescans of Snikt. Given the legal entanglement with Marvel, probably not, but I can hope, right?

Hope more than anything else.

>>157484994
Never read his run with Wolverine, what was the story?

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>>157484979
Shopbo.

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>>157484979

>>157484752
>>157484875
Worst is they already had the old man explain that shit. Either foreshadow it (like a shot of Tae falling to the ground with Sana-Kan's legs towering over her) or have a character explain it, but don't do a fucking flashback for that shit, especially when it's already explained.

>>157484914
>(and budgets)
How would you know and how does that matter? Polygon has done theatrical-level CGI before, and this wasn't that. If they don't want to be called out for bad craftsmanship they shouldn't do theatrical projects where they're only funded TV-money by a jew publisher that couldn't care less about its IPs.

>>157485012
Read it yourself; it's 5 chapters, and I mega'd it a long-ass time ago. It's pretty neat.
https://mega.nz/#F!n5RizB5D!wrBgi1ZQQ9GyvrtsBhhY8A

>>157485035
>Monster energy drink

Thats not fashionable

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>>157484979

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I bought the remastered mange yesterday.

I want to make big prints of some of the pages for my house but the scans online aren't good enough, so I'm gonna scan this shit myself and then treat it with http://waifu2x.udp.jp/ .

I don't think I want to watch the movie. I'm just gonna get sad, and it's such a lovely sunday.

What page/spread form BLAME would you print for your wall? This is one of the ones I want.

>>157484894
They're old enough to get the dick, if that's what you're asking. Have boobs = can fuck.

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>>157485077
Rock Forever 21, but still look thirtay... thousand.

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>>157485103
>What page/spread from BLAME would you print for your wall?
This, or

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>>157485162
This.

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Reminder that Biomega was the superior manga.

Seriously, just read them both and find out yourself.

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>>157485162

Good choice.

>>157485181

Eeee..... okay...

>>157485189

Well, his style was much more mature when he was doing Biomega. I do love it quite a lot.

>>157484077
Then how about just don't rape the source material with your Hollywood adaptation?

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>>157485189
Not really, but it was pretty good on it's own

>>157485060
Studios don't have that much choice anon. You can't stay too long without a project and they were probably too happy to get a budget for his one. Heck it was probably their only shot at being able to make a Blame! adaptation. Tons of projects get scrapped every year because no one is interested in investing in them, so when you get a budget for a project you want to do you can't be smug and say "Nah it's shit, I'll find someone else".
Budget determines production time along with publisher deadline, wich means that even the best studios can't do much with a small budget.

Heck, that's why QUALITY is a thing in the first place. It's also due to staff competence and production management, but small budget leading to rushed productions has a huge impact on those things.

>>157485113
>>157485035
She is so fashionable!

>>157484326
In the Netherlands he would be a manlet among manlets.

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>>157485214

Uuuuu, I would love to print that one out

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Part of me is surprised, and another part isn't.

>>157485214
That spread alone is almost the sole basis for people who didn't read Blame picking up Biomega.

>>157485060
>>157485231
Sidonia/BLAME! are actually Polygons idea/project. They approached Kondansha to acquire the manga rights. The CGI is the way it is intentionally, not due to a lack of money but intentional stylistic choices.

Polygon Pictures does a lot of work for Western companies.
They are also pretty big on their own.

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>>157485206
>Well, his style was much more mature when he was doing Biomega

Biomega was his peak in terms of artstyle

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>>157485293
That was my favourite Killy. Spec-ops Killy just has the perfect goddamn looks and feel, so as to be the avatar of cool. And Killy vs Schiff was/is the most hardboiled fight in the manga.

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>>157485273

Nihei could probably make money by just making proper large size paintings of industrial stuff.

And if I was a rich as fuck dude I'd buy every single one.

On another note. I really wonder what killy thinks most of the time he just walks through the megastructure?

Does he just play back 20-30th century mass media in his head?

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>>157485293
>>157485341

Smooth Operator.

>>157485296
Im not talking about the stylistic choice regarding the CGI (wich Im fine with), Im talking about some of the more rushed aspects of the production (quite evident during the Sana-Kan/Killy fight, just look at those ugly burning rocks).
Even if they acquired the rights, they still needs funding. And if it's a "Netflix Original" then it's safe to assume most of it came from Netflix in the first place. I don't think Polygon funded it all from it's own pockets.

>>157484646
There's an Oshii who can have fun and an Oshii who desperately wants to be taken seriously.
The first GitS is probably the one film he's done where these things meet a happy end product, but it's not the norm.
Compare the Red Spectacles manga with Jin Roh or Stray Dog.
The manga was so much more fun. A proper adaption of it would have been so fucking amazing, but he had to take all of the worthwhile stuff out. The same thing happened in Patlabor 2.

Oshii these days is the one who can't have any fun. Be happy with what you have.

>>157485386
>quite evident during the Sana-Kan/Killy fight, just look at those ugly burning rocks
Did you see that one bit where a laser hits a building, and flame effects and smoke burst out of the building and the screen shakes, but you can clearly see no change to the actual structure in the background? While I was maybe conscious of the crappy effects on some lower level prior to it happening, after that, I just couldn't take most of the effects seriously.

>>157484076

>GITS as a cash grab makes sense, even a live action death note makes SOME SENSE, but Blame? I dun gittit.

Blame! has a bit of a cult-following all over the globe. Its not strictly just for japanese audience, since plenty of europeans loved Blame! manga as well. So its ideal for distributors like Netflix because its small money guaranteed from every major market.

Anime movies in general don't always have to be made with strictly japanese audience in mind. Little Witch Academy is another example of this.

>>157485409
Have you seen Sky Crawlers? Oshii could totally do Blame, if he could do that. Wouldn't be perfect - it could never be - but it would be better than what we've just now got.

>>157485409
I stand by what I said. Patlabor 2 is my favourite entry in the franchise. That oppressive, no-nonsense, foreboding atmosphere is perfect for a Blame! adaptation.

>>157485467
>Have you seen Sky Crawlers?
Have you read it?
Played the game?
Compare them a bit for me.
Which one is the most fun?

>>157485467
>Have you seen Sky Crawlers? Oshii could totally do Blame, if he could do that. Wouldn't be perfect - it could never be - but it would be better than what we've just now got.

We would have 3h of talking heads with unnatural nonsense about some silly philosophical questions.

>>157485386
The only companies on the production committee besides Polygon are King Records, Kodansha and perhaps Klockworks. Netflix have just bought worldwide streaming rights. Although it has been said in cases where Netflix does this it is often paying enough such that the production is going to be profitable even if it does terribly in Japan.

My point was it is their own IP anyway not "some jew publisher giving TV budget for a movie". I don't really think any of it looks particularly rushed or terrible to be honest. It was certainly Polygon's best attempt at date to imitate 2D anime style with their animation. Easily above any of the TV series anime imitation animation they have done on the visual aspect.

>>157485467
Sky Crawlers is unironically my favourite Oshii movie

>>157485491
>Patlabor 2 is my favourite entry in the franchise.
Nothing wrong with a dry and detached world, but everything is wrong with Patlabor 2.
Seriously, it's an absurd setting with an absurd premise and Oshii tries to play it like it's a fucking Russian War film.

>>157485506
So you haven't seen Sky Crawlers. Good to know.

Good movie.

Can't wait for more. Also will try out the manga now. I'm right that Cibo and Sankan are recurring characters in Blame?

>>157485484
I imagined the GBE projectile as white or black. Also doesn't burn but distorts anything the thin beam touches.

But it's fine i guess

>>157485506
>We would have 3h of talking heads with unnatural nonsense about some silly philosophical questions.
Exactly, and that's what Oshii made out of a fun adventure story, albeit one with a few darker tones.

>>157485518
Netflix is the main funder of the film you doofus.

>>157485231
>when you get a budget for a project you want to do you can't be smug and say "Nah it's shit, I'll find someone else".
If they had integrity, they would. People do it all the time.

Again: telling yourself that they deserve some sort of slack or recognition for making a hackneyed, under-cooked adaptation is intellectually dishonest rationalization. The move was shit, and if they don't want to be known for producing stinkers, they simply shouldn't churn 'em out. It really is that simple, and no different from any other industry in that regard.

>>157485562
What gives you that impression? They don't own it in any respect.

>>157485550
You probably won't like the manga if you thought this popcorn flick was a good movie.

>>157485526
Mine, too. That movie hit me hard, and I'm still not 100% sure on why.

>>157485564

>If they had integrity, they would. People do it all the time.

Here you can see a person who has never owned a company.

Most production companies out there do multiple commissioned works first before being able to do a dream project of their own. This is true for pretty much all forms of media from animation, film, comics and games.

>>157485582
They don't need to own it to shell out the cash for it.

Getting Blame on a large mainstream platform is cruicial for stuff like that. The kind of sci-fi movies aren't made so it can be quite successful in all kinds of markets. Sidonia was extremly successful on Netflix for a reason.

>>157485550
Cibo yes, she's basically Killy's partner.

Sanakan, eh.

>>157485627
I got the impression that she somehow survived it or at least her memories are still existing you know what I mean.

>>157485609
>Most production companies out there do multiple commissioned works first before being able to do a dream project of their own. This is true for pretty much all forms of media from animation, film, comics and games.
Quite, and I'm not contesting that. And all the same, it changes nothing.

>>157485616
So I ask again, what gives you that impression? The only basis for that kind of claim are the rumours that I refer to in my original post explaining the situation. People assume Netflix must be paying a lot to get worldwide exclusive streaming rights to things.

>>157485627
she is a recurring character though

>>157485496
I know nothing of it beyond the film, which was incredibly powerful. But, that's only my perspective. /a/ has an extremely rigid hate/love line with Sky Crawlers - unlike that of most other anime/manga products in general. You're just as likely to hear someone say that it's the worst thing that they've ever seen. So, if you're curious about it, you ought to simply watch it yourself.

>>157485550

Yes, but there can be long periods where both Cibo and Sanakan can be absent.

One book because of time distortion in the chamber they enter, Killy gets separated from Cibo, but find a different world-line version of her as a guide, then a little bit later finds the original Cibo as well. But thanks to the time-distortion, Cibo had waited for Killy for 25 years.

>>157485658
Yeah, but she shows up like three times across 10 volumes. There are characters who weren't even in this film who are more prominent in the manga than Sanakan is.

>>157484268
>>157484433
when will they learn

>>157485677

...And the little loli-body Cibo stole from Sanakan had also matured during that time

>>157485653
Impression? What impression idiot, it's a fact. Netflix wanted more Nihei stuff because Sidonia did very well for them (and Polygon wanted to do more Nihei stuff because they like his work). The other companies on the production committee are tag-alongs.

>>157485677
>Gee, Killy, how come your mom lets you have 2 Cibos?
Was so sad when Cibo² died

>>157485664
I've seen it.
It was dull and exactly the reason I hate modern Oshii.
He could have all of that political commentary and all of those thematic elements without the characters coming across as robots.
In fact, the lack of expression in the characters actively damages the film, because it makes them incredibly difficult to mourn, when the entire premise is built around making you feel bad for the people forced into these roles.
The book and the game realized this. They didn't have this problem.

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>>157485518
I do agree that the animation looked better than Sidonia, but some shit, especially effects, looked really bad clearly showing that they decided to cut corners.
Even if it's your own IP you still need a budget to do things (IPs don't come with bank accounts), and it has to come from somewhere. If there is a production comitee, hen it means that the budget indeed came from different parties (most likely the ones you listed). So saying that "some jew publishers gave TV budget for a movie" isn't actually wrong (though it is a quick assumption to make).

>>157485564
First, the adaptation looked good overall. It's just that you don't like it.
Second, you're fucking wrong.

It's not rare for studios to do shitty projects just so they have something to work on. And budgets aren't easy to get son. If you manage to get one you can't be sure you'll ever get another one that's as good. Putting food on the table is more important than integrity.

You just sounds like you know nothing about the animation industry.

Why are Cibo's robot legs so beautiful!

>>157485564
Making Sidonia is literally what gave Polygon a good reputation as a CG studio in the anime space. Both Sidonia and BLAME! are very much their projects not things they are doing for the money. Considering that BLAME! if anything is visually an upgrade on Sidonia it will probably continue to enhance their reputation in the industry.

>>157485724
Netflix has nothing to do with Sidonia being made or it happening. The project was put together by Polygon Pictures.

>>157485735
Did you just read the first and last line of my post?

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When i was reading BLAME! for the first time for some reason I was listening to this one album by Interpol.

To this day the one song that always reminds me of BLAME! is Interpol's "A Time To Be So Small".

It fits pretty darn well.

https://youtu.be/-tb528sApwk

This isn't the right version from the Antics album but I can't find that one on jewtube.

>>157485736
>Game about touring the mega structures of the manga

YES

>>157485758
Polygon Pictures is only doing the animation. They did not fund it.
>Making Sidonia is literally what gave Polygon a good reputation as a CG studio in the anime space.
You have ZERO, NADA, ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about. Just shut the fuck up already.

>>157484769

Some Blame! stories are about people surviving in the Megastructure. And Killy essentially being the Mad Max/Mysterious Hero who joins in, saves the day, then leaves to continue his own quest.

>>157485735
>the characters coming across as robots.
That was intentional and one of the best parts (they're artificial humans). It's also why that other anon drew comparisons to Blame. Why are you even here anyway?

Sidonia is one of the few mecha anime in the past years that didn't bomb at retail.

>>157485793
I'm just stating facts. The President of the company himself has said this and directly attributed the fact they have anime work up until 2018 with the success of Sidonia. Polygon Pictures isn't only doing the animation they have acquired the animation rights to the manga, it's their IP.

>>157485812
Also, never speaks

>>157485760
The topic was whether or not Oshii would inject his usual bullshit where it doesn't belong.
He would. He has been for at least the past decade.
He does nothing else these days.

>>157485843
Anime would need to rewrite a lot of things like inlcuding more human side-kicks, so it would somehow work in the audio-visual format like a movie or tv series.

The first movie did a good job in that regard

>>157485820
Did you actually read the rest of that post?
Robotic characters have their place.
Oshii clearly doesn't understand that they don't belong everywhere.
Jin Roh had the exact same problem.
I was supposed to feel bad about Fuse trapping this woman in a political power play, but I was sick and tired of that fucking dynamic.
I was desperate for him to shoot her.
Maybe I'd get more neat politics and action sequences if I didn't have to hear this woman moan.

>>157485828
>it's their IP.
Doesn't mean they're the main funder of the project. You seem to have no idea how anime production and financing works.
>The President of the company himself has said this and directly attributed the fact they have anime work up until 2018 with the success of Sidonia.
Polygon Pictures was doing CGI animation before that. What he meant was that CGI didn't prove financially viable before Sidonia (CGI anime wasn't popular.) You're confused as fuck.

>>157485765
Someone posted this yesterday, I think - it's a melodic death metal piece with lyrics directly inspired by Blame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b83xt2jisc
http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/wordsoffarewell/theblackwildyonder.html#10

Blame has inspired a huge amount of interesting music, actually. Aairria's stuff being the most obvious example, of course.
https://aairria.bandcamp.com/album/metastructure-netsphere

There's also an album by Gerar DuGalle called "Megastructure", which is much more musical and 'thematic' than Aairria's work. His thing appears to be gone from bandcamp, though, so I don't know how to link it.

>>157485844
>Oshii would inject his usual bullshit
What bullshit, faggot?

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>>157482488
I don't get it.

Killy was obviously not human, same with Cibo.

What did none of the villagers say anything about that? They weren't even phazed by a talking corpse-like thing Cibo.

>>157485911
Maybe go back and read, dipshit.
Oshii has developed conventions that he has refused to abandon since the Ghost in the Shell adaptions, regardless of whether or not they work in context.

>>157485916
Cyborgs are still humans.

>>157485891
They're not everywhere. In Jin-Roh only the MC acted "robotic" and it made sense for him to act like that. He was a desensitised soldier. You seem to be a total pleb. Stop posting already.

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>>157485341
I prefer early techno-nomad Killy.
>that mug on chest

maximum comf

>>157485916
When cybernetics are as common as prosthesis, what you consider human stops being so clear. As long as they were born as flesh and blood humans it makes sense to consider them as such.

>>157485916
The definition of human has also been lost in the Megastructure

>>157484343
I genuinely enjoyed this movie. This is probably one of the rarer cases where I'm actually fine with the work not being a direct adaptations and that the liberties taken with the movie was pretty acceptable. I've mentioned before in the Sidonia anime threads that I'd actually be fine with Blame being full CG and well now that it's actually out, this is also one of the rarer cases where it being full CG actually enhances the setting.

As an aside, I find it interesting to find that this season consists of both the best and worst example of full CG anime.

>>157485938
You're arguing about Oshii's value as a director when the initial point in question was whether or not he would make a good Blame adaptation. Going by the logic which you, yourself, have provided, he would.

>>157485944
Yeah but how do they know about cyborgs?

>>157485955
It made sense because Oshii went out of his way to write it in that manner so he wouldn't have to try with these characters. Again, the intention of the film in framing these characters in a sympathetic light falls completely on its fucking face when you don't give two shits about them and want the shooting to start back up.

>>157485955
The 120min talk about Little Red Riding Hood which couldn't have been less natural was so Oshii in his worst form.

>>157485893
The only person thats confused here seems to be you. I never stated Polygon Pictures wasn't doing CGI before that. For the most part their work was rarely in anime though. I said that making Sidonia gave Polygon a good reputation in the anime space.

>Doesn't mean they're the main funder of the project. You seem to have no idea how anime production and financing works.
I have never said they are the main funder. I am just pointing out that Netflix isn't forcing them to make anime adaptations of Nihei works. It's very much their project that they have put together and pitched to Netflix as a source of funding. They approached all the parties to get it made. It wasn't Kodansha or Netflix that approached Polygon to do the work on Sidonia.

>>157485938
>regardless of whether or not they work in context.
This is pointedly untrue.

>>157485990
They probably got loads of cyborg visitors in the past.

>>157485916
At this point the terms human and humanity are social constructs.

>>157485944
This
In Blame it's about what your brain started out as
As long as you aren't a silicon creature or a safeguard you're human

>>157485989
The point I'm making is that he wouldn't because he doesn't give two shits any more.
He'd give it his standard oshii treatment.
He wouldn't explore the setting.
He wouldn't provide anything unique to the characters.
He'd give you the same navel gazing slog he's given you the past decade and a half.

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>>157485905

Thanks man! I'll check it out.

>>157485999
>the intention of the film in framing these characters in a sympathetic light
What?
>>157486004
>The 120min talk about Little Red Riding Hood
The what, faggot? It was one single scene and it was a perfect analogy for that girl's situation. You're triggered because the film went over your head, admit it.

>pretentious
The ultimate defence of an imbecile.

>>157485990
How the hell would you not know about cyborgs, in the Blame world? Unless you're like one of the abandoned clone tribes, there's no real excuse.

>>157486008
Nice refutation, bro.
I totally cried when Fuse shot the lady.
Big bad wolf allegory was done so masterfully.
My dick shrivelled up in shame for ever enjoying anythin.

>>157485916
Anything is possible if humanity have the technology to build megastructure. I'm sure transferring their consciousness to a better body over and over again is easy as fuck in that era.

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>>157482488

>>157486042
>What?
The entire climax and twist of the movie was that the dry emotionless romance was a political plot.
If the intention wasn't to make you feel bad for the people involved then there was no intention at all.

>>157485916
Reminder that Nihei's works aren't cyberpunk. They're more like post-cyberpunk. Where cyberpunk like GitS are still at the level of pondering on what being human means when the boundary between man and machine is blurred, Nihei's works are beyond that and that what constitutes as human has taken on an entirely different understanding.

>>157486073
Sanakan did it only three times, so there's a limit, probably

>>157484555
heh

>>157486005
>I said that making Sidonia gave Polygon a good reputation in the anime space.
They already had a good reputation as a CGI animation studio. The problem was that CGI anime did not sell, not which studio made them. Sidonia is one of the first successful CGI anime. Again, you're confused as fuck and have no idea what you're talking about.

>I have never said they are the main funder.
Oh wow, really? Why the fuck are you even arguing then?
>Netflix isn't forcing them to make anime adaptations of Nihei works.
Who the fuck said Netflix is forcing them to do it you tard? Again, why are you even arguing?

FFS /a/non, you're so stupid sometimes.

>>157486099
Cibo does it at least 6 times. Where's that Cibo incarnation chart when you need it?

>>157485627

but Sanakan knocked up Cibo.

>Sanakan and Doll have the same VA

give me that posed look, Sanakan!

>>157486057
The fuck are you even talking about? Why the fuck would you crying when Fuse shot the girl matter? I didn't cry either. The scene was great regardless.

>>157486133
Not even him, but you really are the one who seem to be making garbled arguments here and there.

> Sidonia is one of the first successful CGI anime.
>I said that making Sidonia gave Polygon a good reputation in the anime space.
What you and him said actually do not contradict at all. At this point, it seems more like you're arguing for the sake of it.

>>157486173
Seu did it first.

>>157486091
Jin-Roh is a political thriller, not a soap opera you tard.

Pleb
P
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^ (you)

>>157486133
>They already had a good reputation as a CGI animation studio
You really are failing to read aren't you. I'm not debating that and never claimed they didn't.
>a good reputation in the anime space
>anime space
Sidonia gave them a good reputation as a studio that can make 3DCG anime successfully. The only person that is confused here is you because you seem to be unable to read properly. I don't actually think we are disagreeing on all that much rather that you are just misunderstanding everything due to poor comprehension.

>why the fuck are you even arguing then?
Polygon most definitely are not "only doing the animation" they are the whole reason the project exists and own the rights. Meanwhile you are trying to make out that this is a tradional production committee whereby the animation studio has just been hired by the rights holder when that isn't the case at all.

I liked the bits with Killy,Sanakan and Cibo.
>>157485484
Was that a level 2 shot?

>>157486133
You might want to actually re-read the trail of conversations instead of throwing a tantrum.

>>157486195
It renders the entire fucking movie pointless. Because I fucking despised those two robots.
A tragedy isn't a tragedy if you don't care about the people involved.
And don't get me wrong, these were all still VERY competent movies. Thematically and technically.
But they're clearly routine and very disrespectful to their source material.
And that's a clear reason why he wouldn't make a good Blame! adaption.

>>157486189

>>157485484

>>157486231
If it were truly a political thriller (like his original work on the red spectacles genuinely was- and excellently so, seriously go read it), then they wouldn't have devoted so much time to this stupid fucking character dynamic.

>>157486133
>Sidonia is one of the first successful CGI anime
Thereby giving them a a good reputation in the anime space
If you can't wrap your head around such a simple line of thinking, then mate, I think you're the one who is stupid here.

>>157486231
Also.
It wouldn't have been the climax and conclusion of the movie.

>>157486240
>they are the whole reason the project exists
Wrong, this is something they did in partnership with Netflix, which ponied up the cash for it. Like I said above: the goals of both companies happened to coincide.

Could Seu win against Killy?

>>157485765
I once did a re-read while listening to a PSB Love etc remix. The association has only gotten stronger over time.

Were going to ruin blame for you, you elitish english only plebs. Post BLAM! Waifus!

>>157486318
Maybe if Killy didn't have his blam and hax regen powers
Get chopped in half and just come back 20 years later and try again

>>157486256
As long as you respect the fact that people don't have to agree with your opinions, I think we're straight.

>>157486318
He already did.
>Mix his dna with Cibo, then Sanakan adds her dna
>Killy is the one to raise the kid

For Netflix are titles like Sidonia and Blame perfect.

They can tap the anime target group but because of the sci-fi story and CG there is also a way wider appeal.

Both are great titles to complete and diverse the own catalog.

>>157486256
Disrespectful? Oh fuck off. Jin-Roh is Oshii's own story. You're just spouting gibberish at this point.
>Because I fucking despised those two robots.
I didn't.
>It renders the entire fucking movie pointless.
Not to me. But then again, I don't have to 'feel for' the characters and 'cry when they die' to enjoy a good story.

I still can't believe they skipped they start

>>157486356
Didn't Killy die before the kid was born?

>>157486287
>they wouldn't have devoted so much time to this stupid fucking character dynamic.
Why not? Because you got duped by the red herring and believed this was some romance story like an idiot? Come on. It was obvious from the start that the """couple""" is not what it seems.

>>157486364
>Jin-Roh is Oshii's own story.
It's a bastardization of his own story.
Like I've been saying.
The guy used to know how to have fun.
How to write endearing characters.
He forgot after he made it big.
>Not to me. But then again, I don't have to 'feel for' the characters and 'cry when they die' to enjoy a good story.
And again, if the sentiment of the audience for the characters was not important, there would not have been so much time devoted to them. They would not have played such a central role.

At this point I would think they will only do more stand-alone movies. The setting is perfect that kind of story telling like some Western or Samurai classics.

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>>157486346
No, Killy's good at CQC. He even killed Schiff without a gun.

>>157486310
Stop samefagging.

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>>157486400
Killy never died/dies. That's the whole point of his character. He'll never go down forever, no matter what you do.

>>157486408
Was I implying that I didn't get it?
It was a pretty transparent dynamic, especially if you're coming out of GitS.
I was saying it was a waste of time.
If your story can't be told without devoting so much time to two characters with absolutely nothing going for them, then you'd probably be better off telling a different story. A rewrite would be in order, or at least an attempt to make these people likeable.
But that's too much work for Oshii these days.

>>157486454
Wasn't that one just another Killy model?

>>157486317
It's also something they did in partnership with Kodansha and King Records. Again Netflix may have contributed to funding the project in order to secure worldwide streaming rights but thats as far as their role in it goes. The active role in putting the project together and making it happen is in Polygon's court. Other companies have contributed to funding it as well including Polygon. You don't acquire rights to an IP for free.

>>157486413
>bla bla bla the characters are not relatable for me wah wah wah
Piss off. It's clear you're just flailing your arms over nothing at this point. (Funny how everything you said is a positive for an Oshii adaptation of Blame!)

>>157486454
Could you imagine holding someones fucking torso with one hand

>>157486480
No, pretty sure he's unique. Otherwise his lookalike wouldn't have lost near the exit

>>157486486
Whatever, dude.
If you're going to wilfully misinterpret my argument, go for it.
If you genuinely want to know what I've actually been saying you can go ahead and scroll up.
I couldn't have been more clear.
Later.

>>157486494
It helps when they have a steel spine and you a bionic arm

>>157486413
> if the sentiment of the audience for the characters was not important, there would not have been so much time devoted to them.
Why not? Because you thought the story was a romance? That's why Little Red Riding Hood triggers you so much. It was a hunter and prey story, but you wanted to watch a love story.

From now on I'm just going to reply to you with "pleb" because that's what you are and you deserve no more and no less than that.

Was there a scene in the manga where Killy fired his beam and it was blocked like in the movie?

>>157486541
>It was a hunter and prey story,
Does a wolf usually cry before he kills his prey.
No. The movie was about a brutal political system which forces two basically good people into doing evil things. Both of them thought themselves the predator. Both of them felt bad about it. I'm sorry you can't into subtext.
A failed message because I was rooting for that violent system to kill both of these whiny melodramatic fags.

>>157486482
>It's also something they did in partnership with Kodansha and King Records. A
Kodansha and King Records are secondary partners.

>>157486582
I think there were some massive silicon lifeforms that could block low level shots.

>>157486582
No in the manga it was re-directed completely, presumably via some sort of gravity based shield. I'm sure someone here has the panel.

>>157486468
Pleb.

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>>157486582
It was nullified, once.

>>157486644
You're the one who didn't understand a completely unsubtle film that you tout as god's gift to this earth, worm.

>>157486528
Pleb.

>>157486606
Pleb. (Also, nice backpedalling you got going there.)

RIP Tae

>>157486426
Killy, try to remember the basics of CQC!

>>157486671
Pleb.

>>157486693
COACH I'M STILL GETTING BEAT UP

How was Sanakan capable of getting through the barrier?

>>157486681
Haha, so you finally realize what a fucking moron you've been.
Good.
Now go rewatch the movie and tell me what a fucking masterpiece of a tragedy it is.

>>157486607
Sorry but that is nonsense. Kodansha and King Records are on the Sidonia Production Committee. Netflix are not. Those companies actually have ownership in the anime. Polygon, Kodansha and King Records. Netflix do not. They pay for streaming rights, they might very well have paid a lot and that isn't being argued with at all but its very much not their project.

>>157486480
I don't think Killy/Sanakan are model series.
They seem to be unique safeguards, at least there's nothing stating the opposite.

>>157486713
Pleb. (It's a political thriller, not a tragedy, pleb.)

>>157486582

To be fair, Sanekan is extremely overpowered in the manga.

>>157486436
>muh samefagging
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>157486736
Consider the possibility that a movie can fit more than one genre, Einstein.

>>157486707
Got human DNA from Tae I presume, that stuff wasn't explained too well.

>>157486750
Multiple people pointing out someone is being stupid must be samefags. It couldn't be that more than one person could think he was wrong.

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>>157486720
>there's nothing stating the opposite

>Is Killy really a Safeguard?
>No...
mk

Disregarding all of that - Killy also kills the only copy of him that's ever made, and the copy doesn't even have hair. And Pcell's descendant explicitly says that she was saved by Killy. It's Killy.

>>157486468
>Was I implying that I didn't get it?
You didn't imply it. You're flat out showing that you didn't get it. Right in this very post. And the others before them.

> likeable
You are on the same level as those people who keep going on about self-insert. You are the one who don't get it.

>>157486715
> Netflix are not.
Sorry to brake it to you but Netflix is a party in 東亜重工動画制作局. It has been since Knights of Sidonia.

Tae ;_;

>>157486720
Sanakan is a special safeguard like Iko and Dhomochevsky. Killy is an ancient safeguard

>>157486763
First I wasn't even sure if Tae wasn't just mind controlled. But after watching the flashback again it was obvious that she died back then.

Holy shit, you two/three, stop arguing about fucking Oshii and Netflix. If you want to discuss Oshii, make an Oshii thread. This is not the place.

>>157486799
Right.
I hate to quote monty python, because they're pretty shit most of the time.
But anyhow, "that's not an argument, it's just contradiction!"

>>157486756
Consider the possibility that you're a pleb.

>what about muh feels for the character tho?

>>157486745
Sanakan is only overpowerd as long as he is connected to the Net, so she can use the towers to rebuild herself.

Once she cuts the connection he gets fucked up by the Silicon life

>>157486798
Wasn't he a safeguard?
I thought he was an agent of the Authority, created an extremely long time ago - making him a safeguard.
Unless I've got this shit wrong in my head.
Same with Dhomo and Ike, think Sanakan was made later.

>>157484142
>cuckfield
kek

>>157486528
I'm a different anon and he's right. From the moment you keep going on about likable or not, it already showed that you missed the point. You have indeed been very clear. The problem is you're the one who is not clear about what the others are talking about.

>If you genuinely want to know what I've actually been saying you can go ahead and scroll up.
That applies to you. Take your own advice.

>>157486810
If you can provide a source showing that then I will concede that they are but from what I have read they very much are not.

>To fund “Sidonia,” Shiota and his colleagues abandoned the standard production committee model of investment, in which a group of typically eight or nine partners finance a project to minimize individual risk. Instead, they decided that they would invest in creating their own intellectual property, alongside two other companies, Kodansha and King Records.

>>157486840
That guy is not me. I would only reply with pleb, because you are clearly backpedalling now, pleb.

>>157486606
>whiny melodramatic fags
*tips fedora*

Man, it sure has been a while since I've seen the Internet Tough Guy.

How is the show with HDR activated?

>>157486867
No he isn't.
>>157486606
This is the message of the film.
It fails because the characters are unlikable.
So there's not feeling of tragedy from a tragic story.
I understand that both of the characters are in this relationship unnaturally and to the detriment of the other. If that's the case, then there's no point to the movie and the characters certainly shouldn't have the waterworks at the end.

It's not a difficult to understand film.
If you lack the capacity to take away such a basic message, then I get the impression this discussion isn't worth continuing.

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>>157486823
Sanakan is older then Killy

>>157486896
Get over yourself.
I've been arguing with at least one other anon for the course of this whole argument.
You're far less capable than the other one.

>>157486956
>>157486882

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Do you think some madman will re-render the movie with 60fps like they've done for Sidonia?
I sure hope so, shit could be cash.
>the whole movie with movement as fluid as the Cibo Net Sphere scene.

reminder that
>gauna wanted to be friends
>safeguards wanted to be friends
>silicon lifeforms wanted to be friends

I missed the particle effects of that trailer within Sidonia

>>157486953
though, wasn't she human in noise

>>157486931
>It fails because the characters are unlikable.
Pleb.

>>157486983
It isn't rerendering, it's interpolation.

>>157486905
HDR is a meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdKwfEv145A

>>157487012
So was Killy

>>157486983
It's one of the things I'm most mad about in this age of CG.

You're not drawing these fucking frames by hand anymore, just up the framerate to 60 already holy shit. It'll be worth the time spent rendering the frames. I thought 60fps was smooth as shit until I got a 144hz monitor for gaming purposes. Now going back to 60 looks choppy as fuck and watching movies at 24 and anime at 12 is just awful slideshow-tier shit.

>>157486931
>the characters are unlikable.
for you

>>157485765
>>157485905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxgYqAoK64Y

>>157487028
Yeah, realised I used the wrong word after I'd posted.
My bad. Rendering would require the original source files which are never gonna come out.

>>157486983
>>157487047
Read this: https://anidb.net/post383801
tl;dr: the framerate is not the problem.

>>157487048
Fine. If that's what it comes down to.
I find it funny that nihei was able to make me feel more sympathy for a guy that spoke maybe 30 words throughout a whole series than Oshii was in an entire movie of dialogue and interaction.
But whatever floats your boat, dude.

>>157487047
I remember reading an article or interview with someone saying that CG anime is purposely done at low FPS to make it look more like hand-drawn anime.
Don't quote me on this though, don't have a source rn.

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>>157487090
Whatever floats your boat, pleb.

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>>157487047
It's an intention stylistic choice to appeal to Japanese tastes in animation. It isn't going to change anytime soon.


>>157487095
Here you go.

>>157487089
Yeah I remember Sidonia's animations being trash as well.
This movie was quite an improvement though, especially when it comes to facial expressions.

>>157487114
It's funny how angry you are at a guy you're talking to over the internet about a movie.

>>157482670

> IGN 3/10

- Too much 3d

>>157487117
Good job, archivemaster-anon.

>>157487095
Pixar and co stuff are more in line of old stop motion clay animation than traditional hand-drawn animations.

CG anime can't do that without becoming something else

>>157487151
I actually made that way back in the day but did have to find it again in the archive.

>>157487126
soon they will be as good as pixar and acquired by disney