Could Medusa Nadeko's actually kill Shinobu? Did Nadeko

She swallowed the bookmark which made her a God. The snake oddity, which was pretty much a split personality created by her sense of guilt just told her to do it.

>>157446177
So Shinobu didn't stand a chance against her?

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>>157445850
yes, she and everyone else also knew she was best girl

Kiss-shot >>> Snake Godess Nadeko >>> Shinobu

Maybe remove one chevron for Teen Shinobu, but it doesn't make that much difference.

>>157447502
>>157447863
This

>>157447863
But even Kiss-shot wasn't a god, could she really defeat snake-god Nadeko? She couldn't consume her, right?

>>157448709
Yeah, she could. Kiss-Shot wasn't just a strong vampire, she was pretty much the be-all-end-all (until the Darkness came along anyway, but that's a whole different issue altogether). She only lost against the three stooges because a) Oshino had already stolen her heart knocking her down to something like <50% power and b) she actually didn't put up a fight because at the time she wanted to die.

She's the reason Kaii activity went up in the city and at the shrine, she's effectively a living (undead?) phonemenon. I can't remember to be sure, but if it wasn't for her the shrine might not have been possible to restore in the first place.

Also she took out the entire planet. Admittedly it was via zombie apocalypse, but she still took out all (or at least near enough to all) the Specialists at once in Oshino's ill-fated joint attack on her. So that's something to be sure.

There's also the fact that she leapt from Antarctica to Japan in one jump, shattering the continent in the process, so yeah.

And yeah, she could probably consume her. Gods are still a type of Kaii in Monogatari at the end of the day, IIRC.

>>157449138
Although I suppose the witch who originally cursed her and Deathtopia could be stronger than her, but it's kind of a moot point.

>>157449768
Is the witch that cursed Kiss-shot still around?

>>157445850
No. Vampires are notoriously hard to kill.

Shinobu's exlover burned in the sun and reassembled himself.

>>157451270
Dunno, I've not read Wazamonogatari yet.

>>157451758
Shinobu is nowhere near as powerful in her sealed state, killing her is probably viable if really hard. I think it was suggested that Kagenui could've exterminated her in her child state at least.

>>157451758
I think it's like the other guy said, Kiss-shot/Shinobu is kind of a special case in the world of vampires. She even fails at killing herself, which seems pretty telling of just how powerful she is at full strength (in the B timeline).

But, I was mostly wondering about how powerful snake god Nadeko is. Does she have any sort of healing powers? I guess it wasn't shown in the show so maybe we just don't know. If Kaiki failed to talk her down, would she have really been able to take out Shinobu and Araragi if they were actually determined to kill her? I think Araragi would try everything he could to prevent it from coming to that, but at some point he'd have to realize that she's something he has to deal with.

>>157449768
>>157451270
Also I meant both the witch AND Deathtopia could be stronger than her, not that the witch cursed Deathtopia. Deathtopia being Kiss-Shot's vampiric sire whilst also being able to survive the curse would suggest she's pretty godly, especially given that the curse was so powerful that another vampire sired by her like Tropicalesque managed to permanently kill herself by it beyond even their lineage of god-tier regeneration.
Then again, Rola was kind of an anomolous human even before she became Kiss-Shot, so maybe she just has innately obscene potential. Dunno, to be honest.

>>157451758
>>157452574
The Kiss-Shot (or possibly Deathtopia) lineage of vampires has the highest regeneration of vampires that we know of. That said, you can tell the difference in power between Kiss-Shot and Vampire Araragi and Shinobu and current Araragi, it's like day and night. Koyomi can survive some disembowelment and the like if Shinobu drinks his blood, but it's not compared to the point he was at against Kiss-Shot, where they were literally decapitating each other and tearing each other to pieces and regenerating in the same instance without even falling down.
Nadeko couldn't hurt Kiss-Shot by any means and probably couldn't even kill Vamparagi, but in their current state they'd be fucked, they're power and regeneration is still nowhere near high enough. Teen Shinobu is just about strong enough to beat Onozuki whilst powered Koyomi could only be a punching bag for Kagenui, so even an unstable Nadeko would still probably destroy them.
I'm pretty sure her snake venom fucks with their regeneration power anyway, come to think of it.

>>157453006
Nadeko seems to have pretty good control over her powers, considering the short time between when she got them and when the date was set for the final showdown. Araragi is disemboweled plenty of times between their first meeting and when Kaiki finally waltzed up to talk her down. While it's obvious she went a bit off the deep-end to even end up like that, it's not like she's totally insane, she makes sure not to kill Araragi before the arranged date.

I guess there is a question as to what she would have done after killing the trio that day. I think she would've fallen into a depression right after the fact, though I don't know if she would give up her status right then. Would another oddity specialist eventually show up and put her down (assuming she started causing havoc)?

>>157453930
Nadeko would probably snap or at the very least lose all vestiges of humanity she had left.
>Would another oddity specialist eventually show up and put her down (assuming she started causing havoc)?
Probably. Although I suppose it depends on what Gaen intended to do with God Nadeko.

>>157453006
>Onozuki
What the fuck is wrong with me today, I must've mixed up Ononoki with Onizuka or something.

>>157445850
Nadeko could kill Shinobu in her weakest form. However that's not an achievement.
Araragi goes himself to Vs. Yozuru levels of powered up to face Nadeko multiple times during her period of Godhood, this means Teen Shinobu would have been walking around and ready to mingle.
However we know Araragi tried to talk his entire way throughout every encounter and was only using his powers as a defensive counter to Nadeko's poison.

With all this in mind, we can deduce that Teen Shinobu would have been able to fight God Nadeko with just two abilities but Araragi was actively nerfing her by not having her do anything but power him up so he can talk Nadeko down.

The fact Shinobu can fly and has ranged attacks automatically just shits on Nadeko.

>powerlevelfags

just kill yourself already.

>>157454489
Gaen showed up at the temple right after Nadeko left, and then complained to Araragi about now that the place was empty it was like a magnet to other oddities, right? If that's the case it seems like she would've left Nadeko alone so long as Nadeko didn't stir up too much shit or go totally crazy.

I wonder if Nadeko would've actually attracted more worshipers over time. I mean, Kaiki only knew to go there because Crab told him, and we never see anyone else at that shrine before Nadeko takes over. I would imagine one day some kids would go up there to fuck around and Nadeko would want to play with them.

>>157445850
More importantly, does Araragi keep his luscious locks in the new books?

>>157455352
>that's the case it seems like she would've left Nadeko alone so long as Nadeko didn't stir up too much shit or go totally crazy.

This is a plot point in Koimonogatari. Gaen pays Kaiki 30 million yen to fuck off because Nadeko being in the shrine has worked out pretty well all things considered and Shinobu won't become God to put an actual oddity in the shrine considering Shinobu has experience being worshipped as a God.

>>157455465
Ah yeah, I remember that now. Is Gaen powerful enough to put Nadeko down should things have gone wrong? I guess she must have felt confident that she could put an end to that if she was willing to pay Kaiki enough to keep his grubby hands away from her.

I'm not fully convinced that Nadeko would have really done much of anything after killing Araragi, Crab, and Shinobu though. I think she hit peak delusion once she became the snake goddess of the shrine, but then sort of plateaued and was holding steady while waiting for the agreed on date. I think her youth played a part in her not really grasping the consequences of her actions, and her immaturity would probably soften the blow of actually killing two (or three, depending on how you count shinobu) human beings. However, i think long term she would get bored of living as a god there in the shrine, especially considering her age. I wonder if Gaen had planned that far ahead, because if Nadeko gave up godhood after killing Shinobu, wouldn't the same problem of having a sort of power vacuum still be there? Or I guess with Shinobu being dead there wouldn't really be a competing oddity for the head spot and Gaen could deal with the small time oddities as they rolled into town.

>>157456447
>Is Gaen powerful enough to put Nadeko down should things have gone wrong?

Even if she personally is not, Yozuru is and Gaen just has to say "There is a God in that shrine pretending to be a little girl" and Yozuru would be all over that.
Gaen's strength comes from her connections and let's be real, Nadeko may be strong as a God but she's not Kiss-shot or Yozuru tier no matter how many snakes you produce and how many poison bites you have.

Though ultimately that moveset is pretty neato considering it removes two of the issues with it. Summoning snakes to deliver your poison means that if you can bind someone then they're fucked and being able to create a large amount of snakes just increases those chances.

As to your point about Nadeko destroying the town. I suspect it is as much of a threat as the series portrays it.
Normally I wouldn't take it as such a big deal but the moment Nadeko lays out her hit list and targets Kanbaru, someone she actually likes and has no reason to kill by her own word, we can then take into account that the rest of the nobodies in the town are just free game to her.

>>157445850

Nadeko Medusa never became an ACTUAL "kami", if that's what you're asking. In the first place, 'kami' and the english word "God" aren't 1 to 1 equals like people treat them. There are 8,000,000 and 1 kamis, and some are just rocks that can think "I" in folklore.

But that aside, like so much in Monogatari, it's just perception and wordplay. They were willing to call whatever took up residence in the shrine and had a smidgeon of power a 'god' because that's how they're "supposed" to be treated, and it solves Gaen/the town's issue of the shrine being a kaii/bad thing dumping ground.

In reality Nadeko just became a Human-based kaii, the same as Black Hanekawa. She ate a talisman filled with a metric fuckton of "evulz" and "generic japanese spiritual bad things" and they all possessed her and transmogrified her into an insane, "evil" being, a personification of Nadeko's selfish inner self (kinda like a shadow from persona) that lost all semblances of inner inhibitions and control mechanisms so she basically did whatever emotional nonsense came into her head.

After she eats the talisman the part of her that's manifesting as Kuchinawa even says "You became a god that only you believed in/worship."

And it's all bullshit anyway, because everything that happens in OtoriMonogatari was done by Ougi, who was puppetmastering Nadeko and pulling the strings, which is something everyone seems to forget.

Ougi is the one who flags Nadeko down and LITERALLY mindfucks and brainwashes her into: (a) telling her about the talisman and exactly where it is, ordering her to eat it and transform, (b) gives her the scrunchie and mindfucks her into having the 'split personality' that is Kuchinawa, essentially controlling all her actions pre-eating, and (c) makes her forget all about it.

Otori and Koi Monogatari are Ougi petulantly getting revenge on Araragi for not following her script during the Math/Sodachi arc and him and Hanekawa besting her, and she OPENLY says this.

Maybe a dumb question, but how did the white snakes shrine get refurbished once Nadeko took residence there? Was it rebuilt by her power or did someone hire some contractors to build it up nice and new?

Or was it the same as always, but we see Nadeko's perception of it as large and splendid, when it reality it's still a shitty ruin? The only reason I don't think it's that last option is because when Koyomi visited on the last day when Gaen was there, it still looked nice even though Nadeko was gone.

>>157459587
It's also still big and new during Tsukimonogatari

fuck no. if snake killed araragi, kiss-shot would destroy snake's smelly ass

>>157459587

Most likely the answer is Gaen. She's the one trying to reinstate the shrine with a real kaii/kami and stop it from being a badness magnet, and she's got the pull and no-how to make usre it got instantly. We know for a fact she was fine with Nadeko as an interim 'kami'. The only reason the shrine fell into disrepair was because when they tried to refurbish it without a god it just fell apart.

>Still two months until Kizu Part 3
Dammit

>>157459773
I think Crab mentioned this to Nadeko, who then decided to kill her first, then Crab, and then end with Araragi.