It was on this day ten years ago (the 20th in Japan) that our eternal bro Kamina lost his life in dangerous struggle against the beast men. Let's pay homage to his memory with a fun Gurren Lagann thread.
>10 years since Kamina died
>Kamina lost his life in dangerous struggle against the beast men
One of the worst points of the show.
They never went deep about how many Beastmen were evil and how many wanted ro live peacefully with humans, thus creating potential conflict and moral ambiguity.
It refused to become something more ambitious
I used to have a screencap of that day, where every single thread on the frontpage was this.
Wish I still had it.
>They never went deep about how many Beastmen were evil and how many wanted ro live peacefully with humans
That's literally the entire point of Viral's character. They were taught that for a fact they were better than humans and they deserved to be in the ground.
>Gurren Lagann refused to become something more ambitious
What kind of Shitposting is this
Pile > Drill Drills are pretty good too though.
this entire manga is just TTGL references
The amount of symbolism they get out of a drill is staggering
I mean life fuck it might be the most ingrained symbol into any show ever
>underground race of people (originally 3 episodes, but cut)
>Simon starts the show drilling downwards
>Kamina tells Simon to drill upwards to the heavens
>The entirety of SPIRAL power
>Double Helix DNA
(Lordgenome and his four generals being the components of DNA)
>the entire theme of expanding like the width of a Spiral
>Kamina's last words acting like a Spiral "believe in the you who believes in yourself"
And probably another mountain worth of shit I don't realize.
Well they weren't wrong, but they're weren't "right"
>rewatching first episode right now
>Simon is literally drilling downward in a spiral without Kamina after he gets out in "jail"
This fucking series
Bringing back Lordgenome was a good move though
Rossiu is one of my favorite characters in the entire show. He's forced into a high ranking government position in a rapidly developing state and instead of improving and keeping up, he completely regresses to the values he learned as a child. Someone must be sacrificed for the greater good, even if it doesn't make sense. This is even prevalent during his suicide attempt, where he thinks that his death with atone for his sins.
Also, an added bonus, he's one of two people who actually worry about Simon when Kamina dies, as well as being Lagann's second pilot ever.
its called being a coward.
they decide they had the power to do whatever the fuck they thought was the right thing to do.
if you want to seal yourself in a moon for all eternity in a parallel dimension then do it, but why force your shitty mindset and tirany over the rest of the universe?
also rossiu is a faggot.
Rather pay tribute to best girl who gets no love from anyone ever.
That scene is super sad, but I always appreciated how willing Viral is to throw away this objectively better life for his duty. It really sealed the deal that he's one of the best characters in the show.
That's exactly why it hit me so hard. I was expecting him to want to be a general or something else filled with bravado and grandeur. The fact that his deepest desire was just to have a family, and that he would never get to have one of his own cut me deep.
Why can nothing top TTGL in gar?
The coolest shit
He's very intresting/complelling but that doesn't make him my favorite
Same with Asuka in NGE
Ever hear of Sailor smogon Crystal?
What about Dragonball Super?
Or Rebuild of Evangelion
How about that upcoming Pokemon first anime remake?
Notice anything in common with all of them?
they're all shit that lack what made the original good in the first place
It came, did what it needed to do and left. No one asked anything more of it.
But at the same time, no one asked for a sequel to Gunbuster and there was one anyway. One that didn't tarnish the original at all.
A flimsy comparison since Diebuster is pretty much entirely removed from the original cast by 1000s of years, but the point is there's no limit to the number of directions another FLCL could take.
Sure more FLCL isn't needed, but that doesn't make it a bad idea immediately.
>Rebuild is good though.
Third one is literally undefendable
>Rebuild is good though. You're just contrarian
Please tell me how they didn't butcher Asuka's character into a generic Tsundere
Or Rei's into a shitty Kuudere
Or Kaworu into literal gayness, not an angelic love caretaker but someone dedicated to only making Shinji happy.
3.0 is probably the best one but it's story telling methods are so shitty where it's actively keeping the viewer in the dark and only Shinji's perspective something as a complete contrast to the rest of Eva and the Rebuilds and is only done to get a twist in the story. 1.0 a remake but shows off Lillith early for some reason even though it's a huge reveal that NERV is a secret cult protecting god until the time is right. They're both good visually and musically though
But especially fuck Mari her and Beast mode are effectively the most useless shit ever in Evangelion. I find the mass produced Evas to have more character than she does
Watch Getter Armageddon and take a shot every time you see something GL referenced. Also have a dialysis machine on stand by.
I fapped more times to her than I did to Yoko, that's something.
Now that's a term I haven't heard in forever.
>Transforming the infinite darkness into light!
>Unmatched in heaven and Earth, One machine, equal to the gods!
No, that happens in the Gurren-Hen movie. This is actually from the TV show, leaving us a glimpse of what Simon and the Dai Gurren Dan would do in the future. The humanoid besides Simon is Boota
>GAR not being heard in forever
Has it really been so long since I've been to /a/
We need more recent super robot series with the same level of quality as TTGL. I can't remember the last time a show had me so hyped.
Friendly reminder that spiral energy is just a cheap knock off of Getter Rays and that a single Getter Beam from Shin Getter can allow Simon to turn their space ship into Chou Ginga GL, which means Getter Rays contain an immense amount of evolutionary power compared to shitty spiral energy. It can then be summarized that Getter Emperor > STTGL despite being smaller.
>10 years ago
LET ME OUT OF HERE
didn't you know that they FUCKING STOLE this shot from ashita no joe???? This automatically makes the scene shit and they should feel bad about it. Everything has to be unique and donotsteal. In fact why the fuck aren't cavemen suing our assess for portraying humans in our works? they did it first.
What was the whole deal with clothes in KLK? Is it the same as personas/faces that we have to wear in society? The whole message fell flat for me, it didn't feel all that true.
Absolutely not: they are the creatures of spiral and they know that spiral is an absolute truth of their universe so they should have followed it to the end. Even if it brought destruction to the universe so be it: let the universe be reborn if the truth demands it.
Then again maybe they knew all that but felt their limits in this struggle and they subconsciously made themselves wait for the crew like dai guren to push through where they couldn't.
So there is no answer, really: you never know what will lead to what. You may save a baby only for that baby to become mass murderer and you can kill a bunch of people and thanks to that a great period of piece will follow.
TTGL is unironically the deepest animu because it stays so close to the simple truth of the spiral and explores it in variety of ways. Stuff that goes far up their own ass like reason dietre is needed but those are sparks into the branches of the unknown that have a chance of discovering something new while TTGL is a pillar of everlasting flame of basic truth.
I don't think being naive and carefree is a positive thing, anon. When I used the word "cringey" I actually mean what the word implies. Being more cautious and sparing in your words is better for board quality in the end.
Agreed. I think it's nice to be able to emotionally invest yourself in silly things. Nowadays it feels like everyone must play it safe and be some sort of elite connoisseur all the time (or someone who came to fap to something)
This eyecatch is so fucking good. Just look at these expressions. Everything is in it. I don't even like Rossiu and think what he did was retarded, but this eyecatch alone is enough to redeem him in my eyes. I can empathize with his feelings solely because of it.
No they just changed the direction mid way which obviously turned out for better. The great thing is that in the gl universe they were able to retcon it into one of the alternative dimensions. Also a reminder that nothing in the world is perfect just like
ghosts in lotr
Friendly reminder that most of /a/ first watched TTGL as a dub.
Not the first round when Sy-Fy aired it with their 20-hour ads.
But the second airing after that.
Most of you faggots weren't even here when it aired.
Speaking of russia
I always liked this part in dub. It's not better than original but nonetheless is great.
The thing is, he experienced the power of spiral firsthand so there is no excuse to act like he did aside from being high off his ego. It's like a person refusing to use electricity because making a fire is more palpable and "real"..
Rossiu grew in 50 different flavours of fucked up as part of a religious cult, left of his own free will, then within 7 years he rose up to elected official as a 20-something year old. And at the first sign of pressure he couldn't control, he resorted to ceremonial execution like his childhood solved problems as >>157435846 mentioned.
Nothing was fucking realistic about any of it except for the part where he regressed into repressed childhood behaviours because he spent all his teenage years running armies and public policy and infrastructure and logistics and academia and keeping fucking Lordgenome's head in a jar since the day Teppelin fell.
I mostly agree with you on that. However that has nothing to do with what I said about concise posting contributing to board quality. You're using the false dichotomy of "old /a/>new /a/, therefore attributes that only exist on new /a/ are what made it worse".
F. I have that really good Kamina fig.
What a fantastic fucking show
10 years and I still haven't seen a single work of media to have such a memorable impact on me.
The message is so simply and straightforward yet there's so many little details leading up to everything until everything finally erupts into batshit insanity to drive the point home.
I think that beautiful simplicity that Gurren Lagann had is what Trigger series are missing that make them lack the magic. New trigger shows just focus on being "cuh-ray-zee" without having much direction, but Gurren Lagann had a singular message and every single little thing in the show served to drive that message into the viewer.
Don't click this image
Gar is still here, there just aren't as many shows that it applies to as of late.
People talked about "gar-moe" all the time back when KLK was getting anounced but that was the last I heard of it.
I never even noticed that and I've watched this show at least 10 times.
Also I think the amount of symbolism with the moon/space is really incredible as well.
Eventually that loops back into the drill symbolism with the spiral shape of galaxies.
this scene and shinkai movies are the only things that have made me cry in the past 10 years
>They're both good visually and musically though
And that's what you should be looking for you massive baby. If you expected something original when it comes to plot or character, you should have looked in a different place.
And Asuka and Rei where the archetypal examples of the character traits you said they were downgraded to. To a new watcher Rei and Asuka aren't that interesting because of the osmosis those types have suffered from the industry.
Nobody was going to watch the rebuilds for the reveals man. It was just a different take on the show. If you expected something with the magnitude or the hype of the original series, well, watch the original series.
Although, if you watched it back then, I bet you would say some shit about how the series is monster of the week and you would have dropped in before ep 12.
And I do not even like rebuilds that much, I just can't accept that you don't have any legit complains about it other than "t-they didn't make the chars and the plot the way I wanted to" without saying much else.
Gurren Lagann? Not so good. It is a shitty show with ugly designs and forced hotbloodedness.
It is a good design.
Was everyone 14 when they saw this or something? I watched TTGL not so long ago and it seemed ok, nothing special.
Just seemed like DBZ with less interesting cast (except Viral, his stuff was good) and managing to have worse pacing (going from the spiral king level of power to the fucking anti-spiral battle in less than 10 episodes is just too fast).
>Just seemed like DBZ with less interesting cast
>implying he died
He's right here in our hearts, you know.
No it didn't and no it doesn't.
Ashita no Joe was not the first anime to have the "white out scene", and TTGL is not the first anime to use it after AnJ.
You reek of faggot. Go back to gaia.
Simon is shit, Kamina is about as deep as a puddle even for shonen, and the plot just advances via Deus Ex Machina. Rossiu was also a pretty decent character but completely antithetical to the series' main gist so he was always destined to be sidelined. You just want a power level scream to win fest but DBZ is too popular so you latch onto TTGL.
Also TTGL's way of overcoming obstacles is terrible, to compare it to DBZ again, in DBZ it's all achieved through training and hard work to the point of almost dying repeatedly, while in TTGL it's just "if you want it enough you can do it". I guess that appeals to lazy shits who do nothing all day, while the former basically excludes them from self-inserting completely.
Is super robot mecha as a genre dead? There hasn't been as gar as a series as Mazinger Z/Getter Robo/Gurren Lagann in years. And who knows if Trigger or somebody else wants to make one nowadays
Getter Robo, which inspired Gurren Lagann, and Mazinkaiser are worth checking out if you like overpowered robots beating stuff up and saying screw logic!
Is there any charts like pic related for it?
There is, but I don't have it
I would watch Getter Robo Armageddon to get a feel for the series, it's only 13 episodes but its pretty good, or watch New Getter Robo
for the manga, it goes like this: Getter Robo, getter robo G, Shin Getter Robo, Getter Robo Go, Getter Robo Arc (though ark is imcomplete due to the creator dying before it could finish)
There's also a new manga out called getter robo devolution, made by the guy behind Linebarrels of Iron
KLK should have solely focused on the scissors as it's theme in the same way TTGL used the drill. It was the motif established at the start with the immediately established duality between Ryuko and Satsuki, and as the series goes on and the two sides get stronger as they drift closer together it only continues to be appropriate. However they muddled it up with too much shit about clothing towards the end, and by the time Super Saiyan Ryuko flies up into space and decrees that humans are human and clothing is clothing as the supposed resolution of the story it completely fell apart.
TTGL worked because it structured itself like the drill, and resolved itself with the drill. The link made between the human spirit and a drill through the spiral structure of DNA and the consequent declaration that humanity will bore into the future was cheesy but tight as fuck. Funny thing is, KLK actually had a similar chance to pull a tight as fuck declaration up until halfway through the last episode as you can see in pic related. Though it had already gotten pretty heavy on the meaningless tangential themes by this point, this battle with Ryuko and Satsuki cutting Ragyo in half was the resolution of scissors coming together, and they cut through their target in the same way Simon bored through the Antispiral. Obviously since it then continued onto a really hollow Ryuko vs Ragyo space fight it was not as impactful, but if you reworked the second half of KLK and had something similar with Satsuki and Ryuko together beating Ragyo as the climax with some stuff about working together and duality and shit in there they easily could have made it comparable in quality to the climax of TTGL.
KLK really should have not tried to be about clothes, it was like if TTGL ended by dropping the drill theming and having Simon scream about mechs.
there is nothing noble in dbz: goku is a junky who lives and dies for dem fights and dem gainz and his gainz come at extraordinary levels, so if anything it's more detrimental to your personal progress because you will have to do with five pounds of muscle a year and shitty stats.
Also saiyans get stronger by dying, so if we will follow your train of though dbz tells you that you have to die in order to overcome your problems. Great message I agree.
Nia is adorable!
The works of Ken Ishikawa were a great influence on Kazuki Nakashima, TTGL's writer.
Ken Ishikawa is one of my favourite artists. Kazuki Nakashima would agree. I just want more people to check him out regardless of whether they like TTGL or not.
Yeah requiring effort and training to achieve a goal is a terrible message, much better to a lazy sack of shit, when the time comes you just need to scream and power yourself up using your innate power, you'll show those damn Chads and bullies who spend an hour at the gym every day!
Maybe. Check out Getter Robo next
A manga artist who worked from the early 70s until his death in 2006. He was a great friend of the famous and influential Mangaka Go Nagai, who he worked as an assistant for during the earlier years of his career. His most famous work by far is the mecha series Getter Robo, though he himself isn't actually famous for it. Thanks to Ishikawa's willingness to credit Go Nagai for helping him out with the series during its early planning stages, Getter Robo is wrongly considered a Go Nagai work far more often (Dynamic Productions regularly crossing the series over with Mazinger Z and and its sequels, not to mention their almost symbiotic appearances in the Super Robot Wars series does not help).
Ken Ishikawa is known for his distinctive art style and character designs, which usually involve lots of sketchy black lines, crazy spinning eyes and insane grins. In addition to Humongous Mecha, many of his manga were about ancient Japan and even in his sci-fi works, themes and philosophies taken from eastern spirituality are often present.
Ken Ishikawa sadly died early in November 2006, at the age of 58, though he's well remembered by many fans and animation studios.
Getter Robo — His most famous work, the first Combining Mecha series.
Kyomu Senki — Less known than Getter Robo, but just as long and considered equally good. Each series takes place in a different time period, from the Heian era to the 70th century, and work as a stand-alone tale.
Kyomu Senshi Miroku
Ninpou Honnouji Kashinkojino Youjutsu
Tiger Of 5000 Light Years
Jigen Seibutsuki Dogura
Skull Killer Jakiou — A young boy fights monsters in Tokyo using a berserker, cannibalistic cloned bio-mech. Strange sexual imagery abound. Created looong before Evangelion.
Maju Sensen — Apocalyptic horror about people with the forms and abilities of beasts. Considered to be a Spiritual Successor to Devilman.
Makai Tensho — An adaption of the novel of the same name.
THAT IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO EXTINCTION. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THE PATHETIC LIMITATIONS OF THE SPIRAL RING?
Let's talk about the cutest and most perfect girl to ever grace this world
Gotta cut it even closer.
The thing is, I don't need to get motivation in the gym: I just lift and that is that, i don't need to think how hard goku lifts because him and I have nothing in common.
But when the time to tackle something that seems impossible comes, which is pretty much everything that lies in the unknown and so everything that has value, I absolutely do think about gl just as a reminder that everything that you want is there to strive for. I don't have a mecha or dead aniki but we share underlying desire to do something that we consider is right even if the world (surroundings) thinks that it's impossible.
The same can be applied to the gym btw: when the progress stalls you go to gl, not to dbz when the gainz train is unstoppable.
Lucky thing the manga fixed everything by resurrecting her near the end.
Man, this is just too good to be true. Started rewatching TTGL 4 days ago, and today I was gonna watch the episode Kamina dies (in fact dreading it), and now I find out its the 10 year anniversary, damn. I don't believe in faith but this coincidence fucks my shit up.
Sorry for blog.
Ten years and there still isn't a definitive collection of all the references and originators of tropes used in the show.
Still best character ever. If this nigga didn't inspire you to get off your ass and do something with your life, nothing will.
>tfw accidentally come across this and accidentally got hyped, even after all these years
Where has the time gone? Anyway, i'm glad this thread's here when this happened.
Reminder that real men don't die, they live on forever in their legacy.
One of the points of FLCL was maturing up and not dwelling on the same shit over and over.
A remake-sequel would be against that point.
For one, the Student Council members are referred to as the four devas, ie the Four Heavenly Kings in Buddhism, who are said to be protectors of Lord Sakra, living atop "Mount Sumeru" (the center of the Buddhist universe) which you'll find looks similar to the design of the strange mountain that Honnoji Gakuen sits atop. Mount Sumeru is said to be populated with terraces where different levels of Sakra's followers reside, similar to the star system in the series.
Honnoji Academy is a reference to the Honnoji Incident in 1582, where Nobunaga was betrayed by his general Akechi Mitsuhide at the Honnoji Buddhist temple in Kyoto. This is alluded to when student council member Sanageyama directly quotes Mitsuhide's famous "The enemy awaits at Honnō-ji!" speech. Ragyo = Nobunaga, the daimyo trying to unify Japan (Ragyo trying to take over the world), and Satsuki = Akechi Mitsuhide, the general that betrays her at Honnoji (the same place that Satsuki betrays her mother in the series). This also fits with the idea of the temple sitting atop Mount Sumeru, since Buddhist temples are often architecturally designed to invoke the imagery of Sumeru (you will also find images online that show Honnoji Gakuen, when seen from afar, is designed to look like a Kamui uniform with it's arms in a round circle, relating to the Buddhist meditation position where practitioners bring their hands in a circle in front of them and imagine themselves as Mount Sumeru).
The light seen emanating from Satsuki and Ragyo is a reference to the "rainbow body" phenomen, a state of spiritual realization in Tibetan Buddhism, wherein light is said to emanate from practitioners as they reach higher levels of understanding. In the most advanced state, where one is said to have attained complete knowledge, rainbow colors are seen. Not only does light emanate from Satsuki and Ragyo, but Ragyo also exhibits rainbow colors, and at one point even specifically refers to herself as "one who knows all the truths in this world." You'll also note that during the bath scene with Satsuki (which Ragyo refers to as a "ritual") at the climax of the scene Satsuki's chakra (specific energy points on the body) are very clearly shown as being opened.
The story of Kill la Kill may be a reference to an ancient Tibetan apocalypse mythology, that predicts a war in which foreign invaders will be defeated by a king from a distant land that joins forces with the gods of Mount Sumeru to bring peace and understanding to the world (something to that effect), which is possibly a reference to Ryuko joining forces with Satsuki to defeat the aliens. More generally speaking though, the story I think focuses on Ryuko's personal "path to enlightenment" (i.e., the Way she's not supposed to Lose), and how she's helped by her Kamui (god clothing) to come to an ultimate understanding (or Nirvana) about herself and the nature of her existence, and to be at peace with it. This is most notable in that Ryuko defeats Ragyo at the end of the series, not by destroying her, but by "Absorbing" her with Senketsu. "Absorption" is a state known as jhana (meditative absorption) and is the last of the eightfold paths in Buddhist practice needed for attaining Nirvana.
There are many other possible references, including what looks like a lotus blossom (very important Buddhist symbol) during the Absorption, Senketsu possibly being a Boddhisatva, and a visual nod to Nirvana (snuffing of the flame) in Senketsu's death scene.
The story revolves around Ryuko, who's deeply upset about her father's death, and later about the realization of her true nature/existence as being both clothing and human. But at the end of the series she accepts the nature of her existence and doesn't let it affect her anymore. As a thematic central message, that sort of character progression seems to resonate with Buddhist belief, that the world is filled with suffering born from a lack of understanding/acceptance of the nature of reality and one's self (dukkha), and that peace is achieved from coming to understand and accept that nature, and not allow it to affect one's self (nirvana). While Ryuko at the beginning of the series is confused and angry by the death of her father, at the end of the series she can think back to Senketsu (who also had passed away) and smile knowingly (the fact that her father and Senketsu both share an eyepatch seems to make the parallel all the stronger). Ryuko's "way" was the path to her coming to accept the nature of life and of herself, which is why the Buddhist imagery seems an appropriate a thematic umbrella.
>tfw you have the gurren lagann artbook with all those lewd pics
You know this bait would be a lot better if you said Dragonball as that actually had characterization and character arcs.
By DBZ everyone quite literally becomes a 1-dimensional parody of themselves.
How do I get to be as awesome as Kamina and Simon?
This is fascinating but this is a fun cherry on top of what is in the core of the story, and as you can see >>157441791 the core was muddled with unnecessary stuff.
That post is based on the wrongful assumption that the scissors are the equivalent of TTGL's drill, when clearly clothing and nudity are the leitmotif of the series from start to finish.
The missing half of the scissors isn't even ever associated with Satsuki outside of that specific scene, so I don't know where you got that impression.
I will be honest: I didn't remember a lot about scissors when i read that post, i was just reaching because stuff with clothes fell to grasp me. I guess it's stronger for nippons with their school uniform and suits for work but even there I don't think they are that fixated on clothes and how you transform while wearing them. Yes they are important and all but you are still you for the most part, whatever the clothes are.
Clothes rapresent status and adherence to social norms and expectations.
See the Mankashakus being corrupted by their wealth, everyone falling in line to obey Satsuki's new order, Junketsu that blatantly is a wedding dress and is imposed on Ryuko by her mother, etc.
Obviously it resonates more with japanese collectivist society where individuality and sticking out from the group are frowned upon, but some experiences are common to everyone.
Man, this makes me feel old. I remember the Gurren Lagann threads after the episodes aired, and how people kept shouting how "-GAR-" they were for the show. BRB, counting my grey hairs and squandered youth.
Yeah but the thing is, it's not that true. Drill is the truth, it's the truth of gl's world but it's also the truth of ours. believing and all that bullshit is important and does work, it won't be as flashy but small victories add up in one's life.
With all the clothes stuff it's not as true: ultimately we decide our behavior and even though in general you can make stereotypes about groups of people it's often falls when it comes to individuals, and individuals is where empathy lies.Basically there is a lot of bullshit in assumptions that clothes philosophers were making and there weren't nearly as much bullshit with drill, extreme exaggeration yes, but not bullshit.
I got one too!
Definitely worth it. It was the Anime that put me in the right tracks. It has a lot of meaning in my life. I rewatch it several times each year. If it wasn't for it I'd be much worse than now.
I mean, yes, Kamina died.
However, I remember this day fondly as the first day we were given the Giga Drill Breaker.
>been a couple of months since I've rewatched TTGL for the third or so time
>even so, when I watched this and remembered the whole scene with the music, for a moment, it seemed like it was about to rain inside my room
I still can't believe that someone actually made a rap mixed with classical song work AND give it a big emotional meaning.
I was kinda shocked at it because it all seemed so sudden and the episode ended without letting me absorb what just happened, but TTGL is still the only piece of media to make me cry like a bitch back when I watched Ep26 for the first time.
I actually first watched it with the
The fact that it had stylized fonts for the special moves, and that at some key moments the lyrics showed up in the upper part of the screen made it so much better for me than the current subs post-BD release.
The only limits you have are those that you set on yourself, and even if you start off weak and small, if you keep on struggling you'll eventually pierce the heavens. It's actually really good advice.
Use opera's built in vpn
but basically it's nothing special, just the alternative dimension stuff and helping nia stuff in russian. This particular part had a dub that worked out beautifully, would recommend to any ttgl connoisseur.
You're making confusion again.
Social pressure, conformism and classism are definitely real, and without a doubt you've experienced some yourself.
The positive message embodied by the drill in TTGL is akin in KLK to the conviction that people can overcome labels and assert their individuality by severing the "threads of fate" and choosing their own paths and their own clothing themselves, and that society prospers when no one stand above the others and differences are seen as a strength instead of a weakness.
Both have extremely similiar messages of self affirmation.
Have you checked out the lyrics to the rap and the classical work? They're actually like two different songs representing two different viewpoints, in conflict with one another.
The classical opera singer represents the old view of the world and the universe: you must submit to god, kneel and accept your fate. If it's been decided that your fate is destruction? All you can do is pray that it be merciful for you and yours, quick and painless. Her song is a weeping lament, a prayer, because she cannot dare challenge the order.
The rapper, of course, rejects this, and is the new view of the world: Fuck god, fuck destiny, fuck the powers that be: we make our own fate, and if anyone or anything wants to decide or destiny for us and/or destroy us, fuck that - we'll do whatever we can (and even whatever we can't) to fight it. His song is forceful and determined; a literal call to action to resist (if not a declaration of it) that shows no hesitation or doubt about the choice.
This clash of the two views, old and new, is further hammered in by the very style of the two singers. As the female singer represents the old way, she sings her verses in the 'old' style: operatic and in Latin. As the male singer is the new way, he sings in the much, much more modern form of rap (the form of singing/songwriting known for breaking the traditional 'rules' of music) and he sings it entirely in the much more accessible language of English.
The song is pretty much made of two literal opposites any way you look at them, that have been combined together to music-ize the very question of the show: when you're under someone else's authority, what do you do? Do you bend, submit, follow their will and pray the power shows mercy, or do you reject it, stand up, and fight? Cue the part of the song when the chorus shouts "Fight the power!" its loudest, at the exact moment Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagann emerges from the sea of despair.
I thought that the song represented the fight between humanity and the Anti-Spirals.
They all take their turns "fighting" and at around 3:00 it's like Humanity is finally fighting back.
Starting low then becoming stronger over the minutes until they finally overtake the opera singer and shouts "Row row fight the power" The opera singer "retreats" into the background, until they sing those precious words at the end, alone, victorious.
To be naked is to be vulnerable, such as how oppressed people feel. i think it was meant to be satirical and give a way for the viewer to connect but it just went over the top
>To be naked is to be vulnerable
That's what Ragyo thinks, the Nudists see it as a strength. Generally nudity means removing yourself from society, with its values and its structures.
Nothing is black or white, even clothes both give you power but at the same time make you lose control.
>Nia every where
What is this shit?
>which anime of getter robo is gurren ripping off?
None of them.
Kazuki Nakashima worked on the Getter Robo Saga manga series compilation, so this is where the influence comes from.
He was a fan of Ken Ishikawa, the creator of Getter.
Pfft old and busted.
Whatever happened to Gainax anyways? They haven't made anything original since...
It's time to celebrate brothers
The Kurogane no Linebarrel authors has a manga going called Getter Robo Devolution, and it's getting really good lately, since it's actually a meta take on the franchise, dealing with parallel universes and all, making even the spinoff ovas canon.
The guy who worked on it had financial problems and had to stop.
Not exactly. Shin Mazinger ZERO was about time loops, not parallel universes.
Anyone know which Requiem the operatic sections are lifted from, or was the tune an original composition for Gurren Lagann? (For anyone not in-loop, the Latin is a standard Catholic liturgy sung for the dead, usually at funerals or on All Soul's Day.) Cursory googling isn't offering answers, and I'm only familiar with the Fauré and Verdi versions, which this isn't.
I already knew that it was a sort of funeral song, but I never really thought about the symbolism behind it, that's pretty damn great.
One of the Parallel Works clips was about Lordgenome's life before he was subjugated by the Anti-Spirals. Other than that, nothing. I think they did confirm that the one general of his (the one who killed Kamina) was his version of Boota though.
I remember the month or so after the show finished, /a/ was awash with THEY GOT THE ENDING WRONG threads. There was a couple of anons who tried writing fanfic to make the end 'better', including one where the galaxy declares war on the gang for no reason other than 'we also didn't get the ending the intro promised'.
No idea about that, but back when Avatar originally ended, oh boy. Half the board was shipping wars about how the 'wrong ship' won, the other half was salty because the ending was actually kinda mediocre. It was fucking lunacy
Yeah, I honestly didn't go to /co/ until after all that blew over. I feel as though I missed a huge thing by a hair.
For real though, if you haven't seen the spoiler and don't care if you hear it:
The crux of the season is that Jack falls in love with an assassin sent to kill him after showing her the truth of the world and she sees the hope he has given the people of Aku's future. In the end it's revealed she's an indirect spawn of Aku, and once he confesses his love to her, she takes control of the powers she's unlocked and sends him to the past. Jack defeats Aku right after he was sent to the future in the Series Premiere, and immediately he and the girl get ready to be wed. She collapses in the aisle, and when asked what's wrong, she says "If Aku was killed now, how would I be born?" and disappears. The ending is Jack realizing that memories of his quest to prevent the future of Aku (and all the friends he made) are worth something, even if they're gone. A little more uplifiting, but basically the same ending.
I've never gotten around to watching Korra, but S3 of Avatar was one of the biggest let-downs I'd seen in years at that point, for reasons I won't go into here. Gurren Lagann, however, I felt that was the right ending. It wasn't the happiest, but it was the one that fit best.
Be glad, I used to be a /co/mrad back in the day and the endless whining went on for months. Sucked all the fun out of the place for the longest time.
It never gets old! AHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAAAAAAA FOOOOOOOL!!
>And Asuka and Rei where the archetypal examples of the character traits you said they were downgraded to
Not him, but this cannot be further from the truth. The archetype was only created as a result of people misinterpreting what the characters stood for. Asuka is in no way a tsundere in the original NGE+EoE. Rei has basically nothing in common with the kuudere archetype.
I liked it, but I have no idea who this "Kamina" is, they never mentioned him
Just wanted to pay my respects.
I can kinda forgive it being anti-climactic because that was Aku at his weakest. the portal was a last effort to save himself and then immediately comes out jack again taking a weak aku by surprise
As hard as Kamina's death hit me, Kittan's was the one that stuck with me even longer
I guess I'm just a sucker for those characters that are always in someone else's shadow up until the very end
More like Samurai Hack
the internet as a whole was way better 10 years ago, less ironic more IDGAF It's all fun mentality something you don't see this days, look at /b/, yes it has always been shit blah blah blah but when I started to come here 10-11 years ago there were legit funny and epic threads now look at /b/ now 90% of the board is just porn when it wasn't like that
internet culture as a whole has gotten shittier, either that or we oldfags have grown up and the oldfags when we were newfags are no longer with us and we are shit at OC and such
One more year! One more year!
Shit that actually made me cry.
Gendy planned to air it at this date the whole time.