And explain why.
Not realy need an explanation. Also Kaji cause he chill
Asuka because she is made for suffering
Ritsuko's a year older, but after that I think there's just Naoko.
Rei, because she develops positively as a character and is really thoughtprovoking with her existential dilemma. I cant resist the innate maturity and responsibility she shows in the story.
Gendo is unironically the coolest character, because he has a goal and a plan and will do whatever it takes to achieve it. That takes something extra. He also looked cool despite his clothes which would have looked stupid on anyone else.
Kaji, Maya, and Misato are the only decent characters, at least in the
if I had to pick one of them, I definitely go with Kaji since he's one my favorite anime archetypes
We should use these nicknames for the characters from now on.
Homo rapist best boy.
Kensuke just likes weapons. There is no indication of his having seen an anime.
Karl is for bullying. And then to tame him.
Kozo's great, but his involvement in the plot was over his jealousy for a woman he couldn't talk to.
Shinji is my favorite character. I love his development. The way he matures is truly beautiful, and he has such a strong will even though he has absolutely zero reasons to. I relate to him so much. His little bitch side that is.
None of Maya's scenes with sempai are in Rebuild. And it was all one-sided in the tv series, anyway.
And shinjey, reyman, baesato, best dad, kaji and of course the famous and popular Maya Ibuki.
In fact, none of Ritsuko's sexual element made it into Rebuild, it has none of the implications of a relationship with Gendo. No references anywhere to her mother, either.
I don't know that one. All I have are various stupid images I saved from my escapades looking at EVA doujins and panels and pages from RETAKE.
Sadistic ghost Real!Asuka is best girl.
>when you realize asuka is being cucked by asuka
Source of this.
Reality is at the end of your dream.
I have always related to Shinji, and I have always seen Shinji's flaws and his mistakes as a means for me to improve myself.
A lot of people Im friends with hate Shinji and call him a pussy but I always understood him well and I think he is very realistic and an accurate representantion of your average teen (altough his life is much more dramatic).
I love Kaworu and Kaiji too, as for the girls, Misato is the best with Rei being the cutest.
The thing i've quite recently realized with Shinji is that he is not weak, he never is, he always has plenty strength to resolve the situation, it's just that until the last second he doesn't try his hardest, and for that i somewhat resent him though i can totally sympathize with the character.
Indeed, he is quite strong to be honest.
He may "refuse" to pilot the Eva once in a while and get a bit depressive but the truth is, he ends up doing what he has to and he always pushes onwards.
In ep 4, Shinji even realizes how he was an idiot and apologizes to Toji and Kensuke even if he wasnt completely wrong.
Shinji DOES understand and take the guil that he has to carry, Shinji IS able to better himself slowly and stick to fighting the Angels even if he does it because otherwise he would have nothing and because he wants people's attention and to feel that he is needed.
All these flaws are extremely human, and Im sure some people who shit talk Shinji dont realize the situation he was in.
He just doesnt want to be alone, and I can forgive him for wanting to end it all, even if it was a bit drastic, I think it was necessary, even though he tried to strangle Asuka as soon as he broke free of the Instrumentality.
He was doing what he loved, thats the basic gist.
This is the realest thing to despise him for, that he pretends at weakness, disproves it, and returns to it again after.
Yeah, think of how Asuka must feel having devoted her entire life to piloting and then this annoying little cunt is better than her in literally everything without any training while still crying all the time and shit.
Rei by far OP. Beautiful, intelligent, strong, a literal goddess of self-improvement and understanding - all without being an exaggerated Mary Sue. That's an outstanding achievement and makes Rei a 10/10 character.
Not to mention she has similar self worth issues, albeit a bit more extreme than his.
I suppose. I watched the entire thing recently for the first time, and desu I didn't really see much of her other than in major plot points. Might need to go back and rewatch.
Qworu is funier to bully.
Karl is for flustering and confusing.
Kaworu, I think it's interesting that they don't make him the run of the mill alien boy who wants to be more human (like his manga version), humans fascinate him but there's some aspects of them he'll never understand.
And second Ritsuko, cool scientist lady.
Rei is just completely amazing in the original, she's an excellent anchor for multiple characters in the story. One interesting bit is to see how Rei handles contradictions in the beginning versus the end, a lot of Rei's growth comes from honest attempts at understanding others and herself, even if it hurts her. Rei is extremely important to the story because she practices many of it's principal messages since the beginning. That's why Rei is the one who "guides" people through their own therapy session.
Don't know about all that senpai. Maybe I just didn't see that all the first time? Don't know. I had no problem seeing everyone else's arcs. I guess I just don't feel the same way about her at the moment. I certainly don't dislike her, but she wasn't extremely noticeable on the first run through like other characters. Something about the versions of her dying and losing their memories kinda takes away some of the impact.
Karl wanted to understand humans and he was just a like little kid that was curious how humans work. And about the feelings, what does that matter how he got them? If he feels it, it's his feelings.
Fuck off and kill yourself, Karl is best boy and deserves the love that bitch Shaun couldn't give him.
My favorite character is Touji, for no other reason than the fact that he was a real bro the whole time. He might have been kind of a dick at the start but he became a real friend to Shinji.
Manga Kaworu and Shinji
Kaworu is all about acceptance. He accepted Shinji the way he is, he accepted his difference from humans and his fate.
He accepted molesting of old SEELE men.
He accepted Shinji's anger.
The only time he showed resolve was when he chose the way of his death.
He made fun of her for appearing interested, never came to any realization. If it helps, Hikari is a good enough girl to have stayed with an oblivious amputee athlete while he became bitter and mean.
You mean Rebuild? Hikari and Toji were practically cut from 2.0, the last scene either appears in is
Toji shielding Hikari from falling rubble (Asuka is given Toji's role as the test pilot so he never loses his leg)
I will never forgive Anno for letting Mari steal my girl's screen time
He could've lost a leg in other circumstances, you don't know.
how do the rebuilds even start?
Do they even give them a proper introduction? Do they even have their character arcs?
The only thing keeping Asuka from being the worst person on the face of the earth is that she has a reason and a character arc.
if anything we're discussing about the rebuilds here sounds good to you than go ahead.
If can mentally differentiate between the original series+EoE and think of the rebuilds as a completely different thing, than go ahead.
Not waifu fag, but asuka. She suffered a fucking lot. More screen time suffering than anyone else. She is fucking shattered and i love to pick appart her different breakdowns and try to pinpoint the motives.
Shinji shitty side was kept from the audience for far too long. Rei didnt have much screen time because the reasons of her existential crisis is spoiler heavy.
Tokyo-3 itself is more active and detailed, redesigned Angels look pretty good, computer screens have more on them. Half the Angels are gone, original Angels suck, character establishing scenes are gone, seiyuu returning to the same characters can still crush out nuance. Like Gendo in particular, Tachiki reads all his lines like he's lying to The Committee, that weird jocular tone he had with everybody else isn't in there.
Asuka did not suffer the most, not even close. She had the most comfortable time of the children. Didn't see Asuka get burned to death, dissolved into tang or stuck alone for hours on an end inside an otherdimensional monster.
This. Shinji is, unconciously or not, quite manipulative. He is desperate for praise and approval, and yet is afraid to make any decision by himself, he is utterly afraid of rejection. He dont want to make mental effort to help his friends. He wants whats good about relationships, but dont want the bad that comes along.
Thats why the ending is beautiful, he overcomes that and accept the suffering that comes with loving
Yeah, he lost his leg getting crushed.
Asuka got it easy only losing an eye in the rebuild.
>Also she's gotten her EVA's head and arms lobbed off multiple times.
Like everyone else.
>Still the most fucked out of all of the deaths.
Rei sacrificed herself, stood directly under Ramiel's laser and Shinji boiled alive, dissolved into tang and was inside Eva while it was on autopilot and killed his only friend.
We arent shown that getting tanged is painful at any moment. Besides she and shinji were in instrumentality, shinji in the sea od LCL and not solid.
Both of them got tanged off screen.
Exploding gotta suck but is probably less painful than getting thorn appart.
Not that it matters, eva is about mental suffering. Which we see asuka crashing hard.
I'm thinking of the one where Shinji is left inside Leliel to suffer in a deteriorating entry plug, thinking he'll suffocate alone and lonely for days.
>Exploding gotta suck but is probably less painful than getting thorn appart.
It was the EVA that was being torn apart, not Asuka herself, damage may transfer but not completly. Let's not forget that Rei's EVA is being physically corrupted at this stage, transferring the pain to Rei - not only that, it's Rei herself who physically is burned to death.
No one seriously thinks Asuka suffered the most, when she was easily the most well-treated and privileged of the children. Full set of parents, compared to nothing for Shinji and Rei. Where Asuka grew up believing she could be something, that never happened for Rei who had it beaten into her that she was worthless and replaceable. Shinji didn't have it as bad as Rei, but he was still abandoned by his father and set off with another person anyway.
You're not wrong.
But Asuka's deal is that she doesn't want people to think she's worthless and replacable too.
Which is why she can't stand that Shinji gets all the things she craves and still throws bitch fits about it.
Also having an angel with a live chorus shine its headlights into your head to make you relive your entire childhood again is pretty fucked up.
It's probably one of the cruelest things I've seen in a long time to be honest.
I'm not gonna sit and argue the minimal points of who suffered more and why that makes them either a better or worse character specifically because I don't care. I like them all and I think each of their arcs are interesting enough in their own ways. I just happen to understand Asuka's more. All it really is at the end of the day.
>Also having an angel with a live chorus shine its headlights into your head to make you relive your entire childhood again is pretty fucked up.
>It's probably one of the cruelest things I've seen in a long time to be honest.
It was just the truth. It's not cruel to tell people who need to hear the truth, the truth.
>I'm not gonna sit and argue the minimal points of who suffered more and why that makes them either a better or worse character specifically because I don't care.
The points are not minimal, the characters are made to suffer, some more than others, coincidentally Asuka is put through the least suffering. Even if you think otherwise, we can debate it rationally, and I will claim that our mutual conclusion should be that Asuka didn't suffer as much as the other two in her life.
The difference is that Asuka is a spoiled brat who is narratively the equivalent of an escapist otaku. She denies reality in favor of fantasy. Where Shinji and Rei go through worse things, they deal with it differently because they are stronger. They are the "cinderella" to Asuka's "evil stepsister". Like the evil stepsister, Asuka is also pecked to death by birds.
You most be really dumb if you honestly believe half of the shit you said, or really sad if you convinced yourself about it.
Asuka had a crazy suicidal mother and a a father that abandoned both for some nurse pussy.
Also we are never shown rei being "hammered" she is replaceable. If anything gendo does like her in his terrible father ways. Her existential crisis came from the circunstances she went through, not indocrination. She literaly died and woke up another day, with screwed up memories and personality, probably without understanding how or why. This gotta shake the head of anyone in the same position. Her fears and doubts are personal.
You're obviously just a butthurt Asukafag though. Remember the scene where Rei is literally choked to death while being told she's replaceable? Where she lives in a dark, damp basement underground surrounded with lab equipment and concrete? Don't you at all remember that Rei keeps repeating that she's replaceable, and don't you think there's a reason for that?
Rei's fears and doubts are personal, but you'd be a damned idiot if you don't think NERV personnel didn't do their part in imprinting her with those thoughts. The thing is, that Rei here demonstrates taking a bit of sad and disturbing self-exposing information and actually spins it around to something productive. Rei isn't exactly sad she's replaceable, she uses it to her own advantage. Of course it's taken a toll on her will to live, however.
that isn't being manipulative, that's being a good father.
I like the "duuuurrr" guy because he plays guitar on the streets in his free time and he was the only one in third impact that didn't want to get tanged. Everyone else just accepted it as soon as they saw their crush making out with them, but that guy wasn't having that shit. It took like 10 Reis cornering him under a desk before he tanged. Keep rockin dude
>"go out there and kill yourself, son!"
Asuka, because she's vibrant and full of
life. Her presence keeps the show from dropping into a full blown suicidal depression spiral until she's gone.
Shinji reminds me of myself too much, and Misato is fantastic at every point in her emotional spectrum.
It's very strongly implied that he and his father are very much alike, and Shinji could've easily become him. Yui calls him out on this during Instrumentality: "Did you try to understand others?" He's so concerned with his problems and his needs that he completely ignores a desperate Asuka doing everything she can to earn his love and affection.
>"Did you try to understand others?"
That was Rei, Yui didn't challenge Shinji on anything. She had a preferred outcome but was fine with whatever he decided.
Kaworu used hostages to leverage an assisted suicide that benefited nobody.
Kaworu because he made me realize I was gay.
Also Akira Ishida's voice can give me a boner for fucking hours.
>He's so concerned with his problems and his needs that he completely ignores a desperate Asuka doing everything she can to earn his love and affection.
Let's be fair: it's not like she's sending a clear message. Combine that with your average fourteen year old boy's capacity to pick up on "she's totally in to you (which she wasn't, or else there wouldn't have been a communication issue)", and you have a massive amount of space for the messages to not get across.
According to Sadamoto, quite a few.
I'm not saying she was prefect, but the coffee scene illustrates their relationship perfectly: they're both grieving and he's screaming for her to help him. He did the same thing when she was in the hospital, which is how he rolled her over to begin with.
Shinji offered all the empathy in the world to Rei and almost none to Asuka.
>all these old men lusting after a teenage angel boipucci
Humans are nothing if not capricious and emotional.
She did kinda cut him off emotionally and physically at several points. And was a massive bitch for a good while. So sue him if he doesn't want to put up with her shit sometimes. Still, if either had properly reached out at any point, maybe things would not have gotten so fucked between them.
She USUALLY isnt sending him a clear message. Sure.
But then theres the kiss scene. He didnt need to "get" anything at that moment. All he needed to to is to show affection, follow his fucking instinct, and yet he didnt.
Because in the end of the day, he he was the one not trying to understand the others and blaming them for not loving him above anything else.
Funny that you bring up the kiss scene, but if you got coerced into that, after an emotionally draining day, and then she keeps you from breathing, what would you do? Not saying that it was the best choices, but did you really expect things to go different? They're a couple of depressed, insecure kids who in the end can't decide if they want to fuck or strangle each other.
desu gotta put in perspective what it would take for a kid who's a little pussy and is afraid of this chick to make him snap and start choking her out
That did happen by the way, right? That wasn't just in one of his dream things?
It's because Rei is a naturally sympathetic character whereas on the surface, Asuka is tough and confident. He doesn't Asuka wants and needs him. Also Rei subconsciously reminds him of his mother.
Huh. I guess I'm wrong. Are we sure it's not Yui using the forms of the women in his life? She did that a few times throughout the series.
I don't have the videos in front of me at the moment, so that's a serious question.
Again, I'm not defending Asuka, I'm just pointing out where Shinji failed. She wasn't clear at all and I understand why he misunderstood, but the fact remains that he didn't even try.
>desu gotta put in perspective what it would take for a kid who's a little pussy and is afraid of this chick to make him snap and start choking her out
given the number of people who have done just that in human history, not as much as you might think.
It's Rei, and Rei wasn't Yui's clone in NGE. Yui doesn't really get a speaking role in NGE's finale, but in EoE she does, although she only repeats what other characters said.
>Huh. I guess I'm wrong. Are we sure it's not Yui using the forms of the women in his life? She did that a few times throughout the series.
No, Yui never did anything. She's stuck inside EVA01 forever.
She's a retard that's trapped forever inside EVA01.
>BUT SHE GOT WHAT SHE WANTED
When you set your standards so low they're right next to dinosaur bones, achieving them is no longer a victory.
Shinji has all the rights in the world to not like her. You cant be forced to love someone. Thats totaly understandable.
But he clearly say on EoE that its the girls fault for being unclear, while it wasnt.
And that's the crux of the show: If you can't communicate, then you have a very small chance of happiness.
He has crippling depression, to the degree he doesn't think killing himself is worth the effort involved. Cut him some slack.
Its been a while since i watched but i dont remind anything sexual from the time they were tanged into 01.
I get the oedipus undertones from the series but i dont remind it crossing to that point.
Shit, if you want to read it like that this is the gentle mind rape. That worked.
Shit, i forgot that happened? Was it yui offering release from that shitshow for shinji? Thats a very weird situation.
And the first time shinji rejected losing his own form in exchange for "peace"
>Rei is thinner than asuka
I guess? If she just wanted him restored this wouldn't be happening at all, right? And she's won, NERV's failed and can't restore his spilled tang, so nothing could stop her if she just wanted to keep him. This not being for her makes sense.
I actually don't have a favorite lilin because they're all fascinating and worthy of interest/attachment from my perspective.
For my own convenience I'm lumping Kaworu in with the humans because he is shaped like one.I do have a contender for best Angel, though. The purity of the design! The indefatigable fighting spirit! The complete inscrutability! Budget Angel best Angel. (Except for the part where the drill spins the wrong way. That bothers me every damned time.)
>the drill spins the wrong way
I wish I never read that. Now I'm going to notice it every rewatch.
>implying the d8 of doom has a gender
>implying the d8 of doom is not best girl
>can fire fucking particle beam canons that vaporize city skylines and mountains in an instant
>uses a comically over-sized drill to bore a hole to NERV before firing at them underground
Was this plot device 101? I loved Ramiel either way though, especially in the rebuild. The concept of a giant malicious polygon always fascinated me.
maybe it didn't want to blow up whatever was down there
Still the specific reasoning of why it's a fucking drill and the implication that it wouldn't even be able to fit down there makes no sense.
>he completely ignores a desperate Asuka doing everything she can to earn his love and affection
If Shinji did this to Asuka people would be railing him for being Elliott Rodger incarnate feeling entitled to sex and love, but for some reason when women act desperate it's ALWAYS the job of the male to pick up on those signals and reciprocate, lest he be "dense" or "too full of himself". Right.
Budget Angel also has an off-model AT Field (hexagonal rather than octagonal). And yet we still love it.
Was that reply meant for me? >>157386594
You could be right though, I forgot the Angels were always after Lilith, not just trying to take out NERV and rule the world by themselves.
I don't recall the angels ever trying to cause more damage than necessary.
They just wanted to go back to their mommy but the lilin scum wouldn't let them.
The rebuild Ramiel also had "off model" AT fields though, and he/she/it was loaded with budget and CGI that time.
Interesting, so that part would seem to be deliberate. (Geometric Angel gets especially alien geometries?)
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they corrected the drilling direction in Rebuild. So there's that at least.
The Shinji Ikari Raising Project - Vol. 9 - Extra Stage 01 - p.157
I had the whole thing on Mega, but someone apparently guessed my password and deleted it. Oh well.
It's hard to say if that one was deliberate or budget friendly in the original. The rebuild felt deliberate because it matched the particular Angel's style of fighting with shape shifting abilities.
I got the implication she was afraid of Eva-01. She fired on a parade float on the other side of the lake for pointing a gun shape. She didn't want to fire with that beast out of view and chance it springing on her between charges.
Don't forget Armisael, Rei chats with it for awhile before taking it down with her. It interprets separation as pain which pretty effectively foreshadows the alleged pros of being Tanged.
Kaji. Only person I could possible relate with. Also because he gets to bone Misato
not that anon but that sucks.
also humorous eva doujins are the best.
Live their lives, nigga.
Qt angles does qt things spinoff when, Anno?
Well the funny thing is he left a little blackmail note begging for bitcoin.
Like I give a shit if people know I listen to Eurobeat and watch NGE. I think I lost some family photos, but there wasn't anything risque and everything on that account should just be a backup.
And yeah, SIRP is great.
It's an AU man. Asuka's mom and Yui are alive and well. Think of it as though this is what they'd look like if they didn't have to be ultra-fit in a post-apocalyptic world.
I'm not convinced they know. When they communicate, if that's what's happening, they don't have a lot of self to contribute. They talk in things the Children already know but deny. Leliel seems the most advanced, or the dialogue is at least the most complicated, and never gets to any real agenda.
It was published here by Dark Horse, so no. There's nipples later on though (just a few pages in fact), but I don't trust the mods to not ban me.
I might make an /e/ thread about it.
A cute Angel with acute angles.
It's an adaptation of the game.
Pretty much this. It's a SoL comedy that really emphasizes on the fanservice.
>SoL comedy that emphasizes on the fanservice
Ohh no.. anon no.. I don't want to hear about this. I will get very upset.
I wish to stop this discussion. I honestly can't into EVA fanservice. I think I like it too much for that
Not a straight adaptation of that, either, though. There are still Evas and Angels in the game, you can still get to Third Impact.
See, I thought it was to grow a beam weapon to keep those planes from dropping any more bombs.
>Drop one N2 mine
>Actually go through the AT field, damaging the angel, destroying 18% of it
>"Well we give up, now the fate of the world is on the hands of a pussy or a dying girl"
>"Lets undo its AT field with 2 evas AND launch 998 n2 mines at it. That should do the trick"
Talk about escalating.
Shut up and enjoy your fun.
I honestly don't know.
That's because Leliel was an abnormal angel, it's AT Field pointed inward and it's body was only 3 nanometers thick, and that probably wouldn't have worked anyways they were just completely out of options.
Under the AT fields they are rather quite weak. They eyes one died with normal artillery fire. 998 n2s would kill it if they hit the body.
On the other hand, the at field was keeping it compressed. Who knows what would have happened without it. Maybe it would spread everywhere and eat everyone?
It depends on the Angel, Rei pierced through Zeruel's AT Field with the N2 mine before detonating it and it did no damage to it. The goal of that operation was to negate the AT Field so they could drop the 990 N2 mines inside the other dimension that Shinji was in and destroy the entire dimension along with the Angel.
I think I relate most to and empathize most with Asuka.
It isn't the worst. It might have more going on than Rei's game. It's the source of some funny images you've likely seen but you have to put up with this art.
>In that she had Lilith's soul. Her physical body was made from Yui's DNA.
Rei has Lilith's soul as well, but that has nothing to do with genetics. Rei's physical body is half Yui half Angel. Rei may look like Yui, but there are some differences, like the blue hair, red eyes, pale complexion and angel abilities like levitation, generating AT-fields and so on. Only in Khara's works is Rei actually a clone. Keep Rebuild separate from NGE.
Yep, it's fanwank all right. There's no thought from Yui, nor intent to "test" Shinji. What's the motif here for her to do so anyway?
I never actually though about that, i always though the red eyes and weird hair color was a cloning side effect, but karowu had the same things and we never had any confirmation he was a clone.
Plus if you want to start reaching, shinji eyes went red when he was "ascending" in Rebuild.
Can rei actually have angel dna?
DNA doesn't work that way. Neither Rei or Kaworu were mentioned to be clones in NGE, and Rebuild canon doesn't matter for Rebuild. It's a different story.
>Can rei actually have angel dna?
There's no way for her to show these differences or have these abilities without. Sadamoto explains she's 50% Yui and 50% Angel.
Not him, but i dont think Yui was testing him. If anything, i think maybe she was giving him a chance to give up and rest after all he been through. Maybe she thought that only rei and asuka (and both souls in 01) would *probably* be enough to trigger instrumentality anyway.
Every single move she made in the series was to ensure Instrumentality happened on her own terms. She needed Shinji to reject it and let everyone live as opposed to SEELE or Gendo's plan to fuck everyone over.
Well Sadamoto said Rei has Yui's DNA; i.e. a clone
>Sadamoto: I think, if you take Asuka as being, for Shinji, a symbol of the longed-for opposite sex, Rei is "maternal." For one, it seems like she has the genetic material of Shinji's mother. For myself, if I am asked who between Asuka and Rei I like more, it is probably because somewhere in Rei there is something motherly, and when Shinji looks disheartened she "scolds" him ever so softly. Rei asks Shinji, "Are you running away again?" Quite often she says harsh things that really get down to the point. It would be ideal if a friend of his would say it, but for some reason that doesn't happen. That [action of Rei's] is because a mother will absolutely not abandon her child. I think that, for Shinji, Rei is that sort of motherly existence.
>DNA doesn't work that way
And people dont juice up when they lose the borders of one self. EVA biology is very odd and somewhat spiritual.
Also, rei is shown clearly as a clone, there is a whole tank of her on the basement. They just never bothered to say of who, assuming the viewer has 2 or more working brain cells and could guess who she was cloned from.
but the series doesn't need any more romantic interests.
does she have any crippling personal issues?
does she want to kill herself? Surely she has something appealing about her
>Every single move she made in the series was to ensure Instrumentality happened on her own terms
I agree with you, but she certainly had to make the plan along the way as it went. Not everything was under her control.
I think, or at least believe she thought that she *probably* could do it with shinji inside the eva instead of piloting.
>Rei has Lilith's soul as well, but that has nothing to do with genetics. Rei's physical body is half Yui half Angel. Rei may look like Yui, but there are some differences, like the blue hair, red eyes, pale complexion and angel abilities like levitation, generating AT-fields and so on.
That's a good point. I want to say they said she was a clone in the commentaries and interviews, but I can't find anything on it. Maybe I'm just having a stroke.
Thats not an argument though. You cant just say he's wrong. The story backs Sadamoto up on this one too.
You also have your mothers DNA. Does not make you a clone. Unless there is an explicit use of the word in NGE it is best to go woth occams Razor and accept what the story tells us.
Just because I have my mothers DNA doesn't make me some "maternal" existence that Sadamoto states her as.
Rei is supposed to be a clear link to Yui. If not an exact clone, then pretty fucking close.
People can juice up when stimulated. Not as elegantly as i NGE perhaps, but biomass can be broken down through maby methods including acid or some other solvent.
Rei may be a clone, but she isnt one of Yui. Itd be impossible and if one of the authors explains she is at most 50%, there is no reason to believe otherwise if you have two braincells or more.
The story tells us that Rei has superhuman ability and non-human features. She has features expressed by both Angels and Humans, which makes it clear that she cannot be either in full. Occams Razor dictates we should assume the least complicated option, which means Rei is not a clone of Yui. Otherwise we would have to explain why Rei does not exhibit the characteristics of a human like Yui and the rest does.
It means you were made from your mothers DNA though, which is the point. The interview does not mean what you think it does.
In the good version of her own game, sure. She's a fucking spy. A child soldier from a secret project of the JSSDF's to make their own mecha for a war they're predicting in a few years, sent to approach Shinji and get information about Nerv and Evas. Maybe she fell in love, maybe she used Shinji to escape the military.
I know thats a gross simplification, but you dont need to be 50-50 to have differences differences. I mean, all humans are like, 99.9% similar to each other on a dna scale.
Rei has strong link to yui, which was certainly the "base" and some angel magic spliced here and there.
If you dont like the word clone as it implies 100% exact match, sure you have your point, but saying only 50% is silly.
I have a weid headcanon for this scene. They are pretty much "ethereal" that scene, and they cant actually interact with each other, even in that position.
As shinji talks about rejecting instrumentality, he actually touches rei hand in the very end, which can only be possible thanks to the AT fields making them individual beings, which goes along with all the rest of the ending.
There was a tripfag I haven't seen in years who always had a status on how many of Jake's Snakes they'd removed. Up to now I didn't know who Jake was or why he had Snakes let alone why they needed to go.
It ws Sadamoto who said that, and its the basis for human reproduction as well. The thing is, Rei was never referred to as a clone of Yui in the series, so why should we? Ultimately it is just spreading a lie.
I think this is the most reasonable interpretation actually, but between all of the sexual imagery, plus all of the Freudian influence and parallels between Oedipus I wouldn't put it past Anno for them to have actually fucked
Anno: Yes. It's a story of the Oedipus Complex, where one kills one's father and violates one's mother. However, when I started [Eva], I thought the same [way]. Because it [was] a story where Shinji kills his father and steals his mother from him.
Takekuma: A mother who has become a giant (laughs).
Anno: There was this replacement by a robot, so the original mother is the robot, but then there is a mother of the same age, Rei Ayanami, by [Shinji's] side. [She is] also by the side of the real father. There is also another father there, Adam, who governs the overall course of events. An Oedipus Complex within these multiple structures; that's what I wanted to do.
It makes perfect sense. The prevailing method of cloning or creating biological beings in EVA is through using Adam, with the exception of EVA01 who was the end of the story revealed to be made from Lilith instead.
Dont be mad your fanon does not add up now.
Precisely. Rei being made from Adam in NGE makes perfect sense, seeing as Rei mentions Adam in her monologue, and the creation of people using Adam. Originally, Lilith was actually Adam in NGE before that got changed in episode 24, and now Rei being tied with the Adam project and stabbing what was at the time, Adam, starts making sense.
Stop being mad your fanon does not make sense. What Sadamoto suggests adds up perfectly, it only erases your pov (which never made sense in the first place) do you get upset. Learn to embrace Evangelion instead of trying to spin it.
why is asuka causing a hold up?
also one of my favorite panels
what would happen if misato had to be the bad guy
You're not the first apparently.
On my autismo theory chart that's one of the theories
The immediate regeneration after the spear was removed and not in the 10 years without it makes more sense, too, if it was supposed to have been the embryo cultivated to that stage and then arrested instead of being there all along.
This is the only Eva theory to have made Anno angry.
Right, I don't think she did now. But it made sense. Misato's a cold blooded soldier who makes hard choices when she absolutely has to. At the time, I wondered if she was forced into it.
>Adam had Evangelion armor on and they wanted a 14 year old girl there.
>Reifag's thread-derailing shitposts get deleted again
Its EoE. Its the first of I think 4 scenes with Asuka and Shinji inside instrumentality, this being the first, where Shinji seems to completely understand Asuka, while the fourth scene is the infamous coffee pot + strangling scene
This Bologna Pony Jabroni
I thought it was Gendo
no offence, but if you think a character madly in love with someone could be made to kill them, youve got autism
no really liek you might have autism, you cant kill someone you love, no. matter. what.
Rei is Yui's hardware (body)
Rei's mind is literally that of Lillith
Seriously, when are you retards going to realise the Rei is Jesus?
Thats why Lillith is on the cross as symbolism, Rei is god experiencing human life.
Hence why she says "im home" when she retruns to lillth
>Help, police? I've been trolled.
not literally you moron, figuratively she is jesus
>Lilith isnt in the bible at all.
Pick up a fucking bible sometime.
I wish rei and asuka had a more developed friendship
>In Hebrew-language texts, the term lilith or lilit (translated as "night creatures", "night monster", "night hag", or "screech owl") first occurs in a list of animals in Isaiah 34:14, either in singular or plural form according to variations in the earliest manuscripts. In the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q510-511, the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear
>The only occurrence [of the word lilith in the Bible] is in the Book of Isaiah 34:14, describing the desolation of Edom, where the Hebrew word lilit (or lilith) appears in a list of eight unclean animals, some of which may have demonic associations.
She isnt given any role or explanation in any of the "official" views of the abrahamic religions, being backed by what is considered folks tales.
>Shinji´s Annos self insert
Huh, everybody knows that. He explicitely said it in an interview.
Interesting thought, though not very probable.
>Axis won WW2
Considering Germanys important role in NGE, very likely.
>Hikari is best girl
Nice, no issues, cooks well, is loyal and sweet. What´s not to like?
>Keel=The Wandering Jew
Yup, somewhat obvious.
>It was all a dream/Psaychatric Institution
Literally Babbys First Fantheory
Hmmm, could be, very interesting theory. But SK is a warrior scientist, and the classic honorable antagonist. Shinji is a troubled insecure young man whose ony talents are playing cello and riding his mommy.
I think it´s just because TTGL copied so fucking much from NGE, including the AU in the second last ep.
No it made sense. They were polar opposites who literally had nothing in common
Spiral King is an AU Gendo Ikari
>I think it´s just because TTGL copied so fucking much from NGE, including the AU in the second last ep
Those even dream sequences were completely different
Can you even name another key plot point it coppied?
Lilith is the woman mentioned next to adam in the first version of Genesis in Genesis 1:26-27.
Eve is the woman mentioned to be created some time later after adam in the second version of Genesis starting from 8:1.
Just because she is not specifically given a name in the bible outside of a few verses doesn't mean she wasn't a thing.
Rei has a fair share of "jesus" symbolism, but personally, I believe it's mostly coincidental and simply a fun fact. But Rei isn't Yui's hardware, she's mixed up with angel hardware and human hardware, where Yui provides the human components.
>If she was made from Adam, why did Gendo even bother with stealing and absorbing his fetus-self?
Because he planned to use it for himself? They already have EVA00 and EVA02 which are also made from Adam.
>Just because they are different they cant be friends.
The only time asuka shown to be jealous of rei was when she tried to dance with shinji. Rei had almost no view of asuka.
Their relationship should have been explored a litte. If i were to give eva some extra chapters, it would be during the "happier parts" (between ramiel and leliel). Giving them some glimpse of happiness make the fall even more painful
But Gendo only needed to merge a Lilith-based life form and Adam-based life form together, making them form the forbidden union.
If Rei really was made from Adam he could have just used her, but he didn't.
It makes no sense for her to be made from him.
She's Yui and Lilith.
I always go with death of the author whenever i see anything remotely controvertial outside the original works. And i think thats what anno wants. He refused to explain stuff several times for the viewer to make his own conclusions.