Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion

>>157278297
Kaworu wasn't an option. Asuka was most compatible to him.

He didn't revive anyone.

>>157278297
He didn't revive anyone. Asuka revived herself through her own will. Even if Instrumentality had been applicable to Kaworu, Misato points out that he had no will to live.

>>157278352
Please.

>>157278297
OP don't even bother asking questions about this ending. No one knows what it means. It's complete nonsense with no meaning other than to look deeper than it is.

>>157278297
Whether people came back or not after Instrumentality was down to whether they had the will to live or were more content living painlessly as a sea of Kool-Aid.

>>157278827
This anon's questions were spelled out explicitly right in the movie's text, you idiot. It's stated directly that anyone with the will to come out of the sea will do so. When was the last time you watched it? Did you even?

>>157278827
Shinji's decision not to end the world and to keep living in spite of the pain of life resolves one of the series's major questions

There is a lot of pointless weird shit though

>>157278849
If that were true how come it's just Asuka and Shinji on the shore? Shouldn't there be lots of people? Shinji has more of a will to live than the rest of humanity? What a joke.

>>157278857
We saw like ten feet of beach, they won't all necessarily spawn at Shinji's choke party

>>157278857
He has. Instrumentality allowed him to change his mind. Asuka too.
He was not the one who revive her, she came out of her own

>>157278857
He freely decided to live when presented with a painless, guilt-free end to his existence, that's got to say something about his will to survive.

>>157278857
It's also stated that this will happen over time.
Please. Please, I implore you, watch shit before you try to answer questions about it.

>>157278897
It's a shame neither of the literal two people Shinji had a not-fucked up dynamic with wanted to come back. There's no way he can be happy with Asuka.

>>157278857
Over time many will, but not just there. It could take decades or even centuries for the consciousness of a single person to decide it wants to live in a mortal coil. People will be randomly crawling out of that Tang ocean for generations. Many never will.

>>157278927
>There's no way he can be happy with Asuka.
I think so too, but I also think we're supposed to feel more optimistic about it.
Or, I guess, that life is still worthwhile even despite that inevitable pain.

>>157278927
Other people will come back on their own.

>>157278927
>There's no way he can be happy with Asuka.
Maybe you couldn't be happy with Asuka.

>>157278950
What I feel about this ending, and why I like it, is because there is actual hope now. Shinji is a wretched, traumatized mess, but he CHOSE to live. His life is abysmal, but there is just the faintest possibility that someday, things will be okay again.

(re: asuka they'll never get along but i think theyll end up sort of alright with each other)

>>157279006
Can you see Kaworu or Rei having much of a will to live
If Kaworu is even in there

>>157279036
And nor can Shinji.

>>157279039
Yes. It's equal parts exasperating and inspiring to me.

>>157279096
The only person who could be happy with Asuka is Mari
Everyone else just gets sick of being bitched at

>>157279166
Kensuke could take it. In fact, Touji could probably hold his own, but they would end up with a truly horrible Everybody Loves Raymond tier relationship.

>>157278927
>There's no way he can be happy with Asuka.
I don't agree with that.

Their biggest problem is that they have the communication skills of Helen Keller. Asuka doesn't just want validation - she wants to be loved for who she is. Shinji just wants someone who will never leave him. Shinji is always there for people, he's just scared of Asuka since he's confused by her and she confuses his trepidation with lack of interest. If you count the Rebuilds then these characterizations get even stronger, as he sincerely praises Rei and Asuka and she obviously waits for him after fourteen years and an apocalypse he triggered.

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Shinji didn't revive anyone

Asuka rejected instrumentality on her own.

why did Asuka say 'how disgusting'?

>>157279192
Toji and Asuka were together in that alternate-dimension - they both had an empty relationship that focused entirely on sex.

>>157279192
That would be fucking abysmal and they would physically fist fight once a week but I'd watch a movie about it

you know there's a live action deleted scene from EoE in which they're canonically dancing the meatspin tango

>>157278927
Everyone else comes back eventually. He just has to wait until they do and refrain from choking the poor girl.

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>>157279261
>>Everyone else comes back eventually.

implying any of us would lol

The most mysterious thing about Eva is that hentai ova.

>>157279250
She dislikes bathing in the water other people bath in too. The sea of LCL felt gross for her.

>>157279250
Literally no in-series reason, but its allegedly what her VA said when Anno asked for her reaction to the coma scene

So I guess that kind of implies an in-series reason, which is that she's somehow aware that Shinji beat off on her comatose chest

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>instrumentality happens
>reifags shits get to be fused with their waifu for all eternity
>embrace it
>asukafags and other reasonable people get out
>world becomes a perfect place

SASUGA ANNO

THE MASTER

>>157279266
Evangelion population is not the faggots from /a/

>>157279218
Shikinami is a very different character from Soryu; I don't think Shikinami's characterization adds to Soryu's at all.
Asuka and Shinji consistently bring out the worst in each other. Each of their neuroses clash in a way not dissimilar to a bad chemical reaction.
Asuka is disgusted with Shinji and she is disgusted with herself. She is strong-willed, but a strong-willed person full of loathing makes that loathing really strong, too. She pushes that loathing out externally. Lashing out at other people is her own form of self harm, because harming others ends up bringing herself more misery. Shinji, meanwhile, cuts out the middleman, and internalizes his own loathing so that he can harm himself directly. When Shinji and Asuka meet, these traits feed into each other more and more and more.
Sure, they could work through it. Therapy at length and all that. But that's not exactly the basis of a healthy relationship, and I foresee it breeding resentment before it breeds happiness.

>>157279270
WHICH I CAN'T FUCKING FIND ONLINE.

FUCK. I SAW IT IN AMV HELL 2 AND I CAN'T FIND IT.

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>>157279251
>>157279258
I know.

>>157279218
Huh. Yeah, I guess it's true that they could potentially be good together, but I don't think it bodes well for their communications skills that Shinji was last seen throttling her to try and get a response.

Ah, so the reason he chokes her is because he's pissed she came to fuck him his world again?

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>>157278297
Kaworu isn't even dead, so how could he be revived?

>>157279298
>Shikinami is a very different character from Soryu; I don't think Shikinami's characterization adds to Soryu's at all.
I'm of the personal opinion that the rebuilds are some kind of sequel (how and why I don't understand yet), but even still, remakes and alternate-universes are fantastic ways to understand the core of a character.

Think of it like this, what makes Peter Parker a hero? Is it the powers? The gadgets? No, it's what's inside his heart. That's why every What If? has him rising to the occasion.

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>>157279353
>tfw no titanic primordial gf

>>157279334
He wouldn't have stopped if that was the case.

>>157279365
They are a sequel, but Shikinami has marked differences from Soryu's core--the dolls, yeah, but also her complete disinterest in proving herself as an adult woman by seeking Kaji's attention and validation, which I feel is a defining characteristic of Soryu Asuka Langley. Although the Rebuilds are sequels, it's more like Kaworu's journey through alternate continuities than the cast's journey.

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>>157279380
I want to marry Kaworu Nagisa.
I want to start a piano-cello group with him and sell our CDs in a shoddy alleyway in London.

>>157279365
I'm pretty sure Shikanami is to Asuka what Rei-Q is to Rei - basically the same character, but more so. More militant, more bitter, more angry. However, I think this is because of her alternate life and being in total like thirty years old or something. I think she's Asuka, just under worse circumstances, and so her personality can tell us things about the original.

>>157279427
>Kaworu Nagisa
That's his FULL name? Fuck, and here I thought his name was already cutesy, but it's also NAGISA?!
No wonder Shinji was gay for him.

I really should rewatch the last few episodes. I don't even remember what happened to Kaworu.

>>157279484
Nagisa dies. Just like CLANNAD.

>>157279484
I wonder how he chose his name. Does he know it's cute?

>>157279484
How do you not remember what happened in what has been repeatedly cited as one of the most memorable episodes in the entire anime?

>>157279503
Nagisa Kaworu means "Fragrance of the seashore" in Japanese.
Which is why he meets Shinji on a seashore.

Sasuga Anno, so deep!

>>157279484
>>157279503
I have to say, it is charming that Karl gets called Nagisa all the way through.

>>157279484
IF YOU LIKE HIM MAYBE DON'T DO THAT

>>157279502
>>157279513
More like the LEADUP. Like I can't remember why they let this guy wander around NERV. Yea, I remember him being squished. It's probably the best scenes of Evangelion.

>>157279502
Fuck you nigger, I haven't finished clannad yet

>>157279519
Deep like he and Sadamoto want to be in Kaworu.

>>157279544
Dude, he gets like ten minutes of screentime. It's not that much to remember.

>>157279553
It's not gay if it's an angel according to ancient greece.

>>157279544
They let him in because he's the Fifth Child. He's supposed to pilot Eva with then and shit but he died too quick.

>>157279567
ancient Greece never gave a fuck anot whether it was gay or not and you know it

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>>157278297
Man all the sexual references in here. Was the message of this just to tell you to "Go get some sex" before you become to self reflective?

>>157279634
Nah. Sex in Eva isn't presented as inherently good or bad, and is a negative influence more often than not.

>>157279634
Sex is another form of communication, and of course it's a form of intimacy, both of which are presented as defining struggles in the series. Of course it's going to be a theme.

>>157279310
>>157279270
Go to this video https://youtu.be/9_GlarsuReo n check the comment for google drive link.youre welcome

>>157279680
Anno doesn't help the birth rate at this point with this and the gay agenda.

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>>157280116
Anno wants the Japanese people to die out, it's his revenge.

>>157278908
It's a valid question, why are Shinji and Asuka first? It screams of asspull.

>>157280964
After all this time you don't get Shinji and Asuka are supposed to be very similar? They both figured it was better to live
It's not that deep son

>>157280964
This >>157280989 basically. It even shines light on the fact that Misato hasn't resurfaced, so it's not like it's negligent to other characters. It's just thematic.

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>>157280964
But they aren't. There's people coming out through many bodies of water all over the world, we only see one small beach in Japan. Which is exactly near where Asuka and Shinji "died".
And Asuka comes out roughly 2 weeks after Shinji did.

>>157279245
so are they the only two people who aren't LCL goop now?

>>157279284
Considering asuka's character you think she'd be flattered.

>>157281529
Don't be blindly insulting if you're not going to actually contribute to discussion. The bathwater scene alone shoots that down. Not every thread requires shitposting.

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>>157278827
>>157278827

>>157281271
>And Asuka comes out roughly 2 weeks after Shinji did.
based on what?
>>157281271
>Which is exactly near where Asuka and Shinji "died".
why should that matter? I am pretty sure the liquid nature of tang means it gets all mixed up and everywhere, much like human thought/emotion via instrumentality. Besides, Shinji "died" in space.

>>157281497
They're the only two we've seen, but that doesn't mean there aren't others.

>>157281639
I don't know about two weeks, but she came out later than him for sure (if you assume the last scene of them on the beach is immediately after she appears, which most people do). Shinji had time to set up grave markers and stuff.

>>157281497
see >>157281271

>>157281639
>based on what?
Based on Shinji having enough time to put up grave markers, and Misato's cross forming rust before Asuka appeared.

>why should that matter?
It just makes more sense that they would show up there when that's where they entered instrumentality.
>Shinji "died" in space
No, he was really really high up in the sky. But it was vertical from that small beach.

>>157278297
Really wish I had never seen the movies, the original ending was much better.

>>157281698
>Shinji had time to set up grave markers and stuff.
Shinji didn't set that up. That's just wreckage that survived.
>>157281699
>No, he was really really high up in the sky. But it was vertical from that small beach.
Now you're just reaching.

>>157281699
>>157281698
why would Shinji make graves when no-one really died? they're just tang

>>157281639
Phases of the Moon I think. It's new in the alignment shots with the Earth and Sun during 3rd Impact and full in the ending. If you had a lot of faith in Eva's detail and continuity that would mean some multiple of 2 weeks between the scenes.

I ONCE CAUGHT A FISH THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISBIG

>>157281781
>Shinji didn't set that up. That's just wreckage that survived.
Yes he did, you retard. The script even says they're his grave markers.
Why else would Misato's cross be nailed in one of them?

>you're just reaching
You're retarded. We see him right above that area.

>>157281799
Because he was most likely there for a very long time and assumed no one would come back.
Then he sees Asuka which leads him to believe she's just an illusion, hence he chokes her.
That's why we think it must have been a long time before she appeared.

>>157281799
The graves are a leftover from the original screenplay

https://wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:End_of_Evangelion_Screenplays

they left them in the film for whatever reason

>>157281846
>Last A: The prototype of the final ending. It depicts grave markers erected by Shinji, inscribed with the names of the people he'd known (with the exception of Rei). Asuka is shown kicking down her marker. (A stand of grave markers, complete with one that's been kicked down, are still there in the finished film, but no explanation is provided.) The infamous throttling scene is present, but Asuka's line afterwards is different: "Idiot. I'd never let someone like you kill me."
Glad they changed it, the last line of Eva is so much more interesting the way they did it.

>>157278297
Kaworu is an Adam-based lifeform, he couldn't come back even if he wanted to. He's not in the tang.

>>157282000
Then how do you explain the rebuilds?

Personally I figure if Rei can be a ghost or whatever, so can Kaworu.

>this thread
I wish people didn't just proclaim their own interpretations of the choking scene as if it's canon. It's left ambigious.

>>157282021
Rei had both the seeds of life as Lilith and so became a godlike being.
Kaworu can probably only come back if the world is reset.

>>157281983
Evangelion is full of half finished ideas and changes.

What the fuck was the point of the Eva series, for example? To house the souls of SEELE in an early iteration, basically for them to rule as gods from within, that was their version of instrumentality. Not so in the final cut. But you still have the Eva series, so what is their real purpose? What caused the impact? Rei or Shini? It's not clear, there is no hard science to the series at the end of the day, especially since Anno changes his mind about his intent every other week.

>>157282094
Rei never had both seeds of life, only Unit 1 did.

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>>157282000
>>157282021
Just like Rei, he never really died.
They're both in omnipresent god form when they lecture Gendo and shit.

>>157282094
Souls cannot be destroyed, which is why a world reset is even possible. Kaworu was part of instrumentality, it wasn't just Rei deceiving Shinji.

I'e heard it thrown around that Gendo used whatever the soul collection process is to reclaim Kaworu's soul after he was killed in Central Dogma and added some version of it to his plan. It makes sense when you consider the Reis and their personalities, fragments of the same soul eventually made whole (this is when she turns against Gendo, she has a complete memory/personality of her experience with him). Gendo wouldn't just let Kaworu's death go to waste, right?

>>157281983
>(with the exception of Rei)
... Not dead?

>>157282246
she's not a person she's a toilet

>Rebuild Kaworu remembers previous timelines/universes
>Rei doesn't despite gaining godlike status at the end of the world
what is young nagisa doing

>>157282230
Yes, it was noted in the scripts that Kaworu's sole made it's way back to the Adam embyo grafted in Gendo's hand.
He wanted to use that to become herald of instrumentality (which is done by gaining the favor of both Adam and Lilith), but Rei took Kaworu from him instead and they did a "forbidden union" to go to Shinji.

>>157282200
The Adam Embryo from Gendo's hand + Lillith's body.

That's both fruits, life and knowledge.

>>157278297
Asuka has tits and a vagina.

>>157282293
That was just Kaworu and Rei merged together.

>>157282289
Shinji makes the timelines.
He wanted Kaworu to be the only one to remember.

>>157282290
It's great just how cohesively Gendo's whole plan fucked off at a right angle towards the end.

>>157282227
We don't know what's real.
Like Unit 01 eating Gendo was not real, probably.

>>157282289
Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled on 3.33
Rebuilds are a prequel, not a sequel.

>>157282339
His whole plan hinged on Rei obeying him.
He never suspected she wouldn't.

What a twist of irony that both Lilith and Adam wanted Shinji instead.

>>157282337
So Kaworu could use his knowledge of previous attempts to cheat death, finally landing Shinji someone who'd never abandon him?

>>157282348
I've watched 3.33 and I fucking missed that dude, can you explain

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>>157282362
It's actually because Shinji and Kaworu are the same person

someone post that one manga image of dead eaten Kowaru

>>157282412
wasn't manga kaworu kind of a dickhead anyway

>>157282401
I fucking love Eva because you can say literally any bullshit along these lines and there's a 50% chance it's real

>>157282021
rebuilds a shit

>>157282359
Gendo was pretty retarded in hindsight. Why would he expect Rei to favor him? He literally got her killed over and over.

>>157282591
He's full of himself for a guy with so much self loathing. Also, Rei with no outside influence resists him like a paper bag, he couldn't predict interacting with Shinji would give her enough motivation to overcome his ingrained authority.

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>>157282376

>>157282693
These say it's a sequel, which I got. You said it's a prequel.

>>157282719
Basically there's a time loop thing going on. History repeats, right? So it could be either prequel or sequel. But NGE is the end of that repetition because Unit 01 is lost in space and has Shinji's mom's soul trapped inside. She can't ever be taken out, tanged, and part of the world reset again. NGE is the true ending, rebuilds are prequels.

>>157282591
>Why would he expect Rei to favor him?
He gave her the dick. That worked for literally every other woman he ever needed something from.

>>157282591
It's the same reason he was able to get those assets together and come that close to pulling it off while Seele ignored Terminal Dogma. It was too crazy for them to realize what he was trying to do.

>>157282719
1.0-2.0 is a sequel. 3.0 is a prequel.

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This thread is full of newfags.3.0 is the only good Rebuild movie.Fight me.

>>157282957
objectively the worst opinion there is

>>157282963
Prove your point.

>>157282957
Yes but it's still bad compared to Eva

>>157282957
1.0 is alright but forgettable, the more shonen-y final battle is pretty cool but Misato talks over it for some reason.
2.0's characterizations feel odd and the final battle is talked over again for some reason - we don't need Misato to tell us Shinji's motives, we already know. Shinji ascending to godhood by friendship power is pretty sick though.
3.0 has the best fight scenes but underuses several of its characters. Has the best character writing of the three, particularly Shinji's. Rei-Q is an interesting character from a meta perspective. The only one that really made me want to see what happens next.

All three films are at very least decent, and 3.0 is above decent, but none of them get near to fulfilling their potential. The switch to typical anime fanservice being played straight rather than criticized is jarring as fuck.
Mari is potentially a great, enjoyable character but I'm on the verge of hating her as the result of her weird-ass fanservice moments.

>>157283204
Mari's entire character just from a visual standpoint is fanservice.
Also come on. Sudden new girl? Looks like that? It's fan service of the worst kind.

>>157283404
Visually, Mari can fuck off, but her personality is fun. It's interesting to have a character so drastically different to everyone else in this franchise.

>>157283433
I suppose. I can't really argue with it other than it feels like she's intruding.
desu I'd rather no new characters at all but that's more a conservative wish.

>>157283525
It does feel like she's intruding, but like the fanservice issue, this is less because she's a bad character and more because she's poorly handled.

>>157283559
Also can't shake the feeling of her feeling fanfic too.
Just in the sudden new character way.
"Oh new girl and pilot of new eva unit. Oh Mari-chan kawaii desu" and the visual design nake me gag in a way that I probably shouldn't.
I won't doubt her character personallity but fuck me if it doesn't feel somgod damn out of place.

>>157283703
She exists to sell toys, Anno and Eva are artistically bankrupt

>>157283703
I'm really fucking hoping they explain some more about her in 4.0. Why is she such a goddamn savage? Why does she know about Beast Mode when literally nobody else does? Why is she here in this timeline, but not in the original?
I swear to god, I dig Mari but this good character is just going to be trash if they don't do something soon.

I'm also kind of mad that I can't tell whether her name is Mary or not.

>>157283792
I love the series mostly for the character stuff but I'd buy the shit out of those figurines from the original series and even some of the rebuild stuff because those designs are rad as fuck.
So I mean there's at least some cohesion there. I don't really care if they sell figurines. That's just fan stuff. I just care about the shit in the anime and movies.

>>157283815
>tfw me over here instead thinking stuff like
>why are her tits so big
>why does she wear glasses
>is she really 14
>why is her suit pink
I can't let it go senpai. I just fucking can't.
I don't think I'd have this much if a problem if the same personallity was out in a character that visually fit the series style more - like if she was the chick that liked Toji. Or if she was just anither dude to help even out the team gender. Though I'm sure that paul marketing would say 'no shinji can't have rivals they all have to like him' or some shit.

>>157279549
don't worry about it
just keep watching

>leave Tang
>die because planet is destroyed

>>157283985
Take away the glasses, lower her bust and give her a not-garish suit color and she'd honestly be fine

>>157283985
>why are her tits so big
Early puberty
>why does she wear glasses
Bad eyesight
>is she really 14
Probably
>why is her suit pink
She likes the color

>>157283869
I mean the movies are being affected by the products arm of the brand - so you should care

>>157278297
I just have one question after watching all the anime and the movie.

how the hell did this create a waifu war when literally all the the girls are fucked in the head and there is none significative romantic plotlines I fap to Misato doujins anyways

>>157284197
The almighty Evas that are the fate of humanity should not be something to entrust to a pilot with bad eyesight much less one with glasses that can fall off, break or get cloudy.
It's the future she should have gotten corrective eye surgery

>>157284927
What if her eyesight is fine and she's cashing in on an archetype?

anything is better than her being a non-ironic meganekko girl for fuck's sake anno this franchise is for deconstructing archetypes not jerking off to them

>>157284719
It's weird, yeah. Anno somehow created the exact type of fanbase he spent over 20 episodes attempting to shit on.

>>157284719
desu I find myself more attracted to characters with major flaws to them than those without so waifing one if them isn't out of my mind. I just simply relate more to one character over another and not basing that on her looks or how big her tits are.

Waifuwar for EVA boggles my fucking mind becuase even if I say I like this character that doesn't change the fact they didn't do or say horrible things or is a good person over the course of the plot.
It's probably just those who don't understand the point of the show And thise who did understand it but either hated it or don't care enough about it to respect those characters.

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I could see someone waifuing Rei but the rest?

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>>157283985
>is she really 14
Considering we see her in the photo of Shinji as a baby with his mother, I'd say so no. She was clearly suffering from the curse of Eva before anyone else.

>>157278352
>this is what Asukafags believe

>>157286358
Wait what?
Does this imply that she's as old as Yui?
I have many questions.
Also do you HAVE to be 14 to Pilot an Eva or do you just need a link to the soul?
Also if she's supposed to be older, why does she seem to wear a highschool uniform?

>>157286358
>Considering we see her in the photo of Shinji as a baby with his mother
That doesn't look like her. Stop fanwanking.

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>>157286877
We do however see her at the end of the manga with Yui.

>>157286877
It does look like her on the right. Their glasses are exactly the same too.

>>157278785
This. Also, Kaworu is an Angel, only humans get tanged and are able to return from the fantasea to real life. OP didn't even pay attention.

>>157287091
Sadamoto-san said it was his own idea and he didn't discuss it with Anno. So it's not canon. The interview was posted here numerous times, according to it, Mari is a pointless character.
>>157287112
It doesn't though. Mari is 16 years old biologically and this woman is seemingly an adult. Also, different hair color. I can't say anything about the glasses, they may be the same.

>>157278352
Asuka was a roastie whore, kek she didn't deserve shinji.

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>>157278297

>>157287230
So Tang is like Reason of Musubi?
I though the happy world thing was shared

>>157287176
Mari looks older than we're told she is, it's her attire and behavior that suggest she's young. Considering she's a spy, I'd say it's an act. Maybe one she uses permanently now since she can't age.

>>157287176
So whether her being okder is right or wrong it still comes back down to her being essentially pointless both to the originals and to the rebuilds.

>>157287408
>I though the happy world thing was shared
It is. But it isn't. It's shared if you want it to be, or not. It's whatever you want it to be. It's perfection, but it's not real.

>>157287417
She's not a very fucking good spy then.
Or maybe she is because if so, no one figured it out.

Rei was an abomination and Kawarou was a deciever.

As such the only person who might be able to understand him was Asuka and that's why she was the last one with him.

>>157287493
Don't know if they ever really understood eachother, but their situations and reasons for being are fairly similar.

>>157287417
>Mari looks older than we're told she is, it's her attire and behavior that suggest she's young.
I can't say she looks older. She even says "adults" when referencing Kaji, who also says "kids" when referencing Mari.
>>157287434
Yes, which is kind of sad. As far as I know she was added by producer's request. And they didn't even try to develop her character throughout two films she was in. I doubt (and Sadamoto-san does too) that she'll get enough screentime in 3.0+1.0, which isn't necessarily bad. Also, she's a literal fanservice incarnate.
>Megane
>Zettai ryōiki
>Moe
20 boners

>>157287608
Yeah she's a looker but I can pretty much see in her visual design is where blizzard probably got their idea for D.Va minus the classes and more petite.
And I won't lie; she is attractive. I'd fuck her.
But muh eva character design consistantsy tho.
But as I've said before; she feels like an intruder. Compare her to any of the original cast designs and she'll look like a goddess or alien in comparison.

Are the rebuilds worth watching or they are just fanservice?

>>157287493
Too bad Shinji hated that Asuka so much he replaced her with Shikinami in Rebuild,

And he still can't give a rats ass about her.

>>157287980
If you liked Eva, they're worth a watch if at least for more Eva.

1.0 is basically a remake
2.0 is basically fanservice
3.0 is neither

>>157288649
The best release is THORA right?

>>157288845
>not Asuka Girlfriend of Steel
shig

>>157278297
He had no choice. Asuka and Shinji were the only eva pilots who weren't essentially 'angels'.

>>157287980
>>157288845
The Rebuilds are garbage intended to be a worse version of the original.

1.0 is a remake
2.0 is a remake with some changes
3.0 is pure unadulterated otaku fanservice

>>157289055
>3.0 is pure unadulterated otaku fanservice
>this is what reifags actually believe

>>157283404
Look, >>157283204 is completely retarded. His opinion doesn't matter and isn't worth anything.

3.33 has hands down not just the least characterization and development, it also has the most unrealistic and outrageous developments. It is astonishing how bad 3.33 is, and even more astonishing are filth like >>157283204 in their deluded, insane defense of 3.33.

>>157289106
>3.33 isn't pure adulterated fanservice
This is what fat retarded otaku actually believe.

>>157282891
How does this make sense? I don't follow.

>>157289148
Seems I hit the NERV there, faggot
You're only making it worse, stop embarassing yourself

>>157279465
>I'm pretty sure Shikanami is to Asuka what Rei-Q is to Rei - basically the same character, but more so.

No no, Shikinami is a vulgar glorification of Asuka, while Rei Q is a vulgar travesty of Rei Ayanami. They're similar insofar they don't represent the original characters except for in design. They don't have the same names either:

Rei Ayanami -> Ayanamirei(Tentative Name)
Asuka Soryu Langley - > Asuka Shikinami Langley

>>157289153
I wouldn't pay attention to that guy, he doesn't know.

>>157289204
Looks like I hit a NERV seeing your butthurt response here: >>157289106

3.33 is pure unadultereated otaku fanservice that offers absolutely nothing but escapism into an anime world, with absolutely no meaning to it except for getting lost in it. It's specifically targeted at perhaps the most strongly delusional part of the audience, the fujoshi, whose basis for existence is precisely escapism through fictional homosexual romance.

>>157289290
>It's specifically targeted at perhaps the most strongly delusional part of the audience, the fujoshi, whose basis for existence is precisely escapism through fictional homosexual romance.
Aaaaand there it is. I think we know it's pointless to talk to this pile of shit, gentlemen. Besides, give me more, reifaggot, it's amusing to read your posts.

>>157282133
> But you still have the Eva series, so what is their real purpose? What caused the impact? Rei or Shini? It's not clear, there is no hard science to the series at the end of the day, especially since Anno changes his mind about his intent every other week.

This is explained very well in the movie though. SEELE says that they'll cause instrumentality through using the MP-series and EVA01 with Shinji as a catalyst. They refer to EVA01 as a copy of Lilith, so with the Adam-based EVA-series they've got everything they need. Plus the lance which they just got.
Shinji isn't the direct cause for third impact, but he is given the choice of whether or not to cause it or not. Rei wasn't part of it at all until she forced herself into it, and became the medium through which it happened.

>>157289290
>>157289055
>slice of life
>doki doki rei
>asuka cooking shinji lunch
>gurren lagann hype girl-saving ending
>mari

>not pure unadulterated otaku fanservice

lol yeah okay

>>157289344
Ooh, looks like I hit a NERV there - spot on. I guess this is why you've started with the ad-hominem, no?

Because we could discuss a lot about the movie itself, and why it is fanservice. It's trivial for me or anyone else, to point out the distinct lack of characterization in 3.33 compared to the obscene amount of otaku pandering - is that why you start with the insults?

>>157289430
Watch NGE some time, secondary.

>>157289344
Butthurt fujoshit detected.

>>157289464
More, MORE! Come on, write WHY is it "pure unadulterated otaku fanservice", come on, I wanna hear it, I need a good laugh!

>>157289532
Are you OK fujo?

>>157289464
>this goalpost moving

2.0 is wish-fulfillment of the highest degree

>>157289430
>slice of life
>fanservice twister and dancing to save an angel
>yuri ecchi hot spring fanservice
>gurren lagann type jump in lava girl-saving
>asuka

>not pure unadulterated otaku fanservice

lol yeah okay

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>good conversation about the quality of the rebuilds.
>sudden flagging of waifufagging
i enjoyed the time i had with those of you willing to actually discuss

>>157289642
Kaworufags. Pure cancer.

>>157289568
see
>>157289543

2.0 is all fanservice compared to 3.0

>>157289543
It's called being rational. You're the one moving goalposts. I can explain why, and it's simple: NGE also had large amounts of fanservice and monster of the week episodes. It's part of the setup. The first half of NGE had the protagonist(s) save the world every episode, or where you have frivolous, but funny and comedic ways of defeating the monsters like practicing a dance routine before the battle.

If 1.0 is a remake (with some changes I may add) of NGE's first six episodes or so, then clearly 2.0 is a remake similar in tone to the original as well, with even more new things added. The movies both fulfill their quota of characterization, development and setup, the process of refining the characters shown in the previous entry is well kept even in 2.0. It's not until we get to 3.33 where the scales tip completely in the favor of pure unadulterated fanservice.

I can tell that the people (or rather, person) who disagrees with this is an otaku himself who really liked the fanservice in 3.33, and is therefore incapable of admitting that it is more fanservicey than the other two since it'd make it look bad.

>>157289532
You've lost it now, haven't you?

>>157289222
Didn't watch 3.00 but why the fuck did Asuka's name change and why the fuck does she have a hat and eyepatch?

>>157289694
Not even close though, 2.0 had great development and characterization. It had a plot that made sense. It had a story, and realistic characters - those elements which improve the story from it's previous entry here means that 2.0 has something more than fanservice in it. To say that 2.0 or 1.0 doesn't have fanservice is crazy, but it's equally crazy to say they are just fanservice - especially compared to 3.0, which is really just eva with fanservice turned up to 11. 3.0 ended up offering nothing more than fanservice, and that's why it's far worse than the other two. There simply isn't time to dedicate a full movie of the story to fanservice.

I just watched the rebuilds last night.
I thought 1 was decent, and stuck to the original series well enough, but had enough small new stuff to be interesting.
2 had good action bits, and I liked seeing differences in characterization from the original. In hindsight, this is where they started veering off into generic mech anime, but I thought it was alright because they kept up with characterization and phycological issues being the forefront.
3 was really exciting for the first bits where I had no idea what was going on, but I quickly realized that it was straight-up mimicking Gurren Lagann. It was all generic mech anime plot with nothing that defines what NGE is. In fact, rebuild 3 is the antithesis of NGE.

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>>157289707
Because it's cute and attractive. Since the 90's Asuka has had an image-problem in the eyes of some otaku, because when compared to Rei Asuka just looks bad. So with Khara they completely remade Asuka to make her more popular, especially more than Rei. So Rei's got the eye-patch, she's got the lance of longinus, she's got that half-angel background, bandages and so on - this was then transposed onto Asuka.

They also changed Asuka's name so that it also ends in ~nami, like Rei Ayanami. The hat, the new clothes, the new evas are stuff fans love. Everyone likes a main character getting cool new clothes, evas or fights, so it's pure pandering to those types.

>>157289820
This guy gets it. The irony is that the otaku retards, the worst part of the fanbase (obsessive asuka and kaworu fans) keep claiming 2.0 or 1.0 is "gurren lagann". They do it because they are small, spiteful people who are far too into anime waifus, but they really miss out on that great irony. Gurren Lagann also had a 14 year long timeskip, it also had the world about to end, it also imprisoned and demoralized the main character, it also had flying battleships, it even had a "waifu" girl turn evil with a black dress.

They even turned Ritsuko into Leeron, gay and science-y.

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>>157289964
>They even turned Ritsuko into Leeron, gay and science-y.

I'm kinda hoping that they pull a massive bait-and-switch with rebuild 4 on the level of episodes 25 and 26.

The week salt would be so amazing.

>>157282289
He wants the D.

>>157289701
Except it's clear that you didn't understand the differences between supposed fanservice of the original and Rebuild. What we got with 2.0 is the actual wish fulfillment of the otaku audience in Japan (yes, in Japan, nobody gives a shit about you, westerner). We have Asuka, who's now a tsundere actually showing her dere-dere side, cooking for Shinji, etc., something Asukafags believe she can do. We have Shinji himself, showing amazing amounts of badassery and screaming TTGL-style in an attempt to save his blue-haired goddess of shyness. We have Rei, who's now all poka-poka, doki-doki for Shinji, an ultimate wish fulfillment of all otaku. Moreover, it's so obvious, it's painful. Asuka actually gives Rei "green light" on pursuing Shinji after Rei stops her hand like some high-class kung-fu fighter, another piece of fanservice for Reifags, especially shippers and we know their fanbase is full of salty shippers. Asuka then "smiles", shows Rei her understanding, a completely bizzare thing for every respectful originalfag. Rei is not afraid to show her love to Shinji and even tries to help him with Gendo. Gendo FUCKING ACCEPTS dinner with Shinji, shit gets real and completely bizzare, another wish fulfillment, all values of the original are destroyed. Shinji proceeds to save Rei like a badass, whispering her that she's the most precious thing in his life, putting her above all of humanity. This pile of shit, 2.0, is the true wish fulfillment for Japanese otaku (again, nobody gives a shit about you). Rei is one of the most popular waifus in Japan. So, what's exactly happening? Asuka gives her "green light" on Shinji, no competition, she herself is willing to show some love, is able to communicate normally and be all shy, absolutely bizzare, Shinji turns into a knight and savior TTGL-style, Gendo is somehow ready to bond with him, etc. What the fuck are you even talking about? What fucking "small changes"? This pile of shit completely ignores the original.

>>157289701
To say 2.0 is a remake in similar tone to NGE is laughable after comparing the end of the Zeruel fights, the inclusion of Mari, and the iterations of Asuka and Rei.

>>157290148
That's a dumbfounded argument you've got there. NGE has as far as it's budged allowed some rather unhinged action sequences as well, and tons of monster of the week fanservice. I think the extra fanservice you talk of can simply be chalked up to a few things:

- Larger budget
- Larger need to impress an audience who has already seen this before
- Less time to tell the entire Evangelion story (26 episodes)

>>157290148
This.
>>157289701
This guy is a complete idiot who doesn't even understand what he's talking about. But it seems that Anno's plan is working well. With 3.0 he destroyed the supposed otaku fanbase and we got this guy as a result. A salty reifag who's still trying to look at Eva through Rei-tilted waifuglasses. Sad!
>>157290209
>talking about battle scenes
How about fucking characters who are nothing but shadows of their past selves? What the fuck? Do you ACTUALLY believe this pile of crap is similar to NGE? Are you THAT retarded?

>>157289964
How's the weather in Norway today?

>>157290244
Slow down there, butthurt.

The characters are shadows of their former self due to 3.33's lack of characterization and development. The first twelve episodes of NGE and the first two Rebuild movies contain a decent amount of characterization for the main characters, as much as can be expected for a movie remake.

>>157290209
The quality of the new Zeruel fight scene isn't what makes it fanservice, but the content. Are you telling me that episode of 19 would end the same as 2.0 if they had a bigger budget?

>>157290129
Sounds to me like you're a salty Asukafag shipper. Explains your delusion very well.

If you watch the original, you'll see that there's far more cringe-worthy material in the television series especially early on. Remember the hot springs scene where Shinji pops a boner? Remember where they force the children naked into the entry plugs, so that the moe waifu Asuka can scream and be embarrassed? Chances are that you've conveniently forgottten all about those episodes or scenes where there is pointless fanservice.

Fanservice in the original to which even Rei cooking for Shinji and Gendo is objectively more constructive in terms of character development. We don't build either Asuka, Shinji or Rei's character by having them prance naked down a hallway, come out of a shower, or for instance, suggestively playing in the hot springs. But Rei cooking is, despite how much it makes you butthurt because you're a shipper, better character development.

I'm not suggesting or saying that 2.0 lacks fanservice. But you're clearly picking at shadows that aren't even there. That there's "Rei-bias" in 2.0, a movie that objectively treats Asuka better in terms of fanservice, is just a butthurt shipper lie. The real problem here are the otaku, like you, who cannot stand seeing development that might threaten your ship.

Bottom line being, there isn't any basis for your argument against 2.0 that isn't pure shipper "opinion", and that's putting it respectfully. If the story develops either Rei or Asuka in these directions but also does it's own homework in doing so, then more power to it.

Looking at rebuilds 2 and 3, it makes me realize how the brilliance of NGE was a complete accident. Anno seems to be on the same level of ineptness that George Lucas is.

>>157290463
>turning Rei into a doki-doki dandere and have her fight with Asuka over who's going to cook Shinji's school lunch IS NOT fanservice

man what

I was plannong in staing away from the rebuilds to keep my experiance of the original series as pure as possible but now I'm thinking I should watch them just to understand the differences and give actual credible info on them.
But at the same time I don't want to see character that I already think are complete be thrown for a loop with 'new editions' added to them.

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>>157290329
>the first two Rebuild movies contain a decent amount of characterization for the main characters
>main characters
>Misato who apparently was Eva's deuteragonist is left in the dust to give time to Pokanami and Asuka cooking
>Kaji is reduced into a subcharacter whose only purpose is making fag jokes
>Touji isn't even a pilot anymore to allow Asuka show her slutsuit for three minutes and sell figurines

>>157290441
Are you telling me the "Dance like you want to win scene", "Shinji dives into Magma scene" or the "EVA01 stops Jet Alone scene" wouldn't be massively over-orchestrated? We aren't talking quality here either, we're talking about the need to impress.

There's a need in not just this franchise, but virtually every other franchise to deliver something with even more punch than the last entry in the series. This is why Ramiel is more threatening and melodramatic, it's also why 2.0 needs to "one-up" your expectations. You could make a similar argument for 3.33, but that was deliberate character assassination and otaku pandering given that it failed to deliver an actual story along with it's visuals.

I mentioned three good reasons for why the Rebuilds need to be different, for why any one person actually expects them to be different. It's not just about budget.

>>157290477
I'd disagree with that, because Anno's inability to produce a good Evangelion remake is a consequence of his own involvement into it. He's far too biased towards his favorite characters to actually give them a good run for their money. With the Khara-spinoffs we've seen, they've without any exception pumped up his favorite girl Asuka more with every iteration. It has even gone as far as deliberately making other characters worse to make Asuka look better.

George Lucas, despite his flaws, never sunk that low.

>>157290477
Anno's good at directing, not at writing. Look up the credits for the episodes in Evangelion Platinum and you'll notice all of those scriptwriters aren't among Rebuild's staff.

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>>157290571
Greentext isn't an argument, and you didn't read my post either. 2.0 has lots of fanservice. But guess what - NGE is founded on fanservice. NGE employs it in great quantities to make for an initially enjoy story that can be developed into a more serious one with later story. The difference is that with 3.33 and inevitably 4.44, that never happened. 3.33 ended up being even worse in the otaku-pandering aspect than 2.0 did, and completely sunk the story for anyone except fat fujos and otaku.

>this is you

>>157290571
not the dude you're replying to
I think Rei in rebuild2 is still closer to her original character than Asuka is. Rei wanting to cook for Shinji makes good sense if you look at it as her Yui-side trying to mend the relationship between Shinji and Gendo.

On the other hand, Asuka trying to cook for Shinji doesn't make sense at all because in NGE she fucking hates his guts, and doesn't care what he thinks of her. She's not a tsundere that's hiding her deeply held love for Shinji.

>>157290786
>She's not a tsundere that's hiding her deeply held love for Shinji.
Don't let Asukafags hear you say that.

>>157290621
>Misato who apparently was Eva's deuteragonist is left in the dust to give time to Pokanami and Asuka cooking
Misato still retains the most screentime and importance on par with around six episodes of early Evangelion. You argument = debunked.

>Kaji is reduced into a subcharacter whose only purpose is making fag jokes
He was always a sub-character - he has no backstory besides "I WANT TO FIND THE TRUTH", which is only revealed in the later episodes of Evangelion. Kaji becomes a greater character in later Eva, which is where 3.33 dropped the ball.

>Touji isn't even a pilot anymore to allow Asuka show her slutsuit for three minutes and sell figurines
This is true, he was sacrificed for Asuka and Mari. Whether or not it was a good sacrifice, isn't really up to 2.22 - it's up to 3.33. If 3.33 hadn't borked itself, we'd get plenty of time for developing Asuka further.

But that never happened due to 3.33.

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why was Unit 01's berserk scene the best version?

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>>157290786
Not him but you're right.

Rei in 2.0 is closer to NGE's Rei than Asuka is to NGE's Asuka. Rei's development can be explained fine within the series. Shinji and others took more care with her, and so Rei develops differently - this fits well with the original Rei Ayanami, who was always a developing character compared to the more static Asuka.

Asuka in 2.0 is a straight rewrite sans the tsundere attitude, design and voice actor. I was willing to give it a pass until 3.33 demonstrated that it had zero intentions of actually developing the character as anything but a consolation prize for Asuka fans suffering from a feeling of inferiority since the 90's.

>>157290463
Nice Reddit spacing. But let me clarify something. It seems that you completely misinterpret what "fanservice" basically is. When we're talking about the original, we have obvious instances of fanservice with nudity. That's typical for any anime, to have hot naked girls on the screen, please the audience with animation etc. Now, what we have with Rebuilds? Particalrly, what we have with 2.0. When I'm talking about fanservice in Rebuild, I'm comparing it to the original and imposing said comparison on the supposed Evangelion otaku fanbase. Waifufags, in particular. Now, instances of fanservice in Rebuilds are different from ones in the original. What's different is the object of fanservice. In the original we had plain sexual objectification. Not trying to sound SJW-like, but that's what it plainly is. In the Rebuild, however, the object of fanservice is characterization. The original characters had flaws. Massive flaws. Flaws people in real life have. They were selfish, they had death drives, they had no self-value, they were bad at communication, they were unable to express their actual feelings properly etc. In the Rebuild these flaws, human flaws, are practically non-existent. The characters manage to communicate, they are trying to properly express their feelings, cooking being an example, they are ready to make their own decisions, especially Shinji, something he was incapable of doing in the original, which was also one of his main character traits. Rei is acting lovey-dovey around Shinji, which was practically impossible for her character in the original. Asuka, who hated Shinji in NGE, now likes him and tries to show her liking. Gendo agrees to have a dinner with Shinji. Something Rei asks him of, trying to oppose him, a thing she was able to do only by the end. So that's what fanservice in Rebuild is. Characters are now not horribly flawed, they don't have mental illnesses, they don't want to die, they want and they try to express themselves.

20 years later and there can still be found arguements about who's best grill

>>157290645
Reread my post. I'm not saying over-orchestration is fanservice.

The end of the Zeruel fights are not only different in tone, but in terms of what actually happens. 2.0's ending is cliche anime save-the-cute-girl in epic fashion wish fulfillment.

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>>157290645
>It has even gone as far as deliberately making other characters worse to make Asuka look better.
*cough* Rei Q * cough*
>>157290873
Because it's still the only "version". The berserk scene you're probably referring to in 2.0 is an amalgam of various other scenes, not a Berserk scene unto itself. In Rebuild, Shinji retains control, in NGE he does not - the EVA itself goes berserk. Logically speaking, 2.0 had no berserk scenes. 1.0 did however.

>>157290925
(cont.) So, isn't that what most Evangelion fans wanted? Isn't that the true Evangelion fanservice? People always imagined that these characters can be better, because they tried to self-insert, to imagine themselves in these situations, openly denying how similar they are to them. So, this is what 2.0 gives to its audience, something Evangelion fans always wanted to see, their favorite characters, their self-inserts, acting cool and lovely.
>>157290974
Basically this.

>>157290718
There's bad writing in 3.0. I agree that 2.0 is a better film, but no one's pointed out where is the fan-service in 3.0 is that is apparently more prevalent than in 2.0.

>>157290817
>Misato still retains the most screentime and importance on par with around six episodes of early Evangelion. You argument = debunked.
She has nowhere the importance and screentime she got in the original Eva including those episodes people hated so much such as Jet Alone because they're retarded enough to think they're fillers. Even someone in Khara (Anno? Otsuki?) confessed in CRC interviews some of her scenes along with Ritsuko/Kaji scenes were removed in order to give time for other characters so apparently they needed that time for cooking, almost-kisses, and Mari landing her boobs on Shinji's face. So no, the argument is still there, you just don't want to see it. You prefer to pay a deaf ear to that or just claim she's idolized somehow because she's a terribly copy of Nemo from Nadia in 3.0.
It's delusional to think 2.0 doesn't have fanservice. And it's even more delusional to think said fanservice wasn't detrimental for the story and the characters. You faggots have to stop idolizing what's a mediocre movie at most.

>>157290974
I'm telling you that "saving the cute girl in epic fashion" or "defeating the angel in epic fashion" isn't something NGE hasn't done before. It only did so with less grandeur, for very explainable reasons. Logical, even.

Those examples I mentioned are all such examples where the otaku (you) get their dose of wish fulfillment, by seeing the heroes succeed. I don't think you should be replying unless you take the three factors I mentioned into consideration:

- Larger budget
- Larger need to impress an audience who has already seen this before
- Less time to tell the entire Evangelion story (26 episodes)

>>157289964
>>157290991
>Razyda'17 tumblr

>>157291106
I'm not saying NGE's never had "saving the cute girl in epic fashion" or "defeating the angel in epic fashion", but to say 2.0 is in similar tone to NGE after comparing the Zeruel fights is laughable.

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>>157291077
Putting it shortly, it's everywhere. Besides from the numerous shots of Asuka's crotch, Mari's jiggling tits, or Rei's barenaked ass, the fanservice lies in it's empty representation of characters as nothing more than fanservice objects.

Consider Asuka, a character who in the movie has no development at all, or any form for in-depth characterization. Even 2.0, where 3.0 defenders claim there's so much fanservice, had far more characterization and development. It's above all, the complete lack of any substance in 3.33 combined with an abundance of fanservice in form of wishfulfilling character representation that makes it a fanservice movie.

Imagine Evangelion if you stripped out the development, the characterization as well as the plot - you'd be left with nothing but tits, action and ass, which is what 3.33 was.

>>157291167
All the fights in NGE were short and sweet. Didn't take too long to solve the problem, the problem was just really dangerous

>>157291066
That's not what I want from Evangelion. I want forced introspection from this franchise. NGE to me is existential philosophy, not
>omg Rei-chan mai waifu so kawaii i knew you could do it desu

>>157291167
>I'm not saying NGE's never had "saving the cute girl in epic fashion" or "defeating the angel in epic fashion", but to say 2.0 is in similar tone to NGE after comparing the Zeruel fights is laughable.

Which brings us back to >>157290209

You're presenting a claim you can't back up or otherwise substantiate with anything but the claim itself. We have definitely proven in our discussion that there's a logical and reasonable explanation for both 1.0, 2.0 and even 3.0 to be more over the top that NGE.

If anything, the Rebuilds is after 2.0 more darker than NGE was in tone, with less fanservice. This is an objective measure here.

>>157291258
That's because you're a normal person who values Neon Genesis Evangelion for its introspection and psychological issues it tries to analyze. Something I do too. But that's exactly what most waifufags want, their wish fulfillment. And here comes the problem again. I already presented my argument and I'm waiting for supposed debunking. I hope clever people can see what I mean.

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>>157291258
In other words, you're an otaku who wants pandering. The sad part is, that you may even believe what you're writing. You don't want forced introspection or existential philosophy, you want otaku pandering.

You cannot have proper introspection scenes or existential philosophy without establishing the characters first. This is what makes the original, and 1.0 through 2.0 such an appealing and fertile starting point for further development. There are developed characters here, and they are ripe for further development AND introspection.

Because you don't understand that we cannot truly fall hard without first having climbed high, it's easy to out your as little more than an otaku plebeian, probably an Asukfag or something since they're one of the more shallow parts of the audience.

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>>157291218
>tfw you realize the curse of the eva isn't just that the characters can't age, it's that they also can't develop as people anymore
>the curse is that they're all forced to keep revisiting this same old series over and over, and each time it loses an aspect of its beauty and becomes more shallow.
>Anno is trolling everyone

>>157291280
I've never said being over-the-top is what makes it fanservice. You've heard this before.

Listen, man. We're not gonna agree. I gotta go to a dentist appointment. It was fun to discuss, I guess. Cheers, have a good one, mate.

>>157291373
So, let me clarify it. You actually believe that Evangelion 2.0, compared to the original, Neon Genesis Evangelion, has well-established characters with interesting personality traits?

>>157290925
Terrible autist spacing you've got there. You're posting a wall of text that's extremely uninviting to read, and lack of care like that only shows you're angry.

>When we're talking about the original, we have obvious instances of fanservice with nudity
Well I understand what you mean, but it isn't true. NGE had both sexual fanservice, and the sort of "otaku wish fulfillment" you mention. Every episode early on there's a hero who saves the day, and even saves a girl. Shinji runs out and checks up on Rei, earning a smile, and he dives into lava saving Asuka - also making Asuka smile. There was always a lot of this in the early Evangelion episodes.

The flaws in these characters bleed out little by bit early on only to start hemorrhaging as we enter the second half of the story, until someone collapses into a pit of depression. In Rebuild, in 1.0 and 2.0, these characters still had flaws. We learned that Misato was out for revenge and had a past, we learned that Rei felt lonely and trapped, and we learned that Asuka had a tonne of problems of her own to develop further on.

The truth is that after 2.0, we still had all the necessary ingredients to make another great story, different but still great. This was all discarded in favor of blatant otapandering in the third entry, where all of these flaws were erased and replaced with unrealistic attitudes that turned the characters into masturbation fetishes and plot devices at best.

>>157291258
This. Fucking this. I just want characters to suffer and show fucking emotion that i can relate to.
The robots are cool but NGE to me is a character drama and psycho/philosophical thing that makes you think rather than not at all.

>>157291373
I may be an anime pleb, but i definitely wouldn't say I'm an otaku by any stretch. Dunno where you got the assumption that I was an Asukafag either.

I fully understand that you can't have proper introspection without first establishing the characters. The thing about the rebuilds is that the characters are already established, and then 3.0 doesn't do anything with them or goes backwards. 3.0 is literally a Big Dumb Robot Anime with nothing else going on.

>>157291395
The "curse of EVA" is nothing more than an excuse to sell the characters as teenagers despite doing a 14 year old timeskip. 3.33 is the most pathetic entry of all time in EVA.

>>157291539
You're a lying moron.

>>157291568
ok guy. you definitely know me better than i do.

>>157291550
>I may be an anime pleb, but i definitely wouldn't say I'm an otaku by any stretch.
You are, and things like this:
>The thing about the rebuilds is that the characters are already established
reveal your powerlevel.

This is a story that has since 1.0 started from scratch, redeveloping it's characters. It has to produce the same quality all over again, otherwise it is truly just otaku fanservice trash. That you consider them "already developed" reveals you as an otaku that only wants MORE pandering of something you are already safely acquainted with. I apologize for the psychotherapy session, but you're here on /a/, 4chan, and yes, you are an otaku.

3.0 is a Big Dumb Robot Otaku Pandering anime of the worst sort, unfortunately. To have that great emotional quality, it is necessary to actually create well-developed characters. The only impact 3.0 leaves is disappointment that a good story turned into a poorly written mess. Far worse than the Matrix Sequels.

>>157291449
>You actually believe that Evangelion 2.0, compared to the original, Neon Genesis Evangelion, has well-established characters with interesting personality traits?
Let me clarify for you, then:

I am saying that NGE has better developed characters than Rebuild 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 does. I am also claiming the very same thing everyone else thinks after watching 3.33, that it's the weakest of the three Rebuilds in every area except otaku pandering. It lacks well-established characters with interesting personality traits, which is in itself boring - but what's worse is that the characters lack realism and development. They are directly poorly written, constantly betray their own established motivations for no explainable reason, and become extremely incompetent for the sake of plot.

It's an extremely poor film, and it's poor precisely because the intent of the flick named 3.33 was to pander to the most disgusting parts of the fanbase: the otaku who waifu Asuka and Kaworu.

>>157291423
You're just pussying out though. Your retort there got debunked here: >>157291373
and now you make up a phony dentists appointment because you're such a huge delusional otaku you won't let go of your escapist vision of Evangelion.

Sad!

>>157291532
>Every episode early on there's a hero who saves the day, and even saves a girl. Shinji runs out and checks up on Rei, earning a smile, and he dives into lava saving Asuka - also making Asuka smile. There was always a lot of this in the early Evangelion episodes.
Uh-huh. And now comes the problem that I like to address as "filler-episode syndrome". What you mention here are not instances of fanservice, but instances of actual character "dissection". When Shinji saves Rei, he's uncovering his inner caring side, which was influenced by Rei's words and actions. When Shinji opposes Asuka and jumps into a volcano for her, supposedly opposing orders, he's uncovering his determination which was influenced by Asuka's own words and actions. When he earns smiles from them, it shows their inner wish to be needed and saved by the end of the day, it uncovers their characters, shows us how different they actually are inside. And they manage to show it to us after making these characters suffer, that's something we earn, we can see them from inside out. Now, "flaws" you're talking about in Rebuild aren't actually there. Despite feeling lonely, Rei is still pretty determined with Shinji, she seems to have self-value. Despite having supposed troubles, Asuka is still communicating and isn't afraid of being close to people, something we couldn't imagine before. So, in Evangelion 2.0 these characters AREN'T their former selves. They are completely different, as if they've already cured all of their mental problems they had in the original and it's obviously fanservice aimed at those people, who wanted to see them like this. This is IN NO WAY a good set up for continuation. This is NOT Evangelion, this is plain fanservice with characters I don't recognize at all. This is a typical kuudere, a tsundere and a determined MC who acts beta at first, but makes decisions for himself at the end. And it's ridiculous to ever compare this pile of shit to the original.

>>157291657
>>I may be an anime pleb, but i definitely wouldn't say I'm an otaku by any stretch.
>You are, and things like this:
>>The thing about the rebuilds is that the characters are already established
>reveal your powerlevel.
I don't follow your thinking at all.

If I watch the series for its later-half psychology bender and expect more of that in future installments of the same series,, how does that mean that I want otaku pandering?

I think we've got different definitions of what otaku is.

>>157291792
>debunked
I'm sorry, but you're retarded. Saying that 2.0 has well-established and well-developed characters is inexcusable. It shows that you're a simple waifufag who's trying to justify his attraction to a fanservic-y pile of trash that 2.0 actually is.
>>157291568
I want to see some arguments to your statement about this anon being "a lying moron".
>>157291892
I think this person just doesn't understand what he's saying. He may be baiting, because an actual Eva fan can't be this retarded. Oh wait...

>>157291881
>Uh-huh. And now comes the problem that I like to address as "filler-episode syndrome". What you mention here are not instances of fanservice, but instances of actual character "dissection". When Shinji saves Rei, he's uncovering his inner caring side, which was influenced by Rei's words and actions.

Right. Before we continue, I challenge you to consider your own double standard. That is, Shinji smiling and crying over Rei is him "discovering his inner and caring side", but Rei doing something caring for Shinji is not Rei changing emotionally because....?

Also, I also challenge you to a moment of self-reflection before you try again. There was nothing saying that Shinji disobeyed orders jumping in to save Asuka. Try fanwanking half as much for Rebuild as you do for NGE.

>>157291892
Because you can't get to B without first going through A. The first-half light hearted character setup is what makes the later-half psychology possible. If you just want one, you're in it for the otaku pandering.

>I think we've got different definitions of what otaku is.
Yes, and yours is wrong.

>>157291979
I'm sorry, but you're retarded. Your retort has been debunked earlier, and has been since 2.0 and 1.0 came out. You can keep repeating
>BUT IF YOU THOUGHT 2.0 HAD THIS AND THIS UR WRONG
but all it'll do is underline just how obsessive you are as an otaku. Only arguments actually count here, not sour nonsense and strawman arguments like your post.

I think you're crazy to keep going on like this. It's well past into shitposting. Do you want a civil discussion or not?

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>>157291881
How come NGE's otaku wish fulfillment fanservice gets a free pass as being "filler", but the same thing in the Rebuilds don't? Besides it's not even filler, NGE isn't adapting some manga or novel which it has to make up new content for since it has caught up.

and holy shit, this
>When he earns smiles from them, it shows their inner wish to be needed and saved by the end of the day

is LITERALLY OTAKU WISH FULFILLMENT DELUXE. Yes, the fragile, nubile girls only want to be saved by the main character (MR.SELF INSERT) at the end of the day, right. It's amazing that you think you have the right to call Rebuild 2.0 otaku wish fulfillment when you consider the original as otaku wish fulfillment as well. I think it's become obvious to anyone that 2.0's only haters are themselves otaku butthurt that their waifu wasn't saved by Shinji in the finale, and that's a fucking fact.

Also explains why normal people loved 2.0 but hated 3.0, but only otaku liked 3.0.

>>157292048
>There was nothing saying that Shinji disobeyed orders jumping in to save Asuka.
Right, I said "supposedly". Clarified it for you, since you're an obvious idiot. Supposedly because it's not good for an EVA to jump into 1000 degree heat without special equipment. And that special equipment was really thick and really special. So, probably it's not recommended for the most prescious EVA to jump into the molten rock without said equipment. So it probably would be opposing to orders. Don't you think? I guess you don't, you're an idiot.
>That is, Shinji smiling and crying over Rei is him "discovering his inner and caring side", but Rei doing something caring for Shinji is not Rei changing emotionally because....?
Because Rei is established as a very complex character with communication troubles, no self-value, death drive, supposed schizophrenia, and is also unable to properly express herself. Until later, of course. Much much later. Now, when we see this character with essentially the same backstory, and anons here also mentioned that she's nearly the same she was in the original, isn't it obvious that this new type of her behavior is incompatible with her supposed personality, until maybe much much later, of course. Don't get me wrong, obvious waifufag, I like Rei. But you outed yourself here. You WANTED to see Rei act like this, and 2.0, being a pile of faservic-y shit it is, gave you this pleasure. And I remember 2.0 generals, where reifags like you were happy as hell to see Rei acting all doki-doki. What I value in Evangelion is completely different from what YOU value, I see.
>>157292373
Now you're calling revelations of Eva fanservice. Congratulations. So, people being lonely, troubled, abandoned, said things being revealed is all fanservice to you. Great. Fuck off.
>2.0's only haters are themselves otaku butthurt that their waifu wasn't saved by Shinji in the finale
Ha, great, so you are a salty waifufag who's mad at Rei Q. What a waste of my time.

>>157292048
>>157292373
>>157291881
This.

Why wouldn't it be realistic for Rei to also change after Shinji treats her well and communicates with her? That's what happens in the series. It goes to follow that the better Rei is treated, the more she gives back.

>>157292522
>Now you're calling revelations of Eva fanservice.
Your fucked up self-insert fantasy of "the girls wanting to be saved by you" does not count as a revelation of EVA, only a revelation of you. If all you got out of EVA was waifu bullshit, no wonder you don't like 2.0 or 1.0.

>>157292373
>>157292546
>>157292048
>>157292373
sameperson

So, how's the weather in Norway, folks?

>>157292522
>Right, I said "supposedly".
There isn't even a hint that he supposedly went against order either, that was your imagination corrupting the story. Like I suspect you've done for the rest as well. You're the idiot here dude. He was actually on backup that day, that was his job.

So first of all, face it. You're a fanwanking waifufag. You don't understand the original Evangelion and you don't like 1.0 or 2.0 because you're a waifufag, period. You have nothing on them as far as character development and storytelling goes. That's how you're outed.

>Because Rei is established as a very complex character with communication troubles, no self-value, death drive, supposed schizophrenia, and is also unable to properly express herself. Until later, of course. Much much later.

The latter part is wrong. Rei was able to express herself to Shinji in episode six, and earlier with Gendo in episode five, for instance. I get the rest of what you're saying, but as episode six and the rest of NGE shows, Rei does develop in that time.

>Now, when we see this character with essentially the same backstory, and anons here also mentioned that she's nearly the same she was in the original, isn't it obvious that this new type of her behavior is incompatible with her supposed personality,

No, because as read above: your characterization of Rei is wrong, like the rest of how you understood EVA. See episodes six and five, and also Rebuild 1.0. It's not only possible, it's how the original went too. Rei does move towards expressing herself more.

>>157292522
>>157292758
>e. Don't get me wrong, obvious waifufag, I like Rei. But you outed yourself here. You WANTED to see Rei act like this, and 2.0, being a pile of faservic-y shit it is, gave you this pleasure. And I remember 2.0 generals, where reifags like you were happy as hell to see Rei acting all doki-doki. What I value in Evangelion is completely different from what YOU value, I see.

You are simply projecting here - the facts are that 2.0 has been shown multiple times to not be as fanservice-y as you suggest it is, using multiple references to the original story for benchmarking. Whether you like Rei or not is ultimately irrelevant insofar judging the story goes. You simply have a disdain for Rei and Rei fans, which puts you in the only group that disliked 2.0 to begin with. Nasty, buthurt shippers who got jealous at the ending. You don't remember by chance, the hordes of butthurt Asukafags that said Anno had "sold out"? That the more popular girl "won out" due to popularity? There was one anon, probably you, saying just that in this thread.

Despite the fact that even since the 90's, everyone has known that Anno and other writers don't actually like Rei enough to do that, but rather they've been pampering Asuka. Which is what Rebuild has been doing. The thing is, that even if Anno chooses to pander Asuka, Rei, or Gendo they should be allowed provided they actually make a working story out of it. Which thanks to 3.33, has not happened.

What you value in Evangelion is just waifupandering. If that wasn't the case, you'd be able to see the movies for what they are, and accept the development inherent to them and the similarities with the original, rather than being mad just because it touched you badly or something.

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>>157291979
Fact: 1.0 or 2.0 has more character development than 3.0
Fact: NGE has plenty of fanservice and otaku wish fulfillment in the first half
Fact: Rebuild also has fanservice and otaku wish fulfillment in the fist half
Fact: The second half of NGE refines and matures the story set up in the first half
Fact. The second half of Rebuild has so far only delivered fanservice and severely dumbed down the story to the point of complete unrealism

Fact: You are so embarrassed of your real opinion of Evangelion that you cover them up in lies.

Come on. I've seen Asukafags and Kaworufags admit they were butthurt about 2.0 because of the ending, not so much about the story. Because about 2.0, or 1.0, there's nothing you can't criticize that isn't the result of Movie Adaptation Syndrome. Most people will actually agree with you on that, so there's no need for you to disguise your waifufaggotry.

>>157292953
I don't think it should really matter in-house about what people think of the character. If they didn't like it they should have changed it, unless she was pushed by PR to meet some sort of quota.

Having watched it all very very recently I can say that she had very little screen time though. I had figured she'd have been a lot more important.

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>>157292758
I see no arguments here at all. Only blatant attacks and rage at my arguments. You're obviously mad because I'm right. I'm already tired of it.
>Rei was able to express herself to Shinji in episode six
Uh-huh, after he told her how to do it.
>and earlier with Gendo in episode five
Well, yes, she's all over Gendo, since he's the person who raised her and whose will she values the most.
>Rei does move towards expressing herself more.
That's what I said, much much later and not to the extent she does in Rebuild, where she doesn't act like a person who was raised in a dark room with no friends and values. She acts like a shy girl who wants to bang a guy, something reifags like you would want to see, of course.
Alright, I'm out, I think every sane person who takes a look at this thread can see how retarded you are and how many times you outed yourself.
>>157292953
Another blatant samefagging post full of rage. No arguments spotted.
I'm also not an Asukafag, FYI.
>What you value in Evangelion is just waifupandering.
I think you're the one who's projecting. Continue wasting your time posting empty shit, it's amusing
>>157293085
And another samefagging shitpost, wow, you're fast, and it's as empty as the other two.
Happy Norway Constitution Day, faggot.
Sincerely yours, Annoposter.

>>157293186
>I don't think it should really matter in-house about what people think of the character.

Unfortunately, it does. How do you think the 3.0 """fans""" exist? They like 3.33 simply because it panders to them, it delivers Asuka radically differently from the original, where she was a weak puppet to NERV. Similarly Rei gets the opposite treatment. Anno is an otaku, just like these people - he makes works to pander to them as to himself.

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>>157293247
>no argument
Stop crying because you got wrecked. You've been samfagging your shitty anti-2.0 opinion all thread and now you've bowing out in disgrace. For shame, it truly shows that only waifufags like 3.33.

>>157293260
I mean specifically during NGE's development.
To be honest I don't really count the Rebuilds in my discussions since I haven't watched them and I should have put that in my original post.
I mostly keep to NGE becuase it was the source material that's the least affected by outside sources.

>>157282957
So it's just like every Eva thread.

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>>157293247
>Alright, I'm out, I think every sane person who takes a look at this thread can see how retarded you are and how many times you outed yourself.

Actually, no. You've outed yourself to be a recurring, samefagging shitposter. Good job on that, retard. But let's review, just so you understand how dumb you are:

>Uh-huh, after he told her how to do it.
So how do you explain Rei smiling to Gendo an episode earlier? The point is, you turbo-autist, that Rei is a lonely inexpressive girl that responds well to communication and care. Then why does it matter if Shinji suggested that she smiles? THATS THE POINT - Rei improves her social skills with more social contact. You're just mad at Rei because she gets to be LESS autistic than you.

>That's what I said, much much later and not to the extent she does in Rebuild,

In Rebuild, the extent to which Rei is shown care, attention and communication is also improved. More positive and reinforcing interaction -> more outgoing and expressive Rei. It's extremely easy and everyone except the most devout Rei-hating asukashipper gets this.

>where she doesn't act like a person who was raised in a dark room with no friends and values. She acts like a shy girl who wants to bang a guy, something reifags like you would want to see, of course.
No, that's your incredibly shitty interpretation, you're a filthy retarded otaku who can't see Evangelion in any other way, and you exposed yourself earlier with your ridiculous fantasy about "how the girls wanted to be saved by you". I don't even get why you keep embarrasing yourself, I should screencap your posts "Annoposter" and repost them every time to expose just how shallow you are.

You get a whopping ZERO Anno's out of ten. Congratulations on showing that your opinion is literally fake otaku BS.

>>157293596
>To be honest I don't really count the Rebuilds in my discussions since I haven't watched them and I should have put that in my original post.
>I mostly keep to NGE becuase it was the source material that's the least affected by outside sources.

That's good for you. Too many people mix and match what they want from the franchise and propose retarded fanwank because of it.

>I mean specifically during NGE's development.
It was a different time. Anno didn't have the luxury of jerking himself off with waifus, he had to actually deliver quality. The network demanded it, and controlled him. Originally, Anno wanted to apologize live on television instead of releasing the two final episodes. The network refused, and the rest is history.

If Anno had gotten his way, NGE would be considered copout otaku trash rather than a thought-provoking classic.

>>157293619
Every time, the same butthurt asukafags and kaworufags fail to have civil discourse and get blown the fuck out. I remember when they actually tried defending WILLE and NERV in 3.33 while shitting on Shinji. Now they just go straight to shitposting - you'd think that these insane fuckers would see reason after failing to prove even a single thing right about their PoV.

I can't wait for the Eva vs Godzilla movie

>>157293898
You do realize you're among the newfags, yes?

>>157293971
You do realize you're among the retards, yes? I'm not going to say you're a newfag, because chances are you're a simply just a retard who's mad that 3.33 got called out for the garbage it was.

>>157294038
You do realize you're living in your own little world and no sane person supports your waifufag opinion?

>>157294038
I never brought up 3.33. I'm not even upset either, I'm just reminding you you're a newfag as well.

>>157294077
You do realize you're living in your own little world and no sane person supports your waifufag opinion?

I'm starting to suspect that this reifag is either fucked in the head or just baiting. He's just shitposting all over again.

>>157294077
3.33 is considered shit buddy. Sorry, but only otaku tards actually liked 3.33. It got panned at the cinema and only supported by eva otaku who are also waifufags. Pretty much everyone important from Hiroki Azuma to Shirow thought it was crap. Literally the worst rated Evangelion movie ever made by moviegoers. Literally couldn't outsell 2.0's first week sales despite having ten times the hype and audience. At Evangelion scale, it's a flow.

Hence why Anno is so fucking embarrased about it he gave up on it, and four years later there's still no interview release like with the previous ones. It was and always will be, trash for waifufaggots such as yourself.

So rebuild4 when? I need to know the extend of Anno's trolling.

> watched evangelion
> became a christian

>>157293770
I don't really care about this 'fan wank' or Anno bashing shit desu. I hust wanna talk about this series and characters, how they became that way, and I want to learn more about the world and point fun at the stuff that doesn't make sense.

Like how the Eva Launch Tubes don't exist and given NERV's location would be impossible to send them to the surface the way they do.
That stuff is dumb and fun to talk about.
Discussing fan theories over scraps of info Anno said or did for the unoteenth time isn't fun.
Boogymaning and labeling people who like the same thing as you do isn't fun.

>>157294194
>but only otaku tards actually liked 3.33.
[citation needed]

>>157294194
>but only otaku tards actually liked 3.33
You mean, 2.0? Yes it's true, it was well received by Japanese otaku, who are nearly all reifags.

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>>157294337

>it's this crazy reifag again
this is going too far, we need moot

It's well documented that these people are devastatingly assblasted by the Rebuilds, no matter which installment they think panders to otaku. Everyone knows the continuations are divisive. So why is it that these people feel the uncontrollable need to ruin every single Eva thread with their pitiable squabbling over who is in the right about hating what? Every thread. Every single thread. Imagine having so little self-control that you cannot contain your surge of self-righteous whining whenever Evangelion is being discussed even in an entirely different context. Imagine never managing to exorcise it from your system, leading to a fervent repetition of this same tired waifufag and witch hunting tread, over and over and over and over again.
Loop theory truly is real.

>>157295409
It's just that retarded reifag, nobody's blaming anyone except for him

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>>157293659
>Basically NO U the post
Well, you're ridiculing yourself so much it's impossible NOT to reply to your shitposts, so others can enjoy this.
>Actually, no. You've outed yourself to be a recurring, samefagging shitposter.
Hmm, so where's the argument and proof for that fine statement.
>The point is, you turbo-autist, that Rei is a lonely inexpressive girl that responds well to communication and care.
So, that's my point. She's slowly developing her social skills, slowly, like any person of her upbringing would. Not all doki-doki in a few days like she is in Rebuild. But you seem to like that new lame excuse of a character, waifufag. Shows how much of an "Eva fan" you are.
>You're just mad at Rei because she gets to be LESS autistic than you.
>REEEEEE YOU AUTIST
Well, another great argument, I see.
>In Rebuild, the extent to which Rei is shown care, attention and communication is also improved. More positive and reinforcing interaction -> more outgoing and expressive Rei.
Which is also fanservice. Basically the whole cast is a big loving family who care about each other. No mental problems. no hate, no death drives, nothing. So, basically what I was saying. And no, there's no much greater extent of care, actually. Especially for a person like Rei to develop so fast. It's obvious for any reasonable person, but you're not one.
>you're a filthy retarded otaku who can't see Evangelion in any other way, and you exposed yourself earlier with your ridiculous fantasy about "how the girls wanted to be saved by you"
>REEEEEEEE OTAKU WAIFUFAG
This is almost funny if it wasn't so sad. So, Rei's mental stabilization after Gendo saves her is my fantasy? Asuka's reaction to Shinji saving her is my fantasy? So, when a person wants to be cared about is my fantasy? Wow.
> I should screencap your posts "Annoposter" and repost them every time to expose just how shallow you are
Well, go ahead. It will be even funnier. I'll screencap your posts and you'll screencap mine.

>>157295409
It's just proof that Norway should be banned from using /a/.

I cant find Evangelion TV raw on nyaa.si and nyaa.pantsu.cat...

>>157296427
Are you seriously that retarded?

>>157296544
Just help me please

>>157296294
>So, when a person wants to be cared about is my fantasy?
Yes ;_;

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>>157296294
Please, you just got BTFO and playing it off won't work you sad autist. You're so mad that Rei develops more when she gets treated a little better, even if it's completely realistic. I mean, you probably even know the dinner-thing was something Anno planned for the original NGE as well, only he didn't have time for it, but you still try so hard, it's sad.

>Anno: With Rei, for some reason, i just feel it happened like that naturally. I never remember why it happened that way. Regarding Rei’s dinner party for Shinji and Gendo, that was originally a plot I had thought of using for episode 4 of the TV series. I remembered it and thought I would include it this time.

There's literally no one but you who thinks it's unrealistic and out of place, and the whole idea about it being something "never thought of" for pandering is pure paranoia. So the problem is your hypocrisy on the matter, you fantasize about the girls "just wanting to be saved" and that this is deep and not pandering, but somehow more well-founded development in the Rebuilds - isn't.

You have no arguments except vitriol.

>>157295409
>Everyone knows the continuations are divisive. So why is it that these people feel the uncontrollable need to ruin every single Eva thread with their pitiable squabbling over who is in the right about hating what?

Well you've seen them - these people ruin EVA thread regardless if they are about the Rebuilds or the originals. You have one retard who stalks these threads defending 3.33 by calling names rather than arguing why 3.33 is good. It's some autist that got butthurt by 2.0 and still hasn't forgotten 8 years later. It's this samefag:
>>157296421
>>157296294
>>157295660

in this thread, in another thread, another. If everyone could quit lying about Evangelion, we wouldn't have this problem. You are part of it too, for asking pointless questions you know the answer to. If you want to talk Evangelion, then be prepared to step up your game.

>>157294267
Well like it or not anon, that is the actual answer to your question. As for the EVA chutes, the network runs underground through tunnels. The layer between the city area and the top of the geofront is pretty thick, and there's plenty of opportunity for a train route to bring it up alongside the edge.

tl;dr they go around.

>>157299203
Pretty slow ass way to make it to the upper level. I refuse to believe it without proofs.

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>>157296982
I found some bd rip with subs of eva yesterday
just goodle said name +bd and try 5 diffrent, one is alive and well

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>>157299455
They have a very, very fast track. It's an electromagnetically powered thing which launches the EVA like from a railgun. We also see in some episodes old-style train-track line panels, they are a little like the "subway maps" you see in some cities.

I think it's reasonable to assume also they don't show the entire descent. Although if I were in charge of EVA, I would do it at least once to show off the scale. It could be pretty awesome with a large low-booming rumble in the giant underground halls which the EVA passes through.

>>157299830
It would. You're not wrong.
And while the train might make sense I don't think the tracks would be wide enough for an eva unit. These fucks are tall and heavy.

>>157299830
I would love to see the entire recovery procedure for an Eva in real time. Maybe with the pilots stuck on board to complain and set up character stuff on top of it. But I'm basically retarded.

>>157300093
>>157300099
Take a look at this webm: >>157299561

You see the panels at the end? These don't necessarily mean they are going "up", but actually in any arbitrary direction - they only connect points. A reference for train otaku folks, likely. Anyway they could go around.

>>157294194
Man 3.33 was shit.
>didn't even outsell 2.0's first week sales
brutal

So is rebuild4 going to the Half-Life 3 of anime?

>>157300532
People actually want Half Life 3. The third rebuild was so unforgivably shit it killed all interest in a fourth movie.

The only reason we discuss rebuild 4 is because it'll be the funeral of the Rebuild series. You know it's dead, and you know the funeral is coming, and you know it'll just go through the ritualistic, dead motions until we all exit and say "condolences" to everyone bereaved of a good movie series. Except since it's Eva we may say "CONGRATULATIONS" instead.

>>157300327
Still painted as linear af. As I said in that thread too, it's still moving directly up and a few tram switches.
Also now that I think about it, we'd see these trams fucking everywhere in the city. and under it given how many exit points there must be.

>>157300661
Well this is a train "map". A straight line does not neccessarily mean the track goes in a straight line.

It goes up for some parts of the track, but it doesn't go up all the time. It goes around.

>>157300814
Still it's implying that it's going super god damn fast.
Unless it's just plot a course, in which case it's still going super god damn fast.

>>157300426
>>157300614
The glorious, delicious irony that rebuild3's subtitle was You Can (Not) Redo

Anno trolled himself

>>157300614
>all interest
/a/'s interest isn't "all interest" by any means.

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>>157300614
>tfw you told all those retards all those years ago that Rebuild 4 would take forever to come out because Anno sperged too hard with the third

keep laughing as I remember all those dumb 3.33 apologists

>B-UT ITS HALF A MOVIE THE REST WILL AIR SOON
>B-BUT IT WILL BE OUT NEXT MONTH
>BUT THEY WILL PATCH IT WITH THE BLU-RAY RELEASE

The fans of Rebuild 3 can't even be considered human, they're too dumb

>>157301256
It's everywhere. You need to go to wretched otaku hives of scum and villainy like evageeks or worse to find some dissenting opinion there. 3.33 was shit anon, and you are shit for liking it.

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>>157300877
That webm is Maya programming the route. Launch isn't much slower.

>>157301686
Webum shows it's going by street.
Also given Shinji's reaction, that's an intense fucking ride even inside LCL.

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so why did shinji strangle asuka

>>157302130
She's a huge fucking bitch that made his life crappy. Simple as. Lot of resentment there. Asuka is also represents "escapism", so after Rei who represents realism brings Shinji out of his funk, Shinji choking Asuka makes narrative sense.

>>157302207
I've yet to watch the rebuilds; is there any chance at a happy ending between them where they reconcile, doesn't even have to be romantic

>>157289964
>posting your own shitty tumblr art
You've lost it now.

>>157302317
Probably since Rebuild is Asuka-fan friendly fanwank.

>>157302334
>>157290309
>>157291164
100% tumblrtriggered

>>157278857
Itll happen over time, and the world is a big place

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>>157302317
Read the RE-TAKE doujin series in order from 1-4 than 0 and than Awake. This is the closest thing thing you will legitimately ever get to a happy ending. Not even kidding.

>>157291164
It's probably their own tumblr

>>157302130
You see anyone else there to strangle?

>>157302451
Studio K is shit. Fuck outta here.

>>157294160
This wouldn't have to happen if people stopped responding and just reported his ass.
He's the sole reason why Eva threads are so shit.

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>>157302451
>uniroincally recommending RE-TAKE
>a doujin tailor made for pathetic fat lonely otaku loser asukafags who hate evangelion

Neck yourself my man.

>>157302130
Because she had pushed him to the psychological limit. Even betas have a breaking point.

>>157302626
I don't even particularly love Asuka, but I think it fits well enough to be believable.

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tfw Rei will always be best girl

How do Asukafags even live with themselves knowing Asuka is will always be garbage compared to Rei?

>>157302743
Rei is a pretty good choice too. I like Rei as much as Asuka.

>>157302681
>but I think it fits well enough to be believable.
Not even close, even the modaetei Asuka rape doujins are uniroincally more realistic.

>hurr dur make asuka into a super special snowflake that watches shinji
>makes asuka into a waifu grill
>makes rei hang herself in the most ooc character ever
>asuka 100% OOC
>hell everyone including Shinji is OOC

Not believable, and you're a dumb Asukafag.

>>157302681
>I don't even particularly love Asuka
Considering Asuka is depicted as a lustful sex-addicted child, it's true that you might not love Asuka at all if you like the way she's depicted in Re-Take.

>>157302763
As long as you accept that Rei is on paper better than Asuka, you're a fine Eva fan regardless of who you like more.