So this is the anime god of symbolism and deepness

>>157225931
that fucking beard
it always triggers me

he's in position where he can pretend not to care

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>>157226662
New season when?

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>>157226353
>pretend

>>157226868
>>157226868
Love that fucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMuaXIlckU

>>157226868
He had a point.

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>>157228948
He makes a lot of good points in that whole interview.

>>157229204

>"Shinji reflects my character, both in conscious and unconcious part

fucking mad man, he self insert in his own work and put 3 waifus next to him


>"They (Japanese) can't handle strong women such as Misato and Asuka."

And there goes my respect for Anno. Fucking SJW nip

>>157229688
>Anno's a SJW because he calls out Japs as beta nu-male faggots
Okay.

>>157229688
>"Fucking Jap Pussies can't handle women who make them feal weaker emotionally/physically"
>Wow what an SJW
You're a faggot

>>157229204
This guys calls out anime creators as autists yet this entire interview comes off as incredibly autistic.

>>157229688
How the hell is that SJW? God, I fucking hate this place.

>>157229931
Anno actually has autism though

>>157225931
Anno has repeatedly stated that the Christian symbolism in NGE is nothing more than stylistic. It has no deeper meaning. I'm not surprised even the title of the series means nothing

>>157225931
>2017
>still taking the Anno pill

>>157229972
>People still forcing this meme

Just because it's not intended to have a deeper meaning doesn't mean there is none.

All religious references are all perfect metaphors/reflections of the characters and the plot. Choosing religion may have been random, but non religious reference falls out of place relative to the plot or theme.

Not to mention Anno is autistic as fuck, so I wouldn't take the "translated" interviews at face value if they don't pick up his nuance.

>>157229204
Otaku likes Rei because muh doll/ submissive girl
For Asuka bisedes Anno, is just muh Tsundere
Misato is for Cakefags, a rare thing in nipland

Misato is Asuka
Ritsuko is Rei
Kaji is Shinji

>>157229204
>asuka/misato
>strong womens
lmao

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>>157229972
It's more like allusion, not exactly symbolism.

>>157229932
An entire race of men can't handle strong women? How can you read such trash and not understand its foundations?

>>157229742
>>157229911
>>157229932
Feminism at it's finest. See Ghostbusters portrayal of men and women.

why do people say rei is submissive ? she slapped shinji when he talked shit about his father.

>>157230580
But she did nothing but give him the cold shoulder when he literally hopped on top of her and slid straight to second base.

>>157230629
because she was not scare of him ?

>>157230290
Especially in EoE, it goes too far to have it still be just allusions, it's full blown christian symbolism thrown in your face for a large chunk of that movie. You've got MP Evas with angle wings, crosses out the wazoo all over Earth, characters straight up saying that Unit 01 and/or Rei is the new God, Adam and Eva, etc. etc.

>>157230629
he fell on top of her accidentally and Rei was observant enough to recognize that fact. she doesn't really seem to have a sexual side at all and her breast getting touched is just like any other part of her body to her

>>157230674
I forget to see this, what exactly are you trying to approach the subject of symbolism? Especially on Anno's part on this? No, tell me, give me your interpretation of the metaphysical that you people praise so much for?

>>157225931
He pretends Eva doesn't mean anything because he's tired of retards like that guy asking questions about it
>robot-looking thing
It's not that complicated of a show

>>157230764
Yeah, "accident" after he "accidentally" entered her apartment uninvited and "accidentally" decided to start fucking with her property.

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>>157225931
The concept of EVAs were basing off of Japanese Oni. That's it.

>>157230908
Watch that scene again, he accidentally fell on top of her. He intentionally entered her apartment but didn't know she was even home.

Kinda unrelated does there happen to be a schematic for the NERV base?
finished the series a couple days ago and I'm still fucking confused on where exactly the base is located inside Tokyo 3.

>>157229204
>Nips like inferior waifus like Rei because they're weak and unmanly

Anno is absolute god-tier in this interview.

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>>157225931
Anno is a liar and is just a humble fuck hiding his autisticness

Pic very related

>>157229204
His prediction on the anime industry is spot on.

>>157231136
Also somthing that the animu didn't seem to cover was Unit 01 being Yui. I think it mentioned it once or something but how exactly did it happen?

>>157231390
Second
that nigga saw the future

a lot of the good animu comes from blending shit from outside into the medium instead of circling in on itself like a snake eating its own tail

>>157231390
>>157231439
>Death and rebirth of anime in five years.
Ahahahahaha! Bitch please! Anno is an idiot. Anime is already dead and the industry is running a corpse, not a rebirth.

>>157231439
That's something Gainax was always very good at. Unlike Trigger almost all their products at the end of the day were incredibly different even down to the setting

>>157231417
She got LCL'd into it, I don't recall exactly why though

>>157229204
>most anime makers are basically autistic
Truly, a man ahead of his time.

>>157231618
That's not what he said though. He's saying both the people watching and the people working in the industry should go outside more often.

>>157229911
>>157229742
>>157229932

Are you a Leaf?

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>>157230490
Butthurt fag gets told on 4chan. Claims Feminist agenda. No one cares. Adorable.

Is this real life?

>>157231869
> Should go
Ok, those working in the industry are fucking dying of overwork, but guess what, the choose to do so because they are in the position of working in a place similar to a sweatshop with very minimal pay, but that is the thing. That's the only thing they have. Seriously, at this point, working in a ramen shop is better pay, but the anime industry is the only thing they have for a living while dealing with eating a cup ramen, day-in and day-out. Sure, they should go out more, at the cost of no-pay compared to shitty pay, but that is still something. Mind you, there needs to be reform, but this country is rather conservative. People working have no chance and you tell them they should go out more. It's like guy who is obese saying he is going to starve in front of the guy who is skin and bones.
> People watching.
What else are they going to do, sight-see? Mind you, this is a rather conservative country, life there is rather boring. Seriously, they made all kinds of crap focusing on America or politics. And you think there's alot to explore.

>>157232162
> Butthurt EVAfags get told on 4chan for their ignorance of the issue.
> They don't understand modern-day feminism
> They say they don't care, but they replied anyway.
How fucking cute. Is this real-life. Here I am just mocking you.

>>157232483
Let me guess, anon gets called out for punctuation, then called out for parrot, or the EVAfag ends up making some half-assed reply towards feminism despite the fact that they were ignorant.

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>>157231672
But is that the only attribution that 01 has to her? is she the soul of it?

Also I found 'blueprints' to the NERv base but now I'm even more confused. How do they get the EVAs to the surface? EoE has shown that NERV is underneath the surface that's under Tokyo-3 so how do they get them up there? Is NERV that big?

>>157230674
Most of those are "IN YOU FACE" symbolism. You have to never heard about Christianity not to get those things.
There is, however, a LOT of much harder to get religious references. Anno put a fucking lot autistic detail behind the design of the series. He just wont admit it.
Most if not all angels have concept derivative from their namesake. For instance, the one with the paper arms name translate into "Arm of God", the possessed Eva translate to "Humiliated Son of God".
The point is, that is just world building, and dont hold any deeper meaning that their appearance.

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>>157230674
>>157230815

Evangelion is loaded with symbolism relative to the themes of the series and the concepts the main characters represent, but all of the Biblical imagery and terms are purely aesthetic. There are no Christ-metaphors. I guess you could say the Death&Rebirth of humanity during Instrumentality are Biblical allusions, but those aren't really pertinent to what Eva is about, they just tie into the stylistic trappings.

Human relationships between the self and others, the hedgehog's dilemma, and "leaving the womb" are really the most central themes of the show

>>157231417
>>157231672

Yui had herself absorbed into Eva-01's then-dormant core on purpose, to become immortal and float through space as a permanent representative of humanity's existence. And also to give herself control of the outcome of Instrumentality, which she knew SEELE was planning to enact and she wanted to prevent them turning everyone into tang

>>157232942
> Same stock reply of EVA SYMBOLISM
> Interpersonal relations
Sure, ok. Why not?
>leaving the womb
Maturity or growth, mere hypocrisy by the end.

>>157232765
Yui got liquified into LCL like shinji did, it was the "event that happened 10 years ago" ritsuko talked about. The entirety of Yui's body, mind and soul reside inside the EVA. She is the personality of 01.
There are a bunch of dead failed EVAs under nerv HQ. There gotta be a reason why they dont work.
On the other hand, all the evas we see working with detail (unit 00, 01 and 02), have souls on it.

So i assume the evas are soulless useless bodies unless you put some soul in them, and i dont think Nerv can CREATE souls, so you gotta put people on it. The Evas with soul then start working, but will only accept people with deep emotional bond.

>>157233285
I had somehow taken away that the EVa units needed a soul in them that was related to them in some way. this was just my retarded hypothesis at the time and I don't remember what it was that made me think it, but I had figured at one point that the reason specific pilots were needed was because of their relationship to the soul in the EVA unit.
Obviously now it doesn't make sense I had though:

Asuka Mom in 02:
Toji Sister in Unit 03.

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>>157232942
>There are no Christ-metaphors
As Shinji is getting crucified with 01 and becomes the new god of humanity, he recieves stigmata. He also gives humanity a new chance to live (although he isnt a pure savior. It is strongly implied he was also the reason everyone got tanged in the first place).
The metaphor is there, at least some of it.

>>157233440
thats symbolism son, not a metaphor.

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>>157233110

>Maturity or growth, mere hypocrisy by the end.

what did he mean by this

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Look at this fuck.

>>157233440

"Shinji as Jesus" is really the only Biblical metaphor you could come close to justifying, and even that's a stretch that could only be applicable to events in EoE. Shinji is way too fucked up to be a stand-in for Christ though and more in need of a savior himself.

>>157230580

Because she is constantly obeying orders with no regard for herself, for which Asuka hates her. She's basically Gendo's puppet until rejecting him in EoE. That's why she slapped Shinji, because his dad who he insulted was the person she was closest to.

>>157233382
Well, asuka mom soul is right. She is in unit 02. Im trying to find real source to this shit, but all i can find link back to Evageeks.
But if i remember correctly, the theory / explanation is: Asuka mom, a researcher at Nerv, did a experiment with 02 similar to what Yui did with 01, and an accident happened. The part of her soul that loved asuka got stuck into 02, part was recovered, but went crazy because of having a fucked up soul.
Asuka them is chosen to become a pilot because 02 will accept her.

Very little is known about toji, but it is assumed it was his dead mother, also savaged into an eva. But who knows what Nerv/Seele could do with his sister while she was in the hospital.

>>157225931
Everything wrong with Evangelion only makes it better.

>>157233603
>>157233495

Ok, I guess i got it wrong, it was more symbolism than metaphor. He doesnt match nearly anything, was just put in a similar situation.

>>157229931
>>157229953

takes one to know one, they say

>>157229204
Is this real? Not edited?

>>157233382
>>157233736
yeah Toji kinda stops being relevant after he gets out of the EVA unit. I've not watched the rebuilds so I couldn't tell you if it was because of budget issues in the original series or if he actually just stopped being relevant.

>>157229953
"Anno" re-arranged spells "Anon"
we really are the Neon Genesis Evangelion

>>157233774

Don't worry there was a time I subscribed to the "Shinji-Jesus" metaphor theory as well. It could be argued but I don't think it holds up, and the Japs don't care too much about Christian theology for it to be something Anno would make central to the series anyway

>>157233382
>>157233736

Unit00 soul: kid Rei (or Ritsuko's mom Dr. Akagi) (or has a soulless core, and is only operable by Rei since she is Lilith and can control an Eva similar to how Kaworu/Adam does)
Unit01 soul: Yui
Unit02 soul: Asuka's mom's motherly half
Unit03 soul: Toji's mom most likely, all of the kids in Shinji's class have one dead parent or are orphans I believe

>>157234099
Evageeks has settled on it being Rei I inside Unit 00 on account of how it tries to kill first Gendo then Dr. Akagi
Though its weird because i remember Rei (II) was also in Unit 00's way in the control box when it tried to turn Akagi into paste so eh

>>157233603
shinji was the fucking Messiah, even in the latin dub of the main title song they call him Messiah.

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>>157234195
The Latin dub actually did a cover on the song?

>>157233774
>>157233934
>>157233440
> Crucifixion
> Martyr
> Jesus
The aspect is rather not accurate in consideration of Shinji not really a martyr. Jesus was a martyr, not Shinji

>>157229688
I thought Anno hated the west and adopted western ideals. How fucking amusing.

>>157234099
>>157234183
here's another ones of my questions senpai.
after watching EoE, Asuka's last line kinda fucked me over a bit.

Given how the ending of the series they jump around all over the fucking place and I can't tell what's real or fake.
Did that scene with Asuka bullying Shinji around the table and than him choking her out actually happen?

If not then is that Asuka at the end the Asuka in Shinji's mind? otherwise why would she call him disgusting, even after showing him affection?

>>157234099
>>157234183
Shinji has a jump scare with kid Rei (Rei I) when he tries to activate it, so i believe she was inside.
>Rei (II) was also in Unit 00's way in the control box
Kid Rei seem really disturbed and even a little evil.

She is one of the most confusing plot points of the entire story for me. She is also a fragment of Lilith's soul? Was Rei I more "complete" personality wise, but dying split her soul and Rei II is much more docile?

>>157234195
>latin dub
Shinji is literally filled with sin.

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>>157226868
The last two episodes really were not that bad, it closed everything out nicely considering the deconstruction of the main cast leading up to the finale. I honestly feel like its a meme that the last two episodes were bad.

>>157234342
Anno is premium tier hypocrite.
He is SUPER otaku, asuka was his waifu, hes super nerdy.
And yet he strongly advocate against this lifestyle.

>>157234343
To the first one, i had assumed it was a skit manifesting itself out of the emotions between them while they were both Tang'd since it was in the context of a whole bunch of other skits like kid shinji in the playground and another ride on the introspection train

On the beach i can guess its yet another manifestation of the horribly mixed emotions between them. Caring and hurt, hate and relief. Those two are codependent and they still have to work that out as survivors.

Whether they kill each other or ultimately help after the end of the movie i think is left to the viewer.

>>157234445
I don't think he is a hypocrite as much as he hates himself, EVA reflected that in a sense I believe with the whole "Shinji needs to learn to love himself." and the ultimate message that its okay to go outside and interact with other people.

>>157234431
newfriend to the series here. I actually kinda liked the resolution in the last two episodes.. desu the only one I think I didn't really like was the Kaworu episode where he's only alive for that one episode, somehwat completely changes shinji's character and then dies. I can't really say I hate him since I don't really get it, but it felt so different and out of place and didn't really do much for the plot. he failed in the end after accomplishing nothing.

>>157234431
>But it didnt end with muh action shounen battle
The entire series was shaping up to some epiphany shit that help them improve their lives (or a bad end resulting in permanent mental damage to the characters, but it wasnt really the case). The TV ending delivered this epiphany just right, although in a different way from what anno originally imagined (which was EoE)

>>157234484
That last line was an incomplete thought

What i meant was whether they allow their relationship to kill each other or ultimately help each other despite the costs is up in the air

Shinji finally accepts the risk of it being a Bad End when you actually open yourself up

>>157234484
somewhat unrelated but after finishing NieR Automata before this, I sorta immediately saw the references to EVA with the choking and the love hate thing.

>>157234517
Whenever you bring kaworu character up, the thread WILL become a shitstorm.
Being present in a single episode and a few scenes in EoE, his true intentions have way too many interpretations.

I will dig in the archives for a while and get my interpretation of his character. But i think he did what he did not for shinji, but for humanity and for himself. Shinji just happened to be there and got hurt in the process.

>>157234445
when will you dorks get this
He doesnt hate otaku, he IS otaku, and he said himself he hates people that hate otaku AS SUCH

He just wishes otaku did more than just otaku-ing all fucking day

you can be both an otaku and be a well rounded damn person with varied interests at the same time is all he says

>>157234343
I think that both the first chocking scene and the second are real. I will dig my old explanations in a sec.

>>157234517
>kaworu
gg thred
not your fault anon
just head for the bunker

>>157234517
>>157234626
My personal view on Kaworu, feel free to discuss about it. No Rebuilds considered.

As of EoE, we know that he is an embodiment of "like/love". Thats his personality. He dont act lovable just to shinji, he tries to be a nice guy around everyone.
As he is "love" he loves all humanity, he is impressed by their achievements, he enjoys music, etc. But he knows that, because of his origin, he is fated to either destroy humanity or die before it. He chooses to die instead. (Eva was never about "fighting fate", so there is no reason to assume he could just fuck off and never trigger third impact. That isnt the point of the series.)

The problem is, kaworu, not being really human, has difficulties to understand how humans work, and how they will react. He knew shinji was the only one able to kill him, so he went and befriended his executioner, as a zen way to go off. I think he wanted to send shinji, and all humanity, the message that he was fine dying for humanity to live. I dont think he was acting towards shinji any different than he would act to anyone else in the same position.

But he didnt really understood shinji, and he had no idea how dependent on his "lovely" ways shinji would quickly become, and what his death would mean to the poor boy. Kaworu might not even consider the concept of death the same way as normal humans do, as he gets to tag along as a spirit in the LCL. To shinji, death is something much more permanent and serious.

>>157230490
Bill Murray being awesome and getting prime Sig Weaver
It's not like he was a nu-male like the neighbor who turned into a dog

>>157230252
He means "real" as opposed to the usual popular female characters that are idealized. He is basically saying "no" to escapism.

>>157234668
>>157234626
please let me know what you find senpai.
even if thread goes to shit, i'll still be here willing to listen.

>>157234671
>>157234626
Attempted to avoid that but what are you gonna do?
Just want to get these thoughts on the board while we're still civil and while this is all still kind of fresh.

>>157225931
>God
>pussies out over death threats and actually rewrites his ending

No he's just a pretentious faggot who got the right company to back him by sucking dick.

>>157234699
I mean I guess? I wanna say it's a bit more simple than that.
If he's born from Adam than wouldn't he have some sort of disdain for Lilin's?
I had kind of felt he was sort of binary on his goal, but did pretty much everything he could to make sure that it would go off without a hitch. He can sense human emotion so I had figured he had just pushed Shinji's buttons and told him what he would want to hear.

And if he hadn't learned that the Angel was Lilith and not Adam he would have succeeded. There's only so much you can really speculate during one episode, so honestly that's the extent I'm willing to think of it on. The series sort of forgot about him except for in EoE - hell he wasn't even in 25 or 26 - so I followed that too.

>>157234668
>>157234343
Starting from my particular view of the first choking scene:
>It is a direct continuation of the Kaji scene in episode 24'.
>Shinji tells asuka about kaji death.
>Asuka breaks down.
>Shinji probably tries to confort her in a autistic way.
>She knows shinji only doing that not for her good, but for himself not feel alone as she is his last "friend".
>She hates it. She hates to be used as a "doll", instead of seen as a person.
>She calls him out on that.
>When Misato and Rei showed problems that take real effort to overcome, he abandoned both of them.
>Shinji feels outed, exposed by her answer. He knows he is a little manipulative asshole. Just like his father.
>He has a meltdown and chokes her.
>Snaps back at the last moment
>She runs away in despair
>Week later she is found attempting suicide, either by starvation or cut wrists, whichever you want to believe.

About the second choking scene, this one is easier.
>Asuka is the first one to come back from the instrumentality.
>There is some discussion about that, but shinji probably spent a while alone. At least a few weeks. (he made a makeshift grave for misato with her pendant and it was rusting)
>He sees asuka. (And Rei popping out for a second, watching them)
>He chokes her. Some theories say its to check if its reality, because in the LCL dream "suffering" didnt exist.
>Asuka gives him a small caress and he starts to cry.
>She then call him on his jerking off bullshit because she saw his memories during instrumentality.

If anything, im much more interested by the fact that when she woke up, certainly confused, with shinji trying to kill her again, her very first instinctive action was to give him a small caress. After that was done she called him disgusting about the jerking off thing. I say its a improvement on her character thanks to the instrumentality / epiphany. I say it is a dash of forgiveness, which is really important at that point

>>157234982
The first part checks out and seems like it would make sense. So I'll buy that no fucking problem.
Thanks.

As for the second part, I want to believe that.
But this series had some fucking suffering in it and I'm willing to think it's the last jab in the gut.
Asuka calls him disgusting during their scuffle, -though correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she remember him jacking off to her in that scene? doesn't she mention it or am I thinking of one of the dream sequences?- and as a reference to that at the end, she also calls him disgusting as a sign that shit between them hasn't changed and she still feels the same way about him.

>>157234343
Oh, and answering this question:
>otherwise why would she call him disgusting, even after showing him affection?
Because she DOES think what he did was disgusting. Its not gonna change. He did jerk off to her while she was in a coma. It doesnt mean it cant be forgiven. Its not like she treated him any better.

>>157234431

can someone edit that sign saying "I need feminism because Japan cannot handle strong women like my waifu"?

Thanks

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>>157234633
Except for the part he didn't criticize fujoshi at all, he only hates waifuists for some reason.

>>157234982
Large chunk of that interpretation is convincing but i feel as if it would be communicated whether it happened in 'reality' or between them within Instrumentality

The thing is there was a long time between Kaji's death and whenever Asuka would plausibly find out, since she calls Kaji's phone over and over even after he died

And you find her in the tub later on in the house that used to be Hikari's so its not her being in there out of a reaction to Shinji but her desire to escape *everything* and still hiding out at Hikari's house even though Hikari had already moved away and the house itself got bombed out because of the halo angel and Unit 00's self destruction

>>157226062
His beard looks rather nappy.

>>157235158
desu she treated him the worst out of all of them barring Gendo.
I love Asuka's character primarily because she's self-destructive but also because she's completely believable as a character in this sort of story.

I feel awful for her, and while I'll never say she deserved it, I will say that her character did almost nothing to make any of these situations better. She wanted to be wanted and loved that she actively pushed shit away from her and antogonized those around her, sometimes with good reason but still really harsh. And she did this to the point where I truly don't know what her real feelings are for any of these characters, especially Shinji.

>>157235122
Its been confirmed in interviews with both anno and asuka VA that her last line is about him jerking off.
Asuka comments on that during the middle of the instrumentality, so its safe to assume she saw his memories.

>But this series had some fucking suffering in it and I'm willing to think it's the last jab in the gut.
Well, its up to you to decide. Anno probably has some opinion, but he aint ever talking about it. He made very clear he wants people to understand EVA by themselves.
But i strongly feel that the ending of both the TV series and EoE are on a high note, a message of self improvement, to stop hating one self. Anno was depressed when he wrote eva, and the entire work was his own self help book he wrote for himself and other people on a similar situation.
To ending it with a depressing end, i feel its wrong on a meta level. He wants to be happy, he wants others to be happy, he wants shinji and the cast to be happy.

>>157235158
Well to be honest, it was her just deserts for treating him like garbage. Asuka gloated and danced when she thought he was dead, kicks him in the face repeatedly, mocks his dead mother and demand that he makes all her meals.

Can you say that she did not deserve what came to her in End of Evangelion?

>>157229688
it's funny, usually self inserts are liked in their own universe, but Shinji is a piece of shit in bpth.

>>157235338
I'll go back to comparing to Automata again because in a way it is relevant. Spoiler,s by the way.
Where even at the ending, when all the shit is actually tumbling down and everyone is dead, the pods rebuild unit 2B and 9S and reactivate them both, knowing very well that the same shit could happen again do to man's destructive nature, or it could hopefully change into a better future. It's a gamble and it's up to those two to figure it out.
That's kinda what I see it as. Also I dunno about that 'be happy' part. It's certainly empowering, especially in 25 and 26, but EoE shows Shinji do a couple of somewhat unforgivable things and heel-turns pretty hard a couple of times. Though I acknowledge that's a major part of his character, ultimately being unsure about everything.

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>>157235297
I like this aspect of asuka too. I really like her character in the series. As much i want to say "shinji and asuka didnt deserve what happened to them", i think both had crossed the lines at least once during the series.
Asuka's case was pic related. Shinji, who has already saved her life once, was consumed by an angel in front of asuka, he was screaming desperate for help. As far as everyone knows, he is dead already (he would be if it wasnt for 01).
And she is fucking GLOATING about it, how he got what he deserved for beating her scores.

Asuka is a sociopath in the making. Had the instrumentality had not happened, if life just went on after the angels were gone, i am afraid to think what directions asuka's life would take as she became an adult. This does apply to shinji too. He would end up like his father.

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>>157235558
>that image
I'll never understand why so many anime fans waifu Asuka so much, she's a terrible woman and a gray character but that's what makes her such a good character.

>>157235558
I will say that she is an awful person. but I'm not sure if that's the way she was raised or the way she developed from being actually abandoned.
Again I don't know what her true feelings are for Shinji because she flip-flops between them so much.
>>157235692
I don't think she's a gray character, she's quite colorful actually. It's just that she's mostly an awful goddamn person
I think people 'waifu' her because she's emotionally calling out for help, to be loved and praised where honestly no one does that, and meanwhile Shinji actually does. truth be told, if she got the praise and love she wanted from say; Shinji. She probably might have broken down or melted inside unable to even fathom how to process that. These characters are fucking broken inside. She's a product of envy, jealousy, and pride.

>>157234719
Obnoxious women like Misato or Rei are rare in Japan though.

>>157235692
As a character in the series, i think her development arc is my favorite out of the main characters. From a crazy woman in the high horse to her face in the dirty, humiliated and completely broken, to then (as of my optimistic interpretation of the ending) start to improve as a human being.
I think shinji stays in the gray area for far too long, he should start showing his flaws sooner. But besides that his mental issues and character arc is very similar to asukas.
Rei development is a very beautiful story of overcoming an existential crisis (instead of asuka ans shinji that are fucked up because of their parents), but her story is spoiler heavy and we dont get to see it develop on screen. Fucking bummer.

>>157235558
>>157235338
>>157235158
>>157234982
>>157234626
>>157234099
Thank you /a/ for the discuss and for keeping it civil.
In all I think - after discussing some of the parts I didn't really get - I actually really liked the show and I also appreciate the conversation and being able to discuss this.

Now I know I need to let this sit some more, but when can I watch the Rebuilds? at least for novelties purposes? how much longer does this need ti setle?

>>157235945
If you watched EoE recently, at least wait a few more days for the ideas to settle down. The largest risk of watching rebuilds early is to mix up their original characterization to their "new characterization", which in my opnion, dont hold a candle to the original.

The story is decent-ish by itseld, going in blind (just like the original series) is great. But its incomplete. The forth and final rebuild still getting made, so take your time.

I will refrain from spoilering it up, but i(and many others) dont like the direction the series took. If you watch the first movie (hell, even the first 5 minutes is enough if you pay attention) you will understand what people are unconfortable about the rebuilds.

>>157235945
You could watch maybe 1.11 now perhaps
It changes a few parts arond but for the most part its a close retelling of eps 1 through 5 with the Octohedron of Death

They have phenomenal visuals but like
>>157236108
said there's not much to say about the characterization... really was there much characterization beyond Shinji in the Rebuilds so far?

>>157236108
>>157236169
Okay thank you senpai. I'll give it a week or so. Hell I might even re-watch it to get a better feel for all of this. Thanks.

As for spoilers, I know at least one theory through osmosis that the rebuilds are actually sequals and are the different realities and loops that Shinji is making.
Is that true - and if so is it explained? As long as that explained then I can easily separate everything out.

>>157236227
You start to have suspicions just by looking at the scenes even in the first minute of 1.11

just ride it and see

I read another anon making a half joke about how the rebuilds were all actually Shinji's doing because he's got god powers considering of how everything suspiciously revolves around him even more than it did in the original show

>>157236227
>Is that true - and if so is it explained?
No confirmation nor explanation what so ever. No one else except kaworu seen to have any hint about what is going on, even though there are a lot of background hints spread all over the place sugesting something is "off". It might be just anno being a troll, messing with the fanbase on purpose. We will discover when rebuild 4 get released.

But just the idea of EoE end and all their development and growth might get retconned because of time loops make me fucking boil with anger.

>>157236294
I see.
I think - just for separation purposes - I'll just roll with that as my head canon.
Shinji got god powers and decided to redo shit from the start. I mean he did say "if I could do it over again I think I would" or something like that.

Anyways my last question is this:
Are each movie a retelling of the entire series or are the movies each a phase of the series?

>>157236349
I can sympathize with that, but that's why I'm trowing it in the side bin in my mind as just another possibillity of Shinji doing something different.
I think honestly 25 and 26 are their own ending, EoE is its own thing and I'm willing to put the rebuilds as their own thing as well to hep me continue to like all these for their original reasons while respecting what they may have to offer as a whole rather than judging it on the original series.

>>157236354
Thing about it is the Shinji reset thing isn't 100 percent because if Shinji were, like, rewriting his past like he was on fanfiction.net, he is doing a weird job of it.

I mean, except for that GAR moment in 2.22 where he pulled Rei out of Zeruel through sheer willpower

The rest of it was the same self-flagellating shit

I guess Mari could finally be explained as Shinji's tastes for weird foreign girls so there's that though

>>157236354
The first film is mostly a retelling of episode one through six with a few new parts. The second has some elements of episodes eight through nineteen with a lot of new parts. The third is completely new.

>>157229204
>You're a fool
Holy shit, how can ONE man be so based?

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>>157236433
>>157236409
Alright. Thanks again for the info /a/. Nice to know there's a dere-dere side sometimes.
When I finish the rebuilds I will wish to discuss more! Until then, I appreciate the talks It's super late here.

>>157236354
1 is almost a exact remake of the start of the series, ending with shinji and rei killing ramiel (the blue geometric angel)
2 is asuka arrival, a lot of similar things, her personality is somewhat different, changes start to accumulate and the ending goes totally off the rails around the moment where, in the original series, toji becomes a pilot.
3 is whole new story, as it is completely off the rails already.

>>157236294
>a half joke about how the rebuilds were all actually Shinji's doing because he's got god powers
>A half joke.
shinji being able to start the fucking third impact with 01 by himself based on emotion while his eyes glow red like rei and kaworu make it a completely valid theory for me.

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>>157229204
>I acknowledged that I'm a fool
So he knows that he's a hack
>I like to read romance novels written by women...
That explains why all the women in Evangelion are broken

>>157226062
>caring how another man looks

why?

>>157229204
>I dont like disney

I honestly think we'd be better off if disney never existed.

>>157229931
yes? and?

Evafags really think it is deep?

>>157236634
tbf all men are too

>>157236778
Yeah, a bunch of retards
Ano himself says that its not
Cant be helped

>>157236700
disney was good until they started milking the name for the sake of making toys

>this thread
>this discussion
I mean, it's mostly not right and illogical and you need to study deeper, but at least you're not fighting over your shitty waifus

>>157236700
I'm not the biggest fan of Disney either, but early Jap animation was all inspired by Disney, not to mention, they made animation a valid and mainstream form of entertainment. Anime would likely never of existed if not for it.

>>157237482
>Anime would likely never of existed if not for it.
Yes it would, but it wouldn't be what it is now.

>>157237482
I don't think he was being mean to it on a artistic or creative level, just giving his taste, like with the computer game, I see it more as a "Yeah, that's cool, I just don't like it" than a "It's shit".

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>>157234517
Kaworu brought three major things to the series with his character in that episode
-Telling Shinji he is worthy of being loved/so he can experience what it's like to be loved unconditionally (something normally received from a mother/father that Shinji never had)
-Conclusion to any lingering questions about the angels as a species
-Exposition (what the AT fields are, how the Evas work, Rei's true nature, etc.)

I agree with this: >>157234699
I think Kaworu had good intentions and wanted the best for everyone, but was extremely naive to human nature and how his actions might impact Shinji and others in the long run.

>>157234955
>wouldn't he have some sort of disdain for Lilin's?
No because Lilith and Adam were never meant to hate each other. Their children are fighting all because of a huge misunderstanding/lack of communication. Which is also another huge theme of Eva.
Kaworu is curious about humans and definitely has some alien-type of love towards them.
But he ultimately wants to return to his body (Adam), even if it means unfortunately destroying them.

However upon seeing Lilith, he realizes the humans plans all along and how desperately they want to live. Much more than him. So he decides to let himself be killed right there rather than continue to search for Adam and potentially hurt more humans.
He gives up on his one true goal and destiny for the humans based on his interactions with Shinji and coming to understand them through Lilith being in Central Dogma.

I don't think it's really ambiguous once you actually pay attention to what Kaworu has to say in the episode, he spells it all out for you.

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>>157233736
Kyoko inside of 02 is firmly established in EoE. It being her divided maternal self comes from the PSP game, added years after the fact because Anno felt he had to explain a body functioning without a soul.

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>>157226868
Based
>>157237352
Not like japan did anytthing like that.

>>157226868
I've always liked the anime original ending more than the shitty movies, so I'm cool with Anno.

>>157239205
>However upon seeing Lilith, he realizes the humans plans all along and how desperately they want to live
I think he is already convinced of human desire to live before breaking into terminal dogma. The way he talks about music gives it away.
I think he already had a rough idea of what was going to happen over the next day the moment he steped on nerv.

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>>157240360
Except for contradicting everything he says and does. Seele are the ones talking over his head but he's into what they're telling him, he's still talking about it in his dialogue with Shinji before attacking, then after he's revealed his confusion and frustration with human resistance to death was the most reaction he had to anything.

>>157240903
He has really pretty eyelashes

>>157233860
Doesn't matter. It's a translation and worthless as a source.

>>157235558
>In the making
I disagree she pretty much is, but that's what happens when you have a character who didn't believe they're good enough for their mom's love

Asuka is "perfect" in her mind and needs to be seen as an adult this is done via Kaji. She also states if you're not the best (aka her in her mind) you're redundant, she expressed this to Shinji but internalizes it immensivly and after episodes 19 she questions her reason for existing at all

>>157240936
The eye work in evangelion is top tier, both aesthetically and as a way to show emotions.

>>157241171
Speaking of eye-work, is Rei II's eyes different from Rei III's eyes?

I swear to god they are but i could never tell if that was some kind of oversight or entirely deliberate because its an extremely subtle and relevant way to differentiate between the two

>>157241162
>Asuka is "perfect" in her mind and needs to be seen as an adult
I love how this idea is worked. Shinji is a reality shock for her. He is DEEPLY flawed, and as time goes on, asuka realize how similar to him she trully is, not not outright inferior to him in some aspects.

Case in point, this exchange in EoE:
>Asuka: "the sights of you gets on my nerve"
>Shinji: "because im just like you"

>>157240936
He's basically the paragon of bishounen anime guys

>>157241208
I dont have any image now to make a comparison, but her emotions get really scrambled by dying. Rei II used to smile a around shinji. Rei III is confused, mad at gendo and somewhat getting ready to betray him (assuming she knew a little about instrumentality).
So i can totaly see her eyes portrating those small changes in personality.

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>>157241208
Well, they are a different set. But actually yeah, at least for 23, before they start recycling assets again. It's a duller and darker red than she's ever had while she's mad at glasses.

>>157241680
Its not just the color
I'm sure even the irises are different

Sup, 2ch

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>>157241171
Pen² has Eva-1's eye color and markings

>>157243462
Deepest
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On a more serious note, i always liked pen pen, but he felt like anno didnt know exactly what to do with him.
Maybe he was supposed to be comedy relief, but he has way too few scenes and he is mostly a passive entity.
Maybe he was supposed to be a pet misato is really attached to, giving her the feel of a "crazy cat lady" as a foreshadowing of her lonely personality, but she only ever show real care when she is leaving him with hikari.
Maybe he was meant to be a franchise mascot, but he isnt really that cute and have way too little screen time.
In the end he is just "there"

>>157241373
I think it's pretty sad when Asuka's feelings of inadequacy to "Shinji's skills" are almost from a lack of Shinji's skills when his mother takes over and goes Beserk going beyond any sensible strength of an Eva unit.
Maybe it's supposed to be an allegory of innate abilities or luck in life but a majority of her suffering is her internal feelings being flipped on their head after external problems, even if the external problems are realistically much worse than her internal ones

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>>157243793
And Sachiel took over the role of Eva mascot, so now Penpen is pretty much useless

>>157244154
Because Anno said he didn't know what to do with her since the 6th episode

>>157243976
I guess its a valid point, but she is in too deep on her competitive behavior to realize it isnt shinji beating her, performance, but rather eva 01 being ridiculous powerful.

On the other hand, there is the implication that shinjis mother is willing to go distances to protect him that asukas mom never went (before EoE). We dont know how much they know about evas true nature on a subconcious level, but the whole "return to the womb" is too big to be ignored, and for asuka, it might seem like shinji recieves extra love and protection that she never recieved.

>>157244261
Huh that's actually a cool connection, how you were raised does pretty much set you on the path for your life. I feel like I need to read Fruedian shit just to pick up more from this series.

>>157225931
Evangelion is one of the books used in the orthodox church
I don't know what exactly it translates to in english though
It's something like a bible

>>157226062
Whenever I see someone with a beard like that in my neighbourhood, I grab my scissors, sprint past him and cut the beard, then get the hell away faster than a nigger being chased by cops

>>157244154
She isnt trying to find her humanity per se, she is trying to find herself. A lot of things in her life make no fucking sense and i doubt she knows why.
We see on kaworu that a soul of a seed of life can partialy comprehend humanity. I assume that rei point is to find peace with herself and her weird origin, which she does.
But i dont think she is exactly relatable. Very few peoe have existential crisis as hard as her. On the other hand, its not like waifufags care about if their waifu is relatable or not.

вафывфывыфыаваы

>>157243976
The berserks weren't as frequent as that, Shinji still had opportunity to outperform Asuka without them and 01 wasn't any stronger than 02 when it wasn't awake. Shinji even keeping up with Asuka with his months of experience compared to her years of training already pissed her off.

>>157244389
The english word is "gospel"
It means "teachings", and is usually associated with the teachings of Christ's apostles to the world.
Languages with latin origin usually use words derivated from "evangeli-" for those cases.

>>157240360
True.
After he talks with SEELE, he implies that he already knows they're going to trick him.

He's basically just along for the ride, he doesn't really care what happens to him personally.

>>157244318
>>157244261
Now im curious. Do we know anything about Annos relationship with his mother? Is she even alive? Was she alive during eva production?
For a series were mother-child connection is such a massive theme, i wonder what anno is creating brand new and what he is picking up from his life experiences.

>>157244876
Both his parents are still alive and it seems like he had a normal relationship with them.
Anno is just really interested in Freud shit.

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Asuka knows about the beast. She isn't jealous of that at all.

>>157233707
>being a brat
>being strong
pick one.

>>157244547
Yeah that's mostly true but her most humiliating experience was Unit 02 getting decapitated while Shinji saved the day which is what set her over

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After watching this, I have to say:
I don't think I've seen a situation fall apart as radically and as fast as this one. Given the falling apart takes several episodes all the way to EoE, but you know when it fucking happens because everything is starting to hit closer and closer to NERV.
desu when I first started it I thought it was just gonna be depressing shit after depressing shit right away, but it was nice to have it be a Monster of the Day-like thing for at least 3 or 4 episodes with Shinji being pretty happy before it all came tumbling down.It really really set that up pretty well and I think personally helped me like these characters more as people than if it was consistently depressing through out.

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>>157246098
She bemoans she couldn't do anything, wrestling Zeruel out of headquarters was a thing. It bothered her enough to hit her in the synch rate but she was still functional until Arael.

>>157246830
desu Asuka has this detail to her during this part where she can't fucking stand to be beaten by Shinji but she continues to let it happen. She'll bitch and moan about it but that's all she'll do.

This is just speculation but it seems like she wants this to happen so she can more internally validate that she's unwanted by everything and everyone to the point where the moment someone besides her is given praise, she shuts down more and more to the point where she's un-operational.
I wonder if she sees a bit of herself in Shinji and that's also something that pisses her off. Not only can she see herself in him but also sees what he's the attention she craves and taking it for granted. All apparently do to 'natural talent'. That's a very very real thing I've seen.

>Civil conversation on /a/
huh

rei>asuka

>>157248086
All the shitposting Reifags are at school

>>157248086
just as you'd expect from the master

>>157246198
So why can the EVA units withstand explosions and angel shit but going into a Volcano requires a special suit? Can't they just emit an AT field and not worry about that?

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If these three got to pilot how would each of them end up TUMBLING DOWN?

>>157248443
No because two of them are well balanced people and the third one is a complete numbskull

the numbskull would be under the old men's thumb because he doesnt know any better but Romeo and Juliet over there might either succeed in saving the world before The Scenarios take place since they aren't manipulable like Shinji or Asuka are or they get unceremoniously killed just prior

>>157246198
You can only feel frue suffering when you had hapiness and lost it.
I consider the "dance for you life" the peak of hapiness of the characters. The series fell like a fun little monster of the week story.
And then it is straight downhill from there. I love it.

>>157247211
Depressed people sometimes go so deep on their depression they believe they deserve bad stuff to happen to thdm. So an alcoholic goes back to tje drink, an obese goes back to food, and maybe asuka kept going to get more and more humiliated.

Question: What is the period of time does the series take place?
Because SEELE makes those EVA's with S2 engines pretty fucking fast.

>>157225931
didn't he freely admit that he didn't intend for it to be as deep as people were making it out to be and fans were looking too far into it?

>>157248899
It's speculated to be over the corse of a year, but Anno used it's always summer in 3 cool ways, to give weight to 2nd Impact's affects on the world, keep Shinji (and depressed people in general) an allegory for being stuck in time, and saving the animators time/energy. Iirc something said it was 2016/New Years during EoE

>>157248977
Actually that's a really smart directing choice and pretty beneficial to the production as a whole.
I wonder what exactly they were having issues with during the end of production that started draining their budget.

>>157228948
>>157228948
>>157234431
>>157240082
>h-he had a point!

He's a lying sunovabitch as usual, he admitted recently that he originally wanted to apologize live on television rather than show the last two episodes.

>>157230117
>Otaku likes Asuka because muh doll / moe girl

FTFY

>>157248597
They're still getting settled in 9. 11 and 12 were peak comfy, they've all reached some kind of understanding and are making allowances for eachother.

>>157248899
First episode is June 22, EoE is New Year's. They recovered an S2 organ from the 4th Angel, that attack given in the series as 3 weeks later, and that went to Nevada where they experimented with either reconstructing or reproducing it for installation in Eva 04. But remember sabotage of 2nd Branch was immediately suspected and that they were already experimenting with Adam's engine 15 years beforehand. It isn't unreasonable for Seele to have already had them and intentionally denied them to Nerv.

>>157249669
Kinda shows how easily they shed that understanding when stuff starts going bad.
Kinda shows that all the characters involved were right to be afraid of what they were afraid of, which is honestly sad. Usually in animu I'd think it's just that they don't get it or that the world is good and they don't understand.
But the world they are in, or at least their situation, perpetually proves them right.

>>157229204
>DUDE STUDY HARDER LMAO BE A GOOD WAGESLAVE

What a pathetic shell of a human being.

>>157235558
>And she is fucking GLOATING about it, how he got what he deserved for beating her scores.
Hahaha, no silly anon, you don't get this at all. Rewatch this battle from the beginning especially from 07:45 and pay attention to distress in her voice. She tried to save Shinji and failed thats why she blaming him for this situation. She doesn't want to admit her defeat, that's EXACTLY how girls react. Asuka is not a sociopath, she is just a woman.

>>157250408
To be fair it's in response to someone saying that they spent all their money that was supposed to go to school tuition/supplies on stupid anime shit.

>>157250408
Wrong. You're supposed to study so you don't become a dumb wageslave.

>>157225931
No, that would be Ikuhara.

At this point the people who think NGE is '2deep4u' are blithering retards that still try to convince people that watching anime can be 'hip, mainstream and cool'. You fags would do better sucking each other off in a modern art gallery.

>>157251522
I mean if you follow the character arcs for everyone, it makes complete sense.
The only difference is that some people catch in to it faster than others and also because EoE's ending is meant to be somewhat ambiguous.
In truth it's anyones guess, but there is always a consensus drawn by people who don't want to accept that and feel they need to find or make an answer that's not really there. This mentallity just happens to follow some of the meaning that the series was even about.

>>157251522
i think eva is literally too deep for you.

>>157251362
Anno pls

>>157250312
You point is, shinilji was right about not getting attached, because in the end, asuka and misato were also fucked up people afraid to get attached?
Yeah, it isnt a single person with problems, its the whole crew, and fixing a single one wont cut it.
But as of my personal interpretation of the series, they start improving after.the end of EoE.

>>157250693
>she is just a woman.
Spoken like a true /r9k/ robot.
We arent talking about who broke up with who, or a girl admiting to have dropped the ball in a sports game.
In that scene shinji was fucking DEAD. Misato was struggling to hold her emotions because she is a major.
Asuka as a normal 14 year old, either animated or real, should he crying about what she just saw.

>>157225931
He looks really filthy.

>>157241162
>Asuka is "perfect" in her mind and needs to be seen as an adult this is done via Kaji.
I perceived this in reverse. She needs to be seen as an adult so that she can feel perfect. She plays herself off as perfect but in reality she deeply hates herself and who she is; her standards are insanely high, for everyone around her but most especially for herself, and she fears that if she isn't perceived as perfect by other people, they will know she's as low as (or lower than) them.

>>157250693
When's the last time you mistook your piss bottle for a fresh Mountain Dew?

>>157252530
>Asuka as a normal 14 year old, either animated or real, should he crying about what she just saw.
Not really, first, she was trained all her life to fight angels so she is not exactly normal. Second, this is a mecha anime and not a real world, of course children's reactions are a little off, they face life and death situations almost every episode, "normal 14 year old" would've collapse under the pressure a long time ago.

>>157253275
>Second, this is a mecha anime and not a real world, of course children's reactions are a little off, they face life and death situations almost every episode, "normal 14 year old" would've collapse under the pressure a long time ago.
Jesus Christ. The gulf between "a little off" and "callously ridiculing the death of a peer" is unfathomable. Not to mention, Shinji reacts like a normal kid with PTSD, and that's one of Eva's defining qualities. Eva is often talked about as a series which treats its characters like people. "But it's mecha" is a bad excuse in this circumstance.

>>157253275
I think we're looking at it a bit too in depth.
The point here is that someone fucking died in a rather bizarre goddamn way. Rei is emotionless to this.
Asuka - having years of experiance or no - saying 'he got what he deserved' - I think isn't just based off years of experiance or high standards but out of sheer petty and jealousy. In that scene she's basically telling us the viewer that he was an obstacle.
Misato has seen worse shit, has been on the force longer, and is also a professional but even she showed hard emotion over this.
Lets nit forget that Asuka nearly gve up in that Volcano and pretty much accepted she was going to die and probably would have had it not been for Shinji and she still shows nothing for it.

>>157252403
It's children born into the post-apocalypse with no idea what they're missing, raised by a generation of refugees and survivors of nuclear world war, because old men were dissatisfied with the human condition and determined to change it, and they discovered the means to do it because the progenitors were fuckups to begin with.

>>157253534
>callously ridiculing the death of a peer
I am telling you, you don't get this scene at all. She doesn't ridiculing anybody's death, she is venting her frustration because she is pissed that she couldn't save him and she doesn't want him dead. And the easiest way to do it (at least for Asuka), is to blame Shinji like it's all only his fault.

>>157254204
No, I do understand that it's more complex than its surface level, but that doesn't mean its surface level isn't extremely strange and inappropriate. It isn't typical behavior and I would call it concerning.
She didn't want him dead, I know that. But the way she views what happened is undoubtedly fucked up.

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>>157254101
>It's children born into the post-apocalypse with no idea what they're missing
We call them fedoras.

>tfw youtube doesn't have the argument/choking scene from EoE and any search for it involves dumb fan theories and music videos.
How old is this?

>>157254257
>extremely strange and inappropriate
Yes, it is inappropriate but not strange in the slightest (I believe there is even a term for this - secondary victimisation). But for hot-headed character like her this rant is normal, something like this: "How this stupid Shinji dares to die on me?! I tried to save him and failed! IT'S ALL THIS IDIOT FAULT!" It's actually shows that she do care about his well being, not the opposite.

>>157254430
>He doesnt have the entire series readly available on his computer since ever.
Its honestly the only series i never deleted to open up space, because ever few weeks there is a good discussion here and i like to be prepared to check any scene on the go.

>>157254204
It almost got her, too, she'd have even less time to react if she'd made it into position. Making it something that happened to Shinji because he did something wrong is easy denial for how close she came to getting swallowed and how affected she is by it happening at all.

>>157254994
I feel like in a way the 'tsundere' aspect - if we can call it that - isn't entirely taundere but more of her not knowing what the fuck she wants.
Don't know but her constantly flip flopping back and fourth during her breakdowns from hating everyone to hating herself to wanting to be loved and needed while constantly pushing it all away.
She certainly doesn't seem to have one particular state of mind or at least not a constant one.

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>>157226868
>>157229204
>Hey Ano a lot of people are mad because they didn't get the two last episodes, care to explain what that was about?
>Go fuck yourself

Just as pretentious as his works i see

>>157255784
Maybe it's the opposite and he's just pissed at people trying to look too far into it.

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>>157255870
I thought the whole point of Evangelion was that you couldn't never look to far into it.
Or have i been had by the elitest EVAfags again?

>>157255636
>tsundere' aspect
Well, in a sence tsundere aspect is just simplified feminine inconstancy.

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>>157225931
>those girly looking hair on the top pic

>>157237482
That's the whole point you dingus
No Disney, No Anime, No 4chan

>>157256152
I suppose you're right, though I'm specifically hitting the psychological point of her rather than the hormonal, though I guess that certainly has a hand in this too. They are 14. And being exposed to this shit does NOT help at all.

>>157256094
Eva is certainly deep at some points, but not all. The ending certainly can.
Anno just dont give a fuck about explaing stuff, its all up to you, so he gices those non answers.

>>157229972
Considering the original japanese title is "Shin Seiki Evangelion" yeah

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>>157229204
>Anno is an Asukafag

WE WON BROS

So what exactly does the Synchro rate a measurement of?
If an EVA unit is supplied power and can be controlled what exactly does the synch rate mean? Is it a measurment on what is possible with the EVA? Is it the responsiveness? Success rate? What?

>>157252530
I think that's Asuka's way of dealing with the situation
She doesn't want to admit she cares about Shinji

>>157256673
>Shin means either "new" or "related to religion / god"
>Both are valid for the series name
>Gainax translate it to "NEON" instead
>Not even "Neo", which means "new", but neon, as the fucking chemical element / glowing light.

Who the fuck did that

>>157257351
It's how much of the pilot's nervous system is coordinated with the evangelion's. Higher is better, until the eva is getting mauled and command is scrambling to lower it, or the eva woke up and its own impulses are going into the pilot.

>>157257351
Never truly explained, but i think it must be somewhat hard to control the evas. If your synchro rate is high, it becomes easier. At higher levels i dont even think you need to use the controllers in the plug, just thinking about what you want to do is enough to get the eva to work.

On the other hand, at high rates you not only feel more pain with the eva, but you also get hurt alongside with it.

>>157257844
Higher is better I get that but what does it do though? What does it being higher accomplish?
The only thing I kinda took from that is that you become more one with the EVA and feel the stuff it feels.

>>157257876
Well I mean when 01 and 02 go berserk they have the abillity to fucking throw out AT fields with their hands and blow shit up and 01 can just physically function without power off if who knows what energy - be it shinji's or something else.

>>157257976
Oh yeah, the AT fields too. They are related to the pilot, so i guess that when at really high rates, the AT fields get super powerful and can be even used as a weapon.

>>157257876
Why and how does Pilot feel the pain? Also is it just mentally painful and hurt temporarly or does it actually do some form of damage.

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Then there's whatever harmonics is and some testing for resistance to contamination, that relates to plug depth somehow.

>>157259016
When synchronization is high enough pilot will take physical damage exactly like his/her Eva. Example: Asuka fight in EoE against serial Evas.

>>157259016
Low and med synch, you only feel the pain. Shinji feels his arm getting broken during the first chapter.
High synch, You get hurt too

>>157248443
Kensuke wouldn't
Kensuke would just enjoy every moment and be a badass
He has literally no reason to be traumatized by piloting

>>157260106
He would totally fuck misato every day too. Maybe asuka too.

>>157260106
Isn't there some rule of needing to be mentally broken and 14 years old to pilot an eva?

>>157260413
Probably not. Just a previous strong relationship with the eva soul.

>>157260413
Just 14 and have a dead mom
>>157260233
Also Rei AND make Kaworu his bottom bitch
Impregnate them all too

>>157260482
Asuka was chosen to train when she was a kid. Age probably dont matter.

>>157260482
>Impregnate Kaworu
H-how?

>>157260820
Kensuke finds a way

>>157259016
It's feedback, a consequence of being able to use the Eva's muscles and sense where they are in any coordinated way, or flexing the AT field and using the Eva's senses of what's going on there. Physical transformation of the pilot occurs once in the show, sympathetic injuries begin to fully manifest in EoE. Then Rebuild and really weird shit like sympathetic atmospheric conditions.

>>157260820
Mother of Angels, it's already happened 14 times.

>>157261449
Sympathetic Atmospheric Conditions..? The helll does that do?

>>157261449
>Mother of Angels, it's already happened 14 times.
The other 15 angels are "brothers" of kaworu, while kaworu is a soul reincarnation.

The best way to explain that is king piccolo family in DB. He creates a bunch of offspring, then reincarnate himself in piccolo jr..

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>>157261679
Transmits lasers telepathically.

>>157261840
14 angels*

>>157226062
Looks like pubes.

>>157225931
It's really not supposed to be.

>>157261886
W-wait what?

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>decide to read up a bit on Asuka
>her father apparently cheated on her bedridden mother with the doctor caring for her
wew fucking lad
When I actually thought the mother thing was hit on the head pretty spot on I learn something super fun and new.

>>157262498
Yeah, he's not just feeling it, the light and heat at the point 01 is being drilled with a proton beam are recreated inside the plug. Ramiel could shoot us all right now.

>>157262951
He brought her to the funeral, too. They'd already married.

>>157263045
>brought her to the funeral
No really what the fuck.
>mother goes insane and stops caring for her maternally
>mother cares more about a fake doll than her
>mother tries to kill her
>Dad stops caring for mother and goes to put it inside the doctor
>mother kills herself
>dad fucking the doctor, marrying the doctor even before mom dies
>train entire life to pilot mom
>some beta kid who's only been in the cockpit for a few months starts doing better than her
>authority figure starts to hang out with beta boy more than her
>no one praises her and instead praises beta boy
>tfw beta boy won't fuck her
>tfw get more incapacitated in mom robot the farther into the series she goes
>forced to relive all of this again by being mind raped by an alien
>gets choked out by beta boy
>lose all synchro relationship with mom robot
>coma
>get ejaculated on
>finally learn of her potential only to run out of power and die brutally

I'm honestly questioning if being Asuka is more suffering than being Shinji.

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>>157262951
Thats asuka for you. When you think she cant suffer anymore, life comes and give her a cunt punt

>>157263396
>being Asuka is more suffering than being Shinji
Oh, even though shinji is the protag (so he has the mode detailed character arc), and even though asuka is a fucking jerk if not insane, i think she does suffer more than shinji over the series.

>>157264145
if those two were to hypothetically ever fuck and have a spawn, it would be some twisted eldritch being literally made of pain and suffering.

I can see why some pair them because if they ever decided to fill in the holes of the other, no pun intended, it would be really sweet and heart warming.
Though neither of them seem capable of this sort of thing by a long shot.

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>>157263396
There's more. It's not just the doll connection, Asuka also had almost as much education as Rei about disposability. Mom can replace you, Dad can replace Mom, replacement Mom can leave if you aren't good. So be best. Be so good you never have to depend on any of them again.

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>>157264243
It reminds me of back in the day many years ago before we got any of the 2.0 stuff, I considered the Re-Take doujin series as the actual canon ending, it made more sense that that asspull that many people here like to ponder over in denial

Symbolism that doesn't stand for anything is not symbolism.

>>157264355
I want to give Asuka hugs but she would hurt me. As is her character I guess.
>>157264432
Read it a bit. It's good but it doesn't have the reaction and self worth stuff I'd have liked to see. Also some of it relies on the rebuild knowledge which I've not watched.

>>157263396
>>157264145
I kinda think that one of the points of her character is indeed the fact that, no matter how much shinji is a failure of a human being, he is STILL in a better situation than she is. She is jealous of him.

>>157263396
Except the second to last one never happened you greentext abusing faggot.

>>157264496
it doesnt rely on rebuild at all, and yet the story seem to be somewhat similar
To see it as headcanon is stupid though, EoE is already a great ending to the series.

>>157264864
Yes, the proper preposition would be "over", not "on".

But this raises another discussion point. If shinji was locked in that room with her, broken and nearly insane, why didnt he just went for it and made it "on"?

>>157265044
Because at the end of the day he's still Shinji.

>>157265044
Agreed but this >>157265127 desu

>>157264869
Any good doujinshi that play on the character arc and mental stuff that's also cute? and Vanilla?

>>157232308
That only applies to those at the bottom of the hierarchy, the people who write the story, direct the scenes, design the characters etc get paid well and don't work as much.

Also "going outside" means taking inspiration from somewhere else.

>>157265486
It;s okay to take inspiration from something else, you just can't plagerize it or make it incredibly obvious.

Though in japan and during that time shit is probably much more strict.

>>157260413
Well, none of the MCs grew up having a healthy relationship with their parents, so them being broken is natural.

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>>157265409
You asking for too much. Specially on the character arc. Nearly all doujins dont bother with the mental shit.
Vanilla and cute there is quite a few. (But not as many as i wanted).
Just go for comedy. Tengu no Tsuzura is fucking hilarious. Merry Box, Asukas Trial 1 and 2, the one about cooking...

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>>157264496
You better hope she hurts you, she's done when she acknowledges she is that vulnerable. Optimized Asuka care would be doing it when she can clock you and call you names, reassuring her both that it's there and she doesn't need it.

>>157265608
"somewhere else" is extremely broad btw, you could just read some book and take inspiration from the central themes, or travel somewhere and realize it'd be a neat setting for an anime. etc etc.

You can't really call it plagiarism when you're trying to imitate something completely different, besides I don't think anyone would mind if an anime tried to plagiarize classic litterature.

>>157265898
>Nurturing her mental sickness
That wont help her to become a normal human being, just to look like one. She needs real therapy.

>>157266004
>she needs real therapy
This meme is really stale.

>>157265910
Well I mean EVA takes themes from the bible so that's as classic of any work of literature as you can probably get.

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I've not watched rebuilds but found this chick appearing in doujins and I don't know who the fuck she is.
Is she part of the things that people like to call 'fanfic' about the rebuilds?

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>>157266004
Asuka's abuse is a treasure to be preserved.

>>157266360
sauce

>>157249669
how do we know the start date was June 22?

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>>157235787
>I will say that she is an awful person. but I'm not sure if that's the way she was raised or the way she developed from being actually abandoned.
>Again I don't know what her true feelings are for Shinji because she flip-flops between them so much.

I would say that she does indeed hate him, but i assume she is a narcissist and manipulator by default along with being a sadist, like she does the flip flopping on purposes, to play mind games, like a manipulator would do, for control, and that could be for A LOT of the awful female characters like your Akane Tendos and Nadias and the like, but the problem is that the delivery in those shows is always so slippery and "ass covering" that it feels unsatisfactory, i said in another thread that Anno demonized Nadia expecting people to hate her, or almost like he intended to her to cross the line and become the big baddie that would be taken down at the end, a la Dio from Part 1 of Jojo, tough Dio already appeared as a scumbag, who knows, maybe he become like that because he didnt took care of his shittyness if you know what i mean.

But much to Anno's Dismay, fans and the production staff ended up idolizing her because of her look, maybe he was forced to keep her that way.

Almost like the writers and producers chicken shit out on writing evil female characters due to them shtick being limited by the restrictions of shonnen writing or just because they are females.

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>>157266330
Yep.

>>157266827
I certainly don't think Asuka is evil so that might be going a bit too far. She's just looking out for number one without knowing how to actually do that other than repelling everything away from her.
We've seen her past. She's just a rather extreme product of it.

>>157266854
does she at least die horribly? or is she there for what I think she's there for?

>>157266462
Chronicle, Ogata, nowhere on screen.

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>>157266945
>or is she there for what I think she's there for?
FIGURINES!!!!!!

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>>157267188
this sockens me and I'm not really sure if I understand why. I don't want to understand. I want to hate because she looks like a fetish character. Fucking glasses, pink suit, and giant tits on a 14 year old when Rei and Asuka are right there and look different?
I'm being completely serious. this is the first time seeing her and I think I already dislike her for predetermined reasons that may or may not be justified.

>>157267311
No one is sure why she is there. Given how the rebuilds go really off rail and are taking a while, there is a theory that anno rewrote the story midway, and whatever role she was going to have on the story got erased, but they left her in anyway.

>>157267444
Again does she fucking do anything or is she there for like a couple of scenes and then dissapears into the void?

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what did she mean by this?

i like that we still have eva threads like this

>>157267444
She had something going on relating to a lot of changes to the setting that didn't go anywhere and now can't matter. So sidekick.

>>157267840
Asuka has a lot on her mind at all times.

So who all in NERV was actually in on the Instrumentality project before shit hit the fan?
Obviously Misato was not, but who else other than that? Given that Shinji somehow avoided hearing about Toji until the literal moment he was dragged out of his plug tube, I'd think security was pretty tight-lipped at NERV.

>>157268097
Pen Pen

>>157267840
She meant she is a filthy liar.

>>157261840
No, they're his children.
Kaworu himself is Adam.

>>157268372
I refuse to believe this.

>>157268491
Wasn't he looking for Adam and believed that that's what NERV had under their base? Why would Adam or at least his reincarnation/soul vessel not know where his original form is?

>>157268097
Gendo, Ritsuko, Fuyutsuki, Yui.
For some reason the tech assistants know what the fuck is going on during EoE (like anti AT field, lilith, rei, etc), but it was probably Fuyutsuki who told them off screen while they were fighting Seele.

Supposedly, everything there should be top secret, but there were way too many traitors and leakers. You couldnt trust anyone in Nerv really.

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>>157268564
He was looking for Adam's embryo because it's his body.
He doesn't know where it is because they kinda took it from him during Second Impact when they forced him into a human body.

Kaworu even says himself that he is Adam and Rei is Lilith when he meets her in episode 24.

You watched the Director's Cuts, right?

>>157268564
He is not omniscient. He could "feel" something downstairs, and knew adam was somewhere in the base, so he put 2 and 2 together.
However the something was Lilith. Adam was somewhere else. Probably close though, with gendo somewhere in terminal dogma.

>>157268688
I don't believe Kissanime had that unless it did and I just counted it as its own thing.

>>157236700
But then anime wouldn't exist.

Quick question.

Does "evangelion" as a word by itself actually mean anything?
Isn't the greek word for gospel "evangelio"?

>>157229931
well, he's an anime creator. nothing he's said is inconsistent.

that aside, tu quoque.

fuck our education system, you're fuckin stupid. I'm sorry.

>>157268784
I don't think it has it either.
You need to watch the Director's Cuts, they have a bunch of new scenes that explain a lot of shit in Eva that was too ambiguous in the TV aired version.

>>157268665
SEELE and NERV had excellent security, just not from each other. Kaji was employed to spy on both of them by both of them and still didn't get away with enough intel to warn the nation that sent him in the first place.

>>157269210
Where can I watch these, senpai? Downloading right now is out of the question still.

>>157225931
>anno and company make a pretty neat giant robot monster-of-the-week show that focuses on character psychology in a realistic way
>show has some of the best art, designs, direction, and story in all of animation
>the movie is literally a master piece in the canon of cinematography
>20 years of faggots projecting their own bullshit happen
>gets remember by super-autists as a hack and the legitimately best anime ever made is memed to pieces by tryhard kiddies wanting to be cool

There's no meaning left in life when we can all just circlejerk shitty opinions infinitely and instantly into fact.

>>157225931
deep and smart

>>157269335
You're next best chance is just watching Death & Rebirth, then.
it's a recap movie but it has all the Director cut scenes in there.

Just watch Death, Rebirth is just the first half of EoE and unnecessary to rewatch.

>>157269406
I'll do that then. Thank you.

>>157267851
Thats what happen when you create an eva thread without actually using any key word what so ever, and a thumbnail that isnt readly identifiable by your ordinary shitposter.

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All these idiots ITT looking for "MUH SYMBOLISM" and "MUH CHRIST NARRATIVE" and "MUH SCHOPENHAUER"

Don't you people get it? The only point of Evangelion is Anno telling autists to go outside and get a life. Thats why he turns Asuka into a comatose retard and Rei into shark chum in response to waifu shit. That's why he makes Shinji gay in the last hour. That's why he opens EoE with Shinji >(you) masturbating over Asuka. That's why he kills everyone and allows nobody to be happy. That's why he puts in an awful character just to sell more statues.

He's telling you to actually go outside and talk to people instead of trying to decipher what apocryphal Biblical text this angel got its name from

Where exactly is Central Dogma in Tokyo 3? Is it under the Pyramid thing? Are we ever told what the fuck the Pyramid and that hole are for?

>>157270634
No, he is telling us to actually go outside and talk to people instead of being complete useless hiki otakus.
There is nothing wrong with liking anime or talking about the convoluted story he created as long as its done in moderation, as a normal human being.

>>157270974
this desu
otherwise why make it an animu.

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>>157270974

>he is telling us to actually go outside and talk to people instead of being complete useless hiki otakus.

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>>157270925
Central Dogma is on level B-20, on the far side of the inverse pyramid hole full of the water supply for headquarters, under the pyramid that isn't ever shown containing anything but Gendo's office at the top level.

>>157270925
Yes, under the piramid. The whole geofront is the egg of lilith, and she is in the middle of it. They built the terminal dogma around her, and upwards they built the nerv hq, and on the very edge of the geofront, the city of tokyo 3.

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>>157270974
I don't think he's against being "useless" so much as he's against total escapism. Remember, Anno himself is an otaku. Enjoy what you like, to great heights, but remember to live your real life, too, even if it's sometimes painful.

>>157271326
>>157271306
So how do they get the EVA's outside? I remember in one of the first episodes it was like a series of tunnels going upwards, yet I ain't seen no obvious tunnels going up and as far as I know no part of Tokyo-3 when it's retracted or extended connects to the ground. Only places those could be are around the perimeter.

>>157271624
Thats an excelent question. Either through the perimeter as you said, or magic.

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>>157271624
I know, right? That hasn't ever made sense and it's never been addressed in anything. All I can think is that they go sideways from HQ to shafts buried outside of the sphere but that isn't ever what's shown.

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>>157271815
>>157271852
desu I kinda like how dumb it is that it's never addressed. It's like those dumb run on jokes in Star Trek or something that most people don't think about but happens anyways.

>I used it because it sounds complicated
Every Western character's name in Anime History.