Umineko thread, this is the franchise with the greatest ost

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>>157207507
Posting best Seacat.

>>157207507
>this is the franchise with the greatest ost of all time
I think Akiko Shikata's main work, Ar Tonelico, is holding that title but Umineko is right behind that.
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhNzAXhDbfo

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>>157207507
I want to deito Lucifer.

>>157208348
erika best waifu

>>157208346
fake red shoes is a fucking master piece

>>157208346
>Ar Tonelico
I don't know anything about it, but I love Phantasmagoria.

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Every thread until you accept it as the Umineko OTP

>>157208971
ange a shit

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>>157208467
Not to me, my man.

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>>157209625
Luci a cute.

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>>157209797
That's a Belphegor, though.

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so many years later and the shitty ending STILL pisses me off

>>157209871
>shitty ending
it was great, the witched declared in red that is was not going to have a happy ending.

>>157209871
>still forcing this meme

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post em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dgUf8VHd8

>>157210535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgBz88f3Dh8

>>157210535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM-Stt5Yq6o

i want to fug bern

I want to fuck Lambdadelta!

>>157210535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4

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I love all of the songs, but these three are my favorites.

F Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xxOflZYvE

木野寧 - ウサンノカオリ, don't know english title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvjG2RpTNdM

Beatrice Character Song: Chain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP896Z370Oo

>>157211492
This is what anime has become and it is your fault.

>>157211140
This is the song that really made me prioritize Umineko.

It was in one of Demo's vids.

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The true Head

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>>157214421

>>157210619
Great taste anon, it's my favorite

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clP4e6x-4hU

>>157209871
Me too, anon, me too.

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>>157209871
Ending was fucking perfect

>>157210535
https://youtu.be/szNUd-oj2dE

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>>157215192
The hype this track gives me even today is unreal.

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Best girl right here

>>157208348
I'm literally going to marry Azusa

Anon who only watched anime and half manga here.
What was Umineko's ending?
I was surprised when Battler turned into a sorcerer.

>>157207507
>>157207643
>>157214859
Just dropping by to thank you guys for posting my waifu.

>>157215615
You choose if you want to believe that magic is real or not. If you chose that it's not, you get a short but cool scene with Ange on a boat. If you say yes, the game goes on for like 2 more hours and reveals that Battler never died.

>>157215615
Finish the story anon.

>>157215757
The manga ending is the canon one though.

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>>157208971
Is/was Ange a brocon?

>>157216103
Oh he made the VN endings invalid? When did he say that they shouldn't be taken as canon?

>>157216217
Yes.

>>157216235
http://apgnation.com/articles/2015/01/29/13689/say-red-interview-ryukishi07

>Thus, all of the episode of Sayo that appeared in the EP8 manga is the official answer to the world of Umineko. By no means is the manga version a individual interpretation. It is an official answer from me, Ryukishi07.

>>157216536
even in the manga there's still room for interpretation

>>157216536
An answer to who the culprit the motive was, sure. I don't see what it has to do with the endings of the VN.

The thing that made me the most mad about the ending is that every murder mystery boiled down to "a bunch of people were in on it"

>>157217138
You didn't notice the culprit pattern before the ending? I thought I sucked at solving them but I guess some are worse.

Are you ready to be disappointed again?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-30/next-when-they-cry-title-launches-after-higurashi-umineko/.110505

>>157217546
Don't forget the Higurashi VR game/show/whatever

>>157217546
Nah I enjoyed RGD and Higanbana. You just have to keep your expectations moderate.

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>>157217546
Maybe it'll be great, who knows. I think he can be really hit or miss.

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>>157217928
This. Both Rose Guns Days and Higanbana were actually great.

>>157218050
What is Battler's fucking problem?

>>157219129
Incompetence

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This is how uminekofags actually live

>>157219129
He read a wikipedia article about Devil's Proof and wants to show off

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>yfw this played for the first time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICKoZ18zHk

>>157219129
He is a closet homosexual

>>157219192
The time his parents first visited this room must've been glorious

>>157219129
While this statement was ridiculous it also showed that Battler clearly had enough of this Devils Proof bullshit and just threw shit in Beatrice's face to show her just how dumb it sounded when she did it. I love that entire exchange between them.

>>157208346
You are a man of excellent taste and I just wanted you to know that. n-no homo though

Reminder that Magic ending is superior to the Truth ending. If you unironically liked the Truth ending, then you're just a goat who doesn't know how to dream.

>>157219573
I want an anime of Ange and pirate Erika sailing the high seas and solving crimes.

>>157219192
It looks comfy tho

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So what happened in the underground base? Did Kinzo convince the Japs to attack the Italians and then give them dud grenades?

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>>157219852
Who knows. What would you have done in that situation, considering how much money the gold is worth? I'd turn them on each other in a heartbeat and build two mansions on my private island.

>>157208907
You should play them. You miss out on a lot from not seeing what that song means in-universe and the sequence of events that lead to it being sung.

>>157219852
It doesn't matter, Kinzo is dead.

>>157219129
Imagine any detective story. There's Sherlock and then there's Watson.
Sherlock is a mary sue, while Watson is supposed to be below the average intelligence of the reader that questions everything but gets everything wrong.
Battler is essentially Watson made to be detective.

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I unironically enjoyed everything about Umineko, especially the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfjNlH2pWE

>>157221092
you have shit-taste if you don't unironically enjoy everything about Uminkeo

You all have awful taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTAcJ0ZcUkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIcCKuA8ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4j4hw9sJ-Y

Are the best songs.

>>157221317
Even the shit pacing?

>>157221384
Is this yet another meme ?
The pacing never bothered me.

>>157221384
If you can't enjoy the slower parts because of "pacing" they are suppose to be slow. You just wanted all witches all the time which didn't you?

I bet you skipped the Shanon and George parts too.

>>157219192
I would unironically pay anything to live like that.

Who /ougonmusoukyoukucross/ here?

>>157221486
I didn't skip anything or want witches all the time, but yes shit like the Shanon and George parts is what I'm talking about. Romance is not the strong part of Umineko.

>>157221633
Ryu should just give up on Romance. His stories are better when there is none.

>>157221632
I'm waiting for the steam release.
How good is it ?

>>157221687
Ange/Battler is the greatest love story never told

>>157209939
>the witched declared in red that is was not going to have a happy ending
>there was a happy ending

what did they mean by this???

>>157221768

I really like it but it seems like no one else pays it.

>>157221687
>that one sex scene in RGD where Leo pretty much rapes Rose and Ryu tries to make it happy by playing the far remix
Ryukishi has some twisted views about love

>>157221778
Battler, George, and Jessica all fell in love with Yasu.

>>157221804
>Ryukishi has some twisted views about love

The route he wrote in Rewrite was pretty bad, but there was a comfy date scene.

>>157221798
Magic isn't real

>>157221811
>Battler fell in love with Yasu

nope

>>157221798
>happy ending
bittersweet at best

>>157221869
ange living on as a writer and creating future for herself without being haunted by ghosts of the past was prime you idiot

>>157221884
He loved Yasu as a child and also loved her so much he made a clone of her.

>>157221633
I disagree, romance is a huge part of Umineko and I loved it.
I can understand why people wouldn't though.

>>157221633
>Romance is not the strong part of Umineko

did you even play the same game as everyone?

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Reminder Tohya Hachijo is better than Battler because he was banging Ikuko with his limp dick while Battler was gay.

>>157222039
It's a big part of Umineko, but it's still pretty bad.

>>157221384
The only shit pacing is any parts in ep 6 that didn't involve Erika.

>>157222091
shit opinion

Rate episodes

>>157221804
Everyone, including me, felt very weird about that part. It really felt like rape and rape's my goddamn fetish for god sake. It really just came out of nowhere.
I get that he's a smug womanizer, but I never expected him to just push Rose down and have his way with her like that. I get that she also loved him back but the fact that he tricked her just to fuck her really feels weird.

>>157222147
Erika a shit, what an awful character. We need more Dlanor.

>>157222073
Liking boys that identify as girls does not make you gay.

>>157222221
3 = 7 tea party > 5 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 7 no tea party > 1 > 8

>>157222221
5 > 1 > 3 > 7's tea party > 2 > 4's tea party > 8 > 6 > 4 > 7

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>>157222073
He also managed to manipulate Okonogi and tricking the entire world into thinking he didn't kill everyone

>>157222191
1>4>8>3>2>7>5>6

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>>157222147
>tfw Ushiromiya Kyrie cannot save Battler

>>157222221
if anyone unironically thinks Legend was not the best of all they must be seriously retarded

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What did you think of 10 Little Niggers?

The only real romance was between Kyrie and Rudolf.

>>157221384
>>157221450
Not that guy, but the pacing is absolutely glacial. I've gone through my fair share of lengthy VNs, but Umineko takes the fucking cake. The slowness of the build up in each route is exacerbated by after the first route ending you know that it gets crazy, so you can't help but feel impatient when you're reading through shit like glasses guy's dates with the maid and such. It feels like a chore to read for 80% of the novel and the 20% of awesomeness doesn't really make up for it. It's poorly paced.

>>157222349
letter at the end ruins it

>>157222349
I read it when I was 16 as my first book in that genre and I finished it at around 3 AM so my reaction was just getting mad and going "wow the culprit faking his death, this is bullshit"

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Still my favorite track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJuAxZaOo

Shout-outs also go to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O18lICr-5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMDmaghbkA

Though pretty much all of the tracks are good anyways.

>Without love, it cannot be seen
What did they mean by this

>>157222402
It's a mystery, of course there's only 20% of awesomeness, you are retarded if you went in expecting anything else.

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>>157222232
I remember having no idea what to think when her and her lackies showed up, but I ended up liking all of them.

>>157222349
not as good as Towards Zero

>>157222402
All I get from this is you are an impatient person who can't enjoy things because you need action for it to be interesting.

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I dare you all to find a serie with better foreshadowing

>>157222518
You might want to read better mysteries if you think only 20% of the story being good is a normal thing.

>>157222518
I didn't go in expecting anything (I'd heard the music was good and that was it -- I wasn't disappointed, of course). Don't assume somebody's reading it wrong just because they can recognize flaws in it.

>>157222585
That goes for you too; I didn't say shit about it needing more action.

>>157222331
No one can save Battler, not even himself.

>>157222349
Decent book with a good concept but bullshit answer. The way it ended was great except with the answers by the culprit. I agree with Ryukishi that if the answer was not given, people would call it a masterpiece. It really should have ended with the last person committing suicide. and nothing more. I asked my mother that love detective fiction if it would have been possible to solve, and she said no. There are some obvious hints, but it's not enough to point to the culprit.
>tfw I guessed the culprit but because he died I stop thinking

>>157222652
>That goes for you too; I didn't say shit about it needing more action.

It needs more "awesome" whatever the hell that means.

>>157222656
>guessed the culprit but because he died I stop thinking
I think that happened to like 90% of readers.

>>157222733
Most of the good parts weren't action scenes. The tea parties weren't actiony at all and yet they were a tonne of fun.

>>157222733
>he doesn't want more "awesome" in his chinese (not) cartoons

anon i...

>>157222610
is she talking about her own mutilated genitals

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>>157222073
Amakusa Battler was better than Tohya Battler, Black Battler, Golden Sorcerer Battler or just Battler.

>>157222656
>I agree with Ryukishi that if the answer was not given, people would call it a masterpiece
Where did he say this? He's talked about it beyond citing it as an influence on his works?

>>157222795
If you don't like the mystery parts Umineko just isn't for you, please don't treat it as a flaw or something that "feels like a chore to read", because it's not the same for everyone.

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>>157222232
>liking Dlanor but calling Erika a shit

>>157222804
he's basically showing Jessica his useless dick

>>157222828
>disguising himself just to fuck with Ange some more
is there a worse brother?

>>157222890
In ep 7, Kumasawa argues that point about Witches.
I've also read academics arguing that die hard Agatha parrot that sentiment as well.

>>157221317
I hated the chapter 4 Maria autism.

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>>157211542

Fishy Aroma (vocals)

>>157222891
You're not even reading what I'm posting are you? I never said the mystery was bad. The mystery and the witches were the good parts, everything else was boring and annoying. The story could have used a healthy trimming. It spent far too long fleshing out characters and relationships we neither need to see nor care about for the sake of the story to work.

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Jessica is the most underrated Seacat.

what the fuck is a golden truth

>>157223010
Who?

>>157223010
Huh?
????

HAPPY MARIA LYRICS WHEN
IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS ALREADY FUCK

>>157223066
red truth but more gimmicky for the sake of MUH EPIC

>>157223152
They have been out for quite some time anon.

>>157223152
practical gohda WIN

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>>157223010
More like the most useless.
The only thing that's good about her is her body.
Everything about Jessica is worthless and pathetic. She would have fallen in love and let herself be fucked by a goddamn servant.
She has bad grades.
She's stupid.
She has no future.
And she's not even feminine enough to just open her legs like a good girl for the family.

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>>157223066

>>157223066
Golden Truth is essentially the human red truth.
It is the collective agreed truth formed by theorizing on the absolute truth.
For example, the family seeing a burned body with 6 toes gives rise to the golden truth of ''I gurantee that the body is Kinzo''. Everyone agreed based on the evidence that the body is likely Kinzo's but it doesn't mean it's the ''truth''. It could be a body of someone else, brought by Kinzo to fake his death, that also had an extra toe. This is why in ep 6, the two Beatrice use the Golden truth to accept magic. Because both of them believe that truth, it became a golden truth.

>150 posts
>no gohdaposting

did we finally reach Golden Land?

Is the Umineko translation considered good?

>>157223453
Of what, the anime, manga or VN?

>>157223467
>anime

>>157223467
VN

>>157223534
VN translation is good, nothing wrong with it.

>>157221380
>that second track
>tfw you will never discover 10 tons of gold and instantly become wealthy beyond your greatest dreams

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I want to stick my dick in a cake.

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>>157222610
Challenge accepted.

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>>157225016
Erika is so cute! And just think. Battler could have married her. But instead he decided to marry stinky old Beatrice.

>>157225016
>>157225144
Erika a shit.

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>>157225364
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little witch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Detective Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous boardgames with witches, and I have over 300 confirmed solutions. I am trained in using my brain and I’m the top detective in the entire Sea of Kakera. You are nothing to me but just another mystery. I will wipe you the fuck out with logic the likes of which has never been seen before on this Fragment, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the telephone? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of goats across Rokkenjima and your closed room is being traced right now so you better prepare for the solution, maggot. The solution that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your catbox. You’re fucking figured out, kid. I can solve mysteries anywhere, anytime, and I can complete your puzzle in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my grey cells. Not only am I extensively trained in sealing things with duct tape, but I have access to the entire power of the Detective's Authority and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable mystery off the face of the Fragment, you little witch. If only you could have known what unholy solution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re getting the Trick Ending, you goddamn idiot. I will shit Blue Truth all over your catbox and you will drown in it. Your mystery is fucking solved, kiddo.

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>my face when someone next to me says Umineko is bad/has a bad ending

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Higurashi is better

>>157225820
Its been a while since I laughed at one of these

So what does "Without love, it cannot be seen." actually mean?

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Was slightly pissed at the ending right after reading translated EP8. Now, years later, after replaying the game with voices and marathoning the manga I'm surprisingly liking it. All that being said, for me Umineko is still the greatest story ever told and I doubt anything will top it.

>>157226339
The true truth. Not the one Bernkastel showed Ange and Eva wrote down in the diary but the very core of the game. Why all of this shit happened in the first place. Basically, 'treat all the lovey-dovey and heart-warming moments shown in the game as the red truth and don't be a goat'.

>>157226399
the manga is good at filling in the blanks if you spend years not playing the game

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>>157226171
You posted the edited version.

>>157226339
Strong emotion influences a stronger imagination.
Imagine a random person you meet on the street talking about a wonderful golden land, and they invite you to join them. You'll probably think they're crazy as they prance around in a perfectly normal garden.
If it was your beloved family member showing you their golden land you'll see it differently.

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>>157226557

That feel when I am not a goat and am actually upset that the manga was catered towards goats. Hopefully R07 will decide to do another story for WTC5 where he doesn't crack under pressure to explain to idiots the story, especially when the entire fucking point of the last episode is fuck goats, enjoy the ride

>>157226339
If you do not value something, then you are unable to see its beauty and truth.
But in the opposite, if you love something, you tend to overvalue it from the truth and not see it for its flaws and what it truly might be.
Shakespeare put a lot of focus on that point regarding love and its disillusion. There's a reason why Ryukishi endlessly mentions Romeo and Juliette.

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The "Truth Ending" is a bad ending because Ange didn't know how things happened. All possibilities were open, so she simply had to choose what to believe. The happy ending felt too easy, and with her filled with negative emotions she choose a sad ending which better suited her.

But, does this mean searching for the "one truth" is meaningless? Anything is possible, so it's better to believe in a truth that makes you happy. But personal feelings have no greater meaning. Is it wrong to believe that one truth is elevated above all other happy and sad possibilities? Instead of choosing anything else you choose to search for a deeper meaning even if it is unobtainable.

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I love EVA Beatrice.

>>157207507
So uuum, whatever happened to those WTC5 news?

Wasn't it releasing this year?

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Which mom?

>>157228056
Only thing we've got so far are some small details. Something about it being a more global story and maybe have something to do with Dubai.

Not sure when we'll see more info, though Summer Comiket seems likely.

>>157228258
Rosa, best mom.

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>>157210535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5gVGE-5C9c

>>157221380
I never really liked the technoshit either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0yYXgnSwmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENL0nPskSao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3KPybMNKSk

>>157228343
Damn, seems really new in concept. Since it's called WTC, I assume there'll be murders and time loops, at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHpgQFdnBtM
Underrated

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My favorite 2 songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa_u_DI0fvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGLSZ2Lm588

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRaNer0BgwY

Hane, the song that plays when you're on the boat on the way to the island, has always been the quintessential Umineko song for me.

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What's going on here?

Top vocal tracks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgBz88f3Dh8

Followed by Usan no Kaori and Tsubasa

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>>157222349
Any more good novels like that? Most other Agatha stuff wanted to make my puke my balls out because of the shitty mary sue detectives.

>>157230005
Why is your car so fucking cold?

>>157222656
>I guessed the culprit but because he died I stop thinking

I read Umineko before reading Ten Little Niggers, and as a result I was totally expecting a faked death. To be honest, I guessed the culprit but only because of his profession, and the fact that his self reflection about the crime he was accussed of was different than the others, not a shred of guilt but missed most of the other stuff

>>157230956
Hmm, to be fair, I had not read any detective stories before that one, so I hadn't considered the fake death. I considered it by the end, but it made no sense that the killer would also be found dead by the end.
>lol I'll just kill myself just because it would be cool if no one figured it out
Welp.

I personally started doubting the culprit when he started putting on airs by becoming the detective. I was all ''yeah that's what the culprit would totally do'' but then he died and stopped thinking. After reading Umineko and understanding that the culprit could use the doctor to fake the death, it becomes obvious.

I have never read episode 8. Should I?

>>157231215
Yes, Black Battler and Erika comeback.

>>157230956
I read Umineko first as well, but I guessed the male servant, Mr.Rogers was his name or something.
It's been a while, but from what I remember I thought it was him because of the insanely suspicious way they found his body. unlike the others, he was face down with an axe in his back (or something), and immediately after they glance at him the one woman screams about a wasp. They're then distracted and leave the room immediately. I was a little disappointed that it was the judge because I his death was the one I thought was too difficult to fake (bullet through the head). It makes sense if you look for motives, I guess I should have paid more attention to that.

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>>157231215
Don't listen to the butthurt goats, Episode 8 was fucking great.

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>>157231311

Episode 8 was great and had a good message. It's depressing so many goats ruined it.

>>157231344
>give up on finding out the truth so you can pretend your family is alive
>good message

nobody is acknowledging the magnificent cover lol

>>157220956
>>157219129

Battler obviously didn't want to suspect anyone from his family, and also didn't even know he was supposed to be a detective. He was refuting the existence of the witch because it was the only thing he could do to piss her off, instead of trying to solve the mistery because "maybe the witch is hiding something on her riddles".

Which for me makes sense. As a reader, one gets the impression Beatrice is playing to get the mistery solved from very early, but for Battler as the protagonist the experience is different, it's pretty clear he was dropped in a game without even being explained what were the rules. If someone is put to play as a goalkeeper in a soccer match, but he doesn't know what soccer is or that he's in a game, it wouldn't be surprising to see him avoiding the ball instead of stopping it, and punching the other players because they keep throwing balls at him at high speed.

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>>157207507
Been digging through my seacat screenshots, found this gem.

>>157231408
>pretend your family is alive

That wasn't the idea, they're dead and nothing can change that. But Ange only had more pain to find in the past, she had to move on.

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>>157230215
Do character songs count
Because this is my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2KbybRxJLQ

Reminder that Erikafags ruined Umineko threads for eternity

>>157230215

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPpd8q-xpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clP4e6x-4hU

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>>157231649
>ruined
Funny way to spell improved.

>>157216217
No. Just fanservice that they decided to write into the manga extras because it was a thing among fans.

>>157231277

It's weird how Agatha Christie mysteries work. A lot of times, I can clearly see who the culprit is because of his/her motives, even if they are hard to deduce, but I can't see how they could do it. But sometimes, you can almost pick the killer by discarding everybody else, but you can't see why in hell would the murderer do that.

>>157230581

Ironically, she didn't like her most popular detective because he was an unsufferable Mary Sue, and her favourite detective, Miss Marple, was way less popular. By the way, I don't know if you know the character or not, but Miss Marple is way less Mary Sueish than most other detectives. In fact, is weird to see someone who can solve mysteries no one else can solve being so humble, you might like her stories.

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>>157231649

Erika felt like a very entertaining antagonist and it's not a wonder why people attached to her. I love EVA and Dlanor more though.

>>157231685
Obnoxiousness =/= improvement

Your shitty waifu is an autistic corpse under the sea

>>157231649
Erika is literally the only good thing about Chiru.

Every scene should have been about her, and whenever she wasn't there people should have been saying "Where's Erika?"

>>157231775
>Miss Marple
>not a Mary Sue
I read a book about something happening in a train and she hired another detective to help out or something and her logic jumps were fucking stupid. It was the only Marple book I read but she managed to ruin for me without fail.

Post best arranges/remixes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-UJzH4DHYw

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>>157231649
>ruined

That's a weird way to spell improved.

>>157231657

I love Birth of a New Witch, but the level of broken English in the song is unbearable. I can't hear it without cringe.

>>157231863

But what's your definition of a Mary Sue? Because if just solving the mysteries makes a character a Mary Sue, then murder mysteries are impossible. The detective has to see something the other characters miss, it's like calling Bruce Lee a Mary Sue for beating everybody in a Kung Fu movie.

>>157232136
When a detective has stupid logic jumps for example.

>>157231532
Kinzo is the GOAT

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>>157232793

The truth of him being dead the entire time really depressed me more than I thought it would. Helping "him" escape in episode 5 is one of my favorite parts of the game. Then episode 7 was made out to make him a terrible human being but at least he wanted to atone for it.

>>157231815
Someone gets it.

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>>157233102
Kinzo was great.

Reminder that Rosatrice is the true answer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=acLhqUzUgxc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ThosMzcaNdM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9BxudLgTg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PDtgRszW5zQ

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>>157234167
>tfw will never sit through 10 hours of explanation for this theory

>>157234433
But you can.

>>157223231
>She has no future.

Except she would have had, had not the parents and Yasu fucked up everything.
Cause in case the Ushiromiya family would have been rich again and Jessica would have been the first in succession line of her generation.

>Everything about Jessica is worthless and pathetic. She would have fallen in love and let herself be fucked by a goddamn servant.
Please keep in mind that neither Battler nor George nor Ange had any partner, so why does that make Jessica bad? For all she knew Kanon was a somewhat silent, but nice guy.

>>157234167
I tried to go to sleep to this once but the guy's voice just kept me up. I felt like someone was going to sneak up on and attack me if I ever shut my eyes.

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>>157234581
>Except she would have had, had not the parents and Yasu fucked up everything.
No, she wouldn't. Removing the tragedy would not remove the incompetence of Jessica. She's illiterate, has bad grades, knows nothing, will never be successful financially or in any type of employment. She only has her body and nothing more.

>Please keep in mind that neither Battler nor George nor Ange had any partner, so why does that make Jessica bad?
Battler is a playboy like his father, but because he's nihilistic, he doesn't care for that. Ange is in the same boat as Battler, but far more nihilistic. In the end, she still had a career as a writer. Jessica has nothing.

George is in the same boat as Jessica. He was unable to find someone to love him, so he resorted to loving a fucking maid girl. Not just using Shannon as a toy, but would've given up his family just for a worthless shit lacking a backbone.

The problem is of status. Kanon is a worthless shit, just like Shannon. Jessica was alone, hoping for love and would have accepted any man next to her and opened her legs for him. She would have gladly allowed herself to be used as a toy by a goddamn servant boy. That's pathetic. A slave would have mastery over the next head of the household! Over love!
What an absolute joke.

Kanon is a boring guy, seeking to find his humanity. A worthless endeavor for the next head of household of a rich family.

The only good trait about Jessica is her body, and if you do not think of her as anything else, you're being delusional.

>>157207507
WTC5 when? I NEED IT NOW. Pls, R07.

>>157214476
This has always been my favorite post

>>157234914
>The only good trait about Jessica is her body

I would add that she is not a backstabbing, potentially murdering person like most of the older Ushiromiyas.
Jessica never betrayed her fellow soldiers over gold, never threw a baby from a cliff, never fucked her own offspring and never killed anyone for the inheritance.
So at least she is a far more sympathetic human being than most members of that family.

>>157235876
I think this is my favorite scene in the game. It comes so suddenly and does such a good job of laying down what the tale is gonna be about and building on both characters. Plus holy shit it's hilarious

So the point was a lie can become the truth if enough people believe it right?

>>157230005
C-could we talk in your car?

>>157223010
She's just a badly done Mion.

>>157210535
Was I the only one having an orgasm at that sword battle as everything flashed perfectly while this played at full volume? I never see it mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnTwpWn-7IM

>>157223152
>IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS ALREADY FUCK
Ok, I'm old.

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>>157235307

>>157230581
Read the books where Poirot feels more like a side character who takes the stage at the end than a main.
Its amazing how the story gets way better when we have the detectives be side characters, going from reading Chimneys and cards on the table to a bunch of small stories of Poirot and his not-watson was like falling down the abyss of quality.

Why is Erika so fucking sexual holy fug

>>157231863
I don't think you know what a Mary Sue is. Detective are often not the main characters of their own books anyway.

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>>157232182
>detective finds something
>countless things could have happened with thing
>"Aha! Its obvious the culprit dropped this while he was doing a summersault in his escape! Its the only way it could be positioned like this during a drop!"
>not-watson:"Wait, why would he do a summersault?"
>"Its obvious, the culprit did the summersault not because it was needed, but simply for fun instead!"
I just dont get it.

>>157237773
Teenager Rika.

>>157226655
You are fucking idiot. The manga didn't cater at the goats, it delivered a satisfying story.

No one had problem figuring the truth of what happened since they spell it out in episode 7.

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Erika a cute A CUTE!

>>157221926
He was 10 years old and meet her a couple of times.

Even George/Shanon is a better love story-

>>157217546
Umineko had good ideas, but it was brought down by the fact that R07 bit more than he could chew and insanely retarded solution which made figuring the mystery pretty much impossible.

At least his works are fun, Umineko was massive internet phenomenon.

>>157237947
You thinking of the detective as a character, when most of the time it just serves as a way to guide the readers and provide a solution, which are two things pretty important in a mystery.

>>157238172
Nah, it catered to goats like you. The manga adaptation is basically Ryukishi being in Featherine's shoes and opening Eva's diary for the whole world to see.

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>>157238281
>insanely retarded solution
Shannon not being called Sayo in the red text was always a glaring loophole. The issue was just the retardedly convoluted way Ryukishi explained it as if Sayo could "kill" and switch between personalities at will for the sake of making red text, when the answer is more like "red text about Kanon and Shannon doesn't mean shit, because her real name is Sayo".

>>157238419
It's more like everyone thought he maid and the butler were the same person but everyone dismissed it because 1) It was so obvious and cheap 2) It required a massive amount of suspension of disbelief.

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>>157238353
EP7 literally explained everything in it already. All the manga really did was turn the info already given into a compelling story and conclude the Battler x Sayo plotline properly instead of smearing obnoxious meta-Beato shit all over it to the very end. What was lacking in VN EP8 wasn't mystery solutions, but proper plot conclusions other than "just stop thinking and go to the golden land lol".

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>>157211140
>>157224750
Have you voted for Lambdadelta yet?

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PS3 sprites > original sprites > p*chinko sprites

>>157228868
It's not a WTC if it doesn't have Bern and Lambda, or allude to their concepts. So there'll be that at least.

>>157225820
I can't read Gorilla warfare and its derivatives without singing it, fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnp3AgXP0dU

>>157238723
Wrong.
original > PS3 > pachinko
original sprites and backgrounds were much better than the ps3 one because it fits with the eerie setting.

>>157239295
>wrong

Original sprites are vomit inducing. Especially Higurashi's

>>157234167
I've been seeing this spammed for like 5 years already. Can somebody give me a quick rundown?

>>157239295
Original only works well for Higurashi, it doesn't fit the atmosphere of Umineko. But I will agree that it is better than pachinko.

>>157234167
You guys do know that this theory makes use of the anime for evidence right?

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>>157239562
No, because nobody actually bothered to watch it.

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>Episode 4 ends
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_nEcivlBLE starts playing

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>>157219268
The scene this first played in ( the multiple room puzzle theory part if I remember ) was when I knew that I was hooked with Umineko. That and the tea party one liner he drops.

>>157235320
This isn't ''Jessica is not as bad as X'' but the worth of Jessica on her own. She won't betray you because she has no personality and once you put your dick in her, she won't do anything else than open her legs.

>>157239815
Somebody put small bombs into the food.

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>>157240096
You sure?

>>157239761
>episode 6 ends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CrHzdl0UMU
>starts playing

lambda is my wife

>>157240195
Go away Bernkastel, I hate you.

>>157240210
i'll outlive you, human. that means i can be with you until your death.

>>157240221
>roleplaying

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>>157240221
Fuck.

>>157240234
>green truth

Anybody has that glorious pasta about Genji pretty much saying that he arranged everything, including Yasu's life etc?

doesnt shannon and kanon being the same person break some of knox's rules? not to mention being a servant etc.

>>157240377
Your thinking of Van Dine's rules, which has already been established to not have any effect.

>>157240428
>doesn't have any effect
>lol but we'll use them in ep 8 because fuck you

>>157240517
You do know ep 8 is no longer a proper mystery at that point?

Also to reference Van Dine #20:
>I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect. (b) The bogus spiritualistic se'ance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away. (c) Forged fingerprints. (d) The dummy-figure alibi. (e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar. (f)The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person. (g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops. (h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in. (i) The word association test for guilt. (j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth.
the "a" has been done in ep 3.

>>157240597
A mystery is not a fucking court case Lambda.

>>157240597
These "rules" are really just there to help you write a mystery story. It's not like it's absolute.

>>157207507
yes. absolutely.

>>157219192

I wish this place was that tidy again

who am I kidding, I just need to get off my fat ass and tidy it

>>157240710
The guy was thinking Knox rules were broken but they really weren't. I'm just pointing out that it was Van Dine's rules, which the game board doesn't really follow.

See another one of Van Dine rules:
>#3 There must be no love interest.

>>157240862
There is no love interest. And when there is, Battler stops being the detective.

>>157219192
fucking glorious every time i see this.

>>157231532
Ever since Overwatch my memory of Genji has been slowly eroding until there's nothing left.

>>157221801
If you live in europe I can fight you.

Reminder that Umineko is shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-jDMzAghk

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>>157241862
I knew Pachinko sprites were bad, but fuck.

>>157241901
Someone needs to change that sub to ''is this a witch?''

Sex with Erica-sama

Oh please STEP on me Erica-sama! And call me worthless while you do it!

>>157241862
what a fucking idiot
>claiming it doesn't explain anything where it rubs it in your fucking face for a whole chapter
>insulting the original art
I fucking hate these people

Erika and her fans are intolerable, why don't you just like the superior version of her, Dlanor.

>>157242673
Dlanor is a doll. A tool to be used by the detective. She is nothing more but furniture.

>>157242826
Erika is just a tool to be used by Bern.

>>157242839
A tool of a tool. Even less than furniture.
How can anyone even like Dlanor?

>>157242893
Dlanor was around before Erika.

>>157242914
Oh, so she's used goods then?

Never watched the anime or played the VN, but this OST is amazing.

Feeling like watching it for that reason alone.

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>>157239364
>Furniture bow to Ushiromiya
>In contact with demons
>Possess magical-like abilities
>Controls Rokkenjima with an iron but fair fist
>Own mansions & islands globally
>Direct descendant of the ancient royal Ushiromiya blood line
>Will bankroll the first Moon hotels (Ushirograd will be be the first hotel)
>Own 99% of summoning research facilities on Earth
>First incestual rape babies will in all likelihood be Ushiromiya babies
>Family head said to have 215+ desire, such desire on Earth has only existed deep in the Irie clinic & the Golden Land
>Ancient Japanese epitaph tell one sorcerer who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented magical progress with him
>He owns small bombs restaurants around the world
>You likely have small bombs inside you right now
>The Ushiromiya head is in regular communication with the witches Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, forwarding the word of his beloved witch Beatrice. Who do you think set up the meeting between Hachijo Tohya & the Witch Hunters high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 19 years) and arranged the Ushiromiya Group owner’s first trip to Niijima in history literally a few days later to the Kuwadorian bunker in Rokkenjima?
>He learned fluent italian in under a week
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the head. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Ushiromiya
>The head is about 9 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
>In reality, the head is a timeless dragon existing in all points of time and space from October 4th 1986 to October 5th 1986. We don’t know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he is a benevolent being.

>>157243404
Why would you watch Umineko?

>>157243469
I don't actually know anything about the series and assumed the anime adaption would be reasonable since we're on /a/.

VNs it is then.

>>157243768
Anime is infamously bad. Best to never even mention it.

>>157243461
>The red truth that saved Rokkenjima

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>>157242673
>hated Erica during the VN
>mfw after finishing the VN realized Erica is the best girl
Oh how blind I have been.

>>157241862
>umineko is shit because someone in Youtube said so

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I want to hug this child.

Reminder that Erika is used goods.

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>>157243872
>the whole bathroom scene
It's like the series became horror once again

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These summaries are great.

>>157244019
Episode one was pretty horror to me, at least the suspense and atmosphere was creepy
>that detailed description of the first death
>Maria's creepy smile CG
I played blind so I was caught off guard at some scenes.

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>>157243802
At least anime Battler is straight

>>157243802
I binge-watched the entire anime even when i knew it was shit

I blame the OP and ED being so damn good

YAMI WO KIRISAKU

>>157244191
>Battler was supposed to be /fit/ incarnate who ate proteins and lifted while he was living with grandparents.
>Nobody draws him that way.

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>>157243461
>You likely have small bombs inside you right now
fucking hell

>>157244709
>Battler was supposed to be /fit/ incarnate who ate proteins and lifted while he was living with grandparents.
I don't remember that.

>>157222221
4+8 > 3+5+6+7 > 1 > 2

>>157244074
>Maria's creepy smile CG

Not scary at all and was generic "creepy anime girl" garbage. In the original, Maria actually looked like some sort of creepy autist instead of "WE WANT THE HIGURASHI ANIME AUDIENCE".

>>157245686
It caught me off guard for sure. Just came out of nowhere. I think it was the first CG in the game.

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>>157246040

>>157246040
Any more of these?

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>>157246110

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>>157207643
>>157208467
>>157225144
>>157225820

>>>/e/rika
>>>/d/oes
>>>/n/ot
>>>/e/xist

>>>/e/rika
>>>/i/s
>>>/d/ead

>>>/d/ie
>>>/t/he
>>>/d/eath

>>>/s/entenced
>>>/t/o
>>>/d/eath

>>>/g/reat
>>>/e/qualizer
>>>/i/s
>>>/t/he
>>>/d/eath

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>>157246283

>>157246289
Dlanor wouldn't even get a screentime without Erika.

>>157246289
sex doll