Raildex

>>157114968
AAHHHHH FATHER HELP ME!

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>>157114968

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>>157114968
>a demon in charge of Kiharas

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>>157115449
>Kiharas are not espers
>they cam learn magic

>>157115528
>"Lola" Choronzon is supposedly defeated in NT22
>epilogue shows a half dead Yuiitsu finding it

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>>157115528
>All those times we memed about Enshuu learning magic will come true and she's going to fuck everyone up

Can Aleister teach me the secret to becoming an eternal loli?

Wtf I love Choronzon now

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>>157115610
The first step is to fail, and then keep failing until you succeed.

>>157115610
Make a plan that has no connection to logic, so when you fail you also succeed.

>>157115610

Better ask Cag.

>Maika still wanted to get in touch with Touma even after leaving Academy City, demanding him to use an SNS
There goes one of his sanctuaries again. ;_;

>>157115945
>Maika leaving AC

Who will cook Mikoto's breakfast now?

>>157116128
Maria Kumokawa

>>157116128
Misaki will spoonfeed her

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We will never see Touma punch antagonist hard again.

>>157116332
I'm sure Touma has one more left in the tank for whoever turns out to be the actual final boss.

I remember when people thought Aleister would be the big bad and we would have 10 more volumes max to showcase all the toys and tricks he has up his sleeves. Since Laura literally hijacked his keikaku, how many volumes do we have left? I'm hoping we stop at 27 at the least.

>>157116435
Aleister may still be the big bad. NT hasn't been straightforward enough to say that "x" can't be the final boss. And Laura "hijacking" his keikaku was keikaku doori, so as it stands right now it's a big 4d chess game between them.
>yfw all this final boss talk ends up going nowhere because NT isn't the end

>>157116435
I feel like it depends on if S3 is gonna be announced soon. If it is, Kamachi will probably be asked to lengthen the series a bit to get the most out of it.
Otherwise, I think around NT24 would be a reasonable place to stop. I assumed NT18 was gonna be a slower paced infodump volume but a fuckton has happened at once, so I doubt going all the way up to NT27 is necessary.

>>157115645
>>157115645


She looks like Index.

>>157116390
There was an article or something I read once that suggested there was a way of redeeming Choronzon. Something to do with it's name I think. So quite possibly.

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>>157116332
Ellen got offscreened. There was so much catharsis potential with her.

>>157116128
Misaki will take care of her friend

>>157116815
Misaki is going to end up killing her friend with her shitty advice

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Choronzon isn't a final boss

>>157116972
Yeah because it will be Aleister

Is there anyone who can stop Aleisters keikaku? Now that he has reincarnated into a little girl he will get away with everything, too.

>inb4 a character comes and becomes the final boss in the second to last novel

what the fuck happend? is thia after world reject arc? fuck what the fuck happend

>>157117140
Laura is a demon and Aleister is actually a billion different bodies compressed into a single coordinate

>>157117140
Pretty much Laura is a demon. Aleister turns into a girl and teams up with touma and accel

>>157117202
>>157117213
I wonder if she'll force Necessarius to fight for her. She's got them all blackmailed, especially Kanzaki and Stiyl. Itsuwa needs to break out of prison ASAP.

>>157117202
>>157117213
Laura? shit, and everyone alaways jokes how her keikaku is always fail

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I hope Aneri gets a cute mecha musume body instead of appearing fully human..

>>157117476
Mikoto would just murder her without remorse

>>157114968
RORA RORA RORA RORA RORA RORA

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>>157117505
Leave Mikoto to me.

>>157117505
Mikoto is the hero we need to prevent the singularity from ever occurring.

>>157117571
>Hamazura is the one that deals with crazy Mikoto

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No more comfy AC days. Seriously, when has this city ever caught a break?

>>157117602
Imagine the shitstorm when he becomes Mikoto's first. First to punch her in her fucking face.

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>>157117660
Only the ded can know peace from this neverending conflict.

>>157117674
Based Hamazura

>>157117602
He does have experience in dealing with insane level fives. More so than Touma, considering his level five actively tried to kill him instead of fucking around.

>>157117674
As if.. Mikoto isn't a retard that throws herself at Hamazura like Mugino does.

>>157117602
>>157117674
Mikoto didn't do anything wrong yet, so that would be pretty messed up. Unless protecting your kouhais is a crime.

Does anyone know if the NT14 or NT17 illustrations were made textless?

>>157117777
She is when she becomes cocksluthungry for the T.

>>157117761
He only fought one level five and that level five was a retard so...

>>157117808
Railgunning a bunch of civilians isn't protecting kouhais.

>>157117505
Based Mikoto.

>>157117822
If they were I don't think I've seen them anywhere

>>157117432
I doubt it since she is at AC and and Aleister will being going to Britain from the looks of the spoilers but we still need to wait till the volume gets translated to confirm anything

>>157117674
The best way to win a girl's love is to punch her in the face. Or shoot her, then punch her in the face.

Heard the scene with Accelerator was baaically nothing but swearing. Was it business-as-usual swearing or did he seem pissed? Last Order may be sick

>>157117867
Rapefugees deserve to die. I'm glad Mikoto is shedding the moralfaggotry.

>>157117889
That's a shame.

>>157117476
I hope so too

>>157117505
>Implying Aneri isn't Skynet but cute

Aneri would be a cute AI on Hamazura phone screen

>>157117777
Mugino is used goods with fake body parts

>Arthur Conan Doyle and Bram Stoker were ,e,bers of Golden Dawn.
Touma punching Sherlock and Dracula when?

Also,
>According to Crowley's memoirs, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Mathers was in the habit of ostensibly playing chess matches against various pagan gods. Mathers would set up the chessboard and seat himself behind the white pieces, with an empty chair opposite him. After making a move for himself, Mathers would then shade his eyes and peer towards the empty chair, waiting for his opponent to signal a move. Mathers would then move a black piece accordingly, then make his next move as white, and so forth. Crowley did not record who won.

Mathers was friends with the Magic Gods. Maybe he became jealous Crowley was more fitting to be the next god?

> Tfw the Battle Royal characters were cameo'd in the recent chapter of the Index manga

We're finally moving forward bros.

>>157118068
Would a fake hymen make her better?

>>157118104
Isn't Mathers the guy that summoned Chronozon?

Is Fiamma still in the hospital?

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>>157118142
>you can see Frenda's legs behind Mugino

>>157118104
>Touma punching Sherlock and Dracula when?
Are they lolis?

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>>157118241
YAMERO
NO BULLY

>>157118191
Yeah. Maybe jealousy or, he was on the side of the Magic Gods.

>>157118142
Never thought I'd live to see the day the manga would overtake the anime.

>>157117828
Thrice, much like Touma with Accel. Except Accel wasn't even trying to win at least twice.
The spars with Mikoto don't really count either.

Now that's revealed that IB is an arrow made from a hand, Terra's comment on Touma not using it properly and the speculation that it could be usid with a wider range all mak sense. In 10+ volumes, we will se Touma detaching his arm and throwing it at his enemies like a boomerang.

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>>157118508
>be Chuuya
>become one of Kamachi's best artists
>finally get your time to shine and surpass the anime
>3 cour anime gets announced
>you won't pass it up for another 7+ years

>>157118539
He was going to snipe High Priest.

>>157118539
>limb exploder wasn't a meme

>>157118589
>3 cour anime gets announced
heh

>>157118589
At least the manga is progressing. As long as it goes over the entirety of OT a lot of us will be glad. The only question is, will NT get a manga spin off? Assuming Chuya isn't tired as fuck already.

>>157114968
So is anyone else really terrified of the fact that the Thelema Devil is unsupervised in a city of 2 million Thelema Magicians?

>>157118714
I'm sure he'd have tons of fun drawing a billion different Aleisters

>>157118539
>Touma gets pissed off at Chronozon because it got too close to his headcrab and fairy
>Tears off arm to throw it at whatever supernatural crap it fires off, cancelling any and all of it
>Invisible Thing follows in the wake of nullified space to Chronozon and eats it's fucking face
>Regen kicks in afterwards and it's done

Pretty efficient way to fuck some guys up, honestly

>>157118142
I find it incredibly reassuring to know that the manga is going to get there soon, with or without an S3 announcement.

>>157118768
Looks like Gunha's moment to shine.

>>157118984
S3 getting announced is only a matter of time, I don't know if Miki saying "Just wait a bit longer" was bullshit but likewise I'm glad the manga is stepping up.

>>157117602
As if Mikoto will let him punch instead of frying his brain like a crisp

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>>157119288

>Miki and Dengeki say that Season 3 is in the works
>multiple hints at it
>Twitter becomes active again
>Astral Buddy manga out of nowhere
>Accel is moving past it's first arc
>Railgun is rapping up it's arc
>Index manga is finally about to overtake the anime
>This entire volume is fucking HAPPENING

Season 3 is absolutely happening. Believe in the memes.

>>157118984
>inb4 it pulls a Railgun and tell you to read the LN and skips the arc entirly

>>157119471

>Index manga skipping 10 arcs

Nah.

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Praise Kekota every day for Season 3

>>157118768
2 million thelema magicians?

>>157119640
Espers

>>157119640
Espers

>>157119660
>>157119667
Oh.. thanks!

>>157119640
Espers
Since Big Al basically used magic in their creation

On that note, do you guys think we'll ever see any of the espers from prior generations? Because the system for making them has clearly been around for some time so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.

>>157119735
>yfw there's a flasback to thelema abbey
>after eating shit and fucking goats a young thelemite is finally able to lift stuff off the ground becoming the first esper
>Aleister sees this as super cool but the process is unrefined, and think it needs some SCIENCE

>>157119457
I believe to the maximum, if it doesn't happen because this volume sells like crazy I'm going to kill something.

>>157119505
This, the only reason it skipped an arc in the past was because they didn't know if it would be popular or not, that's not an issue anymore though so we're all good.

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So... How exactly Aleister ability works?

>>157119940
Which ability?

>>157119940
>How exactly Aleister ability works?
Yes.

>>157119902
>Geriatric ass espers come around but their powers are only level 1, level 2 at best
>Due to shear experience, however, they can basically hold their own against level 3s and maybe some 4s

Old people being badass and people compensating for having weak ass powers are my shit

I just started reading the railgun manga.

Jesus Christ. Awaki really is a pedophile. Wow.

>>157120107
Kuroko is next.

>>157119902
Actually, Raildex magic is not that far from science. The base is unscientific, but the methods are pretty much in line with real science. A proper combination of both could be really powerful. Kind of like Ladylee's Endymion, use science to build the world's biggest magic circle.

>>157120107
>Jesus Christ. Awaki really is a pedophile. Wow.
Awaki is pedo, Kuroko is lesbian, Mikoto is a tsundere.

What next?

>>157120078
Heaven Canceller is the first non-gemstone esper.

Is it true that they will remake the first two seasons before they announce S3? I heard they do it to put the space elevator in the background.

>>157120271
Somehow, I want it to be that he was a previous user of IB
That way he can actually be relevant again beyond just being the guy that constantly patches up Touma

>>157120349

No? Where the hell did you hear that?

>>157120349
No?

>>157120349
That would be fucking terrible why make a remake just make S3

>>157120107
>“This exhibitionist shotacon girl actually sees us as perverts.” “Yeah nyaa.” “You’re right.”

>“Whaaa?! *cough cough cough cough* Wh-wh-wh-what do you people have as proof to say others are a shotacon?!!”

Did you think they were joking?

The manga scene only makes the above funnier; Awaki probably thought she was being subtle.

So espers and gemstones are totally different then? Is Gunha mistakenly classified as an esper?

>>157119100

More like to job.

>>157119940

He achieved the ultimate magic. The magic to become a little girl.

>>157120107

I want to use magic to become a little boy then let Awaki kidnap me.

>>157120349
>new Index anime is announced
>it's a remake of S1 and S2
>it sells like shit
>S3 never ever
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>157120751
Mind you, I could be wrong about any of this since it's been a bit since I read about them.
Gemstones are just bastards lucky enough to be born with superpowers. Sort of like Saints but their power is their own and not drawn from some other source
Espers are basically an attempt to reproduce Gemstones
Gunha's just a powerful, natural gemstone that got put through the cities curriculum

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>>157120922
>remaking something that was never completed in the first place

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>>157120349
>>157120922
this is stupid

>>157120751
Gemstones are mutants, with the mutations that cause the super powers occuring naturally. They are born with their powers.
Espers are artifically modified with surgery and chemicals to induce the effect of the mutations. It's more effective the younger the patient is. The process is not polished completely, there are some subtle differences between how Espers and Gemstones work.

Do we have any confirmation about Kamachi and Miki wanting Pierrot to do Index anime because they want a studio experienced with long series?

>>157121023
Where does the Thelema come in?

>>157120980

What is this game for again? Vita?

>>157121079
Thelema has nothing to do with Gemstones (as far as we know), but NT17 hints that Espers and their powers are derived from something Thelema related, and that at its core its just modified magic.

>>157120963
>>157121023

Gemstones are X-Men. Espers are Thelema magicians created with "science".

>>157120980
Are you just a chink shill in disguise because you keep attaching these screenshots to completely unrelated posts

>>157121065
Why Pierrot? They have shit animations

>>157121065
I believe the only source of that is some guy namefagging as Miki, and we can be about 99.9999999% sure that he's a fake.

>>157120349
I doubt it. That would kill the joke in the movie where Index, who has perfect memory, doesn't remember it at all.

The endgame of this series might include Aleister succeeding in wiping out magic, but Touma being forced to defeat him and Aiwass by using Imagine Breaker in a way that destroys Thelema and esper abilities as well, leaving everyone in the world unable to use any kind of power. The world would likely become way more peaceful as a result.

>>157121133
>>157121138
So espers aren't science at all?

>>157121079
The operation and the chemicals only give you powers, but they need to be developed. The whole power development in schools and the theory behind how the powers work is pretty much Thelema.

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>>157121115
Mobile, but play it on a emulator like an ormal person should

>>157121155
>shilling a free game
Though if I could actually read chinese it'd probably be easier on me to find information

>>157121315

Gotcha

>>157121289
Espers are science and magic combined. They are still closer to science, because the AIM-mana incompatibility affects them.

>>157121243
That wouldn't work, because Gemstones are natural.

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>>157117476
I hope Aneri is hot and makes Item jealous as fuck.

>>157121243
The world almost got destroyed dozens of times in the five month span of this series. From a narrative standpoint it's going to have to end with everything supernatural being wiped out. Thematically everything supernatural being wiped out is in line with everything presented by Kamachi thus far. So yes, all things supernatural will cease to exist. That's what makes the most sense from both a narrative and thematic standpoint, so it's dumb to expect anything else.

>>157121467
>it's a kids grew out of their powers ending
Please no.

>>157121364
The correct term would be magick, but trying to fall under the laws of physics still. But an interesting question would: how would those powers work in the Aeon of Horus, where they should be natural?

>>157121364

Nope. It's literally magic just a different format.

Just look what Kiharas can do with multi skill or AIM creations. It's absolutely magic.

>>157121523
More like bad guys rip power away from everyone

So, which would you choose?

>Using Idol Theory on a perrson or concept of your choosing, potentionally ending up anywhere between shit tier and high tier magician

or

>Going through the Power Development Curriculum, getting a power based on your personality, ending up between Level 1 and Level 4

>>157121243
>The world would likely become way more peaceful as a result.
Not with Kamachi writing it. I'd give it 2 months at most without magic for some random conspiration to be unveiled with some huge world-ending scientific plan.
Or just Objects.

>>157121594

Magic is far better if you have a choice.

>>157121315
where do you get it?

>>157121415
Would Imagine Breaker even work against gemstones then?

>>157121243
>The world would likely become way more peaceful as a result

With Kiharas and all the weird AC tech? Nope.

>>157121594
>become magician
>join cabal focused on meme magic
instant mid-tier at the very least

>>157121578
That's questionable. Because it was explicitly stated that things like IT don't fall under either, and we can be sure that it's related to Thelema/Magick, so it might be best to see it as a third type.

So who here is autistic enough to resub Index I and II to have Lola instead of Laura?

>>157121594
Getting experimented on by Aleister so I don't have to get cucked by the Board of Directors not putting resources into developing my powers or having to be a shitty rip-off of some deity.

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>>157121594
> getting (probably shit) power and dying is using magic
> getting power of your choice (with enough autistic dedication) without side effects
not really a choice if you ask me

>>157121713
We don't need to. Just use Lola for any material that's beyond NT18.

>>157121626
>The moment Index ends, HO begins
Kamachi is a genius.

>>157121713
Don't they still pronounce it as Laura in the audio, though?

>>157121749
>implying you really have a choice at what your power is
>implying there's also not the chance for you to be stuck at level 0
It's all a big sham. Being a Gemstone is the best option but less than 1% of anyone would have that option

>>157121713
>Kamachi is laughing at the anime studio, translators, and english-speaking fans right now

>>157121656
You might as well wait, I'll say when the next beta starts(its apparently this month) and I'll tell you if its worth going into chink land to download the apk

>>157121644
But it requires a fuck-ton more effort and there are a lot more hidden Dead Ends if you start researching something you shouldn't.

>>157121749
Stiyl counts as high tier magician. Whose powes would you want, Stiyl or Kuroko? Also a magician is much more work, espers get free power.

>>157121592
It has to be that
Kids growing up or whatever is just plain retarded
Especially when this series isn't necessarily a heavily meta one

>>157121680
Leaning towards it most likely should. They may be born with the abilities, but they are still supernatural. IB is fickle as fuck anyway, so who knows.

>>157121523
>It's an anon is too dumb to understand the themes of a series post

>>157121804
I dunno. What if you end up like Aisa and become a nexus of suffering and despair.

>>157121843

Except there are 12y old magicians stronger than lv5 espers. Espers at that age are not even lv4.

If magic was that hard little kids would never be able to master it.

>>157121804
Best option is to born special like Fiamma

>>157121799
They pronounce it as rora, which could be either.

Would a Magician be able to copy Accelerator or Kakine's powers with Idol Theory?

>>157121594
I'd rather have to put forth effort to get high-tier magic than to risk my shit luck rolling me a level 1 ability to grow out my taint hairs a quarter of an inch or to get nothing at all because some douche in a pisstube is deciding my fate

>>157121962
As seen with some characters, others are born luckier than others. Stiyl is only 14 for example and a good magician

>>157121865
Stiyl is a jobber.
Most of his power comes from Innocentius carrying him

>>157121911
With the new revelation about IB's origin, I would lean towards not working on Gemstones. It was used to keep summoned stuff in check, what it negates is more about being unnatural, then supernatural.

>>157121865

Innocentius would kill most lv5 espers.

And Teleportation is incredibly rare. You could very well get the power to talk with rodents or make bananas change color.

>>157121865
> Innocentius
> 3x Innocentius
> Flame Sword
> Various Minor Spells
How shitty teleportation can evne compare?

>>157121865
Kuroko is an unfair example because the only esper power I want more than Kuroko's are Accel's, Gunha's and Kakine's

Also Espers have to do autistic calculations for their powers to work, so it's not that easy for them. Magicians have to do autistic historical and mythological research, which sounds far more fun.

>>157121991
Their exact powers? No. But the ability to manipulate vectors and create dark matter?

In theory yes, but those two can only do it because of their subconscious calculation powers, because understanding vectors and dark matter in the first place is next to impossible.

>>157121991

Why? They can do better shit than that.

>>157122094
>Also Espers have to do autistic calculations for their powers to work
depends on the power

>>157121865
Do I have to look 16 years older and smoke despite being underage to be like Stiyl?

>>157122109

Nope. All esper powers work like that.

>>157121991
Maybe if they were more famous? It seems like one key part of Idol Theory is that the "Idol" you're emulating has been worshipped by or at least heard of by a large group of people. It doesn't matter whether the thing actually happened (e.g. fairy tale based magicians) as long as everyone knows the story.

>>157121594
>not going full Kihara

>>157122066
>yfw your power is metamorphose
>but all you can change into is to become a little girl.

>>157122029
That's what I'm talking about. If you choose magic, you can reach high tier with an insane amount of work and dedication, yet still be a jobber. If you roll a Level 3 power, that's diverse enough to find some usufulness in eveyday life. Even a level 1 power can be nice.

>>157121865

Styil was able to tank Dragon's Breath for a moment.

That spell would kill Accelerator or Kakine in a second.

>>157121865
>Stiyl
>worked hard and gained power
>Kuroko
>has power that she put some effort into, yes, but that was only allowed because the douche in the pisstube decided that she could

Magicians aren't totally barred from learning magic
Espers have to be lucky enough to catch Aleister's eye in order to get their power

>>157122150
> as long as everyone knows the story.
But many of the spells are based on some obscure as fuck shit.

>>157122157
I was just about to say this

Being a Kihara is the absolute best for either route.
>enough scientific knowledge to be better at being an esper and get the most out of it
>have a flexible enough mind to learn magic and use it in tandem with your scientific knowledge

>>157122067
Kuroko could defeat Styil in a serious fight. Needle to the brain is effective and quick.

>>157121594
Choose magic, bullshit your way through it by using spells in a way they're not supposed to be used and pull an Ollerus.

>>157122189
> Even a level 1 power can be nice.
Name at least one useful level 1 power in series. Level 0 or GTFO.

>>157122029
Innocentius is pretty shit anyway. 3000 degrees is fucking nothing when compared to what 90% of the characters in the series can do.

>>157122094
>understanding vectors [...] is next to impossible
You know vectors are a real thing that's taught to 16 year olds, right? Sure you don't get on to the actual complex 3 dimensional stuff until the first year of University, but it's not anywhere near the ballpark of "Here's some white goo I made up that defies the laws of physics". It is true that mentally making vector calculations at the rate Accel does is impossible for someone that isn't a computer, though.

>>157122189

Bullshit. The only really good lv3 powers we saw so far is that Scavenger girl with her paper stuff and that Railgun girl who can change buoyancy.

All other lv3 powers are shit less useful than a cheap 9mm gun.

Espers start getting good at lv4 and even then they are far worse than competent magicians like Lessar. Not even mentioning really powerful magicians.

>>157122197
>the guy who tanked a Telesma beam strong enough to split Eurasia apart couldn't tank Pendex's shitty Dragon Breath

>>157122279
Pull an Ollerus? You mean trying to be a magic god?

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Remember that time Stiyl held off Pendex for fucking ever? Stop sleeping on him

>>157122227
> Magicians aren't totally barred from learning magic
Yeah, they are just banned from laminating their runes and shit like that. Good luck using meme magic without modern technology.

>>157121762
Only reason to do that is if there is a story related reason for her going by a different name.

>>157122147
No, you talk as if all the powers follow the same level of calculations, Accel has to do way more than Uiharu for example, passive abilities also exist afaik

>>157122317
Fuck meant for
>>157122096

>>157122150
Can you get Archetype powers if you apply Idol Theory to Jung, or the Idol needs to have magic power on it's own?

>>157122339
Try to fail to become a magic god.

>>157122252
> Needle to the brain
3000 degree C° flame sword is as effective, if not more

>>157122339
No, I mean become unstoppable by using an incomprehensible power like he does with Hlidskjalf.
Also, I thought becoming a magic god "only" required that you become the leading world expert on your particular field of magic? Eg. Norse for Othinus, egyptian for Neph, etc.

>>157122058
Honestly, until we read the volume to know for sure, I have serious reservations about the hand arrow IB and Touma's IB being the same thing.

It wouldn't shock me if they serve the same function in Crowley's plan and therefore the same name, but are seperate powers.

>>157122341
> pendex
She is a jobber too.

>>157122279
Styil should just bullshit his Innocentiuses and put a trinity within a trinity.
>1 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 Innocentius
>59049 Innocentius
How can espers even compare

>>157122317
>It is true that mentally making vector calculations at the rate Accel does is impossible for someone that isn't a computer, though.
This is exactly what I mean. No magician is going to be able to make a spell that manipulates something to a degree that they can't understand without a personal reality. The same goes for DM when it can't even be defined.

It'd just be easier to bullshit your way past a means like that, and go straight to the result and pull a Terra-lite

>>157122286
Uiharu's. Imagine your icecreams never melting.

>>157122396
I see, I don't this it's easy to do that
I don't know perhaps

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Random
Can you beat Chronozon?

>>157122252

All he has to do to kill her is cast the simplest curse and her veins explode.

And Kuroko is a bad example since she has one of the most useful esper powers in the series.

Besides, Styil is a jobber. Remember when Lessar and that russian magician were throwing magic at each other when not even being in line of sight? Magic is insanely versatile.

>>157122445
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Light-Darkness_Mimicry
It will be a good fight

>>157122066
>Innocentius would kill most lv5 espers.

No. Mikoto, Kakine, Accel and Mugino all have the capacity to overwhelm Innocentius and destroy the rune cards without even breaking a sweat. This is not even up for debate.

>>157122396
It requires that you fulfill a certain culture's requisites to become a god.
If I remember correctly Magic Gods aren't even using Idol Theory because they aren't doing the same shit that a certain deity did to become a god, they ARE said deities.

>>157122445
fuck me
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Detection

>>157122445
>Atomic Resistance
Wew.

>>157122445
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Telepathic_Mimicry

maybe

>>157122336

That was angel mode Accel.

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>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Dimensional_Slicing
Huh, so I'm literally Carissa.

>>157122433
Guys! What if we... force Innocentius to pose as runes to summon earth-sized Innocentius?

>>157122445
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Corrupted_Blood
Great, I am fucking Himegami.

>>157122433
>All Aleisters will be defeated by a billion Innocentii.

>>157122252
If she has a drop on him. Mirages + AOE spell to heat the environment and distract her + fireball to the brain

>>157122445
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Selective_Force-Field
Well, at least I can properly defend myself.

>>157122304

Innocentius is a fire golem that regenerates so fast IB can do shit to it. Accel could maybe do something about it but every other esper is fucked.

>>157121594
>Using Idol theory on ctulhu
>?????
>Profit

>>157122489
> Mugino
> can't even overwhelm one zero level
> have the capacity to overwhelm Innocentius

>>157122490
The magic used by Magic Gods is leagues above what normal magicians use though, it can't even be compared.
Which makes me wonder what Aleister's magick will look like once the Aeon of Horus comes about.

>>157122348
But that has nothing to do with learning magic you fucking goober.
That's just something against the laws that prevent science from getting mingled with magic and that's something that people can CLEARLY just ignore.
For fucks sake, there was a goddamn Kihara that became a magician.
What more says modern technology in Raildex than just simply being a Kihara?

>>157122445
Freshness Manipulation

Well fuck, at least I don't need to ever buy a fridge.

>>157122588
>trying to gain powers from the "myths" that all about people getting fucked up or going crazy for seeking knowledge

>>157122445
>Enhanced smell

>>157122489
>Mikoto, Kakine, Accel and Mugino all have the capacity to overwhelm Innocentius

Except they don't. Innocentius could tank Pendex attacks and Imagine Breaker. Physical attacks do nothing to it.

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>>157122657
Congrats.

>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Slayer
WHAT DO I WIN

>>157122252
>illusion magic
>fire golems never die
>people clearing spell will never let her find him and will fuck up her powes

She has no chance lad

>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Communication

If I can talk it down maybe. Or I could ask the Magic Gods for help.

But no, I'd probably just use it to flirt with Othinus.

>>157122619
>Implying Styil would be able to do shit against Hamazura

>>157122445

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodlessness

I can beat Himegami?

>>157122489
Can Misaki control Innocentius?

>>157122582
Mikoto would just zap him from a distance

>>157122657
You're a valuable asset to team SNIFF.

>>157122722

And it would do absolutely nothing.

>>157122588
Magicians literally tried to do that in Necessarius SS

>>157122389
>3000 degree C° flame sword is as effective, if not more

How about a 30,000 degree C° lightning bolt to the face?

>>157122684
Rakko is listed as Level 0, but her sniff powers were never explained. Maybe it's a weak Level 0 "ability" like Tsuchimikado's.

>>157122720

Her power works by manipulating moisture in the brain.

>>157122768
It worked?

>>157122761
>stiyl somehow immune to electricity because anon said so

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>>157122588
That already happened

>>157122787
Still can't beat Innocentius

What happens if I use Idol Theory to imitate Aleister Crowley?

>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Broom_Manipulation
I'm working on it.

>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Remaking
Looks like it.

>>157122706
>ARRRGH NIANG NIANG IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
Wait, that's probably post-NT17 Kamisato.

>>157122835
Is that the Forgotten God?

>>157122831

We are talking about Innocentius not Styil.

And how is she going to attack him when he has the people clearing spell on?

>>157122796
It's kind of bullshit because she can tell exactly what you're doing at all times. It should be a level 2 power at least.

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>>157122722
Scratch this. Mikoto can summon her own Innocentius.

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>>157122445
>http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Belief_Vocifery
I win.
inb4deleted

>>157122876
>ARRRGH HIGH PRIEST HELP ME
oh wait

>>157122889
It is a spell thay makes people go crazy iirc by making them see cthulu.

The real plan was to summon cthulu for real but the cabal got stopped.

>>157122903

Innocentius tanked IB. Mikoto's creations would get instantly dispelled.

>>157122889
It is just R'leyh summoning. It was used not for destruction, but for inspiration.

>>157122920
Fuck off Izzard. We already know that's not your power

>>157122157
Who is the smartest kihara? The one who nearly killed ACCEL?

>>157122892
>We are talking about Innocentius not Styil.
Who the fuck else is going to summon innocentius

>And how is she going to attack him when he has the people clearing spell on?
How would it prevent her from attacking?

>>157123009
Either Gensei or Noukan.

>>157123009
Noukan or someone we haven't seen. Amata just specialized in fighting high level espers.

Are we ever going to hear about Metatron? He's pretty important.

Also, could a magician potentially master several high level spells from various fields of magic, or do all magicians have to focus on one field only?

>>157122920
That's just Idol Theory, so you're an an average magician you can find anywhere.

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>>157123009
Enshuu is pure autistic intelligence, so much so that they had to lock her up for the sake of the city.

>>157123021
>Who the fuck else is going to summon Innocentius
Innocentius.

>>157123051
then Amata is the strongest kihara?

>>157122979
Stop using the word tank you autist
And the reason innocentius survived IB is because it's self-regenerating, not because it's too strong to be disspelled

>>157122844
It probably wouldn't be reliable as he has billions of possibilities so there is nothing defined to imitate so to speak.

>>157123074
Man I really hope she gets out of prison soon

>>157123074
I want her to be relevant to the story again somehow.
She's too cute to be left out damn it!

>>157122582
>>157122671

Are you guys fucking serious? Your small minds can't fathom a way for a top ranked level 5 to apply their ability to stop a simple golem made of fire that isn't even a fraction as powerful as their own abilities? Nevermind the fact that they can just focus on the runes or one shot Stiyl himself.

>>157123076
>burns own runes
>dissapears

>>157123074
But can she understand Othinus?

>>157122979
But it would be against Innocentius, not IB.

>>157123089
The strongest is Noukan and Yuiitsu. Amata wasn't particularly strong, it's just he has counters for their powers.

>>157123009
Kamijou Touma

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>>157123089
Enshuu channeling her big bro Touma is
reminder that she knows about old Touma

>>157122445
>The ability to view every event across all of the infinite timelines simultaneously.
>implying I wouldn't just let Choronzon do whatever the fuck he wants and chill in my room watching the Demon King Touma timeline

>>157123021
>How would it prevent her from attacking?
She would never be able to locate stiyl in the first place. People clearing doesn't work on Touma and every magician can spot instantly. However for normal people and those that don't magic is an insurmountable wall, mikoto herself was kept out of Acqua fight because of one..

>>157123123
Level 5's think they're the strongest in the world because they're mostly ignorant of the world of magic outside Academy City's walls. They can wreck your average mage, but stand no chance against top magic side people unless they're Accelerator or Gunha.

>>157123052
> do all magicians have to focus on one field only
Not necessarily, but this kind of help.

>>157123009
Bersi.

>>157123052
For the avarage person it probably needs half a decade to make a few inches flame on their finger, focusing on one field. Doing multipe fields simply too time consuming, but I guess it's doable.

>>157123157
>reminder that she knows about old Touma
wait she does?

>>157123216
>that sweet Mikoto despair
Uho hoi

>>157123216
> Accelerator
He jobbed to average smart mages. The real guy who you wouldn't mess up with is Kakine.

>>157123298
I wonder who's behind this post

>>157123188
She's a walking radar at this point

>>157123123

Did you even read novels? Innocentius is powerful enough to not get dispelled by Imagine Breaker.

And Stiyl can easily hide himself with magic espers could do shit against.

>>157123218
>>157123259
Are some fields of magic easier to become proficient with than others?
I'm guessing the easiest would be Christianity while the hardest would probably be Thelema or the Cthulhu mythos.

>>157123216
All the level 5s can put up a fight with high level magicians as long as they have some creativity. Hell, Normal highschool boys could, that's the point made thoroughout the whole series.
Except meta shit like Holy Right, obviously.

>>157123298
Kakine is his worst enemy. I'm sure he'll make a reason to lose for himself.

>>157123089

Yuiitsu > Noukan > Enshuu >> rest

>Do you think you have defeated the Kiharas just because you pushed back Amata-ojisan? Ransuu-ojisan, Gensei-ojiisan, Byouri-obasan, Nayuta-chan, Yuiitsu-oneechan, Jouryuu-oniichan, Konshou-oneechan, Chokuryuu-kun, Doutai-ojisan, Kagun-ojisan, Bunri-oniichan, Sousai-chan, Kenbi-obasan, Bunshi-oniichan, Therestina-obasan, Kouten-oneechan. I may indeed lack something as a Kihara, but I am supported by the combat patterns of 5000 Kiharas!! Mere undergrowth that has not taken a step into the darkness of Academy City cannot hope to break this great tree!!
Will Kamachi ever introduce all the Kiharas that Enshuu mentioned?

>>157123123
>focus on the runes
>espers being able to figure out the runes are the problem

It's not even a thing of them not being smart enough, AC pretty much programs to them not to understand magic. Only accel has overcame that. Also I don't think you realize how strong pendex is and what it means for stiyl to not get destroyed by her.

>>157123266
Well how else did she get his thought patterns

>>157123298

Kakine is even easier to counter than Accel. Especially if he flies. The moment you start flying you are instantly fucked even vs mid tier magician.

>>157123331
>Innocentius is powerful enough to not get dispelled by Imagine Breaker.
>powerful enough
No, it's just generating fire constantly. The fire that gets negated generates back. If Touma could reach the core, it would disappear instantly.

>>157123419
oh yeah. man I really hope she gets her own side novel of how she met Touma

>>157123351
>All the level 5s can put up a fight with high level magicians

They can't put a fight against mid tier magicians.

All magicians need to do is cast the simplest curse at them and they would start vomiting blood. Just like Accel did in Hawaii.

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>>157123388
Yes. All of those names also mean something related to science/math in Japanese

>>157123426
Are you talking about that anti flight spell? That's if you fly by magic. And even if it did affect espers, Kakine literally has wings. The spell wouldn't work.

>>157123426
That really depends on if the spell considers DM wings similar to magic. It doesn't just work on anything it fucks up magically assisted flight.

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>>157123348
Hardest one is Alchemy, only one guy got results.

>>157123471
I just want to see what happens if she meets him now

>>157123394
If all the espers get a lecture in magic, would they stand on more even ground with magicians?

>>157123547
He got some real bitching results though for his efforts

>>157123495
According with the wiki the unmentioned ones are:
>Konshou (混晶): Mixed crystal
>Sokuryou (測量): Surveying
>Kaihou (解法): Solution
>Jouryuu (蒸留): Distillation
>Chokuryuu (直流): Direct Current (DC)
>Doutai (導体): Conductor (i.e. of electricity)
>Bunri (分離): Separation
>Sousai (相殺): Offsetting
>Kenbi (顕微): Microscopic
>Bunshi (分子): Molecule
>Kouten (公転): Revolution (i.e. of heavens)
The last one sounds pretty chunni.

>>157123528

It affects everything flying because flying human is unnatural. NT2 explains that.

They were afraid it could kill Kanzaki when she was flying inside a missile.

>>157123351
>they can put at fight against high level magicians
>except for high level magician

Anon where are you putting the high level bar at?

>>157123547
Doesn't the very nature of alchemy prevent anyone from mastering it in less than a lifetime without using shortcuts like what Izzard did?

>>157123630
>Revolution
Guaranteed to be relevant

>>157123493
At least being a level 5 grants you plot armor as a secondary ability.

>>157123630
>>157123650
It's Aogami.

>>157123598
Probably, not knowing about magic hurts them more than not being able to do it/not having a counter

>>157123127
Anyone who browses tumblr and listens to Evanescence can understand Othinus.

>>157123639
Basically, this. You need to cut hundreds if not thousands of corners to actually finish anything with that.

>>157123684
>Kouten-oneechan
>Aogami

>>157123598

No because they lack the magic to dispel magic. They would be fucked even against the most basic magic formulas.

Magicians can also easily enhance their bodies. Lessar was able to easily rip apart a machine Mikoto was having trouble against.

>>157123636
GRS is mid tier, obviously.

>>157123636
Fiamma isn't highlevel. He's gamebreaking.
No other magician would be able to do shit against him either.

>>157123721
Guess he's into crossdressing too

>>157123571
Yeah that would be great too

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>>157123711

>>157123721
>Aogami is a cross-dressing revolutionary mad scientist
Wouldn't surprise me.

>we're finally getting historical characters now
Aleister Crowley SS fucking when?

>>157123714
Could Crowley have done it?
>>157123735
Fiamma is pretty much the limit above which powerlevels don't exist anymore.

>>157123735
Ollerus and Crowley probably got a chance (?)

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>>157123639

Just use shortcuts or extent your life.

>magic side shit
yawn

>>157123810
>we have to deal with a billion shitposting Aleisters now

>>157123785
Yes and he could have done it both ways. He seems to be able to live forever as far time goes and he has a billion bodies so he could do the everyone chanting a section thing.

>>157123735
A mummy moving at high speeds is enough to defeat Fiamma.

>>157123785
> Could Crowley have done it?
He could become Magic if he really wanted to, but Alchemy is useless for what is his scheme is.

>>157123790
How would Ollerus deal with Fiamma?
Even Aleister took him by surprise and didn't want to risk shit.

>>157123735

Fiamma at absolute peak with fortress, pendex and his power to save the world? Sure only top tiers could do anything.

Standard Fiamma? Nope. Thor, Birdway or Vento could easily deal with him.

>>157123857
A mummy moving at high speeds is enough to nearly kill a MC

>>157123810
Hello, mobilecuck.

>>157123871
*Magic God

>IB was created from some alchemy shit
>Izzard never brought it up
ONE JOB

>>157123895
>Even Aleister took him by surprise and didn't want to risk shit.

Now this is bullcrap.

>>157123900
>Birdway
I'd argue against this but Vento only can do it because of that passive ability which she's already lost

>>157123930
Izzard is a moron.

>>157123957

Ice fleet Vento would destroy standard Fiamma. He only won because pendex.