Flip flappers

Next Madoka, they said
Anime will be saved, they said
Arthouse masterpiece, they said

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>>156968386

>>156968422
Just because nobody bought it doesn't mean it isn't a masterpiece

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>Cockona

>>156968450
I honestly thought it wasn't that good. The characters and dialogue were annoying. The stand-alone episodes were alright but it took a complete nose-dive in the second half.

And every fan is annoying as hell with their highschool English level interpretations where every useless plot device is suddenly something really symbolic even though they did literally nothing or where every shot suddenly has three layers of symbolism when it's actually just a vase with flowers like in yesterday's thread.

>>156968450
>masterpiece
>>156968551
my sides

What the hell are you feeding Papika, shitlord?

>>156968450
>masterpiece

Will Americans buy Flip Flappers?

>>156968386
Japan has shit taste.
News at 11

>>156968386
Look at the bright side it don't has huge drop like other series do.

>>156968386

BD sales don't matter anymore.

I'm sure the studio is getting profits from legit streams

>>156968386
god dammit japan

>>156969102
It's not really popular anywhere though. This series only has a tiny demographic and a lot of things that turn people off. It's like the creators didn't know who to pander to. Specifically, it's magical girl, moe, yuribait series with lolis and a lot of fanservice shots. It's very girly but in a way that it turns off women as well as men. I can't imagine that many people watched it.

>>156969034
Well it doesn't have a plateau to drop from in the first place.

>>156969102
>legit streams
cancerfags supporting anime? I find that hard to believe.

The money is in cross promotion. Books, figures, fuck toys, and most of all games. Is there a Flip Flappers pachinko? There is not. Flops don't get pachinko.

>>156969320

damn, not even figures for this anime ?

Great series also >>156968849

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>>156968386
Yeah. Keep on spamming the same threads that would die before hitting 100th post after 18 hours of desperate bumping.

I'm sure your life is worth nothing more

>>156968422
>Next Madoka, they said
Nobody said this.

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>>156968566
>but it took a complete nose-dive in the second half

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>>156968386
Pic related.

>>156968761
Haven't seen any updates from Sentai yet.

>>156968566
>every literary interpretation is 'highschool level' because I don't like it
Real highschool level criticism right here.

>>156968761
What publisher would want to get the rights of an unpopular series?

>>156969611
http://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/flappers%20next%20madoka/

>>156969102
Fuck off CR shill.

>>156969352
A figure was announced early in the show's airing cycle
And the company that announced it has still said absolutely nothing more on the subject now 7 months later

>>156969733
Sentai licensed it before it aired.

>>156969731
Anon was right though. Best part of flip flop threads was watching the mental gymnastics people went through over 2deep4u slop.

>>156968714
>not feeding Papika your cock so she can get over her lesbian phase and leave that needy little loser behind
You gotta think ahead, anon.

>>156969391
This

Fucking flipflappers stop being so pathetic. There's nothing left to discuss
And you got to be fucking honest with yourself it wasn't that fucking great since the Mimi plot took over.

>>156969731
He's right though. I laughed my as off reading some fan analysis of how Mimi's character is so fucking complex for her issues. Don't get me started on those fucking articles and youtube videos about real-'lesbianism' that started popping up when the show was airing.

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>>156969742
>two posts asking if this is the next madoka
>out of the hundreds threads over the course of its airing time
Oh wow.

Flip Flappers is airing in Poland dubbed, stop complaining

>>156969847
I want to hear polish Papika

>>156969847
The dub is shit.

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>>156969800
>>156969816
Did you miss the part where Oshiyama confirmed that the show was based on jungian psychology, like the threads speculated?

>>156969855
No, you don't. Trust me.

>>156969847
>>156969857
No use trying to Polish a turd.

>>156969871
They said the same thing about Xenosaga. It's all just babble and fluff in the end.

>>156969903
>It's all just babble and fluff in the end.
Now this is some real high-school level stuff right here

>>156969871
I noticed the symbolism, anon. You gotta be 100% brain retarded not to notice all the womb and penis shots, I loved them for doing it. It still doesn't mean it's as deep as some of you faggots believe. Some of the posts were truly laughable, as if anons were completely blinded by their own analysis and forgot what makes a good story.

>>156969809
>>156969809
They are meant for eachother, my dude.

>>156968450
It would have been good had it kept the Pure Illusion exploration theme for another cour or so. But no, it took the totally predictable path
of "Gendo Ikari gathers Dragon Balls to bring back his wife" trope.

>>156969816
I find the interpretation of the fanservice incredibly funny. Somehow every buttshot is actually criticism of the male gaze instead of just a buttshot. It's funny seeing them trying to wrap their heads around what the hell Nyunyu's point was in the series.

>>156969871
You watched an Alice in Wonderland type story that had a few literary references.

>>156969903
>It's all just babble and fluff in the end.
Well the series was conceptualized in a way that if you don't care for these things you can still enjoy the show. But it's evident that the show was set up for this from the beginning,

>>156969940
Jeez anon, some people just have fun speculating and analyzing. The big surprise was that some of this came out to be true.

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>>156969954
Lots of relationships between absolutely compatible soulmates come apart at the seems because one can't keep their libido in check, or because they get to high on themselves and think they can trade on their looks for a better deal.

Papika is definitely the sort of girl to be weak to a little bit of dick, and it won't be long before she sees Cocona's selfish wet-blanket attitude as something that's just holding her back from scratching that primal itch. Look at this body and tell me it's not something built to be handled roughly by several large men at once. Cocona can't handle all of that herself, and soon Papika will know that as well as we already do.

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>>156969962
>But no, it took the totally predictable path
Nobody had predicted how this show would end. This was not predictable.

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Everyone please pay more respect to the flip flappers
Yayaka is angry

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>>156969969
>"criticism of the male gaze"
>literally so poorly educated he can't even mock analysis properly
Yikes, you're starting to embarrass yourself here, anon. Maybe you'd know what a highschool level analysis looked like if you'd finished highschool

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>>156969969
>Somehow every buttshot is actually criticism of the male gaze instead of just a buttshot
>criticism
I think you didn't get that "was that really necessary" is supposed to be a joke.
>It's funny seeing them trying to wrap their heads around what the hell Nyunyu's point was in the series
This is the biggest mystery of the universe. We are still working on this.

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>>156969924
Oh sorry, if only I had a PhD in mediocre anime interpretation like yourself I could finally see the genius of Flip Flappers.

>>156970012
Post a link to your fanfics, please. I want to read some more.

>>156969995
I'm not saying the speculation was all bad. I enjoyed some of it, all the OC the threads generated was great too.
But what I disliked the most was all the mental gymnastics (as another anon put it) to justify the poor second half of the show. I tried to discuss it at the time but some anons were so far up their ass they couldn't see what's wrong with it anymore, as their 'deep' understanding of the show means every poor sequence was intended and in fact - perfect, they found a way to fit it into their 'story'.

>>156970037
Perfect image for your post, kekk'd

>>156970037
I'm just paraphrasing one of the many analysis you guys made up. So what about Flip Flappers buttshot made them different from other buttshots? Why did Nyunyu wear a thong?

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>>156970124
>So what about Flip Flappers buttshot made them different from other buttshots?
Cocona's butt was F A T
>Why did Nyunyu wear a thong?
For me, specifically.

Next question.

>nyunyu gets introduced to show how easily yayaka can be replaced and that it even in the cults interest to do so
>a year later people still whine about a character who received hardly any screentime to have been introduced with for a simple purpose
I really don't get this. What's so hard about understanding that she wasn't supposed to be some fleshed out cast member but instead simply got introduced to drive home the point that yayaka is replaceable and that the team works best with 3 members? This has got to be some of the most retarded "criticism " I've ever seen.

>>156970105
What? Speculations going out of hand and anons defending the second half are two different topics. There is also not much wrong with the second half

>>156970158
If people argued that she was pointless that would be fine it's that people come up with stupid theories about her having some greater purpose because SYMBOLISM that's what stupid.

She also looked ridiculous so I do think it's natural to wonder why they chose such a character design.

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>>156970158
Because after she served her purpose, she went on existing for another 3 episodes, getting screentime in each

>>156970197
Nobody argued that she had some greater purpose. After she went with team Flip-Flap her entire purpose was being useless.

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Flip Flappers was amazing. It's a shame that it sold poorly, but I didn't really expect anything else from Japan's shit taste.

>>156970198
Yeah you certainly would have bitched less had the character that replaced yayaka on the "antagonists" team had suddenly vanished. You would have complained about that instead. But got ahead and clip some excessively animated sequences with her in it. As far as I recall she was mostly in stillshots, where she served as a filler character which sure as hel is not what I would consider valuable screentime.

>>156970197
What the fuck are you even talking about? The character wasn't pointless. It had a purpose. Whether or not you acknowledge that is irrelevant since its a fact.

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Can you faggots stop making threads about fucking masterpiece of an anime already? I mean holy shit.

>>156969102
What about western tv broadcasts? It already airs in my shithole on some niche cable channel, even songs are dubbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PFr39-oVWQ

>>156968450
Nagano, please.

>>156970803
I like Popika.

>>156970803
I honestly can't tell if this is good or bad singing.

>>156970803
>It already airs in my shithole on some niche cable channel
rips when

>>156970803
The song is kind of impressive but that's a pretty bad dub.
>CoCOna

>>156971388
Bad
>>156971413
Channel is available in two cities which aren't even big.

>>156971388
yeah it's pretty bad, dubs used to be good over there but the golden age of glorious cartoon dubbing in Poland is long over, and most of the material was destroyed in flood so no rereleases either.

>>156971503
oh, I assumed you live in one of them and have that channel

>>156970803
The dubbing is amateur as fuck, almost fandub tier.
I wish them good luck but they don't seem to be capable of handling stuff like that. I wonder how Kyoani is letting them dub their anime? They still don't even have a website.

>>156971515
It wasn't flood but fire that destroyed some bulding magazines of public tv.

>>156970485
That's why there is a FliFla thread.

I don't understand the lasting impression this show left on so many people. I say that considering how the show went belly up in its last arc and how the the winter season had so many shows that blew it out of the water in terms of general quality.

I won't lie though, its first 8 or so episodes I followed it and the threads religiously and after years staying away from seasonal anime I give it 100% credit for getting me back into it.

But Mimi's story was so bad. The animation for the finale action scenes was so bad. The fucking salt motor bike scene followed by the picture drama fucking bu-chan voice over travel montage was so terrible. NYUNYU. The yuri blue-balling was so annoying. Papika suffering was unnecessary.

It's the same as SnK season 1. The 8-9 episode buildup to the Eren titan reveal was so captivating, I genuinely thought I was about the witness the masterpiece of the 2010's and then the next 15 episodes happened and it turned out to be terribly paced Shonen snooze-fest. Yet people are still somehow head over heels for it.

>>156968424
What is this? What does Yamakan had to do with it?

>>156971926
>But Mimi's story was so bad
I have yet to see any explanation on why it's supposed to be bad.

>>156969391
Sounds like you're projecting about your own show. May i know what it's called?

>>156972364

Because it wasn't enjoyable. I get that that's a subjective opinion, but it has to be considered when a huge amount of people who watched the show share that same sentiment. As soon as the "plot" kicked in, people started jumping ship.

She wasn't a fun villian. She wasn't a deep villian. Having a shitty dark personality take over due to past trauma that dictates all the shitty things you do isn't new or exciting. It's a dime a dozen story that was introduced into a show that was flying on it's own without it but completely took over the narative.

>>156973146
>but it has to be considered when a huge amount of people who watched the show share that same sentiment
Post shitposting era considered the story-arc to not to be as strong as the rest, but still good.
>completely took over the narative
The narrative was about Cocona not getting eaten by her jungian croco-mum. Can't say that I've seen this much.

>>156969611
where were you during all of fall

>>156973519
In Fli-Fla threads, having fun. The other anon already failed.

>>156973289

You and I must have seen differing opinions then. The most prevalent complaint I saw (besides not commuting to the yuri) was the final story arc.

Croco-mum transformation was cool. One of the most vivid peices of imagery that's stuck with me since I finished the show. But besides the specific method of depiction having to overcome the tragic antagonist's dark side to survive and liberate their "true self" is pretty tried and true IMO.

>>156973146
>it was bad because I didn't enjoy it

>>156968386
I'd buy it if it came with Papika blowjobs.

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What is the point of these threads, just let it die. I dropped at episode 9 for a reason. Shit got boring. We got a few good reaction images, that's all. Move along citizen.

>>156974284
Only Cockona gets those.

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>>156974041
>The most prevalent complaint I saw (besides not commuting to the yuri) was the final story arc.
Yes, and? As I said most considered the story-arc not as good, but still good. It was not free of criticism, but that it somehow ruined the entire show is something that shitposters brought into the threads. The huge amount of shitposting made it difficult to ascertain everyones opinion anyway.
>But besides the specific method of depiction having to overcome the tragic antagonist's dark side to survive and liberate their "true self"
You are really simplifying it and caring about what that dark side is.

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>>156974306
This is an opinion only a dumb papika-poster would have.

>>156974165

Repeat after me, "I didn't enjoy the show, but it was a good show regardless of my personar experience with it." Now doesn't sound stupid?

But here try this simple phrase, "I didn't personally enjoy the show, and here are the reasons why I thought it was bad." Doesn't that sound a little better. I think so, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time comprehending simple concepts.

>>156974532
>I didn't enjoy the show, but it was a good show regardless of my personar experience with it
It doesn't sound stupid, no. Happens all the time in reverse. People enjoy a show but can objectively admit that it's shit for a vast amount of reasons. I highly doubt that people think FnF is a good movie franchise, yet people enjoy it because tits a guilty pleasure so to say. If you can't comprehend that something you dislike can still objectively have positive qualities and vice verse then you're fucking retarded, that's all there is to say. But I guess this sort of attitude is the reason why people rate shit either 1 or 10.

>>156974412

The show finished airing four and a half months ago. I'm trying retell my experience as best I can and honestly that's all that stuck with me.

I vaguely remember all the shit about Cocona gaining her self confedence and overcoming Mimi's control of pure illusion. But that's the point I'm trying to make it was uninteresting and weaker than the rest of the show. I vividly remember every single pure illusion adventure from the first part of the show, switching tone and ending on a weak note soured my opinion of the whole thing.

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>>156975135
Well, you said that's subjective, I managed to enjoy a lot of things about the final, though more while rewatching. The threads certainy didn't make it easier.

>>156972317
Yamakan made some strong statements about thr state of the industry and vowee that his project Fractale would change things.

Fractale was terrible and flopped hard. 883 was the sales of the first volume, which became a meme because of his statements to the point where the industry uses "Fractales" as a unit of measurement for BD sales.

Flifla coincidentally also sold exactly 1 frt in its first volume

Fucking masterpiece for the ages, future generations will look down on us for not saving anime when we had the chance.

>>156975341

The subjectivity of enjoying media is a beautiful thing indeed.

Seeing Papika bounce back at the end after the suffering put a smile on my face and as I said before, the early episodic part of their adventure revitalized my interest in anime as a whole, it was like a dream come true: mushishi with cute lesbians. I just can't reconcile the mommy issues arc, even before the exposure to the shitposting and negative threads I'd finish every episode dissapointed.

>>156970105
The only bad thing with the second half is the fact that everybody's expectations regarding the mysterious nature of PI and papika were so fucking high the actual revelation came rushing in a convoluted mess and in a very different direction from most of our best predictions, letting everyone down except for the most autistic deep fags and shitposters who had a ride afterwards

>>156969102
Streams aren't even the point about BD sales not mattering. It's the production committee that directly cares about sales. The studio has been already paid and there shouldn't be any financial consequences for them - that includes them not getting anything if the Anime was a huge success.

It really only matters if the studio is part of the committee but I'm not sure about any studio other than kyoani that do this.

The only indirect bad consequence for the studio is they may not get as much work or as much funding because they didn't do so well with their project but there are studios that make nothing but flops for years and they are still running because someone needs to make them animus.

>>156971926
>winter season had so many shows that blew it out of the water in terms of general quality.
Nice joke my dude

What went wrong.

>>156977781
/a/'s shitposting.

>>156968566
>And every fan is annoying as hell with their highschool English level interpretations where every useless plot device is suddenly something really symbolic even though they did literally nothing or where every shot suddenly has three layers of symbolism when it's actually just a vase with flowers like in yesterday's thread.
So you really think Uexkull, Elpis, Asclepius, Direct Drive, Thomasson, etc were just randomly name-dropped with no meaning behind them?
The animators chose to create shots including nothing but flowers in them for no reason at all, even though flower language is a big thing in Japan and is an extremely common practice in their art/media? For example episode 5 was filled with lillies for no reason, despite them symbolising purity and going hand-in-hand with yuri stories for decades now, and coincidentally this was done in an episode using the framwork of the Class-S genre for its Pure Illusion setting?
That all probably means nothing, you're right. No need to read deeper into art to understand it guys.

>>156970062
Someone pointed this out in a thread a few days ago. Nyunyu is a Thomasson.
Both her in-universe purpose (finding Amorphous) and meta purpose (replacing Yayaka) become obsolete almost as soon as she introduced (all the shards are collected and Mimi revives, and Yayaka gets her development and forsakes Asclepius), thus rendering her effectively useless, but still maintained.

>>156970105
So you're mad that other people liked things that you don't like?

>>156970803
I just don't understand why Poland of all places got a dub for this.
Where's my english dub that I can call terrible and proceed to ignore?
But really if they localised it I could at least by dual-audio Blu-Rays or DVDs.

>>156971388
Chujowy

>>156978394
Number of oficially published anime on BD can be counted on fingers of one hand.

>>156979447
*published in Poland

>>156979489
That's what makes this dub even more baffling.
Or are you saying this polish dub won't even get released on BD, despite airing on cable?

>>156979531
I think it will, eventually
on DVD

>>156979531
Maybe they sell it to some netflix-like services

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>>156974306

>dropping it after the best episode

>massive bomb
>hated by everyone who saw it
>staff had to issue an apology for lack of quality
>degenerate yuri bait that ended in het
>literally had no plot
>is only mentioned as an example of anime that did nothing right and is openly mocked

What a sad tale of a bad show.

>>156975615
It's like the universe was laughing at Flip Flappers.

>>156982704
This isn't the KumaMiko thread, you know?

>>156969855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PFr39-oVWQ

At the end

>kek

>>156968386
I'm at least glad the later volumes didn't drop below 700. If the average was brought down to something like 300, I'd be even sadder.

>>156983242
Half of the shows they licensed is kyoani shit.

>>156968386
>show is bad
>it sells poorly
Woah, i'm in shock.

>>156969828
flip fags have been hyping it up, those where just two random post, the shit was every where.

I'm just glad trash like this flops so they wont make it again.

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>>156983311

Yeah, just look at Occultic Nine. Flip Flappers fans might not be numerous, but at least they bought all the volumes, good job. I did too.

>>156984658
What happened to Occultic Nine, 1000BDs for the first volume, and then 100 for the rest?

>>156984759

>Occultic;Nine v6, final volume, sells 476 BDs, DVDs do not rank. Series average: 791

>>156984658
Foreign purchases aren't counted in rankings

>>156985047
That's rough

>>156971926
>same as SnK season 1
normalfag kys

>>156973146
We now have this theory that Mimi is supposed to be the mother archetype that makes you intrinsically uncomfortable because that's what the Mother does.

>>156985528
>kys
You should both kill yourselves.

>>156971563
>The dubbing is amateur as fuck, almost fandub tier.
That's because they actually hire fandubbers to keep the costs low.

>>156977889
>flower language
Wait a moment. According to Zizek, flowers are actually vagina dentata symbolism.

>>156978243
>a few days
More like a few months ago. She's a walking Chekov's gun with her sole purpose being to serve no purposes.

reminder that you have a really autistic lack of empathy when you assume close friends are automatically sexually attracted to each other.

stop unironically conflating deep compassion with jacking off. I know most of you aren't capable of expressing or recognizing emotions that fall outside of the spectrum of cumming, but please stop asserting that your primitive emotional perception of the world is valid.

>>156985064
Infinite shop's sales aren't counted in Oricon either.

>>156985842
....You mean a Red Herring? Which is literally the opposite of a Chekov's gun?

Both Red Herrings and Chekov guns aren't that deep either.

>>156977889
Any one can guess lilies=yuri but the whole theory about the vase is incredibly stupid because it's just a fucking vase. Outside of the ground that's just where you find flowers.

And yes a few of those were just random name drops.

Episode 1-6 were 10/10

Took a nosedive after that. It's almost like there was a significant staff change...

>>156986185
Then I'm not familiar with whatever theory you're talking about regarding the vase.

>>156986205
>not counting the best episode in the entire show, 7
>not counting 8 or 9 which were also amazing
I've seen countless people preach 8 as the best episode of the whole show, even. What makes these three different from the first 6? I can understand not liking the Mimi arc because it's no longer episodic adventures, but this just arbitrarily draws a line in the middle of the episodic adventures.

>>156986386
>implying episode 9 isn't the best
COCONA!

>>156986386
7 was a strange episode... I actually liked it though. The almost complete lack of script was interesting. Lots of silence and lots of visual symbolism. Felt completely different from the rest of the series but not necessarily in a bad way.

Hard to pinpoint what was wrong with 8, but the heavy amount of ass-camera was kind of obnoxious. I just didn't so much care for it. Might be a matter of taste.

9 through 12, though, when the story started ramping up, it seemed like Papika and Cocona's chemistry (which was the best thing about the show) kind of melted away. Cocona wasn't her slightly standoffish self anymore, Papika wasn't her childlike puppy brimming with enthusiasm anymore, and generally it just changed.

Admittedly by that point in the story it was realistic that the two of them would be different. That Cocona would have softened up and that Papika, now that she was mentally an adult again, would no longer behave so childishly. But since that dynamic was such a massive part of the show's charm, the quality suffered from its loss.

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I really enjoyed the first episodes but the yuri and shitty ending ruin it for me.

>>156968386
People are just waiting for special bd-box.

I think they needed to go way harder at the end. Akira levels of Pure Illusion "leakage" into the real world and maybe Cocona dying. That would have given this show a place in history.

>>156986999
>and maybe Cocona dying
How about you die.

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>>156986999
Cocona dying would be too much, but I'm one of these guys that expected a darker ending, felt like the first episode promised something like this.

Though I have to applaude Oshiyama on how unmistakingly happy the ending is.

>>156987112
>how unmistakingly happy the ending is.

I must have been the only one who was really unnerved by that last glimpse of a hyper-realistic world where Uexkull isn't just a green cartoon lump and Bu-chan is an actual machine of labor. That seemed to be hinting at earlier hypothoses that the universe of the show wasn't even the "real" or "surface" one.

It pisses me off so much that Kemono Friends is a massive success and this show is so unnoticed. Fuck Japan so much.

>>156987390
Everyone I've shown the show to, myself included get unnerved and scared by Salt's Pure Illusion, but it's the events following it which make it an unmistakably happy ending.

>>156987457
Yeah, I still don't understand how KF became such an explosive success, let alone gained anything more than a small following of people who thought it was pretty good, but nothing more.

>>156987457
I watched KF expecting nothing and got something

I watched this show expecting something and got nothing

>>156987675
I watched Kemono Friends expecting something mindblowingly amazing, judging by its supermassive success and popularity. I got a somewhat cute and comfy but very badly animated eyesore.

I watched Flip Flappers, got hyped by the first episode, and got continually blown away more and more by each episode and each rewatch.

>>156987675
Nobody expected anything from Flip Flappers at first either.

>>156987859
Episodes 1 to 3 was a hell of a ride for that.

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Will we stream the entire series again at the end of the year?
Please don't ask me to do it

>>156987675
> any original anime
>expecting something or in this case hyping yourself silly
Just learn to enjoy and drop if you dont like something.

>>156987967
I think the first time I realized how special the show was was during the first Pure Illusion when it had that really zoomed-out shot of them walking in the giant forest with the huge snow-covered trees.

That and the later part where Papika puts Cocona's shattered glasses back on her face and they barely stay on. At that point I was just like "yeah, this show is gonna be something special."

>want to import the BDs
>cant justify it
How much are all the volumes + shipping to Europe? Like 500 bucks?

>>156988168
Buy the OSTs instead. That still supports the creators.

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>>156986943
This. It's been a long wait but now just 1 month to go.

Anyone else spend stupid amounts to get some of the Genga given away to the live screening attendees?

>>156988916
Fuck those look good, I wish I had the disposable income to blow on them, but I really couldn't justify it. Especially when I wouldn't even buy the BDs because they'd just be several hundreds of dollars worth of paperweights, seeing as I can't speak nip.
If that figure they announced ever comes back into existence, I'm absolutely buying that.

>>156988916
No, but I hope it's worth it for the few times you get to post about it on /a/.

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>>156988916

Fucking nice, dude. I didn't even look for them because the chances of getting a really good one are probably pretty low, also I only bought something from Yahoo auctions once.

This was one of the best times I've ever had watching a show with /a/. Right up there with SamFlam, YuYuYu and KLK.

>>156988916
Nice, not yet laminated or covered?

>>156989142
value goes down if you laminate them.

>>156989142
No, I might make some frames for them but I'm planning on moving soon so for now they live inside clear files covered by a TCG binder.

I'm actually not sure the best way to take care of these despite having several more from another show I loved years ago.

>>156989234
Damn, sound fucking hard to keep it pristine. Was about to ask how but then anon answered >>156989336 . Thanks.

Still though, no fuck huge portfolio style folder with clear plastic envelope "pages" to keep this around?

Is someone still subbing the BDs?

>>156988916
If you want to see Genga you can see it all on this site
http://flifla.neko.info

I kind of don't understand how this show managed to get such a vocal fanbase. I kind of liked it at first but in the end it could have been way better. Also, it was an original anime that flopped hard in Japan, and was never that popular in Japan when it was airing. Even now, it seems the Japanese (and indeed most people outside of its fanbase) has forgotten it. Cult following, I suppose?

>>156991474
>Cult following, I suppose?
Yeah, it's not like such a thing is unheard of.
Obviously the animation was objectively superb, I loved all of the characters and their interactions, and I really really love the seemingly endless depth of details and references hidden things scattered throughout the show, it's something I've always been a fan of and Flip Flappers takes it to the extreme.
My second favourite anime ever.

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>>156968386
>>156968450
YKA was better.

>>156991934
But I mean it's weird for a show with a cult following to still be so active here on /a/. I mean, other "hipster" shows like Kyousougiga had cult followings but they were never this active. Even Samurai Flamenco notably had a cult following on /a/, but that following has since all but disappeared.

>>156992104
I still have to finish this, I'm like halfway through.
Coincidentally I picked it up because someone brought it up during discussion about Flip Flapper's fifth episode.

>>156992173
Not to sound condescending to those shows, but there's a lot to disect and analyse in FF comparitively. Every time someone finishes it they're full of questions, and the few people who are passionate about it on /a/ are happy for any excuse to keep talking about it.
Admittedly I don't know why that raises FF above other ""deep"" shows like Serial Experiments Lain, probably because other shows of that nature/density already have plenty of resources online explaining everything in-depth that has been built up over the years. The closest thing Flip Flappers has to that is that one guy's Google Doc, but that's hardly all-encompassing, and it's not even finished. Your next best bet is digging through literally every FF thread in the archive, which isn't a good option.

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>>156991474
>>156992173
Because it checks off almost everything that /a/ likes.

>>156991474
You got a problem with that?

>>156992351
Nobody says FF is above Lain. In terms of deepness they are probably comparable, but in terms of being a scifi Lain is better. Interesting though Lain's world setting is based on collective unconscious too.

>>156968386
feel bad for them

>>156993033
>Nobody says FF is above Lain
I didn't either, I'm just comparing them in terms of depth/density, particularly in the sense that when finishing them, a new viewer will likely have a lot of questions.

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>>156988036
Only if you do it.

>>156987457
KF is made of simple, self-contained small stories and relates to simple emotions. FF is not a simple story. It gets convoluted just as our real emotions do. In the sense of storytelling KF did a better job because it was an easier job.

>>156992104
I actually thought YKA was pretty disappointing. Penguindrum was miles better and I still haven't seen Utena.

>>156995763
Utena is overrated. It is still good, just don't get caught up in the hype.

>>156992351
>but that's hardly all-encompassing
What do you think needs to be added there? I think the psy-fi layer will be pretty much done once I digest the infodump of Jungian psychology from xfs. Admittedly I left the project hanging for a few months, sorry about that.

What's missing, though? More about Kubrick and cinematography?

If you want to contribute, send me an email (gmail.com).

>>156968386
At least the sales seem to be consistent

>>156996430
Have you seen the Polish dubs?

>>156969995
>use foreshadowing
-wow so predictable
>no foreshadowing
-wow what an asspull

there's really no way to please all the autists

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>>156996430
I actually have a couple notes on the Pure Illusion segment at the front that came about from working on my own project related to the show.

Most noteably, I think there are good reasons to think that the ownership of PI's from episodes 1 and 7 are inverted. Picture here being the first of several connected references similar to the twins bit from The Shining in E5, and giving more reason to Papika's repeated likeness to the Canine form. If you're interested I can send you more in an email or post more thoughts here.

>>156992104
Agreed. And it didn't pussy out from the actual yuri.

>>156996430
Maybe it's just because a lot of the sections are incomplete, but it's also been a while since I've read through all of it.
It's also obviously a personalized opinion piece, which there's nothing wrong with, but it leaves out alternative interpretations as a result. For example I personally find the theory of Episode 5 being the Twins' PI quite the stretch, and that not every PI matches with a character we meet in the show. I also find Episode 8 to imply Bu-chan's brain to be a copy, or imitation of Hidaka's. There's nothing else in the show suggesting Bu-chan looks up to or wants to be Hidaka, so saying Pops is strictly Bu-chan seems off. If the PI were both Hidaka and Bu-chan's, it would make a lot more sense, but also require a deeper connection than just creator and construct.

>>156997352
Here is an idea. PI does not belong to someone. PI is the reification of the abstract subjective experience. Half of the characterization in this show is done through world building because the world represents quite literally the character's mind.

With how badly their show flopped, and how desperate for money they were, how cheap would it be to buy both Cocona and Papika for an entire night?

>>156998504
Sorry anon, but you can't unless you're Yayaka.

>>156998504
Will give blowjobs for Amorphous Fragments.

>>156988916
FUCK YOU! I tried but you kept outbidding me you greedy bastard. Really wanted that one on the bottom too. Hope you take good care of em. Ended up getting the one with Sayuri covering Bu-chan's eyes because no one wanted it.

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I think the biggest issue with Flip Flappers is that the answers that they give in the last couple episodes to all the enigmatic episodes in the beginning are just unsatisfying.
It just felt weird and try-hard.
Should have just been about CCN, PPK, and YYK dealing with Salt and the KKK. They shouldn't have taken it to the next level of Mimi, she just muddled everything.

>>156968386
Where do I buy them?

>>157001528
am͜a͉zon

>>157000982
That's your own problem. The show is about how one deals with his inner conflict originated from the problem with his mother.

>>156968386
At least it sold more copies than Samurai Flamenco.

>>157003576
Yeah, and it did it poorly.
It should have changed its focus or done a better job.

>>157003576
This is why I hate coming to these threads.

We all like Flip Flappers, but whether or not you think it's a masterpiece or wasted potential doesn't change the fact that Mimi was just poorly written. As sweet as the idea is, the execution sucked and made Mimi look incredibly 2-dimensional as a character and failed to be either interesting or thought-provoking for the hype that led up to meeting her.

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>>156968551
>Papicunt

>>157005752
Mimi is not a conventional character or something to be "properly written." She's a walking archetype. She's never meant to have meaningful interaction or development. She's the abstract psychoanalytic image in the respective character's psyche. It's been well demonstrated what Mimi's shards are. You know the concept so what's the problem with insisting Mimi be a character? Well okay it's totally ok to expect a conventionally written story as an audience so if you don't like it okay, but the value in this story is not to be interpreted in such a way.

>>157007388
Lately I realized Mimi's depiction was intentional, not a result of the writer's incompetence. Mimi was depicted as a psychoanalytic object not as a character. You find her annoying? That's exactly what would happen realistically with a real mother. And that is also exactly the real trait behind the whole Great Mother concept.
With a standard character the psychoanalytic traits are only indirectly reflected through their desires and motivations for which a much more complex story setup is required but here we have the direct exposure to the uncomfortable visualization of the unconscious elements.
To put it simply, Cocona's mother was long dead and Cocona herself had problems with ego development. She was dealing the after-image of her mother in her dreams (we call it Pure Illusions here). Ultimately how consistent her mother is in being a character is quite irrelevant to the problem of ego development.
In parallel with the plot is the director's personal experience where his past traumatic experience with his mother and his family imposed difficulty in his own mental health. Probably quite literally this show can also be considered a psychoanalytic reading into his own memories (cf. Cocona's afterimage) where the Mother is not something of a character but a collection/archetype of recognizable traits.
All these are fairly analytic and it's understandable many can't enjoy this, in the same way many can't enjoy Mulholland Drive.

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>>156992173
>Watched Kyousougiga after hearing it was like FF
>tfw I'll never join in on the discussion that happened while it was airing or shitpost about the 9 minutes of walking exposition

>>156990313
GJM doing it

>>157009602
GJM is kinda behind and only uploads them on 720p.

>>156968386
tfw I bought it but nobody else did

>>157009852
because it's mastered in 720p. Looked 1080 RAWs there are not any better

>>156968386
Really mediocre outside the animation. Also the early episodes killed the show.

Personally, I think that fans over-analyze the series and a lot of theories seem to exist only to excuse some of it's faults. Do the Japanese fans analyze this series so much as well? Did the creator confirm anything?

>>157010443
>Did the creator confirm anything?
He confirmed that the themes were based on some japanese psychologists interpretation of the story of Hänsel and Gretel through jungian psychoanalysis. The threads, or rather some anons that knew what they are talking about, speculated on the jungian themes long before that.

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Basically you must read these books to fully understand Flip Flappers.

>>156996684
I have. I am Polish. It hurts.

I've actually conducted a panel in English on psychology in Flip Flappers at Pyrkon, Poland's biggest fantasy convention (42 000 attendants). We mentioned the dub as a joke.

The worst part is that the dub ruins makes any public screenings of Flip Flappers illegal, as that stupid niche TV channel that's only available in bumfuck nowhere is now the official licensor of FLFL in Poland.

>>156997121
This is a great observation. I've never wanetd to dig too seriously into the PI section, it's mostly a teaser of what comes next, but man this is too good to ignore.

>>156997352
>It's also obviously a personalized opinion piece, which there's nothing wrong with, but it leaves out alternative interpretations as a result.
I think the PI section is the one responsible for most of this. Perhaps rewriting it to open it up for alternative interpretations would help?

>>157010443
Overanalysis is pretty easy to spot. The psychology stuff you've seen is quite often rigorously sourced and very consistent with the construction of the plot. No, nips are not at this level.

>>156997121
>>157010680
I had finally read Jakob von Uexküll's A Foray Into the Worlds of Animals and Humans a while ago. Umwelt is pretty easy to define (subjective perspective) but hard to grok. You gotta see the examples in the book. Once you really know what pure illusion is you'll understand the ingenuity of Oshiyama.