BLEACH: The fuck up

that was not the only factor, Bleach go too repetitive after soul society arc, and evreything was solve with a power up for Ichigo or a deus ex machina, it still had some good reveals, like ichigo's father being a shinigami, but still couldn't compare to ss arc

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>>156851822
>alienating its core fanbase

What do you even mean by this? Bleach was selling its best during the HM arc(I'm talking about everything from the Vizards being introduced to Aizen being beaten) arcs and Ichigo/Rukia barely interact in that arc.

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>>156851822
>Not even a shipper

Riiiiiiight.

>>156853121
I'm still convinced that all the Bleach shippers on /a/ are trolls

>>156851822
That was part of the problem, but SS was a huge hit because Kubo balanced Ichigo and Rukia's plot with timely introduction of new characters and powers, interesting art, and some really decent writing for side characters.

Thousand Year War, on the other hand, overpromised, underdelivered, and generally didn't have enough character interactions to be enjoyable to read. It was just battle after battle.

>>156853295
I shipped Ichigo and Rukia, but I understood that they weren't getting together unless something drastic changed. By the end of 1000 year blood war, it was obvious that wasn't going to happen. I just didn't expect an epilogue where there were kids, and where Tatsuki didn't somehow win the Ichibowl.

>>156853464
>tatsuki
>hurting orihime like that

>>156853027
Don't bother with these people. They're the same people who have only watched the anime.

>>156853556
>Not considerint Tatsuki's feelings

>>156853464
>and where Tatsuki didn't somehow win the Ichibowl.
What an asspull that would have been.

>>156853626
Right, Tatsuk is loyal. She cares very much about Orihime; she was the one who encouraged Orihime to pursue Ichigo. She would never break her best friend's heart.

>>156853464
It was obvious that they wouldn't get together after the SS arc, what the hell took you so long to realize?

Also Orihime was the obvious love interest. Tatsuki never wanted Ichigo that way.

>>156851822
>alienating its core fanbase (which was based around the dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia
You fucking homo.

>>156853791
>It was obvious that they wouldn't get together after the SS arc
Except you're wrong?

>>156853677
No greater an asspull than Orihime and Ichigo having a kid with the power to kill Yhwach.

>>156854040
He's not wrong. Look at Rukia's panel time, look at her growing love for Renji / Renji's love for Rukia.

Aizen did nothing wrong.

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>>156854040
I'm not. In the SS arc alone, we got the backstory for Rukia/Renji, Orihimes growing feelings for Ichigo constantly being brought up by Kubo through Ishida, Orihime and Ichigo having a moment after his fight with Byakuya, and Ichigo/Rukia being completely fine with staying in different worlds. Also we got pic-related which sealed the deal with for me. Orihime was always the obvious love interest, and if you didn't see that then it's because you didn't want to since shounen couples are always the easiest to figure out.

>>156854152
>look at her growing love for Renji / Renji's love for Rukia.
What universe are you from.

>>156855186
To bad for Kubo most of the fanbase didn't want it. He always kept pushing it but it never caught on. Nobody gave a damn about his shitty waifu. Her role should have been reduced further than Chad's.

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>>156855327
>most of the fanbase didn't want it.
Stop with spreading this misinformation, its 2017 ffs. Most of the fanbase didn't give a shit about pairings; while its true that those that did care about shipping did prefer Ichigo x Rukia, it's not true that majority of the fanbase wanted or even cared for it, it's just that shippers are the most vocal part any fanbase.

>>156851822
>Core fanbase

Nigga. The core fanbase didn't give a shit about the 'dynamic' between these two. It was always about the fights, the power-ups, the classic Kubo trolling.


Get your head out of you're ass, you sound like an Ichiruki landwhale from dumblr, "Totally not a shipper anon kun"

>>156855327
I'm pretty sure that he didn't push it any more than most manga series have multiple love interests for MCs. It was obvious that Orihime wasn't the main heroine from the start, and Kubo wrote Bleach that way.

The only issue is that Orihime won in the end.

Dude it got boring because you knew that no matter what happened, Ichigo would win.

Before I actually watched Bleach i thought Kenshiro was a complete badass only to find out he got BTFO by a complete newbie. Same for Aizen who was supposedly stronger than all of the other captains combined.

They jumped the gun way too quickly with his powerups and they were honestly quite ridiculous.

>>156856718
He definitely pushed for it especially in the last arc. Kubo always went out of his way to remind us that Orihime was still very much in love with Ichigo.

>It was obvious that Orihime wasn't the main heroine from the start
How come JUMP always featured her on heroine spreads then?

>>156851822
When will IchiRuki faggots let go?

>>156858275
NEVER.

>>156858275
Soon hopefully. It's pathetic at this point.

>Ichigo gets a new power
>Never even uses it
>Aizen joins the fight again
>Hype is back from a dismal series of chapters
>Suddenly over
>Everything is over
It ended in the clumsiest way I've seen a series this high on the charts end. It's uncanny.
The first two arcs are top shelf and Fullbring is criminally underrated, but everything else is a giant retried where nothing really new or interesting happens. It's a slog.

>shipping shit
Well I guess it makes sense that faggots cling to this type of gutter swill since there's not a damn thing to discuss.

>>156858430
>>156858530
Sorry that we appreciate one of the few good things about Bleach. It doesn't matter how canon IchiHime and RenRuki is, IchiRuki is still miles better than them.

>>156855189
Read the manga.

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>>156860549
>IchiRuki is still miles better than them.
If mean better at being a meme pairing then sure.

>muh black and white
>muh moon and sun
>muh parallelz
>muh fillers

>>156851822
I agree actually, but then again I'm biased toward the early arcs where I loved every single character and wanted to see more Ichigo & Rukia ghost buster adventures.

Being honest, it was a mistake for Kubo to have Ichigo and Rukia apart for the majority of the manga. The two played off each other pretty well and had good chemistry.

>>156861066
It was one of the reasons why sales plummeted.

>>156851822
>IchiRuki fans: We're totally not the next NaruSaku, guys!

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>>156861320
It wasn't though? Ichigo and Rukia barely interact during the HM arc yet that was when Bleach was selling the most. Hell even in the beginning before the SS arc started, Bleach was doing okay in sales and that was the time when Ichigo/Rukia had the most interactions.

>>156856955
Rukia stopped being the main heroine after the SS arc. The only thing that helped her to remain that status were random poems and color pages.

>>156856217
>>156861956
I know you're the same faggot who posts these anime girl reaction images every time. You can shut the fuck up, because I don't listen to you. I know you hate IchiRuki and praise IchiHime and RenRuki as good ending ships.

Gin and Aizen were always the best characters.

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>>156862052
>reeing about anime girl reaction images
>on /a/

>>156862260
But there is always this one guy (Which is you because you are doing it again.) who ALWAYS posts anime girls in Bleach threads in a particular way to defend IchiHime and RenRuki every time he sees anything that smells of IchiRuki.

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>>156862349
I wonder how many nights you've spent, staring at your screen, so angry about dissenting opinions that you decided to lump all animegirl posters into one entity who's out to get you.

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>>156862052
>because I don't listen to you.
An Ichiruki-ist not believing something goes against their pairing? Color me surprised. You guys have never believed anything that put IR its in place; even Kubo's own words when he said that they were simply precious nakama. You go around spreading misinformation like "Ichigo and Rukia splitting was why sales went down" when it definitely wasn't a reason, and when someone counters that you refuse to listen.

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Bleach was finished for me after ichigo fought aizen.

Back then I hoped that they would continue, but now... i'd rather they just delete whatever the hell was the last season.

Rukia is cute
Orihime is cute
both are waifu material
Yoruichi though, that's where it's fucking at.

>>156862532
I know it's you. You are always in these Bleach threads. I recognize your images almost all the time. Every time someone goes "Kubo really dropped the ball by sweeping IchiRuki under the rug" or criticize IchiHime and RenRuki, you pop right up.

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>>156862659
Sure thing buddy. As long as you feel like you won.

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>>156862659
>this paranoia
how new are you

>>156862552
Sales definitely went down the less they interacted, but like I said, it was one of the many reasons.

>>156851822
>its core fanbase (which was based around the dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia during the first two arcs)

its core fanbase (which was based around the dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia during the first two arcs

no it wasn't

the core audience was preteen boys, not shippers

>>156853464
Tatsuki was never interested in Ichigo that way

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>>156862832
>Sales definitely went down the less they interacted
Nope. Bleach was doing it's best in terms of sales during the the second arc especially much later on in the arc, and Ichigo/Rukia barely have any interactions during this time since most of their interactions happen before the gang heads over to HM. Ichigo and Rukia interacting less didn't have a negative affect in terms of sales, get over it already.

>>156863283
Post disregarded. I see your image, I know it's you again.

Anyone notice the Bleach threads suddenly having annoying Ichiruki posts recently? I mean Bleach threads have always had delulu IRfags but the recent threads have gotten more than usual. It's fucking LoN isn't it?

>>156863484
How new r u fag? Look at threads in /a/ it's fucking common practice to reply with anime girl pics you dumb fuck.

>>156851822
>He thinks SS arc wasn't the only good thing about bleach
kek

>>156863628
Not how he does it. He posts them a particular way, and some of them I recognize.

>>156851822
I think you're a pathetic excuse for an adult who is unaware of his arrested adolescence and because of it seeks validation from others when they really don't give a shit about your wanna-be anime reviewer ass.

>inb4 "saying someone else on /a/ has a arrested adolescence"

Jokes on you, i've never been arrested. I also said "aware"

>>156856955
Because Tiddy

>>156863693
t. IchiHime/RenRukicuck

>>156863774
Sakura and Kagura are flat though.

Wasted Potential: the series

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>>156863484
Disregard my post all you want, it won't change the fact that Bleach was selling the best during an arc where Ichigo and Rukia barely interact which completely debunks your dumbass post.

>>156863685
I also think I recognise you, the way you respond, your the same annoying IRfag that's been infecting the recent bleach threads.

Shipping in Bleach is fucking cancer, but IRfags are the dumbest fucks this fandom has to offer. Jfc I'm glad that shit got royally sunk.

>>156863882
Gor waifu diversity. Can never have enough Tiddymonsters

>>156864004
I'm glad you like one of the few good things about Bleach no happening. You know, part of me is kinda relieved IchiRuki didn't happen, since the whole series went to shit. A Bleach that is actually written good deserves IchiRuki.

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>>156851822
The first fuck up was repeating the rescuing thematic a second time during the Hueco Mundo arc because Kubo got lazy or some shit.
The second fuck up was spending too much damn time developing the espada and dragging the Fake Karakura Town arc to a crawl, but that wasn't Kubo's fault.
The third fuck up was continuing the story after Ichigo defeated Aizen, because everything was already said and done with him and Ichigo. Instead, they should have left it at that and kill Aizen, leave Ichigos power a mystery that went away with Mugetsu and leave the Quincy as an extinct race of warriors that had a counterbalance to the Shinigami in the game of souls that was the afterlife , and from there create a shit ton of interesting back story for the captains, the Gotei and their beef with the Quincy... but no, they had to keep dragging all that shit down and keep introducing newer and more retarded characters that are super powerful just because it's a fucking Shonen manga/anime.

This series would've worked better as a seinen.

>>156851822
Anon, literally the only person agreeing with this thread is you.

You made a mistake thinking Bleachfags are 90% Ichiruki when it's more like 90% don't care about who fucks who. Core fanbase my ass. Go home kid. Back to tumblr where you came from.

>>156864207
>You know, part of me is kinda relieved IchiRuki didn't happen,
Then why the fuck do you shit up the Bleach threads with your complaining?

>>156864375
Because all of you keep talking mad shit about it while forgetting the fact it's one of the main foundations of Bleach. Give credit where credit is due.

>>156851822
I only very vaguely remember a lot of Bleach, but yeah, you're probably correct.

The humour, emotional investment and general writing was by far at its best during the first segment of the story.

It was also a mistake to introduce a billion characters and leave all the good ones behind.

>>156864207
That is your dumbass tumblr tier Rukiafag opinion. Not the opinion of the majority of the fanbase who don't give a fuck about your crackship.

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>>156864476
>crackship

This guy gives a good explanation why and how it all went tumbling down.
https://youtu.be/ACq7tgjHdGA

>>156864207
This is some top-tier bullshit right here. The writing in Bleach has been shitty for years yet that didn't stop you guys from hoping for an IR end this entire time. You guys can say that you're more than happy with your fanart/fanfic and repeat "Ichiruki was too good for Bleach", but it's all bullshit. The fact that Ichiruki didn't happen kills you and you know it. You wish it was the Ichiruki child being revealed in the last chapter.

>>156864710
>You wish it was the Ichiruki child being revealed in the last chapter.
Yeah, I do. Because the ending would have a least did something right.

>>156851822
Bleach just felt so incoherent. Naruto at least had extensive lore to build on with alongside a reasonably sized 3 dimensional cast and clear goal ahead.

Bleach was...eh. You feel like you don't know anything and the melodramatic exposition doesn't help.

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>>156864602
It's by definition a crackship, because it didn't happen.

I believe the OP poster is right. I recall the first part of the series being way better, and the dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia far more interesting and natural, than anything that came later. It's been a long time since I read it, and I didn't read much beyond SS because at that point the series quickly became insanely boring, but at that time it did indeed seem like Rukia was the main heroine. The manga at that point was very much the story of Ichigo and Rukia growing together.

I believe the sudden turn everything took was extremely bad for the series, and I wouldn't find Ichigo ending up with anyone else believable (especially since Orihime changed from being god-tier airheaded comedy to probably the most boring character in the manga)... but it still didn't happen in canon. Just accept that the manga became shit and lost its way, and move on.

Most us did this over a decade ago, when it first became clear that the manga had done irreparable damage to itself and Kubo was thoroughly out of ideas.

>>156864602
>Posts one of those cringey IRfag collages with nakama moments.

You fag.

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>>156864762
>Because the ending would have a least did something right.
Nah.

Ichigo lost his personality after SS arc

There is nothing to him after that beyond "m-muh protecting".

>>156865047
>There is nothing to him after that beyond "m-muh protecting".
I feel like that could be said for the entire cast.

>>156865047
Everyone lost their personality after SS.

I don't know why people are even arguing over this stuff. All the characters everyone loved in Bleach stopped existing soon after Aizen pulled his vanishing act at the end of that arc.

I've never seen a writer go from good to shit with such incredible speed. It was an almost 100% vertical drop in quality.

>>156865034
You know they would be salivating if Kazui was an IR kid. Their fanarts of IR spawn look exactly like kazui but then call the canon IH baby ugly.

>>156865034
c-cute

Will the Quincy war be animated someday? Or is Bleach anime kill for good?

>>156865310
its dead jim

>>156865215
>You know they would be salivating if Kazui was an IR kid
Of course. They also wouldn't bring up the whole "why can shinigami have kids" thing like they did with Ichika.

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>>156865421
>We will never get to see Yamamoto Genryusai's banki be animated
>We will never get to see the Unohana vs Kenpachi fight be animated
>We will never get to see Kenpachi's bankai be animated

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>>156865215
The premise of Ichiruki fanworks:

>Give Rukia Orihime's personality
>Make IR spawn look like the canon babies even though they're "ugly" or just steal the canon babies.
>Ichigo suddenly has the personality of some suave fuckboy.
>Everyone who looks at Rukia now has to have their penis' resting in a pillow for a week because she's that fucking hot and everyone wants to fuck her.
>Also keep Renji's canon feelings for her, because it makes her look more desirable if all these men are after her, except let's make Renji a total pussy, hillbilly Chris Brown, slap that bitch up.
>Rukia is captains to lieutenant Currosake Etchigo, even tho he's miles stronger than hur.

>>156866164
Don't forget the artworks where Orihime is heartbroken in the background because she "needed to be put in her place", or the OOC cheating ones.

>>156866164
>Give Rukia Orihime's personality
What personality?

I loved you bleach but then you got so shitty, you did almost everything wrong after the SS arc. The bad pacing and the million characters and the same old boring rescue story

Also that faggot renji getting rukia

>>156866164
>>Give Rukia Orihime's personality
its either this or they make her into some femme fatale. its weird.

>>156866279
And then poor Uryuu's manpain. :’<

>>156851822
Yep. Good point of view.

That wasn't everything to bleach. It had great Ichigo solo moments too.

But yeah I agree it would have been better ichi-ruki centric, the way bedou renkin was

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>>156866423
>Also that faggot renji getting rukia

>>156866164
At least IchiRuki has fanworks.

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>>156866164
>Ichigo suddenly has the personality of some suave fuckboy.
>Everyone who looks at Rukia now has to have their penis' resting in a pillow for a week because she's that fucking hot and everyone wants to fuck her.
This tends to happen in fanfics regardless of the characters that are used.

>>156866164
>Everyone who looks at Rukia now has to have their penis' resting in a pillow for a week because she's that fucking hot and everyone wants to fuck her.
This is funny because they stole this from Orihime who literally knocked someone out with her hotness, and even stressed out pretty boy Yumichika with her beauty.

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>>156865310
Live action film is next year along with more games, if the anime doesn't get announced next year it's over.

>>156866164
>Give Rukia Orihime's personality

Let's be honest, now. Orihime didn't have a personality after SS.

Everyone's characterization fell apart after that point, but with her it was particularly bad.

I miss funny Orihime.

>>156867276
Because she's Kubo's waifu. She's not even that pretty, but Kubo kept pushing that narrative. "Hey guys, look at my waifu! Ain't she gorgeous?!"

>>156867418
>I miss funny Orihime.
She still had her silly and funny moments in the last three arcs. What are you even talking about?

>>156867481
I'm talking about reality, anon.

Literally nothing in any of the last arcs is remotely as endearing as the early stuff. Every single character is boring as hell by that point, with only vague tatters of their former personalities remaining.

>>156866360
She was a airhead and a crybaby. He did that slip past you you skimming fuck?

>>156867481
He means the majority of her character became bland. Having just a few characteristic moments come out doesn't fix that.

>>156867444
It has nothing to do with being his waifu since she was introduced as being the incredibly beautiful classmate of Ichigo. Rangiku was also introduced as being incredibly beautiful.

>She's not even that pretty
That's your opinion desu. I personally find Orihime to be very pretty especially her eyes.

>>156867610
She looks generic as fuck. You could find multiple /a/ characters that look like her. She's nothing special. It's just Kubo forcing his waifu.

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>>156865215
Does this one look like Kazui?

>>156867684
Who do you find the prettiest then?

>>156867599
This, basically.

By the end of Hueco Mundo most of the characters no longer felt like fleshed out individuals, but implements through which the plot was moved. It's like Kubo replaced them all with robots.

Occasionally he remembered that, oh yeah, this one is meant to have [insert quirk', but other than that they all became bland plot devices. Every. Single. Character. Ichigo was the one that suffered most. He went from a loyal curmudgeon with a heart of gold to... basically nothing, there's nothing I can say about post Hueco Mundo Ichigo's character. His entire personality was pared down to being 'the good guy' and nothing else.

Bleach needed more Toshiro.

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>>156865306
How much Valentine's chocolate is Kazui going to get in his teenage years?

>>156867444
They're drawings, anon.

If an author writes a character as pretty, and the characters react to them like they're pretty, then they are pretty in the canon of the work. Orihime was written as very attractive from the start.

All the early characters in Bleach have great designs. It's a shame they turned into non-characters later on.

>>156867763
I actually find most of the female cast pretty except for Orihime.

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>>156867888
>I actually find most of the female cast pretty except for Orihime.
Most of the female cast shares sameface one way or another. Just say you hate Orihime and go.

>>156851822
>Not even a shipper, but I believe Bleach at its dramatic height was during the moments where Ichigo and Rukia shared the spotlight (Byakuya taking Rukia back to Soul Society, Grand Fisher fight, Ichigo vs Byakuya, Rukia rescue, etc).

You most certainly are a shipper, and probably a giant faggot, but you're right.

Bleach did indeed turn to shit after this.

>>156868016
There is nothing unique about her appearance.

And I also know it's you again.

>>156851822
Bleach would've been in a better track if Kubo pursued a similar plot as Yu Yu Hakusho and made it more centered around solving spirit cases. The captains and the soul society should've been introduced gradually as more and more cases became harder and harder, then the captains would help Ichigo and friends out depending on the situation. Instead we got the typical shounen shit. Bummer

>>156867823
I must not fap

>>156868016
Yeah the generic big eyes face. Kubo has like two others he uses for females.

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>>156868092
>There is nothing unique about her appearance.
That can be said for majority of the female cast though since you can find characters that look like them in different series, and like I said most of them share the sameface in one way or another; for example Orihime, young Masaki and Meninas all basically have the same face while Rukia and Riruka basically have the same face.

Jackie and Hiyori on the other hand, are two characters that don't have the same face as the other girls.

>>156867769
To be perfectly fair, Ichigo's found out some dude was going to kill everyone in his town, not to mention the Hollow stuff.

Not surprising his priorities shifted.

>>156868194
I like his art-style. Always preferred it to Narutos which always came across as too stiff and OPs which is all wacky.

>>156868832
So much this

>>156868832
I want Kubo to draw a SoL.

When does the next chapter of the nartia novel come out?

>>156869172
>next chapter

its actually the first chapter since that was just the prologue. anyways it'll be out this upcoming friday.

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>>156851822

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>>156869354
Man, the kids are so cute. Really hope we get their bios one day.

>>156869661
Literally would be Team Boruto 2.0.

I play Bleach Brave Souls to fill the bleach void in me

>>156869844
Not even close. Kazui is much cuter and less bratty than Boruto. Ichika seems spunky and confident like her parents whereas Sarada is more uptight, and a bit haughty. Nemuri and Mitsuki are alike that they're both made by a scientist that got away with everything, but that's it.

>>156870081
We barely know anything about Kazui and Ichika personality-wise.

>>156870138
True, but it's easy to tell that Kazui isn't the bratty type to make a show like Boruto. Ichika on the other already has the same confident air as her parents.

>>156855004

this desu

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>kubo didnt bother to give us one last colorspread of the new gotei 13 and their vice captains

>>156851822
Bleach's biggest mistake was Kubo 's complete lack of focus and his insane insistence on giving in depth focus to all side characters under the sun that murdered any sense of pacing.

Soul Society was a cohesively planned arc. Arrancar arc was forty different mini stories held together by scotch tape and spit. And the Quincy arc was like watching an implausibly tall stack of cards fall in painfully slow motion.

Ichigo's character was flushed down a toilet in Kubo's odd attempt to give him some internal struggle with his hollow and the parallel to the arrancar arc.

But even with all the problems the series would have been fine ending at the Aizen fight with a little epilogue. Mediocre but fine.

And honestly each arc still had its moments. Ichigo vs Grimmjow was probably the most well done fight in the series until the asspull ending. Aizen's ruse cruise was pretty fun until you hit Deicide. The Ginjo plot twist made the arc somewhat redeemable. And there were a few standouts in the Quincy arc. Not everything iconic in the series is about Rukia. She was a good enough character at the start but turned into an Oni-san~~ cock sucker after a single arc.

>>156871104
>And there were a few standouts in the Quincy arc.
First invasion was good.

>>156871104
The minute Ichigo stopped being fun and started being a moody bitch is where everything went down the crapper.

>>156871630
He was moody since the beginning though? His mothers death is what caused his personality change.

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>>156851822
>Keep spotlight on Ichigo and Rukia
It's not so much about who the characters are more than the fact that the first arc (and to a lesser degree, the second arc) of Bleach revolved around a very tight cast comparative to the third arc and on. Moreover, the amount of characters added in during the SS rescue arc was FAR, FAR too many. I don't care if there was symbolism or whatever, 13(2)+X characters along with designs and powers for all of those characters is just too unwieldy for the story's sake. Mexico arc only exacerbated this issue, and Bownazis only took the problem to the next level. Who the fuck makes the alphabet's worth of a cast size only to murder them all off in one fell swoop within the span of one chapter? It's not symbolism, it's waste; it's bloat.

Bleach would have been much more palatable if the cast size was reduced by 75%. You don't need a whole team of vizards, you need a precedent; that could be just 1 or 2. You could have stayed with 4 court guard squads if you wanted some meme number with symbolic importance. Mexico only needed the core cast of Hueco Mundo enemies. Ywach could have just bodied everyone himself to hype him up more instead of spreading it all out across twenty-fucking-six characters with cellophane-thin development.

>>156851822

The entire first story arc from meeting Rukia to rescuing her from the cross is the happiest I've ever been watching anime and will probably always be my favorite arc of any anime ever.

The only thing capable of generating any sort of "discussion" about Bleach right now are waifus and IchiRuki. Truly a sad view, bros.

>>156854074
>Ichigo who's motherfucking everything
>Orihime with a unique power
Why are you surprised their kid is powerful?

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ByaRuki > Everything else

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>>156858275
You can't let go your OTP.

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>>156862659

>>156867444
>she's Kubo's waifu
shut up arie

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>>156874376
Remember that thread a few days ago about the Bleach girls' titties? I think these threads are going to die out after the rest of the novel comes out.

>>156876427
There was a nice thread about dreamy aizen taicho.

>>156876711
I can't remember where does the "dreamy Aizen" line come from? EBTR?

>>156863834
>canon
>cuck
?

>>156876427
It'll die until Bleach 2 comes out. Or until Jump releases the video interview.

>>156851822
Too much Shinagami focus killed the series.

>>156851822
Nah Ichiruki getting BTFO was satisfactory. What killed the series was giving unnecessary focus to boring shinigami captains.

>>156876844
I sometimes wonder what would we think of bizzarro Bleach when Ichigo's group basically succeeds i Hueco Mundo, Vaizards take the major spotlight in Fake Karakura, Lost Agent is mostly human focused, except for Rukia/Urahara and TYBW would properly focus on quincy as characters and have Ichigo/Ishida/RG as the most important good guys. Would we be talking now about wasted shinigami characters?

Though in SS arc Kubo was capable of properly developing likes of Hitsugaya, Hinamori, Matsumoto, and Kira without giving them lengthy fights, so maybe continuing this would be the true bizarro Bleach.

the best thing Kubo did was buttblasting IchiRuki fags
even now they are still hurt, that's so great

>>156851822
"core fanbase" don't give a shit about shipping, they just want more fighting. That's how it's been for battle manga on Jump.

>Not even a shipper
Nice try

>>156851822
I barely have interest in Ichigo and Rukia's relationship. Their relationship was important to start the story.

But what really got me into Bleach were the shinigami and their relationships. Those were what was really interesting.

>>156876844
There was way too much fucking focus on them and they were the secondary cast. That doesn't make sense!

>>156851822
>Not even a shipper

Yeah you are.

Unfortunately, you're also right. The moment Bleach stopped being about Ichigo and Rukia as deuteragonists was the moment it started to lose focus and go to shit. Whether they were meant to end up together back then is irrelevant; the dynamic between them pretty much was the glue holding the series together, and once it was gone everything fell apart.

This thread made me go back and read the really early chapters, and I'd forgotten how tight the early writing was. It was genuinely great stuff.

>>156877536
As it proved with most of Ichigo and Rukia's interactions after the SS arc, they are redundant and repetitive, with Rukia worrying over Ichigo and her and Ichigo thanking the other for the umpteenth time.
Their relationship had already been finished in the SS arc, but Kubo had to give it some focus after because was iconic of the series, but its development it was already made, it didn't need anything else.

>>156876756
The Kyoraku/Nanao's mom flashback

>>156851822
it was just plain bad

>>156880927
No.

>>156853027
>Bleach was selling its best during the HM arc
Because it was coming off of the momentum of SS arc stupid

>>156855186
Orihime looked so much better early on in the series...better personality too

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>>156864859
>Naruto
>3 dimensional cast

>>156876972
>What killed the series was Aizen.
ftfy

Imagine how hype we will be when the anime is said to return guys

get hype

tfw so addicted to bleach hype that I have to make up shit to feel it again.

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>>156863882
Kagura is not flat, she got more than Tae.

>>156865474
Whenever someone whines about shinigami having kids, I always wonder whether they knew they were asking a stupid question, or truly never paid attention to any part of canon/side material that's not directly related to their ship.

>>156866674
It's been 8 months and this is still funny. The anon who made it is a prophet.

>>156851822
i legit only give a fuck about Ichi and Rukias relationship and as soon as that got put on the sideline i quit

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>>156883874
pls no bully, is not funny

>>156883247
How?

>>156860941
Kubo probably didn't fucking decide jack shit until it was literally the last chapter

Bleach is wasted potential, i.e. Barragan, Great power, great design, nice history. Dies of plot-induced stupidity.

>>156856217
Most of the fanbase is fucking gone; gee I wonder why

>>156884572
He should have been the main villain instead of Aizen.

>>156860975
If IR reminds me of when Bleach was actually fun and enjoyable, then so be it. Whatever anyone says, they can't deny that Bleach objectively went down the shitter the less Ichigo and Rukia interacted

>>156871824
Ichigo has a personality?

>shippers ruin yet another thread
Oh fuck off all the normal people were here for the fights and Kubo's asspulls, not your childish shit

>>156884991
>stop liking what I don't like

>>156884991
>the fights and Kubo's asspulls
But that's what ruined the series.

>>156884991
Don't kid yourself; all the normal people were gone by endless Karakura. Bleach just became shit, and no one but the core shitty fanbase was left

>>156884991
power-ups get boring when the character gets one every chapter, building a relationship between characters and then have it grow naturally over the course of the story is great

>>156851822

>watching bleach
>Not hating Ichigo's character

The thing that made bleach great were mostly all the other characters besides Ichigo, Chad, Inoue and Ishida.

The main cast was just shit and uninteresting.

Kubo was all about the tits, and Rukia had none. How do you fags not see Orihime not winning since he repeated the rescue arc for Huedo Mundo Crapio land.

He built up this fucking getaway plan for Aizen into another dimenion, and that dimension was just a shitty ass dessert.

>>156851822
Bleach made so many wrong turns it's not even funny.
>Too many side characters noone cared about
>The original crew became useless or forgotten
>Cannibalistic plot (everything was Aizen lel)
>Skyrocketing power levels
>Fights generally won via asspulls/no real strategy or tension after a while
>Too many laser beam esque powers
>The fucking PACING
>Lackluster and underdeveloped villains
>Plotholes
>The real world and Ichigo's dual life becoming moot
>White space/no backgrounds
>Characters/plotlines introduced with no real payoff
I can't believe I read this for so long. Just goes to show that if you have one great arc you have your audience hooked for a long time.

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No.

Bleach's mistake was throwing out everything they built up during the entire arrancar arc and replacing it with random shit

>the vastlords are captain level
Trashed.

>breaking down the barriers between hollow and shinigami make you stronger than otherwise possible
Trashed.
All top arrancar taken out like chumps by regular shinigami sometimes without even bankai. Vizards become worthless, Tousen beaten by his fucking subordinate after breaking the barrier.

>Aizen's goal of breaking down the barrier between Shinigami and and Hollow to get stronger
Trashed.
The shikon jewel becomes some random magic wish machine that cover his body.

>Ichigo needs the control his hollow powers to get stronger
Trashed.
He is stopped in a slow time dimension and learns a special sword technique from his dad that makes him invincible despite every other special sword power in the manga being non teachable because they are innate powers. Also this makes him lose his powers for some reason.

Everything the arc was building to was thrown away. From this point on nothing that happened in the past had any bearing on what was happening and not even the fights made sense because the most powerful characters could to anyone.

>>156885976
Mugetsu was a letzt stil, I know you're retarded, but use a bit of brain before writing a novel

>>156886100
I suggest you learn to read and learn to spell before you reply.

>>156877905
I would argue they should have still been the focus, and the manga should have gone in a whole different direction.

I mean, the story fell to pieces after that. Nothing could replace the dynamic between the old deuteragonists. Kubo tried to just do SS again, but it rang hollow, and every single character became steadily less and less interesting over its duration.

I'm not saying the manga should have been Ichiruki or Rukigo or whatever. Them ending up as a romantic pair is not something I care about. Kubo should have simply worked with taking what he had in a new direction, rather than basically throwing out everything he'd built to do SS again in Mexico.

>>156886375
The dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia only happened in the first volumes, and that part of the manga is not very popular. They stopped interecting very early, as soon as Rukia was brought to the SS.
People got mostly interested in Bleach when other shinigami appeared, many interesting characters with diverse and interesting relationships, everything among very good fights.
That is what attracted people to Bleach, not one relationship.

Kubo you fuck give me back my japanese ghostbusters.

It started out so damn good. The atmosphere was top, the characters were likeable, then it went down into the shitter.

>>156887329
The inability to let them go is also what killed it.
New characters coming in like the vizards who are stronger as well the arrancar who were supposed to be stronger we're supposed to take the limelight from most of the shinigami.

Instead of letting the new characters shine and moving most of the old to supporting roles the entire idea of becoming half hollow to get stronger was thrown out at the end of the arrancar arc after ages of buildup.

Hitsugaya nearly lost his first encounter with a low ranking arrancar but he is then brought in to beat one of the strongest and is somehow still in major fights in the Quincy arc. Instead of moving the plot forward and giving new characters the spotlight Kubo and his editors decided that popularity polls should decide what characters got panel time. It results in fights that don't make sense, a lack of progression and general stagnancy as new characters aren't allowed to shine or become popular as the earlier introduced characters will step in before they have the chance.

>>156877349
let's be honest here, they were secondary cast in name only, i'm pretty sure kenpachi, hitsugaya, byakuya, and mayuri got more overall screen time than all of the supposed main cast in thefinal arc.

>>156866164
self insertion is one hell of a drug

these people should go read shojo for that kind of material

>>156867444

> she's not even that pretty1!11

you don't sound like a jealous teenage girl at all

>>156882977
But Bleach started fall in sales around volume 42, and the SS arc had finished in volume 21, so way later.
Besides, Ichigo and Rukia hardly interact already since volume 8

>>156888541
Which is right when this >>156885976 goes into full gear.

>>156888541
We don't have any sales data from before 2008 though. So we never saw how the SS volumes sold when they first released, maybe those were the peak in sales.

>>156889518
133万部

BLEACH

25巻
久保帯人

集英社

出版指標年報2007

According to http://www.geocities.jp/jump_manga/jump3.htm

Bleach's highest first-print run, as in the number of volumes printed for its first edition, was 1.33 million at volume 25, so Bleach peaked there, shortly after Soul Society ended.

>>156889639
>so Bleach peaked there, shortly after Soul Society ended.
Which just proves that it Ichigo and Rukia not interacting hard nothing to do with it falling it sales. Hell, the 37th volume sold over 900k and that was mostly focused on FKT.

>>156887329
>The dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia only happened in the first volumes, and that part of the manga is not very popular.

It is however by far the best part of the manga.

And the fight were never anything special. It was most certainly the character designs and quirks that made people like Bleach. Even early on, the battles themselves were nothing special.

I'd dispute the idea that the early part of the manga isn't popular, by the way. The sentiment that everything went to shit as the series progressed beyond SS is a very common one. One of the most common things anyone ever says about Bleach is that they wish the original cast remained prominent and got proper development. Bleach certainly picked up more readers and viewers as it went along, but you're also forgetting that it started to hemorrhage consumers during the latter part of Hueco Mundo when everyone realized that things had gone to shit permanently, and by the time Fake Karakura (which obviously had to be accelerated to right after/during the conclusion of Hueco Mundo due to uncertain sales) concluded it was so unpopular compared to its heyday that the anime got dropped.

>>156890424
>It is however by far the best part of the manga.
I agree, but not because of their interactions. It's because the cast was smaller, the ghost adventures were fun, and we were just starting to learn about our main cast.

>It was most certainly the character designs and quirks that made people like Bleach
No, it started to become popular during the SS arc which is the arc where we got non-stop battles + the introduction of the Shinigami. This is literally a shounen manga.

RANK FILLER ARCS

>>156890936
Garbage.

>>156889639
>According to http://www.geocities.jp/jump_manga/jump3.htm
Notice that the next data you have there is 5 volumes later (I'm not really sure what is picked, the highest number for a volume in a given year?) and the difference is ~1,5%. So it's not big, and within the margin of error actually considering data like this is rarely entirely accurate. So I guess Bleach was still pretty much the same popularity-wise until mid-HM. The fall later is visible though.

>Hell, the 37th volume sold over 900k and that was mostly focused on FKT.
You shouldn't look at Jump's series sales in 2009 only considering what has happened in t. It was the year of OP's Strong World and general massive hype, and OP wasn't the only one to gain from it. Jump in general got a huge boost then.

>>156877349
Blame the nips. Shit, shit taste.

>>156851822
As a casual 7 or 8 years ago being introduced to bleach, it was pretty obvious he likes orihime. I'm pretty sure he explicitly stated it many times up till like ep 30 then I dropped that shit. Rukiafags are fucking dumb.

>>156891087
>The fall later is visible though.
no shit. everyone knows that sales dropped big time during the fb arc which focused on the human cast who were never as popular as the shinigami. it also didn't help that a lot of people thought it finished with aizens defeat.

>>156890424
>It is however by far the best part of the manga.
I don't agree at all.
And you see many people who start reading or watching Bleach asking on Bleach forums when Bleach is going to get good.

>>156890932
>No, it started to become popular during the SS arc which is the arc where we got non-stop battles + the introduction of the Shinigami.

Yes, but the battles themselves were not the main draw. The battles in Bleach were never particularly well done.

SS had almost all the right ingredients OTHER than great battles. It an ever-expanding cast of cool characters with fun interactions. It had interesting powers, even if they weren't used properly. It had worldbuilding and lore. Most importantly, it had a genuine conflict where the relationship between the two most concerned characters was extremely important and enhanced the sense of peril. There would be no real sense of conflict or urgency in SS without the dynamic between Rukia and Ichigo. The entire premise was built on that, and the 'threat' of SS, for the audience, wasn't so much the threat of Ichigo dying - it was the threat of seeing that relationship severed. It felt like a very genuine struggle for something really dear to the main character.

What is widely regarded to be the best part of the series is entirely dependent on these two characters. This is why the shift after SS jerked so many people out of the manga. The entire conflict was based on the audience's desire to see these two characters not get wrenched apart by Soul Society, and then... their friendship was just kinda dropped to one side when it had been pretty much the driving force behind the manga for so long. This is also why so many people still ship it. The relationship between Ichigo and Rukia WAS the story, pretty much, not only for the whole first part that got people into the manga, but for the part that people enjoyed the most.

>>156891266
When appeared Byakuya and Renji to get Rukia back to Soul Society had a very obvious quality lead. It can be notice even in the drawing quality.

>>156891087
>You shouldn't look at Jump's series sales in 2009 only considering what has happened in t.
The sales for 2010 were also good, and those were volumes 42-47 which heavily focused on FKT. Volume 48 was highest selling one of 2011 then you see a visible drop in sales once the FB arc started, but then it picks up again once the Shinigami come back in volume 53.

It's not surprising that the volumes from 2009 sold well though since Ulquiorra got a lot of focus, and he was/still is super popular among fans back in Japan.

>>156891737
That is not true at all.
You like obviously Ichigo and Rukia's relationship and you are completely exaggerating its importance.

But most people like oyher characters there are many, and were the different relationships between these many characters, everyone had their favorites, what got people interest, no one only relationship, not at all.

>>156891737
>This is why the shift after SS jerked so many people out of the manga
Bleach volumes still sold the same many volumes later after the SS arc, so no

>>156891737
>The battles in Bleach were never particularly well done
That's your opinion though and if you look through the thread you'll see that there are people don't give a shit about the dynamic between Ichigo/Rukia. They just want their fights and twists.

You're exaggerating the importance of Ichigo and Rukias relationship. It was finished developing after the SS arc which is why it became so boring and repetitive in the later arcs.

>The entire premise was built on that, and the 'threat' of SS, for the audience, wasn't so much the threat of Ichigo dying - it was the threat of seeing that relationship severed.
The threat was Rukia getting executed which would've lead Ichigo into a darker depression because someone else would've died to save him(even though a lot of Rukia did was because she felt guilty for Kaiens death and felt she deserved to die.)

>>156891737
>This is why the shift after SS jerked so many people out of the manga.
the sales tell a completely different story m8

>>156892013
Ichigo and Rukia's was the best out of them, though.

>>156892412
Your biased opinion.

>>156892412
>Ichigo and Aizen's was the best out of them, though.
ftfy

>>156892412
>Ichigo and Rukia's was the best out of them
Once again that's your opinion. I know plenty of people that actually prefer Rukias relationship with Byakuya because it brings out a different side of her.

>>156891737
There's so much wrong with this where do I begin?

F4m it's completely the opposite of what you're spouting, you look like one of those tumblr rukiafags desperately trying to overhype the relationship between Rukia and carrot top. Their dynamic was bland, same old mentor student relationship you can find in many shounens, the shinigami, the battles, the plot twists that's the shit fans were there for. Stop fooling yourself.

>>156892539
>the shinigami, the battles, the plot twists that's the shit fans were there for
Sure, so with all the shitty battles and plot twists of Quincy Arc, that's why it was so popular, right?

>>156892697
Bleach fell a ton in terms of popularity by this point so it's not fair to compare.

>>156892876
Yes, right after the endless fights and plot twists; wait, but isn't that why Bleach was so popular?

>>156892412
At first, given the relatively small cast size and focus on the dual protagonists, it's not surprising that Ichigo and Rukia's Sensei - student relationship would be people's favourite, but that changed quickly once more characters were being introduced, Ichigo's and Rukia's relationship became the same old boring sibling like bickering. People were more interested in seeing other relationships e.g. Aizen and his subordinates, captains and their vice captains, Byakuya and Rukia, Mayuri and Nemu, Yhwach and Hash browns etc. People can day Kubo forgot about Ichigo and Rukia's relationship but really a lot.of the readers did too, because no one cares about this 'dynamic' you keep referring to.

>>156892539
Ichigo and Rukia's relationship was one of the main things that kept people's attention to Bleach, faghat. They played off each other super well. Sorry if that fact ruptures your anus because of your "muh tumblr ichiruki boogieman!" meme.

>>156892956
*Say

>>156892956
When did people give a shit about the "relationships" of other characters? Most of the other characters acted generic or one-note as fuck to each other

>>156892956
>People were more interested in seeing other relationships e.g. Aizen and his subordinates, captains and their vice captains, Byakuya and Rukia, Mayuri and Nemu, Yhwach and Hash browns etc
Which is why Bleach skyrocketed in sales after introduced the billion characters in the Substitute Shinigami and Quincy arc?

>>156892934
Again, Bleach already fell so far in popularity that not even those things could save it anymore. Not even the Shinigami who were fan favorites could've saved it. The HM and FKT volumes were full of endless fights and twists and those sold well.

>>156892977
>Ichigo and Rukia's relationship was one of the main things that kept people's attention to Bleach
Again that's your personal opinion. I didn't care much for their relationship after the SS arc because it was just the same thing over and over again.

>>156892977
>main things that kept people's attention

Are you fucking dumb? It only kept the attention of Irfags, most readers were not shipperfags hoe.

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>>156892977
>They played off each other super well.
Retarded IchiRuki shitter alerted.

>>156893120
>FKT volumes
Nigga Bleach was falling by that point

>>156893154
Finally OP anon kun "I'm not even a shipperfag" admitted it.

What a fag.

>>156893128
Most readers left by middle HM

>>156893169
Check the sales if you don't believe me. Bleach actually started falling once the FB arc started.

>>156851822
Am I the only one bothered by how everyone started suddenly flying out of fucking no where? I enjoyed the more grounded battles, but when they started flying it became DBZ with swords.

>>156893196
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

>>156893196
Except that was my first post in this thread, you delusional fuckshit.

>>156893103
>Substitute Shinigami
Sales picked once the Shinigami came back, and that should be no surprise since Japan loves the Shinigami.

>>156893245
Except you are the same person. You write in exactly the same manner. Thread is largely against your opinion so you samfag to make yourself feel better.

What a fag.

>>156893328
But also because Rukia and Ichigo interacted for the first time in like 5 years. Causation vs correlation anon

>>156893340
If you haven't fucking noticed, there are new IPs, retard

>>156893362
I'm sure Ichigo and Rukia finally interacting had something to do with it as well, but the Shinigami coming back in general was what made the fanbase happy. The human cast was never that popular.

>>156893487
Point is, we really don't know what was the main cause of it; we can't just assume.

>>156893524
>we can't just assume.
Toshiro and Rukia literally beat Ichigo in fourth popularity poll and in the 5th poll which was focused on the Zanpakuto. The fact that him/Rukia and Byakuya(another fan favorite) all made an appearance at the same time definitely boosted sales.

Human cast not being popular isn't entirely true statement. Sure, Chad, secondary classmates and fullbringers weren't, but Ishida was always super-popular, easily rivaling all Shinigami but Hitsu/Rukia. Orhime also was quite well-liked.

Here are a few of my beefs with Bleach:

Fights dragged out too long. You had about 10 chapters dedicated to characters 1-uping each other with abilities you never seen them preform prior. The end result of these fights usually consisted of one of the combatants running out of asspull fuel.

Plot points are introduced just to be dropped right after. Yeah, I know we have that upcoming novel to fill us in, but what I'm saying is that within the manga, we had all these things thrown at us like it was going to be super important later, just to have almost all of it never become relevant.

Ichigo Kurosaki. His character basically became the equivalent of watching paint dry. He's the main character. He's supposed to be at least SOMEWHAT engaging. Does he really have a reason to do anything other than "Muh Friends!"? And his role is usually dormant until the end of each arc. He was mostly used as some kind Trump Card against the main enemy than anything else. And any chance his character could potentially be expanded on, it was left to dry.

>>156893340
Actually he's not.

Watch the IPs. Also, I'm the one who wrote the big post. And also not the OP.

Don't be retard.

>>156893762
Everything you stated is true. There's also the problem of the cast being way too large which then leads most of them to being underdeveloped and underutilized.

>>156893903
>>156893762
There's also the problem of them all fucking starting to fly out of no where. It wasn't set up or anything, it's just one fight they all started flying.

>>156893903
Most importantly, Kubo is just a shitty writer

>>156893633
so you have three characters who are popular ichigo/uryu/orihime vs the rest of the cast during the fb arc. they were outnumbered.

>>156893889
>Watch the IPs
Moron.

>>156893968
>Kubo is just a shitty writer
I think each arc had it's strong moments, but to each their own.

>>156894028
>I think each arc had it's strong moments
m8 I think you just have extremely low standards

>>156893903
Kubo has put it on record to say he creates characters when he has writers block. By seeing the stock of characters, you can see how often it happens.

>fuk you ichirukifags nobody liked Rukia also nobody cared about the relationship between her and Ichigo and she wasn't popular and everyone else liked different characters!

I guess that's why she was in the top three of every single popularity poll. Pretty sure she pulled ahead of Ichigo at one point.

Rukia was immensely popular, you morons. And reason for that popularity was that people liked her interactions with Ichigo, since this was there 90% of her character actually came across and was developed.

>>156894069
I enjoyed the first invasion of the Quincy arc. I also enjoyed the bankai reveals of Yamamoto and Rukia.

>>156894024
If you can't keep track of IPs being added to the thread, I am afraid that you are the moron.

>>156893959
So you didn't read the first chapter?

>>156894151
>nobody liked Rukia
Literally no one in the thread said this.

>>156893959
10000 years later people are steal saying this. Ichigo first run on air against Inoue's brother. It was explained when Zangetsu first appeared. It was just Seiretei and its barriers that prevented it.

>>156894151
No one said that she's wasn't popular though? Go through the thread dumbass.

>>156851822
If this thread isn't the epitome of cancer in the bleach fandom, I don't know what is.

Irfags. Just. Fuck. Off. Assblassted mofos.

>>156864859
>sasuke x sakura
>reasonable

>>156867360
>attacks humans
>points her sword at someone who's a human for all she knows
Why are Rukia and Renji such shit parents?

>>156895074
a lot of people that ship ir ship ss.

>>156895279
She doesn't attack humans, Ichigo just jumped to that conclusion after Rukia stated that no human would be able to lay a finger on her.

Also Ichika was just showing off her blade.

>>156895279
They grew up without parents or any other authority figure in a shitty Rukongai district. They have no idea how to be a god parent, and they probably consider kid running alone and doing whatever the fuck she pleases a normal behavior. Damn, now I want to see Orihime giving Rukia parenting advices after seeing their failure in the epilogue.

>>156895491
You don't just "show off" your blade. It's a fucking weapon. You should treat it responsibly.

>>156895279
>That dumb argument tumblr irfags always use against Ichika again.

A) She's not attacking anyone and B) Don't kid yourself, you know full well Kubo drew her pointing a sword because it's a cool pose to draw. Look at Renji's face as his wife brags about their daughter f.am.

wish we got more of the kids. ichika is super confident so when kazui revealed to have powers also, she lost her composure. she probably gets BTFO whenever they train together.

>>156851822

I don't care a lot about romance in manga, but I do wonder why Kubo focused so much on the interaction and dynamic between Rukia and Ichigo when Orihime X Ichigo was his end-game.

>>156896756
But he didn't. It's the anime's fault.

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>9 months later
>IR still on suicide watch

>>156896756
>but I do wonder why Kubo focused so much on the interaction and dynamic between Rukia and Ichigo
He really didn't. After the first arc, their interactions drop big time and their relationship can be summed into "rukia appears when hes feeling down, gives him a pep talk, and then goes off to do her own thing."

>>156884812
Actually he did.

He was Discount Yusuke, but that was fine.

>>156885325
tru2tru

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>>156851822
For me, Bleach peaks when it was about unraveling the layers of the world Ichigo inadvertently steps into (or more like born into). Aizen's plot, Isshin's flashback, captains and vice captains plotting and getting manipulated into infighting and also their backstories.

I dig the academy trio, I read all the Color Bleach SoL, I wished Kubo had written more about post-Aizen tribunals and put Nayura in canon proper rather than waste time adding new characters whose backstory don't affect anyone but themselves.

Yeah, I'm one of those shinigamifags, the kind who took Bleach into the height of its popularity.

Which is why I'm so hyped about Narita's new novel.

And don't care as much about the dynamic between Ichigo and Rukia.

>>156884573
>Most of the fanbase is fucking gone
Because the series is fucking over? The only thing we have now are the light novels and only the hardcore fans will bother to read/buy them. It's like how the last Naruto volume sold over a million copies yet the LNs only sold around 100k(which isn't bad at all especially for a light novel) but nothing compared to the sales of the manga.

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left or right

>>156899915
Right but her boobs should be bigger.

>karin, ikumi, rukia, and tatsuki all basically have the same personality
what did kubo mean by this

>>156864342
I agree with this.

But I also liked Ichigo/Ruki chemistry, they could do shit without fucking each other, like Shinigami-coppartners or whatever

>>156900433
>like Shinigami-coppartners or whatever
thats what i thought was going to happen when i first got into bleach but then she got paired up with renji and ichigo fell into the classic "ill handle everything by myself" trope. i expected them to be the duo but they really werent. they didnt even fight together that much.