What /a/ thinks about Macross Delta?

I don't think about it when I can avoid it.

Biggest disappointment of 2016

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>muh kaze
that's all I remember about it.

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The first half was fantastic
The second half was incomprehensible shit except for Freyja's birthday episode which was GOAT

She's still a great girl, but the show really shit the bed. Where the fuck was my VF dancing?

>>156748115
Movie when?

I remember dropping it because it got so boring

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>>156748509
PIKA

Crap, showed promise but decided to focus exclusively on Freyja's character, which wasn't even interesting, instead of everything else.
Romance was kinda crap too, because no real drama or stuff to overcome that wasn't solved in a single episode.

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>>156748509
RUNE PIKA BEEEEAAAAM

>>156748115
Haven't actually watched it yet. I'll do it once I finish frontier. Though I did watch the first episode and it looked promising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3nfweteZck

Love the music and ship combat, but definitely fell flat with the romance stuff which the Japs still cant get right. Overall the story was alright and as a huge space opera spanning galaxys it was fun.

>>156748589
This is beautiful.

Do you remember
The 21st night of September?

>>156748115
Freiya is great but the story focused too much on her so other characters feel neglected.

I am still somewhat impressed how Makina is easily the worst singer in Walkure, sometimes so bad she ruins some songs but her solo song is the catchiest and the one I hear more often.

In contrast, Mikumo has the best voice and the worst solo song.

>>156748115
>Messer died for no reason
>Walkure taking up the spotlight in the second half could've been time used for something else
>Delta squad being absolute shit with chuck, arad, and mirage doing nothing and not really being memorable.
>Hayate's pacifism which is cliche at this point

Started good, then it sputtered and nosed dived.

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>>156748665
Blame the composer. He's done a bunch of songs you probably like such as that one meme song. You know what I mean.

>>156748736
I am aware that the composer was TeddyLoid.
I like almost all Walkure songs by the way.

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I liked a lot of what was in Delta, but I think some of the romance execution was a little over the top in this one. I think the biggest problem the show suffered was the other focus pilot was a love interest that had no development and we didn't have enough fighting. That ultimately lead to feeling lacking compared to Frontier, which is what everyone laid it against.

I'm disappointed the show didn't pick up as much, as Walkure has some great music and they have essentially gone down as a result of the show's lack of success compared to it's predecessors.

Just make a remake movie like Frontier and fix everything wrong, please. PLEASE.

>>156748665
Nozomi might be the worst singer, but she fits in with what she does. She's a whole lot of fun. I started following all of Walkure after seeing them and she doesn't have any manager managing her page. It's fun watching her shitpost before she goes to bed.

>>156748686
Please add the reuse of the Frontier endgame. I was a little miffed by that.

Joking about that actually, I went to a Macross-themed Party Night in Japan and a guy did an abridged version of Delta and joked saying that as soon as they all merged minds, Basara would make everyone listen to his song and it would all be over.

>>156748736
Wub Wub is one of the best songs. Kyawawa is where is at.

I absolutely love it...but I only watched up to episode 14 and haven't been able to bring myself to go any further from what I heard.

Them talking through their Fukakuteisei concert was some of the coolest shit ever.

>>156748115
First half is good. Second half needs to be fixed up with a movie; view it as noncanon.

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>AKB0048 is literally the dress rehearsal for Delta
>Kawamori fucks it up because he doesn't know what the word "pacing" means
>Surely he'll learn from that mistake for Delta
>he fucking doesn't
I'm honestly confused. SDF and DYRL are my favorite cartoons ever. I love the man, but what the fuck

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The good:
>muh AXIA
>birthday episode

The bad:
>muh wind
>dumb love triangle
>plot dropping the ball further in

>>156748589
Looks like you beat me to it.

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With the exception of Zero and Plus, it seems like the overall story gets worse and the music gets better with each new Macross series.

I've already listened to AXIA and Bokura no Senjou more than most Frontier songs.

Also windniggers.

I wasn't paying attention, so who won in the end?

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>>156748589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd6zQNZiewo

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>>156748880
Episode 13 was maximum hype

>Windfag finally gets rekt

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Kaname is the best Walkure and Axia is the best song
I Love Kaname!

https://youtu.be/R1_QwGn7VXM

https://youtu.be/kgq5uSww_64

>>156748469
Unfortunately, I may have to agree

>>156748880
>dumb love triangle

Yea, Macross writers really really have to take the story to a totally new direction. Or else, it's the same old rehashed shit.

first half was great but second hard was a mistake

movie please

>>156748115
Wasn't half as good as Frontier

>>156749655
But the birthday scene was in the second half. At least excuse that.

>>156749694
Frontier was crap, even though its songs were good.

I was so hype after early preview of the first episode.

But it was only downhill from there. Not even Maki's Makis can save it.

>>156749123
Fuck you. Love triangles are great and I want more of them in Macross. One of the reasons Delta was so disappointing is because they tried to do something new with love triangle instead of usual maximal melodrama.

>>156749945
>entire galaxy as part of the world build
>still focus on relationshit drama

>>156748115
Just GIRI GIRI

>>156748115
All in all enjoyable. Got a bit boring in the second half, too much focus on Freyja. Character development lacked severely.

On the other side, songs were decent to good (Ikenai Borderline besto).

>>156748115
Freyja is the best Macross girl.

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GIRI GIRI AI

Good ideas, but the execution was lackluster. Also, Kaname, Messer and Keith should have been the main trio, but without being a love triangle, instead of the one we got. More interesting characters with more interesting relationships between them.

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>>156751436
This.

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First episode was fucking fantastic. Then it all went downhill from there. Freya was way too good for that mediocre mess of a show. I miss her. ;_;

>>156748932
That still makes zero sense to me. Keith was basically playing with Messer three eps earlier but suddenly Hayate shoots him down? What the fuck. I hated the resonance thing, especially because Hayate sucked ass, was a total newbie, but suddenly Freyja sings and he gets better. I hope they either get rid of that shit in the next Macross (not happening) or make the MC a experienced but mediocre pilot who just needs some inspiration like Mirage.

>>156748856
>I'm honestly confused. SDF and DYRL are my favorite cartoons ever. I love the man, but what the fuck
Kawamori is an ideas man, but he needed people to slap him around when he goes too far. His ideas are ideas, not stories. You need skilled people to convert the ideas into comprehensible plot.

It is easy to tell what Delta tried to do, it's just that it failed to succeed. The ideas don't mesh, the characters don't integrated, and the plot split at some point and render Windermere and Delta Squad borderline unrelated to each other.

Delta version of the original Macross TV would have the SDF-1 and its crew not interacting with the Zentradi, and have the Zentradi stopping their war on their own without any real involvement of Earthlings.

>>156751777
>Keith was basically playing with Messer three eps earlier but suddenly Hayate shoots him down?
Hayate should've beaten him by rusing him into a situlation where they have to use battroid forms, they even established that he's god tier with that in the first episode but did nothing with it.

>>156751895
Or maybe Kawamori has always been a hack, and it has been directors like Ishiguro who were the real talent.

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>>156748934
Very good taste, anon!

>>156752028
>Or maybe Kawamori has always been a hack, and it has been directors like Ishiguro who were the real talent.
The guy has real talent, there is no reason to doubt that. It's just that he can't finalise the plot, someone else had to do it.

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へいき

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Mikumo didn't win the Frejyabowl, it was shit.

>>156748665
Noone had worse solo songs than reina.
Hers are the only solo songs I never listen too (and happy birthday).

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Kaname is my Goddess.
Love almost all of the songs and S1 was great but S2 was just something.

I enjoyed and liked it but it could have been much more than it was.
It was nowhere as good as the original Macross or Frontier (or plus and zero). While it had similar feelt to it as Frontier it felt a bit like Macross for those who haven't watched Macross or something like that.
Still better than Macross 7 though...

Mirage was robbed.

>>156748115
It's shit just like Freyja. Kawamori needs to do less drugs.

>>156752338
>Mirage was robbed.
In the sense that it was nuts making her a mediocre pilot. It just seems like she is there to be made fun of. And the laughable attempt at romance with her is barely there, and I am glad she ended up single and can find a man who actually appreciates her somewhere else.

>>156748115
Great songs, great characters, plot went nowhere for 10+ episodes.
Just shorten it into movie.

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H O I N A

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Kaze ga...

>>156748115
Any macross other than the original, is shit.

>>156748516
Scrapped for more Windemere.

>>156748115
It was so shit that they needed to bring Macross Frontier back

>>156748115
Second half was a disappointment. In general too much dog fighting, they could make Ace Combat anime instead.

Is Minori's career dead already? I don't think she's made her solo debut yet, plus she's only had two roles since then. Even Mamegu had a better post-Macross career. What happened?

This scene is better than the final episode of Delta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slqa30DSSKE

>>156748115
It was very gorigori.

I only remember some bullshit about wind, apples and cockpit sex. Not necessarily in that order.

>>156750129
Not like the "world build" part is good though.

>>156748115
I try not to remember the crushing disappointment

Really fun first half with lots of potential. And then the show hits a slog when Messer dies, gets it's feet back for one good mid-series finale and then goes straight to hell. It fucking hurts seeing what happened to Delta.

Only good things about it was the music and Freyja winning. Though even that felt like it was poor because it was such an obvious conclusion

>>156755090
7

A part of me wants to be happy that Walkure is still really popular and selling out concerts but it hurts because of the show that came with it. When I listen to my favorite songs in SDF, 7 and Frontier, I remember the good times. This isn't the case for Delta

Especially Axia. That's one of my favorite songs and the first thing I remember is "Oh this is when the show goes downhill"

Fuck, Walkure's first album was the first one I ever actually downloaded

>>156748856
>AKB0048
>Fucks it up
I mean, I think the ending was a little rushed but I felt like it did the job

>>156748115
The only good things out of it were the music and Mikumo.

>>156755591
I feel you. Listening to Walkure songs is really hard for me because it reminds me of all the disappointment and negative feelings I associate with Delta and all the shitposting of the Delta threads. Fuck you Kawamaori and fuck you /a/.

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Nothing beats 7 for me.
It was so silly and over the top but I loved every second of it.
Do you remember when the whales started to sing?
I was mesmerized.

>>156748115
Bad. The higher-ups seem to think the same thing since they said that the next Macross will be more traditional than what we got with Delta.

I'm really hoping that they restrict Kawamori to mechanical designs since his dedication to his waifus has literally destroyed shows.

>>156748115
I want to marry Freyja

>>156755868
I only wish his dedication to waifus was actually what ruined Delta.

>>156752053
Shouldn't you be dead, Messer?

>>156755868
I hope they tone down Protoculture stuff. It's not mysterious anymore.

>second cour of nothing happens
>still managed to get one rushed final episode that concludes nothings
You have to admit it takes talent to fuck up this badly.

>>156755868
While i'm not asking they develop every characters perfectly, i hope next Macross won't end up wasting bunch of characters again.

>>156755996
I'll settle for a well developed triangle instead of a literally who, guy who screams Freyja over and over and the girl who always had to be in the center.

I hope that they remember that they have transforming robots this time instead of using fighter mode almost all the time.

>>156756118
I find Hayate's personality likeable, but as a MC he's lackluster.

>>156755868
Source? Also, not surprising at all. I think Delta changed so many things that viewers, especially veteran Macross fans, were a bit confused.

>>156755920
The problem was that the answers were extremely stupid and didn't have a whole lot to do with the previous shows.
>show promises more information about Protoculture
>presents mysteries like why windermerians were made like that, what does Mikumo have to do with the Protoculture, decent buildup
>answer: dude Instrumentality Project lmao

>>156755996
I think Delta had several secondary characters that had more defined and satisfying themes and storylines than the main three. Kaname, Messer and Mikumo and also Keith, Heinz, Roid and Bogue had all character arcs with common themes between them. For example, there are obvious parallels between Messer-Kaname and Keith-Heinz.

>>156756444
>>presents mysteries like why windermerians were made like that
I hope they answer this in the next Macross for good. I intend to rewatch Frontier again, because Sheryl's fold illness is suspiciously similar to what Windermerians suffer from, except she didn't get white marks.

>>156755324
Nobody wants a voice actress who won a Macross audition in their animu.

>>156756477
I want to talk more about the latter part. Both Messer and Keith distanced themselves from the person they loved the most because they both thought it was for the best. They were wrong, of course. Kaname didn't love Messer, but she was friendly enough to him to guess that she wanted to get closer to him if only because he's her pilot. Messer shot down any chance he had with her himself for considering himself too dangerous and unworthy because of Var Syndrome and his past. In the end Kaname becomes more and more disappointed with Arad and ends up 'choosing' Messer who's been dead for months in the finale.

And none of this shit would have happened if Keith had stayed closer to his brother instead of handing him on a silver plate to Roid, refusing to see that who was once like another sibling to him has gone mad with his delusions of protoculture and is about to mind enslave the whole galaxy, Windermerians included. But instead he pulls the same shit Messer did and realizes his mistake too late.

I think Hayate and Freyja were about to make the same mistake those two did when they started avoiding each other, especially on Freyja's part because her short lifespan had been shortened even more because of her overuse of fold waves, and which is only going to become even shorter now that she has chosen to keep singing with Walkure. But in the end they decided to enjoy whatever time they have left together.

Man, I shit on Delta a lot but I actually did like this theme about chances and being honest with the ones you love.

>>156756477
I'm pretty sure none of the Windies hand anything even remotely like a character arc

>>156756899
Freyja, Keith, Heinz and Roid had.

>>156748115
It was pretty bad. Watchable for a seasonal show but a let down for Macross.

Freyja looks and sounds like a top tier girl. If I wasn't happily, waifud I tell, ya.
Mirage getting blown out while people posted comparisons to previous seasons was absolutely amazing and Mirgagefags' slow loss of hope and humanity is an experience I never want to forget

>>156755324
>Freyja dies soon after anime ending because of windermerian white skin cancer
>Minoringo's career dies right after anime ending too
It's poetry.

Kawamori finds those girls because he enjoys crashing their dreams. He will probably use Minori in his next cyberpunk project for some unimportant role just out of pity and then we will never hear about her again.

>>156748555
>freyja's character [...] wasn't interesting
shinpi/mirgae trash detected

>>156756899
>Keith, Heinz and Roid
See >>156756807, and for Roid I'd say placing your delusions of grandeur over the ones you originally cared for, and also not living in the present, a big theme in the series.
>Bogue
Living in the past vs. living in the present, yet again. Bogue chooses the first over and over during the series, which steems from the trauma of losing most of his family during the war and getting no closure because NUNS are assholes who blamed the MDE on them. Compare to Freyja's case (she's his foil), who has moved on and doesn't feel any animosity towards the rest of the galaxy. By the end he hasn't forgiven NUNS action but, hey, he is open to the idea of Walkure and peace of the rest of the galaxy, like he has finally realized humans and the other races aren't bad per se.

>>156748115
It had the best songs in a Macross series.

>>156757168
This also

>>156755324
>>156757072
It had better not be. Her voice hits the spot really well.

>>156748115
Was a decent show until it ended. Ending and few episodes leading to it were shit.

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>>156748736
Thicc Makina.

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>>156749945
But triangle in Delta was not even a triangle. Mirage was totally upstaged by Freyja.

>>156755375
Big Wednesday is better, desu.

>>156757765
>that file name
Make 'that' post. You know you want to, [pal]

Good points:
Retarded Freyja
Messer /ourboy/
Mikumo
Makina /u/
Giri Giri Ai
Shota Prince
Episode 18
Episode 16

Bad points
Shitty love triangle/rival
Star singer Mikumo
Var Hayate
Immelmann Dance
Wind
Freyja dies younger
Storytelling Episode
Bogue existed
Kassim died
Everything from Ep 19 to last Ep

>>156757860
What post do you mean, buddy?

>>156748115
Unironically the best in the franchise

I just finished watching SDF, Frontier and Delta
Gonna watch 7 next, though it has a lot of episodes.

I've only watched the TV series, are the movies and OVAs must watch?

>>156748469
>>156749103
Couldn't even finish the last 5 or so episodes.

Needed far more breakdancing robos, and should've kept Messer alive since it's not like his death really did anything

>>156748115
Great first half, awful second half. I still feel they were being too ambitious for the amount of episodes they had.

I think it must not have performed up to the Macross staff's expectations either because we're getting a new Macross series only two years after Delta.

>>156748806
Watch up to episode 16. That's where the triangle ended.

>>156758382
Yeah. DYRL is a must-see if only because it's beautifully-animated. And the Frontier movies change a lot of the plot from the tv series, so watch them. 7 has some very beloved OVAs.

Don't forget to watch Plus and Zero too.

>>156758685
>Plus and Zero
Are shit. But, sure, watch them. But they are SHIT.

>>156759049
But they still have the best dogfights.

>>156748115
Dead franchise because kawamori decided to become an imbecile.
sag'd deleted hidden thread

>>156749846
>I was so hype after early preview of the first episode.
Same.

5 idols, 5 delta pilots, 5 enemy pilots. I didn't expect just a love triangle. I expected Okada level of love polygon clusterfuck with everyone liking someone, but they always like someone else instead. You have pairings you want to win, you have pairings you don't want to win, it's always fun. We could have someone from windies switching to delta side because of their love for idol, we could have someone from delta going rogue because of unrequited love. Millions of possibilities, but instead we didn't get even one proper triangle.

Mikumo was so shinpi, she could jump between buildings and stay still on flying VF. I thought she would have some major role in Delta's plot. So many threads people were speculating about who she actually is. But reveal was extremely boring and in the end Mikumo was pretty much irrelevant in the story.

Something similar happened with Freyja. Do you remember her flashback of burning house in episode 1? Some people were even speculating that Freyja is actually a Windermerian princess. Nope, they never explained what that burning house was about. It's like they completely cut out some subplot line.

I expected battroid mode fights and dancing, but we didn't get any. I expected idols to be flying in back seat of VF, but then they used shuttle. I expected majority of characters to have arcs and development, but only very few of them got it. I expected so fucking much, way too much than I should have. But not a single one of those expectations came true. Well except for Freyja x Hayate ending.

Fire everyone involved with Delta and start fresh. Force Kawamori to go to 2ch and read all several hundreds of Delta's generals until he understands where he went wrong.

Is Nyankuri the best OVA?

>>156757953
This.

In short, nobody likes Delta.

>>156759593
>Dead franchise
There's a new series this year

>>156759900
>But reveal was extremely boring
It would've been so much better if she was the original and had been found in a stasis coffin or something

>>156760937
He posts it in every Macross thread. Sometimes 2 times per thread because jannitor deletes his post and he probably never actually hide the thread.

Looking at a DYRL torrent and it mentions that its uncensored
What exactly is there to uncensor? violence or sex?

>>156748115
A waste

>>156761922
Some Minmay tiddies, but it's nothing really.

>>156760937
Most likely it won't recover. They fucked up.

>>156760937
Wait, so soon?

>>156762111
Hayase is better

>>156757953
List is good, but
>Immelman dance
>bad
Come on, man. Do you even know why they chose "Immelman" as his name?

Also, that bit when he jumps off the runway to have the updraft prevent him from falling. Fucking bonkers.

>>156748115
Freyja is dead.

Delta was my first Macross and I always thought that the giants was caused by the var virus but after watching SDF I realized that they were actually a race

>>156748115
Better than Frontier. I honestly think the Frontier ending was way more rushed than the Delta ending. The only thing bad about the ending is that the anime didn't delve deeper into Lord Roid's motivation despite being a major character since the first episode.

>>156760937
>There's a new series this year
I hope it's about Mirage? Poor girl got so little screentime so it hurts.

>>156762296
>>156763388
It's not this year, it's in 2018.
Most likely it won't be directly related to Delta.

>>156762761
Not that anon, but it's bad because they never do anything with it. It's the same shit with the breakdancing fighting in the first episode. Why fucking bother with something interesting like that and then drop it like it never existed? It almost feels like bait.

>>156748115
Whoa woo dancing in September

>>156761922
there was a BD release which censored the gore

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Fun first half, the second felt schizophrenic dumping huge amounts of information that went absolutely nowhere ending in a climax that answered virtually none of those questions. The reveal of Lady M was the absolute worst.

The love triangle was crap when Mirage straight gave up and started to self sabotage.

There was a handful of good songs. Do You Remember Love only really showed up on the OST discounting the instrumental near the last episode.

Mikumo was best girl and added one of the strongest voices in the franchise.

Overall, it's above Macross 2, but falls short of the expectations set by the franchise as a whole. It needs a movie for any chance at closure for its mess of a plot.

The music was at its top in Delta for me
atleast the way they pretty much integrated it in every battle

Music was great but it didn't manage to beat Frontier or DYRL. Lion, Sayonara no Tsubasa or Northern Cross are still the best of the franchise.

The love triangle was pretty bad. Mikumo should be part of it instead of Mirage, which seemed like a secondary character. Freyja was fine but then she turned into a shit, her win was obvious af so there wasn't even a love triangle.

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>>156748115

I did enjoyed it like every other Macross series and that Chibi Macross Delta was hilarious.

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Chibi!

>>156748115
Very mediocre. Enjoyable, but he show lacked any sense of tension. The "war" just felt like a 5v5 dogfight skirmish because that's literally the only thing shown. I couldn't take the Winermens serious. Mikumo was the best girl by far.

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What did Reina mean by this?

Remember when they wasted a whole episode on the Arabian merchant explaining the lore of Macross?

I want my movie and hoina

>>156756542
Late reply, but Maaya?

captcha: Select all images that match the label: horn.

Can't remember much about the show anymore: why do Windies have short lifespans again?

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Hoina was a major cutie, and the way that Mikumo hits that one high note in NEO STREAM hits me in the right spot.

>>156771058
'Overcloking'. They can do physical feats better than humans and got their rune stuff at the cost of reduced lifespan.

It had lots of good stuff but ended up falling flat.
The protagonist characters were all likable and pretty good. Freyja and Mirage were both awesome.
Villians not as much.
The first half was pretty good all in all.
But the latter half got bogged down, didn't feel like the stakes made much sense. After they ran from Ragna things should have taken a more urgent/desperate tone IMO.

I think the worst part is the love triangle kinda wasn't. Poor Mirage got put on the back-burner too much.

>>156771201
Actually it was explained in one of interviews that their short lifespans is safeguard against them overusing protoculture tech.

I guess singing and operating takes lots of life energy (Heinz sang himself almost to death and Roid was barely alive after just few minutes of operating ruin system). That's why they needed Mikumo to sing. The only reason we had major battle in the end is because Delta literally gave Mikumo to enemy.

>>156771522
Yack deculture!

And thats another twist they could use on the finale..

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Give Mirage more love. She deserves it

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>>156752140
Delet this

>>156771725
Who?

>>156751703

dumb apple poster

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>>156763958
Pretty much this. Macross Delta movie when? I want my superior retelling version.

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So, I'd like to get into Macross. What should I watch (if chrono, then what order too) to begin with?

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>>156774026
I'd do it by airing order. Starting with Macross Zero is probably going to mislead you a bit since you're starting with one of the most irregular Macross entries. If you can't stomach Macross 7, skipping isn't a terrible idea, but it does get referenced a number of times in the subsequent entries.

Just don't watch Robotech, no matter what.

>>156774194
What's wrong with Macross 7? If you can tell me without spoiling. (If you can't, I'm sorry)

>>156774259
It wastes 20 or so episodes for nothing and the plot is slow as fuck in general. Also fuck Basara and fuck Planet Dance. But it has some Max and Max is cool.

Is Macross better then Gundam?

>>156774408
Yes?

>>156774259
>What's wrong with Macross 7
A lot of people didn't like this one because of the high amounts of reused clips for battle scenes, which is kinda shit because there's pretty much no fighting anyway. Another reason is because Basara's autism mixes with Mylene's character very horribly, creating a bad overall tone for the show.

There are a lot of things it did right, and I personally like it despite its flaws. The good doesn't outweigh the bad though.

>>156774408
Gundam and Macross are apples and pineapples.

>>156774442
Appreciate the response. I guess I'll go (find a way to) download the first Macross.

>>156774259
49 episodes, 3 extra episodes, the movie and 4 Dynamite OVA.

Also...

saa hajimaru ze SATURDAY NIGHT / choushi wa dou dai?
LET'S STAND UP / BEAT o kanjiru kai

Get used to this.

>>156774259
Nothing, but it's a monster of the week show and some people can't stand them. But it's a fun show with great music and lovable characters. FeMC is pretty annoying, though.

Dammit. I'll just watch Macross (OG) on a streaming site. Since the person who subbed it doesn't have it up anywhere since Nyaa died.

Macross 7 is great, because it's fucking insane and has a lot of great moments like Exedol pulling the "I was never properly trained in it's operation"

>>156774642
Planet Dance does get annoying after the third or fourth time its played, but at least there were great songs like Holy Lonely Night mixed in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXkF53ATZeQ

>Dynamite OVAs
Those completely redeem Macross 7 for me.

>>156774408
They...are hard to compare directly.
Gundam has this sort of grim message. Macross is hopeful...and I think more powerful for it.

I think, if you could only watch one mecha series to watch...I think SDFM is the one I'd go with.
There's plenty of flaws but it still feels like something special to me.

>>156774975
Interesting point. I tried to get into Gundam, but found it hard because the fandom is pretty rabid about it. Plus it's a tad confusion in OG. (Maybe that's cuz I'm stupid, I dunno)

I haven't watched any macross but I might watch it just for the giri giri ai

>>156774408
Gundam is a souless toy commercial. Post Zero Macross is a souless idol commercial.

Episodes 1-13 set up the series to be one of the best entries in the Macross franchise.
Episodes 14-26 were fucking retarded and left the viewers with more questions than answers.
I'm also sad that Minori isn't getting more roles in other shows. Her voice acting as Freyja was perfect, her singing was top notch and Freyja's accent that was made up of a mix of various dialects showed that she has a large amount of talent in order to execute it as well as she did. I'm not sure who it was that came up with the idea for Freyja's accent, but if it was her then it also shows a very large amount of creativity.

Also, does wanting to fuck Mikumo make me a pedophile?

>>156775138
Soo... basically anime now and days?

>>156774803
Totally, if you can get into it it's tons of fun once it gets going. Bunch of great songs too.

I will never get past that the war just stops. It doesn't end, the Windies just leave for a bit and promise they'll come back later

>>156775422
There was no time for a proper epilogue. The powerpoint episode, the unnecessary Walkure flashback and the fanservice concert were more important.

>>156771011
Wasn't she Escaflowne?

>>156775267
Yes.

>>156748665
Did you mean fucking Reina?

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>>156775576
>the fanservice concert
Cutting that out would make the show absolutely boring. There were dozens of scenes with Windermerians that could have been cut out. Delta was poorly planned, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a first draft submission.

>>156775662
Fuck. That's another anime I need to watch.

>>156774408
Original SDF Macross is better than the best of Gundam, but the worst of Gundam is better than the worst of Macross.

>>156775788
Windememeans were the most boring thing about the show.
>wow imperial Japan in space
>wow they are stronk and have fuckton of asspulls and everyone loves them
Too much japwank.

>>156775850
And the worst of Macross is?

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>>156748589
Puts a smile on my face every time.
One of the best anime mashups out there.

>>156748115
The first episode gave the the heebeejeebees.

>>156748115
IKENAI BORDERLIIIIIIINE

>>156748115
aaiiaa

dadadadadaa da

aaiiaa

>>156775788
Go watch an ecchi anime if you want T&A. That episode was fucking shit. Idolshit is bad enough as background for the dogfights, we don't need a whole episode of cheap fanservice.

>>156775850
>any Macross as bad as G-Reco or 0083
No.

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>>156752173
>Freyja stop lusting after Mikumo and became Hayate's bitch

>>156776896
>being this mad
If you want super robots, you came to the wrong place, kid.

Macross is somehow shittier than Gundam. Maybe it's all of the autistic singing.

>>156777035
BTFO and go to a Gundam thread.

>>156776999
Of course I'm mad. You hornyfags have hundreds of shows, we dogfightsfags have nothing. Delta was supposed to be about two ace teams fighting each other. What we got was idolshit and muh resonance bullshit.

>>156777221
Robots don't sell unless it's a Gundam. Idolshit sells.

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>>156752140
へっちゃら

>>156777221
Lol anime catering to your needs are RARE as fuck. Go to Gundam, nigga.

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I occasionally think of how much I want to bone Mikumo, but that's all.

Who's best girl and why?

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>>156748115
I like the albums at least.

Can Macross redeem itself?

How is Macross F?

>>156777910
Freyja and Kaname were the only good girls. The others were a waste of air, one dimensional or plot devices.

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>>156778219
Pretty good.

>>156748115

Didn't even feel like it was part of the Macross universe to be quite honest

So who the fuck is responsible for destroying Macross?

>>156777910
Mikumo, because of everything.

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>>156778447
>planes
check
>idols
check
>protoculture
check
>ayylmaos
check
>references to previous entries in the series
check
>pseudoscience, technobabble, scientific mysteries
check

The only thing it's missing is a legitimate love triangle. Delta was definitely a Macross show. It's just that there are better ones out there that it has to be compared to, which makes it look shitter than it already is.

>>156778966
Jesus that dog fight is shit

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>>156779135
Yeah, Delta's stuff was shit compared to Frontier's, I'll admit that. But have you watched Macross 7? It could be far worse.

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>>156748540
>CGI

>>156748115
After first cour, I only stayed for the music.

>>156779260
I'm currently going through the Macross series. Starting with the first

>>156779135
Every dog fight in Delta was shit. That's what happens when the antagonists are mary sues that have more plot armour than the protagonists. Absolutely zero tension or excitement in every confrontation.

>>156779827
The CGI also manages to look worse than Frontiers', despite being produced many years later. Even if it had a comparatively smaller budget/less production time, it should at least look passable.

It seems everything except for trite idolshit was just a fleeting tout in the higher-ups' priority list.

>>156779827
Not this shit again. The antagonists were superhuman ace pilots, the ones with massive plot armor were the Delta squad pilots who other than Messer and maybe Arad were fucking shit and had a rookie and still somehow survived against ace pilots who had been training for years. If this was a realistic show, the Knights would have destroyed the Deltas the first time they fought.

Jeez. The more you guys talk about how bad some of these series can be. The more I want to find something else to watch.

>>156780104
Watch Fafner and Majestic Prince.

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>>156780104
We only hate it because we love it.

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>>156777910
Mikumo
pic related

>>156780104
Macross isn't perfect. Since a lot of the good points are pretty obvious, all we can do is talk about what the series should do better.

Zero and the Macross Frontier movies are some of the best works in the franchise, and Do You Remember Love is legendary-tier.

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>>156782329
>Zero
>best works in the franchise

I've seen 7, 7D, 7E, Plus, Zero, SDF, DYRL, and Delta, should I bother watching frontier and the movies?

>>156783477
>I've seen 7, 7D, 7E, Plus, Zero, SDF, DYRL, and Delta, should I bother watching frontier and the movies?
Why did you even skip Fronter for?

>>156783477
The carrot song is the only good thing about Frontier.

>>156783606
and Sheryl's hopes and dreams.

>>156748115
2nd half has shit but Delta still deserves praise for breaking the Macross tradition of worst girl winning

>>156783533
Because I was watching it in release order, and when I finished Zero, Delta started. I figured I haven't seen one while airing, so I started watching it and just never got back to frontier.

>>156783716
Plus is the only Macross in which worst girl won.

>>156783716
The sky is best girl, and the movies aren't canon.

>>156783369
>made in 2002
>performs better than Macross Delta in every way
Go away.

>>156783930
Zero is just an inferior Plus.

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>>156784004
What the hell does that even mean? They're not similar even in the slightest.

>Zero
Prequel to the original SDF Macross. Shows off a protoculture technology left behind on earth, and how a Mayan island village protected it. Filled with dog fights and very little emphasis on pop culture, if at all. Very important to the series, playing a role in shaping both Frontier and Delta's plots.

>Plus
Sequel to the original SDF Macross. Autistic MC gets into a fight with a slightly more autistic MC over a dumb slut of a woman. Oh yeah and they're testing an airplane so they use it to destroy an illuminati spyware. Literally skippable.

>>156780104
It's an overrated franchise. Only plus and the original were worth watching.

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>>156748115

Not enough Makina

>>156784586
Reina's a lucky girl

Who won? I dropped it when the pilot died in the rivalry subplot

>>156785543
The only girl that got screentime.

>>156785543
>I dropped it during the best part of the show
What did he mean by this?

>>156784359
>Literally skippable.
True that Plus is less relevant than Zero, but I think it's still a good piece of worldbuilding. We see the first colonized planet, how valkys are developed, and AIs and transhumanism are introduced. The last is somewhat important to Frontier because of Galaxy. I mean, notice that many of Sheryl's songs like Iteza, Pink Monsoon, Universal Bunny or Welcome to My Fanclub's Night are similar to Sharon Apple's stuff. Considering that she grew up in Galaxy it's not difficult to see that Sharon Apple, an AI, would be popular there and Sheryl is just catering to her tastes, even if as a kid (according to cd dramas) she wanted to sing rock like Fire Bomber. And then in Frontier tv series around ep 22 or so they point out when she sings Yousei that her songs feel different.

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She was too good for this show.

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woman on top END

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>>156788993
Yes. Mirage was definitely the favorite and I want her to be happy. She's too lovable

The only thing i can remember from delta threads are the buddy posting Yo Buddy... Still Alive?

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>>156789761
Poor Mirage. She's a failure on all accounts and probably a great shame on the Jenius name.

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>>156748589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWX8IVfGsIQ

>>156789761
>Mirage was definitely the favorite
According to who?

>>156789831
AC7 soon, fellow buddy.

>>156748115
>The Macross show where they focused on where a young main girl singer is suddenly one of the shittiest in the series.

Why am I not surprised.

>>156757168
But M7 had the best songs. I'll give Delta second place though.

The aerial knight's planes made my wee-wee hard.

>>156789942
You like SAABs?

>>156789852
The Jenius family is pretty big at that point so I doubt every single one of them performed great deeds. Mirage at least fought in a minor war and lived to tell the tale.

However the name did put her under pressure as a pilot. I still say she could benefit from training in an actual meltran wing.

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I hope we move on from the VF-25/30/31 family as the hero VF's.

>>156757168
>implying a single Delta song comes close to Angel Voice

>>156789913

No more Planet Dance please

>>156790033
its shit

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>>156790052
Don't worry, they switch it up later on.
>>156790094
Nothing wrong with the 25, but I feel like all the recent protag VF's have been a bit too similiar to each other.

>>156790138
I find it highly ironic that Kawamori hates 5th gen fighters for "looking all the same" and hates the proposed next gen fighters for that reason yet Macross planes have kind of all looked the same for almost 20 years with the only distinctions being the direction of the wings.

He should really just admit he loves one design that looks like a Russian F14 instead of making up shit about how all current gen fighters look the same even though it's extremely easy to tell the difference between the 22s/35s and their Russian and Euro counterparts.

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>>156774408
the original series is better then ANY gundam series
DYRL was so fucking good but i still liked the og series more
gundam suffers from severe autistic dialogue and plastic toy shilling
also macross has better music and best girl

>>156778219
prepare for love triangle bullshit
its will be okay to good if your favorite girl wins
or you will fucking hate it once you realize that your girl lost
good that i asked for spoilers for the macross f movies so i didn't waste my time on this steaming pile of shit

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>>156775850
>the worst of Gundam is better than the worst of Macross.
At first I dismissed this as bullshit but upon reflection, I would much rather sit through 50 episodes of IBO again than Delta's 25.

It was bad, then it went to shit, and not in a good way. There aren't even any good doujins.

>>156791501
The Mirage Attack one was funny.

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I want to start a family with Kaname-san.

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Tell me about Reina and why is she so cute

>>156748115
Wasted potential.

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>>156786263
Couldn't be fucked to watch it anymore since I got bored of all the other characters bullshit

>>156752173
W-Why is Freyja licking her bellybutton?
And why is it so hot?

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>>156791590
The doujins where you can't even jack off because you're too entertained are the best.

Freyja best girl.

During the last few episodes people reacted to everything like Delta is the 3rd worst thing ever happened to anime industry since Destiny and A/Z.
Now I'm reading this thread and seeing that general feeling is mostly varied degree of disappointment and not an extreme hatred. It's a good sign. It means people are ready to give Kawamori another chance with Macross next year.

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>>156748589
Holy shit! That was too good

>>156784004
>>156790033
The 30 and 31 have almost nothing in common with the 25/27/29 design other than a few superficial features. The transformation systems are vastly different.

>>156784359
>>156786775

You're also skipping the most diverse soundtrack in Macross. Not to mention the introduction of the virtual idol concept a decade before "Simone" and Vocaloid.

>>156799866
Oops didn't mean to quote that first one, accidentally clicked it while reading replies and didn't proofread well.

>>156748115
Nobody gives a fuck