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Isekai in a nutshell

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Is this picture accurate you guys?
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Should've just made one category and named it "shit"
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>>156625317
Wow, we've never had this thread before!
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>>156625317
>Overlord
>not having cahracter development
I shouldn't respond to bait, but at least try.
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Digimon Tamers confirmed for GOAT?
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>>156625317
I get the feeling you didn't watch basically any of these,
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>Grimgar
>character development no
>world building yes
Someone clearly did not watch that anime.
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>>156625317
log horizon deaths cause memory loss. it's a death in installments
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>>156626089
But it's only useless things like the names of streets or pets
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>>156625317
>.hack
>World Building
>NO
???
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>>156626392
if you die more often you'll eventually lose important things. and pets are important to some people
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>>156625317
SAO has world building. It just happens to be stupid.
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>>156625317
No. Kill yourself tripfag.
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>>156625317
I'll never properly understand what character development mean. I've seen all of them and all the characters stay the same as they started. We get to know some quirks about their personality at times, but I never warrant any of them to actually change.
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>>156625317
Where is MKR?
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>>156625317
it's "i'm a contrarian shit" the chart
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>>156626923
Nirvana has 0 of these.
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>>156625317
Don't lump in Escaflowne, .hack, and 12 kingdom with the rest of that garbage. That word wasn't even a genre when those anime were made
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When is some next big isekai coming like mt or shieldbro that I can read daily with /a/ ?
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>>156625317
Whoever made that chart apparently doesn't know anything about Overlord. Overlord is all about world building, the characters don't die permanently because there is resurrection, and character development is very much present.
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>>156627113
if you mean main characters, sure. others do not come back.
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>>156625317
lol no
There are better ways to explain why certain LNs are shit, or to defend the quality of the LNs you like, than to just blatantly lie about certain aspects of them.
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"Have an important objective" is a bad thing.
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>>156627165
Gagaran and Tia.
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>>156627165
So only the characters that matter at all and the audience cares about are immune to death? It feels appropriate to only consider whether death applies to those characters rather than the red shirts in the background.
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>>156627170
>muh open world slice of life shit
You watch that stuff because you want to watch people being normies right?
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>>156626923
I'll bite
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>>156627281
>implying normalfags act like sol chars
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>>156627251
Rather than immune to death they can be resurrected. and yeah i agree with you.
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>>156626923
And that's being super liberal with 'Betrayal' and 'Revenge'
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>>156627900
Since we're talking isekai, is there an anon that can TL this?
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>read stranger handbook
>thought it would be harem after certain chapters, but after more chapters it's confirmed not harem
>even more the MC and his waifu are both yandere
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>>156625317
>Overlord
>no world building
Yeah, this is bait.
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>>156625317
Where's Boo Boo on the list?
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>>156628579
Thats more isekai anime list than LN list you know
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>database
>mc not overpowered
Why am I even posting here.
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>>156628622
>implying Boo Boo isn't going to get an anime adaptation soon
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season 2 never
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No game no life is the best one out of all those on that list though
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>>156628775
You could use >>156626923 this for now.
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>>156628579
>Boo Boo
?
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>no idea what to do
>ignoring the fact that nobody remembers home
>implying that's unrealistic
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>>156628579
I is isekai'd character in Booboo?
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>>156630102
*Who is
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>>156625317
>Grimgar
>no character development
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Is this character development?
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>>156625317
>Grimgar
>characters die permanently
>Mary
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>>156625317
Tamers isn't isekai, it's about Digimon in the real world.
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>>156625317
Going back home isn't te obective in 12 kingdoms, she actually wants to stay after a while.
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>>156630157
The MC Beatrice and the rest of the other adventurers from Earth.
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>KONOSUBA
>have fun

uh
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>>156626574
This. Some of it's ok, but much of it exists for the convenience of the plot.
That said, Alicization goes pretty crazy in-depth with world building, that it requires 10 volumes to tell.

Also
>No character development
Just because it's shitty character development, doesn't mean there's none.
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>>156630846
That's like the first half of it
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>>156631006
What? It's true
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>>156632150
That's not their objective tho...
It's to kill the demon king and return home.

They're just all so incompetent that they never do.
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>>156625317
where is those who hunt elves?
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>>156625317
>12 Kingdoms
>have an important objective
>go back home
>this objective for Youko

Disagree.
Youko only thinks about going back in the beginning, and latter only because she wishes she could talk somethings with her "parents", and that's it. Youko have more important goals and is a being that always belonged to that other world.
12 Kingdoms is much more than a simple Isekai.
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>>156625317
A lot of wrong stuff on that chart.
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>>156625317
Konosuba actually does have character development and world building in the light novels. Megumin's goal is expanded on, Darkness becomes more serious, and the mysteries of the world are slowly unveiled while still keeping the comedy.
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>>156626923
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>>156626923
So close.
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So basically 12 kingdom , digimon tamers, and escaflowne are the only ones worth our time ?
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>>156625317
>No Outbreak Company
No, it's shit.
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>>156625317
This list is shit. Why is tamers on there, but not Adventure. And El Hazard is nowhere to be seen.
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>>156625317
Overlord definitely has worldbuilding.
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>>156628427
anyone?
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>>156636600
Yea if you want to be bored to death.
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>>156627399
Technically Tomoe, Mio, and Shiki are slaves
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>>156635769
The revenge and betryal squares should just be filled black not just one line through
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>>156625317
Digimon Tamers is overrated, adventure was great!!!!
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>>156626923
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>>156645202
Adventure is good (and so is 02, fuck off) but you got it the other way around, Tamers isn't even nearly as popular.
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>>156627085
>Excuses

They are Isekai. Also Digimon/Now and Then, Here and There/Kiba did exist.
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>>156645752
>group of students are isekai'd
>MC becomes one of the most powerful beings in the world in the first vol
Technically both are true.
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>>156645202
Adventure is only half-good
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>>156646100
This.
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>>156625317
Why normies enjoy this kind of anime series so much? My brother doesn't stop talking about how good are re:zero and SAO. The only anime of the list i like is konosuba. I know is shit but at least is funny.
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>>156646132
Because in the west things like SAO and Rezero are way more popular, even stuff like masume kuns revenge gets more views on kissanime which is used more by westerners i assume.
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>>156646132
Normalfags enjoy the fantasy because they actually hate their lives. Deep down they know without validation through facebook likes, they would've killed themselves long ago.
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>>156645036
pffffft. yeah you're right
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just another reason everyone should watch Digimon Tamers at least once, it's honestly such a great series
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>>156646206
>west
>more by westerners
Are you from Europe or some Asian country? The way you use "west" suggests that.
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>>156646447
Yea my bad, should've referred them as white trash.
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>>156646447
Australia, which is a relatively small market compared to america.
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>>156625317
You forgot Dunbine

>World building = Yes
>Character died permanently = Yes
>Character development = Yes
>Important objective = Defeat the conquering warlord
>MC overpowered = possible, but it will kill him.
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>>156626923
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>>156646488
So mainstream anime is the same as America? I've always wondered how people from other countries perceive anime what they like.
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>>156646697
You forgot elves and the free space
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>>156628873
>MC is too young to care about girls
>MC is male in a largely female world
>MC can fight in and out of mech
the most tasteful isekai with extremely tasteful girls
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>>156627251
Not entirely. For those of Nazerick ressurection is a thing for Ainz unknown didnt had the chance to test that at this point.
Ressurection magic exists in the NW but those that can use it are rare and those that wants to be ressurected needs to be a certain strenght otherwise they will just turn into ash, So in short its out of reach for the common folk or nobles only if they are adventureres and reached a certain point they are able to be ressurected.
Ressurection itself from the NW weakens the ressurected and if they dont work up their strenght again they can potentially be not ressurected anymore.

So ressurections is more out of the norm then being the norm.
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> Permanent death
Question, what about a transmigration or reincarnation cycle into a new world? Is that supposed to be bad or what?
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>>156647407
it's a bingo about what cliches does the LN in question include. Assume permaent death is permanent death, if they die they fucking stay dead.
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>>156647510
But they are already dead within their old world or along those lines permanently. With reincarnation or transmigration, we assume it is a norm and it is a cycle of life, death, and rebirth anew from the beginning.
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>>156647630
if they die in the other world and don't get revived or reincarnated into it then permanent death. also how ya doin
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>>156626923
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>>156647834
Technically he's already one f the most powerful.
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>>156647899
He was a shitty salaryman and became a lich god in the first volume.
I also stretched it a bit with the evil god and demon king ones because the evil gods are considered that by the people and weren't legit deities and the demon king is just the MC rusing everyone.
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>>156647834
Nice bait.
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>>156647965
Sounds fair i guess.
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>>156648003
Explain what is wrong with it aside from what I mentioned in >>156647965
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>>156647721
So it's technically between a green light and a blue light meaning this is ok/excused?
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>>156627900
Evil God should be ticked, the witch (unless she counts as demon king instead)
Isekai'd by a kingdom/god similarly
RPG mechanics should be ticked
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>>156636358
Superior Japanese baths, revenge, and killed by a truck-kun should be ticked
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>>156648694
MC wasn't killed by a truck, he died because of a heart attack due to shock or something like that.
They menion in the first episode/chapter how ridiculous his death was and how everyone laughed when they heard about it.
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>>156647834
>Otaku/NEET mc
He's a salaryman.
>1 yen equals 1 copper, 100 yen equals 1 silver, and 10,000 yen equals 1 gold.
Nazarick uses Yggrasil's gold. But people in the NW only consider it as pure gold and not a currency.
>Killed by a knife/Truck-kun
???????
>A group of students are Isekai'd
???????????
>No adventurer's guild
They do have adventurer's guild that plays a pretty big role in the storyline.
>90% of the cast are girls
False.

Are you an animeonlyfag?
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>>156648799
Wait, aren't you supposed to tick the ones that the show is guilty off? Otherwise I'm retarded.
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>>156648859
*of
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>>156648799
The red ticked ones apply, the blank ones do not.
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>>156648799
Anon, you never played bingo? If so, understand the rules. The red marks are falling into a cliche that applies to the series.
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>>156636211
When's the illegal vol. 2 epub download out?
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>>156648799
Embarassing my man
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>>156648147
Well what's his story
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>>156647834
Now that I think about it, I'm wrong about the "MC and the bad guys are the only capable people" one. Emperor JUSTiv has been such a fuck up lately that I forgot he is one of the most capable dudes in the setting.
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>>156648918
>>156648995
wew lads, atleast now I know I'm fucking retarded.
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>>156649158
It's ok, I never gave a shit about bingo until I need to learn it for shitposting purposes.
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>>156649029
Talese or Tullius is reincarnated.
> OP
He's has no combat ability except his team of physically and mentally modified super soldiers who are very strong due to his work with alchemy. He's not OP and the very most, he invents himself things that make him an impenetrable fortress but no combat.
> His objective
To become immortal and avoid the emptiness of death.
> Character development
Within this story, characters become tormented by paranoia or essentially become his puppet with some will but restricted to where they can only question him but not go against his orders.
> Characters die permanently
Depends on what you consider on reincarnation. He died in his old world, tormented with his soul shaving away and finally reborn in a new world. Characters can still die but there's no particular major death or if it even does happen, since the idea of moving on with death vs. selfish pursuit of desires really makes you wonder if the death you normally believe in stories to be appropriate in this sort of story.
> Worldbuilding.
It's meh, alchemy is still vague system in itself and still considered in its developmental stages. Medieval world but a system of slavery. Some ideas on economic status of the world but ok. Long story short, it's alright.
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>>156625317
None this shit again. Sabaru save points are random. There are characters which die permanently.
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>>156649621
I forgot, there was a major death in a way. His father died but his death was treated with apathy by mc but his brother, major character, to consider that one of the very things that made him pissed off against his brother and solidified his hatred.
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>>156650032
>Permanent death
This was very vague. The story left this as ambiguous as to whether it is parallel worlds or reset. If it's parallel worlds, then probably.
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>>156650222
He's talking about people like Lewes or Rem I assume.
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>>156650406
Rem had her existence erased rather than dead.
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>>156649030
Or Renner, there are several capable people. Problem is Nazericks power itself is beyond any sensible comprehension.
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>>156650524
I know, but there are dumb people who keep saying she's permanently dead or might as well be, and she has technically been out of commission for 3 arcs and several years. As far as actual permanent character deaths, maybe just Pete really? And you don't even know why you should've cared about that until later.
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>>156650524
Even then there is Elsa, Theresia (again), and a good portion of Sanctuary, Arlam Village and Pristella. But if there was a full list of all characters that died there'd also be Fourier and whatnot.
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>>156649621
>>156647407
I need more Dr Mengele main characters.
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>>156650799
Pristella yes, but Sanctuary and Arlam are fine. Nobody got anything up the ass.
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>>156650678
Its only been one year since her soul got eaten and Subaru killed himself anon.
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>>156650939
Realtime years, not in-story years.
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>>156648635
>re zero
>RPG mechanics
huh?
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Drifters is kino
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>>156648635
>Evil God should be ticked, the witch (unless she counts as demon king instead)
She's not anywhere near a god. The closest to 'god' might be Od Laguna, and that's probably not even sentient, and Reinhard is as strong or stronger than either. Nothing in the series is game-like at all.
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>>156627399
How big is a group of students?
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>>156625317
>No worldbuilding
>No character development
>Characters don't die permanently

All false, the only one that's arguably correct is waifus. But most of the time its just SUbaru having to deal with shit he got himself in when he got isekai'd and trying to find out why he got isekai'd in the first place.
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>>156627900
>MC has a unique and broken skill
Its not unique. It also isn't even a skill Subaru owns, Satella owns that skill.
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>>156651224
SHAMAC
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>>156651224
It is specifically unique, Al's works a little differently and has weird conditions and drawbacks. And it is pretty broken since it lets a retard claw his way through the giant pile of shit dumped on him, its just not infallibly so.
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>>156651384
That's a basic Yin spell, anyone who is a debuffer can use that. Beatrice could darken a entire forest with hers.
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>>156651384
What? That's baby tier magic, works on dogs, bitches and giant pussies only and he broke his magic asshole and literally can't use it after having done so all of like 3 times.
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>>156625317
>World Building: no (Incorrect)

I know this is bait, but what the fuck does this mean?
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>>156651384
You seem to be forgetting a cat cast it on him first to demonstrate it, so its by definition not unique. It completely failed the second time he used it because Julius can resist dumb shit like that so its not broken either.
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>>156647834
i didn't tick adventurers guild just because there where many guilds.
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>>156651573
shit i meant for this>>156626923
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>>156651573
Is that the one where MC isekai'd to Dark Soul anime edition?
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>>156625317
>Overlord
>No world building

What?
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>>156651718
Yep, i'd call it a buggy dark souls though, since the whole theme of it is that there's shitty game design and it's full of bugs
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>>156651902
Does it really count as "the most powerful in the world" if he is just rich as shit?
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>>156626923
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>>156651902
>>156651997
Also, Dantalian wasn't isekai'd by a kingdom or a god as far as we know.
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>>156651997
a demon lord is still a powerful being despite being at 71st place
>>156652048
might as well since the game review/devs itself brought him in, it would be a god's work for those beings in game
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>>156625317
How do you definine character developement?
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>>156630411
>>156627011
cant find nirvana anywhere online, was it removed as ordered by seven seas?
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>>156652145
Probably about the same why it defines 'acceptable' goals.
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>>156627165
By that logic Log Horizon and Re:Zero also have permanent death.
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>>156651902
>Evil God
What?

>RPG Mechanics
I always forget about that... It's been mentioned all of two times...

>isekai theme forgotten
Isn't Dantelion's knowledge of the game (and the fact the setting is a game) still somewhat relevant? Especially with how he dealt with Paimon.

>MC becomes one of the most powerful beings in the world in the first vol.
Isn't he physically only as strong as a regular human though?

>Demon King
I wonder if it even counts, seeing as there are fucking 72 of them.

>>156652048
I'd say that it still counts. "Mysterious being with god-like powers" and all.
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>>156652219
Re:Zero does have perma-death though
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>>156652219
well in re:zero anyone who died after WoE sets a checkpoint is permadeath, or anyone who subaru doesn't care enough to go back for too.
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>>156651997
It's hyperbole; all that matters is becoming ridiculously significant given the timeframe
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>>156652308
anyone who subaru cares about isn't really dead when they die though, unless WoE wants them gone like with Rem.
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>>156625317
>Grimgar
>No character development
Nice b8.
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>>156652346
i remember that novel, i dropped it after he entered the academy though.
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>>156652280
whoops, forget about the evil god mark. i am pretty sure dantalian went up against the gods but that was far into the webnovel. you can disregard that when we are basing it on the superior 3rd version
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>>156652308
Yeah, but it's not listed in the chart.
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>>156652280
he can still fit in with the powerful beings despite being weak as fuck ability wise but still being on an equal standing/footing with barbatos and paimon, for now that is.
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>>156652483
shit, wrong fucking thread, literally.
this was meant for another place and i got really distracted.
don't know who i made this mistake
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>>156625317
>everything in overlord literally the opposite
Sasuga
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we can never forget about Death March now can we
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>No Zero no Tsukaima
>No El Hazard
>No Isekai, the one with Isekai in the fucking title.
>No Now and Then
>No Tweeny Witches
>No Himiko, thankfully, it was bad
>No Orguss
>No Leda
>No Dunbine

Other world stories have been around for a long time.
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>>156640976
>>156628427
Scary Face

Jiiii~
___

Jiiii~
___
Naofumi always has this scary face on him
Must be the work of the Shield of Rage!!

He did use it a lot lately...!!

I wonder~
___
It feels like I'm always being watched, it's making me restless...
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>>156626923
please change the betrayal square to "main heroine out of reach" or "Noble Blood Heroine" or something
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>>156652474
The chart is shit
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>>156652695
you missed a couple there.
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>>156652773
make your own chart then. thats what i did.
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>>156630102
Humans travel back and forth, but cannot bring anything.
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>>156650939
Why would Subaru kill himself? He never even loved Rem
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>>156652817
Anon, he's talking about the OP chart.
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>>156652851
>He never even loved Rem
Oh boy, here we go.
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>>156652862
i know
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>>156652726
>>156652726
Good, i'll set off to typeset it now
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>>156630411
this alone makes me want to read it
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>>156652851
>im anime only
you don't need to tell us, anon.
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>>156652817
you've based this off Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo Dorei Majutsu didnt you?
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>>156652851
Subaru would strangle you for saying that he never loved or stopped loving his girlfriend
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>>156652774
The isekai thing isn't never dropped considering the story introduces many other isekai'd characters later on.
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i've been meaning to ask, getting a bingo means that series is shit? i'm glad ELCL isnt shit then
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>>156652975
no?
i based it off my most hated tropes to be honest.
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>>156653051
my sympathies to you who stomached reading series' with shitty smug elven assholes
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>>156653107
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>>156653031
take that away and it's still got bingo though.
>>156653107
i did base that off of maou to shoukan though
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>>156653044
It means it has a lot of cliches which doesn't really mean it has to be shit.
A series can have a generic premise but great execution or an original premise but shit execution.
The real problem with Isekai is that most stories have literally the same premise and execution with minor variations.
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>>156625317
Who got revived in Grimgar? Most of the character developed in that show revolved around a death.
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>>156653406
nigga read, it says perma death yes in grimgar
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>>156652851
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>>156625317
Where's Drifters?
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>>156652817
You forgot:

The church exists in that world and is evil
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>>156653574
fixed it, removed one because it was redundant.
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>>156636358
Isnt there a betreyal in the fourth vol?
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>>156653714
what happened in the 4th volume again? alcanretia or crimson magic clan?
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>>156652726
>>156652939
Thanks again anon!
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>>156653778
the second arc of the anime
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>>156653778
I read it before the anime aired so its been a while but theyre in blue's city
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>>156625317
You forgot Now and Then, Here and There with all green.
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>>156625317
Don't forget that Log Horizon respawning causes Alzheimer's, which is a pretty damn nasty consequence.
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>>156653658
i wish I could fit "Other adventurers are evil rapist thugs" somewhere.
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>>156653941
too bad, make your own bingo
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>>156648999
In a day or two
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>>156651008
Re:spawning fucktard
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>>156626923
>that barely readable english
When are we banning seaniggers for fuck sake
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>>156654047
Or you can make yours less shit next time.
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>>156654107
but there are no game mechanics.
respawning is controlled by the witch of envy and isn't a skill/game thing since he doesn't respawn at a set place or a savepoint determined by him. it also resets time so it's more like a timeloop.
>>156654154
no thx
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>>156654107
That's a spell dipshit, it resets fucking time.
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>>156654246
>>156654236
>>156654107
Last time we checked, it was never fully concluded by author. >>156650222
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>>156654396
How does what you linked provide any information at all? It reseting the timeline or it sending him somewhere else has literally no bearing on it being a spell the witch of envy is using.
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>>156652346
>Fell in Love with the Villainess
Name? Link? Searching that in NU doesn't help.
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>>156654396
it's never really known what happens
>>156654457
here's the information provided by the novel and how we know it.
echidna said this and it's been proven multiple times that it's satella doing this
>the witch of envy does it
>she controls the savepoints
subaru has no control over it and we know WoE is behind it.
>if subaru talks about it, satella will step in and fuck with him
satella/WoE has stepped in multiple times and even killed emilia and sometimes possesed her.
>they are mainly based around subaru and emilia
Rem didn't make it and the first loop was based around saving emilia.

that's all we really know, the multiple timelines thing is a posibility since we don't know the method by which subaru is reseting, he may be getting sent into other subarus in other timelines by abandoning his own timeline after dying.
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>>156625317
>tripfag
>Overlord
>No worldbuilding
Get the right fuck outta my face you dumb shit.
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>>156654679
>the first loop was based around saving emilia.
Isn't that speculative? Saving Emilia could have just been because Subaru was a dumbass who kept trying to save her, and dying, but was there anything to imply that was the Witch's plan other than Subaru coincidentally falling in love with Emilia and trying to save her?
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>>156636358
Missed Killed by a Truck-kun, Superior Japanese Baths and McFuck-a-Girl
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>>156655083
Tractor.
I don't remember superior japanese baths
Succubus dreams don't cont.
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>>156653850
>>156653864
ok
>>156653714
where is the betrayal there? hans ate the old timer who managers the hot spring source but thats not betrayal, wiz was a neutral party all along so she is not betrayal too
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>>156655144
To be fair, he died from shock from thinking he got hit by a bus, which was in reality a tractor, which was going REALLLLLY slow.
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>>156655369
I thought those guys were members of the cult.
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>>156655047
>making a thread without using a trip
how would I prevent people from pretending to be me then?
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>>156647834
I miss overlord threads.
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>>156658050
You don't matter.
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>>156625317
>Overlord
>characters die permanently
You can argue about all the other subjective shit but how can you forget about a major character getting resurrected in the final fucking episode?
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>>156625317
>.hack
>no world building

you wut m8?
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>>156625317
>SAO
>MC NOT OP
shit list
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>>156625734
Clearly this was made by anime-only fags.
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>>156659943
>MC overpowered: YES
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>>156659943
Anon, go check an eye-doctor.
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>>156625317
12 Kingdom was ahead of its time
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>>156626923
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>>156659220
sometimes I do. For example what if someone wanted to know where I found my image?
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>>156661116
You don't matter
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>>156659589
Because overshit is overrated by its fans, but they can't understand why everyone thinks it is overrated
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>>156651913
>i'd call it a buggy dark souls though
So regular Dark Souls then.
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youjo senki is good isekai

stayed mostly for tanya artwork though
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Revised version
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>>156647834
Without bait
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>>156651902
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>>156666907
The MC was an Otaku and he has has a whole bunch of girls on his dick so I'd say harem too.
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>>156653044
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>>156654109
Hey if you ban them how will you get those juicy WN Machine Translations?
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>>156625317
>bait thread gets 250 posts
so this is the power of modern /a/
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>>156626923
You left out Crop Rotations and JRPG Mechanics.
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>>156667050
I don't consider him an Otaku, he only was drag to video game at the end of his life because he was fucking sick of her crazy family and run the multi-million family company, he wasn't really a loser.
And he don't have a harem, he only has a relationship with Lapis, Laura is her crazy daughter and his relationship with Barbatos is strictly professional. Is implied that he will eventually end up just like his father but right now he does not have a harem
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>>156625317
>isekai in a nutshell
>humans are scum
>muh opressed elves and beastmen
>even though every chapter has a line about humans being inferior to every other race
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>>156667590
Humans are the master race. There's a reason why elves, dwarves, and beastmen are called subhumans.
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>>156667996
Demihumans.
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>>156669213
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>>156667314
In a 5x5 cell, one cant fit all the common themes of a isekai, look this >>156666125 and this >>156652817 and there are more common themes, probably in a 6x6 or 7x7 one can fits everything, easily i can add "Crop rotation", "MC is a Merciless Killer", "MC fuck prostitutes" or "MC male friend don't get a cute girlfriend because MC existence"
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>>156667525
Dungeon Defense is special in that it's written well so none of those things matter. Cliches are only bad if they stop you from enjoying the story, it's about the difference between Konosuba and Slayers.
We know they are fairly similar, but in the end it's how the troupes are handled and if you can relate to the character. LN stuff can be fun just because of an interesting premise, but I think once you get past a certain point you get tired of seeing cliches and go for better material, no matter what genre/medium.
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