Was he in the wrong for slaughtering his clan?

>>156620005
What's the point in spoilering that? Noone gives a shit about spoilers from ten years ago.

>>156620166
Not even a spoiler anyway, its all you know about him for the first few seasons

No, but he was in the wrong for not finishing the job.

Well yeah. If the system requires you to slaughter an entire clan, you go slaughter the system instead.

Ninja Jesus can do no wrong

>>156620005
Fuck off Narutard

>>156620005
of course he was wrong, family is first, always

>>156621797
So Itachi was a civic nationalist instead of an ethnic nationalist?

>>156620505
You only find out his name and that he killed the clan during the fight with Gaara.

"ITACHI CHOSE MEEE TO BE THE AVENGER!"

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>>156620005
why is he holding his arm up in such a weird way?

>>156621797
Even if your clan poses a threat to the stability of the world? The moment that Itachi joined the Anbu was the moment his primary obligation shifted from the Uchiha to the Hidden Leaf Village.

>>156622060
Yes, but the post that you're replying to makes it seem as though Konoha was at fault.

>>156620166
Spike dies

>>156621883
But his family and clan wanted to start a rebellion which would had ended with far more causalities and chaos.

everything would've been fine if finished the job and killed sasuke as well.

>>156622311
Part of the deal was that his brother sasuke will be spared to live.

He killed his clan for both the peace of the village and his brother safety.

>>156622151
It's not his arm. He usually has nails painted black and he did not wear those fingerless gloves.

>>156622217
probably, but is better than betray your family

>>156620005
He was my favorite character when he was a villain. When I learned that he was good all along I didn't know what to think, it made sense, but he was too good and suffered too much for the sake of everyone else. Based Itachi, the real ninja Jesus.
>>156622193
I almost cried when that happened.

>>156623773
Not that anon but the Uchiha shits were in the wrong.
You don't support your family if they're a bunch of backstabbing cunts who are genetically pre-disposed towards being fucking degenerates.

>>156620005

Obviously, even though the writers tried to Gary Stu their way around by portraying him as Ninja Jesus.

>>156620005
Everyone involved was in the wrong.

Danzo was in the wrong for pissing the Uchihas off and relocating them, effectively taking away their power as the Konoha police force.
The Uchihas were in the wrong for wanting to go to stage a coup because they couldn't be the police anymore (muh clan pride).
Itachi was in the wrong for fucking with Sasuke the way he did and trusting Sasuke to not fuck his keikaku up.

>>156622311
But Sasuke helped save the world in the end. If he was killed then the world would've ended

>>156620005
He should have forced his clan to enter a counselling session for being retardly murderous for no good reason.
Poisoned them so they can't use their abilities or weaken them so they will be obedient during that duration.

Killing should be reserved as the final option, not the first since Itachi isn't an American character.

>>156620005
>needlessly tortured Kakashi and Sasuke for 72 hours
>he was a good guy guys!

>>156624188
You've misunderstood this situation entirely. They were still the police force. The relocation and the acquisition of being the police force happened at the same time during Tobirama's reign.
They we're given the job so that they would meld into society better by channeling their genetic autism into something very distinctly "Konoha" rather than Uchiha.
They were moved out of the centre of the village because they are still Uchiha edgelords and genetic edgelords minus a few exceptions which Tobirama liked IE Kagami.

>>156624371
Danzo relocated them away from the center of the village after the the destruction of the village when Obito summoned Kurama and the 4th died. They were pushed to the outskirts and the hokage building was built in the center instead.

>>156624371
>>156624463
Also they were decommissioned as the police and replaced by ANBU

>>156624463
Tobirama moved them. He explicitly talks about it when Orochimaru revives him in chapter 619

>>156624585
I don't know what fanfiction shit you're reading but no-one knows what happened to the police but I seriously doubt they were like "Fuck it, let's just no longer have police now that the Uchiha are gone. All the criminals died with the Uchiha anyway."

ANBU aren't PO in any way. They're effectively the hand of the Hokage.

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>>156624946
Go watch the Itachi Shinden arc and get back to me, since you seem to be the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.

>>156625148
>anime shit of a novel
>the actual manga itself.

I wonder which one people should take as fact. Something written by Kishi himself or some third-hand shit who retroactively decided Fugaku had a Mangekyo that could control Kurama.

Which then adds to the fuckery that he just refused to actually use it during the crisis.

>>156625292
Naruto LNs are canon.

>>156625376
Not if they contradict canon they aren't.

>>156620005
No, it was stupidly obvious that was the direction they were going with Itachi ever since the fucking flashback in part 1:

>Sasuke says Itachi was a nice guy
>Don't see him for a while
>Other Uchiha come and confront Itachi
>Says he murdered Shunsui Uchiha
>Actually did... for some reason (Mangekyo Sharingan
>Only see Itachi and their dad confront once in an out of context scene
>NOW I MURDER THE FAMILY BECAUSE POTENTIAL

It's like Kishimoto was trying to pull a Nibiheim Flashback like in FF7 without even trying to hide to obvious jumps.

Bleach did this shit MUCH better with Turn Back the Pendulum because we got to see the actual multiple perspectives of the characters instead of giant leaps of logic.

>>156620005
No, in fact that was the one thing he did right. By far his biggest crime was sparing Sasuke's life.

>>156623773
So if you're born into an awful family of homocidal maniacs, you should just go with the flow rather than rise above them, because "m-muh family loyalty"?
The Uchiha clan were in the wrong and a danger to everyone around them. Being spared in the first war was far too merciful a treatment for them.

>>156624350
He single-handledly wiped out Ninja-ISIS, cut him some slack.

So how did that work anyway? Your entire clan can get killed preemptively before you actually commit the crime?

Also, how were they such a threat if a single person wiped them out?

Normally, I would say nothing justifies ethnocide.
However, Kishimoto wrote the Uchiha Clan literally as a bunch of people whose own genes made them born psychos.

Given that retarded writing, there's hardly any way to defend them.

>>156627139
You don't understand how much of a Gary Stu Itachi is. Plus he secretely had the help of a guy with completely bullshit, unfair eyehax powers.
AND it was entirely carried out via nighttime assassinations, nobody had a chance to fight back.

>>156627139
Two people. Tobi helped as well.

>>156627028
you can just leave if you don't like your family

>>156628163
I agree, that's what I'm saying, you shouldn't feel obligated to stand loyally beside your family even if they're horrible people.

>>156628473
but kill all of them, is clearly cross the line

>>156628582
They're genetically programmed to become psychopaths, and all of them were conspiring to overthrow the Leaf Village and kill the other clans.
No remorse.

>>156628582
>implying killing the Uchiha isn't the paragon option.

>>156626039
What the fuck are you even talking about? We already knew he killed his clan like hundreds of chapters before this flashback even started. It was never Kishimoto's intention not to make it obvious. He was just telling Sasuke's perspective about the whole thing.

>>156620005
How does a kid kill his entire clan?

>>156631062
element of surprise, pure talent, and a lot of practice

if one day my (hypothetical because i'm gonna be a permavirgin all my life) wife that I loved very much suddenly turned on me with killing intent, I would have trouble fighting her because part of me would want to believe that this is all some sick joke right up until she takes advantage of how distracted I was and kills me.

>>156620005
There was only one thing he did wrong and that was leaving Sasugay alive.

Would Sasuke have beaten Neji at the chuunin exams? How would Naruto have faired against Gaara?

>>156631062
The moment you look into his eyes you are paralyzed and then you die quietly.

>>156621843
>>156623912
>>156624144
Itachi Stu was more like THE Ninja God.
Naruto character is basicallly the Ninja Jesus though

>killed innocent children
>hailed as a hero

Are Itachi and Rock Lee the only based characters in this series?

>>156631931
Neji would probably win. Sasuke can't get past his defense. Naruto could just drop a frog on Gaara.

>>156635960
If he was really strong enough to kill them all there was surely a better option than that. Prison and/or talk no jutsu would've been fine.

>>156620005
No.

He should have killed Danzo though no idea why he left that asshole alive.

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>>156639535
>talk no jutsu
humans are fundamentally irrational, has tanya taught you nothing?

>>156640665
no matter what you say danzo had konoha's interests at heart.

it was obvious that the clan was going to rebel.

>>156631931
chuunin exams Sasuke didn't have much stuff to Neji, blocking 1 chakra point would stop his chakra cuz he doesn't have insane levels or a bijuu like Naruto and Neji's rotation would fuck up Sasuke's chidori.
Unless it's a life or death situation or there's something for Naruto to prove, he usually jobs.

>>156640665
Itachi probably thought that Danzo would be beneficial to keep around for the sake of the leaf village.

>>156640971
>konoha's interests

He only had his owns interest in mind.
His entire character is what happen when you give into fear.
There was even a flashback about it.

If Naruto and Sasuke fought at full health who would win?

>>156620005
Why is this guy always depicted with a huge cock in Naruto porn?

>>156620005
Yes, he should have killed Danzo instead, and everything would have been resolved.

>>156620005
>Was he in the wrong for slaughtering his shit clan
No if anything he was in the wrong for not finishing the job and letting the worst and "coolest" Uchiha fucking shit live.

>>156620005
Yes. You can't justify genocide. What he should have done was exposed the plans to the general populace and worked to overthrow the people who gave the order.

>>156622311
>everything would've been fine if finished the job and killed sasuke as well.

Obito was a much bigger danger to the world than Sasuke ever was.

>>156620005
of course

>>156620005
You can argue the morality of his actions all you want, but at the end of the day he saved countless lives so you can't really fault him, he did what was best for his country and the world in general.
I will however fault him for joining Akatsuki. For a supposed double agent, he did absolutely jackshit to hinder Akatsuki. He didn't share any of the intel he aquired with anyone, he didn't kill any members when he had the chance (he could have killed Orochimaru and easily claimed it was self-defense), he didn't sabotage any of the group's efforts and he executed all of his missions flawlessly, including helping capture multiple WMDs needed for Akatsuki's grand plan.
Seriously, the Uchiha Clan Massacre is the only thing he ever did that actually helped Konoha. "He was the true Hokage" my ass.

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>>156620005
>Itachi Slaughtered his clan

Wrong. Obito did 95% of the killing

>>156653220
>but at the end of the day he saved countless lives so you can't really fault him
That's not true at all

His actions indirectly contributed to the fourth ninja war by making Sasuke a psychopath who joined up with Obito. Sasuke brought the 8-tails to the Akatsuki.

>>156653272
I stopped watching Naruto a long time ago. I don't want this to be true.

>>156620005
He was a Cuck

>>156653477
>Sasuke brought the 8-tails to the Akatsuki.
And Itachi brought the 4-Tails to the Akatsuki while he was "undercover". Truly he was working in Konoha's best interests all along!

>>156653969
I think he only killed the police while Itachi killed everyone else in their sleep

>>156620005
he was the hero we did not deserve.

>>156631062
he was not alone. had help from the coolest guy.

>>156620005
No but itachi sure is in the wrong for mindfucking sasuke. He even admit that he is failure. There could have been other ways to motivate sasuke without mindfucking him.

>>156620005
His "if things are going wrong, just mindfuck people into doing what you want" plan completely fucked Sasuke.

>>156653272
Uh, I did remember it was Itachi who killed her gf .

He killed his mother and father because someone told him to


Remember the flashbacks of his power, how was she a villain? The way Kishimoto tried to paint him as an hero is fucking insulting. There is no way his actions made any fucking sense

>>156645248
They're equal and I'm not sure how long Kishimoto is going to have to keep mentioning it before it sinks into people's heads.

>>156644662
On one hand, he has the speed to actually keep up with Neji unlike Naruto who couldn't even touch him and he can just back off for a few seconds if Neji starts up the kaiten, on the other hand, he doesn't have a comeback option like Naruto does.

It's a tossup.

I don't know. I dropped Nurutu when everyone came back to life.

Everything was so fucking retarded. Orochimaru ded, Itachi suddenly good or some shit, Sasuke wanting revenge for getting revenge, his pointless team that never did anything, everyone having infinite chakra, art getting so shit that I couldn't even make out what was happening in some panels and so on...

>>156662211
>Sasuke wanting revenge for getting revenge

He wanted them dead because they organised the deaths of everyone he cared about.

>>156620005
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad. However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up. Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here. That being said, AB is really great, but Nyaa.eu and BakaBT are easier to get into.

piss off

>>156620005
Hitler would've done the same.

>>156662978
Hitler ate sugar.

Yeah itachi fucked up

>>156620005
Nah. The only good Uchiha is a dead one.
His only mistake was caring for his younger brother.

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>>156666423
Tobirama did nothing wrong.

Reminder that this was the best fight in the series

Nothing else can compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RTWlCHBxw

>>156620005
there was no right answer. every option was wrong.
the best thing would have been to bail and move to a different country

>>156622193
He didn't die, he just lie down to sleep.

>>156620005
Was Sasuke the only kid in the clan at the time? Or did Itachi slaughter a bunch of kids and babies too?

>Itachi makes his former senpai suffer for 3 days straight by stabbing him multiple times per second.

Why was he such an asshole? Why not explain the situation? I'm sure kakashi of all people would've understood.

>>156669157

His plan was to be a villain killed by Sasuke

So that Sasuke and the Uchiha would be seen as Heros of the Village

No one could know about the deal in case it got out and ruined everything

And he kept up the ruse through going nearly blind and dying of a sickness

And just couldn't keep it up at the last moment and give Sasuke another forehead poke as a gesture of affection

>>156620005
Ive been watching boruto and figured id go rewatch naruto
>episode one
I can avoid that, i know this shit
>2-30
>wave arc
Did it really go on this long before, skip
>chuunin exam
I think im good
>sasuke retrieval
Skip to their fight
>watch fight
>sasuke monologues about his childhood for like 3 episodes
>eventually see their fight
>filler shit
Im just gonna not?
>no episodes left
Time for shippuden

Feels bad man, i watched all of naruto part1 in 2 hours because of my memory

>>156669157
Because he's a terribly written character.

>>156668976

Kishimoto obviously didn't think of that, just like he didn't think about what happened to the tree people. But the Uchiha had a pretty big ghetto, it's unlikely that Sasuke was the only child.

On the other side, it doesn't fit Itachi at all to kill a bunch of kids and babies and forgive only his brother. I would go with a headcannon where Danzou killed the kids and blamed it on Itachi.

>>156620005

Yes. Naruto taught me that, sometimes, genocide is the solution. His clan wanted to start a war for stupid reasons and drag Konoha into chaos only because they liked to victimize themselves.

But he's also responsable for Sasuke growing up to be a piece of shit.

>>156620005
You mean abducting

>>156620005
He did nothing wrong

The First should have told everyone to fuck off and made Madara his Co-Kage or 2nd Hokage.

All of this could be avoided if had fucked Madara's boipussy