FMA 2003 >>>> FMA:B

>>156603909
how often did Dante use her as a sex toy?

Rewrite is still the best FMA opening imo, and I remember watching the original FMA when it was first airing. I fucking loved it, and I remember how huge it was as well. Then they announced Brotherhood and it basically revitalized FMA after the original, though Brotherhood follows the manga from start to finish.

Frankly I think FMA has a rustic charm to it, and it holds a special place in my heart. I think it really only resonates with people who watched the original FMA before Brotherhood was announced.

>>156603961
A lot, and Edward was retarded for chasing after a whore who didn't even give two shits about him. She was a filthy WHORE, and Edward deserved better. At least he ended up with Winry who is vastly superior to strawberry/chocolate ice cream bitch.

>>156603909
objectively wrong

>>156603939
It's called classics, not the "old shit". Well, at least 2003 one. BroHo was shit indeed

Which FMA series has the best music

Does 2003 even have any good eds?

>>156604027
Kesenai Tsumi is a pretty good ed IMO

>>156603909

FMA 2003 was gay and retarded. The series never should've even existed.

>>156603909
And the way you make this point is with the raped-into-silence version of Rose?

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2003 takes itself too seriously to comedic levels and has a hell of a lot less good animation, though perhaps its absolute highlights are superior

Brotherhood is an actual manga adaptation and has much more animation and often good animation at that but has much worse art direction

The manga is like Brotherhood with better aesthetic sense but less technical drawing skill

For example this is how Brotherhood adapted a panel, I hugely prefer Arakawa's more exaggerated expression even though she's not as technically competent as Bones animators

I think they're all well made but flawed

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>>156604179
Brotherhood looks good in motion but often not so good in stills

>>156604072
Well, there's no particular point in choosing this as an OP-pic, but i would say that the way FMA 2003 handled events at Liore and Rose's character in particular is far better than the Broho's take.

>>156604203
Isn't that the point of animation?

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>>156604203
2003 often looks GREAT in stills but has barely any motion
>>156604072
That's an example of 2003 being too up its own ass

Arakawa's FMA writing has serious moments but acknowledges that it's ultimately a fighting shonen, 2003 tries to be really deep and mature and dark and usually comes off as clumsy

>>156603909
>local girl not so smug after being raped

>>156604179
The manga panel looks like a comedic overreaction whilst the anime screenshot looks more sincerely dramatic. I can't remember what the hell the context is as to determine which one is better.

>>156603909
I sure want to fuck 2003 girls much harder than Brotherhood ones.

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>>156604230
Nah there are moments in FMA:B that look good in both. I think even smears, multiples, squash and stretch frames etc can look good in stills.

Also I wasn't talking about "detail loss" or anything like that as much as the art direction in Brotherhood, the colors look more washed out and I'm really not a fan of Ed's hair not having black outlines

Really I can only criticize Brotherhood visually because the story is from the manga.

Meanwhile 2003 did its own thing; it was alright when I first watched it when I was 13 and didn't know what they were doing, but after reading the manga and seeing how as early as episodes 1 and 2 they changed comical scenes to be serious angsty drama and shoehorned in scenes that had no purpose beyond making everything more dark and messed up, 2003 started rubbing me the wrong way a LOT

I still appreciate its art though

>>156604282
The manga had lots of cartoony art during serious moments though. So did Brotherhood in fact when certain animators were in charge https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/5339

I don't see exaggerated faces in serious scenes as a bad thing

2003>Manga>Brotherhood

True patrician order

>>156603909
I feel like they're both great shows and this arguing is stupid.
Brotherhood is the canon story and 2003 is a mostly well written (besides the ending) alternative story with the same characters.

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The way the 2003 anime handled Barry the Chopper is really unintentionally funny and shows how try-hard they were with the "make FMA mature and serious and gritty" thing

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>>156604419
same character lol

2003 version in general has much more depth to it, and the world in it feels way more real than in the Brotherhood, in which almost every problem can be solved with the power of FRIENDSHIP if you want it reeeeally hard. Especially at the end, when Broho stinks of typical battle-shounen so bad i almost dropped it. Hell, don't even want to remember the awfullness of last battle and final speech with Truth, that bullshit of "even if i lose my alchemy, i still has my friends - yeah, correct answer, you won, now take anything you want". Fuck, that was bad. Don't like the ending of 2003 either (don't even want to remember about the movie. There was no such thing as an FMA movie at all. It was a bad dream, that's all. Just a bad dream), but Broho's last arc reeked of shounen tropes so bad i could barely stand it. In contrary, 2003's ending may be dissatisfying, but at least it had a meaning beyond the "if i have friends, i can do anything" crap in the Brotherhood, and Dante was much greater antagonist than Father, who's just your typical villain with grand, but primitive goals and motives, and with no character at all.

>>156604419
>>156604444
Whatever happened to Barry the Chopper in his armour form in the 2003 version?

>>156603909
Edgy contrarian

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>>156604203
It depends on the episode.

>>156604852
Why is 2009 Ed so angry?

>>156604926
He doesn't look any more "angry" than manga Ed.

>>156604027
>Which FMA series has the best music
2003 obviously.

>Does 2003 even have any good eds?
Music wise? All of them, especially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARiSuMWYHVw

>>156603909
>tfw know someone who believes this
>probably just trolling but he says it every time he mentions fma which makes my eyes roll back in my head
Even flies don't have such shit taste and they literally eat shit

>>156604973
He has a larger frown.

>>156605041
At least he has a mouth. They went too far the other way with the original FMA.

>>156603909
Manga Rose is better because she is a pure virgin in that version.

>>156605015
>2003 obviously.
Anon please, Brotherhood has superior openings

>>156605098
Typical /a/. Doesn't care about plot or characterization, only cares for moe and superficial purity. At least, she and her tragic story (along with other things happened in Liore) was meaningful to the plot and character development of Ed in 2003 version, as that rape thing taught Ed what a scum structure he is working for (not that he didn't knew it before, but it was a good punch from reality to him) and make him realize he was partly in fault of what happened in Liore. And Liore citizens still willing to cling to the image of their pastor Cornello right after Ed had exposed his fraud was pretty ironic, considering that Ed had thought he saved the city, but in reality he just sped up its downfall.

>>156605269
A soundtrack is not consists solely of just OPs and EDs, y'know

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Say what you want about Brotherhood, but FMA 2003 will always have anime Hitler.

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>>156604027
Kesenai Tsumi is the GOAT FMA ED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISnbAGGTEdw

>>156605673
>Nina version
Those assholes knew what they were doing.

>>156604736
Scar killed him, I think.

>>156603909
I hope you weren't trying to be controversial there, because its a pretty spread and accepted opinion

>>156606332
Stop right there, criminal scum

>>156606332
Damn Lyra is thicc here

>Ops:
Melissa> Rewrite> Undo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ready steady Go

>Ends:
Tobira no Mukoue> Kesenai Tsumi> I Will> Motherland

>>156604419
Don't know what exact problem do you have with that scene and Barry from 2003 in general. It was nice how Barry showed Ed that he can be killed any moment by some random guy, and Ed's reaction of fear and the fact that he was crying tears after the accident is completely understandable given that he is a freaking HUMAN and he's just 12 years old at this point. Do you really think you wouldv'e reacted otherwise in front of a serial killer psychopath who's trying to slice you to pieces?

Up till this point, Ed thought that he's grown-up and strong, that he can handle the life of a military dog and carve his way up to his goals. But when push came to shove, he just sunk in primal fear like a normal human. He understood in that incident that he's still not that strong and capable as he thought of himself.

I think they're all equally great. The more interpretations the better.

>>156604419
And to add more, Barry from 2003 did not just end his storyline after that incident. He played a great role raising doubt in Al later, and that was not just a random sudden talk in the middle of a battle - he did that to give himself the advantage in battle by demoralizing his opponent. He knew what to say to hit the right spot because he was like that himself too - an empty armor, and he staked at the chance that Al already have doubts about his existence as a human. It still pisses me off how easily Al accepted this theory of him never existing as a human, but at least 2003 had an explanation of why Al had thought this way. In Broho that thoughts of him feeled too sudden and out of nowhere.

On the contrary, can't remember Broho's Barry being anything but bland joke of a character.

>>156606770
Infinite interpretations ruin good stories

>>156606892
Barry was the one who made Al doubt his existance in both Brotherhood and the manga too

>>156606892
God that whole arc about Al having an existential crisis fucking sucked. The only part of both anime I detest.

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>>156604179
>the newer adaptation had less originality thus its good

this is what a casualfag thinks everyone

>>156607236
Yeah, i missed on that. Probably should re-watch Broho to get my facts straight and compare more fair. All i remember now is that Al's doubts felt more out of place in Broho than in 2003

>>156607356
Agree, that existential crisis part went overboard and too far gone, it just didn't seem natural. Even though i understood why Al had his doubts and where does that came from, even though i understood that he is just merely a child, i wanted to slap him in the face a time or two. C'mon, even if you're a child, even if you have your doubts, that doesn't mean you just can believe every crazy theory like that so easily and start acting like a little bitch suddenly. A good 5 minutes of rational thinking would make you understand that hypothesis of you being created with fake memories is not that far likely being a truth than the classic hypothesis of a world being created a day ago.

>>156603909
Correct.

>>156607687
Changing shit works if you're doing better than the author

Golden Boy OVAs are better than the manga, I wouldn't say FMA 2003 is

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>>156603909
I never hear people talk about the soundtrack. Good music fits into the context of the story. Great music can tell the story almost by itself. FMA2003 had great music.

I have mixed feelings about the pacing. The manga's story was pretty chaotic early on, and the first half of FMA2003 did a great job turning that into something coherent where you feel like you're following the emotional development of the characters. Certain iconic plot threads (Nina, the "raining" line at the funeral) were handled with a subtle touch that Brotherhood lacked. The second half ruined it by taking random scenes from the manga chapters as they were coming out and smashing them together with a nonsensical plot they pulled out of their asses.

I mostly appreciate Brotherhood for going through with the whole story, which literally never happens anymore. The one standout moment that I still get chills just from thinking about was pic related. No idea how this was handled in the manga because I didn't get that far.

>>156609205
But in this case it's not "making it better than the author", it's "making it at all with the original manga still unfinished". And in this case the result, although a little more dark and pessimistic, was really good.
It's not like Gantz adaptation for example, which sucked completely

>>156606590
Whoever like Ready, Steady, Go deserves death.

>>156609205
>>156609473

Arakawa herself suggested that the 2003 anime should do things differently. She could've just told them what happens, but felt there was no point in telling the same story twice.

>>156609473
>Whoever like Ready, Steady, Go deserves death.

Whoever likes L'Arc-en-Ciel deserves death.

>>156603909
As a guy who often picks anime to watch based on the soundtrack composer, I have to say I enjoyed 2003 more.

The only advantage 2003 has is the stuff they actually adapted from the manga. You lose out on a lot of that if you only watch brotherhood and don't read the manga. Though early FMA is a bit rocky anyways, the point still stands.

Otherwise Brotherhood beats it in every single way. Openings, music, animation, sound, direction, writing, pacing. 100% direct upgrade.

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>>156604300
>I sure want to fuck 2003 girls much harder than Brotherhood ones.
And guys

>>156606332

UNF

>>156610980
Everyone wanted to fuck Envy.

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>>156611153
>envy
That's Wrath ya dingus.

>>156603909
HxH 99 > HxH 2011?

>>156611250
I know, everyone wanted to fuck Envy.

>>156604926
He is reading your bio

>>156603909
>instead of learning a valuable lesson, Rose is just violently raped into incoherence
>Envy gets no comeuppance for any of his actions
>Robo-Archer
>Kimblee just being a boring bomb autist

I dunno. 2003 had a lot of things I found weird even though I enjoyed it.

>>156604242
>2003 tries to be really deep and mature and dark and usually comes off as clumsy
I honestly prefer something that tries to be mature and fails (I think 2003 did it well enough) that something that never tries.

Brotherhood had far better fightning scenes though. The OST too was god-tier.
I think most people like the 2001 version only because it's the first they watched, had their release been switched everyone would be making fun of Dante and her story.

>>156604419
>a scene where Ed gets captured by a serial killer
>try-hard

Why cant we agree that both have good points and bad points? I like how 2003 expands the homunculi backstories more than how Brotherhood uses them just as cannon fodder. Especially lust was much worse in brohoof

Winry is shit.

>>156603909
Indeed.

>>156611724
The homunculus were fucking retarded in 2003 except for Lust. They turned them into generic angst fodder instead of sticking with the more poignant idea that Ed and Al sacrificed everything for absolutely nothing.

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Why Brotherhood is better

>>156609610
More like she didn't know what she was writing month to month.

>>156611724
For what it's worth, the author expressed regret over killing Lust so early. Which suggests maybe the series wasn't meant to be as long as it was.

Lust was the only homunculus I hated since they didn't care at all for her sin.

>>156611890
They got sick alchemy knowledge and circleless transmutation, it was a fair deal. Don't you go around saying the Truth rips people off, it's a lie

>>156611825
You shut your whore mouth.

>>156611981
And yet it's one of the most cohesive stories in battle shonen

>>156612011
It's a shame we never got to see Lust interact with any of the later Homunculi like Ling-Greed or Pride.

It's also kinda funny how Arakawa said in an interview that she likes making her female characters tittymonsters.

>>156611763
>>156611799
>2003 Ed stayed a manlet and didn't impregnate this body twice

Truly the worst timeline.

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What did she mean by this?

>>156612151
Arakawa likes titty monsters and old manly men. It's part of the reason Ed was the only traditional Shonen character and he was surrounded by ripped, burly dudes 90% of the time and his little brother became a burly manly armor.

>>156604926
His brow is just furrowed in concentration.

>>156612196
Maybe her butt hurts

>>156604926
He realized your thesis is full of crap and nonsense

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>>156612212
>side comic where Lust crushes walnuts with her massive cleavage

>>156612212
Mustang and Ling weren't burly, and they were pretty prominent. Most of the burly guys were just supporting characters really, Arakawa really didn't get too in your face with her fetish

>>156612136
No it isn't. The whole shift in atmosphere when they reach Briggs and suddenly it becomes a generic shounen where the bad guys are defeated one by one is a more abrupt change than Naruto's timeskip.

>>156609740
>Not liking GTO OP1
Fuck you.

>>156612357
I said 90% of the time my friend. Also Ling became one with Greed who's power was to turned into a ripped, black, burly dude.

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>>156612357
Arakawa's author avatar was actually Havoc instead of the cow.

>>156610684
>music, sound, direction, pacing
2003 literally did all of this objectively better

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>>156612365

They're an overrated, shitty band anon. It's a fact.

>>156612452
If you mean the exact opposite of this, yes.

>>156612452
>music, sound, direction, pacing
>2003 literally did all of this objectively better

Music in particular, anon. Oshima Michiru's score for 2003's FMA was god-tier.

>>156612480
>overrated
They are but that doesn't mean all their songs are shit, especially the old ones.

2003's writing fluctuated between good drama and bad fanfiction too much
It didn't age well either

>>156612528
You really have to clean your ears in you think BH soundtrack was better 2003.

>>156612596
If you mean the exact opposite of this, yes.

>>156611689

I'm pretty sure most people like 2003 because Hughes' death is more than just a footnote in the first 12 episodes, and is actually one of the anchoring points for the show as a whole.

Something brosufags hate to admit.

I liked the Shamballa movie fight me.

>>156612622
>Hughes' death is a footnote in Brotherhood
>the series where finding Hughes' killer is Mustang's primary or at least secondary motivation

>>156604852
Didn't they fuck up the age in FMA 2003? I remember him being like 12 until their first encounter with Scar, and then he suddenly aged to 15-16.

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>>156612528
>>156612617

>>156612629
my nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHcAKsk0mzY

>>156612707
Yet we don't care that much because we never see too much of Hughes in BH. It's the difference between knowing someone else friend was killed and knowing your friend was killed.

>>156603909
>the story has rape so it must be mature and intelligent

>>156611890
Envy was pretty smart, what are you about.

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>>156613003
That's correct, just like my books.

>>156611463
>Envy gets no comeuppance for any of his actions
Watch the film. Being envy is suffering.

>instead of learning a valuable lesson, Rose is just violently raped into incoherence
What else have you expected from a military show?

>Kimblee just being a boring bomb autist
He wasn't boring in his autism though.

>>156611463
>Kimblee just being a boring bomb autist
Honestly, I don't remember what happened with Kimblee in BH.

>>156613165
Got eaten by Pride as far as I remember, then fucked him up from the inside.

>>156613105
I always wondered what happened to her in the 2003 version. In the manga and Brotherhood, she gets a happily ever after ending with Ed. But in the 2003 version Ed was permanently part of the "real" world. Did she just hook up with Al or something since he was the closest she was going to get while Ed found the Winry equivalent in the other world?

>>156611463
>instead of learning a valuable lesson, Rose is just violently raped into incoherence
But she did learn a valuable lesson. That's why she was able to keep going even after what happened to her.

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Look at me, I'm Hiromu Arakawa. I created Fullmetal Alchemist, but unlike the writers of the 2003 series who had the presence of mind to foreshadowed that Lior would come back, I forgot all about the city. Then I got butthurt and decided to make up another country out of the blue knowing full well I couldn't compete with the idea of going back full circle like the awesome anime that puts my own writing to shame. So I thought what I'd do is I'd take a page from George Lucas and nosedive the storyline into the ground, and hope that my legion of sheeple I've accrued by proxy of my association to the brand, would develop a hive mentality and invest in the only extant vestigial of the story. If I can't win in terms of writing, I'll just win in terms of length. I can't lose because the advantage of time means my fans will grow while the old series' wanes. How can you possibly defeat me with my armada of brainwashed soldiers?

That's the thing about being a mangaka and striking a deal that sees your series spin-off into a multibillion dollar series you're not responsible for. After the studio gets the money they deserve, you just have to keep the rights to the name and tell someone that something doesn't fit within your author fidelity, and they will blindly leap into a fire for you no matter how bad your story is.

BWWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>156603909
>FMA 2003 >>>> FMA:B
Nah

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Both series are equally good for different reasons.

They're two sides of the same coin. The 2003 show was more grim in how it portrayed the world and the harshness of alchemy's misuse, while the mangahood had a more upbeat ending, but still showed that alchemy can bring just as much tragedy as it can good in the world.

Certainly, there are things both could have done better. 2k3 FMA could have used a more acceptable ending as many felt the whole parallel worlds thing was just too far-fetched, while the 2k9 series seriously could have used another 4-6 episodes in between the initial 12 to make their pacing not feel so comically abridged as they rushed to bring in Father and the Xing people. Beyond that, both are animated quite well, have tons of great music between them, and very talented actors portraying the characters.

>>156613696
Greed's original design was better, Greeling was just irritating to see

>>156603909
Having never not either of them, I guess I should start with Brotherhood first?

I just want to hear more Romi Park in my live

>>156613730
If that's what you feel, it's on you

>>156613678
>I forgot all about the city
Except she didn't.

>>156613541
In a special you see Ed's grandchildren, one of them looks like a little Winry.

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Defend this

>>156613076
Ivan, stahp it

>>156613839
PARALLEL WORLDS was even worse than this. Not that Brotherhood's "the God is some sketchy dude sitting in a white room" is much better, but at least Arakawa didn't try too hard with that.

>>156613718
>Both series are equally good for different reasons. They're two sides of the same coin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soprpWQN6Bo

Brotherhood wouldn't even be popular if it weren't for 2003. It wouldn't have held up on its own without the first anime's popularity. You know she followed the original anime's airing very closely, right? There's no way she was not influenced >>156613678

In a way 2003 is the actual canon. Brotherhood/manga could be argued to be derivative.

>>156613839
Impossible. That was just flat out stupid. I'd have been fine if various parts of him were missing and got replaced with automail, but he was literally cut finely down the center and somehow restored. As magical as alchemy got in both series, nothing was ever as outlandish as this guy. Not even Izumi's missing babymaker and other guts.

>>156613870
Dostoevsky is edgy drama done right, unlike 2003.

>>156613812
Yeah she mentions again at one point, but that's it. She never intended to make it have a role before the anime or there would have been a hint.

>>156613903
That's a load of bull. The anime was made because the manga was insanely popular. Would it have been able to go for so long without an anime if the 2003 show hadn't been done? Probably not.

And Arakawa already had the ending and other things planned out, she just wanted to take her time to get to those points.

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>>156613541
>Ed found the Winry equivalent in the other world?

That's what the ending implied I think. Considering his grandchildren were literally clones of himself, Al and Winry, I assume he found her counterpart.

As sappy and feel good as the manga/brotherhood ending may be, I prefer that any day over the confusing clusterfuck that was 03.

>>156613935
>dostoyevsky
>edgy
That's called "smart".

>>156613968
She shows it at least three times before Ed and Al hear about the civil war there and return to it. Hell, it's where Envy is introduced.

>she never intended to make have a role before the anime
Based on what?

>>156613935
>edgy

you need to go back

>>156614004
I just ignore the movie and OVA and figure Ed just spent his days pioneering flight and rocketry in our world.

>>156614002
She had the bullshit Father, Hoenheim and the flask story planned out. Nothing else. Her series was popular because of the novel idea of alchemy she tapped. Most of the things FMA is recognized for are exclusive to the original anime. She even made Al be able to do alchemy starting in as early as Volume 8. LITERALLY right after the anime spins off. There is no way there was not some compromise on her part to follow with ideas the anime directors suggested until a certain point.

She didn't know what she was doing or where the story was going. I doubt the idea of Amestris, and surrounding country was even solidified until Ling and the girl with the Panda showed up. That's how weak her writing was.

>>156614090
Back to the past?

>>156614168
>She didn't know what she was doing or where the story was going
Based on what? Who says she didn't have most of these things planned out herself? Hell, it was both her decision and the 2003 director's wish to have that series be more of its own thing. What's to say she didn't give some cliffnotes about things she intended to have happen and the director adapted them, but changed stuff around to fit the mechanics of his adaption?

You're not giving any evidence that her writing was weak whatsoever.

>>156614168
>Her series was popular because of the novel idea of alchemy she tapped.
And not because the series were well-written. Sure. You're terrible at explainations.

>Most of the things FMA is recognized for are exclusive to the original anime.
Like what? Frank Archer? Or the stocked thief girl?

>She didn't know what she was doing or where the story was going. I doubt the idea of Amestris, and surrounding country was even solidified until Ling and the girl with the Panda showed up. That's how weak her writing was.
Her writing was weak because of your doubts? That's an idiotic bit of reasoning here. You should probably be ashamed of your brain.

>>156614327
So?

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>>156614363
So what?

>>156614294

Bleach is popular too.
FMA manga/Brotherhood is garbage shounen, if you are a 12 year old boy or manchild you will love it same as every other garbage cliche shounen.

FMA 03 actually has some kind of depth.

>>156614388
Exactly. So what? Is it irritating you or something?

>>156612707

It's Mustang's motivation to uncover the truth about Hughes' death. But the actual incident is just a footnote in the story, if I remember right it doesn't even cap off the episode.

It's because of 2003 that you see anyone give a shit about cosplaying Hughes, for example.

>>156614419
>TL note: "depth" means "rape"

>>156614419
Well, that's not an argument, it's you expressing your feelings. It's great that you can do so, but we're not at a tea party. Who cares about your feelings?

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>>156614452

>>156613678
Lior was one of the 5 points that made the country wide transmutation circle

did you actually watch Brotherhood, or did you just see some episodes when it was running on tv?

>>156614419
>FMA 03 actually has some kind of depth.

Oh please. I'm not going to sit here and say the original story was amazing, but I'd take that over the try hard bullshit that was the 2003 version. 03 did some things better, but to say it had any sort of actually depth is retarded.

>>156614585
>actually trying when you are writing a story
heh,,,what kind of nerd does that?

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>>156614627

>>156613903
>In a way 2003 is the actual canon

No it isn't. You can dislike it all you want but the manga is the canon story of FMA at the end of the day.

>Brotherhood wouldn't even be popular if it weren't for 2003. It wouldn't have held up on its own without the first anime's popularity. You know she followed the original anime's airing very closely, right? There's no way she was not influenced

And this is completely out of your ass. Give me one source that claims this other than your headcanon,

>>156614278
I know she didn't plan it because of how the Homunculi are so vaguely characterized. You don't know anything about them until Greed is finally captured and even then all you learn is they come from the purged vices of some clone of Ed's dad, who is collecting alchemist's for a Promised Day. You couldn't come up with a more generic master plan. Not to mention he's still evil and greedy even after making the Homunculi.

>>156614294
Things exclusive to 2003:
The presumed rarity of chimeras, the Philosopher's Stone in Ed's watch thing, the other Brother's Elric, the Marcoh arc and his off-screen death, Sloth and the part where Al says he thought he saw mom, Mustang's development in Flame vs Fullmetal, Lust's story, Greed being Dante's jilted ex-lover adding a sense of intrigue to that part as well as leading to his fight with Ed (nobody remembers the manga fight for instance even though that also happened in 2003), the way Ed and Al find out about Hughes' death AFTER Mustang has left in S2, Riza and Winry connecting because of their history with Mustang. Etc.

In keeping with what I said above, Arakawa's parts are the most generic. Fifth Laboratory was good, but even then I think the "If I'm to beat a serial killer I'll have to think like one" was exclusive to the 2003 anime for instance. And I don't like how Greed just is there in the manga, and the Father hadn't done anything about him. It makes sense Dante entombed him for hundreds of years, which makes me feel like the anime directors wrote that part.

>>156614585

Scar was the only guy that I enjoyed a lot more in the original. Though the more I rewatch it, the more I like him more in Brotherhood. Obviously pre-Rush Valley was rushed because we had already seen it.

>>156603909
Brotherhood would have been perfect if it brought back Bratja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMHhrSrPOI

These threads remind me why I'm glad I like moeshit and I don't even need to bother pretending I like it for any reason other than it has cute girls doing cute things.

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>>156614431
You're the one sounding bothered if a random image gets to you so much.

>>156614769
Death of author. I don't have to accept something as canon it doesn't fit with the intended meaning of the story. In this case, the anime came first and she rewrote parts of it, and added to them, what have you. At that point it isn't just her work, and even if by devil's advocate, it was, the anime has a different canon altogether anyways, and can be argued to be the true one, regardless of whether she is the original author of the idea.

Like Star Wars would be a lot more popular than it is, if it were only good. At which point arguments arise as to whether Lightsabers having weight is canon or not. Seldom is that discussed because the series is so bad nobody cares to pay attention anymore. Same thing with what she did.

>>156614969
>Things exclusive to 2003:
Yeah, everyone here knows that 2003 and the manga have different plots. And?

>"If I'm to beat a serial killer I'll have to think like one" was exclusive to the 2003 anime for instance
Good. It sounds retarded.

>In keeping with what I said above, Arakawa's parts are the most generic. Fifth Laboratory was good, but even then I think the "If I'm to beat a serial killer I'll have to think like one" was exclusive to the 2003 anime for instance. And I don't like how Greed just is there in the manga, and the Father hadn't done anything about him. It makes sense Dante entombed him for hundreds of years, which makes me feel like the anime directors wrote that part.
Well, I don't care what you think. I don't really care about your opinion either. Do you have any good arguments, except for your feelings and opinions?

>>156615130
Keep on projecting

>>156614969
>You couldn't come up with a more generic master plan.
Dante's plan was a lot more generic
>I want to live forever.

As for the homunculi, her lack of characterization for some of them does not mean she didn't plan a lot of things, she just didn't think to flesh them all out. Even then, not like the 2003 show was innocent of shallow depth for them. Gluttony got fuckall in that series as he did in the mangahood.

Also, Flame vs Fullmetal was an omake from the manga, not an anime exclusive. The fake Elrics was from a novel, and the chimera were still pretty rare in both shows, just that the humanoid ones who could shapeshift became more prominent in the manga vs the traditional fusion of animals seen before in both.

>>156614990
>these threads make me glad that I forfeited any semblance of self-identity a long time ago so I don't have to think about complex argumentum that hurt my brain.

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>>156615317
Not projecting at all. You're the one who got bothered and asked a random question for no reason.

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>>156610980
>>156611153
>>156611250
>>156611365

Wrath was definitely sexually abused by Envy.

>>156615354
You've the one who posted here, weirdo

>>156615328
>implying self-identity has anything to do with liking fun

2003's ending is just so stupid and bad that even the most by the books shonen shit is downright preferable to it.

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03 should have just gone full edge and have Winry raped and impregnated instead of Rose.

>>156611463
>Robo-Archer
Looked awesome aside from the half metal face.

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>>156615386
Yea, and yet you're the one who got bothered by the image.

>>156603909
It looks like someone overlayed Ed's head on her face

>>156615290
>Hey, why do you think this.
>opponent posts articulate counterpoints
>WELL DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BESIDES OBSERVATIONS THAT CAN BE DERIVED FROM THE FIVE SENSES? YOUR COUNTERPOINTS ARe RETARDED IN MY OPINION!

As expected of Brotherhood bros.

>>156615322
Dante and Hoenheim had a reason to create the Philosopher's Stone because of the Black Death. It being a One Ring that leads people down the path of suffering was the effect of that knowledge, more than the cause. Father just wanted to live forever on top of the stupidity I already listed.

>>156615606
Father wanted to grow beyond his confines. It had nothing to do with immortality, it had to do with him desiring to become more than what he was, but failing to realize that humans achieve a lot of their greatness despite living short, fragile lives. Even with the plaque reasoning, Dante barely does anything to reflect that she's a victim of corruption and just comes off as a generic "I want to live forever" villain.

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Martel was clearly waifu material in 2003.

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>>156615803
She was great in both versions. Rocked a fine titty game, and had a pretty cute ass as well.

Shame Bradly had to wreck it both times.

I remember loving FMA way back in the day but I never kept up with Brotherhood.

>>156615606
Father already had imortality, it's not very hard to understand Father's character when they always kept bringing up him wanting to leave the flask and him asking Hohenheim if he didn't want to be free, not sure how you can't understand it

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>>156616029
If you read the manga, then not much point to seeing Brotherhood other than seeing some of the fights animated and enjoying the music. Still enjoyed both, but I can get how some people are satisfied having just watched one but not the other.

>>156616029
I dropped it when it was ongoing and only finished it recently, it was worth it.

>>156616130
>Al fucked the asian loli

what an absolute madmen

>>156615792
You can say the same exact thing about Dante. What's more she actually plays a role in personifying the inefficacy of Equivalent Exchange, forcing Ed to prove her and Hoenheim both wrong (which connotes the reason Hoenheim left to begin with, whcih the manga never explained), that the law is unfinished but that faith and hard work doesn't go unrewarded. The entire crux of their journey.

>>156616029
Good. Don't start.

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>>156616251
Bitch was hungry for Elric cock, and after realizing Ed wasn't what she hoped, she took the only available substitution.

>that doujin where Al makes her dirty talk before fucking

>>156606892
Existential crisis was just a fucking pun on Al = Aru = to exist in Japanese.

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>>156616284
The manga did explain why Hoenheim left.

And Father shows that equivalent exchange is bull as well by flaunting how as long as you got massive stone power, you can do whatever you please and only need more if the price is higher.

>>156603909
>>156603909
I preferred Brotherhood more, but there were certain aspects I like about 2003. There were a few characters that I preferred over Brotherhood. 2003 Envy and Lust were more developed as characters, with Envy being more threatening, vengeful, and deadly. While Lust struggled with her desire to be human, despite her existence being superior to humanity in almost every single way.

Dante was a more interesting villain. A talented, long-lived, parasitical alchemist forced to struggle in life after being abandoned by her lover, eventually convincing herself she is above humanity, acquired illusions of grandeur, and suffering from egomania due to her Hero-Worship of Hohenheim. Basically, the villain of the story was a loony fan and student of a regretful older teacher with a god-complex that seduced her, but she was the only one who refuses to realize how heinous their crimes were.

Finally, the tone of FMA 2003 just felt more natural. Brotherhood's ending, although I liked it, just didn't fit with the overall tone of FMA. The 2003 version was bittersweet, from beginning, even until the end of the OVA that takes place far into the future, involving Ed's grandchildren. Brotherhood had an overall bittersweet tone throughout the series, except for the ending.

>>156609740
>disliking blurry eyes

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>>156607356
It felt alright in the mangahood because it got resolved right as it started, at least with the rift it caused with Ed and Al. It was still a nice touch that Barry's reflection on soul separation while finding his body played a part later on with Al's seal starting to weaken.

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>>156604027
>Does 2003 even have any good eds?

Bruh, it has the best ED of both series. Which is saying a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUIUYQQ4NTw

I also like this English version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG0pR2MaeX4

>>156615606
>OBSERVATIONS THAT CAN BE DERIVED FROM THE FIVE SENSES?
You don't know how reasoning works, do you? It's not enough to nake an observation and a concllussion. They have to be connected in some valid way.

>All these people talking about EDs
>No Lost Heaven

It's like you're not even trying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoUiWYWzYI4

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>>156616440
>Brotherhood had an overall bittersweet tone throughout the series, except for the ending.
Kind of the point though, everyone had overcome the strife caused by the villains and could now heal. It's why I said back in >>156613718 that both shows feel like two sides of the same coin.

2k3 ends with a more bleak outlook on the hard work amounting to a satisfying shift in one's life; while the manga/2k9 series show things becoming more positive as everyone works to improve their country.

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>>156611904
Ed must have coated her in more semen than the amounts of oil she's probably spilt on her in her career as an engineer.

>>156614004
that was so retarded

>>156616588
Anyone got a webm of the bit where the camera rotates around while she's in the shorts?

>>156616769
Agreed. As wishy-washy as one can say of the mangahood ending, at least Ed didn't conveniently find a girl who looked like Winry and end up with perfect clone grandchildren that resemble him, his brother, and childhood gf.

>>156604062
You're gay and retarded.

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>>156616865
Damn Riza was a sexy bitch. Then again, so were all of the military chicks.

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>>156614987
This, so much. Every time I recommend Brotherhood to someone I have to tell them to check out Bratja from the original as well.

Ironic that the music track "Brothers" is absent from "Brotherhood"...

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>>156616997
So true. I can get that anime rarely like to reuse songs from previous iterations, but the song would have fit so damn well for Brotherhood.

>>156616588
>not this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISnbAGGTEdw

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One thing that did confuse me is Sheska vanishing from the series in the manga and brotherhood. She helps out with Mustang quite a bit, then just disappears with no mention around the time Ross gets arrested. And while she did get to tagalong with Winry in the 2003 show, it did feel like she was just a sidekick to Winry rather than getting her own spotlight.

>>156616284
>which connotes the reason Hoenheim left to begin with, which the manga never explained

okay now I'm certain you never actually read the manga or watched Brotherhood, Hohenheim left because he found out what Father was doing so he left to do his own country wide transmutation that could conter Father's

>>156617423
Why are you continuing to feed the incompetent troll?

Does anyone else get the feeling that the manga/BH ending is ever so slightly rushed? I feel like the conclusion Ed reached in his final transmutation made sense given what he had learned so far, but he still had to make a tiny jump to it.

I always felt that there was going to be some sort of arc where them learning about alkahestry would play a key role, but that it was scrapped. They pretty much say "we need to go learn about alkahestry to see if it can get our bodies back and help us fight" and then the ending just comes crashing in before they do.

I still like the ending a whole lot, but that has just bothered me.

>>156617469
s-sorry

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>>156617519
>Ed probably makes Winry dress up in her older clothes despite them not fitting as well as before

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>>156617572
What sort of jump? He based the idea on what Al had just done to restore his arm.

As for the alkahestry, yea, that bit did kind of get dropped, though Al had found out that while being similar to alchemy, it was mostly just a medical practice that didn't have quite the same properties for change like alchemy.

>>156617715
The jump I'm referring to is his conclusion that "the door" is "his door". The story covers most of the line of reasoning when they dig up their transmutation and learn that the price they paid was purely for the truth, but it's still a little bit of a leap to assume that you can trade knowledge back.

It's only a small complaint, and I'm honestly impressed at how well the story as a whole leads into the ending. It makes the dead ends even feel meaningful.

>>156617361
>anime directors create Sheska and Pininya, and Hiromu incorporates them into the story. After the 25 episode deal they stop telling her what they're doing with the story. In a blind rage, Arakawa writes them both out of the story, but swallows her pride and brings back Paninya to set up the big set piece where Ed defeats Lin-Mei.

That's probably how it happened.

>>156617423
Author only came up with that idea 2 years after watching the anime's return to Liore arc.

>>156617572
>>156617715
I feel like the entire thing was rushed, but the author was ripping off Rurouni Kenshin Legend of Kyoto arc, which is all about rushing around to stop this guy, get that object/technique, talk to so and so.

>>156618354
Pretty sure Ed realized which door was his when he crossed through with Ling and Envy and saw Al's body with his door. As for the return, like I said, he based it off what Al had just done to restore his arm.

>>156618447
>but the author was ripping off Rurouni Kenshin Legend of Kyoto arc, which is all about rushing around to stop this guy, get that object/technique, talk to so and so.

Hardly. You could make that argument about any series where the heroes have to rush and stop the villain from completing their objective.

Also the anime didn't create Sheska and Piniya, they were in the manga first.

>>156614419
Troll detected

>>156618543
If you watch Kenshin you'll start to see the similarities between them. Aoshi is Mustang in more than just appearance but his entire going off the rails into revenge and Kenshin/Ed having to talk him out of it. The manga Homunculi are bummed off the Juppangtana mixed by twos (eg. Envy is the tranny and the bat guy). Fu is the old man. Fan-Fan is Misao. Kimblee is Shishio before he was burnt (he's like a bad version of Ed, and is a nemesis to two righteous bastions who look like wolves and use OHKO's). Mad scientist that is thrown in at the end is Hoji and the Babidi-looking guy. Wrath is almost killed by a trap where his eyesight is blocked by someone's body, while another attacks, like how Kenshin almost dies when Shishio suicides by stabbing him through Yumi Sorry to ruin it for you.

I recently watched Brotherhood again after not watching anime for years. Did anything noteworthy come out after Brotherhood ended?

>>156619612
That's seriously stretching things a lot, man. Seriously, that's fine if you don't like the story, but to makes these leaps of logic to compare the two is just flat out silly.

>>156619612
>The manga Homunculi are bummed off the Juppangtana mixed by twos
I don't really find that to be convincing at all. I mean I can't even say that I just don't agree with it, it's just a poorly conceived thought.

I liked 2003, but lets face it, the end of the anime was pretty bad. Also I didnt like how things resolved so easily in the manga and brotherhood. I think Arakawa wanted to finish the story fast because of her editor.

However, the brotherhood adaptation cant beat the 03 OST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP36VNWcpyU&list=PL27F22BD22A7F3599&index=71

You knew shit just got real when you heard this.

Also, even when the movie was bad (again because time and poorly worked script), I liked how the movie ended, with both brothers living thier lives together.

Ignore the OVAs. Its just fan fic tier.

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Don't mind me. Just posting best girl.

>>156619942
At this point I can't tell if the guy is serious or just spouting nonsense without any proof to back it up.

>>156620111
fit

>>156619720
Are you seriously telling me you don't see the Aoshi/Mustang similarity? A guy that looks like Tuxedo Mask who is also a commander of some military force, opposed by an unarmed protagonist impeding indirect resolution for his fallen friend(s), is a pretty specific plotline.

>>156619942
>>156620127
I'm not going to spoonfeed you what's already obvious.

>>156620732
Actually I made that sound more arbitrary than it is, but the point stands. He wants to kill Kenshin/Ed who refuse to draw arms, in order to avenge someone.

>>156620732
>I'm not going to spoonfeed you what's already obvious.
Because what's "obvious" is just flat out bullshit. You're making huge leaps of logic to justify your claims that Arakawa is unoriginal and can't come up with her own stuff. These "similarities" of yours as stretched out as some nutty conspiracy theory.

I have to agree. I even prefer the ending.

>>156619983
fuck off, brotherhood ost is miles better than 2003.
Take your fucking nostalgia glasses on.

>>156616440
>OVA that takes place far into the future, involving Ed's grandchildren
What? I thought Shamballa was the final official ending?

Rose was hotter than Winry.

I get why she was raped.

>>156621251
It's an OVA.

I absolutely stunned. I know /a/ is can be a contrarian hell hole sometimes but the overwhelming support on other sites for FMAB made no sense to me. Rated #1 on unnamed normalfag website? Why?

What made the manga originally special was that, unlike many other shonen who's theme is shallow and uninteresting to explore, FMA had a great theme that could really mean something to the reader. FMA '03 actually followed through with the theme all the way to it's controversial end while the original and FMAB both opted to solve their complex issues by fighting bad guys.

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>>156616588
>Winry and her dog get an entire ED to themselves
What does it mean?

>>156621468
Both series ended with a bad guy being fought though.

>>156621450
Why are her nips orange?

>>156610684
Brotherhood's greatest weakness is that it was made after FMA 2003. They heavily compressed the first 1-2 arcs because those parts had been covered faithfully in the 2003 show. Without that, they might have made FMA:B (just FMA in this hypothetical) a half dozen episodes longer and it would have been fine from beginning to end.

>>156615357
Wrath had a fucking awful life.

>>156604536
I think Brotherhood had more fleshed out and more steampunk-fantasy-like world with Xerxes, the Xing Empire and everything, while the 2003 had it's plotline basically ending in our alternate universe. I appreciate both concepts, especially when they showed the beer concept in Conqueror of Shamballa or the "invention" of Tanks in brotherhood. It's a while ago since I saw them, though.

>>156621468
The alchemy theme was never that evolved in the manga. Only in 2003. There's no allegorical underpinnings. Only 2003. There's no transcendental message once they get off the island about the unity of life as One and One in All, which is central to hermeticism. Only 2003. No moral about karma illustrated by their false sense of hope at finally discovering the stone. Only 2003. No closure to the axiom of Equivalency not being fair from a mortal perspective. Only 2003.

Arakawa deserves all the credit she's due for the idea and characters though.

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I miss Nazi Al

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>>156605673
He's the featured article today.
>abilities: Orality
>goals: Exterminate the Jews and gypsies

>>156621970
What theme? What underpinnings did it need? The manga and brotherhood handled it just fine, even better in some ways as the rules remained the same. 2003 had a guy literally get cut in half, losing the side with his HEART and somehow surviving long enough to be turned into a cyborg.

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>>156611763
>>156611799
>>156611904
>>156616762
UNF

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>>156622144

https://exhentai.org/g/485279/ef63ba41c0/

Enjoy.

>>156603909
>Look at me i'm being a contrarian newfag for (You)'s and no one can stop me

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>>156621691
I was actually thinking about that the other day whilst re-watching 2003.

He is so chronically under-rated as a character it makes me a little sad. Given his circumstances you'd think people would get the way he acts like he does.

>stillborn
>resurrected as a baby-zombie in a heat of passion by mother
>sacrificed to an eternity in the gate
>Manages to use limbs of Ed to finally escape the gate
>stranded on island essentially living as a caveman
>Re-discovered by humanity and everyone but your mother hates you
>Captured by military and subject to tests and torture
>mind-fucked by Envy
>Bullied and abused by everyone as the 'runt of the pack' of the homunculi save for sloth
>Has his adopted mother murdered before his eyes (partly his own fault)
>Half his body gets chemical burns
>Essentially ostracised by his only companions
>Torn limb-from-limb by Dante
>Goes through automail surgery
>mother dies of illness and suffers severe depression
>Teams up with the brother of the person who killed his maternal figure
>Gets eaten alive by Gluttony
>...
>All this whilst the only thing he wanted was a mother to love him

Only thing I never really understood was why he wanted Eds body so much. I guess it's down to Envy indoctrinating him.

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>>156622355
>Ed probably got dragged to Rush Valley to pound her ass while she took a break
>She could drum up schematics while taking said pounding, too

>>156622401
>Dugtrio is now (part) Steel type in the new games
I swear to god humans are actually 40k orks.

>>156622188
Ed and Al on a quest to restore their bodies is like an allegory of reaching Heaven but learning that reaching it goes against the way you thought was right. The song "Rewrite" might be interpreted like that. It renders the meaning moot if both of them succeed in the manner they sought to.

And cyborg Archer was ONE plotline that lasted all of 20 minutes altogether if that. I hate to stoop to negative analogies but at least it wasn't a clone army like Brotherhood. He got cut in half and lived because of Shao Tucker's research into chimeras would suit the medical nuances of preserving half a specimen.

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>>156621267
Rose was shit. Every other girl in the series beats her out easily. I have no idea why such a heavy emphasis was placed on her for 03.

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>>156622442
I believe it was so he'd feel "completed" or whatever. Could have been a weird twist on phantom limb syndrome where Ed's arm and leg were making him want the whole package deal.

Op is a faggot

>>156622567
And yet nothing about Tucker played a role in Archer surviving that. And while the doll army didn't do much in the grand scheme of things, it was fitting as it was meant to be next step in the military to have an unstoppable force.

As for the allegories, even if one looks to them like that, the lack of such in the manga and brotherhood hardly makes it less enjoyable and fun.

>>156622567
>at least it wasn't a clone army like Brotherhood.
A clone army with transplanted souls makes total sense that a military nation like Amestris would have jumped at. They were a necessary evil that is basically the end result of the corruption of the military, and it turning on them was exactly the parallel needed when compared to Mustang's more steadfast family team. Purely quality over quantity.

>>156622499
Is that because of the weird evolution power in the newest games?

>>156622600
Perhaps. He does mention that "incomplete body" line in the episode he is indoctrinated by Envy. But the same thought I have with Wrath is the same one I had with Greed, they've essentially got perfect bodies that can regenerate at will. Also probably has something to do with ingesting the philosophers stones but at that point it's just headcanon.

>>156622775
Plus, they were hardly a clone army when there was no person to be based on. If anything, they were more like a golem army or whatever, being entirely artificial, or scrapped together. They never quite said how those things were made I think, just created to be expendable and undying.

>>156622807
Nah, that's regional variants. Alola has a lot of old mons with new designs/typings and movesets. It's a bit refreshing, though not as much as B+W's pure restart.

>>156622829
Still always wondered how he got Ed's limbs, or where he was in the blackness of the gate for that matter. Obviously, he didn't have the mind to travel between the worlds, but it's hard to imagine something that was once human living inside the gate along with whatever the blackness was.

>>156603909

NEVER

FMA 2003 is tryhard edgy fanfic garbage

FMA:B is a tragic opera masterpiece, the absolute pinnacle of the shounen genre

>>156622919
But then how are they steel if they're not the least bit metally or robotic?

>>156622702
TUCKER IS THE GUY WHO SAVED HIM DID YOU EVEN WACTH 2003 jkSDBHBLFJ. AND YOUR DOLL ARMY EXCUSE IS JUST CIRCULAR LOGIC.

>>156622775
>MUH INTERPRETATION!

Literally nothing in the story implied it was anything more than a last minute shoe-in of the Owls from Rurouni Kenshin. Nevermind the contradiction that what Greed was after all along was being mass-produced right around the corner.

>>156623061
Iron ore in the ground. Designwise they just have metal hair, but come on, we've seen flimsier justifications on 'mons before.

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf8hLlg85zA

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>thief
>nurse
>nun
>teacher
Best girl.

the whole "giving up alchemy allows you to take back whatever the fuck you want" thingy was kinda wack but Hohenheim died either way, just like he would've died if he had been sacrificed only in that case Ed wouldn't have lost his alchemy

so I don't see why people always say FMA had an ending too happy, it was neither the worst case scenario or the best case scenario, it was a solid ending

>>156623077
Typing caps isn't going to help your case, anon. And it's not circular logic explaining how the doll army worked. They were also nothing like Greed whatsoever.

>>156623077
>Nevermind the contradiction that what Greed was after all along was being mass-produced right around the corner.
How the fuck is that a contradiction? Ling was there for immortality, in a place where immortality was the ultimate step in alchemy. Amestris having regeneration within reach is not a contradiction, it's a justification.

>nothing in the story implied it was anything more than
Except for the guy activating them basically treating himself as their leader/creator and them turning on him. A functional immortal army is the only thing that a nation so built on alchemy and war would even care about monopolizing.

>>156603909
Contrarians, please leave.

>>156623212
It made sense though, as it was just returning what had been given. In Al's case, he gave himself back to the gate and thus restored Ed's arm, while Ed gave up his knowledge to regain Al. You could argue all day how the math with that, though it was made clear that the gates were a pretty big deal when opened by someone who made it back to earth and not get trapped in the void forever.

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>>156623171
Fuuuck I haven't seen this in years. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

>>156623017
A lot of the science in 2003 is left unexplained and slightly inconsistent. Ed's limbs were taken by the gate in equivalent exchange but I guess Wrath took them for himself whilst inside their? From the looks of the anime he became one amongst those "gate children" (pic related, notice difference in eye colour). I guess the fact that he was a failed transmutation allowed him to take Ed's limbs, something the other gate children couldn't do.

>>156623185
All the filler was pretty bad but the adaptation was excellent.

>>156623315
>>156623284
The real Greed. The canon one. Not Ling.

And of course the Owl clones were an army. I'm just saying there is no way they should exist and were thrown in at the last second to be filler and add a sense of tension.

>>156603909
Was the Chimera scene more moving in the anime? In the manga it felt as laughable as that little girl getting killed in Devilman

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>>156623401
That's the only thing I could guess myself as well.

>>156623506
I'll never know anymore as Adult Swim ruined it with their April Fools prank where it was played to the sounds of a guy pooping diarrhea.

>>156623436
What about Greed? Nothing about him or the Doll army were similar. And so what if they weren't hinted at 50 chapters before? Sometimes you have things added for a surprise, and them just chilling between a bulk of chapters would have made their activation not nearly as exciting.

>>156623394
yeah I understood the point, I just think that probably should've ended when he talked about how being an alchemist doesn't change the fact he's just human and alchemy doesn't solve everything as he brings up Nina, instead of ending it with "I'll still have my friends"

it was a talk with basically God, that shit didn't really fit well for me I guess

>>156623506
You mean Nina? It's still just as sad in the manga given there's plenty of time to be attached to her. It's Brotherhood where they rushed and could have used another episode before Tucker pulled another fusion with his kin.

>>156623644
Well he was explaining how he'll do fine with just being another plebian human instead of a borderline god who can turn a field into a radical skatepark if he wanted to.

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>>156623643
Greed was after a method of transferring his soul into another body, thereby achieving true immortality. If he knew about the clone army, he would never have gone through the trouble of capturing Al. He'd just have beaten the evil scientists Arakawa made up at the last moment for the information or forced him to transfer him into something.

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Regardless of which series, there is one thing that will always be true. Hawkeye was and forever will be best girl.

>>156623872
Except we don't know when the Doll army began manufacturing, may have well after the original Greed had left to be his own man, which was stated to be at least a century before the series begins. As for the scientist, it was probably that gold-toothed guy, and he was introduced way before the dolls were.

>>156623763
Why though? The first anime already gave it the best possible treatment it could've had, I think it was wise of them to just move on.

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>>156623903
All the girls were love. Riza was the badass chick who could hold her own. Winry is the childhood sweetheart. Sheska was the mousy bookworm you wanted to fondle. Izumi was the token milf, as was Trisha. And so on.

>>156624014
It was still a bit rushed, as were a lot of the chapters episodes 2-12 adapted. They even skipped over the Yule town thing, which made Yoki's inclusion feel almost tacked on as he gives the rundown on Ed outsmarting him. Sure, it would have been retreading what the 2003 show had done, but it was kind of necessary given audiences hadn't seen those events for 6 years, not to mention there were numerous differences in some of the events that had played out. Like Yoki having no alchemist bodyguard.

>>156623872
>made up at the last moment
Someone wasn't paying attention during Wrath's backstory if you think those scientists came out of nowhere.

And of course Greed wouldn't have done that if he knew. The whole fucking point of Greed was that he took on the most of Father next to Pride, up to and including his "fuck you dad" nature that Father held towards God/Truth. Greed wants because he doesn't have, he learns because he doesn't know, and even he has a change of heart in the end.

>>156624014
Not that guy, but Nina was a crucial part of their development that they carried to the end, so it should have had better treatment if it was still going to have that gravitas. Brotherhood needed to skip past what we were already familiar with, though, and that's what ruined that.

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>>156623903
>roy and riza will never get together due to military law
>even if he rises to the top the first thing he's going to do is put himself on trial for war crimes effectively cockblocking himself

What a shame. They are literally made for each other.

>FMA 2003 >>>> FMA:B

Tell me something new, please.

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Honestly, Ed should have yielded to his mother complex and fucked Sloth instead of killing her.

>>156624222
>but it was kind of necessary given audiences hadn't seen those events for 6 years
To be fair, Yorki being a side-show that the main characters forgot made it that much funnier, and even he gets a moment for himself in the end by smashing into Pride. That was kind of the best part of Brotherhood, that everyone gave support and each little input counted. It was a pretty obvious counterpoint to how Father was literally gobbling up souls to use as power while everyone else contributed what they had that made them unique to aid the effort.

>>156624266
Only if Greed had regained his memories. Before that, he was pretty loyal to Father, albeit with some attitude compared to the other homunculi. Even then, who knows if he'd want their kind of body, he wanted something that couldn't be hurt and would never age/run out of power. It's why he contemplated taking "God" for a while during the final battle before just taking out his dad by weakening his body.

>>156624266
>Brotherhood needed to skip past what we were already familiar with, though, and that's what ruined that.
Only the Nina part though, and as you said we were already familiar with it.

>>156623436
>The real Greed. The canon one. Not Ling.
What the fuck are you even saying?

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>>156603909
I like the original story more but 2003 is good too, especially Mustang.
His roastings are satisfying

>>156616403
It's been a while since I watched FMA but wasn't the whole point of the stones to do crazy shit because it's made out of people's souls or whatever?

>>156624382
Maybe, but he was far more critical to story than he was in the 2003 series where they sort of followed what he does before Gluttony and Lust kill him. Even then, it was a shame seeing Yule get axed because it was where May entered Amestris, learned of the good that Ed had done, and even went back to when she thought about going home. As it was in the anime version, she just happens into the town and it doesn't carry as much weight.

>>156624438

Hughes was the one that needed the development. They kill him so quick in Brotherhood that you would probably feel nothing if you didn't watch the original.

>>156624382

That very reason is why I love the Chimera so much, especially Heinkel. They were useful mother fuckers. It didn't just turn into the main character show like so many others.

>>156603983
Aryan pusay

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>>156624612
I felt he got a decent bit of development, but it certainly would have been nicer if they kept the train hijacking where Ed and Al originally met him. At least he got to be fatherly with the boys in the premiere episode, which was still nice as that was one of the key points of his impact on them.

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>>156624673
The Chimera were great. I just though they were going to be monster of the week type enemies, but they ended up becoming bros. Heinkel taking out Kimblee was great.

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>>156624673
Kind of wish they had let him die. While it was awesome how he fucked up Kimblee and helped save the others when fighting Bradly's "brothers", it would have made his gifting of the stone to Al more impactful, and add another casualty to the hero's side of the skirmish.

>>156603909
Truth.

I think 2003 went a bit overboard with its characterization of the homonculi and lost sight of the sin motif. Brotherhood/Manga might leave a few of them pretty much untouched, but they all pretty much nailed the essence of the sin.

Sloth is a great example of this.

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>>156611799
I don't think Winry is supposed to be particularly attractive. It's one of the things I liked about her. She's just the childhood love interest who actually wins.

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>>156624929
Depends. In some ways it was cool having them be the failed human transmuations. But what was the problem was that only Envy, Wrath, Sloth, and Lust got any real development.

Gluttony got fuckall, with the mangahood not treating him much better. Pride (Bradly) just gets a footnote about "a homunculus who ages". And Greed is just some boytoy Dante resurrected and then buried for not playing nice.

Meanwhile, mangahood gave its Greed, Pride, and Wrath some decent depth, but did little for its Lust, Gluttony, and Sloth incarnations. Envy did get a bit characterization, but it's definitely debatable how it compares to the "abandoned son" motivation he had in the first anime.

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>>156624929
The Homunculi never were about the sin. That's just a nickname for them. Even in the manga, there's two Greeds. Brohood just has these empty deus exes that don't feel like players in the story, in part because of the plot armor, and part because they don't have character.

>>156625220
>Even in the manga, there's two Greeds
At two different times. And a few of them were players in the story, such as Greed and Wrath.

>>156624962

My favorite fight of the series.

>>156624830

Yeah, Fu and Buccaneer being the only real casualties was a little soft. Hoenheim and Greed were big ones though.

Dat Bradley in Brotherhood though

>>156623171
man this brings me back, haven't watched adult swim in awhile do they still do these?

2003 didn't follow the manga at all. It was so bad that i couldn't even finish it.

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>>156625380
All four were big, but that was the thing, they were the only major casualties amongst the nameless soldiers under Armstrong and Mustang's groups. Granted, I guess it was because everyone did sort of die for a few minutes when Father ate God that we didn't see more named characters bite the big one.

>>156625219
I think mangahood Greed/Ling is more interesting than anything 2003 had, but that's just my opinion.

>>156625220
I don't agree with a single word you said. At all.

Several of them were underutilized either because of getting tossed aside too early or showing up too late, but the sin is actually highly highly important, and I would say that even the underdeveloped ones have a lot of finesse in understanding the root of the sins.

>>156625614
Well that's the thing, Greed in the 2003 anime didn't really have much to him beyond being a pivotal moment for Ed as he was the second person Ed kills, and the first that he killed intentionally.

As for the importance of the sin and their names, it was a bit looser in the first series. Their existence was the sin, while their name only reflected the sin in a small way. Anime-Wrath was furious about his situation, though in some ways more Envious as he desired Ed's whole body. Envy likewise was a bit more Wrathful given his hate-boner for Hoenheim.

Sloth in that series was definitely kind of the odd man out, since she was pretty damn proactive in Dante's plans. And Bradly-Pride didn't really act all that smug about his status as a homunculus.

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FMA:B Dub > Sub

>>156625807
You can't trick me. Even when dubs have solid main casts, the second I hear a side character I want to gouge my ears out.

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>>156625807
>those outtakes from the final dvd
>Hoenheim screaming "FUCK 'IM UPPPPP!!"
>Al saying "Fuck yea, stew!"

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>>156611763
>>156611799
Shame they dropped bringing the games over after the second PS2 RPG boomed. Of course, I'd have loved to see a game with a mix of open world elements (like sprawling towns to explore), but also a more refined alchemy system so you could manipulate the environment in all kinds of ways. Of course, this would need some limitation so Ed and Al weren't OP as fuck. Plus, it would have awesome to maybe have some "what if?" scenarios that could change the story.

>>156625929
Chimaeras huh?
AW SHIT!

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>>156626434
>What's your real name?
>My name? Fuck you!

>>156626503
I've always thought that a decent number of those bloopers would've actually have worked better than what ended up in the final cut.

>>156624723
>it certainly would have been nicer if they kept the train hijacking where Ed and Al originally met him.
They didn¡t keep it because, in the manga, Hughes isn't on that train at all. Brotherhood actually gave him a bit more spotlight before his death, while a good deal of his manga screentime is posthumous (the Ishbal War arc, which Brotherhood condensed into two episodes and some scattered scenes here and there).

>>156624830
Scar could've died too, him crawling to the transmutation circle with a good inner monologue would've been pretty sweet