How do you honestly feel about yuribaiting in anime?

Boring.

This gif didn't make me want to watch the show, but everyone saying it made them watch the show and end up disappointed did.

>>156582224
It's not a bad series but it wouldn't be my first rec to a /u/fag.

I love subtext and think "yuribait" is a retarded term.

>>156580876
yomi

>>156582887
I don't think gay series are immune to having authors that don't do more than tease though

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How do you feel about yuri dorks?

>>156580876
I'm extremely tired of bait shit and I want actual series with good plot with legit homo relationships.

>>156580876

It disgusts me as much as male faggotry.

>>156580876
subtext sucks. I'd rather it just go all the way.

>>156583160
>>156583537
Degenerates.

>>156580876
it makes my wiener hard

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>>156583072
This was a pretty good show. Soundtrack was good too.

>>156580876
But this wasn't bait.

Yuri baiting is fine.

But can we all agree yuri dorks are absolutely fucking retarded?

What ever happened to alpha dykes like >>156580876?

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>>156582887
Yuribait is something that does exist, but gets thrown around far too much. Including, but not limited to being used by idiots to refer to subtext.

>>156582887
>>156583537
Subtext and bait are different things. Yuribait is using a couple of scenes to pretend the anime or manga will have yuri, but the series won't deliver and in the end one or both girls are confirmed straight. Subtext is something that is not directly shown but is infered indirectly, something that is subtext is by definition canon, but something that is only subtly hinted and is not supported by enough evidence is not subtext (which is the case for many of the pairings some people wrongly call subtext couples).

>>156580876

Garbage. Save us Mike Pence.

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>>156584668
>Yuri baiting is fine.
No.

>But can we all agree yuri dorks are absolutely fucking retarded?
No.

>>156584734
I don't think most people are following your distinction

>>156580876
yomi ;_;

I'm just tired of the shitty "turbo dyke x dense clueless protagonist" archetype they pull every time now.

It's a perfect concept to yuri bait, you're free to shove as much lesbo fanservice into the show thanks to the dyke nerd while having eternal plausible deniability thanks to the dense MC. It working so well is precisely what is so disgusting about it. That, and dense characters are always infuriating no matter where or what gender they are.

Thankfully we had AOTY Flip Flappers that avoided this cancer.

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When's the last time we had real yuri?

>>156585272
Yuribait isn't really yuri and by definition it never delivers.
Subtext is just something that is not explicitly stated or shown on screen, but is still part of the story and canon.

>>156585492
Cross Ange and Valkyrie Drive

>>156585492
Strawberry Panic.

>>156585272
>not many people use the actual definitions of the terms
What?

>>156585580
Neither of those are real yuri, they are fetish pandering. Not the same thing.

>>156585653
VD was yuri despite excessive ecchi.

>>156585492
Zestria

>>156585492
FAG

>>156585653
Are you retarded

>>156585736
Nah, it's just something for people who like two girls together acting sexual together. For lack of a better non-tumblr word, "male gaze". It's porn, not yuri romance.

>>156585835
No, but you are.

>>156585895
>It's porn, not yuri romance.

You almost got it right.
Here >It's porn not romance but it's still yuri.

>>156585970
Nope, it's just porn. Fetish pandering is not yuri.

>>156585895
>It's porn, not yuri romance.
>If a story has anything sexual, it can't be taken seriously

I haven't watched VD, but how do you differentiate between porn and regular sexual expression which just happens to take place as a part of the story?

>>156586060
>but how do you differentiate between porn and regular sexual expression which just happens to take place as a part of the story?
When that same story doesn't have sex as a plot device. Also, when that story doesn't have pseudo faceless man gang rape scenes.

>>156585492
That new 7 Sins anime

HORNY

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>>156585492
Why do Yayas always lose?

>>156586017
"Fetish pandering", while shit, is still yuri. Yuri refers both romance and porn. Just look at pixiv; everything girl-girl related is tagged as yuri.

>>156586582
Pixiv is not anything to go by, as they don't have strict tagging enforcement. A lot of the time you find futa tagged as yuri.

Yuri is somewhat of a catch-all phrase. But the point is the guy asked when the last real yuri anime was, and fetish pandering isn't real yuri in the sense it's a story, it's just there for people to jerk off to.

>>156586709
>isn't real yuri in the sense it's a story
dont get me wrong, VD is trash, but the main characters are explicitly gay. Remove the fanservice, and (what little) you have left is still two gay girls loving each other

>>156586860
Nah, you have two girls just fucking around and sleeping with different people and being sexual with nearly everything around them. The end game is even threesome shit. It's pure fetish, not love. Therefore, it's not a "yuri" story, it is a porn story.

>>156585492
Last season in 2 shows.

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>>156586582
I find they have less of these stupid divisions in general when it comes to girls being gay

>>156587268
How is it stupid to separate porn fetish pandering from the actual genre?

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>>156580876
It's cute.

>>156585895
>Nah, it's just something for people who like two girls together acting sexual together. For lack of a better non-tumblr word, "male gaze". It's porn, not yuri romance.
That's ridiculous.
That's like saying softer, less male-focused yuri isn't yuri because it's not explicit enough. And I'm saying that as someone who actually doesn't really care for VD and prefers the soft shit.

Yuri is girls liking girls. You can't say something isn't yuri just because you don't like it.

It ruined Hibike in multiple ways

>Kumiko and reina scenes filled with yuri baiting
>season 2 elevates Reina's childish crush on Taki to extreme cocklust

Whoever wrote that garbage should be shot

>>156587548
You can't call it yuri when it's just fetish pandering.
It's not yuri because the focus of the story is not girls like girls, but "how can we make the male viewer's dicks as erect as possible".

>>156587795
You are so frustrating. Yuri aimed at males doesn't stop it from being yuri.

>>156587917
Most yuri is aimed at males regardless.
Like I already said, the point here is that the focus story isn't girls loving girls, it's girls being sexual for the sake of arousing the watcher. Would you call two girls making out before they fuck some dude in a threesome yuri?

>>156587795
You're absolutely conflating a story's focus with an author's intention for a story. The focus of the story -- what the audience sees without prodding at the fourth wall -- will still be girls in love with girls.

But even if we stepped behind the fourth wall, what if the author's fetish is hand holding? Or blushing? And does that mean if there are scenes in a story that cause an erection in readers, it not only has nothing to do with yuri, but PRECLUDES it from being yuri in the first place?

>>156587917
>yuri anime is aimed at males
>western media with lesbians aimed at females
What happened?

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>>156588042
>what the audience sees without prodding at the fourth wall -- will still be girls in love with girls.
Leaving aside your try hard misuse of em dashes, what people will see is blatant sexual pandering. By your logic, the ad here is about about cologne, not sex.

This is quite literally a case of missing the forest for the trees. Sexual pandering IS the point of the story, and that's not breaking the fourth wall, as the sex is part of the story.

>what if the author's fetish is
Not inherently sexual.

>ack trying to force his definition of what is yuri and what isn't

>>156587457
>Brigadoon
Oh boy does that bring back good memories.

>>156588549
Really, can you not start this.
The other posts are on topic, yours are not.
You are breaking the rules.

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I still enjoyed Hibike but I won't pretend that the queerbaiting didn't hurt it in the long run to some degree. They either needed to go through with it or not make the ReiMiko scenes so goddamn romantic.

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>>156589598
Hibike honestly felt like a special case. On Reina's side, it was maximum queerbaiting, but it looks Kumiko at least actually turned out gay. In the anime, at least, of course.

Of course it's still frustrating either way, since it still feels like the closeness between Reina and Kumiko in the first season didn't mean much more than nothing to the both of them.

>>156580876
sauce pls

>>156590628
Lurk for 2 years before posting.

>>156589598
>>156590517
Hibike would've been a great coming of age yuri story if Kyoani really wanted it to be.

Even with keeping the whole Reina is actually into Taki sensei thing.

>>156580876
It's needs a little dose of volt.

>>156587795
It's not the yuri genre, but it's still yuri.

>>156580876

Pls stop it nips.

Either make them gay and consummate the implication or don't do it (unless it's specifically there to imply the character is in the closet and not just bait). The heavy use of 'token gay side character the MC keeps pushing away' became a problem. The character never got developed, gets endlessly denied (multiple times over a series) and almost always as joke.

Then it's expanded to half the cast having a crush, but not doing anything about it. So it's in limbo if they ever really are gay or not.

Bait is bad, have then pursue a relationship or have them be denied in a serious tone, so that the joke isn't endlessly repeated.

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>>156593304
>the yuri genre
Is yaoi a genre? Is het?

>>156594045
Technically, it's BL now.

>homos
[x] kill them all

>>156587457
threemilk?

>>156580876
Instantly drop. I think writers wasting time on yuribaiting rather than doing something honestly interesting just shows the anime is pandering trash and the writer don't know what the fuck they are doing.

>>156580876
>kissing and crotch grinding
>just bait

>>156589598
>>156590517
whatever happened at the end of S2? Did it go full /u/? Full hetero? Pussy out with open end?

>>156580876
You go all the way or you don't go. It's that simple.

>>156596184
Ever actually watch the show?
They're both straight and have boyfriends.

>>156596989
The non-Yomi girl whose name I don't remember only gets a boyfriend in the manga.

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>>156596989
>They're both straight and have boyfriends.

>>156597095
No one ever remembers Kagura.
And it's the same series. Plus, Kagura supports Yomi's relationship with her boy friend, and does so with enthusiasm.

>>156597273
Well you said "show" instead of "series" so you were wrong.

>>156597323
Trying to nit pick semantics is unbecoming.
Plus, show can refer to and told story with images as well, so it can be the manga.

>>156585653
The two things are not mutually exclusive. If yuri is defined by girls loving other girls then H-manga and doujins can be considered yuri too, and as a matter of fact they are.
I agree that girls making out for the sake of it don't make a story yuri, but there's at least a canon loving couple in VD, so there's at least that.

I thought yurifags didn't like it when anime pick the full blown yuri end, which is why many series only limit themselves to subtext, so why are there so many posters going against it in this thread?

>>156597675
You added exactly nothing new to the argument, why even make this post?

>>156596284
Shuuichi gave Kumiko a hairpin as her birthday gift, and that's it.
I'm sorry for /u/ but all the KumiRei teasing was just literal yuribait.

It's stupid.

If you're not going to make actual yuri happen in the show, then don't fucking bother.

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This about sums up my feelings. I don't go looking for yuri, but if it's going to be there, it better all be there.

>>156598288
Bizarrely, I started to like seeing Kumiko more with Asuka by the end. I wonder if that was by design since Reina had become a fucking creepy stalker.

>>156598589
Reina was super cute in the last two episodes though.

>>156598344
This, I'm so tired of this "yuri undertones" shit

>>156580876
Half-assed shit is stupid. Either whole-ass it or don't even bother. I'm not expecting to see clit-bumping onscreen, but if you can't even have a line acknowledging that a pair of girls are lovers, then don't put any romantic undertones.

>>156597905
People complaining about subtext aren't actual yuri fans. They probably want to avoid it.

>>156580876
I like seeing disappointment in the people who expect it to go the way they want.

>>156580876
Was the actual Ga-Rei manga any good?

>>156593982
now who's pathetic
not the harem lead that no one likes

>>156596184
>falling face first into pantsu
>just bait

>>156599714
no

>>156580876
I don't like it when they mess around with my expectations. If there's bait, there should be at least some small pay off.

>>156580876
Its fine. SoL with yuribait is my favorite genre of anime.

>>156580876
Yomi ;_;

>>156580876
Yuribait's just a pain. You know it's never going to go anywhere and is usually only there for pandering and it makes the threads for the show intolerable.

>>156582887
Nah. It is a perfect term.

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I like it in school textbooks.

>>156580876
I like it because I casually enjoy yuri, and it makes the real yurifags mad.

>>156598432
This reminds me of that demolition D video where he has a fake rant about yuri undertones while previewing a show

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How do you feel about lesbians?

>>156598432
is this an edit?

>>156580876
Yomi ;_;
Thanks for getting me into anime outside casual shit.

>>156585611
It has no correct definition. It is a meme word made up here. For me, bait is the "Yuri" that exists in shows and manga not advertised as such by the publisher, and the one where they try to literally banish male characters even though the girls are shown to have dads and male family members.

>>156585492
Some hentai Ova

>>156600518
But, that's not yuri bait, it's because the yuri is there.
Do you understand what the term bait means?
It's just a compound word, it doesn't have some special meaning.

>>156599714
It was a textbook case of bad writing.

The author tried to add not-Yomi in the final arc, but that didn't help with the rating.

>>156600301
Do you remember the video?

>>156580876
it's unironically one of my favorite anime and has virtually nothing to do with it being gay

>>156580876
Fine as long as it's for comedy.

I find them forcing vapid het romance at every turn much more insulting.

>>156580876
Not really much of a big deal. Certainly not a problem for Ga-Rei Zero.

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>there are people on /a/ RIGHT NOW that haven't watched YRYR

>>156580876
It's great. Almost as good as actual yuri.

I love it
It's the purest form of love

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>>156600259
>assume Anon is just exaggerating

>he's not

>>156580876
The worst. Lowest of the low.

>>156580876
It's shit.

It's worse than panty shots.

Mind you, panty shots can be pretty bad. They generally require some absurd situations and/or complete obliviousness of the character at specific points. However, you could reasonably still have a character which nearly any personality and still flash some panties. With yuribait, it relies on the actions taken by the characters so you are relying on them behaving in a certain way. It does require overriding the personality of a character in order to work, which means it can be far worse to the story and a character's consistency when it shows up.

You can still have female characters who are just interested in other females, and have that be a part of their character, but that's not yuribaiting. Yuribait is when they take some random characters and "put them in yuri situations" for fanservice purposes.

>>156580876
I wish there were more anime like this where suddenly there were lesbians even though the show was primarily about something else

>>156580876
Garbage. Either go all the way or don't have it at all.

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>>156585492
Sins

>>156580876
Yuribaiting is fine when one of the girls are female(male) and there is no homosexual degeneratism involved.

>>156600259
Translate it, weebs

It's annoying, but I find it even more annoying when people complain about "yuribaiting" in shows like Love Lab, which never had any hints or undertones of yuri to begin with.

>>156607176
Degenerate is a /pol/meme, and everyone knows it

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>>156583160
There is not such a thing as "bait", you can clearly see how the anime is even before is released.

If you see something that is obviously about cute girls being the best friends and trying their best you know there is not going to be actual yuri on it.

There is no bait there, you are getting the wrong idea on your own and hoping for something that it obviously isn't.

>>156586136
>>156607071
I know I can't say "that's not yuri" because technically it is, but honestly I don't consider this kind of show yuri.

It has more in common with to love ru and other service shows than to yuri shows. That is soft porn aimed to heterosexual, if you watch that looking for female-female relationships you are looking in the wrong place.

>>156607275
you have rowed so far into the seas now, you can not even see the shores. I don't think pedalling backwards will help you

>>156607299
Are the undertones focused shows like that what people are complaining about here? These shitpost terms are hard to keep up with.

>>156580876
Yomi ;_;

>>156600426
yes

Yomi ;_;

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>>156607396
I don't think you know what back pedaling means but decided to disguise that fact through a really poor metaphor

>>156580876
Every kind of homo (yuri, yaoi, whatever mix in between) is fine with me.
But I wish there were more actually canon pairs.

>>156580876
No such thing.
It's just short lived fantasies injected into viewers to raise certain points of sales.

>>156607793
If that's what it is, then it still pretty clearly exists.

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>>156607299
So how about experimental teens in a romcom who do everything that the heterosexual designated pair do but then nothing happens so the show isn't sullied by some gay getting in?

>>156607299
That's often the case, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Have you ever actually watched Hibike?

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Yuri is love, Yuri is life

>>156607299
>There is not such a thing as "bait", you can clearly see how the anime is even before is released.
You're a fucking moron, Anonymous.