Best shonen

>>156537559
Magi and FMA are decent, HXH is overrated, incomplete and long over due

>>156537861
Magi "I must get over 50 replies"?

>no ippo
>no slam dunk
>no sports anything
what are you smoking?

>>156538015
Sports manga are not battle shonen

>>156537559
Yeah pretty much

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>>156537559
Magi>>FMA>>>>>>>HxH

>>156537559
Finally someone with good taste in /a/

>>156537559
FMA<Magi=HxH=One Piece

>>156538757
>One Piece
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>156537559
Magi wins because Alibaba is sexy.

>>156537861
What popular series hasn't been called overrated these days. The word means nothing.

>>156537559
Define "shonen". Why do people only include battle manga?

>>156538757
>One Piece

Seriously?

>>156538620
God, those designs are embarrassing.

>>156538015
They aren't battle shounen, but I give you props for good taste.

>>156539211
Read it carefully. I have specified battle shonen.

Those were the only battle shounen manga/anime I didn't drop halfway through, so I suppose they're the best in the genre.

>>156538015
Sorry but those are not battle shonen. Anyway, those are great spokon manga. Good taste.

>>156537559
tegami bachi is better than all 3 of those

one piece = hxh >>> fma >>>>>>>>>>>>rest of the crap

>>156538784
>>156539375
haha i'm being le ironic
have an upvote my friend

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was this the logical conclusion to the battle shonen genre.

Gash Bell.
Maybe YYH and HxH.
The rest is shit and should be disregarded.battle Battle shonen anime needs to have a ban that halts any future production on it.

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>>156537559
Naruto
Naruto: Shipuden
Naruto: Boruto
Datebayo!

80s delinquent battle shonens > World Trigger = HxH > FMA > One Piece > the rest
I don't remember a lot about Gash Bell or YYH because I saw those series like more than ten years ago.

>>156537559
>No Sangokushi
>No Dragon Quest: The Emblem of Roto
>No Gash Bell
>No Astro Boy
>No Trigun
>No Kekkaishi

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>>156537559
>10 year old reads shounen battle manga for the first time

The real GOATs are Hokuto no Ken, Kinnikuman and Rokudenashi Blues. Back when WSJ was undisputed the best magazine for shounen battle manga.

>>156541071
>80s delinquent battle shonens
This man knows.

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>>156541253
>tfw the Rokudenashi Blues translation is slow as fuck
I guess it's time to learn moonrunes.

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>>156541507
Or French, they love it there. It's criminal that it's not available in English given how huge it was.

>people unironically think One Piece is on the same level of HXH or FMA

>>156537559
Magi has an incredible screenplay and an exceptional world-building. Fullmetal Alchemist is a very balanced series in all respects. HxH is not well written as Magi and FMA, but it has very good fighting.

I like Gash because it managed to meld long-running with proper conclusion. Most series seem to forget the definitition of an ending.

HxH and Magi are not top 3.

why is HxH so hyped? it has some cool characters but the world building is lacking and the story so far is just a 5 arcs long adventure, in which only 2 of them are actually really good

>>156541632
One Piece doesn't even compare to FMA, but it's certainly better than HxH

>>156541632
>people unironically have opinions that I don't share
Terrifying.

>>156541945
Magi has an incredible screenplay, very well written and an exceptional world-building. Magi is in top 3.

>>156537559
is magi still good?

dropped it after all the sameface in the Solomon arc and the EXTREME MAGIC

>>156542117
>incredible screenplay,
?

>>156537559
fma is stupid

>>156542117
It would make an excellent book, yes.

However, this is manga. The characters look too similar and likely as a result of that, the storytelling became messy and convoluted. A lot of people dropped it for this reason. It's not top 3.

>>156542043
this

>people unironically think HxH is on the same level as FMA

>>156542287
>fuck body up
>look for a way to fix them
>find out the govenment is doing some sketchy shit
>stop the government

??

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>>156541071
>world trigger

>no hnk

>>156542355
I agree, FMA is quite shit in comparison, especially the ending

>>156542139
>dropped it after all the sameface in the Solomon arc and the EXTREME MAGIC
Well, that's a lot of ground to cover. Over 100 chapters. There will probably be some parts you love and other parts you won't be so keen on. I still like it. Especially after the recent developments with Alibaba.

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>>156541570
Maybe it's the lack of a decent anime adaptation. I know it had two live-actions, but gaijin aren't interested on that.
It's pretty sad, Rokudenashi Blues is a great series and it has some of the best fights on manga.

>>156542500
Alibaba is probably the main reason I'll probably pick it up again

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>>156541253
>Shonan Junai Gumi!
>Kyou kara Ore wa!!
You forgot these, anon.

>>156537861
>HxH is incomplete and long over due
it had a gratifying enough midpoint, that I'm basically fine with it being a bit meandering from here on out

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>>156542561
My man

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>>156542327
> I can not read more than one line
> so it's not a nice manga
What?

Magi would've been perfect if it had kept its' adventure vibe, too bad the chick who made it decided to place all the World Building in Sinbad no Bouken and turn the main series into her Sinbad fap material

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>>156542561
>Kyou kara Ore wa!!

Great shit.

>>156542560
Good taste.

>>156542022
HxH is fun.
It's a carefully crafted trainwreck with a great magic system and character designs.
To be honest, Togashi's writing is an adquired taste, but I enjoy his "unconventional" take on battle shonens.

>>156542500
>But I'm amazing!
Based Baba.

>>156542829
oh yeah it's fun, but it's just lots of people act like it's a masterpiece in every way when there's not much to it

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HxH is not top 3.

>>156542927
I think reather than it being a masterpiece, it's a good example of how to make a formulaic battle shounen that doesn't grow old after a couple of arcs. It just has a good sense of adventure.
The anime version is pretty tedious though with all of the exposition around the fight scenes. I had to drop it after the Greed Island Arc because it got the point where any 10seconds of action were met with 10 minutes of explaining the "nen magicks" that you couldn't see during the fight.

>>156543142
>HxH
>formulaic
What?

If we're talking anime I can back up HxH, but the art quality of the manga is too inconsistent for me to say its one of the best.

>>156542673
Clearly it's not me who can't read since you couldn't comprehend that I wasn't complaining about wordiness at all.

Too much exposition and narration is a whole other ballpark and is more of a HxH trait anyway.

>>156543427
Follows the traditional shonen formula to a T.
>Nonsense mystical powers.
>Arcs clearly defined by locations or enemies.
>Tournament Arcs
>Named attacks that are shouted.
>Main character is naive, and can only be weaker than someone if it is made clear that he has the potential to surpass them
>story designed to go on as long asthe mangaka desires, with no set ending in sight
>main character is estranged from their father

I'm more interested in how you think it isn't formulaic.

>>156542927
It's a masterpiece only when compared to other battle shounen.

>>156544001
>only battle shounen he read was the big 3 and Dragon Ball

>>156537559
FMA was literally better in the fake anime than the real thing. The whole dad god thing was stupid.

>>156544058
"Dad's former wife" thing was flawless though

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Killua is cute!

Why do HxH fags always place their "okay" series on such a massive pedestal?
What led to this widespread delusion?

>>156544058
People who prefer the 2003 ending to the FMA:B ending is one of my taste indicators.
You have good taste.

>>156544055
Literally the only magic battle shounen in the same tier as HxH is Gash Bell.
FMA went full retard on the second half.

>>156544248
go back to /r9k/ and stop crossboarding your shit memes

to answer your question though, I think it's because the manga got big in the US at a time where the biggest shows were Bleach and Naruto, and compared to those, HxH is like Shakespeare.

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>>156542560
Alibaba is the best.

>>156543830
>I'm more interested in how you think it isn't formulaic.
Because arcs don't follow a formula? Do you know what that word means?

What you listed are mostly just contrived "tropes" that often aren't played straight and trying to make them fit your narrative, such as
>Tournament Arcs
You mean arc and the characters weren't interested in the tournament in the slightest or even came close to winning it, if you can list 3 other "tournament arcs" that are similar in that fashion i'd legitimately be impressed
>Nonsense mystical powers.
Literally one of the things that defines the genre, that's like saying a sci-fi movie is formulaic because it's set in space
>Named attacks that are shouted
Why the plural again? I'll admit it's been a long time since i read HxH but as far as i remember that only applies to Gon, and it's actually one of the restrictions on his attack
>Main character is naive, and can only be weaker than someone if it is made clear that he has the potential to surpass them
He's weaker than like 99% of the cast and he's definitely not naive, i remember scenes such as the one with Pouf and Knuckle where he deduced he wasn't being honest with little information

And my favorite
>Arcs clearly defined by locations or enemies.
That's the literal definition of a story arc, what the fuck were you even thinking when you wrote this absolute mess of a post

>>156544311
Magi is better written than HxH and Gashbell.

>>156544415
I'm happy he got a qt lion waifu. He'll miss out on wizard status though.

FMA is an all around good series that's pretty consistent in quality, but I'd still say JoJo and even One Piece have better peaks despite being way more hit and miss.

>>156544562
Magi is boring as fuck fujobait with tons of pointless infodumps.

>>156544248
I really wish this was unironic, as I still have to find a manga I enjoyed on the same level of HxH and that would bring me hope for the medium to not be a complete shithole.

>>156544712
>fujobait
The only actual faggot is Judar.

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>>156537559

You're missing this jewel.

>>156544311
HxH had only two good arcs
first two were ok and the Greed Island was a fucking chore

basically the same track record as Naruto

>>156543830
Not him, but shonen that are more focused on the adventure than the fights are not that common to begin with. There are barely any one on one fights in the Hunter Exam, and the New New York arc just has one proper battle between one of the heroes and one of the villain group.

>>156544560
What I described is the formula people use to create a battle shounen.
The arcs do indeed follow their own formula as well (enemy introduction, initial setback, physical growth, victory). But quite frankly no matter what I say, you're just going to come up with some contrived argument against.
Several of the characters shout their attacks, and describe them at great detail literally in the middle of fights, if you haven't read it recently, don't talk out your ass.
HunterxHunter actually has 2 tournament arcs, not just the heavens arena. The Hunters exam is a modified tournament arc, which follows the fomrula much more closely. Taking a slightly new approach to a dormula doesn't mean it still isn't following the formula.

A formula is a collection of tropes. But you're a fucking retard, so just keep on thinking HxH is some sort of glorious pillar of shonen manga you fucking pleb.

>>156544922
>comparing HxH to a literal rip-off

Magi is so great no one reads it

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I'm a simple man, i like delinquent shit like Crows series.

>>156545015
"series Naruto took from" does not "the best battle shounen" make

quite the opposite

>>156545082
fujos read it

Gash is good but too repetitive and boring battles
I like it alot when it is a comedy series

replace Magi with Gash bell
replace HxH with FotNS

>>156545195
good taste

Early dragon ball, pretty fun adventure series with serious parts sprinkled throughout and the characters are likeable. Probably isn't the best though just my personal pick

Ping pong the animation that is all

Ushio to Tora was great, same with Gash Bell.
No wonder since Makoto Raiku was assistant to Kazuhiro Fujita

Only people who don't like one piece is the prople who never read it

>>156545386
One Piece is garbage since Punk Hazard.

>>156545354
learn to read asshole

>>156545195
Why is Gashbell better than Magi? Magi is more mature and better written, has better characters, has better designs, and deals with deeper and interesting themes.

>>156545415
No one fucking likes magi dude
What the fuck

>>156545415
see all the stuff you posted

none of it is true (well except maybe the mature part what with the tits and sex)

>>156545411
Read the last chapter released and I dare you to say it was garbage

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>>156545506
This arc is great so far, but Odacchi is going to ruin it with some retarded asspull like gear 5.

Full metal is more consistent than HxH but HxH's highs are so fucking higher than fma's

>>156545415
>Magi
>better designs than Gash

is it possible to have such pleb taste?

>>156545370
>Ushio to Tora
Is the anime good or should I read the manga? I liked Fujita's Black Museum series so I'm interested in his other work.

>>156545504
But that's all true.

>>156545543
I think they'll just get sanji and try to get the fuck out of the island

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>>156545569

>>156545656
why the fuck is Morg's older kid blonde? that's her as queen, right? aren't lion genes super strong or some shit?

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>>156545609

The 2nd part of the anime had possibly the best last boss I've seen and it actually keeps up with the manga designs.
I'd say do both.

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>>156544931
>A formula is a collection of tropes.
That's literally not what it is, look up the definition you dumb piece of shit because it only concerns the narrative
What you wrote about "(enemy introduction, initial setback, physical growth, victory)" IS a formula, except your double digit IQ didn't realize that's precisely what doesn't apply to the arcs because they don't culminate with a show off between the main protagonist and the main antagonist and when they do he doesn't necessarily win (see literally any arc except Greed Island)

PLUS they are extremely vague in the first place, you're basically trying to argue it's formulaic because it has antagonists and conflict, which is exactly the kind of pseudo intellectual garbage rhetoric you could expect from teenagers on /v/
Another example of this dumbass rhetoric is how you try to call the exam arc a conventional tournament arc when anyone with functioning brain cells can tell it isn't the case, but what you do is give vague definitions to concepts and then try to apply them to elements of the story which is probably the lowest level of discourse possible on the subject

>no coherent arguments or responding to my points, just resorting to a bombastic hyperbole and strawman as a conclusion
Ok retard, quality post once again
Even for a battle shounen thread you are an outlier in just how fucking stupid you are

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>>156545569

>>156545656
>>156545862
That looks like literal shit compared to Gash.

All of you thinking Magi is top tier...have you even been reading it the last few years? It completely went to shit

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>>156545569

>>156546029
All of the three magi fans are in this thread

I remember watching Gash as a child and thinking it was too childish. Did it just get really good or was it the anime fucking things up?

>>156545415
Has your lard ass even read gash bell? Because it really sounds like you haven't

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>>156545862
>>156545953
>>156545656

I think Gash does much much better the childish designs which in turns become completely badass(ie Kyanchome and Umagon).

Its not as edgy as>>156546051
but it his the right spot when it has to, its like battle Yotsubato.

HxH is overrated, I can't wait till togashit ends it abruptly so he doesn't have to get off his ass to draw more chapters.

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>>156546079

>>156545953
Seriously? Show me then.

>>156546184
>overrated
Has there ever been a more meaningless buzzword? Why do people like to throw it around so much when it basically means "i don't like it as much as some other people do"?

>>156546159
Umagon's fights were the shittiest
Kanchome fights were the best
The worst part of gash for me again, are the fights, but Kanchome's were so great because he was so weak and he fought only on strategy and guts

YYH.
HunterxHiatus is may or may not ever get completed.

>>156537559

Anyone who picks HxH over YYH is mentally ill.

Including the mangaka who was obviously just promoting his later work.

>>156538015
Those aren't battle shounen as others have pointed out. But who would rank Ippo highly at this point? That manga is a complere wreck.

>>156546148
I read it, though I did not finish it all. But you see immediately that it is really much simpler than Magi from the point of view of narrative and with characters much more infantile and less profound.

>>156545082
Don't worry anon. https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/156436110/#156447722
>*2.?221,579?*,221,579?Magi Vol.33
>*6.?104,513?*,104,513?Magi: Sinbad no Bouken Vol.13

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>>156545569

>>156541253
I wouldn't consider RokuBlues a battle shonen.

>>156546380
No one except pixiv fujos.

Shonen is shit, shonen is the nigger of genre

>>156546299
YYH isn't as good as Level E (if you can compare the two), let alone HxH. It's above average for sure but you can definitely tell WSJ's editors forced him to make it more predictable and generic, which is one of the reasons i think he eventually lost interest in the series.

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>>156546421

>>156542561
SJG is shit.

>>156546449
>shonen
>genre

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> MUH HYPER DETAILED CLUSTERFUCK ART

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>>156545569
>Gash
Looks like shit, this dude eyes take up about 50% of his fucking face.

>>156546464
what is it if it isn't a genre ?

>>156546494
> having a memorable style is bad
Shut the fuck up

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>>156546470
Yeah people should be more like Togashi!!

>>156537559
HxH doesnt deserve to be on that list at this point, wasting time at nothingness is as bad as wasting time at filler.

>>156546530
>memorable for the wrong reasons is good
Top kek

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>>156546258

Yeah Kyanchome was the best.
I still liked Umagon's tho, cant get out of my head that Kafka Sunbeam was Ash from Evil Dead

>>156546541
> using references is bad
And yes people should be more like togashi so I would have more manga that I love

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>>156546470
>this one autist posting cherrypicked pages from HxH for no discernable reason
Anyone can do that anon, give the old man a break.

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It's always the same fucking battle shounens people mention time and time again, read some other shit for once in your lives. Sure a lot of it might turn up being shit regardless but there's always some nice stuff here and there, and it's not just the same recent popular stuff.

>>156546462
Man, this is shit page.

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>150 posts
>no Fire Punch
This thread is full of tasteless Magi fujos

>>156546428
I don't like Magi that much but this fujo meme is getting old. There's pretty boys but to say it's fujobait is pushing it. The romances are all clearly male/female.

>>156546610
But I like the page
In fact is one of my favorites, I was implying that art shouldn't be super detailed to be good

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>>156546590
Completely agree anon.

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>>156546462

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>>156546628

Despite what it looks its one of the greatest FUCK YEAH moments.

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>>156546449
My god, there needs to some sort of test asking people what Shounen actually means before they are allowed to post on /a/.

Shounen is a not a genre, it's a demographic. Pic related is a Shounen manga. Shounen does NOT mean action/battle manga.

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All shounen get shit on by this

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I love this page too
Goddamit get out of the fucking hiatus already

>>156546715
The designs are so childish though, really off putting personally.

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>>156546700

>>156546784
God that page is lazy as fuck, one drawing with a bunch of text over the negative space. It's so obviously he's trying to draw as little a possible.

>>156546784
>watching the anime
>stellar voice acting on episode 116
>shit voice acting for this scene
Why

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>>156546462

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>>156546805

Well I guess children's comics need to be more mature amirite?

>>156546812
This page is incredible.

>>156546896
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlMHcozvioc

>>156546939
That's not what I said, not need to get offended over a comic I didn't even insult or anything.

>>156546939
Man, all the pages of Gash you put are without personality, classic, very trivial from the point of view of the layout. Magi is much more original and brave in layout the pages.

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>>156546963
It's one of my favorite pages in Magi.

>>156547114
Beautiful page. Ohtaka has also transmitted the emotions of the characters through the images, not just through words.

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>>156546330

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>>156547114
This page is also incredibly good. Very atypical and interesting from a visual point of view.

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>>156547210

Why couldn't Magi get a good anime studio? A-1 Picture is trash.

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>>156547306

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>>156547444
A-1 Pictures is terrible.

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>>156547321

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>>156547463

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So... what do you do fellow anons?

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This was the only time battle shounen actually managed to make me sympathize with one of characters.

>>156546939
Why do people like Gash Bell?
Every single character was either an autist, an unlikeable asshole or a complete cold heartless cunt. There are no good guys or "Heroes" and we're only supposed to root for the main characters because they cry a lot which means we're supposed to feel sorry for them and support them always while the more interesting villains, like Bari, Zophis, Koko and Zeno get shat on for hurting the MC's feelings. It feels like the Steven Universe of anime basically.

>>156548321
>I need a good guy self-insert
Fuck off.

>>156548368
>Implying
Nice reading comprehension.
I just said all the MC's are unlikable sociopathic cunts and the manga tries to make you root for them anyway so long as they get their way.

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>>156546494
>this dude eyes take up about 50% of his fucking face.
what about that is bad?

>>156546614
didn't care for this one that much. I'm just not a fan of the "protagonist is super strong but pretends to be a retarded goofball and hides his power level all the time" shtick. It was okay in Ruroni Kenshin, and annoying in Trigun, and worse every other time I've seen it.

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this one wasn't super good, but it was okay. Felt like Rave Master in a way - the sort of series that you'd have absolutely loved as a young teen. But I liked it more than I like most of the new series today, I guess it just felt more earnest? Instead of trying to be clever all the time and subvert everything.

Is spirit circle a shounen?
Regardless it's from the author of Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer, it's fantastic.

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>>156549170
some nice dynamic art, tho

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>>156548008
Going to sleep anon, hoping that best ant will be alive when I wake up. ;_;

>>156549191
it's not a battle shonen, that's for sure. The only "battle" that takes place is at the very end, and a little bit in the final memory. up until that point it's more about the drama, mystery, and romance.

but yeah, it's fantastic.

Ushio Tora from the 80s/90s
Gash Bell from the 00s
Sengoku Youko from the 10s

There, there's your fucking Shounen Kino Trinity

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I unironically like buddyfight

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I think I was one of the only people who was still enjoying HSDK up until the final arc made it clear we were rushing to the end. I liked the tiddy, and I liked the fights. I was always entertained.

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Baki is the purest battle shonen, prove me wrong.

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I don't care what anyone says, Hokuto no Ken is the best

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there was a time when Toriko looked like it could be the next best battle manga. But it was all downhill after Ice Hell.

speaking of smart MCs/smart fights, what are your favorite manga/anime?

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I liked kongoh banchou more than NnT

>>156549170
I think having the MC actually fight made the manga less interesting, still the art was really nice.

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>>156550361
yeah. this part was pretty cool, though I gotta admit.

Full Metal Alchemist is definately up there at the pinnacle of shonen manga.

Some other good ones I havent seen mentioned:
-Psyren
-Soul Eater (at least at some points)
-ARVGO (underrated gem)
-Shin Angyo Onshi

How do Buso Renkin and Rurouni Kenshin hold up?

>>156550878
Busou Renkin is fun as fuck, Papillon best girl.
Although trying to watch it now the beginning is difficult to get through

>>156550878
>Shin Angyo Onshi
Not a shonen

>>156548008
fug a bug

>>156544694
>complete story with zero plot holes that was planned from start to finish
>worse than writing hundreds of chapters with no clear goal and having a few good moments among piles of retarded shit
k

>>156544058
Stop posting

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>>156540958
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>>156541945
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>>156545370
>Gash Bell

This, and nice taste

>>156545119
The first arc before the plot happen is certainly repetitive, but after that it only gets better and stays at a very high bar.

>>156547619
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>>156546462
Really don't agree with your taste in pages though anon, I guess i'll dump some of my favorites

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>>156555721

last one because I don'twanna spam the thread too much

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>>156547879

fuck off with this FMA bullshit. It's a decent show but not nearly the best. Kenichi and YYH are better shounens.

>>156559248
Are you serious? They're both shit.

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>>156560831

I am convinced that anybody who thinks that FMA is the best shonen is a newfag at shonen.

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>>156537559
Magi and Fullmetal Alchemist are great. I would also include Nanatsu no Taizai and Soul Eater. Can't really care about HxH that much.

>>156561260
Nanatsu no Taizai is the usual generic shonen that does not introduce anything new in the medium. In addition, the story is trivial and simple and the characters are stereotyped.

>>156561467
>the usual generic shounen
So there was that many shounen where the main characters are regarded as the strongest from the very start and the hero is a 3000+ years old Demon? The rest of the cast are pretty original/interesting too.

>that does not introduce anything new in the medium
I don't really understand this part and what the hell it is about. The Seven Deadly Sins is pretty original. Should I hate every piece of literature that has swords because Romeo and Juliette already had them?

>In addition, the story is trivial and simple
Yeah, it's not Terra Formars, I agree. But a thought-out world and many characters with their personal storylines give it enough depth for me not to call it such.

>and the characters are stereotyped
What is so stereotypical about them? The hero looks like a kid even though he isn't, is a pervert but acts like that only to a person he has loved for the most of his life, he is left-handed, he thinks he could kill his friend if it meant saving his love, he is an alcoholic and he tends to keep some potentially vital information about himself and his past to himself even if it could cause problems with his allies.

>>156537559
I haven't read Magi, so I'd replace it with Hajime no Ippo(which is a battle shonen, fuck you, fite me) but otherwise I agree.

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>>156541071
>world trigger

>>156537559
>all these contrarian faggots shitting on HxH itt
Even if Togashi never comes back to finish it, it is already a masterpiece and one of the best manga out there not just shounen.

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Magi ruined itself from being a manga about adventuring dunegons in to a generic DBZ fest battle shounen

I don't think y'all should consider HxH hiatuses and intermissions as a part of the work. It's completely Togashi's fault, I think it's reasonable to not consider the author at all when comparing works, that's my opinion though.

Story-wise I'd say HxH has a margin over both FMA and Magi, though I haven't read the latter, FMA is pretty great too.
I don't know if it classifies strictly as a battle shonen, but Chrono Crusade was pretty good too, I personally consider it pretty similar to FMA, so I'd put it on top too.

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>>156562666
The first dungeon wasn't that much of a deep dive and the prize for conquering a dungeon was always enough power to make oneself a king/queen. And it's not really about battles either.

>>156562666
Are you serious? You probably did not understand anything about the manga, yet it's just a manga for kids

>>156537559
cant say they are best since it's quite subjective, but they are nice stuff for sure

>>156563327
Every conflict resorts to whipping out their djinn equips and having DBZ fights just like the current arc right now

>>156562406
all jelly that they couldnt make something so poorly drawn (for 99% of it) being such a success, with such a unstable rate of hiatus nontheless
also when you get your sexually ambigous furry character get his skull crushed of course you will get on the bad side of /a/

>>156563476
It's a battle Shounen, you fucking retard. Of course one of its main premises is fighting.

>>156563476
But what does it mean? In Magi fighting is just a narrative gimmick that is used to tell more. There are content in the Magi over DBZ. Fights are not prevalent. Fights are also few, very few for a battle shonen. Probably this is just so because in combat the level of power is very high, but that does not mean anything.

>>156561467

Nanatsu no Taizai would've been great if it stayed in the low key powerlevels, that shit already was ff9 tier in terms of looks but the DBZ fights ruin it IMO.

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>>156545093
Crows is like my 3rd favourite manga of all time but I wouldn't expect too many people to like it as much as I do.

Once you go past the surface value of the constant fights, it's actually really well written in places.

Also Harumichi Bouya is the best protagonist in all of manga.

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>>156537559
magi was a decent show
fma has the best story in shonen anime/manga
hxh is really overrated but still good tho
gintama is the best shonen and it's not even there
jojo is the 2nd best shonen and it's not even there

>>156542355
Well yeah HxH is better.

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>>156538015
>he forgot to mention joe !

>>156564644
FMA has objectively a script with more errors and smudges than Magi. FMA's narrative structure and world building are also much simpler and trivial than those of Magi.

>>156564644
Jojo isn't shonen anymore
Gintama is not very funny so shit

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I enjoyed this a lot when I first read it.

Maybe it's time to actually see how it holds today

>>156565536
People like to bring up the serious parts of the show and Gintoki's Discount Wise Samurai quotes

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>>156542409
Getter Robo > everything in OP

>>156549046
>"protagonist is super strong but pretends to be a retarded goofball and hides his power level all the time"

You sure you read it? Because that's not how the protagonist is at all because for the most part he's not that strong compared to others. The only thing he hides is how good of a tactician and strategist he is. And it's not like it goes forever, everyone becomes well aware of how cunning he is.

>>156542409
B-but World Trigger is fucking great.

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>>156549735
ass bump

>>156565987
I read this years ago and I still have most of the volumes. I think it was pretty good? I remember wondering some years ago why it didn't get an anime, is there an actual reason for that or it's just that nobody remembers it/it wasn't that good?

>>156567678

I don't know, honestly. It ended just when it had to, too. Maybe just nobody remembers

>>156567197
I think that image is in agreement

I wish Muhyo and Rohji had the whole thing scanned properly, I think a lot more people would appreciate it if so. Read the whole series as it was available at the library and it was pretty great.

>>156568402
I don't know, it looks like a triple smug attack.

>>156537559
>magi
its decent but not that great

hxh, one piece, and fma-b are objective the best battle shonen, prove me wrong

>>156569527
one piece has been shit since the timeskip

>>156569527
2003 > Brotherhood

>>156546092
Haven't seen the anime but I heard it's shit compared to the manga.

>no Rurouni kenshin
>no Kinnikuman
>no Saint Seiya
>fucking Magi and Hiatus x Hiatus
get off my board.

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>>156538784
>>156539375


>le One Piece is bad meme

Get mad and stay mad fuckboi.

>>156570044
Punk Hazard and Dressrosa were fucking awful, even for shounen standards.
Fuck off, OPbabby.

>>156569527
OP has been dogshit for years.

>>156570044
>liking One Piece past the time-skip
wew

>>156570129

>Zou
>Cake Island
>First half of Dressrosa

Not my fault you got shit taste. Sure, nothing post-timeskip has been better than the best pre-timeskip arc but there's been some serious progress.

>>156570102

>Punk Hazard

I agree this was the most shit arc since Impel Down.

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>>156570122

>>156570284
Leave this board.

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>>156544926
>but shonen that are more focused on the adventure than the fights are not that common to begin with

>>156545848
>>156544560
>It's a HxHfag makes a jackass of himself episode

>>156562209
>So there was that many shounen where the main characters are regarded as the strongest from the very start
Actually there is. You're just very new. Also
>NnT
>original
Kek

one piece is the goat shounen, accept it.

>>156570560
Nice counterexamples, sure told me.

Does Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer count? Because if so, it'd be my number one. Otherwise, Soul Eater, Project ARMS, Stardust Crusaders and Psyren take the crown for me.

>>156564669
ippo >>>>>> some shitty relic from the past

>>156569821
>>156570122
>>156570129
i was gonna say first half of one piece desu but i didn't wanna set myself up for that

i miss old one piece

>>156570044
Dubs confirms One Piece is the best, only trips or more can say otherwise

>>156572174
>Project ARMS
Really liked the anime but never read manga, is it better than the anime? I know the anime changed events and characters like how they went to Area 51.

>>156563327
>manga for kids

Shounen isn't a genre.

It's funny how people exalt FMA and HxH and talk shit about OP, Naruto, BnHA, Nanatsu, etc. Let's remember that FMA was from a monthly magazine without so much concern for audience and time. Let's remember that HxH is from a renowned author, with total creative freedom and without much concern for audience and time.

>>156561260
its shit

>>156572565
i'm an ippofag but stop shitting about joe and you haven't even watched it yet ! at least it ended perfectly , ippo will never end and i can tell that the rest of the story is going down hell after the anime ended

>ctrl + f
>no Shaman King

You are all full of shit.

>>156574343
I've read it till Joe met Rikishi in the prison, and it's not interesting at all.

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>>156574999
i watched the anime recently and i know your feelings . i bet you think joe is one of the most annoying characters in anime history . just keep with it he has the best character development in anime history also don't forget that joe is a manly drama and ippo is a manly sport anime infact joe kinda sucks as a sport series (it has some great fights tho )

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Where does Dragon Ball fit in all of this?

>>156575412
I remember there was an Ippo game with Joe as a guest character, and they input all their stats and stuff at the time and Ippo would win like 9 times out of 10.
Joe isn't a boxer, he's a self-destructive fighter who happens to use boxing as an outlet. Nothing wrong with that, but yeah, going into it with the mindset of a regular sports series will leave you wanting something more.

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>>156576105

Dragon ball has transcended into a tier of its own.

>>156572174
>Stardust Crusaders
>best shonen
that's a surprisingly hot take, but I'm with you.

>>156572565
>implying babby's first sports manga is better than literally the best manga ever written

You're an idiot.

>>156572174
holy mother of shit taste batman

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The only one deserving the title of best shounen is pic related. And in many ways it's also seinen, because there's plenty of feels in it that shounen demographic will never be able to relate to.
It's the definitive shounen manga and also the definitive MANime.

It also influenced the entire genre for years to come and you can see its influences to this very day.

Anyone disputing this is either uneducated, underage, completely retarded or all of these at once.

>>156571062
>The most popular manga in the world is an Adventure Title

Are you done being stupid?

Can we agree on

HXH=FMA=(Stuff I haven't seen But I know its out there) > General Shonen quality > Bleach Power gap >>>>> Fairy Tail

>>156537559
>magi
Jesus at least try next time

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>>156574080
>Let's remember that FMA was from a monthly magazine without so much concern for audience and time.
So is this. What's your point?

>>156579460
>HxH > FMA
Fixed that for you.

is Nanatsu really that good? i've only heard praise for it.

>>156579466
Magi = FMA > HxH >>>>>>> generic shonen > shit

HxH, One Piece and World Trigger

anything else is wrong sorry

>>156549761

this guy knows

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>>156579878
>Magi = FMA

you fucking people.

>All these fucking underage ITT listing trash like HxH or Fairy Tail
Jesus christ. I knew this board was lost but if you ever needed concrete evidence, this thread is it.

>>156570038
>no Saint Seiya

I enjoy saint seiya a lot but don't kid yourself, it's completely exemplary of every flaw that people have with battle shonens with almost no deviation from them.

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>>156537559
Magi >>> FMA = Tegami Bachi = Gashbell >>>>> HxH >>> other shonen

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>>156579967
>One Piece
>World Trigger

How could Ohtaka fuck up that much with Magi?

This thread is the definition of underage.

>>156580330
ree

>>156579407
One Piece? Okay, you named one. Is that it? Being popular doesn't make it count for more. Even the most blatant OP ripoff like Fairy Tail isn't really an adventure title.

And anyway, any of One Piece's arcs has way more fights than those HxH ones I mentioned. Pretty much every OP arc ends with most of the Straw Hats getting one on one fights, so I don't know how you can say it's not fight focused. If HxH followed the Oda formula, York Shin would have ended with the 4 heroes fighting the Phantom Troupe members.

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>>156538796
>magi wins because of alibaba suffering
there, I fix'd it for ya

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>>156579967
>HxH
>World Trigger
Great taste, friendo.

>>156580501
But that's outdated.

>>156580470
OP is considered adventure shounen because the fights are fucking awful.

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Can we atleast agree that this is the worst shonen in history?
>Tfw I actually finished it
what the fuck was wrong with me.

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>>156580547
Yeah, here's the updated one.

>>156579685
I'm not saying that having more time and being in an alternative magazine will automatically make the series better, I'm saying it's unfair to compare these two titles with titles that clearly have more restrictions. Or do you really think that if it were published in the WSJ, FMA would be so well written?

>>156580501
When S3??

>>156580501
you and I both know he's getting lion pussy before the ending.

Why people keep overestimating World Trigger is a mystery to me. The characterization is extremely poor. There are virtually no stakes. The sameface syndrome is striking. The plot never advances. To sum up: lifeless series.
>But muh strategy
>But muh anti-friendship power

>>156580820
How is possible that Magi to be so well written if it leaves a chapter a week? Are there more people working on the script? Most weekly manga sucks because of short time schedules.

>>156580729
Fuck Reborn. I'm so pissed that the writer decided to flush almost all development down the drain every arc.
>Have powerful wizard battles involving time-travel, mini black holes, and getting shot in the face
>Control the most powerful mafia in the world and have your closest friends (who would die for you) have hax wizard mafia powers
>Still get bullied at school and sperg out when thinking about his crush
Fuck Tsuna

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>>156580987
I give it an 8/10. the art is also nice.

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what went wrong?

>>156580987
The fights are 11/10 and the art is above-average.

>>156581215
Hiatuses, author changing art styles, messy storytelling, and multiple changes to publication.

>>156581215
>H.iatus-Man

>>156580470
>One Piece? Okay, you named one. Is that it?
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?genre=Adventure_Fantasy_Shounen&exclude_genre=Adult_Doujinshi_Drama_Ecchi_Gender%2BBender_Harem_Hentai_Historical_Horror_Josei_Lolicon_Mature_Mecha_Mystery_Psychological_Romance_School%2BLife_Sci-fi_Seinen_Shotacon_Shoujo_Shoujo%2BAi_Shounen%2BAi_Slice%2Bof%2BLife_Smut_Sports_Supernatural_Tragedy_Yaoi_Yuri&perpage=50

You can shut up now

Also HxH has a fight in every single arc, has several arcs dedicated to nothing but fights and there's always a fight by the end of it meanwhile Beat the Vander Buster and Dragon Quest Dai would have arcs with no fights whatsoever and is mostly just characters exploring. The notion that having fights doesn't make a manga an adventure series is fucking ridiculous since all the classic adventure stories like Treasure Island had fights in them. Also HxH is a battle shounen not an adventure one the very fact that it has an intricate fighting system and had an arc dedicated to explaining the mechanics is proof enough whereas in OP there's no actual focus on the fighting or how powers work.

>>156581037
>Magi to be so well written
>Magi
>well-written

>>156581659
Yes.

>>156581617
>Also HxH has a fight in every single arc
Rescue Killua doesn't. Unless you count Gon getting beat up by a black girl without fighting back.

>>156581617
>The notion that having fights doesn't make a manga an adventure series is fucking ridiculous since all the classic adventure stories like Treasure Island had fights in them.
Were those almost exclusively one-on-one fights?

>>156582375
Does it matter?

>>156541189
>No Sangokushi
this is shonen? even if it's shonen, can you consider it a battle manga? it's more of a strategic thingy
>No Dragon Quest: The Emblem of Roto
this is licensed in my country but it's not in the English speaking countries and it's not scanlated as well so it's great I agree, but no one here have read it
>No Gash Bell
everything aboy this have been said already
>No Astro Boy
this is kinda episodic also, some stories are good and some are bad
>No Trigun
huh, this is shonen? you learn something new every day
pretty cool manga anyway
>No Kekkaishi
Meh, Birdmen is better, it has the same issues as Astro boy, too many weak arcs and disappointing resolutions

Adventure of Sinbad > Labyrinth of Magic

>>156583133
No.