Genderswapping historical figures

>>156504130
Diverse set of "thing" but depicted as cute grills

W H O
W O U L D
T H I N K
O F
T H A T ? ? ?

>>156504130
Isn't that Romance of three kingdom VN did it first?

>>156504308
Koihime Musou? Ikki Tousen came before that so it can't be the first, though Ikki is reincarnation and not just genderswapping.

>>156504130
I don't know but I know I enjoy it a lot especially the way it triggers the fuck out of /his/ and /pol/ faggots.

Also showcase how the writer and directors focus on viewer fun and enjoyment rather than pointless garbage when it is already indicated as fiction.

>>156504391
>but I know I enjoy it a lot
You should. It's a good anime no matter the underlying/ non exist problem.

>>156504130
This show was fucking shit, disgrace to Nobunaga Oda

>>156504130
Whoever started this trend is too good for this world.

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Oda Nobunaga and Okita Souji

>>156504130
Novels have done this way before anime

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>>156504391
Why would /his/ be mad? Shouldn't people getting interested in history be a good thing.
>>156504473
Aye. I wonder who started it.

I wouldn't be surprised if it had been common in female oriented stuff

>>156504768
Contrary to popular belief, females actually prefer stuff with cool male characters.

>>156504571
Which novels in particular?

>>156504768
Not really, most historical stuff aim or made by female are usually romance with historical figures.

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>>156504683
>Why would /his/ be mad? Shouldn't people getting interested in history be a good thing.

This is the stuff that triggers /his/
Nobunaga and his wife Jeanne D'Arc

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I like this trend.

>>156504912
Ah, I'd be mad too. Himiko should've won goddammit.

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You know, stuff like these are too complicated. Why can't we just have a simple orient/imperial style world and if there is something along the lines of a harem, it would be about concubines/wives involved in their politics?

>>156504912
Hey, at least it's better than Sieg and Jeanne.

>>156505005
Court politics aren't often simple either, are they?

>>156505144
It's simple idea. Ruin other wives, look for "accidents", make "requests", target their children. Nasty business, but at least the the harem itself makes sense or numerous amounts of women. You have admit it is very intriguing itself.

>>156504895
The idea that Uesugi Kenshin was female comes from a novel written by Yagiri Tomeo.

>>156504130
I blame Rance as the earliest for popularizing the use of gender-bender historical figures in works of fiction.
SMT use historical and fictional figures but they don't do gender bender.

>>156504130
It's always men who become 2d women. Are there any women that became a 2d man?

>>156505239
That's a case where a single character has a secret gender-identity. The modern-day historical genderflipping is one in which the whole cast of historical figures is depicted as the opposite gender and this is accepted as a norm in the fictional universe, not as a secret.

>>156505229
But then you get things like alliances, social status, shifting goals, interpersonal relationships and then actually executing those things and suddenly a simple idea becomes complex. The idea is undoubtedly interesting but it wouldn't be any less complicated than something on a grander scale. Done properly there could reasonably be even more nuances than a civil war.

>>156505239
Was it from a novel? I thought it was just folktale.

>>156505316
I thought I was arguing that gender-bending history in itself is complicated/contrived compared to politics of harem but that works too.

Is there a western example to this trope?

>>156505289
Arguably, Oda Nobuna's little brother is an amalgamation of several historical figures one of whom was a woman.

>>156505289
Koihime got two of that; Diao Chan and Himiko.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4865542116/

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>>156505433
no, if westerners want important female figures they use existing once, not turning men into women

>>156505336
There was a novel, but folktale may even predate that.

>>156505304
Well, the idea needs to start somewhere.

>>156505587
They turned Caesar into a girl, maybe at least it will make Japs appreciate ancient western culture
>Roman hero Caesar is a big tits and covered with debt
I guess we will have no Caesar's actual accomplishments in anime, fuck NEETS, their ruin both anime and history

>>156505587
People often forget that half the reason Julius Caesar ran for consul and then ran off to conquer Gaul was to escape murderous creditors coming for him to get him to repay the money they loaned him. It's little things like this that make genderbend history anime fun.

>>156505791
The real Caesar was definitely covered in debt, that's why he needed Crassus (the Scrooge McDuck of Rome) as well as the office of consul to keep the moneylenders off his back.

>>156505587
I swear, I've seen this in an LN thread somewhere.

>>156505904
It was only published like last week though.

>>156505791
This post is why nobody take anyone from /pol/ or /his/ seriously.
Majority of them have never actually read actual non-fiction history books and mostly just roleplay being descendants from important families which naturally would be awesome people in ancient settings, instead of the pathetic losers they now are.

/his/ don't care for actual historical facts, only the fictions that suck their dicks for the day.

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>>156505587
I can't believe it. What is Japan gonna do, reverse gender Atilla?

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>>156505985
Fate is way ahead of you.

>>156505587
Based, when is the anime

>>156504130
Maybe Keisei suikoden is the origin of that trend.

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>>156505985
yeah

>>156504130
Whatever it is I fucking despise it.

>>156505968
/his/ turned out be exactly what everyone feared it would be, which is /pol/ 2.0. At least in /a/, people actually watch anime and read manga. In /his/, most people get their history from wikipedia and youtube.

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>>156504130
Reminds me of this.

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>>156504463
An eroge did a much better job.

>>156504130
A Japanese version of the Chinese classic novel Water Margin was published in the 1820s where all the characters were genderswapped. So this trend is close to 200 years old.

Genderbended Napoleonic war when?

>>156507744
One that Oba Nobunga wins by pegging all the generals from both sides?

>>156504768
Female oriented stuff would be fujoshit sausagefest, generally.

>George Washington has never been genderswapped.
This is good. Nips know their place.

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>>156510323
>tfw you will never make George Washington.your submissive General wife.

>>156506713
Peculiar choice for swimwear

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>>156504130
Caesar is next.

>>156506036
Ayy lmao

>>156504391
The idea you have that /pol/ would be mad about this kind of stuff, much less care at all, suggests you are a dumb faggot who is way too obsessed with them.

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>>156512165
You seems butt-flustered.
Do you want to share with the class where did big bad /a/ hurt you?

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genderswap when

>>156506036
Personally the gender bending used to be nice and interestimg at first, but now it's just tacky and annoying. Especially with constantly making famous leaders of the world moe-blob lewd lolis. I don't know about you guys but that's just annoying and kind of insulting

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>>156512379
>Thread unrelated to /pol/
>"Fuck /pol/"
>"Why would this be related to /pol/?"
>"buttflustered xD?"

Tell that phoneposted class being confused and hurting aren't the same thing.

>>156512672
>Not liking moe-blob lewd loli
Where do you think you are. Joking aside, aye, genderbending historical figures is the most fun when it's not just a cute character with historical name strap to it, but actually have reference to the history and traits that made the person historical.

>>156510428
I'd rather Ben Franklin

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>>156513029
>this type of writing
>this anal devastation
Keep at it, burger and one day, we too will believe that you are totally not a burger in the weekly GATE thread.

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>>156504130
what about the fuccboization?
this is what Pasha in Ottoman empire looks like according to japs

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>>156513999
Have another Arthur.

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>>156514074

>>156504463
it was ok, I have seen worse. it was more a fast run down of all big events instead of any story

>>156514074
Is this Eiyuu Senki?

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>>156514074
Ivan's better.
>>156514502
Aye.

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>>156513902
I'm just typing normally, I'm not sure why you're so adamant I'd be mad about something. Also I'm Australian and have never even watched GATE. You a leaf or something?

All it is is that bringing up that you think a historical genderswap would "trigger the fuck out of /his/ and /pol/ faggots" out of nowhere, despite it being laughable that either of those boards would even care, just indicates to me and anyone else that you're pretty perma-mad about /pol/ bud.

And /his/ too, for whatever reason.

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>>156505968
>Majority of them have never actually read actual non-fiction history books
>But I, anon from /a/ know better than them

I love the samurai in this <3

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>>156505968

>>156504463
Agreed.